Watch Expert Can't Spot Fake Super Clone Rolex Submariner || REAL VS FAKE Watches || CRM Jewelers
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2023
- Client gets screwed from buying a Richard Mille and loses $380k. Charlie and Carlos explain what to look for on a Rolex submariner super clone. They end up fooling a watch expert due to how real the clone Rolex looks.
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igrotum is the only replica factory that sells and manufactures their watches themselves also have original serial numbers. That's why they are the best
When a fake watch worth 500 bucks needs almost half dozen of specialists to check if it’s real, it means the real ones needs to up their game, by dropping prices so people can buy the original ones.
Exactly
That's not how Rolex works. Firstly, no Rolex is worth the money, they are prices as they are by slick marketing.
If you want say a sports model there's a waiting list. You go on the waiting list for probably a year or two.
If you're a "good customer" you can jump the queue. You can become a good customer by buying some other Rolex products that don't sell very well.
I collect watches, I have 120 and I don't have any Rolex. They are the low end of the quality watch market.
I see Rolex and I think of drug dealers, gangsters and people you are likely to find in a lapdancing club😂.
Or people who suddenly got some money and have no taste.
In my opinion a far better watch for less money is a Seiko spring drive.
Exactly.
Where was this clone bought
@@hugostiglitz6914interesting take. I have a few Rolexes and my dad was a big watch collector, he was not a gangster or anything bad. He was proud. That being said, he still wore more $500 watches even though he had one of one watches over a quarter million. An example is the citizen blue angels watch, as my dad was in the Air Force and loved top gun, so the blue angels were special to him, plus I saw them a few times at air shows and my dad flew our plane, he was hoping they came out with a thunderbirds edition, but they never did and he died years ago. I wear that citizen a lot because I can look at it and have a tear run down my cheek, one that’s full of emotion. But the watches I wear the most are fairly low key, like Piaget and Roger Dubois and Ulysse Nardin. Only people into watches can appreciate them. I also wear some royal oaks and nautilus. I hardly ever wear my Apple Watch ultra, but I do when I go hiking and climbing. I’m quite the peculiar fellow, but I collect knives and pens more than watches. I even have more guitar picks than I’d like to admit, as well as yo-yos. I’m kind of a shopaholic and I used to be much worse, now I’m more tame and I credit it to
Jesus as He desires me to withdrawal myself from this material world
primerolexio has best cloonees
What I learned from this is no Rolex is worth more than $2k. Because that is how much it costs to make an almost indistinguishable copy.
Watch dealers aren’t experts. Not even close. Watch and movement repair are where the experts are
Good content keep em coming
swissarex is est dealer for replica watches
holy shit how many replica site bot comments are here, like 99%
😂Swiserex watches exceeded my expectations
As long as Rolex watches are only available on the secondary market I won’t be buying any. Jerks selling watches for more than retail aren’t going to get my money. Everyone says you’re not buying the watch you’re buying the seller. I didn’t understand what they meant until I read about all the scammers in the watch market. I’d go to prison over someone cheating me out of $20-$30k, I know me. I’ll just spend the 600 quid and keep the other $29,400 in my pocket. In a couple of years the Rolex experts won’t be able to feel the subtle differences in the band, they’ll expect them because the band will have a couple of years of wear. They’ll still be able to tell. All they’ll need is another Rolex in the same model and a microscope to tell the difference.
they are making 1:1 fakes with replica movements too, even using some genuine rolex internals. matching serials, etc. for 1200 bucks... insane.
Its for that its smart to never spend too money in steel watch !!! Pure gold oki...... a new like smurff ok... or an old president ok..... but a steel tool watch ovef 1000$ are allways too expensive
500$ no more YOU HAVE A DAYTO FOR YOUR BOSS ...NEIGHBOURS.. GIRLS IN RSTAURANT...BUT AT OPPENING CASE EXPERT OR WATCHE LOVER SPOT IT... ITS A PERSONAL PURCHASE WITHOUT BAD INTENTIONS. BUT 1200$ are dangerous because crooks buy them for spolied passionate... its garbage behaviour. REPLICAS OK IF YOU CAN SPOT IT IMMEDIATLY IN OPPEN BACK.... I CAN CREATE A PERFECT COUNTACH OR DIABLO BUT NOT WITH DIABLO PAPERS... BUY A FAKE FOR SAVING $$$ its good..... but buy a fake for crook collectionnors IS A CRIME
They're not 1200, best ones are VSFs at below 600$
@@appleratpipe since 2022 yes 600$
and for 300 exist perfect clone except internal (with however a reliable seagul mov )
people who work for swissarex are posting here.
All the time,the ones who say that this site is best ,or that site is best are total scammers
The sound of the clasp and bezel sound different? For 500$ I can live with that!
There's a pretty big difference on how a gen clasp can feel due to wear, and slight changes in it's curvature form getting sat on in a pocket, etc.
If he was buying the watch, he would look at it through a loop. Also these guys trusted you to give them a real watch.
You're probably right, but I guess the point is that if a watch dealer is fooled by a cursory visual examination, what chance does the guy sitting next to you at the bar have in knowing you're wearing a fake?
Some dealers will tell you the watch is good to go even if they know it's fake. They don't want to be caught up in the middle of who you got scammed by.
well youd eserve to be scammed if you cant spot a fake watchhh,, emnas you are blind to watch quality..
@anteneupitra while I agree with you. I've seen 2 super clone watches side by side of the authentic versions. An when they say "super" clone. They mean it. It's not the $100-$200 canal street watch that's very obvious.
@@truthistruth4186 just super garbage
The sad thing is a real rolex sub only costs them 1500 to make. Its just they upsale it to 10k...
I would like to see them find it´s fake without having an original by their sides...That´s the hole point. Having an a/b test makes it too easy.
There is $600 clones that have replica movements and you can only tell because the finishing on the inside isn't perfect and they don't have the Platinum coloring for the ceramic they just use paint
Accidentally admits he shops for fake watches.
It took my local AD 1 hour to figure out the new super fake. They had to get a known real one to compare.
Where did you buy from .I have one coming.
I have seen a superclone daytona and oh man it is freaking close.
Do you think these clones will eventually lower genuine Rolex prices?
Vietnam sub case with gen dial, bezel, hands. After market bracelet. With swiss movement runs about 3k vs 8k watch. 1 to q
So you don't like very convincing super clones, but you like very unconvincing fake teeth?
Good point. A lot of women will recognize a Rolex…for what it represents. If a guy only uses it to look like he’s in the game…then he’s fooling her with the clone…..with his teeth veneers as well as the plugs in his hair. If this is to have some fun in Vegas or wherever…the Rolex will easily complete the package. If..on the other hand…you then take it home and use it daily…yeah it might bother me that it’s a fake..more and more each day.
I'm getting coked out vibes from this guy
Love my super clone when I'm traveling and when I'm home I wear my authentic 126610. The super clones are crazy good now and come with papers!!
Does the paper work for the clone look “identical” to the genuine Rolex?
Where did you buy it ?
@@timepiecevideosthere is no paperwork lol, you can get warranty cards with matching serial, but who cares about that
Where can we buy one??
Crazy how some plastic and glass can be worth more hundred of thousands & real gold pieces aren’t . I know it’s just the name that makes them expensive but when will we learn ? I know they gain crazy value but it’s just insane to me lol
I'd love to know how many people are buying clones actually believing that they are real. I don't see a problem if people know what they are buying but $380k for a fake that can easily be spotted makes me think that a lot change hands for big money...
These super clones ARE NOT easily spotted though and THAT'S the problem. There are a few videos on RUclips about how to spot the fakes but they're that good they need the real one has to be side by side to compare. No money has changed hands,the super clone fooled the experts. Some of these super clones are $1000 so they're not exactly cheap themselves
Very easy to spot them. If you own or owned a real one its really easy.
@@stellauniversal NO IT'S NOT,you've OBVIOUSLY never seen a super clone, they're not cheap knock offs you get in a market ,these are $500 ~ $1000 and are almost perfect. Even watch experts can't tell the difference unless they have them side by side and have a lens to really be able to look close.
There's almost a negative chance that dude paid 350k euros for an RM and didn't know it was fake. He definitely knew. If you are buying a gen watch even $7k and up, you are getting it authenticated. Anywhere close to RM bubba watson money, you are meeting at the AD/jeweller, having espresso with the seller, talking watches, etc. Nobody with 350k to drop on a watch is going to just buy it from some person online and having it FedEx'd to their house lol. These people also usually have related social circles, so you would be outed and ostracized if you sold a fake to a friend in, say, a private deal based off trust.
The only way someone would buy a fake RM listed for 350k without getting it authenticated first is some sheik who buys it sight unseen and got a really elaborate bait and switch, or you're washing money and already a big enough criminal that you definitely wouldn't want to be on camera. You literally can't even list a watch like that without raising flags.
Clones/fakes $5k and under might fly under the radar and there's a lot more of those being sold as gens for sure, but nowadays most people paying that amount for a watch would take the free precaution of meeting at a jeweller or AD anyways. Will people still get tricked? You know what they say- a fool and his money are easily parted. But more often than not, it's extremely difficult to flip fakes like that
@@stellauniversal yeah, if you're side by side with a real one, 99% of people couldn't spot a fake if you've got nothing to compare it too.
The Clone is so much better value than an original. And probably more rare.
Just as fake as the teeth in his mouth but they still work
See how he DIDN'T compare the RM to the proper model 🤔
It must be THAT close to identical
Where are these from?
I have found a very easy tell even on the super clone, shake the watch and u will hear the rotor spinning.
@timeoiece where do I even buy the super clone, I want to check it out
Rolex expert google it. Super clones for 500-800 clean reps for 300
I will say something extremely controversial here... The superclones nowadays have become so good that AD and jewelers cannot tell the difference. And we clearly see here in this video, takes a dozen of specialists to finally identify the fakes.. let alone the superclones.... Only watchmakers can... now here's the question that we should ask ourselves: Do those tiny little details difference between the genuine and superclone justify the 10-20x price difference? =/
Exactly.
The replica had more titanium than the original, and that dude said it's steel so theres that
They are still off. I’m pretty deep into the replica rabbit-hole and:
1) none of the movements are even close to having the same finish quality as gen
2) the bezels always feel different
3) many can also immediately be identified by the cloudy crystal or bad AR coating on the cyclops
This watch in the video is probably a VSF Submariner with a custom bezel and a gen xtal installed. From the outside it really is almost indistinguishable then.
However if they open the watch then the replica can be spotted immediately.
The superclones *mimic* the quality of the originals, but they don't come close to equaling the quality. Put a superclone on a timegrapher and you'll see the clone movement doesn't come close in mimicing the precision of the movement. Does a few seconds a day matter? No, but people who own originals get satisfaction knowing they own a true piece of superb machining. People who buy clones enjoy having other people think they can afford the original.
@@ohger1 okay I agree on everything except for the timegrapher and outer finish. A good VSF with proper quality control (which is a hit or miss unfortunately) has polishing etc that is almost identical to gen - except for the bezel feel.
And yes, while the movements are nowhere as nicely milled and finished as the gen calibers, the good ones are easily adjustable to COSC spec. (But that is exclusive to the $400 and upwards replicas)
I have seen several forum posts where good dandong movement clones were regulated to +-0sec of accuracy in 5 positions with a beat error of 0.0ms.
compare the new superclones, they've got an insane clone 55 right now.
where do people all these fakes from? Reason I ask is because I have never seen a store sell fake watches.
Dhgate
Super clones haha we dem boys lol
Guy works with high dollar watches and doesn't know what the platinum group metals are. I'm not convinced he knows what he's talking about.
When he said he has to open it only proved he was uncertain if the watch is real.
There are rumors that igrotum has the Rolex database of serial numbers and sells replicas with the same serial numbers as the originals
mientras los precios los sigan inflando la clase media se le hace difícil comprar un rolex original asi que compran estos clones que por cierto hacen la misma función h duran como uno original y lo mejor que si se daña la maquinaria consigas uno nueva por 100 dólares asi que vale la pena es rodiculo comprar un relog en stanley’s steel por 10000 dólares cuando por 500 tienes uno idéntico el costo original de un rolex steel son algunos 2000 dólares en contumelies así que rolex le gana el triple y los ursureos le ganan cuatro veses mas
Expert ??!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They haven’t got a clue in 5yrs the clones will be to hard to spot😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂haha
So you could spend 13,000 vs500 and the only difference is the sound of the bezel and the click of the clasp that's crazy
I could live with that.
Slow the camera down so we can see what you are really trying to show!
the reality is, you only know the fake ones you can spot some flaws. In the end of the day, if the business is to pretend to be a real piece, you only get the failed ones, not necessarily all the fake ones. Maybe, no one can spot a perfect replica... who knows
Something about that shop (white t-shirts, high fiving) makes me think this is exactly the kind of place that would sell counterfeits. I dunno.
If he can't spot a clone, then he's not a watch expert is he.....
You gotta love Miami!
Can some1 recommend a good and reliable (paypal is a must) site to browse superfakes? I am not gonna pay a car’s worth for a piece of steel that has a certain name on it.
Ziarex must be stopped at all costs. People are losing money since their mega clone watches started to be sold as originals on the aftermarket.
Paying $380k for a watch thinking its real and then knowing you were sold a fake one worth $500 bucks would awaken the evilest of the monsters out of me ready to do things the devil himself would piss himself if he knew.
Does this mean you can fool customers into selling fakes, or does it mean you are legit?...
there getting better and better might as well colp a fake and a real these days...
You’re not joking. It’s getting wild with these super clone/frankensteins
@@timepiecevideos imagine when they watch this video and change the bracelet you can take them into a busy diamond district and not hassle to much sell 4 for over 100k and bounce 😊
In the end, a new era of watches has come. Some illegal company from EU started making mega clones called ziarex. Basically, what they are doing is buying original parts from workers in Rolex who flag that part as damaged and sell them. But thats not the
he would buy it for $150 but resell it to a dummy for 30k
Well nobody bothers nowadays to even look at a Rolex. Just open it and the movement gives it away.
I find it interestting that everyon e in this video is either not wearing a watch, or they are wearing an Apple watch.
A guy from Rolex stole their database and is now selling his own mega clone watches called Ziarex. This story is crazy. We need to ban this idiot.
That close the band shit don’t work they use exact components on some of the clones
I have like 9 of these😅😅😅
I think there is more money to be made in the super clones side of watches😂what are the profit margins on flipping originals.
So what did we learn. If you want to "fool" the expert buy new hands, bezel and dial maybe swap out the Some of the inner parts send it out to get polished. Pay a real professional to work out the flaws.
igrotum is the only replica manufacturer that has stock in the US and EU
Tutti bravi a comparare😂
Buy Rolex Pre-owned and certified. Screw the grey market with its one in five fakes circulating. So many flippers and just imagine how many fakes are circulating.
Swissarex is advertising in the comments and buying like/engagement, that makes me extremely skeptical
Reason why a rep is better than gen
Why buy a real watch when you can't tell the difference
There are over 1 million fake watches in the uk alone.
The only replica factory that produces and sells their watches in Europe and the United States is igrotum
More Titanium in the super clone clasp than the real RM clasp !!
Once you open a Rolex even a simpleton can identify fake or gen. Every Rolex mechanical is free sprung NO clone is. A quick glance at the balance bridge tells all
Its funny when he cant see the difference between 116 and 126 and manage to find out something weird about the watch.. video is scripted
Carlos
The guy in the blue shirt and the guy in the white shirt are clueless on that watch
The guy with the Covid 23 mask doesn’t even know if it’s. 12660 or 11660
Lmfao
You should never call that guy in your shop ever again and ask him about any of your watches
And supposedly he’s a watch dealer
LMAO
Best regards
I have been getting into Rolexes for 2 weeks now after buying a fake and now wanting to buy a real one. Even I know after 2 weeks now the difference between a 116610 and a 126610 lol…..
Those you have are most of them $500 clone’s watches. If you see today some SUPER CLONE $1,500-2,500 you would NEVER NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE. And it is absolutely RIDICULOUS that they charge you 2-3 MILLION DOLLAR for a watch that is EXACTLY THE SAME as the SUPER CLONE.
A SMART GUY WONT PAY MORE FOR THE SAME PRODUCT - that’s the way rich people THINK.
Where can I buy this replica(for research purpuses)?
Why not buy it to tell the time?
a lot of people are wearing fake watches these days, as its near impossible to get a real watch , super clones are getting better and better and very few people can tell the difference. Anyway , its just a watch .....
Cancel ziarex and mega clone watches. They are destroying the whole community of original watches and becoming a threat to the economy and dignity of Rolex.
The watch in that video cant hold a candle to a ziarex. ziarex sets the gold standard.
They aren’t comparing a legit watch to some “superclone”. All these glaring differences and nobody but these dudes noticed? Riiiggggght.
Yeah riigghht?
Some Superclones are that good that you can only tell them apart when comparing them A/B to a Genuine watch sat next to it. Or to start taking it appart. Even then the differences are subtle. Narly screws and rough edges and finish which are only apparant under a x10 loop.
As the movements are cloned you can bet that more than a few of the owners of these watchs. have had some genuine parts fitted on the movement by a "friendly" watchmaker to make it even more difficult to spot.
I suspect that the jewellers who said "Good to go" looked at the watch in their hand over the counter of their shop. Especially if they haven't seen that specific model or don't have one to compare. And especially if they aren't keeping up with the latest fakes. To spot a fake (anything) you need to be suspicious of it to begin with.
The idea of a fake is to fool.
If you're making fakes to fool you will address all the known giveaways first.
And just like works of art they can be that good that only a handful of experts can spot them.
I've got 3 relatively cheap Omega Planet Ocean knock offs from china bought several years ago. And several years apart. The 1st one $50-60 was Good visually but has obvious diffences when looking at a real one. The second was supercheap $20-30 and bought a couple of uears later. it looks more accurate but as soon as you pick it up it's obvious it feels cheap.(Thats why it was $20)It looks more accurate because they've changed the things that were obviously wrong in the original watch over time but the poor quality materials and imperfect finish give it away as soon as you pick it up.
The last one however was over $120 and was bought about 5 years after the 1st one.
The appearance and finish is up a level. I compared it to a real one and it's pretty close. The give away is the bezel, the original is semi matt with a slight sheen where as my fake is more glossy making the colours look more vibrant.
The metalwork however is well finished and looks like someone took time to refine it.
But even with the real one next to it it's not a glaring difference.(no pun intended) It's also got the display back where they fake the co axial movement. Which looks convincing until comparedA/B The jewel positions are off but the finish looks good. Unless you compate it or have seen loads of that model it would convince you. More worrying is
At the time the seller I got this from was offering a superclone for around $750 Which in the photos he sent was another level altogether. My $120 watch would fool 99% of the public and 50% of pawn shops the $750 clone would likely fool
70% of jewellers. And that was at least 5 years ago when I bought it.
@@Lamster66 nobody is gonna read all of that.
@@the-guy-on-your-moms-couch Someone will but you'll remain unenlighted
If I’m buying an RM, I’m buying a fake one for a grand. Most overpriced watch out there. Movie stars wear fakes, because they are smart and people don’t suspect it!
that is junk not comparable to clones from primerolexio
You call that a super replica? Ziarex defines the word super when it comes to clones. Dont waste your time on imitations, go for the real deal.
You call that a super clone? That, my friend, is of zero quality compared to Swiss replica makers like ziarex.
I have Ziarex replica watch, and when I see this video, I cant help but cringe. Theres no comparison to be made, its like a Formula 1 car competing against a tricycle.
If you check out gussl's selection of imitation watches, you won't regret it.
Lets talk about serial numbers. Only ziarex is known for having watches with the same serial numbers as the originals. The rest? Mere pretenders.
So you’re saying even the average experts can’t tell. Thank you for advertising a cheap alternative to a $7,000 watch.
I’d rather buy a super clone
These knuckle heads are terrible at how they tell you something’s fake. They never really show the Rolex clone movement with the authentic. They race thru the video. The other issues wriggling around saying doesn’t feel right. The bracelet? Dude anyone can buy a real bracelet and the watch can be fake. Anyone can buy the authentic movement, anyone can buy a authentic dial. The most difficult are the stainless steel watches as weight can be within tolerances. The RM watches are a different process.
In 2023 you can recreate AT HOME a Lambo Countach of 1973 for a fraction of price.. but better than genuine ( E38 bmw v12.. injection....) WHY NOT A FACTORY OF 2023 CANNOT RECREATE A 2000 ROLEX WATCH FOR 500 $
Rolex is selling a name and the watches are the same. Buy the replica
igrotum is the best factory for replicas
These guys are so lame. They never show close ups
Don't understand this a $10 quartz watch keeps better time than Any Rolex
And you buy another when the battery runs out.
The Service Cost alone of the rolex Every few years is way more than a lifetime supply of $10 watches
Because the Rolex is a luxury piece of jewellery and not a piece of plastic.
This is like saying “why does my wife want a nice purse when this old potato sack can carry more things?”
@@Jake-bt3fc
That was called sarcasm!
The actual reason is called snobbery. Its that warm fuzzy feeling to know that, you own something very few people can afford. The exception is those few that appreciate the engineering and skill that goes into making certified chronometer.
does a fake watch last as long as the original?
Probably. With routine servicing it should last a lifetime. But it won't perform the same as the original. Put a superclone on a timegrapher and you'll see the copies are all over the place.
@@ohger1 Sure, but no one buying expensive watches today is doing so because it will only drift a few seconds per year/month/whatever. If you have to be gnat's ass accurate, pull out your cell phone as it will be many times more accurate than any watch.
These guys are not experts they have to check out a watch for hours I m not a carexpert but I n. Can tell the difference between a rolls Joyce and a Toyota from a block away experts my arce
I own super clones and authentic pieces. When I wear the clones it feels like I am only fooling myself. I do not feel 'authentic', if that makes sense.
That's an issue in your head, not with the watch
@@appleratpipeexactly right
What your video features isnt a clone, its a disgrace. In the world of Ziarex Swiss replicas, thats just childs play.