SD 8 Gen 1 is a volcano. Expect massive throttling profiles in future AAA OEMs like Samsung. This thing seriously needs an Active cooler with two fans otherwise to keep that performance intact. This is such a difficult processor to tame.
it's complete shit honestly, so sad. I guess the plus version will be made by TSMC (hope this is still true), but for now the dimensity 9000 will be wayy better
@@Mayu-xyxy We may get to see the next big Qualcomm chip earlier than usual. As per the Chinese tipster, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 may go into mass production as early as April next year. It will then be released in May and June. So no plus version next year.
Qualcomm gpu adreno 730 just have 1024 Alus, its same to adreno 650 and 660. But maximum clock speed gpu is difference. 650(sd865@587Mhz, sd865+@675Mhz, sd870@700Mhz), 660@840Mhz, and 730@960Mhz. I think qualcomm just Overclock because fabrication Already 4nm. I think thats why temperature is high while running 3d mark wild life extreme strest test. But idon know is that tru or not( about adreno 730@960Mhz, i know from the article
nope it's not a software issues, the only possible software fix is to throttle it back to snapdragon 888 performance which is basically an 865 after 1 minute of activity (՞ ᗜ ՞) flagships are a scam
Why the heck not every other RUclipsr cover even a fraction of this data? This IS what I've been looking for in a review for quite a while now. Great work!
Cause other RUclipsr reviewer only gave good expression for ads and. Get free phone. Golden aka owner this vedio . He is the true tech reviewer . He bought it with his own money .I Hope all flagship brand send him all their phone for him to review . like jerryrig
@@venator7889 Dude,you dont need a nuclear reactor in your phone.You need a strong chip,a good software and at least 8mb ram.Trust me,your device can handle your yt or insta habbit just fine.
@@venator7889 the 870 can use more in games higher graphics not much heating issue compare to 888 and gen 1 you cant even hold your phone caused its really hot.
It might be best we wait for Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 as it will be using TSMC's latest 4nm node, coupled with some tweaks. Dimensity 9000 is already posing a threat to the Gen 1.
if exynos 2200 not hot and better efficient than this 8gen 1 , thats serious problem for snapdragon, because exynos will be built on 4 nm fab samsung as well, . if exynos 2200 same hot as 8 gen 1 , then the problem is samsung fab it self
Yeah. Mediatek with their traditional lousy isp, third party support and optimization. As always, mediatek never lose in performance marking but always lose in actual usage
@@xelesarc1680 yeah and also the dimensity chips are becoming more competitive, Google has their new chip. Qualcomm's underwhelming performance here is probably in part because they had so much monopoly power over the industry that they didn't have to worry about anyone chasing them.
Yeah. Mediatek with their traditional lousy isp, third party support and optimization. As always, mediatek never lose in performance marking but always lose in actual usage
@@vinithd6320 hey, maybe mtk9000 also will heat bcz the reason for heating is big core X2 and midcore A710 of ARM's. similary these cores may heat up in mtk9000. if u say 8gen 1 heating is bcz of samsung fabrication ,why 8gen1's gpu cores are efficient and cpu cores are not efficient .even though they both cores are fabricated by samsung.
@@pavankuchipudi4763 do you know there are some rumors going on that snapdragon giving 8th gen 1's half of the volume to tsmc. Because of unhappiness with Samsung's production was insufficient for Qualcomm's demand or somesay tsmc's 4nm fabrication has better efficiency. with example of iPhones 6s a9 chip
I've been using poco f2 pro with SD865, and I have been soo impressed with it, running genshin for several hours while quickcharging and my phone barely gets warm. I run 2 AR 58 accs on Genshin and my phone has been holding strong for more than a year now. I was considering upgrading to a 8gen 1 , but thnx to this video, I see no reason. Only upgrade I truly want is high refresh rate screen, but I guess I can wait another year.
@Lugh iPhone se can do the same for 10mins. Doesn't mean it's a good choice for gaming...my gf has poco x3 pro with SD860, and there is a significant difference in performance (might I add, only with Genshin impact) so I don't really agree...SD888 on most phones dims and overheats in 10 mins aswell..
I buyed Mi 11 for better performance playing GI (previous phone was F2 Pro) and now i'm very dissapointed, the SD 888 it's very unestabble and gets hot at 25/27°C on at least 30 minutes of gameplay (in low settings). While the POCO in medium settings and 60 fps, can play the Game without burning hands easily 3/4 hours gameplay Only a thing on the F2 Pro, the Flex problems
What's even more scary is that it got upto 60 degrees even after being throttled to 63 percent. I'm pretty sure it would have become boiling hot if it didn't throttle(may be even explode)😱
Wow! Those are crazy high temps! 60c is definitely dangerous for the hands. Hopefully other smartphone companies will limit power/performance to reduce thermals.
Sd 888 is also very very hot. But u can clearly see how samsung s21 ultra kept it at just 40°c. Optimization matters. Hope others brands will make a justice and don't ruin it like moto.
I guess the only options in 2022 for Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 would be Redmagic Nubia and Asus ROG Phone, since they're gamer phones which supports fan cooling
Snapdragon 865 was the last efficienct chip qualcomn had made . Snapdragon 888 is just a overclocked snapdragon 865 with a big X1 core . The 8th gen 1 just a overclocked 888 with new gpu . The big X1 core is the reason 888 had heating issues now that they just overclocked it the heating issues has also increased . Qualcomn needs ditch both Samsung and the big X1 core if they want get efficient agian .
@Cylant Justice what you said is true the chip is different,but the reason is stupid.the CPU is not overclocked but the gpu is just overclocked adreno 650. Just because node of chips is different doesn't means it a different chips.if for example IF Qualcomm change SD 865 to use 5nm instead of 7nm,it still the same chip with different node.
I think Motorola's cooling solution is also to blame here. Let's wait for other devices with this chipset mostly from Xiaomi and Samsung. I don't think it would be this bad.
I doubt, it's simply physics no active cooling no good performance, the difference is simply going to be the amount of time before it eventually throttles to disappointment ~ヾ(￣⌂￣‶)ﾉyawn ヾ(￣﹏￣‶)ﾉ
@@3mar00ss6 yep, even if they made entire dimensions of that phone for copper cooling, its still throttling bad, after all this chip is >10w on peak performance with really small passive cooler
Especially Samsung cause they do limit their chip set speed inorder to give you absolute performance and also allow their coming system to work effectively. Xiaomi do increase their phone performance alot
I want to be optimistic but the samsung have terrible record with making chips. I'm afraid there only soo much you can do with a very hot processor. Maybe we should wait for dimensity 9000 then.
Whats wrong in Snapdragon is when they Choose Samsung Instead of TSMC.. Im using Snapdragon 865 the last snapdragon made by TSMC and it is very efficient and Stable Fps.. I would not buy Snapdragon until they will return to TSMC.. Samsung is well known of the Worse Performance and big performance drop in stress test.. 😂 😂 Very Wrong move..
They had no option but to go for Samsung. As you know there was and still chip shortage so TSMC didn't have enough resources to produce such a massive amounts of chips. Apple is their old consumer ,also Mediatek. But 8 Gen 2 is on his way. We will get that released earlier than usual. In May 2022. There will be no more plus version of 8 Gen 1.
@@faisalrahman9236 Yes, no one would choose Samsung fabs if they had a choice not to. Apple buys the chips early and is a valued customer so gets first dibs meaning Samsung or nothing. TSMC are building new factories so hopefully in 2023 we can get better Snapdragon chips. I expect OPPO and others will be switching to Dimensity as Mediatek also uses TSMC fabs so that is why they have overtaken Qualcomm as the number 1 chipmaker (volume).
The reason why this and 888 are thorttling and are hotter than The 810, it's because of the Semi Conductor. You see, samsung made the 5 and 4nm semiconductor for the 888 and 8G1. And if you know Samsung in the SoC market, they're basically intel.
I would be more interested in how hot it gets under normal loads rather than under benchmarks/artificial stress tests. If it only heats up during heavy workloads then I don't think you have to worry about it. For anything that needs/can take advantage of that kind of power, the trade-off is worth it.
Samsung manufactured 8 Gen 1 & SD888 Qualcomm chipsets are messed up.. Qualcomm should've made the chipsets with TSMC like SD870/ SD865 instead of Samsung..
@Thế Tài Cao Mi 10T is never a gaming device, let me know which cheap device comes with 865. i heard no one complaining about F3 heating up tho. the point is, expensive phones with flagship SoC heating up issue and underperforming is not acceptable
I remember when the first Motorola phone with the 888 had insane overheating and battery drain problems. I think the problem is not really the CPU itself, but rather Motorolas software etc.
The problem with the snapdragon 8 gen 1 (and snapdragon 888) is that is made by samsung, you can see that the snapdragon 865 even after 2 years is still more efficient cause it's made by tsmc. Probably next year samsung will have the new gaafet tecnology and we'll see some important improvements
great comparison of 3 generations snapdragon SoC, I just bought realme gt neo 2 with no regrets, sd 870 is still the best choice for performance-battery wise and value for the money
How is the neo 2? It was one I was considering before getting the poco f3 for £200. They both have the snapdragon 870 and I'm really impressed with the F3. I was even thinking of buying another one when I read about the new chip issues. It has some quirks but mostly does everything. I would have paid more for it but it was a flash sale. A lot of phone for the money even for someone who doesn't game. The camera gets slates but it's not that bad IMO. Possibly if used to better cameras but it's more than adequate.
We've seen the same thing with Mi 11 last year. I think it depends on exact phone model. Snapdragon 888 in Mi 11 and in Red Magic 6 shows different results. And S21 Ultra was cooler than Mi 11 or OnePlus 9. So I hope that we will see better realization of Gen 1 in S22.
Don't think optimisation is the issue here. I'm almost certain this is Snapdragon 810 v3.0 The 888 was pretty bad from the beginning and no matter which company tried to make it good and proper, there's only so much you can do for a bad SoC. The 870 was a much better SoC in terms of consistency.
@@rrageneral1499 Sd 888 also sucked in in mi 11 released in haste last year. That also touched temps of around 60°c. Reason: device launched in haste just to claim I m the first one to lauch it. But the devices which came after it, were cooler than it. Like u can see sd 888 touches just 40°c here. So yeah, with new devices we will have better optimization and better thermals but yeah will still be hottest chip of the year, bcz others chip will also be optimised. Note: Xiaomi learnt lesson last year about releasing unfinished devices. So this year, they waited and they are claiming that they worked for 6 months with qualcomm to optimize sd 8 gen 1. So yeah let's hope.
@@drmujeebhamid3560 The Snapdragon 870 in the moto Edge 20pro has 1216 Points when it starts (wild life extreme stress test), and after 20 Minutes 1211 points. The Snapdragon 888 only did stay at 40°C, because it was throttled to 75% of performance of it's predecessor. Not because it was any more optimised.
@@drmujeebhamid3560 The average Galaxy S20 Ultra scores 1094 after 20 Minutes of wild life extreme and is with that. 20.5% Stronger than the Galaxy S21 Ultra. The Snap 888 released as a so bod and heating processor that it needed to throttle down to less performance of it's predecessor, just to not overheat.
@@fa14bi-78 wildlife stress test checks sustained performance and not peak one. Sd 865 both peak performance and sustained performance is same. Suppose on GFX bench Manhattan e3.1 1080p, Sd 865 scores 85 fps @ 4w. Sd 888 does scores 115 fps @ 8 watts but since it won't sustain 8 watts on wildlife stress test so it will throttle to 4 watts and at 4 watts it scores 90 fps. ( Note in tests it was seen samsung s21 ultra actually deliberately throttled even further to 3.5w and scores were just 80 fps. AnandTech). Now coming to cat in the park. Sd 8 gen 1. If it scores peak 175 @ almost same budget of 8.5 watt, then its sustained performance @ 4 watt will be also high and if u know about power and performance curve, u will see sd 8 gen 1 will score 110 fps @ 4 watt, which will be 25-30 % higher than both sd 865 and sd 888. Btw for comparison, apple a14 scores 135 @ 7 watts and sustained performance is 105 @ 4 watts. I don't know about A15. But yeah clearly it will be better than this. But gaming is not just about GPU, half of it is CPU too. And u don't need whole cpu there. U need only 2-3 cores. Thats where A15 destroys andriod clowns. Bcz a15 small effienct cores can sustain scores of 1100-2200 @ just 1.2w-2.4w. While as andriod small scores are useless for PUBG and GI and it has to use mid cores and they don't fare well. Bcz for same scores of 1200-2400 on sd 8 gen 1, it will consume 2.5w-6w. Way way more than A15.
This makes me love my snapdragon 665 Galaxy S20 Ultra even more I'll be keeping this phone for a very long time especially how bad the gen 1 is when it comes to heat
Imagine apple chips with no cooling system at all still beat Qualcomm with VC, double layer triple-layer quadrant layer etc bla bla works and last for more than 5 years with resale value.
Anything with Samsung is wrong. That's pretty much it. TSMC is so much better than Samsung, and basically when snapdragon 8gen1 made by them (TSMC) rolls out, all these problems will be past. All the issues 8gen1 currently have are Samsung related.
@Golden Reviewer If we get 60.9 in this test on phone case - can you please check battery temperature? Do you also check second run of this stress test (for total 40 min)? Does temperature getting even higher? Thanks for answer!
For pure Arm design like Mediatek it somehow balance between CPU and GPU..when Qualcomm made it..it kinda feels like Qualcomm just slapped it with an RTX gpu with no changes in CPU..
People are overreacting. 99% of the new chip on the phone users will never stress the cpu like a benchmark. all of them will browse the internet and social media apps. take pictures and light gaming like candy crush or something.
In a year's time, I won't be surprised that the cpu will short cct with the need of a complete motherboard replacement. It is a well known fact that excessive heat destroys semiconductor structures causing unwanted current to flow in opposite directions. Also, It is quite simple to make a cpu look great by clocking it up. The problem is if it can handle the extra stress. The A15, 5 core bionic is clocked at 3.23 Ghz and barely reaches 34°c. Why, because Apple releases true finished quality and well tested products irrelevant of the competition. That is WHY their prices are higher apart from the very expensive stainless steel frame. Hope Qualcomm does not take Samsung exynos route in releasing half finished products, now even in software. Thanks for the very well, professional video and true info on these overhyped soc's. Just subscribed 🙂🙂
I am using mi10 which has sd865, is that good enough to keep it until next sd comes out, sd888 annoyed and it happens again with 8gen 1. Is that big jump from sd865 to mtk9000 or should I keep it further, thank you in advance for answering
Honestly it depends on your needs, I'm still using 845 from Poco F1. Still run genshin medium 30, bloom off.not really a genshin fan tho I'm more of ps2 emulation.
But it is that the 8 gen 1 was manufactured by Samsung, and they themselves said that they will break ties with Samsung and the 8 gen 1 that continue to be manufactured by tsmc, so let's see what happens
Both 888 and 8 gen1 are both powerful but burns like hell. Thats why i stepped down to 870. Its optimzed for low to med temps and low power consumption. And im waiting for the Dimensity 9000.
Hey golden reviewer! I have a question, how are you managed to hide Navigation Gestures on S21 Ultra and Poco F3 (other androids)? Please answer I also want to hide my navigation gestures
I wonder if my Note S10+5G will go up in value because of SD 8 gen 1. I think I will keep it a while longer. Thanks for this review. It cuts right to the heart of the matter!
Apple is slowly winning the war. Android smartphone only have the fast charging speed. Otherwise, an iPhone is better everywhere else. If I can't have a jack or a sd card what is the benefits of buying and Android flagship? The price ? Not anymore... My next phone will be an iPhone 14 Max and I will keep it 5 years without the doubt of getting updates
Apple isn't winning war, it has simply better manufacture in TSMC. If same sd 8 gen 1 was made on tsmc rather than samsung, it would be very much efficient. But yeah we should blame Qualcomm for still sticking with samsung foundry. Note: they have already started developing sd 8 gen 2 which will release in May next year and it will manufactured on tsmc
@@drmujeebhamid3560 blame QC ? Blame other chip makers first before you should blame QC. QC just want the best in their SOC products just becoz tsmc is working packs or max capacity with others chip makers + chip shortage is here becoz of pandemic that's the reason why QC could not get that in the tsmc node still can't blame that
@@thebrightstar3634 u have got to be kidding me if u think that is the reason. Itz only about money. Tsmc said to them, that it will cost more money but bcz Qualcomm had to make profit for themselves too , they opted for cheaper samsung nodes. For ur kind info, Qualcomm still uses tsmc as a manufacturer for lot of its chips like 870, 860 and whatnot. And here when tsmc asked for bit more money , qc altogether ditched it. Guess where did it take it ? Back to tsmc. Now it is begging tsmc to make sd 8 gen 2, which will be due to release in May next year.
iPhonea are filled with bugs, few gets fixed just to introduce more bugs, this is why android is a default choice for everybody, it just works. iPhone is yet to catch with feautures like split screen, periscope zoom, quick charging, side loading, true multitasking, proper file menagment. You think your overpriced one trick pony is better then anything else on the market.
SD888's CPU has bottleneck effect on it's graphic and eventually the overall performance would be affected! How this architecture performed by Qualcomm??!!! Anyway I love my POCO F3 and am be waiting for MIUI 13 that would be released in the future days!
Same here using poco f3 till this day as my daily driver while having a dedicated gaming phone only for games and media consumption like watching anime and movies
There's always NO2, just keep a thermos filled with you at all times so you can splash some liquid nitrogen on that little nuclear reactor and problem solved. No seriously this chip should only be used inside tablets with beefed up heatsinks. Next gen of phones should just use Intel processors, shouldn't make any difference in thermals.
@@xstongames4778 820 is almost better until 821. they stabling it out to the 835, until 845, 855 And Finnaly the best is 865 so far. the plus variant is OC so they are hot (845+ 855+ 865+)
@@faisiriandi7736 I currently have 855 and it's amazing , doesn't heat and throttle at all it'll last me until the next COOL Snapdragon like 8gen 2 or 3 even
@@xstongames4778 yup, the heat problem is going on anticipated by them. So many report problem everywhere. I hope 2023-2025 will be Peak Quality for the best Processor released.
It is not about how well the performance is. It is about how hot the temp will be. No matter how fast the smartphone, consider smartphones these days with a thin design it wont perform at its best and it is uncomfortable for hands
@@sprazini3014 yes. Did you watch the sustain performance of 870 and Apple chips? Which are made by TSMC. Qualcomm's bad days started when they switched to Samsung.
Yeah Qualcomm is feeling that mediatek pressure, if they had no competition they would have just let the same bad heating chipset be the only one for the year like the 888
Now what if they instead put this chipset on bigger and wider devices like tablets? That way the heat should dissipate/ spread better. And with cooler, should be even cooler ;)
I noticed my Snapdragon 888 Oppo Find X3 Pro runs cool while I'm using it, casually, even after 1 hour of gaming the phone doesn't get too hot, like I can continue using without having to let the phone cool down, I'm pretty impressed with Snapdragon 888 ☺️
@@enam0001 That's right. Though, limiting it too much wouldn't be good. The Mi 11T Pro limits it's Snapdragon 888 so much that it's both slower and still hotter than the SD870.
Bruh 61C on the external isnt the cooling's fault. A cooling systems job is to bring out all that heat from the inside to the front glass or back panel (its passive). The SOC shud throttle off instead of going behind performance and risking the battery explosion. 61C on the outside means 90-100+c inside the core. Either Motorola didnt do its job of letting the CPU Throttle post certain temperature limit or it the SOC overrode the kernel and never stopped.
Please make a comparison with the dimensity 9000 processor and the Qualcomm processor, I think the cause of the heat is the manufacturing technology between Samsung and TSMC
All hail the legendry samsung foundry. I really don't understand why Qualcomm would stick with them. Ok tsmc will charge extra money, let it be. It is a flagship, and flagships are already expensive, of if they are expensive further by $50, be it, atleast we will have a better performance, experience and offcourse those bragging rights
It's not really about saving money but about producing enough chips. Dimensity 9000 devices will either be regularly out of stock or there will be very few phones with it.
We can't expect to cool these phone passively anymore, a slab of aluminum doesn't cut it to stay at 100% performance. You'll need a thermal electric cooler which is what I use. And you'll get the whole performance.
I reckon the 8Gen1 uses thermal throttling as a profile manager. It has explosive speed to get a task done asap however if it is say a gaming session, or something that requires sustained performance, the heat causes the cores to downclock and doing so it puts them in a much more efficient performance window. It is very telling however that the likes of the blackshark gaming phone went with the 870 and based on the results above for sustained performance and efficiency I see why. I also see why the last gen phones using the 888 aren't completely obliterated by the 8 Gen 1 devices in real world scenarios. Another talking point is the use of 7xx chips over the 7gen1. I have yet to see a phone that has opted for the 7gen1 chip which may come down to price, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a performance choice too.
You can see the worst four efficient chips are all from Samsung fabs, from the Exynos to the Tensor and SD8 Gen 1! Thankfully most consumers are unaware that they are receiving poorly efficient chips otherwise these phones would rightly fail in sales. For most users that do not play games the SD8 Gen 1 should be okay but for gaming fans, wait for a Dimensity or the TSMC SD8 Gen 2. If you live in a cold country the SD8 Gen 1 phones will be a boom as handwarmers and would be a good choice, but in tropical regions the SD8 will be useless.
Google made the right decision to ditch Qualcomm when they did. Maybe Samsung exynos chip will perform better? Historically that wasn't the case but that was back during the heyday of the 8:55 and 65
I have a Note 20 Ultra and was considering getting an S22 Ultra (Hong Kong import as I live in the UK) - But this is a real concern. It seems that for CPU, they just bumped the frequency to unreasonable clocks, using way too much power and gaining about 15C over the 865, for very little improvement in performance (which means, like with desktop hardware, they're running it beyond optimal performance per watt, essentially throwing huge voltage and wattage at it to gain a few % in benchmarks) The CPU side lets it down. I'd have actually preferred to get the same score as an 888 on CPU and see the GPU boost, and them just market the GPU 40% increase over "last gen" and list CPU as "on par" with the 888 and run it at 2.8Ghz, saving 10 - 15c and a lot of power. So now I'm stuck. Keep my Note 20 Ultra, or get a Exynos 2200 model of the S22 Ultra? Or be patient and see if the Gen 1 ends up being more stable in "release" hardware of a higher standard. Moto are not know for decent cooling
The problem is these chips don't even have a freaking fan gets only comparitively hot while a massive desktop CPU has ten thousand fans and still remains hot. To miniature the size is the biggest hurdle in this system.
Is it snapdragon 8 gen 1 that is disappointing or is it Motorola? Of all the features that SD 8 gen1 has; Motorola implemented nothing from those features. I'm an Apple guy and Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 got me interested of the camera recording abilities it has. I hope another brand uses the features better.
CANT WAIT FOR HOW DIMEN9000 WILL PERFORM
its like 4500 at multi on gkbench
@@MLTAKOS is there dimensity 4500?
@@geniusful the 9000 scores 4500+pts
60 degree.seriously...wow...pretty good job qualcom 8 gen 1..developers and company,creator's,balancer😡😡
Well that temps are prolly because of Samsung's 4nm node which is inferior to TSMC's.
SD 8 Gen 1 is a volcano. Expect massive throttling profiles in future AAA OEMs like Samsung. This thing seriously needs an Active cooler with two fans otherwise to keep that performance intact. This is such a difficult processor to tame.
it's complete shit honestly, so sad. I guess the plus version will be made by TSMC (hope this is still true), but for now the dimensity 9000 will be wayy better
@@Mayu-xyxy We may get to see the next big Qualcomm chip earlier than usual. As per the Chinese tipster, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 may go into mass production as early as April next year. It will then be released in May and June. So no plus version next year.
😂😂😂💥
Better buy pc
@@amrilajja4279 You can't carry your pc around with you
In my opinion, the Snapdragon 865/865+ and 870 are the best chipsets that Snapdragon did so far! I prefer them more than 888/888+ and Gen 1
Same, way more stable
TSMC vs Samsung
Qualcomm gpu adreno 730 just have 1024 Alus, its same to adreno 650 and 660. But maximum clock speed gpu is difference. 650(sd865@587Mhz, sd865+@675Mhz, sd870@700Mhz), 660@840Mhz, and 730@960Mhz. I think qualcomm just Overclock because fabrication Already 4nm. I think thats why temperature is high while running 3d mark wild life extreme strest test. But idon know is that tru or not( about adreno 730@960Mhz, i know from the article
@@deniengineering 730 just 250aula the sd 865 512aula 650mhz 888 same gpu overclok to 850mhz resulting 2.1gigflop comper 1.4 gigflop 865
865 is the last best. 870 halfway to sd888
60 degree Celsius is just too much to justify for the performance upgrade. Maybe some software upgrade to help with the efficiency?
nope it's not a software issues, the only possible software fix is to throttle it back to snapdragon 888 performance which is basically an 865 after 1 minute of activity (՞ ᗜ ՞) flagships are a scam
@@3mar00ss6 lol true sd865 is the only real flagship chip. Sd888 and 8gen1 are only overclocked versions with some enhancements
@@frogGames Snapdragon 870 is also amazing.
Next snapdragon will run at 120°C ProMotion Adaptive Temperature
Nope it's Samsung's fault
Why the heck not every other RUclipsr cover even a fraction of this data? This IS what I've been looking for in a review for quite a while now. Great work!
Cause other RUclipsr reviewer only gave good expression for ads and. Get free phone. Golden aka owner this vedio . He is the true tech reviewer . He bought it with his own money .I Hope all flagship brand send him all their phone for him to review . like jerryrig
@@nyanyaa9271 His fans must donate money to him
I found one other good reviewer with similar info on the 8 gen 1 a couple days ago.
@@johnkovich8874 Who?
@@EikottXD hard to recall who at this moment 🤔
Can we appreciate how stable the 870sd was
yeah ,that the processor i want in my next device
@@nicolacarey430 But it isn't as powerful as the Snapdragon 888 and Snapdragon 8Gen1 in terms of raw power
@@venator7889 Dude,you dont need a nuclear reactor in your phone.You need a strong chip,a good software and at least 8mb ram.Trust me,your device can handle your yt or insta habbit just fine.
@@venator7889 the 870 can use more in games higher graphics not much heating issue compare to 888 and gen 1 you cant even hold your phone caused its really hot.
@@mramaiahusbandtv4752 fr tho my shitty gen 1 gets hot even when im sleeping and not doing anything on it ffs
It might be best we wait for Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 as it will be using TSMC's latest 4nm node, coupled with some tweaks. Dimensity 9000 is already posing a threat to the Gen 1.
if exynos 2200 not hot and better efficient than this 8gen 1 , thats serious problem for snapdragon, because exynos will be built on 4 nm fab samsung as well, . if exynos 2200 same hot as 8 gen 1 , then the problem is samsung fab it self
Yeah. Mediatek with their traditional lousy isp, third party support and optimization.
As always, mediatek never lose in performance marking but always lose in actual usage
@@xelesarc1680 doubt it, rumours say samsung had to delay the exynos 2200 because of heat issues. prob. because of the shitty rdna ip.
@Vlad Mihai this is expected tbh, i never expect anything good (Soc) from samsung.
@@xelesarc1680 yeah and also the dimensity chips are becoming more competitive, Google has their new chip. Qualcomm's underwhelming performance here is probably in part because they had so much monopoly power over the industry that they didn't have to worry about anyone chasing them.
Dimensity 9000 will be a lot more efficient and stable... Only redmagic can optimize snapdragon 8 gen 1 for its Max performance
Because of tsmc
it will cost twice the money and MTK doesn't release fast the source code for OS updates because of it's understaffed departments
Yeah. Mediatek with their traditional lousy isp, third party support and optimization.
As always, mediatek never lose in performance marking but always lose in actual usage
@@vinithd6320 hey, maybe mtk9000 also will heat bcz the reason for heating is big core X2 and midcore A710 of ARM's.
similary these cores may heat up in mtk9000.
if u say 8gen 1 heating is bcz of samsung fabrication ,why 8gen1's gpu cores are efficient and cpu cores are not efficient .even though they both cores are fabricated by samsung.
@@pavankuchipudi4763 do you know there are some rumors going on that snapdragon giving 8th gen 1's half of the volume to tsmc. Because of unhappiness with Samsung's production was insufficient for Qualcomm's demand or somesay tsmc's 4nm fabrication has better efficiency. with example of iPhones 6s a9 chip
I've been using poco f2 pro with SD865, and I have been soo impressed with it, running genshin for several hours while quickcharging and my phone barely gets warm. I run 2 AR 58 accs on Genshin and my phone has been holding strong for more than a year now. I was considering upgrading to a 8gen 1 , but thnx to this video, I see no reason. Only upgrade I truly want is high refresh rate screen, but I guess I can wait another year.
Graphics settings?
@@saad25thX highest preset 60 fps with motion blur off
@Lugh iPhone se can do the same for 10mins. Doesn't mean it's a good choice for gaming...my gf has poco x3 pro with SD860, and there is a significant difference in performance (might I add, only with Genshin impact) so I don't really agree...SD888 on most phones dims and overheats in 10 mins aswell..
I buyed Mi 11 for better performance playing GI (previous phone was F2 Pro) and now i'm very dissapointed, the SD 888 it's very unestabble and gets hot at 25/27°C on at least 30 minutes of gameplay (in low settings). While the POCO in medium settings and 60 fps, can play the Game without burning hands easily 3/4 hours gameplay
Only a thing on the F2 Pro, the Flex problems
What's even more scary is that it got upto 60 degrees even after being throttled to 63 percent. I'm pretty sure it would have become boiling hot if it didn't throttle(may be even explode)😱
It won't explode if it went over 120°C then either the CPU will burn or the battery will die
Nothing will die or explode
@@Smzxe there could easily be a case of thermal runaway (battery go boom) if there weren't multiple overheating protections in place
Wow! Those are crazy high temps! 60c is definitely dangerous for the hands. Hopefully other smartphone companies will limit power/performance to reduce thermals.
Sd 888 is also very very hot. But u can clearly see how samsung s21 ultra kept it at just 40°c.
Optimization matters.
Hope others brands will make a justice and don't ruin it like moto.
My poco X3 pro reach 59°c be like🥵
@@epbiebic mine is 48 is the highest
@@kuteeegirl9050 mine 44 highest dimensity 1200
@@drmujeebhamid3560 it’s not optimization, Samsung just cuts off frequencies
I guess the only options in 2022 for Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 would be Redmagic Nubia and Asus ROG Phone, since they're gamer phones which supports fan cooling
You'd still need an external cooler to keep the outer case of the phones cool
Also dont forget the Lenovo Legion
And the lenovo gaming phone too
@@Dtdnoob red magic internal fan keeps the CPU temps low which equates to cool external temps
The battery life will still be bad tho
I think Qualcomm best , stable and efficient chipsets was the 865/865+ and 870 ... This processors were like the best
they are, love my tab s7, 865+ are great
@@Onion_Knights same
@@DeadDoorNob But the new Snapdragon processors have significantly more powerful GPUs
We're those chips made by TSMC?
@@venator7889 ye but its shit if it overheats in like 1min it will not utilize the whole gou if it overheats also who needs games on the phones lol
Snapdragon 865 was the last efficienct chip qualcomn had made . Snapdragon 888 is just a overclocked snapdragon 865 with a big X1 core . The 8th gen 1 just a overclocked 888 with new gpu . The big X1 core is the reason 888 had heating issues now that they just overclocked it the heating issues has also increased . Qualcomn needs ditch both Samsung and the big X1 core if they want get efficient agian .
No adreno 730 is not ever locked version of adreno 650.660 yes
@Cylant Justice what you said is true the chip is different,but the reason is stupid.the CPU is not overclocked but the gpu is just overclocked adreno 650.
Just because node of chips is different doesn't means it a different chips.if for example IF Qualcomm change SD 865 to use 5nm instead of 7nm,it still the same chip with different node.
I think Motorola's cooling solution is also to blame here. Let's wait for other devices with this chipset mostly from Xiaomi and Samsung. I don't think it would be this bad.
I doubt, it's simply physics no active cooling no good performance, the difference is simply going to be the amount of time before it eventually throttles to disappointment ~ヾ(￣⌂￣‶)ﾉyawn ヾ(￣﹏￣‶)ﾉ
@@3mar00ss6 yep, even if they made entire dimensions of that phone for copper cooling, its still throttling bad, after all this chip is >10w on peak performance with really small passive cooler
Especially Samsung cause they do limit their chip set speed inorder to give you absolute performance and also allow their coming system to work effectively.
Xiaomi do increase their phone performance alot
It's first generation of A710. More likely the ARM issue & the Lithography.
I want to be optimistic but the samsung have terrible record with making chips. I'm afraid there only soo much you can do with a very hot processor. Maybe we should wait for dimensity 9000 then.
Whats wrong in Snapdragon is when they Choose Samsung Instead of TSMC..
Im using Snapdragon 865 the last snapdragon made by TSMC and it is very efficient and Stable Fps.. I would not buy Snapdragon until they will return to TSMC.. Samsung is well known of the Worse Performance and big performance drop in stress test.. 😂 😂 Very Wrong move..
They had no option but to go for Samsung. As you know there was and still chip shortage so TSMC didn't have enough resources to produce such a massive amounts of chips. Apple is their old consumer ,also Mediatek. But 8 Gen 2 is on his way. We will get that released earlier than usual. In May 2022. There will be no more plus version of 8 Gen 1.
@@faisalrahman9236 yeah we understand that. I just can't wait for the Sd 8 gen 2 once
@@faisalrahman9236 Yes, no one would choose Samsung fabs if they had a choice not to. Apple buys the chips early and is a valued customer so gets first dibs meaning Samsung or nothing. TSMC are building new factories so hopefully in 2023 we can get better Snapdragon chips. I expect OPPO and others will be switching to Dimensity as Mediatek also uses TSMC fabs so that is why they have overtaken Qualcomm as the number 1 chipmaker (volume).
@@andyH_England maybe they will use 3nm Gafet(might spell it wrong) which absolutely far better tmsc fin fet
Fix
@@rhoaias7404 I heard that it will not arrive until 2023.
The reason why this and 888 are thorttling and are hotter than The 810, it's because of the Semi Conductor. You see, samsung made the 5 and 4nm semiconductor for the 888 and 8G1.
And if you know Samsung in the SoC market, they're basically intel.
I would be more interested in how hot it gets under normal loads rather than under benchmarks/artificial stress tests. If it only heats up during heavy workloads then I don't think you have to worry about it.
For anything that needs/can take advantage of that kind of power, the trade-off is worth it.
Samsung manufactured 8 Gen 1 & SD888 Qualcomm chipsets are messed up.. Qualcomm should've made the chipsets with TSMC like SD870/ SD865 instead of Samsung..
Yeah they just make a big mistake
The problem is tsmc priorities Apple and gives a 4th of there output to Apple at a way cheaper cost than everyone else.
@Thế Tài Cao 865 heats up? my 865+ barely see temp goes up even with intense gaming
@Thế Tài Cao Mi 10T is never a gaming device, let me know which cheap device comes with 865. i heard no one complaining about F3 heating up tho. the point is, expensive phones with flagship SoC heating up issue and underperforming is not acceptable
@Thế Tài Cao yea, very puzzling
I remember when the first Motorola phone with the 888 had insane overheating and battery drain problems. I think the problem is not really the CPU itself, but rather Motorolas software etc.
Can't imagine these temps are good for the battery either. Time will tell if phones with the new chip will last more than 2 years
I think Modern Chips are capable and safe on upto 90°C as we see in computers too.
@@truearmy1953 but not the battery, or your hands
The problem with the snapdragon 8 gen 1 (and snapdragon 888) is that is made by samsung,
you can see that the snapdragon 865 even after 2 years is still more efficient cause it's made by tsmc.
Probably next year samsung will have the new gaafet tecnology and we'll see some important improvements
I Agreed with that
Samsung Galaxy Exynos is worse than Galaxy Snapdragon version with the same series
How Samsung can solve a poor design chipset?
@@rastaman971 its not bad, just worse than snapdragon series compared to the 865 that time
@@faisiriandi7736 Thats not what he said
@@faisiriandi7736 lol
I really appreciate the in depth breakdown of these chips. Not enough tech channels go in depth like this.
great comparison of 3 generations snapdragon SoC, I just bought realme gt neo 2 with no regrets, sd 870 is still the best choice for performance-battery wise and value for the money
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How is the neo 2? It was one I was considering before getting the poco f3 for £200.
They both have the snapdragon 870 and I'm really impressed with the F3. I was even thinking of buying another one when I read about the new chip issues.
It has some quirks but mostly does everything. I would have paid more for it but it was a flash sale. A lot of phone for the money even for someone who doesn't game.
The camera gets slates but it's not that bad IMO. Possibly if used to better cameras but it's more than adequate.
We've seen the same thing with Mi 11 last year. I think it depends on exact phone model. Snapdragon 888 in Mi 11 and in Red Magic 6 shows different results. And S21 Ultra was cooler than Mi 11 or OnePlus 9. So I hope that we will see better realization of Gen 1 in S22.
I can't believe a phone is reaching 60°c that's same temperature as my pc while gaming
Nice video. Like your context. Keep it up
❤️love your reviews
I hope it's optimization problem with Motorola otherwise it will be nightmare year for Android flagships
Don't think optimisation is the issue here. I'm almost certain this is Snapdragon 810 v3.0
The 888 was pretty bad from the beginning and no matter which company tried to make it good and proper, there's only so much you can do for a bad SoC. The 870 was a much better SoC in terms of consistency.
@@rrageneral1499 Sd 888 also sucked in in mi 11 released in haste last year.
That also touched temps of around 60°c.
Reason: device launched in haste just to claim I m the first one to lauch it.
But the devices which came after it, were cooler than it.
Like u can see sd 888 touches just 40°c here.
So yeah, with new devices we will have better optimization and better thermals but yeah will still be hottest chip of the year, bcz others chip will also be optimised.
Note: Xiaomi learnt lesson last year about releasing unfinished devices.
So this year, they waited and they are claiming that they worked for 6 months with qualcomm to optimize sd 8 gen 1.
So yeah let's hope.
@@drmujeebhamid3560 The Snapdragon 870 in the moto Edge 20pro has 1216 Points when it starts (wild life extreme stress test), and after 20 Minutes 1211 points. The Snapdragon 888 only did stay at 40°C, because it was throttled to 75% of performance of it's predecessor.
Not because it was any more optimised.
@@drmujeebhamid3560 The average Galaxy S20 Ultra scores 1094 after 20 Minutes of wild life extreme and is with that. 20.5% Stronger than the Galaxy S21 Ultra. The Snap 888 released as a so bod and heating processor that it needed to throttle down to less performance of it's predecessor, just to not overheat.
@@fa14bi-78 wildlife stress test checks sustained performance and not peak one.
Sd 865 both peak performance and sustained performance is same.
Suppose on GFX bench Manhattan e3.1 1080p,
Sd 865 scores 85 fps @ 4w.
Sd 888 does scores 115 fps @ 8 watts but since it won't sustain 8 watts on wildlife stress test so it will throttle to 4 watts and at 4 watts it scores 90 fps.
( Note in tests it was seen samsung s21 ultra actually deliberately throttled even further to 3.5w and scores were just 80 fps. AnandTech).
Now coming to cat in the park. Sd 8 gen 1.
If it scores peak 175 @ almost same budget of 8.5 watt, then its sustained performance @ 4 watt will be also high and if u know about power and performance curve, u will see sd 8 gen 1 will score 110 fps @ 4 watt, which will be 25-30 % higher than both sd 865 and sd 888.
Btw for comparison, apple a14 scores 135 @ 7 watts and sustained performance is 105 @ 4 watts.
I don't know about A15.
But yeah clearly it will be better than this.
But gaming is not just about GPU, half of it is CPU too.
And u don't need whole cpu there. U need only 2-3 cores.
Thats where A15 destroys andriod clowns.
Bcz a15 small effienct cores can sustain scores of 1100-2200 @ just 1.2w-2.4w.
While as andriod small scores are useless for PUBG and GI and it has to use mid cores and they don't fare well.
Bcz for same scores of 1200-2400 on sd 8 gen 1, it will consume 2.5w-6w.
Way way more than A15.
Great video, thanks for the information
Love ur videos so much . Keep doing.
surprising is that CPU score is much faster on 870 vs gen 1 after the 3rd run!
Probably the super throttling on the gen 1, u cant get anything decent while the soc is on fire
@@Onion_Knights yep, true
This makes me love my snapdragon 665 Galaxy S20 Ultra even more I'll be keeping this phone for a very long time especially how bad the gen 1 is when it comes to heat
Some say the SD 8G1 has heat issues much like the old 810 (2015) did, which also featured a first for Qualcomm with Octo Core technology...
Nice video Golden 💜🌸
The heat is going to cause these devices to degrade extremely quick, with all that heat. We will see how they will tame this soc.
Imagine apple chips with no cooling system at all still beat Qualcomm with VC, double layer triple-layer quadrant layer etc bla bla works and last for more than 5 years with resale value.
Great video thanks ✨
Snapdragon year by year is getting bad... But mediatek has improve a lot.. Can't wait for Dimensity 9000🤩
they are getting bad bcos they made a bad choice by using scamsung.. big mistake
Great review
Anything with Samsung is wrong. That's pretty much it. TSMC is so much better than Samsung, and basically when snapdragon 8gen1 made by them (TSMC) rolls out, all these problems will be past. All the issues 8gen1 currently have are Samsung related.
What do you think about iPad mini A15 vs soon released tab S8 with SD 8 gen1?
@Golden Reviewer If we get 60.9 in this test on phone case - can you please check battery temperature? Do you also check second run of this stress test (for total 40 min)? Does temperature getting even higher? Thanks for answer!
For pure Arm design like Mediatek it somehow balance between CPU and GPU..when Qualcomm made it..it kinda feels like Qualcomm just slapped it with an RTX gpu with no changes in CPU..
People are overreacting. 99% of the new chip on the phone users will never stress the cpu like a benchmark. all of them will browse the internet and social media apps. take pictures and light gaming like candy crush or something.
I'm still use SD 865+ in 2022..it stable system..average temperature in 36 - 40c ..that just nice
nice info video❤
In a year's time, I won't be surprised that the cpu will short cct with the need of a complete motherboard replacement.
It is a well known fact that excessive heat destroys semiconductor structures causing unwanted current to flow in opposite directions.
Also, It is quite simple to make a cpu look great by clocking it up. The problem is if it can handle the extra stress. The A15, 5 core bionic is clocked at 3.23 Ghz and barely reaches 34°c. Why, because Apple releases true finished quality and well tested products irrelevant of the competition. That is WHY their prices are higher apart from the very expensive stainless steel frame.
Hope Qualcomm does not take Samsung exynos route in releasing half finished products, now even in software.
Thanks for the very well, professional video and true info on these overhyped soc's. Just subscribed 🙂🙂
I am using mi10 which has sd865, is that good enough to keep it until next sd comes out, sd888 annoyed and it happens again with 8gen 1. Is that big jump from sd865 to mtk9000 or should I keep it further, thank you in advance for answering
Honestly it depends on your needs, I'm still using 845 from Poco F1. Still run genshin medium 30, bloom off.not really a genshin fan tho I'm more of ps2 emulation.
Great video ,thx for info :)
What do you think about dinestiny 1200 overall as performanse???
I have xiaomi Mi 11 T with that chip
But it is that the 8 gen 1 was manufactured by Samsung, and they themselves said that they will break ties with Samsung and the 8 gen 1 that continue to be manufactured by tsmc, so let's see what happens
No they have a 5 year contract
Do you have this chart for mid range SoCs? Like Dimensity 800, 810, 700, Snapdragon 480, 600series ,732, 765, 778
Both 888 and 8 gen1 are both powerful but burns like hell. Thats why i stepped down to 870. Its optimzed for low to med temps and low power consumption. And im waiting for the Dimensity 9000.
Hey golden reviewer! I have a question, how are you managed to hide Navigation Gestures on S21 Ultra and Poco F3 (other androids)? Please answer I also want to hide my navigation gestures
just put some ice in the back of your phone to keep the performance intact
Very detailed review.
The SD865 is more than enough for me on my LG V60.
I wonder if my Note S10+5G will go up in value because of SD 8 gen 1. I think I will keep it a while longer. Thanks for this review. It cuts right to the heart of the matter!
Apple is slowly winning the war. Android smartphone only have the fast charging speed. Otherwise, an iPhone is better everywhere else.
If I can't have a jack or a sd card what is the benefits of buying and Android flagship? The price ? Not anymore...
My next phone will be an iPhone 14 Max and I will keep it 5 years without the doubt of getting updates
This comment is 100% true. Not even battery is better on Androids. And camera (especially Video) too.
Apple isn't winning war, it has simply better manufacture in TSMC.
If same sd 8 gen 1 was made on tsmc rather than samsung, it would be very much efficient.
But yeah we should blame Qualcomm for still sticking with samsung foundry.
Note: they have already started developing sd 8 gen 2 which will release in May next year and it will manufactured on tsmc
@@drmujeebhamid3560 blame QC ? Blame other chip makers first before you should blame QC. QC just want the best in their SOC products just becoz tsmc is working packs or max capacity with others chip makers + chip shortage is here becoz of pandemic that's the reason why QC could not get that in the tsmc node still can't blame that
@@thebrightstar3634 u have got to be kidding me if u think that is the reason.
Itz only about money. Tsmc said to them, that it will cost more money but bcz Qualcomm had to make profit for themselves too , they opted for cheaper samsung nodes.
For ur kind info, Qualcomm still uses tsmc as a manufacturer for lot of its chips like 870, 860 and whatnot.
And here when tsmc asked for bit more money , qc altogether ditched it.
Guess where did it take it ?
Back to tsmc.
Now it is begging tsmc to make sd 8 gen 2, which will be due to release in May next year.
iPhonea are filled with bugs, few gets fixed just to introduce more bugs, this is why android is a default choice for everybody, it just works. iPhone is yet to catch with feautures like split screen, periscope zoom, quick charging, side loading, true multitasking, proper file menagment. You think your overpriced one trick pony is better then anything else on the market.
SD888's CPU has bottleneck effect on it's graphic and eventually the overall performance would be affected! How this architecture performed by Qualcomm??!!! Anyway I love my POCO F3 and am be waiting for MIUI 13 that would be released in the future days!
Same here using poco f3 till this day as my daily driver while having a dedicated gaming phone only for games and media consumption like watching anime and movies
And I'm here, still sitting happy wuth my SD845, which has never failed me so far.
45° c after 1 run of antutu??? Omg that's hot!
And 60°+ in the wildlife extreme stress test, incredible! You can cook an egg on it!
Nice lunch in your avatar.
Can we see these tests again for better OEMs that'll use 8 Gen 1.
Did you test SD778 efficiency?!?
There's always NO2, just keep a thermos filled with you at all times so you can splash some liquid nitrogen on that little nuclear reactor and problem solved. No seriously this chip should only be used inside tablets with beefed up heatsinks. Next gen of phones should just use Intel processors, shouldn't make any difference in thermals.
Man that 140° fahrenheit... That's insanely hot
888 part 2? 🤔
A true SD810 successor
I hope SD8Gen1 isn't the next 888
I remember how the pattern SD 808 > 810 > 820 in the past
They're Rivaling with intel in Asus Zenfone for Heat
True, I use Mi4C(sd808) back then and its real hell iron
I had sd 820 and it did heat but not that much
@@xstongames4778 820 is almost better until 821.
they stabling it out to the 835, until 845, 855
And Finnaly the best is 865 so far.
the plus variant is OC so they are hot (845+ 855+ 865+)
@@faisiriandi7736 I currently have 855 and it's amazing , doesn't heat and throttle at all
it'll last me until the next COOL Snapdragon like 8gen 2 or 3 even
@@xstongames4778 yup, the heat problem is going on anticipated by them. So many report problem everywhere.
I hope 2023-2025 will be Peak Quality for the best Processor released.
It is not about how well the performance is. It is about how hot the temp will be. No matter how fast the smartphone, consider smartphones these days with a thin design it wont perform at its best and it is uncomfortable for hands
This is why Qualcomm will release 8 gen 2 in may by TSMC because of high power efficiency and heating
is TSMC good at making chipsets?
@@sprazini3014 they have the best node at the moment
@@sprazini3014 yes. Did you watch the sustain performance of 870 and Apple chips? Which are made by TSMC. Qualcomm's bad days started when they switched to Samsung.
@@faisalrahman9236 ohh thanks bro. 👍
Yeah Qualcomm is feeling that mediatek pressure, if they had no competition they would have just let the same bad heating chipset be the only one for the year like the 888
what do u record with?
Now what if they instead put this chipset on bigger and wider devices like tablets? That way the heat should dissipate/ spread better. And with cooler, should be even cooler ;)
I noticed my Snapdragon 888 Oppo Find X3 Pro runs cool while I'm using it, casually, even after 1 hour of gaming the phone doesn't get too hot, like I can continue using without having to let the phone cool down, I'm pretty impressed with Snapdragon 888 ☺️
I think that's because Oppo slightly limits the performance of the Snapdragon 888, unless you turn on the "Performance mode" or use a cooler.
X3 pro... GB5 multicore is about 3350, 13% lower than unlimited 888, that's why it's now so hot
@@muhammadnaufala9890 I think it's better to limit it
I prefer my fingers not burnt lol
@@enam0001 That's right. Though, limiting it too much wouldn't be good. The Mi 11T Pro limits it's Snapdragon 888 so much that it's both slower and still hotter than the SD870.
tbh the temperature is just half the fault of the bad cpu and most likely just motorola cheaping out on cooling
Bruh 61C on the external isnt the cooling's fault. A cooling systems job is to bring out all that heat from the inside to the front glass or back panel (its passive). The SOC shud throttle off instead of going behind performance and risking the battery explosion. 61C on the outside means 90-100+c inside the core. Either Motorola didnt do its job of letting the CPU Throttle post certain temperature limit or it the SOC overrode the kernel and never stopped.
People really think that cooling system's job is to eliminate the heat but its just to dissipate the heat
Motorola doesen't have optimization on its UI
@@hades_bre8739 but the internal heat is so bad. and even if it works and moves the heat you end up touching a 60°C phone
Please make a comparison with the dimensity 9000 processor and the Qualcomm processor, I think the cause of the heat is the manufacturing technology between Samsung and TSMC
People in the Antarctica : Finally a phone for us.
TSMC's N4 is better than Samsung LP4N architecture. Samsung isna worst pick for Fabrication nodes
Samsung 4nm node is fucking inferior as compared to TSMC
Hey, Can you do a Gaming Benchmark Video on Google Pixel 6 Pro with a Mobile Cooler ?
All hail the legendry samsung foundry.
I really don't understand why Qualcomm would stick with them. Ok tsmc will charge extra money, let it be. It is a flagship, and flagships are already expensive, of if they are expensive further by $50, be it, atleast we will have a better performance, experience and offcourse those bragging rights
Sadly the chip shortage has lead qualcomm to opt for samsung
It's not really about saving money but about producing enough chips. Dimensity 9000 devices will either be regularly out of stock or there will be very few phones with it.
We can't expect to cool these phone passively anymore, a slab of aluminum doesn't cut it to stay at 100% performance. You'll need a thermal electric cooler which is what I use. And you'll get the whole performance.
8 gen 1 or 888 who's better for gaming
You are absolutely right! I made a similar comparison video in italian. The problem Is that It was manufactured by Samsung
I reckon the 8Gen1 uses thermal throttling as a profile manager. It has explosive speed to get a task done asap however if it is say a gaming session, or something that requires sustained performance, the heat causes the cores to downclock and doing so it puts them in a much more efficient performance window.
It is very telling however that the likes of the blackshark gaming phone went with the 870 and based on the results above for sustained performance and efficiency I see why. I also see why the last gen phones using the 888 aren't completely obliterated by the 8 Gen 1 devices in real world scenarios.
Another talking point is the use of 7xx chips over the 7gen1. I have yet to see a phone that has opted for the 7gen1 chip which may come down to price, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a performance choice too.
You can see the worst four efficient chips are all from Samsung fabs, from the Exynos to the Tensor and SD8 Gen 1! Thankfully most consumers are unaware that they are receiving poorly efficient chips otherwise these phones would rightly fail in sales. For most users that do not play games the SD8 Gen 1 should be okay but for gaming fans, wait for a Dimensity or the TSMC SD8 Gen 2. If you live in a cold country the SD8 Gen 1 phones will be a boom as handwarmers and would be a good choice, but in tropical regions the SD8 will be useless.
Also the 350w 3090
@@skyemperor2357 No one cares about gaming PC GPU wattage.
Average consumers dont care, even snapdragon 750 is enough for average consumer.
@@nikola9629 No at least an A11 or higher chip otherwise not enough to handle modern applications smoothly
Exynos2100 is more efficent than 888 so so os tensor
may i ask when will you review genshin impact on xiaomi pad 5 ?
lets wait for 9000
The A15 Bionic is still king in this department id say. Can't wait to see the A16!!
Google made the right decision to ditch Qualcomm when they did. Maybe Samsung exynos chip will perform better? Historically that wasn't the case but that was back during the heyday of the 8:55 and 65
You are really content creator
Hey man , can you show the difference on s21 ultra camera exynos on android 11 and 12
Android 12 didnt exist yet for anyone
@@WololoWololo2 mine is running android 12 one ui 4
@@natonuke134 It is Android 11 One Ui 4, Android 12 didnt exist
@@WololoWololo2 bruh it clearly says android 12
@Wololo Wololo2 lol Android 12 doesn't exist? are u sure??
I have a Note 20 Ultra and was considering getting an S22 Ultra (Hong Kong import as I live in the UK) - But this is a real concern. It seems that for CPU, they just bumped the frequency to unreasonable clocks, using way too much power and gaining about 15C over the 865, for very little improvement in performance (which means, like with desktop hardware, they're running it beyond optimal performance per watt, essentially throwing huge voltage and wattage at it to gain a few % in benchmarks)
The CPU side lets it down. I'd have actually preferred to get the same score as an 888 on CPU and see the GPU boost, and them just market the GPU 40% increase over "last gen" and list CPU as "on par" with the 888 and run it at 2.8Ghz, saving 10 - 15c and a lot of power.
So now I'm stuck. Keep my Note 20 Ultra, or get a Exynos 2200 model of the S22 Ultra? Or be patient and see if the Gen 1 ends up being more stable in "release" hardware of a higher standard. Moto are not know for decent cooling
Bro, do a benchmark throttling test of SD8 gen1, A15, Sd888 etc
Premium Mini Heater for winter !!
I'm so glad that I bought my Poco F3 coz it's plenty fast for my needs and it's relatively cool than snap 888 phones.
The problem is these chips don't even have a freaking fan gets only comparitively hot while a massive desktop CPU has ten thousand fans and still remains hot. To miniature the size is the biggest hurdle in this system.
On technick channel it was also touching+ 50°c 🔥 which is bad . Performance is best . I am actually disappointed with 8 gen 1
Is it snapdragon 8 gen 1 that is disappointing or is it Motorola? Of all the features that SD 8 gen1 has; Motorola implemented nothing from those features. I'm an Apple guy and Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 got me interested of the camera recording abilities it has. I hope another brand uses the features better.
@@webinatic216 also they can be gimmick
Let's see forward to other brands how they perform
@@SIDDHANT101 It would be really bad for Snapdragon brand if they lied about the new features.
@@webinatic216 honestly,most of the offerings are gonna go to waste becuz android oems are too lazy to implement the advantages 8 gen 1 brings
Appreciate it ❤️