we need more reviewers like this in english speaking world. 90% of them are just running geekbench and Asphalt 9 for 5 minutes and call the chip "amazing".
Preach. Actually chinese tech medias are doing so many tests and benchmarks to test a new chip. They usually review a phone like a laptop or desktop. They not only focus on daily uses but also on detailed things like thermal or push it to the limit and see what it capable of. we see those kinda of reviews a lot in China but not very often on RUclips or more specific on English speaking RUclipsrs. Yeah, we definitely need more.
Hey max, I bet your bias towards apple will gobble this up. The phones that are out with SD 8 gen 1 now have poorly optimised software and are rushed to the market. Let's wait till more more companies release their phones with better software like samsung, and then criticise it if things don't change.
@@Anonymous-qb4vc laughs in India More mega pixels= more dslr quality photo Indian tech scene is preety new and most of the smart phone buyers are teenagers (mostly) . Well of millennials buys iPhone. And they test( lol play) pubg because it's popular and people buys mobile phones solely because of it. The annoying part is that you can't search a RUclips video by country it's just annoying. I don't watch Indian tech youtubers but many people do with little to no tech knowledge
I just stumbled upon this review due to YT recommendations and I can say that I'm happy that this was recommended. Compared to the usual phone reviews, e.g. Marques Brown Lee's channel, these types of reviews talking about the CPU itself will make me really think twice about buying a new phone. I don't care if the phone has all the latest and greatest features available if the CPU is not worth upgrading to compared to my current phone running SD 865. Keep on doing what you do best guys!
If you have an 865 then there's no need to upgrade anytime soon. That chip will keep performing great for years to come. I'm on an 855 (technically an 860 but it's the same chip essentially) and I don't intend to upgrade within at least the next 6 years. Ideally, I'm gonna try to keep my current phone well into the next decade. Throwing away a perfectly good phone just to have the latest chip is extremely wasteful.
@@Some-guy-on-the-internet Unless your phone company simply turns your access off. Spint stopped giving my Note 5 access in 2020 after four years and I was forced to upgrade, choosing LG ThinQ with the 865. I may upgrade now to position myself for a better upgrade in a year or two, knowing a newer phone will rate a better trade-in then.
Even my rusty 835 chipset still able to take on everyday tasks and gaming (still able to get genshin class game @highest setting 30fps), and I'm still using it till today. You with your 865 should not be worry about changing your phone anytime soon.
That's because he reviews stuff based on average daily use, not technical benchmarks which most users except the hardcore gamers don't even care about. If your phone can still run your day to day stuff smoothly, there is no need to upgrade.
I really appreciate that you had so much details covered in the original Chinese review but I didn't expect there was an English version, cheers. In regards to the topic of the video, Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is yet another letdown from Qualcomm, thinking that they'd realise their mistakes. It'd be more suitable to be put in a tablet rather than a phone. Now I'm hoping they can make a successor to Snapdragon 778G.
I think the 778G is perfectly fine and I don't think it needs a successor per se. There isn't much too improve. It's probably the best chip in terms of performance to money ratio, and that's basically what they aim for with that SoC. Rather there should be a strong premium chip based on TSMC's 6nm process. Basically a Snapdragon 870 but more modern and with TSMC's 6nm process. They should call it Snapdragon 875, and it could be Qualcomm's most efficient SoC.
@@petouser Sure it is fine, I'd say even Snapdragon 730 is more than enough but that shouldn't be an excuse for Qualcomm to remain stagnant. What I liked about the Snapdragon 778G is that the clock speeds are modest but still performs well and has the latest features along with being efficient on 5nm Samsung EUV. The weakest point would be its GPU perf. However, the existence of 870 is strange which is essentially a rebranded S865 aimed to compete with the likes of slightly revised Dimensity 1200 and Exynos 1080. Now that there are small leaks of upcoming midrange chipsets from Mediatek and Samsung tuned for the best nodes, Qualcomm will be playing catch up if they do not release an updated chipset. Snapdragon "875" on 6nm TSMC would be better but it wouldn't sound as good on paper as chipsets on 5nm even if those did worse plus S888 and 8G1 are on 5nm. But if they don't upgrade, it might not matter considering Qualcomm's marketing and market share. All of this is merely theorising anyways.
Yeah he did a relatively good job in my opinion, but I think this is mainly due to his great work on copywriting (plus I've watched the Chinese version of this video beforehand). If im being honest, it feels weird if u don't turn on subtitles cuz he's not pronouncing everything properly especially when he gets excited. Anyways, not a bad start overall but if they wanted to be another version of linus, its necessary to get a fluent speaker in the first place. 倒是我也没想到他还做了个英文版本，就是吐字不清影响观感，得开字幕缓解
@@DeathStriker88 it would have just gotten bigger and bigger Its nothing but a rebrand The only meaningfull thing thing thus soc adds on top of the 888 is that it being Arm v9
@@DeathStriker88 It always depends on your demands. I have an 860 smartphone and i am pleased, sure you can't get 60fps and high details on the 2 or 3 most demanding titles like Genshin but in the end nether does 8 Gen 1 really does it anyway.
I traded my Xiaomi Mi 11 (SD888) to an Asus ROG Phone 3 (SD865+). The Mi 11 heats up really fast, even while just casual use like browsing, to the point where it is aleady uncomfortable to touch. I already tried flashing a custom ROM and playing around the kernel settings, downclocking, still heats up fast. And now we have benchmarks proving that the latest Snapdragon chip suffers the same issue of the SD888. I am glad I chose to downgrade to SD865+. It is really a stable chip, especially on sustained performance.
@@exe9790 I'm sure that's because of the power-hungry Cortex-X1 core and the Samsung process node (though, I'm sure that even if SD855 and SD865 was made on a Samsung node, it's still wouldn't have been this hot)
Applause from a Bilibili follower! Glad that you made another version of English for worldwide geeks. Chinese RUclipsrs can also make great English IT videos. Come on you Geekerwan! Follow the channel guys.
We'll see how the Dimensity 9000 and the Exynos 2200 perform. The thermal situation might just be Qualcomm's implementation of the new ARMv9 cores, and does not represent the architecture at all. It's like the Snapdragon 810 fiasco all over again, which was specifically an issue with Qualcomm's own design.
@@carlocarnevali7790 mediatek still exists, the tensor chip from Google still exists, kirin still exists, anddd Samsung is gonna do something with amd apparently for exynos so even tho this chip is a disappointment, there still alot of options and things to get excited for.
I was an ex SD888 user and downgrade to SD870 and I'm glad I did and probably I'm gonna skip this one.. more heat, more battery life.. Qualcomm needs to turn back to TSMC
I think they were kind of forced to use Samsung because TSMC was drowing in chip demants and would probably have a hard time fullfilling their wishes. Smartphones sell tons now our days and Qualcom will need very big quantities. TSMC is making sao many chips for so many companies right now that It will never manage to fullfill them. Evev as it is plenty of 2021 model smartphones are out of stock due to chip shortage.
@@shikitono5643 hey about bs4, how is joyui for you? I know it is just a reskinned miui, but does it have miui issue? Bloatwares, ads and stuff running in background? Idk why it's hard to find information on bs4.
This video encompasses all the reasons why I didn't bother waiting for next year's flagships. I don't really understand much of this very well but Qualcomm needs some kind of overhaul to pull their shit together. This is the 3rd or 4th chipset in a row that's just terrible but what I'm most surprised about is the fact that they managed to make one that's worse than the SD 888.
Got it in my recommendation, watching the video and immediately subscribed. Technical aspect described heavily and so detail and elaborate us not to be trapped on marketing bullsh°t. Thank you and please keep on making this type of video!
Yup, this confirms a lot of the earlier rumors about this chip. At this point, qualcomm should just pair that gpu with the 865's cpu and we'd have a chip with reasonably high specs all around. They released the 888 and 8 gen 1 cpus just have an unreasonable power draw and thermal management.
At this point, qualcomm should just pair that gpu with the 865's cpu and we'd have a chip with reasonably high specs all around. This won't help as he showed that in Genshin Impact, the GPU utilization didn't go above 50-60%. Meaning it is the CPU that is holding fps back. If you pair 865's CPU with 8G1's GPU the GPU utilization won't go above 35-40%. It is better to pair the 865 CPU with a GPU which is less powerful. If you do that.. you will get S865 CPU with S865 GPU. So.. yeah. Android flagships' chipsets haven't improved much since 2019 when it comes to performance at a reasonable power consumption.
@@shinobi_endure You may have a point. I based my better gpu + 865 cpu = good argument on the cpu/gpu utilization numbers from game turbo/armory crate. On the mi 10T pro /mi 11 / ROG 5, the utilization percentages show 60% cpu, 80-something gpu so I assumed the gpu is the cause for the bottleneck. I didn't fully account for the inaccuracy of built in monitoring apps. We are on the same page with qualcomm's extremely inefficient chips tho.
It seems they are suffering with the Samsung cooperation. They got better SoCs when TSMC was making them. Notice how Exynos is also known for heating too much and throttling and this was actually the weakness of Exynos against Snapdragon when TSMC was producing Snapdragon.
I'm very impressed with how far smartphone chips have come, especially the single threaded performance is great and soon better than my old desktop gaming PC in that regard 😆
@@squidscrew1339 if you are speaking about old pentium 3 555hertz or even a 1 gigahertz old computer I can see your point. But I have seen this comment with people thinking that their 2020 phone with 32 cores and 4gigahertz, it's somehow more powerful than their 2018 16 cores 2 gigahertz pc.
@@christiangonzalez6945 why u are going for 16 cores ? I think most of the guys will be using PC with 8 cores or less. Even i3 is still 4 cores. before some years ago even i3 was 2 cores and 4 threads. And if u look into laptop still both Intel (i3 11th) and amd have 2 core processor (ryzen 3). Btw there is no 32 cores smartphone processor..bt 8 cores flagship smartphone processors are better than 5 year old i3 2 cores & 4 thread processors(like i3 7100u ).
I’m glad I found this channel. It’s so much different than regular phone reviews. You really set the bar high for others. I cannot wait for you to review the Tensor chip, I’m sure that’s going to be a very interesting video. Subscribed!
@@da14a49 Genshin's Optimisation is fairly good. Even My Snapdragon 765 can hold 29FPS average for 6 hours at maxed out settings. It's not the game being unoptimized, it's the Chip having the same power consumption as your average Notebook CPU, they don't even have a air cooler. My CPU is a 3W at max CPU, And my phone can get also rid from 3W of heat. However, the Snap 8 gen 1 peaks at fukin 15Watts. Throw that thing into a Notebook, but who's Idea was it to use that in a phone? Genshin isn't perfectly optimized, there are some minor grafic glitches, and some Lags after Teleport that can be blamed to it. Otherwise, how good Genshin runs is half depending on your CPU Performance, but also equally as much the power consumption of it. And 3W CPU really seems to be the limit. If you turn your Flagship phone in a low performance mode, you will see it actually running Genshin better long therm.
I just really liked that he went for a Liyue Harbor test instead of Windrise Most reviewers just avoid going to Liyue Harbour because it got lots of buildings and most chips perform poorly there
Using Geekbench 5 to compare CPU it's not in depth... The GPU analysis was in depth though.. I guess we will have to wait for anandtech to get a in depth CPU analysis..
Same here I was going to update my note 20 ultra 5g to the note 22 ultra but I'm just going to keep my note 20 ultra 5g if I do upgrade I'll get the s21 ultra
You should be bigger for sure! The quality of just this video is 10x better than any other YTer reviewing mobile tech. Great job on explaining some of the more technical stuff to a generic audience as well!
This guy is amazing, he provides actual comparisons of chipsets rather than phones and over that he explains the power consumption and throttling effects in detail... these are things that you are actually supposed to know about a chipset rather than its peaks. Keep up the good work my g
Keep in mind that the early Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was made by Samsung, and they've always had thermal throttling issues in the past. Because Apple booked majority of TSMC's 5nm process, they didn't have much of a choice. Good news is that Snapdragon will slowly move to TSMC as more slots are available.
Hoping the Nuvia acquisition become fruitful and they can bring Snapdragon Nuvia level to combat Apples M1 and A15 bionic plus Mediatek Dimensity series....
Now this is the channel which gives information with knowledge 👍👍 . . Different from all thoose same type of tech channel running around...who are just there to endorse product. . U have done a good job here 👍
We need more videos like this so that companies don't get lazy, Qualcomm SD8GEN1 and Samsungs Exynos 2200 had massive hype behind it before release but they both fairly lackluster so far, I hope they can improve things with software updates.
It's good to get actual indepth analysis. Just shows that geek bench tells very little about how it will actually perform. Sad thing is I' don't think snapdragon will ever catch up to apple. Unless they actually get competition from other Chip makers to force the innovation. Here's hoping the Mediatek chips gets in more phones
We had the first warnings of low efficiency with the Exynos. Then Google with their bugged Tensor, pivoted to the Samsung process and new cores. Now the 888 Gen 1. It seems that Qualcomm did a pivot from smartphones to industrial servers and found a way for phone users to pay for the change, that will take a couple more years before returning to the old yearly incremental improvements. I have phones with 730G and 750G, which are mightly quick and run on fumes...
Is this channel new? This is just the right mix of technical discussion + good presentation. Most other channels with good/great presentation are basically spec sheets made into a video/geekbench/1-2 games "test"... And most channels discussion the technical aspect have the worst presentation and just not that engaging to watch unless you really know your stuff.
yes and no, they started as a Chinese channel and got a lot of viewers in China, and they are starting to make the English version on some of their Chinese videos. I thought they are going for subtitles, but his is doing Great with English.
Hi🙂, i discovered your channel just now. It's been years now that I was convinced that the snapdragons were amazing with huge improvement every year... What a disappointment, how is that possible that your channel is the only one that talks about the reality beyond? Anyway, thanks for the videos and you got a new subscriber 👍🤝.
I do agree it’s a piece of shi* . The Samsung process node or the arm cores , not sure which is more to blame but both are uninspiring. Arms cores have always been a far cry from what apple produces and … ya , the Samsung process nodes usually aren’t that bad but not as good as tsmc . More power hungry and slower than apple still , man this is getting ridiculous. It’s the same story again. The last snapdragon I was excited about was the 855. The 855 was actually quite competitive with the A12 and it was also very power efficient. I want those good days back
I still run an 855 with a 3400mah battery (Galaxy S10) and it lasts the entire day with pretty normal usage, smoothly at that. Makes me get the feeling that they don't actually make power usage improvements with each SOC release, but instead focuses the benefits of a smaller node on performance improvements just for marketing.
I'm gonna see how the S22 handles the Gen 1 with optimization, colling etc when it comes out as if it sucks I may either got team apple for first time or wait till S23
Very interesting video! I appreciate it! It's just me thinking but you probably used a prototype phone. So I guess there is a good chance that the phones sold are getting optimized better. The Xiaomi 12 is already released in China but I guess it will receive some software optimization. Anyway, it's funny how the Snapdragon 865/865+/870 is still the benchmark as the most efficient qualcomm phone. In my opinion, Qualcomm should make a flagship chip based on TSMC's 6nm process since that's the best what they can get from TSMC currently. I'm looking forward to how the MediaTek 9000 will compete.
Just found your channel. Was super excited for snapdragon 8 gen 1 after the hype it got. Thanks for a clear and objective review. I'm off to binge more content from your channel.
If next year's 8 gen2 is built with TSMC's 4nm process (like the Dimensity 9000 chip), maybe the power consumption can be improved, but it doesn't rule out that Qualcomm Snapdragon just doesn't want to do it well
Best break down on the 8 gen 1. What a disappointment. Waiting for a dimensity 9000 one and if that's not up to standard then I guess next year might be better. Or just go for a new iPhone with the new A16 towards the end of the year. Still stuck on a snapdragon 865 device cause of these shitty 888 and 8 gen 1 chips.
Hmm I want to see how well Samsung manages to optimise the chip first. Given it's brand new in so many ways it might just be too difficult for other company's to utilise properly. Saw the Sam thing last year with the 888 where the performance of the chip was SIGNIFICANTLY better on phones launched towards the end of last year. If that's the case then I guess I'm expecting 1300 single core & 3900 multi core
No. It’s just slightly better thermos control on the later phones… For example Galaxy S21 Ultra has one of the worst thermos design among all SD 888 Phones, with extremely conservative software strategy and very good screen refresh rate management, so at least the basic experience is smooth and customers won’t feel that hot/power-hungry. But the price is for example the significant worse gaming frame rate, and overall power efficiency is still worse than SD865/870 phones, software management can’t change it.
As a european I'm more exited for the exynos 2200 anyways, with its AMD GPU and presumably even higher clockspeeds than snapdragon although power efficiency was never good on exynos chips. But lets see... maybe they did some great work
Since when did cell phone manufacturers have to cater to the incel cult 🤔 It's a cellphone!!! Not a gaming device!!! What the hell is all this complaining about??
@@Young_Dab Looks like those 'incels' are out-purchasing gigachads like yourself seeing as how the market dances at their fingertips. Why don't you guys try to be less poor and buy more so you can influence decisions that manufacturers make?
@@Rahim-444 ur right it causes overheating, if they don't reduce the TDP. They have to reduce the TDP, and make the chip bit larger. Snapdragon 888+ has 10 billion transistor count with TDP 10w and A15 bionic has 15 billion transistor count with TDP 6w. And A15 bionic doesn't face any heating issue as much as Snapdragon 888. (I don't know all details about Snapdragon 8 gen 1).
@@Rahim-444 Does Snapdragon Engineers didn't think about this? They know this better than us, then why don't they design those type of processor?? Its all about the cost and profit margin. Lage chip size, high transistor count and more CPU cache, makes it production very expensive, with slightly better performance and efficiency, then their current sd 888. But for Apple production cost and profit margin is not a problem, as their products and services are already expensive, so they easily make profit.
I'm pretty sure that you're not an SoC engineer, so what you're speaking is completly non-sense. First of all, qualcomm needs to sell the chip, because they don't sell smartphones like apple does. So if they are not competite, keeping the price low with good performance, manufactures will go to someone else, ex Mediatek.
Dude. Your content is so good. At least based on this video. Production quality is so high. So much knowledge being imparted in such a simplified and fun way. Nothing about it seems cheap or amateurish or even boring. How the fuck do you only have 25k subs?
@@Otaku-og7xf yes, I realized this shortly after posting this comment. This was his first video that I watched. RUclips randomly recommended it to me. They did good for once.
I think Qualcomm is intentionally degrading the performance of sd8g1 because in a year or two they might be releasing their own NUVIA architecture CPU; just like Apple did with intel ones jst before M1. Afterall Mediatek 9000 is also equipped with such similar core config but its much better.
we need more reviewers like this in english speaking world. 90% of them are just running geekbench and Asphalt 9 for 5 minutes and call the chip "amazing".
Preach. Actually chinese tech medias are doing so many tests and benchmarks to test a new chip. They usually review a phone like a laptop or desktop. They not only focus on daily uses but also on detailed things like thermal or push it to the limit and see what it capable of. we see those kinda of reviews a lot in China but not very often on RUclips or more specific on English speaking RUclipsrs. Yeah, we definitely need more.
Geekerwan is the top tech media in china, they did this type of testing many years , recently they start this youtube channel.
And they start the video off in English for the first few sentences and then all of a sudden they are speaking Hindi or Indonesian or something else
@@TheLemonyOrange Geekerwan target is to reach LTT level. Please don't compere Geekerwan to those you mentioning. LOL
@@SunnySzetoSz2000 I wasn't comparing to them, more of a contrast
You guys are awesome! So glad you made an English account!
So what's the name of there Chinese Chanel?
heyy you iSheep! GET OUT OF ANDROID AND WINDOWS CHANNELS
That's makes a lot more sense. I was wondering why they're production quality was so good.
Hey max, I bet your bias towards apple will gobble this up. The phones that are out with SD 8 gen 1 now have poorly optimised software and are rushed to the market. Let's wait till more more companies release their phones with better software like samsung, and then criticise it if things don't change.
@@dinkarfowkar999 What is wrong with you? Just stop dude, it's not that serious.
This feels like a university lecture in terms of depth compared to american reviewers, i really liked it, thank you sir
Seriously. Anandtech is the only American reviewer with this type of stuff.
Truly said
Compare to Indian reviewers it feels like whole new realm of phone knowledge as most Indian creators just recite specs and call it a review..
@@Anonymous-qb4vc laughs in India
More mega pixels= more dslr quality photo
Indian tech scene is preety new and most of the smart phone buyers are teenagers (mostly) . Well of millennials buys iPhone.
And they test( lol play) pubg because it's popular and people buys mobile phones solely because of it. The annoying part is that you can't search a RUclips video by country it's just annoying.
I don't watch Indian tech youtubers but many people do with little to no tech knowledge
@@Anonymous-qb4vc Some Indian reviewers doesn't even have the device itself .They most likely just reading the phone specs from website lmao
I just stumbled upon this review due to YT recommendations and I can say that I'm happy that this was recommended. Compared to the usual phone reviews, e.g. Marques Brown Lee's channel, these types of reviews talking about the CPU itself will make me really think twice about buying a new phone.
I don't care if the phone has all the latest and greatest features available if the CPU is not worth upgrading to compared to my current phone running SD 865.
Keep on doing what you do best guys!
If you have an 865 then there's no need to upgrade anytime soon. That chip will keep performing great for years to come. I'm on an 855 (technically an 860 but it's the same chip essentially) and I don't intend to upgrade within at least the next 6 years. Ideally, I'm gonna try to keep my current phone well into the next decade. Throwing away a perfectly good phone just to have the latest chip is extremely wasteful.
@@Some-guy-on-the-internet Unless your phone company simply turns your access off. Spint stopped giving my Note 5 access in 2020 after four years and I was forced to upgrade, choosing LG ThinQ with the 865. I may upgrade now to position myself for a better upgrade in a year or two, knowing a newer phone will rate a better trade-in then.
@@justindemoude520 I don't buy phones on contract with a carrier, so that's not a concern for me. I also use custom ROMs.
Even my rusty 835 chipset still able to take on everyday tasks and gaming (still able to get genshin class game @highest setting 30fps), and I'm still using it till today.
You with your 865 should not be worry about changing your phone anytime soon.
That's because he reviews stuff based on average daily use, not technical benchmarks which most users except the hardcore gamers don't even care about. If your phone can still run your day to day stuff smoothly, there is no need to upgrade.
I really appreciate that you had so much details covered in the original Chinese review but I didn't expect there was an English version, cheers. In regards to the topic of the video, Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is yet another letdown from Qualcomm, thinking that they'd realise their mistakes. It'd be more suitable to be put in a tablet rather than a phone. Now I'm hoping they can make a successor to Snapdragon 778G.
I think the 778G is perfectly fine and I don't think it needs a successor per se. There isn't much too improve. It's probably the best chip in terms of performance to money ratio, and that's basically what they aim for with that SoC. Rather there should be a strong premium chip based on TSMC's 6nm process. Basically a Snapdragon 870 but more modern and with TSMC's 6nm process. They should call it Snapdragon 875, and it could be Qualcomm's most efficient SoC.
@@petouser Sure it is fine, I'd say even Snapdragon 730 is more than enough but that shouldn't be an excuse for Qualcomm to remain stagnant. What I liked about the Snapdragon 778G is that the clock speeds are modest but still performs well and has the latest features along with being efficient on 5nm Samsung EUV. The weakest point would be its GPU perf.
However, the existence of 870 is strange which is essentially a rebranded S865 aimed to compete with the likes of slightly revised Dimensity 1200 and Exynos 1080. Now that there are small leaks of upcoming midrange chipsets from Mediatek and Samsung tuned for the best nodes, Qualcomm will be playing catch up if they do not release an updated chipset. Snapdragon "875" on 6nm TSMC would be better but it wouldn't sound as good on paper as chipsets on 5nm even if those did worse plus S888 and 8G1 are on 5nm.
But if they don't upgrade, it might not matter considering Qualcomm's marketing and market share. All of this is merely theorising anyways.
@@zarent01 870 is a overclocked 865+
Where can I get the link to his Chinese channel?
Mid range chips suck.
从没想到老哥英语也这么溜，没有一点违和感。三连。 Never ever wonder Yunfei got such fluent English. Bravo, man
He sounds like chinese version of Linus when speaking english lol
Yeah he did a relatively good job in my opinion, but I think this is mainly due to his great work on copywriting (plus I've watched the Chinese version of this video beforehand). If im being honest, it feels weird if u don't turn on subtitles cuz he's not pronouncing everything properly especially when he gets excited. Anyways, not a bad start overall but if they wanted to be another version of linus, its necessary to get a fluent speaker in the first place. 倒是我也没想到他还做了个英文版本，就是吐字不清影响观感，得开字幕缓解
Gen 1, very fitting name. As the first generation of anything usually sucks.
Its gen 1
Its just a rebrand other than in 5 years time "snapdragon gen 6" instead of "snapdragon 80945"
@@LightingX they could've named it 899 or 899+ as they always did before
@@DeathStriker88 it would have just gotten bigger and bigger
Its nothing but a rebrand
The only meaningfull thing thing thus soc adds on top of the 888 is that it being Arm v9
@@LightingX hmmm so... Will it be good if I went with a 860 or 865 SoC phone? I am trying to upgrade from a Mediatek Helio P60 from 2018
@@DeathStriker88 It always depends on your demands.
I have an 860 smartphone and i am pleased, sure you can't get 60fps and high details on the 2 or 3 most demanding titles like Genshin but in the end nether does 8 Gen 1 really does it anyway.
I hope you release more english reviews as your reviews are in depth and far better than what the bulk of most "youtubers" release as reviews
I traded my Xiaomi Mi 11 (SD888) to an Asus ROG Phone 3 (SD865+). The Mi 11 heats up really fast, even while just casual use like browsing, to the point where it is aleady uncomfortable to touch. I already tried flashing a custom ROM and playing around the kernel settings, downclocking, still heats up fast.
And now we have benchmarks proving that the latest Snapdragon chip suffers the same issue of the SD888. I am glad I chose to downgrade to SD865+. It is really a stable chip, especially on sustained performance.
why 888 heats up faster than my 855+
@@exe9790 I'm sure that's because of the power-hungry Cortex-X1 core and the Samsung process node (though, I'm sure that even if SD855 and SD865 was made on a Samsung node, it's still wouldn't have been this hot)
The Adreno 660 is maybe one of the reasons for the 888's heating issue. Its clock speed is much higher than Adreno 650 (587 vs 840MHz)
@@sokool3994 855 and 865 is TSMC btw
@@exe9790 Of course, I'm just saying that if the 855 and 865 was made with Samsung, it still won't be as hot as the 888.
上部片想起頻道密碼之後
就可以開始陸續發片了
Applause from a Bilibili follower! Glad that you made another version of English for worldwide geeks. Chinese RUclipsrs can also make great English IT videos. Come on you Geekerwan! Follow the channel guys.
我一直以为他们做英文内容也会大受欢迎的，大部分英文评测几乎是念参数，根本比不上中国的创作者有深度。
English version? Delicious. Now I can spam this to English based forums without translating half the video myself! Absolutely based.
Please do an english version of the D9K video too.
@@DSDSDS1235 lmao I had to look up for D9k and soon realise it's dimensity 9000.🤣
Seems like 2022 is going to be a year full of 5000 mAh phones getting 3 hours of SoT...
Laughs in iPhone Pro Max 13
Looks like 2022 is the year I switch to iPhone
We'll see how the Dimensity 9000 and the Exynos 2200 perform. The thermal situation might just be Qualcomm's implementation of the new ARMv9 cores, and does not represent the architecture at all. It's like the Snapdragon 810 fiasco all over again, which was specifically an issue with Qualcomm's own design.
Its snapdragpn 810 all over again
@@carlocarnevali7790 mediatek still exists, the tensor chip from Google still exists, kirin still exists, anddd Samsung is gonna do something with amd apparently for exynos so even tho this chip is a disappointment, there still alot of options and things to get excited for.
I was an ex SD888 user and downgrade to SD870 and I'm glad I did and probably I'm gonna skip this one.. more heat, more battery life.. Qualcomm needs to turn back to TSMC
SD865 / 865+ / 870 are the best SD SOCs
Same. I'm using Blackshark 4 and it's a great cheap gaming phone with a decent camera.
I think they were kind of forced to use Samsung because TSMC was drowing in chip demants and would probably have a hard time fullfilling their wishes. Smartphones sell tons now our days and Qualcom will need very big quantities. TSMC is making sao many chips for so many companies right now that It will never manage to fullfill them.
Evev as it is plenty of 2021 model smartphones are out of stock due to chip shortage.
@@shikitono5643 hey about bs4, how is joyui for you? I know it is just a reskinned miui, but does it have miui issue? Bloatwares, ads and stuff running in background? Idk why it's hard to find information on bs4.
Absolutely I just got the Motorola that uses that chip it's fast
Thank you. Finally a reviewer who's actually info the nitty gritties I like, not reading out a spec sheet :D kudos!
This video encompasses all the reasons why I didn't bother waiting for next year's flagships. I don't really understand much of this very well but Qualcomm needs some kind of overhaul to pull their shit together. This is the 3rd or 4th chipset in a row that's just terrible but what I'm most surprised about is the fact that they managed to make one that's worse than the SD 888.
Thanks for sharing! Really changed my mind on the latest android chipset.
bro you nailed it! We want more quality content for the upcoming dimensity 9000 and comparison with the crappy SD 8 gen 1!
Great review. I like how you present the CPU architecture in a very easy to understand way. Thank you.
Got it in my recommendation, watching the video and immediately subscribed. Technical aspect described heavily and so detail and elaborate us not to be trapped on marketing bullsh°t.
Thank you and please keep on making this type of video!
Yup, this confirms a lot of the earlier rumors about this chip. At this point, qualcomm should just pair that gpu with the 865's cpu and we'd have a chip with reasonably high specs all around. They released the 888 and 8 gen 1 cpus just have an unreasonable power draw and thermal management.
At this point, qualcomm should just pair that gpu with the 865's cpu and we'd have a chip with reasonably high specs all around.
This won't help as he showed that in Genshin Impact, the GPU utilization didn't go above 50-60%. Meaning it is the CPU that is holding fps back. If you pair 865's CPU with 8G1's GPU the GPU utilization won't go above 35-40%. It is better to pair the 865 CPU with a GPU which is less powerful. If you do that.. you will get S865 CPU with S865 GPU.
So.. yeah. Android flagships' chipsets haven't improved much since 2019 when it comes to performance at a reasonable power consumption.
@@shinobi_endure You may have a point. I based my better gpu + 865 cpu = good argument on the cpu/gpu utilization numbers from game turbo/armory crate. On the mi 10T pro /mi 11 / ROG 5, the utilization percentages show 60% cpu, 80-something gpu so I assumed the gpu is the cause for the bottleneck. I didn't fully account for the inaccuracy of built in monitoring apps. We are on the same page with qualcomm's extremely inefficient chips tho.
My new phone has that new 870 chip it's basically an overclocked 865 chip it's fast
It seems they are suffering with the Samsung cooperation. They got better SoCs when TSMC was making them. Notice how Exynos is also known for heating too much and throttling and this was actually the weakness of Exynos against Snapdragon when TSMC was producing Snapdragon.
@@michaelweeks9273 Poco F3?
I'm very impressed with how far smartphone chips have come, especially the single threaded performance is great and soon better than my old desktop gaming PC in that regard 😆
Nowadays smartphone processor are faster than Many of the old pc processor both in single and multi thread.
@@squidscrew1339 if you are speaking about old pentium 3 555hertz or even a 1 gigahertz old computer I can see your point.
But I have seen this comment with people thinking that their 2020 phone with 32 cores and 4gigahertz, it's somehow more powerful than their 2018 16 cores 2 gigahertz pc.
@@christiangonzalez6945 why u are going for 16 cores ? I think most of the guys will be using PC with 8 cores or less. Even i3 is still 4 cores. before some years ago even i3 was 2 cores and 4 threads. And if u look into laptop still both Intel (i3 11th) and amd have 2 core processor (ryzen 3).
Btw there is no 32 cores smartphone processor..bt 8 cores flagship smartphone processors are better than 5 year old i3 2 cores & 4 thread processors(like i3 7100u ).
Yup the a15 bionic is better than the i3 gen 10 and that's impressive
It's really awesome to see someone discuss the instruction set/ architecture for once.
Not just how it performs in stupid mobile games.
Think we just found Steve's GN counterpart for phone hardware review. Good stuff
没想到云飞的口语还不错 👍
I’m glad I found this channel. It’s so much different than regular phone reviews. You really set the bar high for others.
I cannot wait for you to review the Tensor chip, I’m sure that’s going to be a very interesting video.
Subscribed!
Agreed 👍
great review, I havent seen anything as good as this one in years
That video title really does hook in viewers! I would know, cause I got hooked.
Just Awesome review which is everyone wanted to see. Very detailed review, good job
I like how genshin is like the top of the curve for newest processor
Genshin doesn't have the best optimisation so it can push the processor's performancd compared to something like Asphalt 9.
@@da14a49 Genshin's Optimisation is fairly good. Even My Snapdragon 765 can hold 29FPS average for 6 hours at maxed out settings.
It's not the game being unoptimized, it's the Chip having the same power consumption as your average Notebook CPU, they don't even have a air cooler.
My CPU is a 3W at max CPU, And my phone can get also rid from 3W of heat.
However, the Snap 8 gen 1 peaks at fukin 15Watts. Throw that thing into a Notebook, but who's Idea was it to use that in a phone?
Genshin isn't perfectly optimized, there are some minor grafic glitches, and some Lags after Teleport that can be blamed to it.
Otherwise, how good Genshin runs is half depending on your CPU Performance, but also equally as much the power consumption of it.
And 3W CPU really seems to be the limit.
If you turn your Flagship phone in a low performance mode, you will see it actually running Genshin better long therm.
I just really liked that he went for a Liyue Harbor test instead of Windrise
Most reviewers just avoid going to Liyue Harbour because it got lots of buildings and most chips perform poorly there
I really appreciate your in depth SOC analysis. I've been looking for content like this for years.
Using Geekbench 5 to compare CPU it's not in depth... The GPU analysis was in depth though..
I guess we will have to wait for anandtech to get a in depth CPU analysis..
這個英文口說能力太猛了
This is the most detailed review i have ever seen on this specific chip with relevant information that makes everything make more sense
11 watts! That's approaching the infamous Snapdragon 810, which topped out at 14 watts.
No one has gone this in detail about cores!!!! Damn!! You nailed it 💥
thank you for this incisive analysis! you have helped me consider my smartphone purchasing trajectory for the next 12 months.
Same here I was going to update my note 20 ultra 5g to the note 22 ultra but I'm just going to keep my note 20 ultra 5g if I do upgrade I'll get the s21 ultra
This man
This gorgeous stud
Finally someone making true mobile tech stuff. Not just BS reading some numbers in some apps or off the effing box
BRO. That was a really good review. Hats off🔥🔥
dude ur videos r awesome
plz make video about 8+ gen 1
这英文真猛，接近本地水平，加油！！
LinusTechTips的老招牌就靠你来拆了！！
What an amazing review. Great work!
You should be bigger for sure! The quality of just this video is 10x better than any other YTer reviewing mobile tech. Great job on explaining some of the more technical stuff to a generic audience as well!
amazing video we need more comprehensive mobile chip reviewers like you
Man !! Keep up the good content 🔥🔥
This guy is amazing, he provides actual comparisons of chipsets rather than phones and over that he explains the power consumption and throttling effects in detail... these are things that you are actually supposed to know about a chipset rather than its peaks. Keep up the good work my g
Awesome review. Very thorough and engaging.
I just found out about your channel. it is so amazing. I wish I met you guys early
A correction: A510 cores are not always configured as twins. Eg. the Dimensity 9000 supposedly has 4 individual A510 cores.
Very good and on point content bro! Keep doing these!
Keep in mind that the early Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was made by Samsung, and they've always had thermal throttling issues in the past. Because Apple booked majority of TSMC's 5nm process, they didn't have much of a choice. Good news is that Snapdragon will slowly move to TSMC as more slots are available.
Holy sht this is like the Gamers Nexus/Hardware Unboxed of Mobile devices. damn good job! so much to learn here
Hoping the Nuvia acquisition become fruitful and they can bring Snapdragon Nuvia level to combat Apples M1 and A15 bionic plus Mediatek Dimensity series....
They don't need to combat M1. That's a desktop chip
@@theistnate but i have the M1 on my iPad already.
Nvidia acquisition is not good. It will lead to less competition
Now this is the channel which gives information with knowledge 👍👍
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Different from all thoose same type of tech channel running around...who are just there to endorse product.
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U have done a good job here 👍
This is good English! I'm impressed. Also the review was quality. I think I'll keep my S21 Ultra for 1 more year.
Wanna buy your S21 ultra. Let's deal! 😊
Amazing explanation and tests!! Really loved the architecture behind the chip.
We need more videos like this so that companies don't get lazy, Qualcomm SD8GEN1 and Samsungs Exynos 2200 had massive hype behind it before release but they both fairly lackluster so far, I hope they can improve things with software updates.
Thank goodness i found your channel, so much research and detailed info!
It's good to get actual indepth analysis. Just shows that geek bench tells very little about how it will actually perform. Sad thing is I' don't think snapdragon will ever catch up to apple. Unless they actually get competition from other Chip makers to force the innovation. Here's hoping the Mediatek chips gets in more phones
非常可惜HUAWEI的麒麟9000之后就没有了
Amazing review. Very good detail that is easy to understand. Hats off to you guys!!!
We had the first warnings of low efficiency with the Exynos. Then Google with their bugged Tensor, pivoted to the Samsung process and new cores.
Now the 888 Gen 1. It seems that Qualcomm did a pivot from smartphones to industrial servers and found a way for phone users to pay for the change, that will take a couple more years before returning to the old yearly incremental improvements.
I have phones with 730G and 750G, which are mightly quick and run on fumes...
Is this channel new? This is just the right mix of technical discussion + good presentation. Most other channels with good/great presentation are basically spec sheets made into a video/geekbench/1-2 games "test"... And most channels discussion the technical aspect have the worst presentation and just not that engaging to watch unless you really know your stuff.
yes and no, they started as a Chinese channel and got a lot of viewers in China, and they are starting to make the English version on some of their Chinese videos. I thought they are going for subtitles, but his is doing Great with English.
Hi🙂, i discovered your channel just now. It's been years now that I was convinced that the snapdragons were amazing with huge improvement every year... What a disappointment, how is that possible that your channel is the only one that talks about the reality beyond? Anyway, thanks for the videos and you got a new subscriber 👍🤝.
Great review man...And that voice..hahahha.
You are sounding just like Yoda.
Silicon Yoda that is.
I do agree it’s a piece of shi* . The Samsung process node or the arm cores , not sure which is more to blame but both are uninspiring. Arms cores have always been a far cry from what apple produces and … ya , the Samsung process nodes usually aren’t that bad but not as good as tsmc . More power hungry and slower than apple still , man this is getting ridiculous. It’s the same story again. The last snapdragon I was excited about was the 855. The 855 was actually quite competitive with the A12 and it was also very power efficient. I want those good days back
How about 870 ?
@@ThatDruidDude very much good if you buy an iQOO 7
I still run an 855 with a 3400mah battery (Galaxy S10) and it lasts the entire day with pretty normal usage, smoothly at that. Makes me get the feeling that they don't actually make power usage improvements with each SOC release, but instead focuses the benefits of a smaller node on performance improvements just for marketing.
@@yasu_red exactly
the last good snapdragon was the 870. or basically 865+. 888 series repeating the dreaded history of 810
But for perfomanse fps better is 888
@@danieltosic6213for like 2 minutes.
Really good review. And delivery thanks
you should add a test beyond "nightmare": 30 degrees C, 500 nits, 5G, Genshin max settings 60fps
this is a thorough analysis .......great work ,want more videos like this
I'm gonna see how the S22 handles the Gen 1 with optimization, colling etc when it comes out as if it sucks I may either got team apple for first time or wait till S23
Man!
You are the reviewer I was searching for all those years..
keep it up man!
Very interesting video! I appreciate it!
It's just me thinking but you probably used a prototype phone. So I guess there is a good chance that the phones sold are getting optimized better. The Xiaomi 12 is already released in China but I guess it will receive some software optimization.
Anyway, it's funny how the Snapdragon 865/865+/870 is still the benchmark as the most efficient qualcomm phone. In my opinion, Qualcomm should make a flagship chip based on TSMC's 6nm process since that's the best what they can get from TSMC currently.
I'm looking forward to how the MediaTek 9000 will compete.
Not really, the 8G1 on Mi12 is … a slightly better shit.
The Snapdragon 778g is also really good and stable.
I love your super detailed breakdown of the new chip. Definitely subbed ☺️
Feels so good I still didn't change my SD865 phone
The snapdragon 865 was an excellent chip
Just found your channel. Was super excited for snapdragon 8 gen 1 after the hype it got. Thanks for a clear and objective review. I'm off to binge more content from your channel.
If next year's 8 gen2 is built with TSMC's 4nm process (like the Dimensity 9000 chip), maybe the power consumption can be improved, but it doesn't rule out that Qualcomm Snapdragon just doesn't want to do it well
loved it you did a awsome job in this video dude
Best break down on the 8 gen 1. What a disappointment. Waiting for a dimensity 9000 one and if that's not up to standard then I guess next year might be better. Or just go for a new iPhone with the new A16 towards the end of the year. Still stuck on a snapdragon 865 device cause of these shitty 888 and 8 gen 1 chips.
A trillion Thumbs 👍 Bro. Well explained! Detailed content 😊 from the beginning to the end of the video 📸. Keep it Up!
Hmm I want to see how well Samsung manages to optimise the chip first. Given it's brand new in so many ways it might just be too difficult for other company's to utilise properly. Saw the Sam thing last year with the 888 where the performance of the chip was SIGNIFICANTLY better on phones launched towards the end of last year.
If that's the case then I guess I'm expecting 1300 single core & 3900 multi core
No. It’s just slightly better thermos control on the later phones… For example Galaxy S21 Ultra has one of the worst thermos design among all SD 888 Phones, with extremely conservative software strategy and very good screen refresh rate management, so at least the basic experience is smooth and customers won’t feel that hot/power-hungry. But the price is for example the significant worse gaming frame rate, and overall power efficiency is still worse than SD865/870 phones, software management can’t change it.
Samsung will ruin it 😅
As a european I'm more exited for the exynos 2200 anyways, with its AMD GPU and presumably even higher clockspeeds than snapdragon although power efficiency was never good on exynos chips. But lets see... maybe they did some great work
Since when did cell phone manufacturers have to cater to the incel cult 🤔 It's a cellphone!!! Not a gaming device!!! What the hell is all this complaining about??
@@Young_Dab Looks like those 'incels' are out-purchasing gigachads like yourself seeing as how the market dances at their fingertips. Why don't you guys try to be less poor and buy more so you can influence decisions that manufacturers make?
Saw in my recommendations. Detailed observations. Liked and subscribed. ❤️
If Qualcomm really wants to compete with Apple, they should pack more transistors in their chip(high transistor count) and high CPU cache memory.
That will making it an overheating can 🥫 this is a very bad idea bro you think the snapdragon engineers didn't think about it?
@@Rahim-444 ur right it causes overheating, if they don't reduce the TDP. They have to reduce the TDP, and make the chip bit larger. Snapdragon 888+ has 10 billion transistor count with TDP 10w and A15 bionic has 15 billion transistor count with TDP 6w. And A15 bionic doesn't face any heating issue as much as Snapdragon 888. (I don't know all details about Snapdragon 8 gen 1).
@@Rahim-444 Does Snapdragon Engineers didn't think about this? They know this better than us, then why don't they design those type of processor?? Its all about the cost and profit margin. Lage chip size, high transistor count and more CPU cache, makes it production very expensive, with slightly better performance and efficiency, then their current sd 888. But for Apple production cost and profit margin is not a problem, as their products and services are already expensive, so they easily make profit.
I'm pretty sure that you're not an SoC engineer, so what you're speaking is completly non-sense. First of all, qualcomm needs to sell the chip, because they don't sell smartphones like apple does. So if they are not competite, keeping the price low with good performance, manufactures will go to someone else, ex Mediatek.
I disagree, they need smarter chips. Apple is offloading a bunch of computation on their AI dedicated chips
Holy shit this is so detailed and technical. Kodus to you mate!
I just want to see , win-11 gaming test on this new chip , and I knew you can do that for us 👍
Amazing review, please more of this!
So I should keep my SD865 phone for a while? There would need to be some interesting camera upgrades or other stuff anyway I think.
Thanks for this English channel 🔥
I would have liked to see Snapdragon 870 and Dimensity 1200 in the charts.
Dude. Your content is so good. At least based on this video. Production quality is so high. So much knowledge being imparted in such a simplified and fun way. Nothing about it seems cheap or amateurish or even boring. How the fuck do you only have 25k subs?
Actually he is the one of the biggest youtuber(bilibili) in China, who has millions of subscribers.
@@Otaku-og7xf yes, I realized this shortly after posting this comment. This was his first video that I watched. RUclips randomly recommended it to me. They did good for once.
So 8 Gen 1 chip and the Exynos 2200 are both crap right now while the MediaTek Dimensity 9000 chip is better than these two?
Yes only because it's cheaper with similar performance so yes
We need a video like this on the Tensor chip!
Subscribed!
Very in-detail and informative, thanks a lot ❤️
Please do a comparison video Between snapdragon 8 gen 1 vs Dimensity 9000 which chip better overall..
ruclips.net/video/1ves1M4Ai-I/видео.html
If u understand Chinese.
Or there may be an English version in several days as well.
Dimensity better
This is so comprehensive, thank you man! 🙏
I think Qualcomm is intentionally degrading the performance of sd8g1 because in a year or two they might be releasing their own NUVIA architecture CPU; just like Apple did with intel ones jst before M1. Afterall Mediatek 9000 is also equipped with such similar core config but its much better.
You might be on to something here. 🤔
even the 855 is better than 888 and above
ruclips.net/video/ljkBt5lOvxU/видео.html
So you are telling that they wasted their r&d budget to ruin 8 gen 1
@@0638nah I used 855 before and now using 8gen1, it's so much better in performance
This is the most comprehensive and knowledgeable channel reagrding ARM. Amazing.
Fun fact: the power efficiency of SD888/8G1 by Samsung 5nm/4nm isn't much better than Intel 12th gen Core desktop CPUs by their 10nm++ process...
Enjoyed these hot takes, keep up the good work!
Thats why i use an attachable cooling fan on my phone i never have any of these problems
i like this kinda review.. keep going mate, you doing a great job