Let's be honest, a well fed core shits on their "counters" if it's not a hard counter. U think a zeus gunna kill a satanic, skadi, Bkb, pike, butterfly, rapier terrorblade? Lol.
you could use one of those apps which tell you what the enemy is picking. Or you could plan with your team if you can. If your cores are picking heroes that are countered by some heroes, you pick counters to those heroes, so you can help out your core.
For real, at my rank pos5 is always forced to be picked first or you're reported lol. When I saw this video what I heard is, "Anyone who watches this video will now know what carry counters you."
@@niazijr If you payed attention, most of the supports counter META heroes, so after looking at banned cores, see which meta cores are left then pick supports which are good against the ones that may be picked.
This is relative guys, sometimes a very meta hero gets picked in the first phase (usually in captain's mode), or you can make a flex pick, like, let's say, a pugna, in the first phase, and all of the sudden it has a great matchup in mid, so you can leave it mid and last pick the perfect position 4 that trashes the enemy carry
For the people that ask how to counter pick if you have to pick first (in 5 steps): 1. Find a game as a support 2. Disconnect after the ban phase 3. reconnect after 1:50 minutes 4 write: sorry my game crached 5. Counterpick
I’ve been waiting for this type of video since a long time with this current patch! Thank you so much! Love your content. Would appreciate more videos on carry counters by support and plays!
Ogre magi is definitely a support you cant go wrong with. But Grimstroke is someone i've been looking into so thanks for the suggestion. I am currently on a 20 win streak for ranked thanks to your tips and tricks. From Guardian V to Crusader III and hopefully Archon soon.
Speed, what are your top lane supports that could zone/shut down your enemy in the laning phase? Btw, these are the biggest 3 impacts of your videos on my games: 1. i can now deal damage in laning as a support while taking zero to minimal damage back 2. i am more likely to recognize situations where i need to soak damage/take aggro from enemy heroes to guarantee my core can stay in lane and farm while avoiding lethal damage myself. 3. I always have so much fun to play pos4 or pos5 because i really feel like enabling my carry or offlane. all in large part due to your guide on positioning during laning. seriously mindblowing the first time i watched a vid from you, man. I reached Divine at 1 point.
@@blackman5406 nah i think he is good in the lane. His e does a nice amount a dmg and its not that much mana. That plus the stun and u can get ez kills with ur carry
For everyone who wants a HIGH IMPACT Soft Support (4). I highly recommend LESHRAC.. In order for it to work, make sure that you have another Frontliner so that the enemy don't FF you right away. He works so well against Jugg & Lifestealer because the DIABOLIC EDICT goes through Immunity. He's also great against Slark ( 3 of your skills hits him while he is on Shadow Dance ) and PL ( his illusions dies in an instant ). Lesh can also siege tower faster than other hard carries thanks to his Diabolic Edict.. Really it goes around that skill.. Use it while it's OP. How many skills can Do damage while the enemy is immune to spell, hit them in the fog of war and also hit structures at the same time?! I have won 4 out of 5 games in the past 30 days.. Con Your weak against most ranged heroes like Pugna or heroes with silence Drow or Silencer.. You can play around their advantage but it will be difficult so try to avoid Picking Lesh when they are around..
speeed actually u should make some vids about positioning. in my pubs, core generally lack of knowledge about where to position their hero and how to kite back , split , and else.
I am very new to DOTA, guys. When playing support, what are our procedures and options for information, such as all real time data on buffs, debuffs on our cores and enemies, what spells are being cast by our enemies and so on. Do we have add-ons available similar to WoW pvp add ons?
speed can you make video about drafting? in ramked we all pick pos 5 -pos 4 -pos 3- carry -mid whats the best way to draft and how to draft . thanks for guides love it
Teach us mega cores to counter bruh like out of nowhere jumping in faceless void chrono,wk reincarnation,and last but not least mid smuf ember buying rapier one shoting u.thank you learnt lot from this video.
Reeew HT then play the game properly lol it doesn’t matter what order it is for supports or carries you just pick whoever wants to pick first it could be the carry first
I really would like to add winter wyvern for lycan aswell Not laning wise but purely for the fact that you just ult anyone around his units including him and its an instant death. You can be a lvl 6 wyvern against a lvl 17 lycan and you can easily kill him.
Well, in my mmr bracket if you suggest to pick supports after the cores, you are in for a fun "conversation" with your teammates. The fact that supports can couter cores just isn't very common it seems.
U talked about heroes that are good against illusions ..well.. Jakiro is one of.my top top supp. heroes and i'm pretty much smashingnheroes like CK & PL when u get the right skills in the skill tree and get also kaya, improve your ult etc.
Maybe u forgot that oracle the most hated support by right click carry. He has disarm, can lock u down using skill1, and when they go on you or your teammates just ult and give salve.
For me the best counter for Carry whos physical type is Winter Wyvern and Omni knight; My most favorite hero is cm idk I just like her haha. Aa, grim, es, and disruptor were situational picks -- like AA is best counter for Slark and Alchemist. It always feel so good when you use winter's curse on enemy's support xD [I always use my ult wisely tho]
Speed, can you give us a guide on what to pick that's good overall for every position? I'm asking this because in pubs (im currently 4.2k mmr), the supports usually pick first followed by offlane, then safe, then mid. So yes these heroes counter carries in this guide but generally you won't be able to do that.
If you are a support you usually are bullied into picking first in ranked roles. So it's impossible to counter pick. What would be more useful is an 'item counters for supports against top 10 cores' because this is more possible.
Yea they changed the hero right. His spell gives decreased Armor now instead of more attack speed. Hence even though he has high attack DMG it doesn't make a difference cuz the egg counts only number of hits ie the attack speed matters not dmg
pugna is good counter against jugg , but counter also true ...Jugg ha smagic damage in bladefury and ether for pugna take 40% more damage in it this form
Can we get pls any Medusa counters as a support, it's a real mess sometimes. I get pugna does the job but a in deep help will help a lot. Medusa gets picked a lot in lower brackets. I am currently in Guardian.
Lion, DW, KOTL and SD. These are my counter heroes when someone pick Medusa, but ofc you need to be consistently make them irritated at the moment where he is unexpectedly vulnerable. Purchase more items that will take advantages like, buying Spirit Vessel and veil of discord and that has anything to do with your teammates skills and items.
just pick a debuff hero against mk like invoker sup or oracle . if u go voker sup always remember save ur tornado until jingu on mk comes up or use 1st oracle whenever jingu comes up. jingu is debuffable so yea
Dotabuff can give you answer for everything. www.dotabuff.com/heroes/monkey-king/counters Basically anything that has burst magical damage is good. WR, QoP, Zeus, Skywrath.
01:23 slark - grimstroke/disruptor/aa
03:33 lycan - earthshaker/phoenix/cm/jakiro
04:49 batrider - oracle/abbadon/omniknight
05:04 terrorblade - phoenix/lich/zeus
06:29 riki - bounty hunter/ogremagi/jakiro
07:27 juggernaut - pugna/wynter wyvern/bane
08:43 morphling - aa
09:01 voidspirit - grimstroke/bane/oracle
11:12 ember spirit - oracle/grimstroke/darkwillow
12:49 mars - oracle/undiying/chen
Let's be honest, a well fed core shits on their "counters" if it's not a hard counter. U think a zeus gunna kill a satanic, skadi, Bkb, pike, butterfly, rapier terrorblade? Lol.
@@thechromecr3253 tell more plz, i need to learn more (herald medal)
so how do we pick these counters? aren't support heroes picked first in the draft?
@@thechromecr3253 nahh if the zeus is somewhat farmed, he can zone tb effectively and thats damn annoying
@@lutfiiqsannugraha4936 IF the TB isnt farmed of course. But then again It depends on the players own skill at the end of the day tbh.
2:08 that mars spear prediction
couldve just thrown the spear where he was chaining, easy prediction
not prediction but reflex
I can't counterpick when I'm choosing first 😭😭
you could use one of those apps which tell you what the enemy is picking. Or you could plan with your team if you can. If your cores are picking heroes that are countered by some heroes, you pick counters to those heroes, so you can help out your core.
For real, at my rank pos5 is always forced to be picked first or you're reported lol. When I saw this video what I heard is, "Anyone who watches this video will now know what carry counters you."
Not a problem for me, in my SEA unranked pubs everyone will first pick PA Sniper Joker Jug etc.
@@sxleong Never seen truer statements
@@nitindasiah991 what apps
Here’s the problem, Speed. Supports always pick first lol.
just pick bane lol
Supports is to save our core heroes bane punishes legion commander terrible from our cores while *Duel*
15:05
You can always pick supports first to deny enemy from picking certain cores.
@@ricardomahfoud Hardly happens. I mean almost never.
supports are actually picked before the cores so it's usually the other way around sometimes.
i was just about to say the same thing lol, supports are first pick so how tf we can counter their cores?
@@niazijr If you payed attention, most of the supports counter META heroes, so after looking at banned cores, see which meta cores are left then pick supports which are good against the ones that may be picked.
This is relative guys, sometimes a very meta hero gets picked in the first phase (usually in captain's mode), or you can make a flex pick, like, let's say, a pugna, in the first phase, and all of the sudden it has a great matchup in mid, so you can leave it mid and last pick the perfect position 4 that trashes the enemy carry
you're mmr might be 5k or lower
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Ever heard of SEA server
6:05 that Lich play with the Techies remote explosives was spot on
you can see this video on a different perspective you can use this for picking a core and preventing urself from getting countered
It's BIG BRAIN time
that’s literally how you play dota properly
@@izzayyyxx_ pfftt, yeah
agree, you can't counter as a support when you're 5/4 picking, and carries are picking 2
Alin Cătălin Maniu he’s talking about general knowledge dog
For the people that ask how to counter pick if you have to pick first (in 5 steps):
1. Find a game as a support
2. Disconnect after the ban phase
3. reconnect after 1:50 minutes
4 write: sorry my game crached
5. Counterpick
Someone count how many times he says "On top of dat"
Exostomp Music lol
I couldn’t not hear on topa dat
was that a chilong qua impression at the intro with the deep voice? lol
Rip
I’ve been waiting for this type of video since a long time with this current patch! Thank you so much! Love your content. Would appreciate more videos on carry counters by support and plays!
0:10 the number of counters increases from one to 3 each "a counter... A couple... Atleast 3 each" and I love it! 😂
Ogre magi is definitely a support you cant go wrong with. But Grimstroke is someone i've been looking into so thanks for the suggestion. I am currently on a 20 win streak for ranked thanks to your tips and tricks. From Guardian V to Crusader III and hopefully Archon soon.
Thanks man, really helps a lots down here in crusade
0:37 COVID-19 got a RAMPAGE!
Speed, what are your top lane supports that could zone/shut down your enemy in the laning phase?
Btw, these are the biggest 3 impacts of your videos on my games:
1. i can now deal damage in laning as a support while taking zero to minimal damage back
2. i am more likely to recognize situations where i need to soak damage/take aggro from enemy heroes to guarantee my core can stay in lane and farm while avoiding lethal damage myself.
3. I always have so much fun to play pos4 or pos5 because i really feel like enabling my carry or offlane.
all in large part due to your guide on positioning during laning. seriously mindblowing the first time i watched a vid from you, man. I reached Divine at 1 point.
Great video Speed, if I have some time will make the captions to pt-br, SA need this
summary : pick grimstroke, bane, oracle, ancient apparition etc
I dont think you pick aa though he is useless in laning stage most of the time
@@blackman5406 depends on the player
@@blackman5406 nah i think he is good in the lane. His e does a nice amount a dmg and its not that much mana. That plus the stun and u can get ez kills with ur carry
@@samusammale766 his to squishy though he will just feed the enemy team. If he stays in the back the offlaner will bully the carry
@@LittleRedRidingHoo i think not it depends if the enemy has morph, even in a morph game aa is just decent support
Finally speeed i wanted this so bad ty alont my man 🤘🤘❤
Thanks Speed. Nice video as always!
Great video for Supports... Please keep making such videos...
For everyone who wants a HIGH IMPACT Soft Support (4). I highly recommend LESHRAC.. In order for it to work, make sure that you have another Frontliner so that the enemy don't FF you right away. He works so well against Jugg & Lifestealer because the DIABOLIC EDICT goes through Immunity. He's also great against Slark ( 3 of your skills hits him while he is on Shadow Dance ) and PL ( his illusions dies in an instant ).
Lesh can also siege tower faster than other hard carries thanks to his Diabolic Edict.. Really it goes around that skill.. Use it while it's OP. How many skills can Do damage while the enemy is immune to spell, hit them in the fog of war and also hit structures at the same time?! I have won 4 out of 5 games in the past 30 days..
Con
Your weak against most ranged heroes like Pugna or heroes with silence Drow or Silencer.. You can play around their advantage but it will be difficult so try to avoid Picking Lesh when they are around..
1:21 Slark
3:30 Lycan
4:47 Batrider
5:03 Terrorblade
6:26 Riki
7:25 Juggernaut
8:42 Morphling
8:59 Void Spirit
11:09 Ember Spirit
12:45 Mars
Timestamps for each hero
Great video format! Please do a counter pick series!!
what a wonderful video. subbed mate!
Great video! Love the idea
speeed actually u should make some vids about positioning. in my pubs, core generally lack of knowledge about where to position their hero and how to kite back , split , and else.
Keep going with your great work man! Registered to Game Leap Pro a couple of days ago! Currently watching the Dota psychology!
thanks for the content speed. please do more videos on supp heroes
Thanks speed. Great video!
This was really good! Exactly what I needed!
I am very new to DOTA, guys. When playing support, what are our procedures and options for information, such as all real time data on buffs, debuffs on our cores and enemies, what spells are being cast by our enemies and so on. Do we have add-ons available similar to WoW pvp add ons?
This kind of video is great! Hail Captains Mode, best mode in Dota 2
speed can you make video about drafting? in ramked we all pick pos 5 -pos 4 -pos 3- carry -mid whats the best way to draft and how to draft . thanks for guides love it
Yes more supporting content. YES!!
More content like this please speeed
Teach us mega cores to counter bruh like out of nowhere jumping in faceless void chrono,wk reincarnation,and last but not least mid smuf ember buying rapier one shoting u.thank you learnt lot from this video.
well how can we pick support to counter their carry when we have to 1st or 2nd pick and their safe lane are usually last pick ?
Ok, but, speed.. suports never get to pick after the carry, at least at the lower brackets.. 4k or lower.
As a carry player, this video was helpful to avoid picking into counters I hadn't thought of. But yea, not particularly helpful often for supports
Reeew HT then play the game properly lol it doesn’t matter what order it is for supports or carries you just pick whoever wants to pick first it could be the carry first
most strong carry now is around 10 hero that being mentioned in video above so you can figure it out by yourself if u want to 1/2nd pick support
watch the end of the video...
this is realy helpful speed .. thanks .. hope you do kore counter videos
0:02 when you tryna cough but remember its virus season
Witchdoctor for Lycan as well? The cask stun lasts longer on non-hero units.
Contrenox don’t tell man. Supports need to keep a few little secrets since speed gave out our big ones like in this video
I really would like to add winter wyvern for lycan aswell
Not laning wise but purely for the fact that you just ult anyone around his units including him and its an instant death. You can be a lvl 6 wyvern against a lvl 17 lycan and you can easily kill him.
love your vids man it really helped me out
How about The Anti maze and PA and Phantom lancer??
What is your thoughts on treant this meta?
Loved your video!
Well, in my mmr bracket if you suggest to pick supports after the cores, you are in for a fun "conversation" with your teammates.
The fact that supports can couter cores just isn't very common it seems.
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hey my man speed do you have videos about best 1st pick supports?
No one:
Speed: oN ToP A dAt
Cores that counter supports next?
Shadow Demon counter slark or any tanky heroes such as BB , DP , Centaur etc
Come on speeed, 200k likes for a support vid? That's hard. Here's my like. Please make more support vids.
8:45 I like the way you explain that :D
Winter wyvern and batrider are good VS Mars because of magic dmg and because they can just fly out arena. Night stalker too.
Need this kind of video in the new patch 7.33.
How about wraith king? He has high win rate in crusader bracket and i often meet with wk picker.
Absolutely what we need to improve our understanding of the game at lower MMRs
How to counter void ? And jugg r with mkb ? And also we pick supports first
This is the guide that I need.
Please do how to pick offlane based on carry!
More support videos please!!!
Can you make one on midlane matchup? Great video tho
Speeds ability to pronounce the "th" in words is BROOOKEN
U talked about heroes that are good against illusions ..well.. Jakiro is one of.my top top supp. heroes and i'm pretty much smashingnheroes like CK & PL when u get the right skills in the skill tree and get also kaya, improve your ult etc.
Thanks, Speed. I increased my MMR by so much since I watched your tips here at Gameleap. 👌
Thanks alot for helping me :) Im a supoprt player n i wanted to know the counters related to current meta
How can you counterpick these cores? You firstpick Grimstroke.
It's probably good for the next video to focus on cores that counter cores. That would help a lot of CORE players what to pick
Maybe u forgot that oracle the most hated support by right click carry. He has disarm, can lock u down using skill1, and when they go on you or your teammates just ult and give salve.
The best content I've seen in quite a while.
For me the best counter for Carry whos physical type is Winter Wyvern and Omni knight; My most favorite hero is cm idk I just like her haha. Aa, grim, es, and disruptor were situational picks -- like AA is best counter for Slark and Alchemist.
It always feel so good when you use winter's curse on enemy's support xD [I always use my ult wisely tho]
I really love the video, i'm almost 5k and i think the big weakness of players in this bracket is their draft abilities.
great content!
i feel its hard to pick bane with this new pick phase. Since position 5/4 always have to pick first i cant pick bane to counter their carry/mid
Speed, can you give us a guide on what to pick that's good overall for every position? I'm asking this because in pubs (im currently 4.2k mmr), the supports usually pick first followed by offlane, then safe, then mid. So yes these heroes counter carries in this guide but generally you won't be able to do that.
Party or team coordination.
Where is sea edition like Am Pa or lifestealer drow etc?
How can you counter cores with supports if supports are already picked?
I'll remember this next time I first pick support... Or I could always use my mind reading powers!
I don't have those powers
How we know what should support we take if support must pick first in ranked
If you are a support you usually are bullied into picking first in ranked roles. So it's impossible to counter pick. What would be more useful is an 'item counters for supports against top 10 cores' because this is more possible.
Counter enemy carry with support...
But how to counter when most of pub or rank games, are pos 4/5 to take the first and second pick
What does lycan's damage have anything to do with the EGG?
Lycan cant burst egg because his units dont dmg the egg and usually lycan doesnt have high atk speed
Yea they changed the hero right. His spell gives decreased Armor now instead of more attack speed. Hence even though he has high attack DMG it doesn't make a difference cuz the egg counts only number of hits ie the attack speed matters not dmg
@@foxssinofgreed3453 Eggcactly
Thx, now i know what i could choose if i wasn't 1st picking.
Thanks Speeeeeeeeeeed
An honorable mention against void spirit and other caster cores would be silencer since... he silences. Really good if your team is the one ganking
VS common item is Euls, but it depends on the player who'd pick silencer, if he is good at timings.
more of this pls
pugna is good counter against jugg , but counter also true ...Jugg ha smagic damage in bladefury and ether for pugna take 40% more damage in it this form
pls do video for remaining cores like pa, am, faceless void......
please do core picks to counter cores
Speed how can I pick a support to counter a core when I pick first?
How about Wyvern counter for Lycan.
His damage is physical, which WW can negate.
U can ult Lycan, n his buddies will kill him if he's not careful.
Winter wyvern again Lycan is the best counter. 1 ulti lycan dead all the time.
Can we get pls any Medusa counters as a support, it's a real mess sometimes. I get pugna does the job but a in deep help will help a lot. Medusa gets picked a lot in lower brackets. I am currently in Guardian.
Lion, DW, KOTL and SD. These are my counter heroes when someone pick Medusa, but ofc you need to be consistently make them irritated at the moment where he is unexpectedly vulnerable. Purchase more items that will take advantages like, buying Spirit Vessel and veil of discord and that has anything to do with your teammates skills and items.
IN ROLE RANKED, SUPPORT OCCUPIED THE FIRST 2 PICKS, HARDLY GOT ANY CHANCE TO PICK COUNTER
Please make a guide on riki. Thank you!
i was waiting for drow ranger and how to counter her...i always have a trouble when i was in one lane against her even i pick a ranged hero like necro
I would like to see a video of "What counters what".
And shows at least the bests 3 heroes that counters every hero.
This is a great vid for supports and cores. What to pick since most of the time support pick first. But Sad MK is not included. SAD
just pick a debuff hero against mk like invoker sup or oracle . if u go voker sup always remember save ur tornado until jingu on mk comes up or use 1st oracle whenever jingu comes up. jingu is debuffable so yea
Dotabuff can give you answer for everything.
www.dotabuff.com/heroes/monkey-king/counters
Basically anything that has burst magical damage is good. WR, QoP, Zeus, Skywrath.