5 RULES You MUST MASTER: What I Wish I Knew - SUPPORT Position 4 + 5 - Dota 2 Pro Guide
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1. PULL as much as you can
2. SYNERGIZE your damage with your carry
3. call for SMOKE GANKS
4. WARD according to the state of the game
5. POSITION WELL in fights
thanks lol
pray for a proper LANER. all the best effort of the supports in the world quickly goes to waste if your laner doesn't take advantage
@@octaviusceasar1315 amen to that, unfortunately those prayers usually go to waste in the sea server, u will never get a core player who knows when to go in and when to get an objective
Andy Zhang tell me more about it man
Do all those things and then lose cause your carry can't play.
All these rules/advice are useless tbh.
"Your life actually matters, we care about you"
-Said no carry ever
#supportlife
relatable
i do....but I'm just 3k as well :P
@@an_omega_wolf people like you should be in every game idc your rank bro supports need love
At first, im prettys sucks at supp. But now, i think support life choose me
Joel Tan 😭😭😭😭😭
The secret #6 that Speeed hinted at: *Don't flame your teammates.* It doesn't help. People will never play better because you're yelling at them about how much they suck. Not only will they lose enthusiasm and play worse as a result, they probably mute you or otherwise won't listen to you if you try to be constructive later.
BaufenBeast great point
Hi, Speeed!
hard for me to understand why most players don't get this. would you be more likely to listen to someone who is being hostile and demeaning, or someone who is being friendly?
reminds me of a video i saw a while ago that said that you should think of MMR as reflecting things you do/don't do. if you flame your teammates, your MMR will be lower than it could be bc of that.
Dear Lord Gaben, hello!
actually, when someone tells me i am a dick because of reason 1-2-3 i think about it, and i accept and change something about the thing, or i think about it, and realize that person is a moron and he has no point....
but man.. in my bracket, i politely tells my teammate: M8 build bkb, they have like 73stuns and a fucking dazzle or whatever, i always get one answer: STFU
"Offlaners want to fight because thats what offlaners do"
meanwhile in the jungle
yeah smoking helps a lot
havent played a dota match without a pack of cigarettes
Underrated asf
fuck cigarettes
💀
smoke weed🥦
LMAO
Play while being drunk- first item 'Devine rapier'
That shoutout to slacks is on point!
Another wholesome guide video from gameleap 👍
Tip#6 : get whatever neutral items is left, even if that's an iron talon that your cores don't want !
some people never play 1k....
@@erichammer8434lol. they would take the tier 3 item 1st before tier 1
nothing worse than a support tht steal a fckin royal jelly
If your core doesn’t take the talon its either really late into the game or he’s really bad
@@memento_mori4211 Lol I got royal jelly as pos 5 Zeus to help me mana feed my 40+ lightning bolt deward which resulted in having vision superiority throughout whole game. I wonder why carry players think that every resource is there just for them and they are the one who are benefiting best from it.
Great Video!
This is where I'm at 2.5k 5 spot. I play 4 and 5 because of the fast games usually, but like the 5 spot.
1. Pulling - check, I pull even if the creeps are at the tower unless my core asks me not to. I cuss myself out if I miss one or let them block the camp or mess my pull.
2. Synergy with core, I need work on this. I get tilted if I try and they ignore me. I need to initiate this more and not take it personally if they screw it up or ignore me.
3. Smoke I definitely need work on. I've been trying to buy it on cooldown and at least using it to plant wards even if I can't talk the team into it, at least I try to get into the habit of buying smokes. Still I find myself going long stretches with smokes off cooldown.
4. Wards I think i'm good at, good vision and rarely spotted. I have to work on getting free wards and placing them faster in the mid-game, or maybe communicating that high spots aren't necessarily the best spot for vision.
5. Positioning I suck so bad. This is what I'm working on now. I watch my replays and every game I go in too far at least once a game. total noob with no patience. I need to wait until the initiator goes in and stay out of vision.
I wish you would have added staying OUT of vision. I worked and worked on just trying to guess when i'm in vision and learning to stay out but be close enough to help in team fights.
Woulf 1976 i think pulling, warding and staying alive in late game is the priority as good support.
Bro at higher mmr games (4k-5k) pulling your creeps when the enemy creeps are at your tower may sometimes cost you your life. Offlaners usually are very good and use creep advantage to fight you under your tower. So just be careful and know when u need to pull.
@@seankennethsala544 thats why speed said, u can pull if u have 2 or more range creep
I kid u not, positioning alone will win u nore games
Dont pull when creeps at tower, try and stack and pull next wave. Also for positioning and stuff just tell ursef to hide in the trees for 2 seconds until fight starts then go in, unless of course theres a catch u need to make and if u can, can u catch it with a blink into the trees and not into sight
I've been looking for a video like this for a long time, this content is exactly what I was looking for thanks!!
thanx for these vids speed.. its been almost 3 years since my last dota2 game and ur vids have been very helpful in getting me back in casual gaming w/ my friends.. keep up the great work!
Don’t pull as often as possible, pull when it makes sense, as a pos 5 especially since the creeps naturally meet in front of the tier 1 tower in the safe lane. This mostly applies to lower mmr games since the enemy offlaners aren’t trying to disrupt the lane equilibrium as much as they probably should. Instead one should be ready to babysit the carry out of bad situations and bad trades since that’s a much more common occurrence.
thanks gameleap, watching your videos had helped me to climb from ancient 4 to finally reach divine.
Jumped from 3.8k to 5k mmr in 3 months simply by learning lane mechanics/pulling as a 4/5
It genuinely boils down to -
1. ask your carry to cut the appropriate trees for pulling, if they're experienced they know which ones but if you show them it only helps them learn for later games
2. communicate if your lane is able to be aggressive at level 1, people underestimate the importance of getting level 2 first and getting that FB which auto wins lane
3. pulling when lane is pushed, let your carry know you're pulling so they don't overextend - there are 2 pulls on radiant and dire, learn them and their timings
4. even more important is stopping the enemy support from pulling themselves and all this involves is being at the pulled camp and hitting the neutrals, or body pulling the creeps. if you can stop their pull then that wins you the lane (because the only reason they'd' pull is their lane equilibrium is bad).
5. stay out of your core's XP range as much as possible, cannot stress this enough. I've had lanes where I'm level 2 but my carry is 6-7 vs a 2x level 4 heroes and they still dominate. you WILL get your levels in mid game skirmishes + the tome. I sometimes don't even get level 6 from the tome. If you do this well, even if you die from #4, it is worth because they've wasted 5-10s in lane to kill a low level support whilst your carry farms a wave or two and gets full XP.
your job is to enable your cores and sure, you will get the dud core every now and then but the support position is just as important if not more than the core. you cannot always blame a core for failing/misplaying mid-late game when you stuffed the early game.
no one should be blamed, because some people just play for fun turbo and they might not know what's going on exactly.
Honestly no please don't think that supports can do the job underlevelled. Tell ur team that u need to level and go junple at mid game if the enemy is 10 level higher than u. Supports are the first to die protecting a carry and carried who forget that and want to fight will end up with a wekaer support. Supports should just know when and how to farm without destroying their carries actual existance.
great vid that you just made cuse I play a lot of sup role yet no one understands how hard it is to play this role
ty sp333e
I start watching your vids on how to play support effectively, From archon 4 to legend 5, its sound exaggerated but your tips are effective, i gained almost 1k mmr with a span of 2weeks. Thanks man! Kudos to this channel
The voice quality is pretty Good here what did you change :)
TY TY TY. one of the best video i have ever seen in ur channel. learn a lot.
Speeed. I up from legend 4 to ancient 1 in 2 weeks only following your tips from your youtube videos. Thank you man. Goin for divine now! Great work (i play sup4 pls do more sup4 content
Your videos have helped me so much in my short DotA journey it's unbelievable. Ty
There, I liked and subscribed.
Now, please - more support videos!
I really need to level up my support game play
This is super insightful, thanks and good job!
Yay! Support vids!!! Back to basics but I will always listen
editing on the new vids is pretty sick speeed, nice
As far as positioning is concerned, you can also bait pretty well as a pos 5 in pub games if you have a decent save hero helping you or an item like force staff or glimmer cape.
One thing that may help as a video option is what items to buy per position, especially for lower MMR. Too often, people think pos 3s need to only buy auras and tank. I prefer to buy some aura items as a support, depending on which I'm playing.
I ranked up from cursader 3 to legend 1 by oracle, smoking, pulling... My last archone game which was vs divine 3 i picked bane and smoked 9 times
That's the spirit
Thx, you motivated me to keep playing support
After smoking that much, did u get high as well?
3.9k to 5.6 mmr gain just watching your vids man! thumbs up! more subs to come
really helpful insights. Thanks bro.
Just wanted to drop a comment. Great info for players of all MMR. Im still in scrub rank not been playing very long considering and a lot of this id worked out on my own but it was nice to confrim my thoughts. Putting it consistently into practise however is the real challenge
The thing about the walking up to an ally and smoking them is so true. Hahahaha. They become so obedient when smoked.
Thanks for the usefull guides speed, I'm an archon 5 player from sea server now I'm ancient 2 in just a month.
Lol i went from crusaders 2 to herald in just 2 weeks -
as always it was a pleasure, i want it more supp videos
Hope to see more support guide!
I dunno if "pull as much as you can" makes sense. It leads to our tower taking a ton of damage from enemy creeps. Seems like you should only pull as-needed to maintain balance of the creep wave. It can be tough, though, because the pull timings can be quite delayed from when you notice the creep wave is pushing...
Thanks Morty this was helpful
how to deal with the wave being dragged by the enemy and or if they pulled the wave. tips
if i send this guy my 2k gameplay, i think he'll explode
dude im in 1.8k I've seen things
let me guess cancer player gets into your nerve right? :D do not let them because it will ruin your composure, if no one wards your jungle then farm on the opposite jungle, or play support helping your teammate who is trying to be a dck carrying you because some of 'em will try carry role than being something useful. btw i'm 800mmr :P
@@AngkolKitoy 800 exists? are you playing with a trackpad?
@@TytanTrollMiniatures actually i play with my 500 mmr friend, i pick meepo and smash everything and everyone, he isnt lying People so low are almost Non stop against smurfs and boosters, meepo brood every. Single. Game. 😵😀
@@qwerty-qu8lv Thats funny, but also very sad
Shoutout to Slacks it's so true if you watch him play he is constantly communicating and stopping his team from tilting and getting his team to work well together.
Any advice what to do as a support when you have Axe that goes behind enemy tower to aggro all minions? stack jungle creeps? try to take last hits?
I have just fast forwarded several of your videos on tips how to carry, support and so on and every time you are talking about pulling off creeps
Thanks Speed. Love your content
More support guides please! also can you teach us how to pick targets in a fight?
yes please
Gameleap: "with your offlaner and your playmaker"
*looks at teams draft*
Me: which of the spec, alch and sniper should I be smoking?
I have a question guys, If I pull, Do I focus on denying my lane creeps or last hitting the neutrals for gold? Ty!!
This guy is a good coach! keep it up brotha
speeeeed!! ur content is good im ranking up game by game
I normally play pos 5 sometimes 4. When I play with a friend he always bitches when I try to leave lane and pull the creep wave into the jungle because the lane is pushed up to the enemy tower, and he dies sometimes in those 2v1 situations.
speed this was a super tutorial about 4 and 5 .... but i never understand when u tp as a support... when u buyback and join fights as a core
I did learn. As a support never tp to farm after min 15 - 20. Because u will always need that tp to help. About buyback I have no idea. My opponent turn fights with good buybacks. But I feel always like. Ahh better save that money for the next item.
One basic rule is to never tp to a lane to farm. you have to be able to tp when a teamfight breaks out elsewhere.
You need to know which lanes are in danger of getting gone on, and what your responsibilities are, BEFORE you use a tp. So for example: before I tp anywhere, I will know: 1. I'm letting my slark have solo xp because we won the lane and he doesnt need me atm. But: if they dive him as 2 or 3, I need to be able to protect him. 2. The enemy might try to gank my sniper mid (since he is squishy and easily punished), so I need to be able to be there FAST when that happens. Keep an eye on the minimap for those lanes and NEVER tp to the offlane unneccesarily in that case. You wont be able to be mid or bottom for 80 seconds!
Also rarely tp out of base after dying, unless there's an immediate threat that you can help with. (In the early game you may tp back)
As far as counterganking tps, you need to figure out if you can actually help by being there (check your mana ;-)) or if it's a better use of your time to play aggressive in other parts of the map. All of these things are summed up by actively thinking about the game, knowing heros matchups, predicting mapmovements etc. Ideally you should already have considered these scenarios before they happen, because it's hard to make a great decision in 1 second
@@samuelellringmann3424 yeap that makes sense .... tnx for youre oppinions :D
Hey Gameleap I have a question weather or not this gets answered I dont mind. I prefer to support and I want to know should I always double stack the pull. And should I double stack straight away like 1.54 ?
I love how this video is mostly about don't trash talk and try to communicate with your team
4:05 Rtz nab, he missed the neutral :( Just like in 5k bracket ...
something feels different about this video.
Speeed pursuing that dream.
I wish I had a dollar for every spam ping my carry makes when I pull for equilibrium or wave denies. Lol
Just mute them. At that point you can assume that they don't understand the game and their opinion is irrelevant.
I can understand. I primarily play pos 1 and I prefer my supports pulling. So when I play support I try to do the same and the million ping spams come in :P
@@an_omega_wolf what bracket are you for a carry to not want you to help control equilibrium their is one case where a pull is not ok and that is when you have a lane disadvantage and the pull is going to let there enemy team dive tower under the protections of a a full creep wave.
Good video. I love the support videos. We need more of that. Sometimes get the right time for a pull is so hard. What can I do vs. a solo offlaner? Stay in lane and pull as much as possible or go to a other lane?
stack the small camp on minute 2, then pull the creeps to deny them, the 2 wave of neutrals you just pulled will definitely deny all your creeps, meanwhile tell your carry to stay under tower to take last hits(enemy creeps will push in), he should have some regens and not easily kill by creeps, BUT remember, if their offlaner and support start diving tower to take your carry, you MUST walk over to help, your carry should be able to juke them, hide in the trees to prevent dying(maybe even get a kill because enemies are overextending, under your tower). REMEMBER, winning safelane by DENYING enemy XP is HUGE, if your carry is higher level on laning stage, you can consider 90% you win your lane for your carry already. EARLY level = advantage.
haven't watched the video in full but I just wanna say that Fly has a team that listens to him. pub pos5 doesn't get cores that listen.
Last time I played Dota regularly was 2016. Damn, everyone's gotten a whole lot better now.
Same. Took me like 5 or 6 public matches to finally get a win. Probably just because I was playing Sniper too lol.
Slowly getting back into it. But idk how matchmaking handles players that have thousands of hours previously but haven't played in years. It's a real struggle.
Tq for this content its so important
Is it good to single pull and deny 1-2 creep, but then the lane is pushing. SHould I try to pull big camp aswell?
EG vs BC, excellent video Speed!
I'm from Perú.
I didn't choose the support life, the support life chose me 🙌
Can you show us how to lane as a safelaner/midlaner/offlaner and how to snowball after that?
Do I have to pull if the creep equilibrium is balanced?
finally a support video
Very nice video - again! I just wish you made some points for 1k mmr plebs ;_;
This guide is very good no doubt...but you should make guide as a whole considering all supports not only 1 complex hero. I think it would be better and would attract more audiences.
9:20 *YOU FOOLS!* hahahahaha
Tip #6: always keep trusty shovels til the end of the game. You'll be surprised on how free items and rng bounty runes change the course of the game. Thanks for all of tips speed. Gained 600 mmr in 5 days mostly by just being a support
Besides Dota I think Speeed would be a funny friend that knows a lot about games
Aeron Cenidoza my friends hate me because I’m super competitive xD
@@SpeeedYT same.
Speed can you do a Zeus Support video! I want to know how to early game manage mana!
Ty for the tips. One of my problems is that often my carry hates it if i pull. Are they rules when i shouldnt pull even if my lane is pushing or i see 2 range creeps?
Depends on the objective. If you are absolutely crushing your lane and would like an early tier one then don't pull. Take secret todays game for example it was bristle Vs a doom and matumbaman was absolutely crushing doom. So he just played under enemies tier one tower for an early objective. If your carry is having difficulty farming or you know you can't take their tower early then pull if your lane is being pushed. Also don't pull the 5 min wave coz that's the catapult wave and you can use it to probably damage their tier 1.
what if enemy hits level 2 first?
Speed could u please make a video on how to win lane if u are constantly at a disadvantage?
for example carry dies twice at level 1 ?
Lol, when you're in disadvantages, just not dying is a win already
Use your spells to secure range creep and dont die, play safe
Thank you!
Please more Support Videos!!!!
Is it okay for a support to solo kill a core if possible rather than getting in a teamfight which needs to use tp to go there.?
Speed, everytime i stack and pull they come to me and i die, what should i do?
I think that a lot of people isn't paying too much atention at pulling creeps because they have been told to do that but they don't know actually why they need to pull
Can u make a video on Void Spirit as pos4/5 combined together?it might sound crazy n stupid, but recently i have been spamming him and guess what? it does very well on the imagined role next to the actual pos1. stacking with body and with the spiriting the next camp makes him efficient, if u get good enough its possible to do 3 different camps with only one attempt, how insane is that?
also there comes the next step, which is the lvl15 true sight talent, THAT THING IS IMBALANCED'!! it gives u the ability to constantly be able to deward cliffs and other places if ur good enough to know where are the wards planted, yet again i can ask the same thing, HOW INSAME IS THAT HERO??'!!
its just an idea u can try tearing to peaces, since he is one of the best OR the ACTUAL best space creator/mobile hero ingame atm..
even if they kill u, they kill a support, and i know, u hate this but its still better than a pos1or2 :D
items would be guardian, asap then euls/orchid if game is good or if its bad, a pipe can also be bought so it makes u harder to kill, also u provide healing since its the pos5 role we talking about..
i can send some ID's for u to check, if u get this message so u can see what i mean, :P
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Gud vid thx sbeed
best dota videos bro
Holy shit , posted 46 seconds ago!
you are amazing keep it up
Would love to see advice for
lol this is too true. Then they proceed to abandon you and AFK farm jungle
How do we know that we are not smoking under the enemy's vision? I've always curious because sometimes pros don't have obs/sentries around them and they just smoke
instincts, it's like you're in a jungle and you wanna know if a predator can see you, you use clues. like how far are they? is the probability high that a support might have warded this area for the past 7 min? It all just boils down to game sense. Some people become good at it by playing invi heroes.
@@sherwing9054 Ahh, I see. Thanks mate
4:01 "RTZ can farm the hallberd smasher..." bullshit... he just missed it... dogtz XD
tip number 1 - Pulling (1:46)
tip number 2 - Synergize your damage with your carry (4:08)
tip number 3 - Call for smoke ganks (7:47)
tip number 4- Ward according to the state of the game (11:22)
tip number 5 - Position well in fights (14:05)
thanks!
Literally had a game were we were together 5/0 tb and me (cm) terror decides first item meme hammer, and in fight instead of attacking them he starts with meme hammer ....
As a support player in the 2k bracket, what he says at the beginning is true. The way the support player plays defines what happens in the safe lane. In the first 15 minutes, you are carrying your position 1 to enough last hits that he can then do his job. If you play passively, he will not be able to do his job.
Im a support player i like your guide sir.
Is there a guide on how to use correct ping ! and X pings properly? For example, there are players keeps using X ping on you when they want something like tango or arcane boots. Or sometimes they will use ! pings on you when someone is about to gank your lane.
It's confusing because when someone X ping on you then your first thought that comes in mind is that someone is going to kill you or you need to retreat! When someone use ! ping on you then most likely they need something from you.
But because they used a wrong ping, it messes you up and the game, and they even call you stupid. What the heck..
I get this a lot as a support and I am sure even Ancients and above use wrong pings sometimes..
Gameleap god dam stop pumping out this knowledge so fast
everyone always assumes the picks are impeccable and it's all down to execution.. nope, there's always useless picks that dont work well together
Yo chill man we came here to learn. Not all of us are hard headed!
All hard supports in the 3k bracket pull the lanes when you have a double wave hitting you and a bristle lina pressuring you under tower :D And then they pull the next one too. Then abandon the lane to go to the offlane once the carry noob dies to the offlaner under tower.
Yeah i remember playing lvl 2 morph and tanking 2waves because my supp pulling, and when i told him not to pull again , he said fuck this stupid carry he doesnt need help and he left me alone lol
200k subs q&a????
the problem is, low mmr players dont pick well.. end of story
they could be on their best support heroes, but no cores want to take responsibility for their stupid decisions and items.. there's nothing a support can do
thats why people keep getting stuck in the same trench.. i raised my mmr enough to say that because i started dominating
but when i go back to my old account, it's the same shit..
it's like going to a slum and telling them to get a job, work on their shit and get better.. the slum will never progress because theyre stuck in the same as everyone else
honestly its pretty easy to carry low mmr games as a support
What's funny in low mmr is that when you have mirana on your team, they wait for her to use her ulti to group and go kill. Well there's a thing called smoke which does the same thing but even better cause you're not detected by wards.
which me and my team not buy every game :(
I think i need a guide on wat to do if my hard supp pick core and jungle or try to steal last hit hahaha
Make a video on farming patterns for mid
Kind of incoherent guide as support.
1. You pull based the state you are in. Yes you are supposed to pull the lane but doing so may allow enemy offlaner to punish your carry farm even further depends on the hero they're picking. So have them controlled is what you should do before pulling or do pulls everytime enemy is close to the tower.
2. You can't expect everyone to synergize with you 24/7. There's always a mistake play in pub.
3. Only when you have certain skills or item timing up. Do not randomly waste smoke to gank and end up countered back.
4. Yes
5. Positioning is a hard thing to master as support, even in pro tier they do make mistakes and they do questionable positioning which sometimes lead to a bait and switch play or a very awkward take down.
The unwritten rule of support are
1. Punish
2. Follow
3. Sacrifice
- Punish your opponent on Laning phase
- Follow your cores, watch where they're farming so they'll be safe from smoke ganks. Avoid showing self too much on lane unless enemy can't brought up a fight and after having a fight.
- Sacrifice exp or self for farming, saving cores or playing really safe while spamming those skills.
Having a support with a really high exp means there's something really wrong with the game.
Umm GameLeap or SPEEED, Can I request or ask? WHAT ARE THE SUPPORTS GOING TO DO IN THE LATE GAME? LIKE "NIP v NAVI" I think.