Well yeah, cause mid is imo, the hardest position to play in dota. Cause of it's complexity and you really need to be very creative in addition to have a steady mechanical skill and adequate understanding of heroes.
TBH, there is a legit need for guides for carry and supp. Almost every single time I play supp, I get a carry that either throws or has an utterly insufferable attitude. And when I pick carry, I get a supp that does those exact things as well. Interesting side note: the midlaners are pretty damn consistent in not having a shit attitude.
I love this content. Recently moved from CS to Dota and I have 800 hrs. I've ranked up three times from Crusader to now Archon 2 watching these. Keep going!
team games too easy. If u play with your team you win. solo pubs are more unpredictable and therefore more fun. Theres way more diving because it doesnt get punished.
You missed to point out when going on the puck in the beginning , he fortifies structures so that the creeps don’t die while taking the tower aggro, thereby ensuring the first blood with his sleight of fist
Topson's described his gameplay as "Disruptive" and not letting the opponent play their game. It's actually one of the more modern mid-player mentalities; a lot of the great mid players over the last 10 years come from DotA's old "3 core" games, where all three cores are like farming heroes. The 4-protect-1 was something that existed even then, but it was for specific heroes, and not so much a strategic way of playing. I feel like the meta today has shifted just because of players like Topson who want to make plays, not farm their items (even though actually farming is more efficient), but how Topson does it has been perfected over so long (seriously for every game he wins, I'm sure he has lost 10 just because of his playstyle), he makes it look easy. It's actually incredible how efficient he is at making plays. Edit: Also Topson almost always skills 2-0-2 and then maxes his tree dance with Monkey King. Some times he'll skill it an even 3-3-3 and he almost never goes ult early. He is basically looking to snowball his hero in anyway possible; if he gets his jingu stacks, he does his usual style of pressuring and killing the enemy mid, but in more passive lanes like Magnus who can just go farm stacks and side camps, he will flash farm creeps and I've even seen him jump to the midlane creeps so they get shoved in faster (and so it has to be dealt with).
So proud cuz you've mentioned chris luck who is a peruvian player, he has an agressive style and I recomend you have to analyze some peruvian players like 'whisper', 'Héctor K1' and of course 'scofield'
7:19 the 200IQ Glyph just to make sure he wont die. You guys didn't notice or might think it's because the top tower was attacked, but im sure its Topson. XD
I stil dunno why you guys don't have more subscribers. There are so much Dota players and this channel is fucking fire. Dunno how you dont have every single dota player subscribed.
that mid movement video was sick, that ladder bait from just being dominant is nice, but sneaking auto as mk was neat. I played vs a timber as templar, the guy keep putting his huge model on top of creeps, you could not cs without missclicking him even tho i aggroed he followed everytime, i bet you can build whirling stacks the same way you show here.
Use a-move to attack creeps. If i remember right it attacks the closest unit to your cursor. So clicking at the right spot should get you a lasthit even if the enemy tries to block the creep with hero model.
Im pretty sure he was considered a mediocre midlaner on pro standards during (and after i guess) his first TI, since im pretty sure he lost his lane most of the time. He has always had a very different mid play style and that makes him so good. He might lose the 1v1, but goes ganking everywhere and wrecks havoc wherever he goes and then ends up winning after all. Now he seems to be winning the lane as well :D
one important thing that you missed. he always man fights the opponent at level 1. i think thats like his rule or smt idk. and if you think about it, actually his 100% right. if you're playing melee hero and your opponent is ranged, you have to exchange blows. the ranged heroes will try to harass you anyway. so its better to exchange hits instead of getting harassed and do nothing.
Dissecting the laning stage in this manner is definitely helpful to a lot of players While this may be focused in the midlane some concepts are actually doable in the sidelane. Enjoyed the video! Thanks Speed! Ma Man! #SpeedPog
1st of all - tango. Common i dont think i have to explain regen to you. Right? Okay. Now he have quelling blade which isnt just common its a must. Its extra 18 dmg on creeps nearly for free. He have the components of a wraith brand which are 2 all stat + 3 agility Its going to be WB anyway very common no questioning here. Lastly, band of the elvenskin. 450 gold for 6 agility. What he actually gets is 6 attack speed 6 damage and as every 7 agi = 1 armor. I believe he had atleast 1 odd agility point which combines with the band and grants him 1 armor. These stats from the band are very close to the old ring of aquila. Yet its half the price. And more than that, he is just going to wrap up this band into a yasha. You might ask why not 10 agility piece first? 1.the price! The blade of alacrity cost 1k gold and provides 10 agi. In quick maths It would be 4.5 agility if its cost was 450 gold. So this item compared to the band is a scam of agility. 2.timings! Youre doing better in net worth than your enemy middle. Now you want to pressure him even more, simply telling him you cant contest me anymore. How you do that? You take advantage of stats. You buy stuff! For example. Mk net is 2k? And magnus is 1.3k, thats a big lead. Only the problem is that youre saving for the 10 agility blade which means your current gold is like 780 (for example) and what happens that you dont actually have the blade yet. And having this gold doesnt make you any stronger unless you actually use it. Which means in terms of net comparement? Substract these 780 gold cuz youre not using them. 2k - 780 = 1.22k which leaves around the same net as magnus. Which also means you are even. You can be contested, and if youve made a little mistake such as standing out of position, getting bad trades, Youre going to be slowly getting pressured by magnus as youre not overpowering him with items. Even tho theoretically you have more net. So you just buy the stats. Youre going to save them for yasha and for now its going to serve you for the laning pressure. Its just a good item, in fact he just leaves it there for a while and just goes for the echo sabre which is much more effective than yasha at the early stages. Before i started to write this comment, i didnt knew this item have so much depth xd. I lowkey impressed myself. As i was thinking on the item through writing this comment. Sorry for the long paragraphs xd
Topson's really good there is really something that i don't know even tho i'm 16yr reached 7.4k.. Also speed is good at explaining of how topson does work out his lane. Not gonna lie i learned something thanks.
You forgot to say that he use a glyph fortification so that the tower will keep on hitting the creep and can damage the puck then uses a sleight of fist. Sorry for the grammar.
i watched the MK game live in Gorgc's Twitch, well it was hella fun Gorgc was in pick stage "pls no topson MK PLS NO" "topson picks MK" later on "oh we have synderen in our team, we wont loose" "wins the game"
Hey speed i have always liked your videos and you analysis but i have a question you always talk about pro but how come synderen mage bamboe even bulldog and many more still have relatively very high mmr i think you should make one video on them too
Topson is one of the most agressive player in dota thats why he can be the weakness of his team , he can easily be shutdown. But if topson win his lane he is going to roam around the making space to either his offlane or carry
You dont really shut down an aggressive player. Thats the point. You shut down a player thats farming, not someone who is constantly roaming and ganking. He often doesnt even win his lane, he just gets enough levels and starts going around the map killing everybody. Pro tip for all miders: If you lose your lane go win other lanes.
Lol he is the sacrificial player, you shut down him so what?? The carry is still farming lol. Look at ti9 lol, his aggressive playstyle basically rekt any pro teams and they could end the game within 30 or even 20 min if they want. But sometimes OG likes to play with their food since no team is close to them right now. If og is still the same 5 players I am not surprise that they will win the 3rd ti this year
Something i have realized from Topson, is that by dying he prevents his networth to grow to insane levels. He will stomp and get a lot of kills. But he will also die several times. By doing that he plays with his net worth. Preventing a massive Beyond Godlike Spree. Only once the game reaches the late parts, he will start going on massive killing sprees, since he will have enough items to survive.
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Both me and my opponent watched this video, we both won mid.
Mighty Empares hahahaha
Lol love this one
Hahaha
Both stupid
@Sterling Will noone gives a fuck.
Topson is a psychopath:
-*Picks veno jungle*
how is that anything related to psychopathy?
@@philippplx7147 metaphor, he mean topson is too crazy , too strong
@@jumpjet2563 more like, hyperbole.
This is literally the most in depth laning content i have ever seen thank you.
Jon Vega thanks that was my goal!
@@SpeeedYT i think that even topson didnt even think about his laning in that depth :D
@@SpeeedYT Hi speed im hot asian girl can u marry me i really love u
@@filippetrula1234 Pro players do think in depth, that's why they are good. Only 2k won't think at all.
As a mid player this video is literally a blessing, it feels like so much dota content is committed to supports and safe lane
Well yeah, cause mid is imo, the hardest position to play in dota. Cause of it's complexity and you really need to be very creative in addition to have a steady mechanical skill and adequate understanding of heroes.
TBH, there is a legit need for guides for carry and supp. Almost every single time I play supp, I get a carry that either throws or has an utterly insufferable attitude. And when I pick carry, I get a supp that does those exact things as well.
Interesting side note: the midlaners are pretty damn consistent in not having a shit attitude.
19:30 "you dropped to 5.4k again yikes" xD lol
LOL rank resetting gg
topson: just play game
speed: think when to use spell why he is hitting a puck why does the univers exist
Strong players give good materials to analyze, even if it is not intentional
i guess playing 15 hours a day makes all these a muscle memory
edit: imagine all these plays and its just a muscle memory
10:02 - "[...]and *refreshering* your mind[...]"
This is how you know you're playing too much Dota. When "refresh" becomes "refresher".
I love this content. Recently moved from CS to Dota and I have 800 hrs. I've ranked up three times from Crusader to now Archon 2 watching these. Keep going!
Bro how recent? because 800 hrs is a lot
@@entityzero1269 i have 8k hours of dota
@@entityzero1269 I had 500or so hrs in 2014 but put the game down. Recently returned in the past few months baha
thats great progress man! been playing since 2016 and still hardstuck ancient. These vids really are a blessing
@@entityzero1269 800 hours a lot 😂 good one.
Wish my college classes could just be speed drawing on a whiteboard teaching me DotA
neight treighn same LOL
"try to get a friend" ok
Lordie how’s your search going so far
I guess I'll quit DotA
team games too easy. If u play with your team you win. solo pubs are more unpredictable and therefore more fun. Theres way more diving because it doesnt get punished.
You missed to point out when going on the puck in the beginning , he fortifies structures so that the creeps don’t die while taking the tower aggro, thereby ensuring the first blood with his sleight of fist
well spotted
Amazing video speed I'm divine 2 and learnt so much from it pls make another one for offlane/safelane or even mid lane again keep up the great work
Topson's described his gameplay as "Disruptive" and not letting the opponent play their game. It's actually one of the more modern mid-player mentalities; a lot of the great mid players over the last 10 years come from DotA's old "3 core" games, where all three cores are like farming heroes. The 4-protect-1 was something that existed even then, but it was for specific heroes, and not so much a strategic way of playing. I feel like the meta today has shifted just because of players like Topson who want to make plays, not farm their items (even though actually farming is more efficient), but how Topson does it has been perfected over so long (seriously for every game he wins, I'm sure he has lost 10 just because of his playstyle), he makes it look easy. It's actually incredible how efficient he is at making plays.
Edit: Also Topson almost always skills 2-0-2 and then maxes his tree dance with Monkey King. Some times he'll skill it an even 3-3-3 and he almost never goes ult early. He is basically looking to snowball his hero in anyway possible; if he gets his jingu stacks, he does his usual style of pressuring and killing the enemy mid, but in more passive lanes like Magnus who can just go farm stacks and side camps, he will flash farm creeps and I've even seen him jump to the midlane creeps so they get shoved in faster (and so it has to be dealt with).
2:57 he uses flameguard bcause he knows puck will use W to burst the range creep
that's tight
Your final Advice Crushed me man.. "Try to get a Friend" Feelsbadman
Ive been coming across your videos and I like the way you explain everything and show subtle naunces most average players overlook. Thank you, subbed.
Speed knows that you only do is play dota so he said "try to get a friend" before the video ends
Cool video. I don’t do most of this advanced stuff but have started stacking camps in lane and it has helped me farm so fast and get a big advantage.
that steam message at 19:28 lmao
So proud cuz you've mentioned chris luck who is a peruvian player, he has an agressive style and I recomend you have to analyze some peruvian players like 'whisper', 'Héctor K1' and of course 'scofield'
its just beautiful watchin his gameplay and gettin the explanation of everything he does. love topson and love you 2 speeed
I really enjoy these videos! They’ve been helping my dota game massively.
That "what did you learn?" from Topson, hits me. 7:48
"Topson is a psychopath"
i mean, have you seen his pugna?
Ta aD I look up to his pugna haha
Ta aD i've saw it many times,, he looks like a dolphin.
do u know what a dolpin do to it prey? it toying the prey till death / dying b4 eat it
pugna is pugking good here
19:21 " Try to get a friend " that might be harder than beating Topson 1v1 😢😂
19:22 "try to get a friend" huh?
18:30 how did monkey king walk up & down the river jus like that???????
yeah saw that too, was scratching my head... anyone know?
It’s a bug from replay
8:37 he eats Faerie Fire the exact same frame as he gets hit by puck. If he were several milliseconds late, he would be dead.
17:02 what is that pathing? Straight down the cliff then up his own side cliff with a MK?
You need to be a pro to do that
Replay is from an older patch w/ a different map so it doesn't look right on the new game client
I don't have money for Gameleap subscription, but here friend, take my like, its the least i can do for great guys like you
19:28 "you dropped to 5.4k again yikes" lmao
7:19 the 200IQ Glyph just to make sure he wont die. You guys didn't notice or might think it's because the top tower was attacked, but im sure its Topson. XD
Lol its him
It's common tho
17:31 Did you actually mute N0Tail? Maybe you muted him because you once played against him and he was all-chatting you huh? XD
Thank you for hard work man. Nice one.
I stil dunno why you guys don't have more subscribers. There are so much Dota players and this channel is fucking fire.
Dunno how you dont have every single dota player subscribed.
so many important thinks gives us. and i always sharing your youtube channel in my facebook live stream. Thank you much all this stuffs
great points, great guide. next up: how to bm tip like notail
very nice content. I'm trying to move to pos2 from roaming. 5.8k mmr playing here!
I just came back to play dota as lockdown. Please tell me that its just a bug i see ember can walk through highground narrowly at 8:38 and 17:05
thanks for the video as usual speed, very informational and helpful
wow speed, nice breakdown
very useful content keep it up speed
Please make more vids about Godson/Chadson
17:05 how did mk walked through the river and go up the river edge ???
Replays from old map, i think.
hacks
18:25 How the hell Monkey King walked through the cliffs?
你早拜托 Topson played the older patch with older map at that time
@@ummarasyraf1504 I see. Make sense. Thank you.
Hey, cool video but can you explain what happens right after the glimpse at about 17:03
He also used glyph to kill the puck and get fb i think you didnt mention that ;) amazing analysis :)
Do a Gorgc game play analysis
0:47 what? he aggro creeps by attacking Nyx from another lane?
iceiceice does that alot if you watch his stream
Its called global aggro and its a tactic used when the hero in your lane isnt visible.
i first saw that when miracle did it and it blew my mind. still cant compare to ana winning lanes without knowing about creep aggro concept though
Wtf! I dint know that. Thanks for this man now i can use that too. I dint notice it xd
If Speed says Topson is a psychopath, Topson is a psychopath.
Thanks for sharing .
10:40 that mk looks like omni and it shows grimstroke on the avatar...
Replay bug
Your right with the point you made when u walk back they will get in your range
what are these in game towers? how did you get them?
amazing now can u do one with sf and ember ? or something like that ? od n huskar ?
Good analyses
Speed,,, who do you think is worth more to learn to play mid, SF or MK
that mid movement video was sick, that ladder bait from just being dominant is nice, but sneaking auto as mk was neat.
I played vs a timber as templar, the guy keep putting his huge model on top of creeps, you could not cs without missclicking him even tho i aggroed he followed everytime, i bet you can build whirling stacks the same way you show here.
Use a-move to attack creeps. If i remember right it attacks the closest unit to your cursor. So clicking at the right spot should get you a lasthit even if the enemy tries to block the creep with hero model.
Im pretty sure he was considered a mediocre midlaner on pro standards during (and after i guess) his first TI, since im pretty sure he lost his lane most of the time. He has always had a very different mid play style and that makes him so good. He might lose the 1v1, but goes ganking everywhere and wrecks havoc wherever he goes and then ends up winning after all. Now he seems to be winning the lane as well :D
Yeah in ti8 but not in ti9. He rekt almost every player in ti9.
Especially his mk, pugna
what i said, try play aggresive since there no backup enemy that always gank mid, and still remember to deny and lh creep too at same time.
one important thing that you missed. he always man fights the opponent at level 1. i think thats like his rule or smt idk. and if you think about it, actually his 100% right. if you're playing melee hero and your opponent is ranged, you have to exchange blows. the ranged heroes will try to harass you anyway. so its better to exchange hits instead of getting harassed and do nothing.
how does he jumps the river ridge? or its just a replay bug?
Speeed could you make a video about configurations and better ways to use the keyboard and stuff?
Tiura Suarez honestly I don’t know about that topic, I prefer to talk about I understand
@@SpeeedYT No problem speed, I get you, maybe in the future(?
Dissecting the laning stage in this manner is definitely helpful to a lot of players While this may be focused in the midlane some concepts are actually doable in the sidelane.
Enjoyed the video! Thanks Speed! Ma Man! #SpeedPog
Could you do a video on an effective Engima in this current patch/meta? And or Chen?
16:15 look at his items wtf i need answer
What got you confused?
1st of all - tango. Common i dont think i have to explain regen to you. Right?
Okay. Now he have quelling blade which isnt just common its a must. Its extra 18 dmg on creeps nearly for free.
He have the components of a wraith brand which are 2 all stat + 3 agility
Its going to be WB anyway very common no questioning here.
Lastly, band of the elvenskin.
450 gold for 6 agility.
What he actually gets is 6 attack speed 6 damage and as every 7 agi = 1 armor.
I believe he had atleast 1 odd agility point which combines with the band and grants him 1 armor.
These stats from the band are very close to the old ring of aquila. Yet its half the price.
And more than that, he is just going to wrap up this band into a yasha.
You might ask why not 10 agility piece first?
1.the price! The blade of alacrity cost 1k gold and provides 10 agi. In quick maths
It would be 4.5 agility if its cost was 450 gold. So this item compared to the band is a scam of agility.
2.timings! Youre doing better in net worth than your enemy middle.
Now you want to pressure him even more, simply telling him you cant contest me anymore. How you do that? You take advantage of stats. You buy stuff!
For example. Mk net is 2k? And magnus is 1.3k, thats a big lead. Only the problem is that youre saving for the 10 agility blade which means your current gold is like 780 (for example) and what happens that you dont actually have the blade yet. And having this gold doesnt make you any stronger unless you actually use it.
Which means in terms of net comparement? Substract these 780 gold cuz youre not using them.
2k - 780 = 1.22k which leaves around the same net as magnus. Which also means you are even. You can be contested, and if youve made a little mistake such as standing out of position, getting bad trades, Youre going to be slowly getting pressured by magnus as youre not overpowering him with items. Even tho theoretically you have more net.
So you just buy the stats. Youre going to save them for yasha and for now its going to serve you for the laning pressure.
Its just a good item, in fact he just leaves it there for a while and just goes for the echo sabre which is much more effective than yasha at the early stages.
Before i started to write this comment, i didnt knew this item have so much depth xd. I lowkey impressed myself. As i was thinking on the item through writing this comment.
Sorry for the long paragraphs xd
this was probably the best--or at least one of the best--game play analyses i've seen. thanks man, astute observations!
Whatever this guy is saying its 100% true. It is not over explaining
18:07 Can anyone tell me how he managed to ignore the cliff pathing there? Is it a replay bug or what?
Want to know too
It's a replay bug, the game was played on the old map but the replay was watched on the new patch. There used to be stairs there
@@finquinlan7368 I didn't recall the old map has stairs there. Thanks for pointing that out.
When I watch these videos my guardian rank became ancient thanks men👍
i love ur chaneel bro I hope to leave 2k with your videos xd
just spam sven till ancient
In common pub, puck definitely got blamed HARD by entire team
Topson's really good there is really something that i don't know even tho i'm 16yr reached 7.4k.. Also speed is good at explaining of how topson does work out his lane. Not gonna lie i learned something thanks.
How dare you call Chadson a psychopath, Velocity!!
topson is so goood man
Not just top 70 Immortal but top 70 EU. So like 500 ranks above Speeed.
do u have any ideas why he dont brought a orb of venon since is good in a lots of matchups vs melees... ?
1lanadoto probably because he knows magnus is a good creeps killer because of empower so he counters it by buying early stat items.
You forgot to say that he use a glyph fortification so that the tower will keep on hitting the creep and can damage the puck then uses a sleight of fist. Sorry for the grammar.
Video starts at 1:25
Is octarine core still viable for puck in the current patch ?
Not really
i think the mk part, just shows how good topson is with the mk, you can see the thousand of hours
CHADSON!
i watched the MK game live in Gorgc's Twitch, well it was hella fun
Gorgc was in pick stage "pls no topson MK PLS NO" "topson picks MK" later on "oh we have synderen in our team, we wont loose" "wins the game"
18:23 how did he get down and up the highground without pathing?
Replay bug, it is showing the old map
Replay bug, on the replay we can see old map, don't know why. There's a path at the spot on the new map now.
I think it's a replay bug of a game with old map
I never thought I can be as good like Topson. I have mastered his move at 15:08
17:22 he wasn't trying to shove the wave with his Q here. He was mainly trying to CS the catapult with boundless.
i havent played in 6 months but how does the mk walk across the terrain on the river?
The game was on old patch but the viewer has new patch. :)
He always harass the opponent then eat his shared tango then shipped a tango asap almost always like that
noticed that as well
huh can u also explain how he walks over cliff like its not there??? do u have to win ti twice to unlock this feature
Hey speed i have always liked your videos and you analysis but i have a question you always talk about pro but how come synderen mage bamboe even bulldog and many more still have relatively very high mmr i think you should make one video on them too
Near 18:24 he walks straight down and up the hill? How is this
Lol the message the guy sent you at the end of the video
Topson is one of the most agressive player in dota thats why he can be the weakness of his team , he can easily be shutdown. But if topson win his lane he is going to roam around the making space to either his offlane or carry
You dont really shut down an aggressive player. Thats the point. You shut down a player thats farming, not someone who is constantly roaming and ganking. He often doesnt even win his lane, he just gets enough levels and starts going around the map killing everybody. Pro tip for all miders: If you lose your lane go win other lanes.
Lol he is the sacrificial player, you shut down him so what?? The carry is still farming lol. Look at ti9 lol, his aggressive playstyle basically rekt any pro teams and they could end the game within 30 or even 20 min if they want. But sometimes OG likes to play with their food since no team is close to them right now. If og is still the same 5 players I am not surprise that they will win the 3rd ti this year
They almost lost to psg.lgd because of him
@@judecaponpon9159 well he is inconsistent in ti8 but his arc warden, pugna did a pretty good job tho
19:32
"You dropped to 5,4k again yikes"
albinozebra1 standing by to bomb your videos
18:24 what is that casual downhill walk
@Vivat thanks for clarifying . I was freaking out
17:05 wtf who's that? How did he run through the wall?
Fr bro. Hackers. Can’t learn shit from hackers
I still have no idea how he walk through High Ground 18:07
Something i have realized from Topson, is that by dying he prevents his networth to grow to insane levels. He will stomp and get a lot of kills. But he will also die several times. By doing that he plays with his net worth. Preventing a massive Beyond Godlike Spree. Only once the game reaches the late parts, he will start going on massive killing sprees, since he will have enough items to survive.
How is Topson running up and down cliffs in the MK replay?
Replay is an older replay from old map before patch.