STL TONALITY WILL PUTNEY SUITE VS. FORTIN NAMELESS SUITE PLUGIN SHOOTOUT
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- This video is a shootout between the STL Tonality Will Putney Suite from STL Tones Vs. the Fortin Nameless Suite by Neural DSP! I love both of these plugins so much! Which do you guys like better?!
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Both are super great.
But STL sat better in the mix imho.
Coming back to this several months later, deciding which to buy. IMO, now that I've heard a bunch of different tones from both I say STL Will Putney wins. Yes the Nameless has more cab flexibility as far as moving mics around etc, but STL just sounds a bit more mix ready / natural at the same time. Theres something about the Nameless that is like grinding my teeth. This sorta mid jangling and stringy top end that turns me off. It works for lotsa things but it's just not my style. STL has warmth and life by comparison. Still think they both sound beast but I'm putting my cash on STL.
Peace.
Dude the stl sounds amazing in this vid.
I totally agree! They both sound massive
The Nameless still kills it on rhythm tone IMO. But the STL has amazing versatility and I really love that they included a bass amp as well.
Totally agree buddy! They’re both so sick and both bring something unique to the table
STL is my weapon of choice :) Neural stuff is really good but I can't stand the noise gate and those don't feel as 'real' as STL stuff.
Great content, cheers!
i use the plug ins with a decimator 2 always, i never use the NG in the vsts. Try that if u can
I know what you mean dude. This whole past year i had been using the plini Archetype and thought it was the best thing i had ever heard...minus the gate lol...but then just the other day i saw a review on the STL and tried it out and it changed my life. You can hear those fuckin amps breath. Still use the Plini for all of my clean stuff though.
@@andrewsanchez4988 which ones are you using now???
You’re correct brother! The Fortin nameless suite is based off the fortin meshuggah amp! Sick comparison dude! Strongly considering pick up the will putney suite!
Thanks buddy! Man you have to! STL TOnes and Neural DSP are both a must in your plugin collection!
Man im seriously impressed with the STL! It sounded so much better I thought than the Fortin. Is there anywhere posted your mixing/mastering routines? The mix sounds so good dude!
Thanks buddy! Yeah man I love the STL tones stuff! And yes sir I’ve got tutorials all throughout my channel and I’ve got many more on the way!
I'm going with the Fortin because it dont have all the bell's and whistles the STL does, it's very straightforward and sounds just as good with much less to tweak! Both are extremely great plugins and I'll be acquiring the STL after I purchase the nameless, I already own the NTS and it slays
hell yeah my dude!
I used both of them in a mix last night which sounds awesome. Fortin adds that extra little low end.
I feel this video comparison had Fortin not as bright as I've seen in other Fortin videos. STL sounds a little more polished though and less unruly
Thanks for your comment man! Honestly I feel like the fortin is super bright which is which I dialed back a bit. Anyways it’s alway up for interpretation. Thanks for your feedback!
Exactly my sentiments to, I thought he should a dialed the Fortin in just as bright for a more accurate comparison
Whats up Ray! Nice comparison! the Fortin nameless Suite sounded a little bit tighter. But none the less they both sound Really good!
Hey thanks for the feedback bob! Yeah I love both of them honestly! They both sound killer for different reasons
Diezel, wow. Have to check out that STL suite.
You won’t be dissapointed!
Both are amazing.
STL sounds awesome in the mix.
I gotta try that out ASAP.
STL Tonality amp 2 sound amazing!
Nice video. Imo STL sound better is aggressive and Super clean in the same time!
Great video. I really liked the song. I’ll check out your EP now.
Thanks buddy I really appreciate that
My opinion is with the majority of digital amplification I.E. these two or axe Fx/ kemper/ helix the difference in tones are mainly your ear and getting a tone your happy with. I'm about 95% sure with enough time and knowledge of what you are using you can get almost the same tone out of any of the digital amps with exception to effects, reverb and delays modulation and so on. The main difference between all of them in my opinion is out of the box what is easier to get a acceptable tone with minimal time tweaking.
That sounded killer. I was gonna do one of these but you beat me to it haha. Good stuff bro, keep it up!
Never clicked on a video so fast.
Not a bad tone on any of these, was kinda surprised at how the Mesa triple crown had less low end. Still, no less useable that mid focus is awesome for pick attack.
Given you can blend amps in the STL, pairing it with the low end of the 5150 amp would be awesome. The Fortin was stellar as always, a tad more gritty and less defined but still beastly.
Damn, I was so convinced I needed the neural stuff, but now I’m leaning more toward the STL stuff. Either way you can’t go wrong.
Oh, and by that cheeky little pun, did you use Bias for the lead? 🤔😄
YESSSS hahah you’re the first person to get the joke. I dusted off the old OG bias fx. That plugin still has some life in it. Honestly it’s an exciting time for guitar players. STL tones and neural dsp as well as a few other companies are making amazing stuff
Nts is based on my favorite amp of all time.....but so far it hasn’t seemed much better than the audio assault hellbeast which substantially costs less.....but the stl sounded better on rhythm, wasn’t too crazy about solo tone...the neural wins for me, despite liking the rhythm tones more from the stl....but vai wannabe shredding is my thing, but I m sure I could dial a pleasing tone on both.....great comparison kudos on a job and service well done :)
I grabbed the STL Tonality last night so I was able to compare it firsthand to the Nameless Suite. They're pretty damn close but the Nameless Suite still wins for an all-around rhythm tone in my opinion. Of course, different sounds for different scenarios. It never hurts to have multiple great sounds at your disposal. In this video, I prefer the sound of the STL Tonality in the mix, but in the context of my own playing/music, I know that the Nameless edges it out a bit. You really can't go wrong with either one, but I will say that Nameless still has the most brutal tone of any amp sim I've used. It's like a wrecking ball covered in spikes that can growl at you. It's just so mean-sounding. Great comparison vid, I enjoyed the track a lot.
Awesome comparison video! I'm glad i bought the STL Will Putney Suite (still sounds like shit with a shite guitar though ;) ). And STL Tones have 40% off sale until this Monday ( Feb. 17th)
Awesome. Thought I’d like Fortin better but I was wrong. Also, I used to do quad tracking until I heard Ola saying he preferred double tracking. Double tracking rhythms hard panned sound most clean and organic to me. You should do a video on double tracking vs quad tracking.
Both sound killer for different reasons. Sweet riffing too man.
No problem. One should get both, relish in the inspiration, and get to creating....win-win. Regards.
Exactly! Both are amazing for their own unique qualities
Oh man great demo! They all sound great in there own different way. In saying that would need to have all 5 because,....well just that because!
So since watching this video I got STL Putney. Mixed a song with bias fx2, Putney, and Fortin underneath. Gnarliest guitar tone I've ever gotten.
Man this is splitting hairs! I thought the STL was better in the mix too, but the Fortin OG sounded better solo. STL is giving Fortin a run for their money for sure!
A tone in between these 2 tones would be ideal
Yeah i kinda agree honestly
Each pluggin has their own tone. Both are good.
great video....sure would be nice to see metal reviews in standard E....all we get is ultra drop tuning these days.
Really hard to compare them if there is any reason to compare anything. STL tones are made with the help of producers and Neural DSP's stuff is made with the help of players and amp creators. So far anything I've tested from STL tones just sits in the mix in a snap. Nothing to scoop, not many weird frequencies to dump or boost. Neural's stuff sounds more organic and will still need a bit of processing to sit in the mix and this just makes it great for people that have to deal with different types of drumkits other than vsts. To my ears, comparing these two just doesn't make sence. Hope I didn't trigger anyone, I'm just saying that both serve a different purpose and comparing them serves none. Would love to hear the end result when Neural's tones are processed to sit in the mix and compared to how STL Tonality sounds. Liked the video anyway and wouldn't have commented on it if I didn't as there was work put into it.
John Memos thanks for pointing this out! I’m looking into getting a new amp sim and since I’m a producer myself, I don’t necessarily need it to be “mix-ready” since I can mix it myself. I’m more interested in the tones each amp sims produce. However, it’s hard for me to not like the STL immediately since it sounds so good in these mixes. I guess I will just have to play them each myself.
@@josaniracheta1463 You are right. If it sounds good it is good, none is gonna ask what you used as long as it sounds nice.
I like them both. I goit the NTS too. I just pulled the trigger on the Putney sim. Gotta have those tones.
both are awesome. i would use left channel-STL right Channel-FNS :)
8j different parts of the song, each one has a little more flair. I'd just use whatever responds the best and then try to eq or something to make them closer, so the song doesn't sound disjointed. You might even be able to blend the two at varying degrees.
Fortin still rules!
I keep going back and forth between Fortin nameless and nts, stl putney and bias fx2.
I know you use bias fx2 for leads a lot. I feel a lot of people in the metal world look down on bias fx2 but i still find it the easiest to get as good tone. Fortin definitely is amazing but a lot of times when I’m looking for a go to tone is the switchblade or Hargen.
STL definitely the realest sound, however I will say Fortin seems fine to track with because the response is a quick attack.
You’re so right about the attack with the fortin! I just find it tough to tame sometimes. Controlled chaos!
@@xanderraymondcharles what's weird is you see a of people talking trash on bias but I invested in that and bias amp 2 before Fortin and STL Putney came out. I still use it a my primary tone because it's a very clear signal. However I'm using my own IRs.
I'm convinced you can make any of these amp sims sound how you want with the right IRs.
Plus just got bias fx2 and it's really good. Have it sounding a lot better then Ola or Spectre sound reviews.
Neural and STL plugins are still the best on the market for me.
The STL is just crazy good.
To me, in this comparison, STL sounds more open and clear. What are your thoughts on STL, Neural vs something like the Boss Katana 50 II? A bit apples and oranges but getting into the same price range for 2x plugs etc.
I love STL
Fortin Nameless all the way for me! \m/
Don't get me wrong; I do like a lot of what Neural DSP has put out. But the Nameless reminds me of a good amp that's had half its frequencies cut out. To me, it's definitely heavy-sounding but lacks body and doesn't sound right in a mix IMO. Maybe where it would shine is with lower tunings, doing Meshuggah style music or when mixed with other amps when using less downtuned guitars.
Great shootout bro! I bought the Will Putney yesterday and it is a great one, but Nameless is still the best. In fact I put this STL third behind the Fortin NTS. Thanks again Ray!!
Could you please do gear through the years of kirk hammet
Yes sir. I promise you it’ll be up within the week
Stay Metal Ray thanks a lot
Awesome playing :-). Why did you switch guitars at the end?
Nice Sulfur riff!
You’re the first person to recognize it! Thanks Bryan!
@@xanderraymondcharles One of my favorites! Thanks for the video!
Man that nameless suite plugin holds up against everything. 🤘
Kinda hard to compare these since none of the amps in STL are even close to the Nameless tonally. All of the STL amps sounded thinner in comparison, but I have no idea if that is the modelling or if the Nameless is just a thick ass amp.
the cabs are going to have a whole lot to do with it
@@xsonicassassinx very true, I think neural dsp have the best cab sims right now. I use IRs with every other plugin, but I prefer the stock neural cabs over IRs.
@@TylerSocholotuik i wonder if they'd ever sell that separately
Well you can go wrong with fortin because when you guy it and it dosen't work theres no one to answer to it. They dont answer emails. They dont list a contact and they dont respond to any of their ads.
Create an ilok account, sign in once, and you'll be all set.
I should clarify. Go to ilok website. Download their free ilok license manager. When you load the Fortin, it will prompt you to sign into ilok. Do this one time and you're good to go forever.
Awesome riffage. The STL just cuts through. STL got more fire, Nameless more balls.
Yeah nameless is more power amp. STL is more pre amp
If U only have 150USD and U need a plug in to use for a year will u get the Howard benson or will Putney?
will putney hands down!
Stay Metal Ray wow that was a quick reply thanks bro reallu needed the answer since you are more experienced with amp sims thank you so much
@@p1eceofheavenn200 hey no problem! Happy to help!
man your riifs are awesome, you should realease an album or something! would love to hear it
Thanks buddy! I already have two EPS and an album out. Check the description
STL definitely
YOU SON OF A BITCH!!
YOU GOT THE EVIL TWIN!!
Hey Ray, were you using the distortion in front of the amps in the stl plugin?
Yes I was using their OD in the plugin
Stay Metal Ray ok, thanks. And keep the good content, you're killing it lately
Thanks man! Im really going for it. I want to push this channel so far this summer Im gonna keep cranking out quality videos@@federicogarufi479
My friend, what preset for the STL are you using in the mix part? 2:43 made me cream my pants
How much post processing are you doing on the STL rhythms in the mix?
Hardly any. Just hpf and lpf
@@xanderraymondcharles Nice! Really considering the purchase now. Did you tweak a preset or just pick and roll with it?
thanks man! Honestly hand to god I just used their presets. I didn't do a thing to them. Its amazing straight from the getgo@@samguaiana2027
Stl ... fortin sounds boxey and dosnt cut in the mix
I think I just had an epileptic seizure due to the strobe light in the first song.
That’s pretty metal
Thought it was Ola's amp???
Ola's Randall Satan is based on the Fortin Natas. NeuralDSP models that particular amp in the NTS suite in VST format.
Yeah, Ola said so in his last coffee with Ola, he sent them his amp to model, if I recall correctly
stl
by this comparison the stl sounds WAY better!
Ehmmm..no. But tastes are different. All STL tones here sounded MUCH thinner to me.
Stl win
Never really got along with the Nameless amp. In this comparison the Nameless sounds like ass. Fun to jam with but it sounds awful here in my opinion.
How dude, you just got it. Nameless isn't og it just came out a few months ago. Get more experience with the will putney then do a video.
Why are you trying to tell me what to do?
I said the nameless is the OG for the fortin and neural dsp plugins. Geeze man
This guy is a total hack! What are those KRK's you randy?!