amazing in depth explanation of the new firmware! I also wonder if there's any significant difference between 12 bit vs 10 bit colour depth. It might be cool to see a detailed video about this topic! Also compared to 14bit/16bit?? Thank you!
Great to see a comprehensive piece on the update and beautiful footage that is very much what the c70 is all about. Also it’s great to extend these reviews to post and grading. As fantastic as other posts by our usual RUclips favourites may be, many ignore this essential part of the process. Likewise great to see you posting the camera files for use. Essential though again often overlooked by many. Maybe it’s just me but it seems like the quality of the posts recently have been excellent and it feels like the team have found a sweet spot. These are simply perfect short pieces that have a lovely positive and knowing vibe. Without being overly technical or pushing the product in any way, they inspire getting out and shooting. Super well done to all the team and keep the great work up. And thank you.
So if you had to summarize some of the trade-offs of shooting raw - 1) no 120fps 2) no digital IS 3) slightly more taxing on NLE. Otherwise all the same functions as shooting 10bit?
Anymore i really just don’t see differences big enough in the image to justify going one way or the other within the prosumer market. A7S3, BMPCC6K, Komodo, etc. i don’t really see a difference until Red Raptor, Alexa, Venice level. It’s just features beyond that. The one that always surprised me most though was the 5D3 magic lantern 14-bit raw image. Absolutely incredible
Each has different charecteristics and benefits, but yeah feature set and workflow are big differentiations between them! It's such an amazing time to be a filmmaker. Jake
so, are you saying you turned the noise reduction settings on during your XF-AVC tests? That's why it performed better in the shadows? As default the camera applies no noise reduction, even in XF-AVC, right? You have to specify it, correct? What amount did you have the noise reduction parameters set to?
re: compression. i don't think that's a fair comparison, because you're talking about data rates for 4k raw vs 6k and 8k raw. unless i'm missing something?
I've been looking for a camera that would be my next choice to upgrade to. And I think the C70 will be that camera. Of course, I had to visit CVP to get the information I needed to make this decision. Thanks for your clear and easy to understand explanation of the RAW update.
This is a great overview, as always, top-notch presentation and that gorgeous footage! I have a totally newbie question and hopefully someone here can assist me? I have the C70 and love that I can generate proxies. However, I'm a little confused as to how to use them together with the RAW footage in a timeline in DR. My Mac Studio (Max) plays the RAW pretty well until I add some NR, which is to be expected as it is taxing on any machine. I'd like to use proxies and I was able to link proxies and toggle them on/off (btw, I love that DR 18 beta now uses a proxies icon when using proxies!). So this is my question: when using proxies, are you NOT supposed to use the RAW settings? If I tweak temp on the RAW file with proxies off I see the changes, but when I turn the proxies off I don't see changes. Something tells me that I may be missing something obvious here or I'm just not so well-versed on how RAW works in a timeline? Please advice if anyone can! And thanks again for another great video!
So how does the C70 compares to the R5C now? Kinda feel sad it doesn’t have 8k (also for oversampled 4k) I shoot both photo and video and trying to decide if i should buy a R5 + C70 or just a R5C… (So go hybrid)
Great video as always! If possible, would be great if you could compare the differences between raw ST and LT to understand how much difference there is in color rendition recovering the highlights or heavily lifting the shadows. Also wondering if there would be a difference in editing performance chosing one format over the other Personally I see the Lt raw as the ideal replacement for the XF-AVC in many situations, being lighter and able to shoot up to 60p (plus I imagine the audio would be always captured in 24 bits, something the H264/265 codecs apart the XF-AVC won't allow) ;)
We actually shot our latitude tests in lt and st. Check out the Vimeo link in the description. Editing performance seemed somewhat similar. Thanks for watching, Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks again! I'm sure there's a difference but I couldn't spot even on Vimeo from my device, so far I think Raw Lt eventually would be the way to go for me ; )
Hello, I am new to C70. Please advise who has the same issue - is the image stabilization disabled automatically in RAW mode (regardless LT or ST)? or it is only my camera issue?
*How I wish there was a 6K or 8K version of this excellent camera ! 4K is a delivery format, and I have no further use for another 4K resolution only production camera.*
When shooting raw do you still need to shoot at iso 800? when you select extended iso you can shoot at iso 100 but im not sure if you lose dynamic range that way in raw?
Plus the option to shoot RAW in those Frame & Interval Recording Modes. And RAW when capturing stills. I really don't need the high resoltution stills coming out of a R5C and 9MP is plenty for on-screen, even for printing out a 6x4" picture. So if Canon would fix that I'll be happy.
The firmware update/ shooting in RAW LT seems to have affected the autofocus significantly. It doesn't autofocus anymore unless I continually press the 10 button. Do you know anything about this? Is there a workaround to allow the autofocus to work normally in RAW LT mode?
Can you adjust ISO and Colour Temp in post processing with these RAW files like you can with ProRes RAW (via Atomos) files in Final Cut Pro? thanks for the video.
@@CVPTV Thank you for your video. I would like to ask how to edit C70 raw in final cut. I found that it can be edited in PR and DaVinci, but there seems to be no option to adjust the iso and white balance of the original raw in final cut, and in The adjustments in the color palette that come with Final Cut are lossy.
@@JM-xl3ij Thank you for your video. I would like to ask how to edit C70 raw in final cut. I found that it can be edited in PR and DaVinci, but there seems to be no option to adjust the iso and white balance of the original raw in final cut, and in The adjustments in the color palette that come with Final Cut are lossy.
@@user-ix2vf8dx1v Since my last post - I have moved over completely to DaVinci. Final Cut unfortunately has not kept up with development. C70 Raw files handle simply and beautifully in DVR.
Is it possible you tell us what parameters we have to use in resolve to edit raw with c70 ?? You mentioned something at 9:28 seconds but it was really not visible to the audience! Thanks Or if not I can email you guys and perhaps someone can tell me what settings to use in resolve to edit canon raw ?
It will work in Resolve no issues, what I am talking about there is the decode quality. "Choosing the correct decode quality is important as there is a big difference between using Resolve's debayer and Canon’s. I would suggest using Canon’s to get it looking similar to the debayer being used in the camera. I would also suggest turning off or at least adjusting the +10 sharpness that is automatically applied when you are using clip decode. Premiere looks to use Canon’s one by default." Jake
Hey Guys, I've downloaded your sample footage (huge thank you btw!) and I notice many artifacts, like blinking pixels etc. You can even see this in your RAW review at 4:58 when you zoom in, next to the sign there is a brighter pillar or so that has several flickering pixels/blocks... is this due to your camera or is this something the C70 just does?
@@CVPTV Hey Jake. I've tried downloading all C70 RAW Material I could find on the internet and none of the other cameras exhibit this problem. I think it has to do with your particular body.
@@CVPTV I've just checked the manual - ISO100 was the lowest. Not sure why I couldn't get hat low before so I must have configured extended ISO or something 🙂
Excellent video… Thank you! I see that you have a Canon raw light plug-in in Premiere… I cannot find that plug-in anywhere… Can you please direct me to the link to download it? Thanks
@@CVPTV Yes, correct, but it looks like you have a canon raw light effect that you are applying to clips in premiere (at 9:03 in your video). Is that a standard effect found in Premiere, or something that you installed/added? Thanks
@@ruff1draft Drop me an email via jake@cvp.com. I believe we have on in our used stock but I can’t find it on the website. I can send you pricing when I’m in the office. Jake
Pretty much yes. I use a Ursa mini right now but I have some issues with it. Besides I work alone so I think the fx6 is the right camera for me. The c70 is nice but Rf lenses are so pricey and I don't like the form factor too ( too much like a dslr). First impressions matter with some of my clients..
Always watch your reviews, very well made and good style Just for interest go to cvp page and sort for most viewing videos, and very surprised. They are not in top. What wrong with this world Thx for your work
8 days late? We didn’t get access to the firmware until everyone else did so we shot and released this between now and then. Not everything communicated on the 1st of April is an April fools!! Jake
Cameras are tools, different tools for different jobs and some tools are better for some jobs than others. I agree the skill of the operator is the most important but it's not ALL about the operator. Jake
Has Canon finally turned a page? They've been releasing great stuff with Panasonic level firmware drops.
Insanely helpful tests and review of all the features of this update 💚
amazing in depth explanation of the new firmware!
I also wonder if there's any significant difference between 12 bit vs 10 bit colour depth.
It might be cool to see a detailed video about this topic! Also compared to 14bit/16bit??
Thank you!
Great to see a comprehensive piece on the update and beautiful footage that is very much what the c70 is all about. Also it’s great to extend these reviews to post and grading. As fantastic as other posts by our usual RUclips favourites may be, many ignore this essential part of the process. Likewise great to see you posting the camera files for use. Essential though again often overlooked by many. Maybe it’s just me but it seems like the quality of the posts recently have been excellent and it feels like the team have found a sweet spot. These are simply perfect short pieces that have a lovely positive and knowing vibe. Without being overly technical or pushing the product in any way, they inspire getting out and shooting. Super well done to all the team and keep the great work up. And thank you.
Great video Jake! Always love seeing your detailed videos
So if you had to summarize some of the trade-offs of shooting raw - 1) no 120fps 2) no digital IS 3) slightly more taxing on NLE. Otherwise all the same functions as shooting 10bit?
there're some artifacts on the footage, you can tell in several test but its more prominent in 10:08
Yes there is, well spotted. I have reached out to Canon about this and wanted to get their response before discusssing what it could be. Jake
@@CVPTV thanks Jake ! Looking forward to the update on that.
Amazing update, i want one of these next to my R5
Anymore i really just don’t see differences big enough in the image to justify going one way or the other within the prosumer market. A7S3, BMPCC6K, Komodo, etc. i don’t really see a difference until Red Raptor, Alexa, Venice level. It’s just features beyond that. The one that always surprised me most though was the 5D3 magic lantern 14-bit raw image. Absolutely incredible
Each has different charecteristics and benefits, but yeah feature set and workflow are big differentiations between them! It's such an amazing time to be a filmmaker. Jake
Hi the c70 raw footage download link seems expired, can you please make it available again? Thank you!
useful video on C70 updates.
Thanks for all of your hard work lads : D really thorough breakdown
Thanks for watching Thomas! Jake
so, are you saying you turned the noise reduction settings on during your XF-AVC tests? That's why it performed better in the shadows? As default the camera applies no noise reduction, even in XF-AVC, right? You have to specify it, correct? What amount did you have the noise reduction parameters set to?
re: compression. i don't think that's a fair comparison, because you're talking about data rates for 4k raw vs 6k and 8k raw. unless i'm missing something?
I love C70 Cinema RAW Light! Will make a lot of use in my music video
hey the link for the c70 footage is expired, can you upload another one
How do you set the slow shutter below 1/15 sec?
I choose "slow" in "shutter mode" but I can't go below 1/15. I can only increase to 1/30.
I've been looking for a camera that would be my next choice to upgrade to. And I think the C70 will be that camera. Of course, I had to visit CVP to get the information I needed to make this decision. Thanks for your clear and easy to understand explanation of the RAW update.
It's an awesome camera! Glad we could help with your purchasing decision, thanks for watching. Jake
@@CVPTV Are there any current links to download sample C70 raw footage to work with? The link above expired. Thanks!
Would be nice to have anamorphic 4:3 50p in raw ST, and maybe 4:3 100p DGO in raw LT.
Would you mind to upload again the C70 footage ? Thank you in advance.
Love this review. Thank you.
Thanks for watching Sarah! Jake
I love your content! I'm interested in seeing some Nikon Z content, perhaps some on the video capabilities of the Z9? Thank you guys
This is a great overview, as always, top-notch presentation and that gorgeous footage! I have a totally newbie question and hopefully someone here can assist me? I have the C70 and love that I can generate proxies. However, I'm a little confused as to how to use them together with the RAW footage in a timeline in DR. My Mac Studio (Max) plays the RAW pretty well until I add some NR, which is to be expected as it is taxing on any machine. I'd like to use proxies and I was able to link proxies and toggle them on/off (btw, I love that DR 18 beta now uses a proxies icon when using proxies!). So this is my question: when using proxies, are you NOT supposed to use the RAW settings? If I tweak temp on the RAW file with proxies off I see the changes, but when I turn the proxies off I don't see changes. Something tells me that I may be missing something obvious here or I'm just not so well-versed on how RAW works in a timeline? Please advice if anyone can! And thanks again for another great video!
Possible to update the download link? Current WeTransfer link is expired.
So how does the C70 compares to the R5C now?
Kinda feel sad it doesn’t have 8k (also for oversampled 4k)
I shoot both photo and video and trying to decide if i should buy a R5 + C70 or just a R5C… (So go hybrid)
Any chance you can reshare the C70 raw footage? The wetransfer link expired. Thanks!
C70 vs Komodo at this point - what do you think CVP?
Great video as always!
If possible, would be great if you could compare the differences between raw ST and LT to understand how much difference there is in color rendition recovering the highlights or heavily lifting the shadows.
Also wondering if there would be a difference in editing performance chosing one format over the other
Personally I see the Lt raw as the ideal replacement for the XF-AVC in many situations, being lighter and able to shoot up to 60p (plus I imagine the audio would be always captured in 24 bits, something the H264/265 codecs apart the XF-AVC won't allow) ;)
We actually shot our latitude tests in lt and st. Check out the Vimeo link in the description. Editing performance seemed somewhat similar. Thanks for watching, Jake
@@CVPTV Will check the Vimeo link, thanks a lot. :) 🙏🏻
@@CVPTV May be a problem of my browser, but the link on Vimeo seems not working.
Fixed sorry! -vimeo.com/694472044
@@CVPTV Thanks again!
I'm sure there's a difference but I couldn't spot even on Vimeo from my device, so far I think Raw Lt eventually would be the way to go for me ; )
Tricky question! Does AUTO BLACK BALANCE (ABB) matters in RAW? Or it matters only shooting in Codecs?
It matters for both. Jake
@@CVPTV thank you so much Jake!
Hello, I am new to C70. Please advise who has the same issue - is the image stabilization disabled automatically in RAW mode (regardless LT or ST)? or it is only my camera issue?
Do you find the RAW for the C70 as detailed/sharp as the C200 RAW?
Definetely. Jake
That technitian really work with cheap IKEA lamp? Or it's just for a clip?
*How I wish there was a 6K or 8K version of this excellent camera ! 4K is a delivery format, and I have no further use for another 4K resolution only production camera.*
Great information, thank you! Is there anyway to get the sample footage (link expired)?
When shooting raw do you still need to shoot at iso 800? when you select extended iso you can shoot at iso 100 but im not sure if you lose dynamic range that way in raw?
If they can add those slower shutter speed, c70 gonna be the perfect camera.
Plus the option to shoot RAW in those Frame & Interval Recording Modes. And RAW when capturing stills. I really don't need the high resoltution stills coming out of a R5C and 9MP is plenty for on-screen, even for printing out a 6x4" picture. So if Canon would fix that I'll be happy.
Will lens IS still work when recording raw? Does it have any impact on the DGO performance? Just because I read that some modes disable the DGO.
The firmware update/ shooting in RAW LT seems to have affected the autofocus significantly. It doesn't autofocus anymore unless I continually press the 10 button. Do you know anything about this? Is there a workaround to allow the autofocus to work normally in RAW LT mode?
Can you adjust ISO and Colour Temp in post processing with these RAW files like you can with ProRes RAW (via Atomos) files in Final Cut Pro? thanks for the video.
Yes you can! Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks - are there any sample INTERNAL .CRM files where I can test that with ISO. I downloaded some samples but could not see ISO in it.
@@CVPTV Thank you for your video. I would like to ask how to edit C70 raw in final cut. I found that it can be edited in PR and DaVinci, but there seems to be no option to adjust the iso and white balance of the original raw in final cut, and in The adjustments in the color palette that come with Final Cut are lossy.
@@JM-xl3ij Thank you for your video. I would like to ask how to edit C70 raw in final cut. I found that it can be edited in PR and DaVinci, but there seems to be no option to adjust the iso and white balance of the original raw in final cut, and in The adjustments in the color palette that come with Final Cut are lossy.
@@user-ix2vf8dx1v Since my last post - I have moved over completely to DaVinci. Final Cut unfortunately has not kept up with development. C70 Raw files handle simply and beautifully in DVR.
Do you think RAW in the C70 brings the sharpness of the image closer to that of the Canon R5 for example?
I think it improves it, but the 8K or ds 4K out of the R5 C is a class above in regards to resolution. Jake
Is chromatic aberration (blue edges sometimes) normal on the Sigma 150-600mm sport? Just wondering if it’s faulty or normal? Thank you 🙏
Is there any way to still download the raw footage?
Is it possible you tell us what parameters we have to use in resolve to edit raw with c70 ?? You mentioned something at 9:28 seconds but it was really not visible to the audience! Thanks
Or if not I can email you guys and perhaps someone can tell me what settings to use in resolve to edit canon raw ?
It will work in Resolve no issues, what I am talking about there is the decode quality. "Choosing the correct decode quality is important as there is a big difference between using Resolve's debayer and Canon’s. I would suggest using Canon’s to get it looking similar to the debayer being used in the camera. I would also suggest turning off or at least adjusting the +10 sharpness that is automatically applied when you are using clip decode. Premiere looks to use Canon’s one by default." Jake
Would you say the detail Is equal when processing through Premiere/Davinci? or is one better then the other?
Yeah very similar. Jake
Hey Guys, I've downloaded your sample footage (huge thank you btw!) and I notice many artifacts, like blinking pixels etc. You can even see this in your RAW review at 4:58 when you zoom in, next to the sign there is a brighter pillar or so that has several flickering pixels/blocks... is this due to your camera or is this something the C70 just does?
We aren’t sure. We have reached out to Canon and so far haven’t had a response. Jake
@@CVPTV Hey Jake. I've tried downloading all C70 RAW Material I could find on the internet and none of the other cameras exhibit this problem. I think it has to do with your particular body.
Can you check whether minimum ISO has changed - mise shows ISO 100 and I thought 200 was the previous lowest.
Can you please be more specific with what settings you are using? Jake
@@CVPTV I've just checked the manual - ISO100 was the lowest. Not sure why I couldn't get hat low before so I must have configured extended ISO or something 🙂
Compressed RAW in camera? 🤔 Any patents issues coming?
They’ve had no issues with the C300 III and C500 II which have been out for a while. Jake
Excellent video… Thank you! I see that you have a Canon raw light plug-in in Premiere… I cannot find that plug-in anywhere… Can you please direct me to the link to download it?
Thanks
It should be natively supported? Jake
@@CVPTV Yes, correct, but it looks like you have a canon raw light effect that you are applying to clips in premiere (at 9:03 in your video). Is that a standard effect found in Premiere, or something that you installed/added?
Thanks
Sorry, actually at 9:32
I believe that's in Premiere by default, when you have your clip selected just click on the clip source tab! Jake
@@CVPTV Right, thanks, I just saw that!!
So for Canon C70 shooting Raw, will there still be Lens IS enabled? Thank you!
Yes, Lens IS will still work in RAW. Jake
@@CVPTV Thanks！
Very interesting update.Trying not to fomod in and change my a7s3 for this.
The A7SIII is an excellent camera. Just get an Atomos Ninja V if you want to shoot ProRes RAW which is a better raw format anyways
They are both awesome cameras Guido! Luis, there are pro's and con's to both formats. Jake
Are there any used Canon C70s on the market yet.
And also does the Canon C70 have ibis
Yeah I've seen a few come in used to us. It doesn't have sensor ibis, but does have electronic IS which results in a crop on the image too. Jake
@@CVPTV Ok thanks. How much is the Price range of the used Canon C70s
Will depend on your region and how "used" the camera is! Jake
@@CVPTV I am in the London Region Jake. Like the East London region
@@ruff1draft Drop me an email via jake@cvp.com. I believe we have on in our used stock but I can’t find it on the website. I can send you pricing when I’m in the office. Jake
The amount of work people put into an April Fool's joke.
I should have delayed the release of this video...
But it's not though.
Image quality wise, this or a sony fx6 ?
Both are fantastic. The biggest factor is can you wait to get an FX6 or not?
@@CVPTV yeah that's true. I have the money ready for it but can't find one...
Do you need the camera now for your work?
Pretty much yes. I use a Ursa mini right now but I have some issues with it. Besides I work alone so I think the fx6 is the right camera for me. The c70 is nice but Rf lenses are so pricey and I don't like the form factor too ( too much like a dslr). First impressions matter with some of my clients..
Always watch your reviews, very well made and good style
Just for interest go to cvp page and sort for most viewing videos, and very surprised. They are not in top. What wrong with this world
Thx for your work
Thanks for the kind words and for watching! Jake
video 8 days late and realsed today... on the 1st should of done it yesterday uugh me thinking its a joke
8 days late? We didn’t get access to the firmware until everyone else did so we shot and released this between now and then. Not everything communicated on the 1st of April is an April fools!! Jake
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Internal raw that's what she said
Raw expired
April fools
Nope!
@@CVPTV 🤫🤫🤫
Camera is a camera . It's all about the photographer not the tech
Cameras are tools, different tools for different jobs and some tools are better for some jobs than others. I agree the skill of the operator is the most important but it's not ALL about the operator. Jake
It's both. There is no way Roger Deakin would make an iPhone look like an ARRI.
@@CVPTV That comment isn't worth your time. Just let these dorks simmer. Wasted energy.
This isn’t even a stills camera man, hush up 😂