I grew up with a step dad who I am positive was a psychopath. I am grateful my mom and I lived. I lived in fear for my life every single day. Thank goodness there are women like you who are out here speaking up!
I was the victim of the most charming, princely man who I called my husband for 20 years. He stole, lied and cheated from me and our friend circle for years. He escaped all consequences when he left this country and I was left to answer for his double life. His mid life crisis and criminal spree was fully supported by all his family. My son and I celebrate the fact he was too much of a coward, and spared our lives before leaving. I'm still accused of not being smart enough to overcome daily life with a psychopath. Thank you, Megyn. Family annhiliators want their cake and our blood and resources.
He certainly isn’t a coward for sparing your lives. You need to not let him have any more space in your head or your child’s. Less would be better because it sounds like he offered nothing good anyway. Pray for your enemies. There are genetic and other reasons men and women kill. We need to keep learning causes and prevention. If someone stays with an abuser they need help from a skilled professional to get out, away and stay that way.🤔don’t let loneliness or codependency or any reason keep you in danger. We need to keep providing safe havens for those who need it and professionals need to recognize abuse and help them get away. Shelters, for example, should be less stigmatized and give relief to get strong and counselors need to evaluate families to see how to best proceed.
Praise The Lord, that you were able to escape this controlling,liar, and thief.. if you are still feeling the effect of this in your life,please reach out to those who will listen… pray and seek Gods wisdom first in all of this . And reach out to a professional in this area. And make sure your Son get the help I’m sure he needs as well. Children are resilient most of the time they give us the courage to move forward and we don’t relive how much we put on them,or that they take on. Blessings to you and your son
This is definitely, one of the best show I have seen on RUclips. No one was talking over each other. Very informative. Brilliant interview. I will be watching this again. This a 10/10.
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
Absolutely. Megyn is so good at having these and many other types of discussions. She is always clear and concise, and provides her own fascinating knowledge and experience without ever talking over her guests. I think she's one of the best out there in terms of balance and being so articulate without over-dominating the conversation, so it's always refreshing to watch/listen.
Laura Richards is a deeply studied & amazingly intuitive person who has deep insights into the pathology, psychopathy & psychology of the people she has researched. What a chilling & amazing interview. She revealed things about the Murdaugh case that I never heard addressed by anyone!
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
@@Narnus96 Reading comments like yours frosts me. Laura Richards is a relentlessly self-promoting fraud, who has been almost completely discredited in her native United Kingdom. Considering this thing called the internet, it shouldn't be that easy for her to escape her fraudulent history across the pond by coming to the US and lying to a whole new group of people. It would be like George Santos getting elected to the UK Parliament.
So true. She is a truly lucid analyst. It's clear why CBS took her as one of their key experts when they re-examined the case of JonBenet Ramsey's killing in their 2016 special. I side without hesitation with her reading of the case.
She's full of crap. Men behave like psychopaths because of the er ah, the patriarchy. Yeah, that's it, the patriarchy. Immediate disqualifies herself as a serious student of anything when she leads off with a line of BS like that.
The family annihilator or familicide phenomenon is wild! I know, I'm a survivor of an almost family annihilator. My dad Charles L Fight snapped back in late March of 2000 in southern Indiana, the day he was served divorce papers and went on a rampage shootout with the police for 8 hours, using multiple sawed off shotguns, but thankfully, my mom knew my dad had anger issues and we would be in danger if we were home the day my dad was served, so she took us 4 kids, (we were 10,11me,12 and 14 at the time) a state away to our grandparents, 2 days before my dad was served and ahe prevented my dad from harming us or our mom. Men will hurt the children to deeply hurt the mom. My dad could have easily taken his anger out on us kids or our mom that day but thankfully, my mom paid attention to his behavior the weeks prior and we were taken far away days prior because of my dads begavior. He was going to my moms work with a loaded shotgun. It was crazy. SWAT was on their way from Indianapolis about an hour before he surrenderd. And thankfully, no one was killed or severely hurt that day but one cop trying to play "hero" went in the danger zone, knowing he shouldn't go in the danger zone, and was hit by 11 ricochet bbs on his lowor legs. But my dad snapping wasn't a criminal matter it was a mental illness matter. He just snapped cause he thought he was loosing everything. I've learned in my 34 years on the planet, that angry men, who think they're about to lose it all, due to a divorce or whatever, are VERY DANGEROUS MEN! This is the first year I've publically spoke about my childhood story. My mom refused all media interviews nc she thought they would only want to interview us kids and she didnt want us to relive it but there is aerial footage of my dads stand off in southern Indiana media and northern Kentucky medua, I know kentucky channel 3 was there. We had 4 media helicopter flying around that morning my dad snapped. His appeals are on Google too.
Thank God you all survived. You are absolutely right, a man who thinks he’s losing control of everything and everybody is a very dangerous man. Just look at Alex Murdaugh. Also, a basically angry man, who thinks his power has been usurped is incredibly dangerous. I hope you do talk about your experience. It highlights the importance of make physical and emotional safety plans for women exiting the relationship.
I'm glad your mom knew what to do, but don't lay this soley at the feet of men. Women are far more often the murderer of their children, and they'll do it in a heartbeat to hurt the father. PEOPLE sometimes do horrible things. Neither male nor female is any more virtuous then the other, we females just tend to do our filth in more quiet, subtle ways, ending in the same result.
When I left my husband in the late 1990s - a well meaning friend- asked if he had ever hit me- no was the answer. What he did was lie a lot, emotional, and verbal abuse. We were married for 3.5 years. The after math took a toll on my current family and husband. If I could do anything different- it would be to have received good therapy after the divorce, so I wouldn’t carry the scars from one relationship into another.
I went thru a similar situation. My husband never raised a hand to me, but he started lying from the start. So many lies and it took a long time for me to realize it. Marriage lasted 6.5 years. It DEVASTED ME. IT TOOK ME ANOTHER 6 years to recover, but it ruined my life. I had been sober for over 25 years, but relapsed after this. That relapse lasted 10 years. It also destroyed my health. When I met him, I was 45, clean and sober , and financially fine. 8 years later I was a mess. I had excused his behavior the entire relationship. I couldn’t bear to accept what I knew was the truth. Anyway, I have recovered. ❤️
I often have thought, if only he’d hit me, I’d have known. So I stayed for over 20 years. A roller coaster ride from Hell. I took a year to focus on learning and healing. Now in very happy late life marriage and enjoying it all immensely. It is possible to come out of this whole if scarred. You have to take a cold hard look at your interpersonal dynamics with m men. Then forgive (Yourself)… and be open to a type of man whom you may have disregarded in the past.
This is good to know. I had to file Protection order against my husband, who I feel is a narcissist psychopath, last September because he went batshit crazy on us. Thankfully no one was hurt, but I’m keeping myself and my children safe and away from this lunatic.
I'm glad, you shared! I've been by myself for 20 years & 13 of those years in a hospital bed from a narcissist psychopath who wore a badge. And to this day, he walks free. That's the justice here on earth. But he will be judged by the Almighty!
This was such a good interview---informative without being exploitative. It felt like a public service; sensitive subject matter that was well handled. Thank you.
This was a lesson from which we can all take something away. Laura Richards was brilliant in terms of introducing and explaining without over intellectualising. And Megyn let her speak without interruption. This would make an informative and insightful video for everyone involved in relationships, in the police and social work community and beyond. The fact that Ms. Richards is doing masterclasses, has a book and is reaching out and making herself accessible is wonderful. Bravo to both of you.
Unfortunately a lot of these men are charming, successful, caring and protective of their families, and their true character can emerge years later when its too late, Chris Watts for instance gave absolutely no indication he was a killer till he did.
There are more pieces to this. A veteran of a 27 year marriage… I was love bombed from the beginning and then we had a bipolar/manipulative/sociopathic child. He was very supportive, but did not want another child. There was a history of extreme bipolar on his maternal side of the family. My husband never displayed any of these traits and was successful in his career with a masters degree. Six years later I was pregnant again and he was not happy. He would not touch my belly and was very disappointed that he ‘didn’t get to see a real birth’ when I had another Caesarian. Fast forward 12 years, I found a used condom in his car, tho I’d had a tubal. All trust was gone. Forward another 8 years and I threw him out after finding repeated porn on a basement computer, which he had always blamed on our son. He was also getting laid or having an affair, and was treating me like shit. He hated that he had always encouraged me to do something ‘worthwhile’ and when I did, he was very resentful and angry that I had a very satisfying and challenging career. All this said, I feared for my life while pregnant with my second child. When I threw him out 19 years later, I also feared he would try to kill me, even in a passive way, like poisoning. And perhaps kill anyone in his way, even out daughter. He was not predictable. I grew up with guns and hunting, but he was always gun shy, having grown up in NYC. I bought guns and made sure they were displayed ( magazines and shells removed) whenever he decided to ‘visit’ our family home. I had to intimidate him. And I did. And I fought like a tiger through my attorney. I had to make him afraid of me. And I did. My ex husband was dangerous. On a good note, I have a 26 acre horse farm 30 miles north of him. I no longer fear him after 13 years, but still keep a loaded Glock in my night stand. He fears me more than I fear him. And it will stay that way.
How would a parent even attempt to right that ship? It’s literally impossible. What a horrible situation to know your kid is capable of unspeakable things with no guilt whatsoever.
Kids don’t even have the ability to empathize till about age 7. Not like adults anyhow. Teens are in a narcissist stage for MANY years. This is why psychologists won’t diagnose personality disorders till adulthood- because 98% of teens are going through a narcissist stage. So seeing the signs as a kid and teen is very tricky. Granted some signs are obvious but many troubled kids and teens blend in with normal kids.
@@BB-ed4om it’s possible. Just because someone is a psychopath, doesn’t mean they go around hurting others for enjoyment. Many turn into strong CEO’s. Some don’t- but also aren’t impulsive enough to follow through on their ideas. They still know the diff between right and wrong. Like, most men fantasize about cheating on their wives because their hormones lead them to think about such things, but that doesn’t mean they all do that.
Hearing all this makes me incredibly grateful for my kind, loving, & giving husband in a normal relationship! I feel respected, cared for, & secure. I’m sorry for women out there who are in controlling & abusive relationships.💔
I was stopped for several years. It is very scary to deal with. I still have problems because of it. So thank you for trying to help change things for us all.
The Chris Watts story is so disturbing that I can not stop crying when I think at those two girls. My kids are pretty much the same age, can not even listen to this. Psychopathic traits are out there, and spreading knowledge about them can be crucial (especially because they can be associated with high attractiveness traits). I hope we as women can become better at detecting early signs and to protect ourselves and our children.
Here in Utah we had a tragic incident where a man shot his entire family, 5 children, wife and mother in law. Then took his own life. He left a suicide note blaming his wife who had filed for divorce 2 weeks before. He was definitely a controller, wanting his life to look perfect from the outside, when it was sliding out of control. He was an insurance agent for Allstate they had recently fired him. This happened January 4. 2023. So very very tragic!! Thank you so much for this interview!! I always enjoy what you do!! ❤
OMG! This is so what happened to me and my 3 children, except we're not dead. The only reason he didn't kill us is because he was in line to inherit multi-millions from his mommy. Fast forward, I'm 65 now. He has the money, and the 3 kids have run to him with open hearts $$$ of forgiveness. They ask me why I couldn't keep my mouth shut so he wouldn't hit me. One just told me that I am drama and blow everything out of proportion. He even denies most of the 100+ times he abused me and the kids over an 11 year marriage (1970's-1990's). The police behavior was exactly as your guest describes and it hasn't changed much here in Colorado. And it runs straight up the pole of justice. He and his attorney lied to me about a court date and when I showed up on the day, the case had been heard the day before and I lost custody of the kids. Can you imagine? And yes, he went on to beat the children and they suffered greatly as I screamed to everyone who would listen in an attempt to keep them safe. Even if you are lucky enough to survive with your life, the psychopath will continue to control and torture whenever he finds a chance, especially if their behavior has gone unchecked. It's encouraging to hear that there is understanding now and hopefully by bringing this issue into truth, we can save our sisters of the future. But what do you do if it continues into your senior years? How do you stop these evil men from being evil?
Thank you for putting the time into conducting such a thorough and comprehensive interview with Laura Richards. She was, as you point out, spot on in every way. If only we had had access to this kind of informative discussion when I was a younger woman. Now, as the mother of two daughters, I see the upside of social media as being this wonderful resource of educated wisdom when you know where to look for it. That's why I am so grateful to all the team at The Megyn Kelly show for consistently bringing attention to important discussions like this one today. Excellent programme, invaluable expert commentary. 👏
I’m thinking of writing a book on family annihilators. Mine was complete total emotional annihilation. He didn’t need a gun. He murdered my relationships with my children and emotionally murdered them. He was protected by the judicial system and basically got away with murder.
As an older woman who has experienced more than I’ve wanted to, I know how to take care of myself. Here’s what I have learned: 1. Be a bitch and be proud of it. Don’t back down. Don’t give up. 2. Don’t get married and learn to be happy by yourself. 3. Always put yourself first. 4. Say no much more often than you say yes. 5. Don’t turn your back on feminism and take at least one class in women’s studies in advanced education. 6. Take a class in women’s street self-defense and don’t be afraid to practice what you learn. 7. Learn exactly what rape is and if you’re raped, prosecute the man and don’t give up until he’s incarcerated. 8. Stop being a nice sweet little girl and stop people pleasing. 9. Strongly rebel against traditional female roles. 10. Don’t have sexual intercourse unless you’re married. Know that women aren’t biologically capable of having sex without being emotionally involved and there’s nothing wrong with you for being that way. 11. Don’t acknowledge in any way men who put you down or call you names or threaten you. Don’t argue with these assholes. Ignore them and walk away. 12. Don’t be afraid to be smarter than men and to be more successful than they are. You’re not taking jobs away from them. That’s just an excuse that men use for laziness. 13. Expect that most men will interfere with your efforts and that most other women won’t support you either. Be prepared to go it alone. 13. Try to find other women who think like this and seek their support and reciprocate with support for them.
All I can say is Wow! Not all men are psychopaths or have psychopathy either! A woman like you're describing sounds scary, defensive & jaded "Not Confident!" There is nothing wrong with being a Feminine Woman who is attracted to a Manly Man. A feminine woman can be confident too. I'll take a chivalrous man that will protect me from the evil that exists out there everytime. I look for the positive in a man. If he has respect for me & the other woman around him. He inspires me to be happy & confident with my choices wether it be a career or a housewife & stay at home mother. A true friend that I can confide in. Comforts me on my bad days, laughs with me on my good ones. He makes our relationship & each other a priority not putting one or the other 1st. Most importantly: He is madly in Love with me, has Faith in God & always wants to make me happy. Then I know I've met a good man.❤😊
I survived the malignant narcissist/psychopath. Barely. I’m free now. But, everything you’re saying here is so true! The abuse is slow and incidious. Gaslighting is a huge part as well. I was very close to becoming a Dateline ID episode. It was escalating and I got out permanently. Thank God! Education is power on this subject. I’ve studied and educated myself as to what I was dealing with. This abuse is common and not talked about enough. So thank you!!!! 🙏🙏🙏
One of the most knowledgeable, informed and articulate guests I've seen on psychopathy. She has depth and substance to what she's talking about, incredible analytical skills in assessing individuals like Murdoch. Watts and McDonald and verbalizing the coercive control they have been demonstrating that is not readily apparent to most of us. Great analysis of the police officer's interactions with Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie as well as assessment of Laundrie's parents.
Thanks for having this incredible Lady on. Best line of this interview …. “ It can happen to anyone “. Thank you , I was in a coercive/abusive relationship with a man who brain washed me . I felt so stupid afterwards but I subsequently found out I wasn’t his first victim . It’s soo important not to self blame . I was in a very vulnerable place when we met and felt initially like he was my Knight in Shining Armour . Unfortunately it took several punches to my head and an attempted suffocation for me to say no more ! I had post traumatic stress and still to this day have nightmares . I pray for all the women who are not fortunate enough like I was to get away from these psychopaths . Well done to those who work in services helping victims of abuse . My mental health has never fully recovered but I am grateful to all those that helped me on my journey .
Can you imagine those poor men that had to recover the children's bodies.... To have to remove them from gallons of oil! CW is a monster and hurt many many people
The man may never lay a hand on a woman before hand but the beat down happens verbally and emotionally, leaving a woman believing every horrible thing he says to her. They’ll even say that “your family, your friends even think this about you”. I say this because I know someone is going to write the comment…….”why doesn’t she just leave at the first sign of trouble. I know I would.”
What happens when it's the Man who's been isolated and abused? Are they asked why they didn't just leave? Males get abused as well. It's just hardly spoken on, but it needs to be.
Tracy You think theoretically that you would do the only right thing to leave such a partner immediately. I would have said that before my nightmare marriage. Unfortunately, bloodsuckers only show their true lousy character too late. Once you have fallen into the trap and also have 2 small children, then the way out of hell is usually too late. I left my ex with 3 kids, ages 2, 5 and 17, I was 40 then, that was in 1995. This guy still haunts me. In this marriage I got first one of the worst depressions then panic attacks. Unfortunately, I was never able to travel again or many other things. I'm 67 now, feel terrible and blame myself, but of course that doesn't help me. Everyone, whether man or woman, should NEVER make the mistake of NOT IMMEDIATELY listening to the inner voice, our intuition warns us, our body warns us with symptoms - please flee immediately at the latest then. ❤
It’s hard to recognize trouble when it’s wrapped up in bliss. They know how to hook you. And how to backpedal when they’ve gone too far. Love bombing interspersed with subtle digs and outright abusive language and tone of voice. Think of how gamblers get hooked. We need to teach older kids of both sexes how to recognize this dynamic and how to talk to a trusted person about it.
I had a work associate and friend, whose father killed a whole house full of children. Sadly, her take on it was that her mother had provoked him to it. We need to be educated about what’s really going on in situations like this. Thank you for this video.❤
I was very young 15 yrs old I was in love and in the foster home system. I lived in 19 foster homes by the time I was at that tender age. I was sick of being tossed around from one home to the next all temporarily till my mother could settle down and stop drinking only that never happen of course. I mean I had to go to court once every year and my mother would swear to the Judge she had a little place and that she settle down to get her kids back. Well, that was my background of my story, so anyway I wanted out I wanted to be free! So one day I dragged my mother out of the bar and took her to the courthouse to swear me in as my Guardian and handed me over to a man of 23 years old standing next to me so we could get married, and that we did! I jumped from the frying pan right into the fire! He was charming and witty, he made me laugh and we had a lot of good times together, but that all stopped as soon as we got married. He controlled everything in my life, what to wear what to eat what to say and not to say. When the bruising was all over my face I was not allowed to go anywhere or to speak to anyone and that was quite a bit. I stayed silent with my head hung down and hair in my face. I was ashamed of who I'd became. My ex Husband was a Sociopath with every sense of the word. He was a liar an abuser a cheater a rapist and so much more! He accused me of always cheating on him don't see how when I didn't even know to drive even if I had a car. Oh, he kept all of the money "when he would worked. I was allowed to work only part time but never saw the money NEVER! Our Marriage ended when he dropped me back at mothers with just the clothes on my back. Four weeks later I took the Bus back home and when I open the bedroom door there he was having enercourse with another girl! I SNAPPED! If the gun safety latch wasn't on safety I'd be in prison today! Four years with him took a lifetime of trust to rebuild with anyone. I'm now 67 remarried in my mid twenties with 3 beautiful kids. When I watch shows like this makes me think back to those days of pure torture. Thank you in advance for reading my post. If there's anyone out there in trouble and unable to walk away PLEASE make that call and save your life and your kids too if any? God Bless and keep safe. From Phoenix AZ.
Why would u take a bus back to an abuser u were finally away from and why would u get jealous he was having sex with another woman?? Would be happy for any woman to take him if he was beating me???
As a mother of a son who has a beautiful heart and is more likely to be abused by a woman than vice-versa, I hope that you have at least a chapter in your book about men as victims and women as perpetrators. We know it happens. And you really conducted the entire conversation as if it's never the other way around. Obviously it is the vast majority of perpetrators that are male but the fact is there are some male victims of the female in their life.
This is the comment I was looking for! My son is married to a sociopathic narcissist woman. She's very dangerous. She has him believing all kinds of things that have never happened. She could convince him to kill his entire family. I even have a police report about them from abusive and threatening text messages. Messages wishing death on me and others, with fireball emojis and laughing faces. Absolutely disgusting and evil! He is completely estranged from every friend he's ever had and from his entire family. No doubt in my mind that she is plotting and concocting a way to get rid of all of us. She will never be happy until all of us are dead.
I am going through this with my son right now..his "girlfriend" has been abusing him for over 3 years..she has befriended his father..his sisters and other family members from his fathers side. (His father and I have been divorced for years) this girlfriend of my son has had my son arrested numerous times claiming abuse. His first trial he was found not guilty in less then 2 hours! Four months later she had him arrested again..for domestic abuse!! When I bailed him out of jail 2 days later..the moment we got into the car to leave the jail parking lot I noticed bruises on his forarms..he told me what she did to him..he pushed up his sleeves revealing more bruising..I asked him if he showed the cops this when he was arrested he said he did and told them it was her that is abusing him and told them to take pictures..they blatantly ignored him! I told him we are going back into the jail and I'm taking pictures right there in the lobby..I told the dispatcher at the jail lobby to call an officer because she and the officer are going to witness the pictures I took were from the very moment I bailed him out. When we got home I emailed them to the county sheriffs department..he did nothing..I emailed them again and attached the "public defender" and he did nothing also. These pictures of his injuries are significant with markings from the object she struck him with..his case(s) have all been reopened under an appeal right now or I would say what this object she used to beat him with was..its a crazy mess methodically manipulated by her! To top it all off she had been arrested for abusing my son in a different county 2 months after they started dating so the first time he was arrested and found not guilty she had a no contact order with my son being the protected party and a violation to that order one month after her arrest yet the cops ignored that and arrested my son and let her go! She portrays herself as this poor innocent victim playing the system and anyone she can! This "poor innocent girl who claims to be a victim of domestic abuse" is a 5' 8... 230 lb monster and needs to be held accountable for the damage she has and continues to cause..one more thing she had claimed victim of the exact same allegations with her childs father! This needs to be recognized by the legislature and the media..men are abused too and very well could be even more than women are!
It's always refreshing to hear such a calm, balanced, non-sensationalized and nuanced discussion. Megyn is an excellent reporter/interviewer/host/moderator
Anyone can be a victim of coercive control. I was a police officer, married to a police officer. Married quickly, had children and it wasn’t until I was pregnant with my second child that I saw the red flags. I am a strong, confident, intelligent woman. I didn’t see it coming.
I am from South Africa and we have had 2 young men who wiped out their families . Don Steenkamp ( Griekwastad murders on youtube ) was 16 when murdered his parents and 14 year sister. Henri van Breda murdered his brother , mother and father , his sister recovered miraculously from the axe attack. Both are still denying their crimes . Also Trevor Adlington murdered his 3 children and his wife miraculously survived against all odds , the list goes on. We will never know why.... 😢
This video helped made me make the decision I need to act now even though I fear the courts will not help me. This will be the second time I’ve had to do this. I am stronger now, more aware, more educated, and emotionally regulated compared to the 1st attempt. After watching this video I do believe I’ve been naive to think the man who is abusing me and my children using coercive control wont escalate more into physical violence or worse. Thank you for spreading this type of domestic abuse awareness. Let’s get this screening in the U.S. please! My prayers and love go out to all those suffering from any type of abuse. You are not alone 🙏🫶🏻💪
Very impressive guest, Laura Richards. Everyone needs to hear her. You have such a way of bringing forth the best guests and getting to the crux of the issues.
I am a victim of child abuse, domestic violence and sexual abuse. I survived it all and I am the most strongest person that I have ever known. The only way you can stop abuse is with social awareness and school education.
Great interview. Dr Richard’s is such an informative guest on this subject . Domestic violence needs to be highlighted . It is hard to help when the victim becomes isolated from family and friends , my family are trying to cope with this very situation, which ended tragically in murder .
All I can say is thank heavens we have people like Laura on the case working so hard against these psychopaths. Such terrible tales...stuff of nightmares but they aren't. Thank you Megyn as always 💛
As someone who’s been in a domestic violence relationship for over 10 years and I never told my family, friends or coworkers. They ended up finding out about what was going on. I’ll never ever forget that the first time he put his hands on me he threw me up against a wall and choked me I’ll never forget it. He was arrested once for it and of course I went to see him in jail dropped the charges and stayed with him many years later and it got worse and worse too the point we were constantly brawling and we literally moved across the country, he moved and I followed. The relationship ended up coming too a end. My family friends and coworkers did know but I never said anything and another time when my job didn’t hear from me for 3 days the cops came too do a welfare check on me and that turned out too be bad he was pissed. The minute I seen Gabby I knew knew she was abused by that POS. My heart breaks for her family, no family should ever go through this. It’s sad and sad and insane.
I can't not comment! I went to the police after my husband beat my head back and forth (from behind) so hard I fell on the floor, saw stars and thought I was dying. I'm 40% deaf in both ears from that. He fixed and buttoned his suit and left. The woman who witnessed this, didn't want to get involved, the cops (who knew us both) said, really? He's such a nice guy! What did you do to deserve that? Honestly, he THOUGHT I had forgotten to order something for our shop.That's the tip of the iceberg...
I’m so sorry that happened to you. The experience of thinking that you’re safe, then a cop 👮🏻♂️ looks you in your face and says, “But he said he didn’t do it. He seems like a nice guy” That moment is Soul crushing 😢
I’m not blaming Gabby’s parents, but I can’t imagine parents giving their approval to a daughter to be going off wandering around the U. S. In a van with a bust-out guy who is a bum. She might be of age?, but who paid for her van , and who was buying the gas? She was trying to make it with podcasts, but I can’t imagine that she was making enough money to finance everything. He certainly wasn’t paying for anything because he stole her van just to get home. He very most probably used her credit card for food and gas to make it home to add insult to injury!!!Watching the behavior of his parents explains why he turned out the way he did. What a tragedy that could have been prevented at several junctures!!! On top of everything that had transpired, it was incomprehensible to me that the creep came driving up in HER van and refused to report her whereabouts. I guess he tried to keep the van!!?!? or did the police impound it after the fact?!?!?!?
Second comment…..how about a discussion about mothers especially (like Chris Watts mom) that stand by their sons even when they’ve wiped out their grandchildren. That is very shocking to me.
Laura Richards is outstanding! She is very serious but not in the "man hater" style. I'm so glad Megyn had her on, I can't wait to find out more about her.
Megyn, true the best way is- once the man hits you make a plan and leave tell everyone they know friends family that way the man will just walk away. It worked for me he hit me once scared me to death then gave himself permission to do it again I made a plan and left when he was out of town and never ever go back ever. No second chances....
Yes, I have read and listened to psychologist who say, have a plan in place before you go anywhere. Get out ( with children) when he is away from home. That means having a place set up with furniture, clothing, etc beforehand. Try not to leave a trail. The terrible part of this is that a lot of women don’t have resources or people who will help. Sometimes it’s dangerous to go to parent’s house and involve them also. I would have the police involved if possible. This could certainly be a time of grave danger and good luck‼️
I didn't plan to sit here for almost two hours and watch this episode, but I did! Thankfully, I don't have anyone in my life who is a psychopath, but I think it's important to know the signs. SO much great information. Please, please everyone look out for your family and friends who may be victims of this type of behavior, before it's too late. Thank you Megyn for bringing on Laura. Great episode!
What about the female abusers and annihilators? Lori Vallow who murdered her two children. I know you've talked about Amber Heard and the wannabe duchess from Montecito. What about them? Aren't they female abusers? My own grandmother has abused her own husband, daughter, son-in-law, and two granddaughters. She has thrown things, kicked and punched us, called us every name in the book and then some, and generally made living with her an absolute nightmare. To live with this woman, I suspect I subconsciously dampened my own emotions to the point I wonder sometimes if I'm a sociopath. If that isn't abuse, I don't know what is.
This doctor was absolutely fantastic! Her explanations and obviously her work, is spot on. We need more awareness of this. The domestic violence statistics in the US are mind boggling!
Fascinating interview. We should be educating HS students on this topic. It's hard to comprehend why these men just don't leave. Sure, the process of separating is difficult but there is light on the other side and a life. The life long impact to all family members is inescapable.
Not to mention the dumb abuser also wrecks HIS life by hopefully ending up behind bars, because, guess what, they always look to the spouse FIRST……duh.
We are SOOOOO FAR from having any real understanding of abuse. Yes they were totally misogynistic towards Gabby. The hysterical woman is always disregarded. It drives me mad! Poor Gabby. May she fly with the angels!!!
She was kind of manipulative. She got her way with everyone. And you know she pretty much did have to have things her way. But yet she was unable to do a lot of things like drive her own van. She tried to manipulate the policeman into letting him drive her to the hotel. Even though she was traveling all across the country she tried to manipulate the policeman into choosing a hotel that was only a mile or two away so she wouldn't have to drive her own van too far. It takes two to tango. I am always curious as to why she has four supposedly loving step parents yet none of them were aware she chose to live. She saw greener pastures with Brian's parents who helped her get her van life dream on the road
They approached both people according to their own behavior. Cops just react strategically to get the most information they can. They wanted him to say as much as possible so they made him comfortable, and did the same with her. I’ve been around a few combative couples where they need to be separated- none of them ever committed this kind of twisted crime. The cops see this everyday. That’s the problem with psychos. They blend in.
The women in their lives likely saw red flags, but because of those very reason "successful, well liked members of society" they are afraid to speak-up and likely even blame themselves for the husband's mood changes. In the case of a Chris Watts his parents were still putting the blame on Shannan even after he confessed!
I’m not saying shanann deserved to be murdered. But she abused Chris watts. The degrading way she treated him on camera,, can’t imagine how it was off camera. That sht would make anyone snap. She was far from innocent ffs..
@@kclombard7956 I wouldn't equate those two though. Chris' mom disliked Shannan before even meeting her cuz she didn't think any woman was good enough for her son. Shannan had good reason to dislike her MIL. She was disrespected at every turn and the MIL even tried to hurt her granddaughter by having foods she is allergic to sitting out at her house!
Well, yes, he most certainly did, as he was going to have to spend his precious money (and time, he was drugged up and lazy/not productive) providing defence for him for murdering Mallory while intoxicated in the boat wreck!
You leave out her parents and his parents! Where are they in this story? Generational connections are a helpful factor....yet Noone includes them. Makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!°°
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
Excellent interview. It brings up the problems in the Biden family with two children who are drug & sex addicts, also thieves & liars. From whom are these aberrations learned? Parents who allow this behavior then cover for their errant children are responsible in a very dangerous way.
YES I KNOW ALREADY ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, men who murder their families. I have been reading about this in books, articles and other media outlets for decades. Stay safe ladies
Problem is Shirlie, there are women out there that are in denial that thier spouse, gfs / bfs are being abusive. They have excuses for thier bad behavior..they are blind to it. "He loves me", "He's stressed out", "He apologized", He didn't mean it", etc, etc.. I've heard it all from people I know, but my words fall on deaf ears. I shared my personal nightmare story with a covert narcissist after we split up, with my close friends, family and anyone who will listen to me. Covert narcissists are real, they're stealth and purposely set out to destroy those closest to them / in relationships.. They cause more destruction, upheaval and phycological damage to every person they stick their claws into. A couple of my friends told me I should write a book about what I have learned. I was bound and determined to research his behavior, and boy did I uncover everything about him. He followed every covert narcissist trait ever written. Literally, step by step. As all narcs do. It's incredible but that's what they do. It's as though they all follow a playbook on how to abuse.. As I began to realize who he really was, I actually started to feel the effects of his abuse. I was only with him 4 months.. Out of the gate, it was a whirlwind romance, love bombed me, triangulated me, ghosted me, you name it, he did it. I began to ghost him and the frosting on the cake was that narcs dump you when you least expect it..out of no where..during very happy times in your life, or on important or meaningful dates..birth of a baby, a job promotion, anything that means alot to you. They do this so you'll always remember them on that date and so you will feel the pain and hurt that they caused on that date. They also dump you at the saddest time of your life. They do this because they know your vulnerable and how deeply upset about whatever you're going through. My ex narc dumped me after he was supposedly upset because I spent the day at my close friends bedside as she was dying from cancer. I was already done with him by then, but he called me to let me know it was over. He had to be the one to end it and to shove it in my face as my friend was taking her last breath. If that didn't confirm my suspension about how dangerous narcs can be I don't know what is. I already knew how they discard you during happy or difficult times, so I showed him zero emotion when he called me to end it. My uncaring response was, I already knew it was over. Months later he contacts me to feel me out, let me know what he was up to. Asked nothing about me. But updated me as though I gave a sh*t about him. After his failed attempts to suck me back in, I didn't take the bait. I knew he'd come back or contact me after his discarding me. That's a trait covert narcs do..with no intention of getting back with you, they want you to keep thinking of you. Since we first met, his behavior was very strange. He loved bombed me, brought me flowers on our first few dates, brought me jewelry after the first month or so. Told me he loved me. I thought it was very strange because he hardly knew me and I hardly knew him. He knew I was newly divorced and assumed I was vulnerable. He had a rude awakening because that's when I researched his behavior and all that I found was covert narcissism. I dug deep into my research..the more I read up on it, the more I uncovered so I dug deeper and deeper. Sorry for the long story but I wanted to put my experience out there for you and others. We can prevent abuse if we know what the warning signs are. I had no clue what covert narcissism was..but I know now. I was lucky to get away before he sucked me in deep. I didn't mention but he had a short fuse, and was occasionally agitated. Rageful twice. He kept that part under wraps but I did see what would become more frequent amd probably escalate if we stayed together. They can bring drama to the table as well. If drama wasn't around, he'd create it. No joke. It was borderline extreme at times. Which is draining. I can spot one a mile away. Or if someone told characteristic traits and behavior of their partners, I can honestly say they are or aren't one. It's very strange the reaction of some that I have told about my ex narc. They don't believe me or they think I'm exaggerating. It's frustrating trying to convince others that these creatures ( covert narcs) actually exist. A telling sign that so many are unaware of narcissism, (all kinds), phycopathy, sociopathy, etc It's scary the amount of people that have no idea they're being abused or those who aren't and had no idea the abusers are out there and how very real they are. Educate ourselves is what we all should do. It's crucial. I can't stress that enough. It can literally be a matter of life or death.
@@Lisa-hc3uq I wanted to respond to Shirley also, but I found your comments so you basically stated everything I felt when I read Shirley’s comment. First she says she has been reading about DV for decades. It’s more than reading about the subject. Maybe the women who experience the violence in their own life see it soo much differently!
When you describe the gaslighting, love bombing and whirlwind relationship then total control of the victim. Reminds me a lot of harry and Meghan 😮 harry kept saying Meghan is the saviour, the only good thing in his life and how she isolate him and with drxg… quite worrying
This is so educational. Can you also do a similar show about female psychopaths? It would be very useful to understand any contrasts and similarities between the male psychopaths. Men get into those relationships and suffer much mental abuse, and sometimes even are murdered by the female.
My littles are 6 and 2 and this episode hit hard. It was a well done episode by Megyn Kelly but still it left a hollow pit in my stomach to think about those poor babies. I had no idea that the 5yo had asked her father if he was going to do to her what he did to her sister. That breaks my heart.
Wow, this made me see the Murdaugh and Chris Watts cases in a completely different light. Never occured to me the control angle for either, with controlling the whole county as literally the law and Paul's behavior, nor the Watts initial illness dependency. What a meticulous sharp eye to see that. Fantastic show!
My mom noticed (way back in the 70's) that it often seems like men who kill their wives often do it when she's pregnant. I thought, wow mom, you're pretty cynical! But she was right to see that it's the extra pressure of a baby that can be the final straw in the man not having control over his wife.
Megyn you are an excellent interviewer -- allowing your guests ample time to talk is just one of the reasons why.
I noticed how great she was !
And she's hot.
Thank you for this news report.😢😢😢
I agree.
@@kawboy14 NOT AS HAS HOT AS ARE PLANET, YOUR BRAINS IS IN YOUR BALLS.
I grew up with a step dad who I am positive was a psychopath. I am grateful my mom and I lived. I lived in fear for my life every single day. Thank goodness there are women like you who are out here speaking up!
Thank God that you survived! I'm so thankful to the Lord you made it out alive!
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God Bless you.. you and your Mom sound like very strong women… and Thank God,because I know the God was watching over you both
@@veronicaorourke6091 thank you I know we were protected❤️🙏
All of your responses are so loving! Thank you! There are so many children who are defenseless in these scenarios. It breaks my heart. 💔
I was the victim of the most charming, princely man who I called my husband for 20 years. He stole, lied and cheated from me and our friend circle for years. He escaped all consequences when he left this country and I was left to answer for his double life. His mid life crisis and criminal spree was fully supported by all his family. My son and I celebrate the fact he was too much of a coward, and spared our lives before leaving. I'm still accused of not being smart enough to overcome daily life with a psychopath. Thank you, Megyn. Family annhiliators want their cake and our blood and resources.
Master deceivers - it’s scary how they can fool so many for years
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Willingly believe a lie
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He certainly isn’t a coward for sparing your lives. You need to not let him have any more space in your head or your child’s. Less would be better because it sounds like he offered nothing good anyway. Pray for your enemies. There are genetic and other reasons men and women kill. We need to keep learning causes and prevention. If someone stays with an abuser they need help from a skilled professional to get out, away and stay that way.🤔don’t let loneliness or codependency or any reason keep you in danger. We need to keep providing safe havens for those who need it and professionals need to recognize abuse and help them get away. Shelters, for example, should be less stigmatized and give relief to get strong and counselors need to evaluate families to see how to best proceed.
Praise The Lord, that you were able to escape this controlling,liar, and thief.. if you are still feeling the effect of this in your life,please reach out to those who will listen… pray and seek Gods wisdom first in all of this . And reach out to a professional in this area. And make sure your Son get the help I’m sure he needs as well. Children are resilient most of the time they give us the courage to move forward and we don’t relive how much we put on them,or that they take on. Blessings to you and your son
This is definitely, one of the best show I have seen on RUclips. No one was talking over each other. Very informative. Brilliant interview. I will be watching this again. This a 10/10.
I agree!!! I think every woman regardless of age, needs to hear it!!!
Agreed!
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
I move on as soon as people start talking over each other on tv programs or you tube. This is why I love this channel.
Absolutely. Megyn is so good at having these and many other types of discussions. She is always clear and concise, and provides her own fascinating knowledge and experience without ever talking over her guests. I think she's one of the best out there in terms of balance and being so articulate without over-dominating the conversation, so it's always refreshing to watch/listen.
Laura Richards is a deeply studied & amazingly intuitive person who has deep insights into the pathology, psychopathy & psychology of the people she has researched. What a chilling & amazing interview. She revealed things about the Murdaugh case that I never heard addressed by anyone!
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
I so agree ❤ She seems so empathetic. It’s comforting to know that this is being talked about by people who know what they’re on about. Xxx
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Reading comments like yours frosts me. Laura Richards is a relentlessly self-promoting fraud, who has been almost completely discredited in her native United Kingdom. Considering this thing called the internet, it shouldn't be that easy for her to escape her fraudulent history across the pond by coming to the US and lying to a whole new group of people. It would be like George Santos getting elected to the UK Parliament.
So true. She is a truly lucid analyst. It's clear why CBS took her as one of their key experts when they re-examined the case of JonBenet Ramsey's killing in their 2016 special. I side without hesitation with her reading of the case.
She's full of crap. Men behave like psychopaths because of the er ah, the patriarchy. Yeah, that's it, the patriarchy. Immediate disqualifies herself as a serious student of anything when she leads off with a line of BS like that.
The family annihilator or familicide phenomenon is wild!
I know, I'm a survivor of an almost family annihilator.
My dad Charles L Fight snapped back in late March of 2000 in southern Indiana, the day he was served divorce papers and went on a rampage shootout with the police for 8 hours, using multiple sawed off shotguns, but thankfully, my mom knew my dad had anger issues and we would be in danger if we were home the day my dad was served, so she took us 4 kids, (we were 10,11me,12 and 14 at the time) a state away to our grandparents, 2 days before my dad was served and ahe prevented my dad from harming us or our mom. Men will hurt the children to deeply hurt the mom.
My dad could have easily taken his anger out on us kids or our mom that day but thankfully, my mom paid attention to his behavior the weeks prior and we were taken far away days prior because of my dads begavior. He was going to my moms work with a loaded shotgun. It was crazy.
SWAT was on their way from Indianapolis about an hour before he surrenderd.
And thankfully, no one was killed or severely hurt that day but one cop trying to play "hero" went in the danger zone, knowing he shouldn't go in the danger zone, and was hit by 11 ricochet bbs on his lowor legs.
But my dad snapping wasn't a criminal matter it was a mental illness matter.
He just snapped cause he thought he was loosing everything.
I've learned in my 34 years on the planet, that angry men, who think they're about to lose it all, due to a divorce or whatever, are VERY DANGEROUS MEN!
This is the first year I've publically spoke about my childhood story.
My mom refused all media interviews nc she thought they would only want to interview us kids and she didnt want us to relive it but there is aerial footage of my dads stand off in southern Indiana media and northern Kentucky medua, I know kentucky channel 3 was there.
We had 4 media helicopter flying around that morning my dad snapped. His appeals are on Google too.
Thank God you all survived. You are absolutely right, a man who thinks he’s losing control of everything and everybody is a very dangerous man. Just look at Alex Murdaugh. Also, a basically angry man, who thinks his power has been usurped is incredibly dangerous.
I hope you do talk about your experience. It highlights the importance of make physical and emotional safety plans for women exiting the relationship.
I'm glad your mom knew what to do, but don't lay this soley at the feet of men.
Women are far more often the murderer of their children, and they'll do it in a heartbeat to hurt the father.
PEOPLE sometimes do horrible things. Neither male nor female is any more virtuous then the other, we females just tend to do our filth in more quiet, subtle ways, ending in the same result.
When I left my husband in the late 1990s - a well meaning friend- asked if he had ever hit me- no was the answer.
What he did was lie a lot, emotional, and verbal abuse. We were married for 3.5 years.
The after math took a toll on my current family and husband.
If I could do anything different- it would be to have received good therapy after the divorce, so I wouldn’t carry the scars from one relationship into another.
I went thru a similar situation. My husband never raised a hand to me, but he started lying from the start. So many lies and it took a long time for me to realize it. Marriage lasted 6.5 years. It DEVASTED ME. IT TOOK ME ANOTHER 6 years to recover, but it ruined my life. I had been sober for over 25 years, but relapsed after this. That relapse lasted 10 years. It also destroyed my health. When I met him, I was 45, clean and sober , and financially fine. 8 years later I was a mess. I had excused his behavior the entire relationship. I couldn’t bear to accept what I knew was the truth. Anyway, I have recovered. ❤️
@@marieharris1230 keep moving forward. The troubles that we have are but a season. Some seasons are liked better than others! Lessons always learning.
I often have thought, if only he’d hit me, I’d have known. So I stayed for over 20 years. A roller coaster ride from Hell. I took a year to focus on learning and healing. Now in very happy late life marriage and enjoying it all immensely. It is possible to come out of this whole if scarred. You have to take a cold hard look at your interpersonal dynamics with m men. Then forgive (Yourself)… and be open to a type of man whom you may have disregarded in the past.
"verbal abuse"
Mine was an emotional annihilator as well.
This is good to know. I had to file Protection order against my husband, who I feel is a narcissist psychopath, last September because he went batshit crazy on us. Thankfully no one was hurt, but I’m keeping myself and my children safe and away from this lunatic.
I'm SO sorry. Don't let your guard down. After hearing everything that could happen... :(
I wish you the very best.
I'm glad, you shared! I've been by myself for 20 years & 13 of those years in a hospital bed from a narcissist psychopath who wore a badge. And to this day, he walks free. That's the justice here on earth. But he will be judged by the Almighty!
Good on you Carolyn; you and your children will be in my prayers.
Good for you....stay Strong!!
This was such a good interview---informative without being exploitative. It felt like a public service; sensitive subject matter that was well handled. Thank you.
One of the best podcast I have heard on this subject, well done ladies.
Make a careful plan. Sneak away. Get resources. Talk to someone safe
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From watching police/criminal shows, stalking is the worse crime today! Women are killed before law enforcement will do anything!
This was a lesson from which we can all take something away. Laura Richards was brilliant in terms of introducing and explaining without over intellectualising. And Megyn let her speak without interruption. This would make an informative and insightful video for everyone involved in relationships, in the police and social work community and beyond. The fact that Ms. Richards is doing masterclasses, has a book and is reaching out and making herself accessible is wonderful. Bravo to both of you.
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Healthy relationships should be taught in school and all police officers should have this Dr.’s training.
Unfortunately a lot of these men are charming, successful, caring and protective of their families, and their true character can emerge years later when its too late, Chris Watts for instance gave absolutely no indication he was a killer till he did.
Men sure make women stupid.
@@charlottebruce979 I'm sure his perverted sex life is a sign. His wife knew. It should be a fact. Beware of men who act cute.
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And Scott Peterson.
There are more pieces to this. A veteran of a 27 year marriage… I was love bombed from the beginning and then we had a bipolar/manipulative/sociopathic child. He was very supportive, but did not want another child. There was a history of extreme bipolar on his maternal side of the family. My husband never displayed any of these traits and was successful in his career with a masters degree.
Six years later I was pregnant again and he was not happy. He would not touch my belly and was very disappointed that he ‘didn’t get to see a real birth’ when I had another Caesarian.
Fast forward 12 years, I found a used condom in his car, tho I’d had a tubal. All trust was gone.
Forward another 8 years and I threw him out after finding repeated porn on a basement computer, which he had always blamed on our son. He was also getting laid or having an affair, and was treating me like shit.
He hated that he had always encouraged me to do something ‘worthwhile’ and when I did, he was very resentful and angry that I had a very satisfying and challenging career.
All this said, I feared for my life while pregnant with my second child.
When I threw him out 19 years later, I also feared he would try to kill me, even in a passive way, like poisoning. And perhaps kill anyone in his way, even out daughter. He was not predictable.
I grew up with guns and hunting, but he was always gun shy, having grown up in NYC.
I bought guns and made sure they were displayed ( magazines and shells removed) whenever he decided to ‘visit’ our family home.
I had to intimidate him.
And I did. And I fought like a tiger through my attorney. I had to make him afraid of me. And I did. My ex husband was dangerous.
On a good note, I have a 26 acre horse farm 30 miles north of him. I no longer fear him after 13 years, but still keep a loaded Glock in my night stand.
He fears me more than I fear him. And it will stay that way.
Empathy is the big one. Megyn, if your kid has no empathy, be very worried.
Agree with you 💯 percent!
How would a parent even attempt to right that ship? It’s literally impossible. What a horrible situation to know your kid is capable of unspeakable things with no guilt whatsoever.
Kids don’t even have the ability to empathize till about age 7. Not like adults anyhow. Teens are in a narcissist stage for MANY years. This is why psychologists won’t diagnose personality disorders till adulthood- because 98% of teens are going through a narcissist stage. So seeing the signs as a kid and teen is very tricky. Granted some signs are obvious but many troubled kids and teens blend in with normal kids.
@@BB-ed4om it’s possible. Just because someone is a psychopath, doesn’t mean they go around hurting others for enjoyment. Many turn into strong CEO’s. Some don’t- but also aren’t impulsive enough to follow through on their ideas. They still know the diff between right and wrong. Like, most men fantasize about cheating on their wives because their hormones lead them to think about such things, but that doesn’t mean they all do that.
Narcissists are created by parents who spoil them and they become entitled.
Hearing all this makes me incredibly grateful for my kind, loving, & giving husband in a normal relationship! I feel respected, cared for, & secure. I’m sorry for women out there who are in controlling & abusive relationships.💔
Me too! ❤
It's wonderful you have that! Bless you and yours.
So nice to hear! ♥️♥️
I was stopped for several years. It is very scary to deal with. I still have problems because of it. So thank you for trying to help change things for us all.
Fascinating conversation! It should be shared in our schools! Great episode, thank you!
The Chris Watts story is so disturbing that I can not stop crying when I think at those two girls. My kids are pretty much the same age, can not even listen to this. Psychopathic traits are out there, and spreading knowledge about them can be crucial (especially because they can be associated with high attractiveness traits). I hope we as women can become better at detecting early signs and to protect ourselves and our children.
I can’t even watch it when it is on Oxygen or ID!
Exactly!! If something is happening in public, I know too well what can go on behind closed doors.
Wonderful Job Megyn !! - I love watching your show on You Tube - Your shows are always very intriguing - Thank
You Fred
Here in Utah we had a tragic incident where a man shot his entire family, 5 children, wife and mother in law. Then took his own life. He left a suicide note blaming his wife who had filed for divorce 2 weeks before. He was definitely a controller, wanting his life to look perfect from the outside, when it was sliding out of control. He was an insurance agent for Allstate they had recently fired him. This happened January 4. 2023. So very very tragic!!
Thank you so much for this interview!! I always enjoy what you do!! ❤
We girls and women need to hear and study this!!! Thank you Megyn you have the BEST GUESTS!!!
Brilliant! Thank you for bringing attention to this problem overall in society.
I LOVE Laura! I hope she comes back on!
OMG! This is so what happened to me and my 3 children, except we're not dead. The only reason he didn't kill us is because he was in line to inherit multi-millions from his mommy. Fast forward, I'm 65 now. He has the money, and the 3 kids have run to him with open hearts $$$ of forgiveness. They ask me why I couldn't keep my mouth shut so he wouldn't hit me. One just told me that I am drama and blow everything out of proportion. He even denies most of the 100+ times he abused me and the kids over an 11 year marriage (1970's-1990's). The police behavior was exactly as your guest describes and it hasn't changed much here in Colorado. And it runs straight up the pole of justice. He and his attorney lied to me about a court date and when I showed up on the day, the case had been heard the day before and I lost custody of the kids. Can you imagine? And yes, he went on to beat the children and they suffered greatly as I screamed to everyone who would listen in an attempt to keep them safe. Even if you are lucky enough to survive with your life, the psychopath will continue to control and torture whenever he finds a chance, especially if their behavior has gone unchecked. It's encouraging to hear that there is understanding now and hopefully by bringing this issue into truth, we can save our sisters of the future. But what do you do if it continues into your senior years? How do you stop these evil men from being evil?
Megyn I simply adore you and everything you stand for.
Thank you for putting the time into conducting such a thorough and comprehensive interview with Laura Richards. She was, as you point out, spot on in every way. If only we had had access to this kind of informative discussion when I was a younger woman.
Now, as the mother of two daughters, I see the upside of social media as being this wonderful resource of educated wisdom when you know where to look for it. That's why I am so grateful to all the team at The Megyn Kelly show for consistently bringing attention to important discussions like this one today.
Excellent programme, invaluable expert commentary. 👏
I’m thinking of writing a book on family annihilators. Mine was complete total emotional annihilation. He didn’t need a gun. He murdered my relationships with my children and emotionally murdered them. He was protected by the judicial system and basically got away with murder.
Same thing happened to me.
I’m so sorry you were subjected to that abuse. I’m glad you here and i hope you can find peace and beauty in your life.
I encourage you to write the book, we all need to be out spoken about this. I can’t believe there’s no red flags or warning about these annihilators.
I was stalked for over a year sent him to jail twice and I still suffer severe PTSD. I’m also a survivor of domestic abuse. Great interview
As an older woman who has experienced more than I’ve wanted to, I know how to take care of myself. Here’s what I have learned:
1. Be a bitch and be proud of it. Don’t back down. Don’t give up.
2. Don’t get married and learn to be happy by yourself.
3. Always put yourself first.
4. Say no much more often than you say yes.
5. Don’t turn your back on feminism and take at least one class in women’s studies in advanced education.
6. Take a class in women’s street self-defense and don’t be afraid to practice what you learn.
7. Learn exactly what rape is and if you’re raped, prosecute the man and don’t give up until he’s incarcerated.
8. Stop being a nice sweet little girl and stop people pleasing.
9. Strongly rebel against traditional female roles.
10. Don’t have sexual intercourse unless you’re married. Know that women aren’t biologically capable of having sex without being emotionally involved and there’s nothing wrong with you for being that way.
11. Don’t acknowledge in any way men who put you down or call you names or threaten you. Don’t argue with these assholes. Ignore them and walk away.
12. Don’t be afraid to be smarter than men and to be more successful than they are. You’re not taking jobs away from them. That’s just an excuse that men use for laziness.
13. Expect that most men will interfere with your efforts and that most other women won’t support you either. Be prepared to go it alone.
13. Try to find other women who think like this and seek their support and reciprocate with support for them.
All I can say is Wow! Not all men are psychopaths or have psychopathy either! A woman like you're describing sounds scary, defensive & jaded "Not Confident!" There is nothing wrong with being a Feminine Woman who is attracted to a Manly Man. A feminine woman can be confident too. I'll take a chivalrous man that will protect me from the evil that exists out there everytime. I look for the positive in a man. If he has respect for me & the other woman around him. He inspires me to be happy & confident with my choices wether it be a career or a housewife & stay at home mother. A true friend that I can confide in. Comforts me on my bad days, laughs with me on my good ones. He makes our relationship & each other a priority not putting one or the other 1st. Most importantly: He is madly in Love with me, has Faith in God & always wants to make me happy. Then I know I've met a good man.❤😊
2 and 10 don't go together.
I survived the malignant narcissist/psychopath. Barely. I’m free now. But, everything you’re saying here is so true! The abuse is slow and incidious. Gaslighting is a huge part as well. I was very close to becoming a Dateline ID episode. It was escalating and I got out permanently. Thank God! Education is power on this subject. I’ve studied and educated myself as to what I was dealing with. This abuse is common and not talked about enough. So thank you!!!! 🙏🙏🙏
Excellent topic MK. Lots of takeaways but key is informing our daughters (and sons) about healthy relationships. Abuse starts slowly. So insidious 🔥🔥
One of the most knowledgeable, informed and articulate guests I've seen on psychopathy. She has depth and substance to what she's talking about, incredible analytical skills in assessing individuals like Murdoch. Watts and McDonald and verbalizing the coercive control they have been demonstrating that is not readily apparent to most of us. Great analysis of the police officer's interactions with Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie as well as assessment of Laundrie's parents.
Big fan of the Crime Analyst ❤
I imagine our society would benefit greatly with more Communication and teachings regarding feelings, emotions and Love 💖
Loved this guest. I could listen to her all day.
Thanks for having this incredible Lady on. Best line of this interview …. “ It can happen to anyone “.
Thank you , I was in a coercive/abusive relationship with a man who brain washed me . I felt so stupid afterwards but I subsequently found out I wasn’t his first victim . It’s soo important not to self blame . I was in a very vulnerable place when we met and felt initially like he was my Knight in Shining Armour . Unfortunately it took several punches to my head and an attempted suffocation for me to say no more ! I had post traumatic stress and still to this day have nightmares . I pray for all the women who are not fortunate enough like I was to get away from these psychopaths . Well done to those who work in services helping victims of abuse . My mental health has never fully recovered but I am grateful to all those that helped me on my journey .
Can you imagine those poor men that had to recover the children's bodies.... To have to remove them from gallons of oil! CW is a monster and hurt many many people
Learned a lot from these advices. Thank you for talking about the important things in our society.
The man may never lay a hand on a woman before hand but the beat down happens verbally and emotionally, leaving a woman believing every horrible thing he says to her. They’ll even say that “your family, your friends even think this about you”. I say this because I know someone is going to write the comment…….”why doesn’t she just leave at the first sign of trouble. I know I would.”
What happens when it's the Man who's been isolated and abused? Are they asked why they didn't just leave? Males get abused as well. It's just hardly spoken on, but it needs to be.
@@joshuaearp9494 Chris watts was DEFINITELY manipulated and abused by shannon.
Tracy
You think theoretically that you would do the only right thing to leave such a partner immediately.
I would have said that before my nightmare marriage. Unfortunately, bloodsuckers only show their true lousy character too late.
Once you have fallen into the trap and also have 2 small children, then the way out of hell is usually too late.
I left my ex with 3 kids, ages 2, 5 and 17, I was 40 then, that was in 1995. This guy still haunts me. In this marriage I got first one of the worst depressions then panic attacks.
Unfortunately, I was never able to travel again or many other things.
I'm 67 now, feel terrible and blame myself, but of course that doesn't help me.
Everyone, whether man or woman, should NEVER make the mistake of NOT IMMEDIATELY listening to the inner voice, our intuition warns us, our body warns us with symptoms - please flee immediately at the latest then. ❤
It’s hard to recognize trouble when it’s wrapped up in bliss. They know how to hook you. And how to backpedal when they’ve gone too far. Love bombing interspersed with subtle digs and outright abusive language and tone of voice. Think of how gamblers get hooked. We need to teach older kids of both sexes how to recognize this dynamic and how to talk to a trusted person about it.
@@joshuaearp9494 Richard Grannon
I had a work associate and friend, whose father killed a whole house full of children. Sadly, her take on it was that her mother had provoked him to it. We need to be educated about what’s really going on in situations like this. Thank you for this video.❤
Wow she must see herself as EXTREMELY powerful.
@@carriegreene4261 you’re absolutely right❤️
I was very young 15 yrs old I was in love and in the foster home system. I lived in 19 foster homes by the time I was at that tender age. I was sick of being tossed around from one home to the next all temporarily till my mother could settle down and stop drinking only that never happen of course. I mean I had to go to court once every year and my mother would swear to the Judge she had a little place and that she settle down to get her kids back. Well, that was my background of my story, so anyway I wanted out I wanted to be free! So one day I dragged my mother out of the bar and took her to the courthouse to swear me in as my Guardian and handed me over to a man of 23 years old standing next to me so we could get married, and that we did! I jumped from the frying pan right into the fire!
He was charming and witty, he made me laugh and we had a lot of good times together, but that all stopped as soon as we got married. He controlled everything in my life, what to wear what to eat what to say and not to say. When the bruising was all over my face I was not allowed to go anywhere or to speak to anyone and that was quite a bit. I stayed silent with my head hung down and hair in my face. I was ashamed of who I'd became.
My ex Husband was a Sociopath with every sense of the word. He was a liar an abuser a cheater a rapist and so much more! He accused me of always cheating on him don't see how when I didn't even know to drive even if I had a car. Oh, he kept all of the money "when he would worked. I was allowed to work only part time but never saw the money NEVER!
Our Marriage ended when he dropped me back at mothers with just the clothes on my back. Four weeks later I took the Bus back home and when I open the bedroom door there he was having enercourse with another girl! I SNAPPED! If the gun safety latch wasn't on safety I'd be in prison today! Four years with him took a lifetime of trust to rebuild with anyone. I'm now 67 remarried in my mid twenties with 3 beautiful kids. When I watch shows like this makes me think back to those days of pure torture. Thank you in advance for reading my post. If there's anyone out there in trouble and unable to walk away PLEASE make that call and save your life and your kids too if any? God Bless and keep safe.
From Phoenix AZ.
Why would u take a bus back to an abuser u were finally away from and why would u get jealous he was having sex with another woman?? Would be happy for any woman to take him if he was beating me???
@@darlenebertocci4631why shaming her going back and feeling love...ppl get attached..it takes many times for a woman to leave her abuser
As a mother of a son who has a beautiful heart and is more likely to be abused by a woman than vice-versa, I hope that you have at least a chapter in your book about men as victims and women as perpetrators. We know it happens. And you really conducted the entire conversation as if it's never the other way around. Obviously it is the vast majority of perpetrators that are male but the fact is there are some male victims of the female in their life.
This is the comment I was looking for! My son is married to a sociopathic narcissist woman. She's very dangerous. She has him believing all kinds of things that have never happened. She could convince him to kill his entire family. I even have a police report about them from abusive and threatening text messages. Messages wishing death on me and others, with fireball emojis and laughing faces. Absolutely disgusting and evil! He is completely estranged from every friend he's ever had and from his entire family. No doubt in my mind that she is plotting and concocting a way to get rid of all of us. She will never be happy until all of us are dead.
I am going through this with my son right now..his "girlfriend" has been abusing him for over 3 years..she has befriended his father..his sisters and other family members from his fathers side. (His father and I have been divorced for years) this girlfriend of my son has had my son arrested numerous times claiming abuse. His first trial he was found not guilty in less then 2 hours! Four months later she had him arrested again..for domestic abuse!! When I bailed him out of jail 2 days later..the moment we got into the car to leave the jail parking lot I noticed bruises on his forarms..he told me what she did to him..he pushed up his sleeves revealing more bruising..I asked him if he showed the cops this when he was arrested he said he did and told them it was her that is abusing him and told them to take pictures..they blatantly ignored him! I told him we are going back into the jail and I'm taking pictures right there in the lobby..I told the dispatcher at the jail lobby to call an officer because she and the officer are going to witness the pictures I took were from the very moment I bailed him out. When we got home I emailed them to the county sheriffs department..he did nothing..I emailed them again and attached the "public defender" and he did nothing also. These pictures of his injuries are significant with markings from the object she struck him with..his case(s) have all been reopened under an appeal right now or I would say what this object she used to beat him with was..its a crazy mess methodically manipulated by her! To top it all off she had been arrested for abusing my son in a different county 2 months after they started dating so the first time he was arrested and found not guilty she had a no contact order with my son being the protected party and a violation to that order one month after her arrest yet the cops ignored that and arrested my son and let her go! She portrays herself as this poor innocent victim playing the system and anyone she can! This "poor innocent girl who claims to be a victim of domestic abuse" is a 5' 8... 230 lb monster and needs to be held accountable for the damage she has and continues to cause..one more thing she had claimed victim of the exact same allegations with her childs father! This needs to be recognized by the legislature and the media..men are abused too and very well could be even more than women are!
I just buried a friend last year because his girlfriend stabbed him in the heart ❤️ in his sleep.
@@sammygaudino8906that's heartbreaking. I'm sorry, that's just terrible. 💔
@@classngraceI hope your son gets free of her permanently and can find a nice woman to have a good relationship with.
It's always refreshing to hear such a calm, balanced, non-sensationalized and nuanced discussion. Megyn is an excellent reporter/interviewer/host/moderator
Excellent interview thoroughly enjoyed it keep up the excellent work ladies
Anyone can be a victim of coercive control. I was a police officer, married to a police officer. Married quickly, had children and it wasn’t until I was pregnant with my second child that I saw the red flags. I am a strong, confident, intelligent woman. I didn’t see it coming.
Thank you . Finally an adequate word to explain it
They most definitely erode your entire existence
This is why they need to address parental alienation
We are starting to see the impact from this
A parent should never use their children as a weapon against the other parent. Make a civilised agreement for the children’s sakes.
I am from South Africa and we have had 2 young men who wiped out their families . Don Steenkamp ( Griekwastad murders on youtube ) was 16 when murdered his parents and 14 year sister.
Henri van Breda murdered his brother , mother and father , his sister recovered miraculously from the axe attack.
Both are still denying their crimes .
Also Trevor Adlington murdered his 3 children and his wife miraculously survived against all odds , the list goes on. We will never know why.... 😢
This video helped made me make the decision I need to act now even though I fear the courts will not help me. This will be the second time I’ve had to do this. I am stronger now, more aware, more educated, and emotionally regulated compared to the 1st attempt. After watching this video I do believe I’ve been naive to think the man who is abusing me and my children using coercive control wont escalate more into physical violence or worse.
Thank you for spreading this type of domestic abuse awareness. Let’s get this screening in the U.S. please! My prayers and love go out to all those suffering from any type of abuse. You are not alone 🙏🫶🏻💪
Very impressive guest, Laura Richards. Everyone needs to hear her. You have such a way of bringing forth the best guests and getting to the crux of the issues.
Please get Laura on again! You two were a great duo.
Love this interview. I was reading Melanie B’s (of the spice girls) and she, despite fame n bold personality was gaslit by her former husband
I am a victim of child abuse, domestic violence and sexual abuse. I survived it all and I am the most strongest person that I have ever known. The only way you can stop abuse is with social awareness and school education.
Yes, Education needs to be started early
Wow, the anger in Murdaugh's face.
Great interview. Dr Richard’s is such an informative guest on this subject . Domestic violence needs to be highlighted . It is hard to help when the victim becomes isolated from family and friends , my family are trying to cope with this very situation, which ended tragically in murder .
All I can say is thank heavens we have people like Laura on the case working so hard against these psychopaths. Such terrible tales...stuff of nightmares but they aren't. Thank you Megyn as always 💛
Losing control did NOT MAKE ME A MURDERER!!
Excellent episode. Thank you!
As someone who’s been in a domestic violence relationship for over 10 years and I never told my family, friends or coworkers. They ended up finding out about what was going on. I’ll never ever forget that the first time he put his hands on me he threw me up against a wall and choked me I’ll never forget it. He was arrested once for it and of course I went to see him in jail dropped the charges and stayed with him many years later and it got worse and worse too the point we were constantly brawling and we literally moved across the country, he moved and I followed. The relationship ended up coming too a end. My family friends and coworkers did know but I never said anything and another time when my job didn’t hear from me for 3 days the cops came too do a welfare check on me and that turned out too be bad he was pissed. The minute I seen Gabby I knew knew she was abused by that POS. My heart breaks for her family, no family should ever go through this. It’s sad and sad and insane.
I can't not comment! I went to the police after my husband beat my head back and forth (from behind) so hard I fell on the floor, saw stars and thought I was dying. I'm 40% deaf in both ears from that. He fixed and buttoned his suit and left. The woman who witnessed this, didn't want to get involved, the cops (who knew us both) said, really? He's such a nice guy! What did you do to deserve that? Honestly, he THOUGHT I had forgotten to order something for our shop.That's the tip of the iceberg...
I’m so sorry that happened to you.
The experience of thinking that you’re safe, then a cop 👮🏻♂️ looks you in your face and says, “But he said he didn’t do it. He seems like a nice guy”
That moment is Soul crushing 😢
I hope you left.....
I’m not blaming Gabby’s parents, but I can’t imagine parents giving their approval to a daughter to be going off wandering around the U. S. In a van with a bust-out guy who is a bum. She might be of age?, but who paid for her van , and who was buying the gas? She was trying to make it with podcasts, but I can’t imagine that she was making enough money to finance everything. He certainly wasn’t paying for anything because he stole her van just to get home. He very most probably used her credit card for food and gas to make it home to add insult to injury!!!Watching the behavior of his parents explains why he turned out the way he did. What a tragedy that could have been prevented at several junctures!!! On top of everything that had transpired, it was incomprehensible to me that the creep came driving up in HER van and refused to report her whereabouts. I guess he tried to keep the van!!?!? or did the police impound it after the fact?!?!?!?
Second comment…..how about a discussion about mothers especially (like Chris Watts mom) that stand by their sons even when they’ve wiped out their grandchildren. That is very shocking to me.
God, imagine being Collette's father and seeing that disgusting man smirking on a talk show. Awful.
Laura Richards is outstanding! She is very serious but not in the "man hater" style. I'm so glad Megyn had her on, I can't wait to find out more about her.
Thank you Megan. It was very interesting. Great quality guest
This guest Richards turned out to be very informative and interesting. I was going to change it at first. Super smart.
Megyn, true the best way is- once the man hits you make a plan and leave tell everyone they know friends family that way the man will just walk away. It worked for me he hit me once scared me to death then gave himself permission to do it again I made a plan and left when he was out of town and never ever go back ever. No second chances....
Yes, I have read and listened to psychologist who say, have a plan in place before you go anywhere. Get out ( with children) when he is away from home. That means having a place set up with furniture, clothing, etc beforehand. Try not to leave a trail. The terrible part of this is that a lot of women don’t have resources or people who will help. Sometimes it’s dangerous to go to parent’s house and involve them also. I would have the police involved if possible. This could certainly be a time of grave danger and good luck‼️
This is one of my favorite videos that Megan has done.
Hi Megyn, I love your shows; news and crime. I'm listening from Poland 🇵🇱
I didn't plan to sit here for almost two hours and watch this episode, but I did! Thankfully, I don't have anyone in my life who is a psychopath, but I think it's important to know the signs. SO much great information. Please, please everyone look out for your family and friends who may be victims of this type of behavior, before it's too late. Thank you Megyn for bringing on Laura. Great episode!
What about the female abusers and annihilators? Lori Vallow who murdered her two children. I know you've talked about Amber Heard and the wannabe duchess from Montecito. What about them? Aren't they female abusers? My own grandmother has abused her own husband, daughter, son-in-law, and two granddaughters. She has thrown things, kicked and punched us, called us every name in the book and then some, and generally made living with her an absolute nightmare. To live with this woman, I suspect I subconsciously dampened my own emotions to the point I wonder sometimes if I'm a sociopath. If that isn't abuse, I don't know what is.
This doctor was absolutely fantastic! Her explanations and obviously her work, is spot on. We need more awareness of this. The domestic violence statistics in the US are mind boggling!
As it is in South Africa.
When you are being abused you are in a bubble...not in a true reality
Fascinating interview. We should be educating HS students on this topic. It's hard to comprehend why these men just don't leave. Sure, the process of separating is difficult but there is light on the other side and a life. The life long impact to all family members is inescapable.
And college students!!!
Not to mention the dumb abuser also wrecks HIS life by hopefully ending up behind bars, because, guess what, they always look to the spouse FIRST……duh.
Helpful conversation! Pls have Laura back on the show again. I would be interested to hear her thoughts on the killing of Jon Benet Ramsey.
Glad I never told my ex- I was leaving. I just left.
We are SOOOOO FAR from having any real understanding of abuse. Yes they were totally misogynistic towards Gabby. The hysterical woman is always disregarded. It drives me mad! Poor Gabby. May she fly with the angels!!!
She was kind of manipulative. She got her way with everyone. And you know she pretty much did have to have things her way. But yet she was unable to do a lot of things like drive her own van. She tried to manipulate the policeman into letting him drive her to the hotel. Even though she was traveling all across the country she tried to manipulate the policeman into choosing a hotel that was only a mile or two away so she wouldn't have to drive her own van too far. It takes two to tango. I am always curious as to why she has four supposedly loving step parents yet none of them were aware she chose to live. She saw greener pastures with Brian's parents who helped her get her van life dream on the road
You're a hysterical woman,aren't you!
They approached both people according to their own behavior. Cops just react strategically to get the most information they can. They wanted him to say as much as possible so they made him comfortable, and did the same with her. I’ve been around a few combative couples where they need to be separated- none of them ever committed this kind of twisted crime. The cops see this everyday. That’s the problem with psychos. They blend in.
This is one of the most powerful -- maybe THE most powerful -- show I've ever seen you do. Well done.
I was married 30 years and divorced fo many years and so glad to be alone.
That was a very educational interview.I pray my daughter never runs into one of these types of men while dating.
The women in their lives likely saw red flags, but because of those very reason "successful, well liked members of society" they are afraid to speak-up and likely even blame themselves for the husband's mood changes. In the case of a Chris Watts his parents were still putting the blame on Shannan even after he confessed!
anyone can be robbed of their confidence and become codependent
I’m not saying shanann deserved to be murdered. But she abused Chris watts. The degrading way she treated him on camera,, can’t imagine how it was off camera. That sht would make anyone snap. She was far from innocent ffs..
His mother couldn't stand Shanaan and visa versa!
@@kclombard7956 I wouldn't equate those two though. Chris' mom disliked Shannan before even meeting her cuz she didn't think any woman was good enough for her son. Shannan had good reason to dislike her MIL. She was disrespected at every turn and the MIL even tried to hurt her granddaughter by having foods she is allergic to sitting out at her house!
@@kclombard7956Chris's sister Jamie also had a relationship with her sister in-law that was of mutual hatred and contempt.
I learn so much from your show. You’re a great teacher Megyn. We’re your students
Saying “No ..I would never“ while your head is nodding “ Yes”🙄
Could he have thought of Paul his own son as a liability too, felt threatened by Maggie too, so so sad. I don't get why they turn to murder.
Well, yes, he most certainly did, as he was going to have to spend his precious money (and time, he was drugged up and lazy/not productive) providing defence for him for murdering Mallory while intoxicated in the boat wreck!
You leave out her parents and his parents! Where are they in this story? Generational connections are a helpful factor....yet Noone includes them. Makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE !!!!°°
Surprisingly enough, no one talks about Chris Coleman, Joyce Meyers former bodyguard, who killed his wife and two sons.
That’s such a sad story
@@gbtink it's brutal
Thank you!
Great interview with Laura, a very informed intelligent person!❤
Laura Richards is a known scam artist in the UK. She has falsified her resume, falsely accused a colleague of stalking, and tried to cash in here in the US on a background that doesn't exist. Someone didn't do their homework in scheduling her.
Excellent interview. It brings up the problems in the Biden family with
two children who are drug & sex addicts, also thieves & liars. From
whom are these aberrations learned? Parents who allow this
behavior then cover for their errant children are responsible in
a very dangerous way.
Bahahahahaha!!!! 😂😂😂
Meg I barely wrapped my mind around /Scott Petersson I cannot comprehend these latest ones I do not even want to try. luv Laura Richards.
YES I KNOW ALREADY ABOUT THIS SUBJECT, men who murder their families. I have been reading about this in books, articles and other media outlets for decades. Stay safe ladies
Problem is Shirlie, there are women out there that are in denial that thier spouse, gfs / bfs are being abusive. They have excuses for thier bad behavior..they are blind to it.
"He loves me", "He's stressed out", "He apologized", He didn't mean it", etc, etc..
I've heard it all from people I know, but my words fall on deaf ears.
I shared my personal nightmare story with a covert narcissist after we split up, with my close friends, family and anyone who will listen to me.
Covert narcissists are real, they're stealth and purposely set out to destroy those closest to them / in relationships..
They cause more destruction, upheaval and phycological damage to every person they stick their claws into.
A couple of my friends told me I should write a book about what I have learned.
I was bound and determined to research his behavior, and boy did I uncover everything about him.
He followed every covert narcissist trait ever written. Literally, step by step. As all narcs do.
It's incredible but that's what they do. It's as though they all follow a playbook on how to abuse..
As I began to realize who he really was, I actually started to feel the effects of his abuse.
I was only with him 4 months..
Out of the gate, it was a whirlwind romance, love bombed me, triangulated me, ghosted me, you name it, he did it.
I began to ghost him and the frosting on the cake was that narcs dump you when you least expect it..out of no where..during very happy times in your life, or on important or meaningful dates..birth of a baby, a job promotion, anything that means alot to you. They do this so you'll always remember them on that date and so you will feel the pain and hurt that they caused on that date. They also dump you at the saddest time of your life. They do this because they know your vulnerable and how deeply upset about whatever you're going through.
My ex narc dumped me after he was supposedly upset because I spent the day at my close friends bedside as she was dying from cancer.
I was already done with him by then, but he called me to let me know it was over. He had to be the one to end it and to shove it in my face as my friend was taking her last breath.
If that didn't confirm my suspension about how dangerous narcs can be I don't know what is.
I already knew how they discard you during happy or difficult times, so I showed him zero emotion when he called me to end it. My uncaring response was, I already knew it was over.
Months later he contacts me to feel me out, let me know what he was up to. Asked nothing about me. But updated me as though I gave a sh*t about him.
After his failed attempts to suck me back in, I didn't take the bait.
I knew he'd come back or contact me after his discarding me. That's a trait covert narcs do..with no intention of getting back with you, they want you to keep thinking of you.
Since we first met, his behavior was very strange. He loved bombed me, brought me flowers on our first few dates, brought me jewelry after the first month or so. Told me he loved me.
I thought it was very strange because he hardly knew me and I hardly knew him.
He knew I was newly divorced and assumed I was vulnerable. He had a rude awakening because that's when I researched his behavior and all that I found was covert narcissism.
I dug deep into my research..the more I read up on it, the more I uncovered so I dug deeper and deeper.
Sorry for the long story but I wanted to put my experience out there for you and others.
We can prevent abuse if we know what the warning signs are.
I had no clue what covert narcissism was..but I know now. I was lucky to get away before he sucked me in deep.
I didn't mention but he had a short fuse, and was occasionally agitated. Rageful twice.
He kept that part under wraps but I did see what would become more frequent amd probably escalate if we stayed together. They can bring drama to the table as well. If drama wasn't around, he'd create it. No joke. It was borderline extreme at times. Which is draining.
I can spot one a mile away. Or if someone told characteristic traits and behavior of their partners, I can honestly say they are or aren't one.
It's very strange the reaction of some that I have told about my ex narc.
They don't believe me or they think I'm exaggerating. It's frustrating trying to convince others that these creatures ( covert narcs) actually exist.
A telling sign that so many are unaware of narcissism, (all kinds), phycopathy, sociopathy, etc
It's scary the amount of people that have no idea they're being abused or those who aren't and had no idea the abusers are out there and how very real they are.
Educate ourselves is what we all should do. It's crucial.
I can't stress that enough.
It can literally be a matter of life or death.
I hope your capitol letters are just for support of all the husband and wives who suffer from abuse and control. If not- please tell someone.
Megyn should feel embarrassed at how uneducated she is on the topic of abuse and control in relationships! Surprising!!!
You should feel proud , ( not defensive) that you have studied this topic and are clearly educated.
@@Lisa-hc3uq I wanted to respond to Shirley also, but I found your comments so you basically stated everything I felt when I read Shirley’s comment. First she says she has been reading about DV
for decades. It’s more than reading about the subject. Maybe the women who experience the violence in their own life see it soo much differently!
another excellent show! thank you Megyn ❤
When you describe the gaslighting, love bombing and whirlwind relationship then total control of the victim. Reminds me a lot of harry and Meghan 😮 harry kept saying Meghan is the saviour, the only good thing in his life and how she isolate him and with drxg… quite worrying
Yes!! That relationship is abusive and playing out on the world stage for all to see.
This is so educational. Can you also do a similar show about female psychopaths? It would be very useful to understand any contrasts and similarities between the male psychopaths. Men get into those relationships and suffer much mental abuse, and sometimes even are murdered by the female.
Great show, love Laura
My littles are 6 and 2 and this episode hit hard. It was a well done episode by Megyn Kelly but still it left a hollow pit in my stomach to think about those poor babies. I had no idea that the 5yo had asked her father if he was going to do to her what he did to her sister. That breaks my heart.
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Wow, this made me see the Murdaugh and Chris Watts cases in a completely different light. Never occured to me the control angle for either, with controlling the whole county as literally the law and Paul's behavior, nor the Watts initial illness dependency. What a meticulous sharp eye to see that. Fantastic show!
Excellent show xxx
My mom noticed (way back in the 70's) that it often seems like men who kill their wives often do it when she's pregnant. I thought, wow mom, you're pretty cynical! But she was right to see that it's the extra pressure of a baby that can be the final straw in the man not having control over his wife.
Murder statistics bear out the heightened danger of murder to pregnant wives & partners.
Love your stuff lately! ❤