Cultish: How I found Jesus at Burning Man, Pt. 2
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Join us as we continue our conversation with Will Spencer as he shares about an unexpected encounter at one of the burn camps that changed the trajectory of his life forever leading him to find what he & many other burners were looking for in Black Rock City.
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I am so sad when I hear of Christians evangelizing without mentioning Jesus for fear of offending or being misunderstood. Almost all New Agers accept Jesus as a wise teacher. With gentleness, kindness, and love, use His words to make them consider their beliefs! This is why we should read and memorize Scripture, especially the Gospels. As a former Bay Area Deadhead and New Ager, it was His Word, spoken to me by a loving friend, that opened my mind, eyes and heart to Jesus's love and my need for Him as Savior.
Indeed, there is no evangel without Him.
I agree. You're giving all this first hand accounting of truth to a truth seeker and you're handing them Hos word without mentioning His name. It's an incomplete evangelism. There's power in His name.
When are we going to get the cultish episodes on Freemasonry???
I second this!!
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They say itll be soon. Hopefully it is.
I was a heroin addict for 11 years until a couple years ago when the Lord delivered me from it, but somewhere during that time, I was into psychedelics and my brother cooked ayahuasca tea for us. DMT for 9 hours straight is traumatizing, and I absolutely had to beg my brother to lay hands on me and pray for me for what seemed to be the majority of the time. When it first kicked in, I never threw up and I just absorbed all of it, and I began to panic and call anyone I knew who was an expert on the subject, asking if there was any way to counteract the drug. I even considered instinctively climbing a tree to try to get away from it, but my instinct immediately told me there's no way to be fast enough. Needless to say, I was overwhelmed even though I was no stranger to psychedelic experiences, as I was heavily steeped in psychedelic culture and I loved it. This was on such a higher level of experience, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It is for good reason that the Lord forbids all types of mediumship. I will say, that the Lord did eventually use that memory to point me away from the wisdom of people, and to Himself.
Amen, God bless you
Amen! 🙏🏽♥️
I’ve been to a Christian camp at BM. I don’t remember the name of it. It was some time between 2004-2006. They made food for anyone who wanted it. I went there twice for a meal. A friend of mine went every day. The people were very kind and welcoming. No one talked about Jesus. There were just pamphlets on the tables. There were also foot washing stations. The whole experience was lovely. I wasn’t a Christian then and so, I appreciated their relaxed approach. I also last went in 2015.
There are a couple ministries that go there (as of 2022) and do direct apologetics, as well as "needs and care" stuff like you experienced.
There's also a guy from a podcast called Canary Cry Radio who visits each year (along with some other guys) to report back on what new occult and trans-human terms Christians need to be prepared to confront.
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This episode is way better then the Joe Rogan Experience
this episode was a sympatico experience definitely.... loved it
And big shout out to Jenny who told me where to find part 2 DOH !
Well that true
We are all on a journey..He still has a lot of pride. I pray his humility is restored with mercy.
Hey brother! Welcome to God's family. I hope you receive much encouragement from those around you. Keep grounded in the word. God will use your experiences for his kingdom. Keep seeking him! May God bless you and those around you richly.
Amen.
This is so important to share,
Is anyone else at least a little concerned that not once was reading the Bible part of his testimony? Not to mention there is no wave of evil being set against Jesus, but His own Father's wrath coming down on Him as He bore our sins for us. I'm just surprised and thought I was going to hear a lot more on this man's repentance and learning about Jesus' commandments or the gospel... from the actual gospels.
"Not to mention there is no wave of evil being set against Jesus, but His own Father's wrath coming down on Him as He bore our sins for us." What did you mean by that? sorry, I didn't understand.
Amen! Glory to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ.
The host seems eager to share his opinions and views, and especially right after the guest has shared a critical part of his story. If you’re going to interview people, learn to listen and spend some time on the most important points before moving on to interject your perspective or follow up questions.
So this is just constructive criticism and I could be way off base here but the guest kind of romanticized his life behavior. There is like no accountability of trashing your spiritual life. His comment about he thinks God allowed him to go through this so he could see all of this is a bit of a stretch. I mean you kind of listen to this guy and everything sounds like this could be adventurous, to say the least maybe I should give it a try or go out to burning man and check it out for myself.
I live about 3 hours from burning man I am well aware of what goes on out there. I have good friends that have a neighbor that goes every year and I was going to give them the link to this interview but, to be honest, I'm not getting your guest's attitude.
I love Cultish and will always watch it and support it and I can't wait for your expose on the SDA because that will have major consequences on the majority of people in our society but these last two episodes kind of left me with a bad taste.
I didn't get romanticism at all. He was strictly being honest.
I think you're. Being incorrectly overly critical. He is being honest about his life and his experiences. God can save any person if he so chooses. How he does it is going to be different from person to person.
I thought Burning Man was a music festival and Santaria was an alcoholic drink and I joked about channeling someone like Mom is channeling Grandma and I’ve done yoga. I’m learning a lot from you.
My man, Christ would never put you in those situations. I’m sorry.
I agree
Christ called him home and that’s all that matters
So I just have one question. Are we affirming that these people who placed their hands on his head during that whole vision experience are actually regenerate believers? Is that not a pagan practice we are warned to steer clear from? This seems to veer off from reformed thought
What’s pagan about praying for someone? Is laying hands on someone in the name of Jesus pagan? Don’t forget Jesus laid his hand on the unclean.
“And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.”
Acts 6:5-6 KJV
“Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 8:14-17 KJV
“Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.”
1 Timothy 4:14 KJV
And so on and so on. Laying on of hands is biblical.
"manifesting" is conjuring. It is a mental effort of one's will. It has effect, but it does not reflect the infinite will of God. I once had a friend who was out of work. She prayed for a job. She did not conjure for purposes of manifestation, but instead put the entire matter in God's hands. She sat and she prayed, "Dear lord, I need work because I have bills to pay. Please send me a job, even one that I could never imagine, but you can." Seven weeks later she had a new job in a field she never even knew existed ~ and her salary bump made all her concerns for expenses a non issue.
So I’ve listened to the podcast now, and I’m wondering did this man really believe that the picture he saw and vision he has was actually Christ’s face… or just a representation? He didn’t make it clear and that’s a bit concerning if he believes an image made of Christ is actually Christ.
In the vision it was a man's face in three dimensions, just as if someone had walked up to me on the street. The representation that I later saw had captured that face, like a painter's portrait would.
Just remember...that Lucifer appears as an angel of light. It's nature at its core is DECEPTION. Not just Lucifer. But it's messengers. They are all DECEPTIVE in nature. They can change their appearance...without changing their ACTUAL nature. The only thing your doing when anyone partakes in the world of psychedelics. Is your entering and tapping into the realms of the demonic. I pray that people start using ACTUAL DISCERNMENT. Particularly discernment of spirits. God bless you 🙏 Jesus Christ is the ALMIGHTY KING OVER EARTH AND ALL THE UNIVERSE 333
That portrait of christ is suspect imo. He wouldn't have been as white as that and the bible says that Jesus wasn't good looking. It also says not to make any graven images. So there are 3 red flags based on scripture already. Not to mention that when you look into this sprit dream group they have their roots in ihop and christian mysticism. This has great deception written all over it. And I take no pleasure in saying this. I aggrieved by what is happening in the church and am personally affected by this web of destruction. the Bible also says a bad tree can't produce good fruit so you can get good fruit from a ministry that is born out of unbiblical practices. Also born out of ihop are christian tarot card reading and leaders who attend conferences called the "new mystics." There is no place for boundaries clearly laid out in scripture when the goal is experience based. That is the root of the problem. We are warned all throughout scripture of a false christ, a false gospel, and a false spirit.I just pray for clarity for anyone affected by the wolves in the church. We have lost all fear of God
Alot of vets are doing this process of psychedelics. Especially spec ops. They go from suicidal to leveled out.
It's some place in mexico.
Burning Man starts at 14:30. You're welcome.
Amen that’s an amazing praise God
I know you’ve talked about the Black Hebrew Israelites before, but can you do a more in depth episode as to why it’s not true?
Vocab Malone is like the expert on Hebrew Israelites. Check out his stuff it’s awesome
Great food connection!
This is great!!! Thank you Jesus!!! I’ve known of a lady named Cindy McGill (I believe that’s her last name?). She was called by God to minister to people at Burning Man. Wondering if this is who ministered to him?😃
I'm sorry but there is something off about this man's testimony.
Yep. Just started digging into his info and already so many red flags
In what sense? I can tell you, I have known Will for almost a decade and he is 100% authentic in everything he says. I was in close communication with him throughout his world travels and had a frontrow seat to his gradual transformation and eventual baptism. Will is a good man, to the extent the sinful, fallen human being we all are can be. All men are flawed and need Christ's forgiveness. There are none who are truly righteous but, Will is a better man than most.
I would look after the mote in your own eye rather than question the legitimacy of a brother in Christ's personal relationship with Jesus.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Him. But, people come to Jesus in a million billion different ways. Because of His grace, love and forgiveness, there is no path that can keep a lost sheep from finding Him. There is nowhere on earth from which the Light of The World cannot be seen and nowhere from which any person can't begin following Him right now today. There's no qualifying location one must arrive at on their own to become acceptable to Jesus. If we had to be worthy of Jesus' love, none of us would receive it. But, praise Jesus, He gives us His Love and covers us with His protection, despite the fact we are so unworthy of it.
After being saved, we are perfected in our faith. This doesn't happen overnight. It's not an immediate process. It's not as though we never stumble in our walk with Christ but, when we do, He is there to steady us if we turn to Him.
Will has been a Christian for 2 years and is on fire for the Lord. His faith is his primary driver in Life, more so than most Christians I know, myself included. I know this because I know how he spoke and how he approached life before his baptism. I know what was important to him then. I know what matters to him now. So I know for a fact that his faith and service is unquestionably the most important part of his life. Even though I have been a Christian much longer than Will, I look up to him as a brother in Christ.
We judge a tree by its fruit. The fruit in Will's life is ripe and abundant. The change in him and his life since his baptism is palpable. Jesus is working in him and in his life and has a purpose for him to fulfill. Of that, I have no doubt.
@@travisfleenor2418 in what way did I question his relationship with Christ or “desire” to follow Him or his sincerity. 26 of 27 books in the New Testament alone warn against false teachers. They are said to be deceived and go on deceiving. It also says it would deceive even the very elect if possible and it’s has crept into the church unawares. My point is simply to look with a critical eye of the teachings we follow that are unbiblical and to call it out publicly. I have been studying some of this new age deception for years because it personally affected someone I love so I’m particularly sensitive to certain buzz words and beliefs. The group that has discipled him is getting their teaching talking points from the NAR which I call the web of destruction. I could go on for pages about all the problems concerning this group but I am of the belief after years of research and prayer that they will be instrumental in the great deception and the church turning away from sound doctrine like described in revelation. If the fruit you are looking for is just simply life change or peace etc. then how do you explain when people get that result from new age practices or other religions or self help or lots of things that people testify to helping them in life. It’s not the only metric and it’s dangerous to allow just any teaching that produces that result as biblical. I’m not questioning this man’s salvation or sincerity, but I do question that of a lot of the leaders of the NAR and challenging Christians to stick with the Bible because it is the power of God unto salvation. We don’t need to trick anyone into accepting the truth of Gods word or try to be like the world. We are warned about that repeatedly.
The Bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge and also warns that people can diligently seek Him and not find Him. Forgive me for not getting you the verse I’m just short on time but will gladly do it later.
This is a complex issue that’s what makes it so hard to fight against. It’s hard to touch all the points in a brief paragraph or two but I have a ton of resources if anyone is interested in digging deeper. Again I’m not judging the man’s heart. I just think he’s being led astray and seems to be prone to wandering off into myths so probably shouldn’t be put in a position of authority.
It is biblical to judge false teachings. The verse you quoted about removing the log from your own eye has nothing to do with that but is misused to shut down this kind of questioning.
The bereans were of most noble character because they searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true.
Peace
I'm glad someone else pointed it out to! I actually had begun my "Christian journey" with charismatics and the Wor dof Faith movement. Low and behold... I was a FALSE CONVERT. Jesus actually saved me years later and I have learned that prosperity gospel does not teach the Biblical, truthful, and real Jesus that came to dwell with us to save us. I find red flags here myself based on terms used, lack of scripture and lack of God's grace. Just surprised by the episode; not what I was expecting.
Yeah I can tell you hes not a false convert. But you believe what you want.
I know in my own life that psychedelic mushrooms totally got me out of a depressed state I was in. I think there is definite medical use for it. Also it was made by Jesus cuz all things were made by him and through him so it definitely has a purpose
Thank you for sharing that. I made major progress on a nerve problem from careful use of "drugs" in that category, but also had experience s that most people would clarify as evil/occult from what is considered a safe/neutral prescription chemical.
(I'm being vague on purpose so that no one is tempted to replicate either of my experiences)
We definitely need to be careful about labeling any one compound as allways safe/good or dangerous/evil.
When it comes to ingesting anything, a good rule of thumb is “the dose makes the poison”. Too much of anything can be dangerous, even too much water. It’s important to examine what it is, what the potential effects are in different amounts, and the purpose of why you’re taking it in that amount. A good example is wine, Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding! Alcohol can be extremely dangerous in certain quantities, and when used for different purposes. If you’re having a glass at a wedding because you like the taste and you’re enjoying the celebration, that’s one thing. But if you’re having an entire bottle by yourself to numb the emotional pain you’re going through, that’s different and not okay in the eyes of God. In the case of ayahuasca it sounds like people are seeking to use it to heal themselves of trauma and emotional pain, which is what we should seek Jesus for.
This is a wierd episode. The testimony here is strange. How can you meet Christ and then participate in a bunch of false practices afterward? Also, not about N.T. Wright. The interviewee's testimony sounds a bit suspect, if I'm being honest.
His encounter at burning man was part of his linear journey in eventually finding Christ.
He attends Apologia church regularly and is also a member & and as his deacon, I’ll testify that he consistently emulate the fruits of the spirit on a regular basis 🙂
I agree...
I took it as the starting point of his journey but he wasn't quite ready to really give his life over. But it set the stage to be ready when he got home from his travels. For some, the journey takes longer. For others, that vision would have been all it took. His journey took longer and thankfully, he made it home to following Jesus. It's a risk to wait.
Who says their false practices
@@JacobBrown-mr3lx *they're (false grammar)
I don't believe Jesus sent this man on his evil journey as he claimed .
I have a question to the renaissance man who did the interview you don't have anything positive to say about psilocybin mushrooms
We NEED Catholicism and "Orthodoxy," please!
So most Christians globally?
How does that apply?
I’m a little uncomfortable with the kind of braggy, almost glorifying tone about doing so much ayahuasca. You can say you aren’t glorifying it, but sure there was a lot of positive talk about what you got out of doing all these drugs.
I’m sorry you heard that because I’m not bragging at all. The best thing I got out of it was discovering the grace of God that I survived. I can now tell people what it is, and why to avoid it. It’s all been put into service to God. If anything, Jeremiah and I were laughing about how crazy I was.
I didn't hear bragging from this conversation. I'm sure we all hear differently. Thank you for this video.
@@renofmen The part about inviting some spirit in when you drink the tea was VERY a interesting. I’m glad you found the truth, brother.
@@donjoseph73 Jeremiah and I are friends. There was a jovial tone. I can understand how someone could potentially misunderstand, even if they're an outlier. Thank you
@@jillcrown5888 Thank you!