Was pleasure to meet you. Great car. If it was me ide do a smoke test on boost circuit to look for boost leaks. The Intercoolers have seals that perish on the hoses
Having ongoing issues getting proper power out of my N47'd E61 520d as well so.. as always will continue to follow your videos and see what your troubleshooting process is. Fairly sure despite having fixed one massive boost leak (same as you had on yours that you covered in another video, with the pipe from the intercooler up to the throttle body!) I am sure I still have another.
Simpleycheck: -Faulty injectors (comes also with black smoke) -Boostleak -Aged HPFP -Engine has wear internally (compression loss) -Bad turbo Also, any tunner should also measure your smoke. This is a relvant test to healtcheck your engine specially your injectors.
All the dynos measure HP differently. It is just like a bodyfat scale. You can easily estimate HP by looking at accel of the car stock and then start modding it. That wheel HP looked on the low side when guys in NA are putting 200 wheel HP on a stage 2 map N47. What map did you get? I would look at the map as an issue. Tuners sometimes will just adjust the fueling and nothing else. They will go into the map and just adjust the target values for fuel pressure. If you add boost pressure, you get an additional 5 percent gain on top of the 20 percent gain typically found with fueling. The issue is when you remove emission controls and don't have a way to properly tune those changes. A flash tuner will just guess what the effect will be (faster turbo spool) but not account for the additional fueling needed.
Would have been nice to log the Dyno pull to check request vs actual boost. Then you would know more immediately. If actual is hitting target, wouldn't need to chase a boost leak that might not exist. If it were a leak find and fix (hopefully quickly) and throw it back on the dyno.
Exact same boat as you George. My 320d is only running at 147bhp. EGR blanked, dpf out, flaps gone, map and MAF replaced. No fault codes. Slight weep from intercooler connection to intake but mechanic reckons it's the turbo actuator or vanes.
@@GeorgeAusters a bit yeah. My da has the exact same car and his drives better. Going to go at the boost pipe next, failing that I'll have to try a reconditioned turbo. If that doesn't work then I'm at a loss 🤔
Sent mine in for an second opinion today and a smoke test. Garage have rang me to say that there's no boost leaks and that turbo and actuator are working perfect. Only thing I can think of now is that there's a 18d engine in there even though it's a 320d. In saying that mine had swirl flaps which if I'm right the 18d's don't ? At a complete loss now at this stage. Keep us updated on yours George.
@@catalinmarculescu2866 Yeah garage said that it's definitely a 20d engine. Garage reckons my dpf hasn't being mapped out properly, said it seems like it's trying to do regents. Also recommended to me to do a hydro clean and see if it improves things.
You could start by running some Mannol Diesel Injector cleaner through her or doing an injector clean by means of diesel purge. Not suggesting you'll find the 20 hp but you'll find some extra power. How easy is it to get to the turbo? A lot of people rave about Wynns Turbo Cleaner.
I am not a fan of injector cleaner. If you hace your injectors clogged and you use the cleaner you just treat the symptom, not the cause. They can be clogged with ther metallic particles from high pressure pump (CP4 has the habbit of wearing too much)... So you clean the injectors.. But in 10-15 000 km the problem will be back
228hp on mine +420nm or a bit more, 520d lci estate n47 2009 (no crap remap or 'chip'...done with multiple dyno runs) After few years : blown turbo (210k km) and you can feel the gearbox needs some love. (Manual) Next car: 330e or 530e 😉😉
Hi George, I have a 118d N47 looking to tune it. My worry is the timing chain I had it done 1 year ago. However the rattle came back but it's quite quiet. Could it be the timing chain tensioner bolt getting loose? I wouldn't expect timing chain failure especially if the chain was done a year ago but the noise is worrying me. It's currently 143 stock. I have all the supporting mods for stage 2 - egr,dpf delete, downpipe, backbox delete and also was given a 123d intercooler. What do you think, it's probably been mapped for dpf delete but not stage 1. Should I go ahead or am I risking engine failure with a map.
Assuming the car wasn't down on power from when you got it I (taking age and mileage into account along with previous owner care) can understand why 190bhp is a bit disappointing. Agreed another 10 or 15bhp would be where I would expect it to be.
Yeah I don’t expect the engine to be unhealthy, given the fact it has a brand new intake manifold, intake ports cleaned, EGR and DPF off, new intercooler pipe. I think I’m gonna do a bit more work just to eliminate any last things then take it to be mapped again, it only has an eco map on it.
Do a injectors correction check. If they are high I recommend to send them to an Bosch service for a check. Last week I had a 520d with same issue. Power loss and smoke. The car made 171 hp instead of 220 that the tuner said. 1 injector had 1-2 mmg correction in acceleration. I send all of pf them to a bosch service and they were in extremely good condition so I did a compression test an the results showed that in the cylinder with correction value the pressure was 26.6 bar and the other 3 cylinders were between 29-30 bar. I thounght that the piston rings for that particular cylinder are not in a good shape so I did a pressure leak test. I found that the pressure was escaping into exhaust.....the final result...one of the exhaust valve lifter was not working fine and the valve was not closing correctly( pressure escaped in exhaust during compression phase)
@@GeorgeAusters It is good that your car does not show any smoke... So the fuel and air are good. I think best option for you is to do a leaking test on the intake part. I saw one e91 184 hp which had no smoke at a stage 1 a bit aggresive, but only 207 hp. He changed all the intake orings (from the turbo to intake), clean the intercooler and with same tune the car achieved 216 hp.
Will you consider a new remap and letting the car get mapped and dyno'd with the Orginal ecu map ( egr and dpf off of course ) and then the remap that was made on the dyno. Just an idea. (That's also the way they remap here in Germany) If there is a problem in the boost system or where so ever on the E60, I'm certain you'll fix it. God bless, good Sunday and don't let this drag you down mate.
A bit confused. Doesn't the dyno give you power at the wheels but the normal quoted power for an engine is at the flywheel? So if this is the case then 190hp is not that bad?
@@KhanNakash Usually the dyno apply this ~15% for you though. They divide your torque output by ~0.85 to get an estimate for power at the crank. So the figures they give you already account for the drivetrain losses
On my 120d N47 I used a Celtic tuning map, which claimed to give 235bhp. Whilst I very much doubt that was accurate, it certainly felt a good honest 220bhp on the bum dyno. (It was faster than my previous Seat leon 2.0 TFsi FR with 200bhp). I hope you find out the cause of your issues but my money is on the map.
@@GeorgeAusters Cheers for the deep clean just watched your 330i deep clean vid. I was under the impression if your remove the dpf it will fail the emissions test?
How much millage has yours done? Just bought a cheap E61 520d its done 190k so timing chain done fairly soon! Dunno if im brave enough after fitting a timing chain to push it for a bit more power!
Hi, i have a bmw 645i 2004. Its come up with a driver transmission light. Taken it everywhere nobody knows whats to do. Any suggestions where i could take to fix issue
Interesting only 13bhp more than stock at new. I’m no expert but I’d look at the Eco map that’s on the car, could that be giving issues. Also I’m not sure if a boost leak alone would give that much of a loss, if it did it would be a major boost leak and very noticeable I’d imagine. Interesting to see what comes of this. All the best with it George, you’ll work it out 👍🏼
If you will take 20 120/320/520d with 177hp stock and measure you will see results between 165 and 175 hp max. Same situation with 184 and 190 hp versions. My e92 320d 177 at 122 000 km had 169 hp and 368nm stock. With a stage 1 safe (no agressive fueling and boost max at 2.8 bar, dpf has ff, egr off) achieved 204 hp and 465 nm. I tried also on that config an agressive approach and the results were 223 hp and 489 nm, but the egt was too high). All these were measured on a MAHA dyno and I was surprised that with 204 hp was faster than a friend 325i e92 218 hp....but when we measured that car we found that it produced 211 hp peak but with a power leak between 4000-5500rpm
@@robbieshaft Only for M cars. For the rest only aome of the petrol engines are underpower. Also, very good examples are the n57 35d engines which should have 313 hp and they are between 290-305hp. The same situation is also with m50d which has between 340hp and 360hp from the claimed 381hp.
If the timing chain snapped 😂 Good joke George mate on the N47, but well considering that you already have replaced everything that shouldn't be the case.
@@GeorgeAusters gaining 43 hp from an eco map seems optimistic to say the least. May well be perfectly healthy and remapper just over hyped power figures. Wouldn't be the first time
Without the dyno before and after it’s all guesses / hype. Now just a side note George a manual box is 12% loss roughly, so if he’s saying 220 and meant crank... almost lines up. 88% of 220 is what just under 195?
"Only" 190hp? I mean..... the car new declares 177 in optimal condition. Plus, youre overstressing engine, transmision and car in general. I dont understand these tune ups if youre not gonna race the car
noticed recently that your wearing your "ring" clothing, short`s boxing boots etc, are you getting ready for a rematch? and PLEASE don`t tell me it`s cos the weather`s got warmer, you can`t kid a kidder................🤨🤨🤨
I learned the trade 25 years ago ( but newer worked as mechanic) we didn't have fancy cars back then in post communist Poland, you wanted more power, you did overhaul and planned the head, then you'll fit bigger turbo, intercooler, nowdays people pay big money for ecu mod then they surprised that engine blows after few thousand miles. Btw 190bhp is plenty.
Was pleasure to meet you. Great car. If it was me ide do a smoke test on boost circuit to look for boost leaks. The Intercoolers have seals that perish on the hoses
One hose is brand new, will be replacing the other for new too👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters those hoses have the green clip in? Like snap fittings?
They have a green nitrile seal and a snap fitting clip yes
I've taken a few of my cars to you over the years I recommend you
@@Birmingham_racing appreciate that buddy
Having ongoing issues getting proper power out of my N47'd E61 520d as well so.. as always will continue to follow your videos and see what your troubleshooting process is. Fairly sure despite having fixed one massive boost leak (same as you had on yours that you covered in another video, with the pipe from the intercooler up to the throttle body!) I am sure I still have another.
I haven't actually experienced any power losses, it still seems to pull well but I will be doing a few things to make sure its running perfect
Simpleycheck:
-Faulty injectors (comes also with black smoke)
-Boostleak
-Aged HPFP
-Engine has wear internally (compression loss)
-Bad turbo
Also, any tunner should also measure your smoke. This is a relvant test to healtcheck your engine specially your injectors.
All the dynos measure HP differently. It is just like a bodyfat scale. You can easily estimate HP by looking at accel of the car stock and then start modding it. That wheel HP looked on the low side when guys in NA are putting 200 wheel HP on a stage 2 map N47. What map did you get? I would look at the map as an issue. Tuners sometimes will just adjust the fueling and nothing else. They will go into the map and just adjust the target values for fuel pressure. If you add boost pressure, you get an additional 5 percent gain on top of the 20 percent gain typically found with fueling. The issue is when you remove emission controls and don't have a way to properly tune those changes. A flash tuner will just guess what the effect will be (faster turbo spool) but not account for the additional fueling needed.
That is still not a bad power figure at all. Besides that, the car looks very good. The E60 BMW is a very pretty car.
Would have been nice to log the Dyno pull to check request vs actual boost. Then you would know more immediately. If actual is hitting target, wouldn't need to chase a boost leak that might not exist. If it were a leak find and fix (hopefully quickly) and throw it back on the dyno.
Exact same boat as you George. My 320d is only running at 147bhp. EGR blanked, dpf out, flaps gone, map and MAF replaced. No fault codes. Slight weep from intercooler connection to intake but mechanic reckons it's the turbo actuator or vanes.
Does it feel low on power?
@@GeorgeAusters a bit yeah. My da has the exact same car and his drives better. Going to go at the boost pipe next, failing that I'll have to try a reconditioned turbo. If that doesn't work then I'm at a loss 🤔
Sent mine in for an second opinion today and a smoke test. Garage have rang me to say that there's no boost leaks and that turbo and actuator are working perfect. Only thing I can think of now is that there's a 18d engine in there even though it's a 320d. In saying that mine had swirl flaps which if I'm right the 18d's don't ? At a complete loss now at this stage. Keep us updated on yours George.
@@12tof34 18d does not have swirl flaps
@@catalinmarculescu2866 Yeah garage said that it's definitely a 20d engine. Garage reckons my dpf hasn't being mapped out properly, said it seems like it's trying to do regents. Also recommended to me to do a hydro clean and see if it improves things.
I watch and like all your movies but I'm waiting for the 130i, also on the dyno
You could start by running some Mannol Diesel Injector cleaner through her or doing an injector clean by means of diesel purge. Not suggesting you'll find the 20 hp but you'll find some extra power. How easy is it to get to the turbo? A lot of people rave about Wynns Turbo Cleaner.
I am not a fan of injector cleaner. If you hace your injectors clogged and you use the cleaner you just treat the symptom, not the cause. They can be clogged with ther metallic particles from high pressure pump (CP4 has the habbit of wearing too much)... So you clean the injectors.. But in 10-15 000 km the problem will be back
228hp on mine +420nm or a bit more, 520d lci estate n47 2009 (no crap remap or 'chip'...done with multiple dyno runs)
After few years : blown turbo (210k km) and you can feel the gearbox needs some love. (Manual)
Next car: 330e or 530e 😉😉
Blown turbo is usually down to lack of oil changes and or not being properly cooled down
Nice Video George, keep up the good work/ I need to do the same for mine to check how much power it is making. I have the same N47 320D Engine
Dyno the 130i I’m thinking to do mine would be great to compare them
Hi George,
I have a 118d N47 looking to tune it.
My worry is the timing chain I had it done 1 year ago. However the rattle came back but it's quite quiet.
Could it be the timing chain tensioner bolt getting loose? I wouldn't expect timing chain failure especially if the chain was done a year ago but the noise is worrying me.
It's currently 143 stock. I have all the supporting mods for stage 2 - egr,dpf delete, downpipe, backbox delete and also was given a 123d intercooler.
What do you think, it's probably been mapped for dpf delete but not stage 1.
Should I go ahead or am I risking engine failure with a map.
Any ideas?
@@justtrynasurvive just have the timing chain checked if you haven't already. If you can recognize the noise thats probably it
@@nemanjamilojkovic630
I've now got a 330d :) N57 too 🤣
Assuming the car wasn't down on power from when you got it I (taking age and mileage into account along with previous owner care) can understand why 190bhp is a bit disappointing. Agreed another 10 or 15bhp would be where I would expect it to be.
Yeah I don’t expect the engine to be unhealthy, given the fact it has a brand new intake manifold, intake ports cleaned, EGR and DPF off, new intercooler pipe.
I think I’m gonna do a bit more work just to eliminate any last things then take it to be mapped again, it only has an eco map on it.
Yeah I know you done so much work on it so far. Interesting project.
Do a injectors correction check. If they are high I recommend to send them to an Bosch service for a check. Last week I had a 520d with same issue. Power loss and smoke. The car made 171 hp instead of 220 that the tuner said. 1 injector had 1-2 mmg correction in acceleration. I send all of pf them to a bosch service and they were in extremely good condition so I did a compression test an the results showed that in the cylinder with correction value the pressure was 26.6 bar and the other 3 cylinders were between 29-30 bar. I thounght that the piston rings for that particular cylinder are not in a good shape so I did a pressure leak test. I found that the pressure was escaping into exhaust.....the final result...one of the exhaust valve lifter was not working fine and the valve was not closing correctly( pressure escaped in exhaust during compression phase)
Interesting.. My car doesn't seem to have any power loss or black smoke though however
@@GeorgeAusters do you still have the dpf on?
@@catalinmarculescu2866 No
@@GeorgeAusters It is good that your car does not show any smoke... So the fuel and air are good. I think best option for you is to do a leaking test on the intake part. I saw one e91 184 hp which had no smoke at a stage 1 a bit aggresive, but only 207 hp. He changed all the intake orings (from the turbo to intake), clean the intercooler and with same tune the car achieved 216 hp.
Interesting, how did you prove pressure was leaking through exhaust valve and not the rings?
Will you consider a new remap and letting the car get mapped and dyno'd with the Orginal ecu map ( egr and dpf off of course ) and then the remap that was made on the dyno. Just an idea. (That's also the way they remap here in Germany)
If there is a problem in the boost system or where so ever on the E60,
I'm certain you'll fix it. God bless, good Sunday and don't let this drag you down mate.
Don't worry, we got this man!
A bit confused. Doesn't the dyno give you power at the wheels but the normal quoted power for an engine is at the flywheel? So if this is the case then 190hp is not that bad?
Wheel horse power and flywheel power is given
They usually apply an esitmated drivetrain loss to account for this. For RWD I believe it's in the region of 15%
@@CaptJofaz I was just going to say this, so your 190bhp should effectively be 218.5bhp. manufacturers only provide bhp at the crank.
@@KhanNakash Usually the dyno apply this ~15% for you though. They divide your torque output by ~0.85 to get an estimate for power at the crank. So the figures they give you already account for the drivetrain losses
Our dyno measures drag, so the losses are physically measured not guessed
Love your videos, plus your shorts 😂
On my 120d N47 I used a Celtic tuning map, which claimed to give 235bhp. Whilst I very much doubt that was accurate, it certainly felt a good honest 220bhp on the bum dyno. (It was faster than my previous Seat leon 2.0 TFsi FR with 200bhp). I hope you find out the cause of your issues but my money is on the map.
Yeah this doesn't feel slow by any means. I think it does have an eco map, rather than a power map though!
An eco map would certainly explain it.
I've got same engine on a 2012 F30 tempted to get an EGR delete but I don't want to do the whole DPF removal as i want it to pass the mot.
Mine passed MOT no issues
@@GeorgeAusters Cheers for the deep clean just watched your 330i deep clean vid. I was under the impression if your remove the dpf it will fail the emissions test?
Hi, I have a problem, do you know something about the 004933 fault in n47 engines? Thank you so much
Needs scanning with ISTA
How much millage has yours done? Just bought a cheap E61 520d its done 190k so timing chain done fairly soon! Dunno if im brave enough after fitting a timing chain to push it for a bit more power!
134k
hello guys! I'm thinking of doing a stage 1 on a 520d from 2009. is it bad for fuel consumption?
Not if done correctly
@@GeorgeAusters thanks!
Thumbs up for some kind of a diagnostic video if that would be sensible to make! Im suspecting that my N47 could be missing just a few ponies too :)
Great video mate.
Cheers mate👍🏻
U can ista air mass system test and find if it get all the air it needs. Make a video
Had to be the map id say.. cant see a boost leak or injector takin 20 bhp off... could be tho.
Very possible, loss of boost can literally take 50bhp off if it’s bad enough, especially on a diesel.
Can’t wait
Hi, i have a bmw 645i 2004. Its come up with a driver transmission light. Taken it everywhere nobody knows whats to do. Any suggestions where i could take to fix issue
Do you have a good BMW independent near?
My wife has a 320d 2018 32000 miles put some STP injector cleaner in the tank and it made it run much better.
May give some injector cleaner a go👍🏻
Try a tank of shell premium diesel first, it gives great cleaning results
Interesting only 13bhp more than stock at new. I’m no expert but I’d look at the Eco map that’s on the car, could that be giving issues. Also I’m not sure if a boost leak alone would give that much of a loss, if it did it would be a major boost leak and very noticeable I’d imagine. Interesting to see what comes of this. All the best with it George, you’ll work it out 👍🏼
Cheers Robbie!
If you will take 20 120/320/520d with 177hp stock and measure you will see results between 165 and 175 hp max. Same situation with 184 and 190 hp versions. My e92 320d 177 at 122 000 km had 169 hp and 368nm stock. With a stage 1 safe (no agressive fueling and boost max at 2.8 bar, dpf has ff, egr off) achieved 204 hp and 465 nm. I tried also on that config an agressive approach and the results were 223 hp and 489 nm, but the egt was too high). All these were measured on a MAHA dyno and I was surprised that with 204 hp was faster than a friend 325i e92 218 hp....but when we measured that car we found that it produced 211 hp peak but with a power leak between 4000-5500rpm
@@catalinmarculescu2866 I thought BMW underpowered their cars figures compared to real life?
@@robbieshaft Only for M cars. For the rest only aome of the petrol engines are underpower. Also, very good examples are the n57 35d engines which should have 313 hp and they are between 290-305hp. The same situation is also with m50d which has between 340hp and 360hp from the claimed 381hp.
Where is this? I'd love to take my 1 series there to see if its anywhere close to the 200 bhp.
CV116RT
Their links are in the description mate👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters appreciated
If the timing chain snapped 😂
Good joke George mate on the N47,
but well considering that you already have replaced everything that shouldn't be the case.
Haha!
all day long runingn n47 220-230 nhp easy no hassle.if u have auto evn better on drag....gearbox cxan be tune for sears power and shfit times
190bhp not bad power for an N47.
I’d say it’s the map, hard to guess from just a laptop
Could be, it DOES have an eco map, not a power map👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters gaining 43 hp from an eco map seems optimistic to say the least. May well be perfectly healthy and remapper just over hyped power figures. Wouldn't be the first time
Either him or I could have got mixed up with the figures to be honest
Without the dyno before and after it’s all guesses / hype.
Now just a side note George a manual box is 12% loss roughly, so if he’s saying 220 and meant crank... almost lines up. 88% of 220 is what just under 195?
How much power do the headlights remove from the engine?
Haha haven't a clue
Lol they're usually less than 100W each so 0.2kW in total. Which is less than 0.3bhp
@@CaptJofaz yeah but you have inneficiencies inside the alternator and also all the regulating electronics
@@KnaufL not enough to make a significant difference
@@CaptJofaz probably
Leerzame mooie video.s
You look like carl froch 🤣
I get it on a daily basis 😅
@@GeorgeAusters it's mad though 🤣
Ye man wow I thought you’d get at least 200
It does have an eco map so maybe I was confused with the figures
@@GeorgeAusters ye maybe pal
that was "unusual" for the guy who own`s the dyno to say that his dyno was "extremely" accurate...............😲😲😲
How tall are you George? You look really tall compared to the car.
6ft 4
So a giant then.
It's just old m8.
"Only" 190hp? I mean..... the car new declares 177 in optimal condition. Plus, youre overstressing engine, transmision and car in general. I dont understand these tune ups if youre not gonna race the car
This engine and gearbox came with 200 in other models with only software and turbo alterations
Dyno-mite
😂
Silly bugger my old 123d was only 204 hp
This was remapped
noticed recently that your wearing your "ring" clothing, short`s boxing boots etc, are you getting ready for a rematch? and PLEASE don`t tell me it`s cos the weather`s got warmer, you can`t kid a kidder................🤨🤨🤨
😂😂😂
you cant expect miracles mate on 13years engine you want more power you will need engine overhaul not egr delete and ecu map.
Won’t have lost that much power though, I think it’s because it’s on an eco map, not a power map
I learned the trade 25 years ago ( but newer worked as mechanic) we didn't have fancy cars back then in post communist Poland, you wanted more power, you did overhaul and planned the head, then you'll fit bigger turbo, intercooler, nowdays people pay big money for ecu mod then they surprised that engine blows after few thousand miles. Btw 190bhp is plenty.
That’s crap, I made 80bhp with just a remap of my Passat
Nice
@@GeorgeAusters dynod 225 stock and was meant to be 240 stock but made 304 and 460lbft, not bad for a 2ltr
@@michaelcrozier5178 your Passat made 304bhp?
@@robbieshaft yes, it’s a 2ltr bitdi, they are meant to be 240hp stock, made 304bhp after remap, with the 4motion and dsg hits 60mph in 5 seconds
Ffs
We're gonna get to the bottom of it man, don't worry!