Took two kids to different colleges both 600 miles from home. It is a cargo monster, never ran out. Drivability is solid, I know by avoiding reckless drivers on several occasions. We had the first year model, no issues but topped out at 25 mpg on the highway.
Compare to all minivan I will pick Honda odyssey always For long drive with family and luggage V6 is bonus I drive from San Francisco to Houston back and forth it’s really very smooth with average 25 gas Best Value for money
Have a 2014 touring. Fit, finish and reliability has been excellent. Didn't buy for cool looks, but practically as well as comfort is off the charts. Was surprised how well it handles and it's smooth ride quality. In other words, I'm very happy with the purchase.
Literally probably next year. Same model since 2018. The new generation pilot has been out 2 years and that's going to be the chassis that it's based on
We just got a 2025 EX-L in US and we love it. Full disclaimer, I hate to drive a minivan but the practicality it offers w kids and cargo is far superior to similarly priced SUV’s. And it actually gets up and goes when I hit the gas. V6 has some pep. I highly recommend it if space is the primary need.
I own a 2019 Odyssey. Great engine, great mileage for a v6. Good for my three young sons. My dislikes: rough shifts at 40km/h, manual rear gate doesn't raise very high, so I bump my head, and no AWD. My family's stuff will max out the payload when on vacation, and the design of the suspension doesn't seem to allow for helper air bags (unlike the earlier odyssey models). I will probably have to get a full sized SUV, when it's time, to replace it.
It would be interesting to see what the take rate would be here in the States. Both Toyota and Chrysler offer AWD but finding out what percentage are sold that way is not easy. For Canadians, it might be just the ticket. Supposedly the flat floor of the current Odyssey can't happen with AWD.
I priced a Pacifica Limited AWD model, and it was north 0f 72K CDN dollars. Nice vehicle, but I don't want to live in it, I just want to drive it. When you see that kind of price tag, you definitely start thinking of alternatives, Suburban, Yukon, etc.
12:09 at $77k CAD I would get a Suburban or Tahoe over a minivan. But, back in 2021 I was able to get a Pacifica PHEV at $49k USD out the door and it has treated us very well.
The push button transmission is the best option, despite what you say. It keeps the gear shift out of the way of drinks and other buttons. Odysseys are too expensive and Honda should have offered a hybrid powertrain years ago. Based on info from another car reviewer, Honda doesn't plan a hybrid Odyssey in favor of EV development.
Odyssey has an open airy front row, removable second row, and looks nice in my book. Coming from a mid-size truck I want more cabin room and better mpg. The Sienna looks horrible, and second row is not removable, and there are sketchy frontal crash ratings. Lastly, I don't trust Kia or Chrysler's engine and drive train which have poor reviews. Over my GMC Canyon, I would have a 1-2 mpg bump (meh), a lot more people space, and can still haul plywood or large items. But I agree with the reviewers, minivans are way too expensive. What I disagree with, is when you look at utility comparing to a full size SUV, minivans are much more practical and have more room.
52,000 to start.... will keep driving my 350,000 Km 8 seat V6 Sienna with onboard computer showing millage at 9.6 L/100Km for the last at least 100,000 Km that costed $35,000 to purchase 21 years ago (1,666 cost per year ownership & dropping) and wait for more options.
If you drive 15,000 miles a year the Sienna (35 mpg) will save you $1,600 a year in fuel over the Odyssey (22 mpg), over 10 years = $16,000. Siennas in our area are selling for MRSP, no mark up on factory orders.
I was just in Japan and I rented the Toyota Alphard because I had a lot of luggages. I love how this mini van blows away the Sienna. Why don’t we get luxury mini Vans like that here in the states and Canada?? I am baffled why we don’t get the nice cars that Japan got from Toyota and other brands?
So the second row still does not fold flat? (yeah, I know the seats can be removed, but they are very heavy, and it means you commit yourself to no second row seats for the entire trip).
@@tortangtalong1 Most SUVs have foldable flat second row, so apparently it is no problem to work around Chrysler's patents, so I don't think that was the reason. Honda probably thought their "magic sliding seats" will be a competitive advantage, and decided to sacrifice folding flat. While sideways sliding seats are a neat trick, I think fold-flat seats provide much more important functionality. Note that larger SUVs are eating minivans' lunch, and it is not just the looks.
I love our ‘19 Elite, but we are constantly having front suspension issues with it. It’s been fixed multiple times and always keeps coming back. I’ve really soured on Honda
My biggest mistake of owning a family car is that I didnt start with a minivan but rather I started in SUV. My 19 odyssey can carry a full size couch no problem. 😂 SUV can’t do that maybe even a fully size SUV. 😂 But now I want an SUV because my kids are big enough to hop inside a lifted SUV.
How is the reliability for this vehicle? It seems as if Honda has been using this setup for some time...the powertrain should be fine. Any issues we should worry about?
This current Odyssey is on a super old platform compared to the sienna and even the Pacifica. This current odfesey platform is not designed to accommodate a hybrid setup or all wheel drive, that's why they can't just throw a hybrid or AWD model together. That'll have to wait for the next generation.
Black-edition mini van he-he. The manufacturers are going crazy with their moniker's game. This van needs AWD and the seats must go flat otherwise the Pacifica wins which has both.
Minivans are Great! The Side Profile of the with the Lightening Bolt rear window is horrible. The Belt Line should be straight and level and not dip down. Minivans need to be truck like to be more acceptable to a large range of consumers. The Rear Hatch and taillights are dated and should wrap around. No 360 degree camera is a deal killer.
Well, it uses an antiquated V-6 with a timing belt instead of a modern chain (requires expensive service in the future), it brings warm memories of the past with its lousy fuel economy, it's competitive as it cost a lot too. Yes, with the extra cylinders (when they are working) it has good acceleration. I rate this car with 4 yawns out of 5.
It’s $20k less than Sienna inflated prices. I’m pretty sure the timing belt won’t be a big deal at 160,000kms lol. The V6 is not antiquated its best in class.
@@TheBMurda I agree, the Sienna prices are absolutely insane, and I admit that some of the older V-6 designs such as the GM 3.8 for Buicks in the 1990s can last well over 300,000 miles with routine service. But, in today's world where there is a shortage of automotive mechanics, which I've experienced profound delays in getting my Subaru serviced, I'm wondering how many Honda V-6 will actually get their timing belts changed when they should be. That service... which will cost more in the future, and more frequent oil changes to protect the engine from the stresses of cylinder deactivation, will be critical for longevity. I tend to keep my cars for well over 150,000 miles (240000kms), and I guess that I'm too lazy or frugal to change a timing belt or have an oil change every 5000kms. My dad owned a Honda V-6 engine in the 2000s that pinged on anything less than 91 octane and was not the most refined engine compared with other V-6's at the time. I don't think that Honda has really invested upgrades in this engine as they should.
@ You can permanently turn off VCM if it concerns you with very little effort. Also, this V6 has been replaced with a new low emissions certified design that goes from SOHC to DOHC in the 2023+ Honda Pilot that no longer has VTEC. Once this generation of Odyssey ends in 3 years this engine will be replaced by that and/or a hybrid system.
Wow, seems Acura could do the same with 2-nd row seats for MDX. I mean personal hand rest when middle seat is deleted😮 and maybe movable left/right seats🤔
I live in Pa and we had an Odyssey. I put blizzak tires on it and it was STILL absolutely dreadful in snow. A mild grade had it spinning tires in an inch of snow. We sold it. Never again. My G8 GT was better.
I just got upgraded from 2024 Odyssey EX to 2025 Odyssey Elite. It’s really nice for top level but It can’t play DVD kids want or from iPhone. That’s sad. It should lock from the outside while it running but it doesn’t have that’s system. And both sides should have sensor can open itself like back. That’s really sad too. Don’t get me wrong the rest of them are good
Why in the world add that ridiculous slot in the bumper. It is like the designers said we have to change something and that was the best they could come up with.
Hondas have started to look cheaper, with interiors that seem almost copy-pasted across models. It’s surprising, but Toyota has really outpaced Honda in terms of interior quality.
People will pay $73,000 Canada because you have to understand this thing gets 35 miles per gallon... What's the Tahoe get 15? Questionable reliability? Rear wheel drive bias in snow... Come on dude that's like comparing the price of a pickup truck to a sports car totally different animals. I have an odyssey I bought it for 31, 700 and so far I put $30,000 in gas in it and that's at 23.5.
Is Honda Crazy? ... These are supposed to be economical family haulers and with the bad reputation this 3.5L engine has had with burning oil because of their terrible VCM system that most people end up buying the Bypass kit for to prevent premature engine cylinder wear and oil burning and they want this kind of money? Honda needs their head shaken. RIDICULOUS! Anyone that buys this over priced Junk also needs a psyche evaluation. Even if you bought a crappy Dodge Caravan and spent on repairs you would still be ahead over this thing!
You do realize that all Minivans are expensive now. But the Odyssey is expensive because they stopped making the lower trims because the sell rate was too low. People complain that cars are getting expensive and want cheaper options but when those options are available they don’t buy them.
Old design, overpriced, noisy engine, small screen with old system, no hybrid, no AWD, no panoramic sunroof .... What on earth is Honda executives smoking?
Took two kids to different colleges both 600 miles from home. It is a cargo monster, never ran out. Drivability is solid, I know by avoiding reckless drivers on several occasions. We had the first year model, no issues but topped out at 25 mpg on the highway.
As new grandparents of twins this Honda might do the trick. Great video
God bless u and the twins ❤
Compare to all minivan I will pick Honda odyssey always
For long drive with family and luggage
V6 is bonus
I drive from San Francisco to Houston back and forth it’s really very smooth with average 25 gas
Best Value for money
Totally agree about the V6 - that engine sound is just amazing! You don't get that in modern minivans anymore
Yes you do, the Pacifica and the Kia Carnival have V-6
I think it’s ok because they are missing 4 wheel drive, hybrid, and need more speakers. But the price is ok. Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
Have a 2014 touring. Fit, finish and reliability has been excellent. Didn't buy for cool looks, but practically as well as comfort is off the charts. Was surprised how well it handles and it's smooth ride quality. In other words, I'm very happy with the purchase.
GEEEEEZ! WHEN WILL THE BODY GET A REFRESH? IT'S TIME, COME ON HONDA!
Literally probably next year. Same model since 2018. The new generation pilot has been out 2 years and that's going to be the chassis that it's based on
The 2017 previous model was more elegant than the actual model @@johnsteele8073
Magic slide continues to make this the best mini van!
We just got a 2025 EX-L in US and we love it. Full disclaimer, I hate to drive a minivan but the practicality it offers w kids and cargo is far superior to similarly priced SUV’s. And it actually gets up and goes when I hit the gas. V6 has some pep. I highly recommend it if space is the primary need.
I own a 2019 Odyssey. Great engine, great mileage for a v6. Good for my three young sons. My dislikes: rough shifts at 40km/h, manual rear gate doesn't raise very high, so I bump my head, and no AWD. My family's stuff will max out the payload when on vacation, and the design of the suspension doesn't seem to allow for helper air bags (unlike the earlier odyssey models). I will probably have to get a full sized SUV, when it's time, to replace it.
I think it’s due for a redesign. Throw in a hybrid engine and awd it’ll be competitive.
And even more expensive.
And much less “fun” than the v6
We are on our third Odyssey. LOVE it. Reliable and versatile!
That's why you're on your 3rd one?😅 right
@@nickr3441 LOL.
What Zach loves about the interior of his rides? His beautiful and elegant, Andrea!
Best handling minivan. Honda needs to bring back the cheaper EX trims. ❤
I agree I had a 2020 Lx it was 37000$. Prices are crazy.
there is Odyssey type R .
No 360 camera. They need this now, especially at this price point.
This Odyssey is old technology waiting on the chopping board.
360 cam overrated
The vehicle is too big if you have to rely on cameras to park.
Only thing missing from this offering is Awd. This would be the perfect choice for most families.
It would be interesting to see what the take rate would be here in the States. Both Toyota and Chrysler offer AWD but finding out what percentage are sold that way is not easy. For Canadians, it might be just the ticket. Supposedly the flat floor of the current Odyssey can't happen with AWD.
except for the price.
@@cbotten106they would have to redesign it. The spare tire is in the middle under the floor behind the first row.
I priced a Pacifica Limited AWD model, and it was north 0f 72K CDN dollars. Nice vehicle, but I don't want to live in it, I just want to drive it. When you see that kind of price tag, you definitely start thinking of alternatives, Suburban, Yukon, etc.
Odyssey is the 🐐
12:09 at $77k CAD I would get a Suburban or Tahoe over a minivan. But, back in 2021 I was able to get a Pacifica PHEV at $49k USD out the door and it has treated us very well.
The push button transmission is the best option, despite what you say. It keeps the gear shift out of the way of drinks and other buttons. Odysseys are too expensive and Honda should have offered a hybrid powertrain years ago. Based on info from another car reviewer, Honda doesn't plan a hybrid Odyssey in favor of EV development.
AWD, 360° camera and hybrid should be an option+ mighty exterior refresh
5:32 if you need a van, you need it!
Easy Andrea, Zack looks jittery hanging on there 😅
You are right all model new car prices are not affordable
I love my 2018 one still! Is awesome. But it needs AWD or hybird AWD to make it 100%%
Odyssey has an open airy front row, removable second row, and looks nice in my book. Coming from a mid-size truck I want more cabin room and better mpg. The Sienna looks horrible, and second row is not removable, and there are sketchy frontal crash ratings. Lastly, I don't trust Kia or Chrysler's engine and drive train which have poor reviews. Over my GMC Canyon, I would have a 1-2 mpg bump (meh), a lot more people space, and can still haul plywood or large items. But I agree with the reviewers, minivans are way too expensive. What I disagree with, is when you look at utility comparing to a full size SUV, minivans are much more practical and have more room.
Great content Guys !!, I just can't stop laughing, Thank You and have a wonderful day Guys. I'LL buy my own vacuum 😂.
If Honda doesn't offer V6 in the redesign, I will buy this
Great video...Honda resale is good. Seems like Zack had too much sugar today! 😂
Zack is holding on the HS (H*Ly *hit) handle pretty firmly.
Always
52,000 to start.... will keep driving my 350,000 Km 8 seat V6 Sienna with onboard computer showing millage at 9.6 L/100Km for the last at least 100,000 Km that costed $35,000 to purchase 21 years ago (1,666 cost per year ownership & dropping) and wait for more options.
the way that Lexus GX stole the moment
If you drive 15,000 miles a year the Sienna (35 mpg) will save you $1,600 a year in fuel over the Odyssey (22 mpg), over 10 years = $16,000.
Siennas in our area are selling for MRSP, no mark up on factory orders.
I was just in Japan and I rented the Toyota Alphard because I had a lot of luggages. I love how this mini van blows away the Sienna. Why don’t we get luxury mini Vans like that here in the states and Canada?? I am baffled why we don’t get the nice cars that Japan got from Toyota and other brands?
i always bought and love Odyssey since 1995, this bigger one since 1999
i find odyssey should get that pilot DOHC with 10 Speed
So the second row still does not fold flat? (yeah, I know the seats can be removed, but they are very heavy, and it means you commit yourself to no second row seats for the entire trip).
Dodge has patented the stow and go 2nd row seats. I know it sucks other brands could not use it.
@@tortangtalong1 Most SUVs have foldable flat second row, so apparently it is no problem to work around Chrysler's patents, so I don't think that was the reason. Honda probably thought their "magic sliding seats" will be a competitive advantage, and decided to sacrifice folding flat. While sideways sliding seats are a neat trick, I think fold-flat seats provide much more important functionality. Note that larger SUVs are eating minivans' lunch, and it is not just the looks.
@@mountainhobo yes, for these prices, might as well get a large awd suv.
Honda is on top but just waiting for the redesigning and refresh to buy one.
It's wishful thinking to imagine a future where we see a new Mazda 5. Minivans aren't so mini anymore either.
Not sure who called this a 'mini' van to begin with and we're stuck with the name !!! I agree the Mazda 5 was quite nimble and named accordingly.
Car so good it can whitstand a 2 near immortal superhumans fighting inside
“The Honda odyssey fucks hard”
I love our ‘19 Elite, but we are constantly having front suspension issues with it. It’s been fixed multiple times and always keeps coming back. I’ve really soured on Honda
My biggest mistake of owning a family car is that I didnt start with a minivan but rather I started in SUV. My 19 odyssey can carry a full size couch no problem. 😂 SUV can’t do that maybe even a fully size SUV. 😂 But now I want an SUV because my kids are big enough to hop inside a lifted SUV.
How is the reliability for this vehicle? It seems as if Honda has been using this setup for some time...the powertrain should be fine. Any issues we should worry about?
The Kia Carnival makes this model seem like it's from 2015
Korean cars are crapola.
Wish we could have the exterior of the Carnival and the engineering of the Odyssey.
EXACTLY, SAW ONE THE OTHER DAY, WOW THEY MAKE HYBRIDS ALSO
This one will be on the road in ten years, the Kia won't
@@davidjymHonda x Kia collaboration confirmed?
The last mini van we had was the Dodge Caravan with the notorious Mitsubishi engine, can you say timing chain failure.
I sold my 2012 odyssey because I didn't like how it handled in the winter.
I would go back if they added AWD for sure.
No hybrid, no all wheel drive, no buy!
Should have been a four wheel drive with hybrid electric motors at the back but they lost the chance.
This current Odyssey is on a super old platform compared to the sienna and even the Pacifica. This current odfesey platform is not designed to accommodate a hybrid setup or all wheel drive, that's why they can't just throw a hybrid or AWD model together. That'll have to wait for the next generation.
Black-edition mini van he-he. The manufacturers are going crazy with their moniker's game. This van needs AWD and the seats must go flat otherwise the Pacifica wins which has both.
It's also one of the most reliable vehicles on the road. A Suburban is sub par at best.
Are you guys planning to do a review of the updated 2025 Sienna?
That odyssey exterior looks so outdated same as 15 years ago same body lines I go with a sienna instead definitely hybrid all wheel drive 👍
Sienna MSRP 73K on a Van. Toyota Canada is really overpricing stuff.
Minivans are Great! The Side Profile of the with the Lightening Bolt rear window is horrible. The Belt Line should be straight and level and not dip down. Minivans need to be truck like to be more acceptable to a large range of consumers. The Rear Hatch and taillights are dated and should wrap around. No 360 degree camera is a deal killer.
Well, it uses an antiquated V-6 with a timing belt instead of a modern chain (requires expensive service in the future), it brings warm memories of the past with its lousy fuel economy, it's competitive as it cost a lot too. Yes, with the extra cylinders (when they are working) it has good acceleration. I rate this car with 4 yawns out of 5.
I think the cam belt service is $2,500 at 100,000 miles.
It’s $20k less than Sienna inflated prices. I’m pretty sure the timing belt won’t be a big deal at 160,000kms lol. The V6 is not antiquated its best in class.
@@TheBMurda I agree, the Sienna prices are absolutely insane, and I admit that some of the older V-6 designs such as the GM 3.8 for Buicks in the 1990s can last well over 300,000 miles with routine service. But, in today's world where there is a shortage of automotive mechanics, which I've experienced profound delays in getting my Subaru serviced, I'm wondering how many Honda V-6 will actually get their timing belts changed when they should be. That service... which will cost more in the future, and more frequent oil changes to protect the engine from the stresses of cylinder deactivation, will be critical for longevity. I tend to keep my cars for well over 150,000 miles (240000kms), and I guess that I'm too lazy or frugal to change a timing belt or have an oil change every 5000kms. My dad owned a Honda V-6 engine in the 2000s that pinged on anything less than 91 octane and was not the most refined engine compared with other V-6's at the time. I don't think that Honda has really invested upgrades in this engine as they should.
@ You can permanently turn off VCM if it concerns you with very little effort. Also, this V6 has been replaced with a new low emissions certified design that goes from SOHC to DOHC in the 2023+ Honda Pilot that no longer has VTEC. Once this generation of Odyssey ends in 3 years this engine will be replaced by that and/or a hybrid system.
Would this car work good in the Michigan winter? I want a sienna because of its AWD but the wait is so long.
It kicked in yo!
Wow, seems Acura could do the same with 2-nd row seats for MDX. I mean personal hand rest when middle seat is deleted😮 and maybe movable left/right seats🤔
The Odyssey has 4.5 in ground clearance, not 5.8 as stated in the video. It has the lowest clearance of all minivans available.
Everyone pissing about no AWD, be like everyone else and get a set a winter tires.
I live in Pa and we had an Odyssey. I put blizzak tires on it and it was STILL absolutely dreadful in snow. A mild grade had it spinning tires in an inch of snow. We sold it. Never again. My G8 GT was better.
Once you owned an AWD vehicle you'll never go back to 2WD.
@@davids1816just be an adult and admit you can't drive. Prides a sin!
i love vans
By the way on chinese market it has hybrid, 2.0liter atkinson engine and a bit different interior with sensor climate control.
unbelievable. what year is it? still no hybrid awd.
Still reeling from the Takata airbag debacle is Honda. Not a lot of funds to invest into the Odyssey.
It’s like 100 years old
would be great if it comes with shift stick
Seats should fold flat in the second row, or at least be flat when removed.
The Caravan was pretty clever in the folding seats department.
deadpool's choice of van
WOW THOSE PRICES the soccer mom must be rich
Thats the most 2014 front end ive seen
There's not much change since 2014 for the Odyssey.
Laate Maazda 😊
nice review, but odyssey looks old and no AWD...
a $73k van? is the vacuum a Dyson?
I just got upgraded from 2024 Odyssey EX to 2025 Odyssey Elite. It’s really nice for top level but It can’t play DVD kids want or from iPhone. That’s sad. It should lock from the outside while it running but it doesn’t have that’s system. And both sides should have sensor can open itself like back. That’s really sad too. Don’t get me wrong the rest of them are good
No 360 degree camera . Not Sr Citizen friendly. No dash board projection
Coincidence that the Odyssey drives by a HandyDart bus? :)
Why in the world add that ridiculous slot in the bumper. It is like the designers said we have to change something and that was the best they could come up with.
i had a van but i cant afford now
I like it but Sienna and Carnival much nicer. Not sure what they're thinking not refreshing the interior and small screen.
Deadpool Edition. Nice
No flat floor is a deal breaker for me, I would consider the Pilot for several reasons, flat floor and IVTM all wheel drive
It has a flat floor behind the second row and if you remove the second row seats that is also flat.
73000 thousand is a whole lot of depreciation driving it off the lot when time to trade in
Hate this design since it came out. They just refuse it make it as nice as the sienna
Hondas have started to look cheaper, with interiors that seem almost copy-pasted across models. It’s surprising, but Toyota has really outpaced Honda in terms of interior quality.
Not a fan of the ratchet armrest..need to update it like the Ridgeline
Can we get better rear vents for the rear facing seats!!! 😡
People will pay $73,000 Canada because you have to understand this thing gets 35 miles per gallon... What's the Tahoe get 15? Questionable reliability? Rear wheel drive bias in snow... Come on dude that's like comparing the price of a pickup truck to a sports car totally different animals. I have an odyssey I bought it for 31, 700 and so far I put $30,000 in gas in it and that's at 23.5.
Love it
I wouldn’t spend more than 50 for a minivan
Just really don't the VCM system and she is a gas eater like other Honda V6.
Bigger size of FIT
Jesus. That is ugly… even for a minivan…
Kia Carnival i think is the peak of ugly. This just looks boring
back is fine. the front is so outdated.
Hey Honda, this interior is from 1990s. Touch screen and the flow underneath is so ugly!! Get on with times!!
EV odyssey…I don’t think so. I rather have hybrid or gas engine. Peace of mind for long distance travel.
So it's a 2015 year design? Lmao
Is Honda Crazy? ... These are supposed to be economical family haulers and with the bad reputation this 3.5L engine has had with burning oil because of their terrible VCM system that most people end up buying the Bypass kit for to prevent premature engine cylinder wear and oil burning and they want this kind of money? Honda needs their head shaken. RIDICULOUS! Anyone that buys this over priced Junk also needs a psyche evaluation. Even if you bought a crappy Dodge Caravan and spent on repairs you would still be ahead over this thing!
Breathe. It’s ok.
You do realize that all Minivans are expensive now. But the Odyssey is expensive because they stopped making the lower trims because the sell rate was too low. People complain that cars are getting expensive and want cheaper options but when those options are available they don’t buy them.
Somehow these are still hard to get and have long waits.. what gives?
@@ChuckNorrizzed Artificial shortages = hard to get = people thinking that it must be popular. You got played son!
@@CedroCrontrue, this are not new companies which don’t have means to handle the demand. And BTW what is causing shortages now???
Old design, overpriced, noisy engine, small screen with old system, no hybrid, no AWD, no panoramic sunroof .... What on earth is Honda executives smoking?
They're just waiting to sell off all the Odysseys and that's it.
That price would make more sense if it wasn't quite as expensive
i want a van to look like a van. why do you want a van to look like every other boring SUV out there?
Nothing excited. Same boring look from 10 years ago. I loved what they did with the passport. But this, this is sad. KIA and Toyota made change.
It’s a great van but with every update they manage to make it uglier and uglier