Used to drink with him at the mayflower and yes he did walk the tracks to get home from the bar all the time. Anyway he told me the story more than once and it stayed the same. That's something because he was stinking drunk and people who drink like that will let the stories change in obvious ways and his story, no matter how drunk he was it stayed the same.
I heard so many cool stories about the shows and meeting them, at least there was a nice selection of tapes & albums back then and magazine interviews, I cut a page out for my Social Studies book cover for You Axed for it.
@kevindorn2508 he was kind , when he came to nyc around 1990 he got drunk with me and Barnicle Bill the sailor. They were both very kind people and they are both gone. Rest in peace my friends.
@@DuanTorruellasyep, I'm from Los Angeles back in the day , grew up in Hermosa beach , hung with the mentors back in 1981 to 92 when I was a youngster , hung out with GG a couple dozen times around the country, GG was cool . I just stopped off at GGs grave 3 months ago when I was bouncing around the north east after years .
@@JamesMccafferty-ci3xq I only heard the screaming from your mom wanting El Duce to Mas chorizo porpavoir pape 🥓 You sound like the typical American that can't desifer the truth . Are you a cop or a judge . Yo mama loves shock rock . You weak , weak spineless little boy . 🥓pork sword
Unfortunately he was not 'decent' at all.” During the video (here on YT) where he said he knew who Kurt's killer was, at one point you can clearly hear “Help us!” from some of the girls who were trapped and tortured near his house. Not so decent, huh?
EL Duce is still Alive! I saw years ago he had Tree service company in Reseda CA called "You Axed For it"... Sadly it went under and can't find any other info on this subject. He's done a good job hiding...
People need to dig into Kristen Pfaff's death! It all makes alot more sense when you realize kristen and Kurt were good friends, kurt was planning on leaving Courtney and meeting up with Kristen. But Kristen never left Seattle because she died, from an od after being clean for a period of time, with her moving truck packed in the parking lot! Courtney and eric, Courtneys lap dog of many years, paid Kristen a visit the night before , bringing drugs and ripping pages out of her dairy! Hmm wonder what those missing diary entries said? And what motive, money, did eric have to defend Courtney over his ex Kristen? Jealousy! Courtney abd eric felt betrayed by kurt and Kristen for sneaking around, and Courtney could easily convince eric to get involved.. a posy Kurt/kristen death interview of hole, caught Courtney saying to eric that he thrived off Courtney's arrogance, otherwise he wouldve left hole after his girlfriend (Kristen) died .. its all very shady, exactly Courtney style! And i was a huge hole fan growing up, not into nirvana much at all.. but all these years later i believe Courtney was involved, the Kristen story convinced me
You do such a good job with your content and editing. And when you speak you do a good job explaining the point and not making it about yourself. Glad I found your channel
Anytime someone says they seen the Mentors, I gotta hear everything, its nutty, funny, and over the top, I always thought The Mentors humor and parody went together better than most hard core/punk bands
While its not out of the realm of possibility that Courtney would have Kurt smoked,her getting El Duce to do it is ridiculous. The dumbest,most unreliable potential hit man ever.
You're giving Courtney a benefit of doubt because the guy is crazy? You do know courtneys an addict and isn't very bright. Hell cobain wrote holes biggest album live through this. She's a no talent whore that uses people.
Yes she got away with it for 30 years. That backyard video with el deuce is chilling as you can clearly hear a woman or girl’s voice yelling “Save us!!” In the background, to which he tries to cover with making a noise. He nicknamed himself the rape guy. Wears that mask. Don’t know why so many are making a hero out of him. If CL asked him to do this job, what kind of person is this?
Allen Wrench reminds me of the guy who was hawking CD's in the late 90's that purported to be audio of Diff'rent Strokes star Dana Plato "taking her final breaths". He was the guy that founded and ran the "Xpo Of The Xtreme". And I don't mean Wrench physically reminds me of him, I just mean they have that same sociopathic demeanor that is all about shamelessly exploiting deaths for $$$$.
He's the real murderer....him and at least 3 other ppl at the house knows what happened they were controlled and paid by Courtney....Dewitt got a job at Geffen right after Kurt passed. And he left the house not only the property the state a day before the body was found.
With all the celebrities getting the law coming for them for their past you would think they would open this case up again and put away Courtney and whoever else was in on it.
I met Allen when I worked at Guitar Center. Everyone said not to bring up the Kurt rumor. Needless to say he flipped the fuck out on me for bringing it up. On one of his albums he brags about it so I had to know if it was real. I don’t know if the man did it or not but I wouldn’t put it past a psycho with screw in devil horns to also be a murder
@@FourteenWords-n4l Michael Cali DeWitt saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993 there Einstein. why are you falsely accusing him of ending Kurt's life?
This is so fucking well put together, my dude. Nice work. Richard Lee, the real OG 🙌🏽 Eldon, ya shoulda known she was fucken serious, ya dumbass! 😭😭😭😭 Also, RIP Kristen Pfaff
how many restraining orders does psycho Richard Lee have taken out against him by now? Eldon Hoke's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids.
I believe El Duce. Kurt was going to take her out of his will and divorce her. Courtney was responsible. The cops sure closed the case fast. I'll wager there was a large donation made to that police department soon after the rocker's death. Heterosexuals have the right to rock!
Kristen Pfaff would talk to Kurt frequently and rumor had it that she was going to leave Hole, and he was going to leave Nirvana. Both dead. Her diary was tampered with, paged torn out from the dates after Kurt's to the day she died. Courtney was apparently a very jealous and controlling person.
are you seriously this gullible? Kurt didn't have a will and you can't disinherit your spouse in any US state. They weren't even separated let alone divorcing and El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids.
@@sarahwelty9223 when he was drunk at a bar polygraphed by a guy with a fake degree. El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids but hey, don't let the facts get in the way.
You must be so incredibly gullible and such an easy target. Hoke's guitarist literally admitted in his book that it was a publicity stunt dreamed up by the Rev Bud Green to draw attention and money to their shock rock project and they were laughing at the gullible buffoons who believed this. Kurt did not even have a will hence he died intestate (you can't disinherit your spouse without their written permission in Washington State anyway) and hadn't even separated from her. He told friends in the last few weeks of his life that he wanted his marriage to work and his last words about her were "I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy". The case wasn't closed fast. It was closed in May 1994, six weeks after Cobain's death and their investigation is public on the SPD Blotter.
Kill Allen loves this press lol. My band has opened up for Kill Allen Wrench few times . Great band wish they still played . The prince of punk died and band stopped playing. I believe
I don’t know how much he loved it. I worked at Guitar Center in Rancho years ago and asked Allen about it. He flipped out on me for bringing it up. The way he reacted to me makes me at least question if he might have actually done it. Dude was a bit of a psycho
@@g0stkid8_3 Whether or not Allen Wrench did it, the fact of the matter is is that he didn't possess the foresight to realize being such a cocksure loudmouth and attracting attention to yourself about something of this magnitude was going to become either A. very annoying or B. very troublesome/alarming. He's sleeping in a bed he's made for himself; interpret that however you please.
Wrench says "I will never be convicted of the murder of cobain" Wanna know WHY? CAUSE HE DIDN'T DO SHIT. It was CALI DEWITT that did it. Him and that ofher weirdo that was living with them. It was I am totally CONVINCED. Cali would be the only one that Kurt would let his guard down around........ Cali was a junkie and him and Kurt had a falling out. So I would say Courtney started supporting Cali's drug habbit and I would say that she made a deal with him that if he would help her that she would take care of him for the rest of his life. And when u are on heroin FRIENDSHIP doesn't mean a FUCKIN thing.. All that matters is "How am I gonna get my next fix" and in Cali's.case that would be Courtney. She used drugs to control ppl and get them to do her.bidding ALL THE DAMN TIME. IN FACT she has a LOOOONG history of getting ppl hooked just so she could do just that. Then u find she has ties with Epstein? Hmmm.
@@hangingon Courtney wanted her to leave Hole because she was fucking the other two band members and creating dramas while behaving condescendingly towards their music. Pfaff wanted to leave Hole also to go back to her old band. Nobody had any kind of argument about it. Pfaff was into Mark Lanegan and even came onto him at Cobain's funeral. She'd been into him for months. This "she was starting a relationship with Kurt" nonsense was started by a conspiracy theorist who originally tried to use Mia Zapata's and by gullible, fan fiction writing idiots who wanted Cobain to be in love with what they thought was a docile, delicate little virginal princess.
Occam's Razor, all this El Duce x Allen Wrench stuff makes for great clickbait but the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Kurt did off himself, most likely it was highly exacerbated by Courtney, but I still think he pulled the trigger on himself. Why hire someone when you can just treat someone like shit to push them over the edge is the question that comes to my mind with this situation.
Neither Hoke nor Allan Wrench had anything to do with Cobain's death; the latter did not kill Hoke. Hoke fabricated the story as an elaborate joke and propagated it to the tune of hundreds of dollars from tabloids eager to hear the controversial musicians story. Courtney Love was chosen as the target of his antics because she was rather unpopular within musician circles. Keeping in mind, Hoke throughout his life practiced meta humor, which is a style of humor that often leaves bystanders questioning the seriousness of such claims. This fictional story Hoke created was dubbed "his greatest joke" by a childhood friend. Hoke's death was almost certainly a direct result of his chronic alcoholism, he was likely blind drunk when he wandered onto the tracks; his death was witnessed by multiple people in cars at the train stop. If you doubt the validity of this, just file an FOIA request and get the publicly available Riverside PD police report. Although his death was accidental, the serendipitous timing of it further added a layer of mystique. In some ways, Hoke's unintentional death served to solidify his joke. Later, Allen Wrench would subtly claim responsibility for his death to further propagate the jokes legacy.
@@chesspunk489 Hoke's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids and his polygraph was conducted in a bar while he was drunk by a guy with a fake degree.
I kinda tend to believe that Courtney Love would pull some shit like that also how did a man who one of his most popular songs repeatedly said and I don't have a gun end up dead from a supposed self inflicted gun shot wound
Do a doc on Larry Lifeless from the band 'Upsidedown Cross'. He was fucking insane and gets a lot of comparisons to GG Allin. But again; way better music
This video should have been called 'Eldon Hoax'. :) If you listen to the scenario, it's totally fucking outlandish. Why the Hell would Love (whom I cannot stand) turn up IN A LIMOUSINE TO A PUBLIC PLACE (talk about unobtrusive!) to tell El Duce, a deranged RAGING ALCOHOLIC, she wanted him to kill her husband, then risk getting overheard by telling him IN THE SHOP about it? Then phone back looking for him again about having a "job to do", leaving even more of an evidence trail? I am laughing here. El Duce was one sick, funny fucking guy,
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It's all a big misunderstanding. What Courtney suggested was that Duce whacks him OFF, while she watches, probably. It's a fetish thing, has nothing to do with murdr. Just a choice of words that lent itself to being misinterpreted easily with a simple twist, that's all. (#WhackingOff, #GayForPay, #FunTimes)
I think Eddie Vedder killed Cobain because Pearl Jam sucked and at this time who fricken cares. Nothing will ever be proven. I'd like to think. Courtney was the villian. Who knows
If it was anyone other than his wife who inherited millions, it would've been Dave grohl, who also made millions after Kurt's death! Becoming the star instead of the guy behind the drums!
Having looked into this case & over many years, if you're asking me to put "2&2 together", around 1993-1994, Courtney Love was a woman scorned after persistent rumours that Kurt Kobain was not only having an affair with Kristen Pfaff, (bassist of C.Love's band Hole), but also the suspicion, there was also some kind of genuine love between the pair. I honestly believe this is what pushed Courtney Love to seriously consider murdering Kurt Kobain. I've also ALWAYS believed the "El Duce" story regarding how C.Love offered him money to kill Kurt Kobain. As mad as he was, you can just tell he's NOT making that story up off the top of his head!!! However & for whatever the reason(s), that plan never came to fruition. But despite ALL of the above, I sincerely believe that Kurt Kobain's death was suicide due to a combination of the pressure of being the front man/singer/songwriter of & at the time of, if not the biggest band in the world, then certainly, the most popular band in the world, which & his eyes, they were NEVER meant to be. It's well known that Kurt Kobain was deeply uncomfortable with the mainstream exposure & success Nivarna had generated and many people seem to forget that FACT, when looking into his life during this time & eventual tragic death. Double that FACT up with himself seeing no way out of a serious heroin addiction, NOW fuelled by the money from the band's (& in his head) unwelcome success......It ALL adds up to an obvious recipe for disaster. Anything else (& IMO) is just sensationalism because all those that were actually close to Kurt Kobain & during this time, or better put, his final as days have always said, he wasn't at peace with himself & was deeply unhappy. Please note: when I say "deeply unhappy", Kurt Kobain's close friend, Dylan Carlson and during Nick Broomfield's investigative documentary reveals that during Kurt Kobain's final days, he spent most of it, sleeping from "motel to motel room" around Seattle, shooting up heroin rather than living in the Seattle mansion all the riches & fame Nivarna had brought him. I genuinely do believe Kurt Kobain purposely went back to his mansion, for one last fix of heroin before he killing himself because & from most accounts given in that documentary, Kurt Kobain & towards the end of his life really was a deeply unhappy & complexed individual.
Naaa cobain was killed by Cali Dewitt and at least 3 other ppl were at the house were in on it including Macaulay caulkins sister who was a junkie. They were all controlled and paid off by Courtney..Dewitt got a job at Geffen right after Cobain died. And a day before the body was found. He not only left the property he left the state never to return. Nor did any of those ppl that were junkies , nanny's and friends of Courtney who saw the whole thing. And yeah Cobain was defly leaving Courtney and Kristin would of been his first choice to go with ....her death is jus as mysterious....once u see everything for what it is and the evidence I don't see how sucicide is even a possibility....the record label was in on it too ...him goin to rehab was jus a ploy to get him to stay with Courtney and continue touring with nirvana he wanted none of that anymore. He was the money machine for too many ppl....recardless of him being on drugs and depressed. The man would never have killed himself he loved his daughter too much. OD yes .... sucicide no that's where they fucked up. Cause it was impossible to even fire the gun . In his state with his shoes on and multiple ppl at the police station we're friends of Courtney....the whole thing was a pay off ....nobody decides to hire a electrician in a garage when your husband's missing .he was hired to find the body after it been there for nearly a week plain and simple .
Hoax? So you don’t think Courtney wrote the last part of the suicide note? I think that has to be accepted as fact, and without that last part it doesn’t come off as a suicide note but rather a note about how he wants to quit music.
"There’s good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don’t you just enjoy it? I don’t know! I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can’t stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I’ve become. I have it good, very good, and I’m grateful, but since the age of seven, I’ve become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess." He literally spells out why he's decided to kill himself. The entire note was written by him as confirmed by five handwriting experts and his mother.
Used to drink with him at the mayflower and yes he did walk the tracks to get home from the bar all the time. Anyway he told me the story more than once and it stayed the same. That's something because he was stinking drunk and people who drink like that will let the stories change in obvious ways and his story, no matter how drunk he was it stayed the same.
Lol I believe him
RIP the Duce
no you didnt
I heard so many cool stories about the shows and meeting them, at least there was a nice selection of tapes & albums back then and magazine interviews, I cut a page out for my Social Studies book cover for You Axed for it.
If this is true then essentially Kurt paid his own assassin because I’m damn sure Courtney didn’t have the money until she met Kurt.
I wouldnt want to be anywhere near GG Allin, but this Duce dude has kind eyes and seems like a decent fella.
@kevindorn2508 he was kind , when he came to nyc around 1990 he got drunk with me and Barnicle Bill the sailor. They were both very kind people and they are both gone. Rest in peace my friends.
@@DuanTorruellasyep, I'm from Los Angeles back in the day , grew up in Hermosa beach , hung with the mentors back in 1981 to 92 when I was a youngster , hung out with GG a couple dozen times around the country, GG was cool .
I just stopped off at GGs grave 3 months ago when I was bouncing around the north east after years .
Didn't you hear the girls shouting help us?🤬
@@JamesMccafferty-ci3xq I only heard the screaming from your mom wanting El Duce to Mas chorizo porpavoir pape 🥓
You sound like the typical American that can't desifer the truth . Are you a cop or a judge . Yo mama loves shock rock . You weak , weak spineless little boy . 🥓pork sword
Unfortunately he was not 'decent' at all.” During the video (here on YT) where he said he knew who Kurt's killer was, at one point you can clearly hear “Help us!” from some of the girls who were trapped and tortured near his house. Not so decent, huh?
EL Duce is still Alive! I saw years ago he had Tree service company in Reseda CA called "You Axed For it"... Sadly it went under and can't find any other info on this subject. He's done a good job hiding...
He became a clamper up here in Northern California I have ran into him a few times
Na man, he lives over here in Ushuaia. I hang out with him every Christmas.
I think he shined my shoes on the corner of 6th and Broadway, right by the paper boys stand
@@georgeshawiv6886 where you at clamper , I used to be on the Georgetown devide El Dorado County home of the ducafacation on marshal rd. Garden valley
People need to dig into Kristen Pfaff's death! It all makes alot more sense when you realize kristen and Kurt were good friends, kurt was planning on leaving Courtney and meeting up with Kristen. But Kristen never left Seattle because she died, from an od after being clean for a period of time, with her moving truck packed in the parking lot! Courtney and eric, Courtneys lap dog of many years, paid Kristen a visit the night before , bringing drugs and ripping pages out of her dairy! Hmm wonder what those missing diary entries said? And what motive, money, did eric have to defend Courtney over his ex Kristen? Jealousy! Courtney abd eric felt betrayed by kurt and Kristen for sneaking around, and Courtney could easily convince eric to get involved.. a posy Kurt/kristen death interview of hole, caught Courtney saying to eric that he thrived off Courtney's arrogance, otherwise he wouldve left hole after his girlfriend (Kristen) died .. its all very shady, exactly Courtney style! And i was a huge hole fan growing up, not into nirvana much at all.. but all these years later i believe Courtney was involved, the Kristen story convinced me
allan offed them both
You do such a good job with your content and editing. And when you speak you do a good job explaining the point and not making it about yourself. Glad I found your channel
Anytime someone says they seen the Mentors, I gotta hear everything, its nutty, funny, and over the top, I always thought The Mentors humor and parody went together better than most hard core/punk bands
While its not out of the realm of possibility that Courtney would have Kurt smoked,her getting El Duce to do it is ridiculous. The dumbest,most unreliable potential hit man ever.
Seriously. One of the most infamous fuck ups. There’s no way.
Yeah, definitely a junkies connection to get the job done. Courtney seems more pathological than smart
''The dumbest,most unreliable potential hit man ever'' What do you expect a hitman to be?
You're giving Courtney a benefit of doubt because the guy is crazy? You do know courtneys an addict and isn't very bright. Hell cobain wrote holes biggest album live through this. She's a no talent whore that uses people.
@@livinghere1972 A cold blooded,unflinching professional.
I loved watching the Wally George show on OC public television back in the 80s.
Yes she got away with it for 30 years.
That backyard video with el deuce is chilling as you can clearly hear a woman or girl’s voice yelling “Save us!!” In the background, to which he tries to cover with making a noise. He nicknamed himself the rape guy. Wears that mask. Don’t know why so many are making a hero out of him. If CL asked him to do this job, what kind of person is this?
El Duce was a national hero. A true blue real one. Fantastic drummer, and drunk. Died the way he lived.
Jonathan: On a railroad track with no head.
@@milascave2 it was Courtney love
El Duche. "WHERES the booze?!?!?"
Allen Wrench reminds me of the guy who was hawking CD's in the late 90's that purported to be audio of Diff'rent Strokes star Dana Plato "taking her final breaths". He was the guy that founded and ran the "Xpo Of The Xtreme". And I don't mean Wrench physically reminds me of him, I just mean they have that same sociopathic demeanor that is all about shamelessly exploiting deaths for $$$$.
Not enough attention is given to cali DeWitt
That little worm was there the whole time when Kurt came home.
Or Jeremy DeWitte for that matter
He's the real murderer....him and at least 3 other ppl at the house knows what happened they were controlled and paid by Courtney....Dewitt got a job at Geffen right after Kurt passed. And he left the house not only the property the state a day before the body was found.
...the Ghost of El Duce, Haunts My Dreams...😮 R.I.P. Kurdt 😎🖤
With all the celebrities getting the law coming for them for their past you would think they would open this case up again and put away Courtney and whoever else was in on it.
Not if Seattle police is still getting paid
Yeah, they ain't gonna be displaying their incompetency anytime soon.
It's sad that enough money will buy anyone.
@@Robert-vs4sm Doesnt even take a lot.
Richard Lee the first man to believe kurts death was an conspiracy.
Crazy that the dude who supposedly killed Cobain was named Wrench and Foo Fighters have a song called "Monkey Wrench" hmmmm hmmmm
Kurt would've hated foo fighters, piss water rock, NOTHING, that HE stood for 😂
dave grohl biggest sellout
I've always had a feeling that Dave might be involved. You can't arrest people on feelings though.
I met Allen when I worked at Guitar Center. Everyone said not to bring up the Kurt rumor. Needless to say he flipped the fuck out on me for bringing it up. On one of his albums he brags about it so I had to know if it was real.
I don’t know if the man did it or not but I wouldn’t put it past a psycho with screw in devil horns to also be a murder
Kurdt Nobrain
Duce was my friend
contact me
I can't believe his parents actually named him Allen Wrench LMAO
They didnt its a pseudonym he is a plumber by trade
I still think Wrench offed them both.
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I still think it’s all a lod of dung
I think you need to be on psych meds
no he did not.
No. If she was going to do it why would she approached either of these Maniacs LOL
It was Michael "Cali" DeWitt.
the guy who saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993?
Michael "Cali" DeWitt.
@@FourteenWords-n4l Michael Cali DeWitt saved Kurt's life in the summer of 1993 there Einstein. why are you falsely accusing him of ending Kurt's life?
Michael "Cali" DeWitt.
@@FourteenWords-n4l seek help
"Nirvana specialist"
Wonder if he had to go to college for that.
@@friendlyfirefighter4645 School of Rock, maaaan. With Jack Black. Who murdered Kurt Cobain.
Waiting on the last video on Fat Mike 🤘
This is so fucking well put together, my dude. Nice work.
Richard Lee, the real OG 🙌🏽
Eldon, ya shoulda known she was fucken serious, ya dumbass! 😭😭😭😭
Also, RIP Kristen Pfaff
how many restraining orders does psycho Richard Lee have taken out against him by now? Eldon Hoke's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids.
Allen wrench is a tool.
Im from Seattle. I was a real part of all of this. Saw Nirvana for 7$ in 1990 at 14 the 1st time. Then it was on a weeky
El duce was told who actually assassinated kurt and was shocked 😲 then weeks later he was whacked 😮
Allen Wrench. Totally his real name.
7:26 Nice, my comment is in your video, thx!
I believe El Duce. Kurt was going to take her out of his will and divorce her. Courtney was responsible. The cops sure closed the case fast. I'll wager there was a large donation made to that police department soon after the rocker's death. Heterosexuals have the right to rock!
Kristen Pfaff would talk to Kurt frequently and rumor had it that she was going to leave Hole, and he was going to leave Nirvana. Both dead. Her diary was tampered with, paged torn out from the dates after Kurt's to the day she died. Courtney was apparently a very jealous and controlling person.
El Duce passed a polygraph test when asked about the offer from CL to kill Kurt for 50K
are you seriously this gullible? Kurt didn't have a will and you can't disinherit your spouse in any US state. They weren't even separated let alone divorcing and El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids.
@@sarahwelty9223 when he was drunk at a bar polygraphed by a guy with a fake degree. El Duce's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids but hey, don't let the facts get in the way.
You must be so incredibly gullible and such an easy target.
Hoke's guitarist literally admitted in his book that it was a publicity stunt dreamed up by the Rev Bud Green to draw attention and money to their shock rock project and they were laughing at the gullible buffoons who believed this.
Kurt did not even have a will hence he died intestate (you can't disinherit your spouse without their written permission in Washington State anyway) and hadn't even separated from her. He told friends in the last few weeks of his life that he wanted his marriage to work and his last words about her were "I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy".
The case wasn't closed fast. It was closed in May 1994, six weeks after Cobain's death and their investigation is public on the SPD Blotter.
El Duce will kick your ass
Kill Allen loves this press lol. My band has opened up for Kill Allen Wrench few times . Great band wish they still played . The prince of punk died and band stopped playing. I believe
I don’t know how much he loved it. I worked at Guitar Center in Rancho years ago and asked Allen about it. He flipped out on me for bringing it up. The way he reacted to me makes me at least question if he might have actually done it. Dude was a bit of a psycho
@@g0stkid8_3 Whether or not Allen Wrench did it, the fact of the matter is is that he didn't possess the foresight to realize being such a cocksure loudmouth and attracting attention to yourself about something of this magnitude was going to become either A. very annoying or B. very troublesome/alarming. He's sleeping in a bed he's made for himself; interpret that however you please.
Is he still around? I saw a show in Riverside and talked to him for a bit. He said he was a plumber.
@@emersonshiff8132 Maybe that was his new incognito stage name. :)
I love my state .. Washingtonians are such lovely people
@@PipeSmokingLemur lmao they are a bunch of weirdo's
KAW were great..go listen if you haven't.
great videos btw
I thought Allem Wrench wasn't a person of interest. At least that's what Spyfox thinks. This case needs a Keefe D
Wrench says "I will never be convicted of the murder of cobain" Wanna know WHY? CAUSE HE DIDN'T DO SHIT. It was CALI DEWITT that did it. Him and that ofher weirdo that was living with them. It was I am totally CONVINCED. Cali would be the only one that Kurt would let his guard down around........ Cali was a junkie and him and Kurt had a falling out. So I would say Courtney started supporting Cali's drug habbit and I would say that she made a deal with him that if he would help her that she would take care of him for the rest of his life. And when u are on heroin FRIENDSHIP doesn't mean a FUCKIN thing.. All that matters is "How am I gonna get my next fix" and in Cali's.case that would be Courtney. She used drugs to control ppl and get them to do her.bidding ALL THE DAMN TIME. IN FACT she has a LOOOONG history of getting ppl hooked just so she could do just that. Then u find she has ties with Epstein? Hmmm.
Why do u think they killed off Kristen. 😒
She was leaving Hole & may have been starting a relationship with Kurt.
@@hangingon Courtney wanted her to leave Hole because she was fucking the other two band members and creating dramas while behaving condescendingly towards their music. Pfaff wanted to leave Hole also to go back to her old band. Nobody had any kind of argument about it.
Pfaff was into Mark Lanegan and even came onto him at Cobain's funeral. She'd been into him for months.
This "she was starting a relationship with Kurt" nonsense was started by a conspiracy theorist who originally tried to use Mia Zapata's and by gullible, fan fiction writing idiots who wanted Cobain to be in love with what they thought was a docile, delicate little virginal princess.
yes it’s blatantly obvious
Herve Villachaize did it.
Occam's Razor, all this El Duce x Allen Wrench stuff makes for great clickbait but the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Kurt did off himself, most likely it was highly exacerbated by Courtney, but I still think he pulled the trigger on himself. Why hire someone when you can just treat someone like shit to push them over the edge is the question that comes to my mind with this situation.
Neither Hoke nor Allan Wrench had anything to do with Cobain's death; the latter did not kill Hoke. Hoke fabricated the story as an elaborate joke and propagated it to the tune of hundreds of dollars from tabloids eager to hear the controversial musicians story. Courtney Love was chosen as the target of his antics because she was rather unpopular within musician circles. Keeping in mind, Hoke throughout his life practiced meta humor, which is a style of humor that often leaves bystanders questioning the seriousness of such claims. This fictional story Hoke created was dubbed "his greatest joke" by a childhood friend.
Hoke's death was almost certainly a direct result of his chronic alcoholism, he was likely blind drunk when he wandered onto the tracks; his death was witnessed by multiple people in cars at the train stop. If you doubt the validity of this, just file an FOIA request and get the publicly available Riverside PD police report.
Although his death was accidental, the serendipitous timing of it further added a layer of mystique. In some ways, Hoke's unintentional death served to solidify his joke. Later, Allen Wrench would subtly claim responsibility for his death to further propagate the jokes legacy.
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
@@chesspunk489 keep telling yourself Eldon Hoke's tall tales are true there buddy.
@@chestrockwell6807 Well he did pass a lie detector test done by one of the best guys in the business.
@@chesspunk489 Hoke's bandmates admitted he made up the entire story to sell to the tabloids and his polygraph was conducted in a bar while he was drunk by a guy with a fake degree.
you are a lying sack of human dung, el duce was killed by allen wrench
Good one.
Hahahahaha he said the heiroin is flowin like cheap turkish food 🤣
Has a x heroin addict of 20 years I found that hilarious 😆
I kinda tend to believe that Courtney Love would pull some shit like that also how did a man who one of his most popular songs repeatedly said and I don't have a gun end up dead from a supposed self inflicted gun shot wound
Do a doc on Larry Lifeless from the band 'Upsidedown Cross'. He was fucking insane and gets a lot of comparisons to GG Allin. But again; way better music
Alien? In the movie he said "Nathan."
This video should have been called 'Eldon Hoax'. :)
If you listen to the scenario, it's totally fucking outlandish. Why the Hell would Love (whom I cannot stand) turn up IN A LIMOUSINE TO A PUBLIC PLACE (talk about unobtrusive!) to tell El Duce, a deranged RAGING ALCOHOLIC, she wanted him to kill her husband, then risk getting overheard by telling him IN THE SHOP about it? Then phone back looking for him again about having a "job to do", leaving even more of an evidence trail? I am laughing here. El Duce was one sick, funny fucking guy,
Eldon Hoax is beautiful!
@@PunkTome Thanks. Laughing.
Ahhh, this is just how you get your sick kicks, letting people rip into your controversial comments. Purple monkey dishwasher, crab salad, lamb fur, hot dog water, car with cat fur and the answer is crocodile 🐊 😮😅
It’s no hoax baleee dat
aw contacted tome to set the record straight. or else
aw puts the international in international superstar
It's all a big misunderstanding.
What Courtney suggested was that Duce whacks him OFF, while she watches, probably.
It's a fetish thing, has nothing to do with murdr.
Just a choice of words that lent itself to being misinterpreted easily with a simple twist, that's all.
(#WhackingOff, #GayForPay, #FunTimes)
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Maybe duce but he didn't kill Kurt. Cali DeWitt and company killed kurt
I think Eddie Vedder killed Cobain because Pearl Jam sucked and at this time who fricken cares. Nothing will ever be proven. I'd like to think. Courtney was the villian. Who knows
If it was anyone other than his wife who inherited millions, it would've been Dave grohl, who also made millions after Kurt's death! Becoming the star instead of the guy behind the drums!
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of course he isn't gona get charged......because he didn't do it lol
Having looked into this case & over many years, if you're asking me to put "2&2 together", around 1993-1994, Courtney Love was a woman scorned after persistent rumours that Kurt Kobain was not only having an affair with Kristen Pfaff, (bassist of C.Love's band Hole), but also the suspicion, there was also some kind of genuine love between the pair. I honestly believe this is what pushed Courtney Love to seriously consider murdering Kurt Kobain. I've also ALWAYS believed the "El Duce" story regarding how C.Love offered him money to kill Kurt Kobain. As mad as he was, you can just tell he's NOT making that story up off the top of his head!!! However & for whatever the reason(s), that plan never came to fruition.
But despite ALL of the above, I sincerely believe that Kurt Kobain's death was suicide due to a combination of the pressure of being the front man/singer/songwriter of & at the time of, if not the biggest band in the world, then certainly, the most popular band in the world, which & his eyes, they were NEVER meant to be. It's well known that Kurt Kobain was deeply uncomfortable with the mainstream exposure & success Nivarna had generated and many people seem to forget that FACT, when looking into his life during this time & eventual tragic death. Double that FACT up with himself seeing no way out of a serious heroin addiction, NOW fuelled by the money from the band's (& in his head) unwelcome success......It ALL adds up to an obvious recipe for disaster. Anything else (& IMO) is just sensationalism because all those that were actually close to Kurt Kobain & during this time, or better put, his final as days have always said, he wasn't at peace with himself & was deeply unhappy.
Please note: when I say "deeply unhappy", Kurt Kobain's close friend, Dylan Carlson and during Nick Broomfield's investigative documentary reveals that during Kurt Kobain's final days, he spent most of it, sleeping from "motel to motel room" around Seattle, shooting up heroin rather than living in the Seattle mansion all the riches & fame Nivarna had brought him. I genuinely do believe Kurt Kobain purposely went back to his mansion, for one last fix of heroin before he killing himself because & from most accounts given in that documentary, Kurt Kobain & towards the end of his life really was a deeply unhappy & complexed individual.
Naaa cobain was killed by Cali Dewitt and at least 3 other ppl were at the house were in on it including Macaulay caulkins sister who was a junkie. They were all controlled and paid off by Courtney..Dewitt got a job at Geffen right after Cobain died. And a day before the body was found. He not only left the property he left the state never to return. Nor did any of those ppl that were junkies , nanny's and friends of Courtney who saw the whole thing. And yeah Cobain was defly leaving Courtney and Kristin would of been his first choice to go with ....her death is jus as mysterious....once u see everything for what it is and the evidence I don't see how sucicide is even a possibility....the record label was in on it too ...him goin to rehab was jus a ploy to get him to stay with Courtney and continue touring with nirvana he wanted none of that anymore. He was the money machine for too many ppl....recardless of him being on drugs and depressed. The man would never have killed himself he loved his daughter too much. OD yes .... sucicide no that's where they fucked up. Cause it was impossible to even fire the gun . In his state with his shoes on and multiple ppl at the police station we're friends of Courtney....the whole thing was a pay off ....nobody decides to hire a electrician in a garage when your husband's missing .he was hired to find the body after it been there for nearly a week plain and simple .
Norm Labow AKA Bud Green, he is the mind behind this, Eldon was an accident and Allan as he called himself used it as a way to a little fame.
Shouldn’t it be Il dulce 🫤
Drunk az usual.
Which hoax do you mean in your title of video is it the suicide or the murder conspiracy?
I was in sentinels when I heard duce died by a train accident...he got killed
So.eone pushed him .. si I was told 2 people came up after he died . .love and grohl
Fact: Allen Wrench was working with Gidget Gein. Who had been clean for some time. ODd and died.
Was not a hoax
Hoax? So you don’t think Courtney wrote the last part of the suicide note? I think that has to be accepted as fact, and without that last part it doesn’t come off as a suicide note but rather a note about how he wants to quit music.
"There’s good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don’t you just enjoy it? I don’t know!
I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what I used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can’t stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I’ve become.
I have it good, very good, and I’m grateful, but since the age of seven, I’ve become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess."
He literally spells out why he's decided to kill himself.
The entire note was written by him as confirmed by five handwriting experts and his mother.
Allen Wrench didn't kill anybody 😂
Why are you calling him a hoax?
because everything about him and everything he said was a hoax
Th8s is real. What makes it not? He passed a polygraph
With the money Courtney paid you to make this, please consider investing in the voiceover software you clearly need
This had two parts ? Lol
You people could not think yourselves out of a paper bag. He killed himself. Get over it.
Wrong
The dude is a cringy GG knock off.
If you're just saying this now and don't know about him he is absolutely not! The mentors rule