sorry I'm a little behind finding this channel and by just watching this video alone I have to say all the rabbit holes of the Murdoch tragedy unnecessary massacre of his family... this is the channel this is the discussion everyone absolutely one-hundred-percent needs to watch to understand what really went down.... you have found a superfan in me I wish I'd found you earlier two weeks ago but I'm here now and here to stay thank you for your tireless effort!
As a Southerner, I really doubted that you could understand how power operates in small Southern communities, but Dr. John actually got to the heart of it in his first few statements. I’m truly impressed with his insight into the psyche of powerful Southern dynasties.
I’m a South Carolinian of many generations and know some of the Murdaugh family but not well. This was a brilliant broadcast. I feel like I understand now and can at last make sense of this horrible family tragedy. So glad I stumbled upon your channel and look forward to supporting you and listening often. 😊
@@AHD2105 Nothing to do with 'money', its 'psychopathy', possibly partially drug induced. Just like with gun(s) people don't go out to kill people just because they own a gun(s). I've been around guns my entire life and never once though to take one of them and kill a person(s). Alex worked with a lot of other people who made good money but didn't go around using their money to control and manipulate people. We all have the opportunity to do harm to others. Guns, knives, baseball bats and so on are easy to be had here but the VAST majority of citizens don't misuse these items to injure or kill their fellow man. In NYC there are people who push their fellow New Yorkers onto the subway tracks ('3rd rail') but its not common either. Should we do away with subways, convert to riding horses, stop manufacturing knives and baseball bats ? And 'rise up' against what exactly ? Should we give away our money, throw it out, burn it ? Money is just a receipt for 'x number of hours worked'. Do you think that giving away what you've earned to a central person or committee, will end all corruption, theft and intimidation ? Money also causes 'competition',which is healthy and spurned on a country that is only several hundred years old to be one of the greatest (and I believe THE greatest) in world history. You have the right to say what you want or believe here so speak on, but if I were you, I'd maybe re-think the drivel you spout because it makes no sense. BTW, do you have a hatred for the USA, 'capitalism' or both ?
@@AHD2105 I’m also a South Carolinian and if you think that it’s only down south that these institutions and systems are corrupt and rigged, I’d encourage you to think again!
@@lindsayjwhite6352 So the whole country is corrupted. I'd believe that, especially when 1st world countries are tired of dealing with a violent and corrupt Whitehouse since Bush. Oh Except the last admin. He seemed to be more about getting enemy countries onside against China (and peace making as with Iran and Saudi). I guess elites wernt into him threatening their easy Chinese money deals. This leader is provoking wars for money instead. Now all ex alliances need to become independent, build new aliances and build our own nukes. Because this admin had never engaged any of the alliances in any moves he made. Which was a shocking. He is basically a totailarain making decisions off the top of his own (or its Xi) head for a whole country and affecting the whole world's stability. I think Xi has played the US at its own game, and bought this entire admin out along with Bigtech and major corporations. A Chinese run US, and who do you think China hate more than the Uyghur? 😬
This is so profound!!!! So many lightbulbs are going off for myself making so much sense as to my abusive childhood family dynamics!!!! I just can’t express deeply enough how much I am so grateful for this stream!!! Wow! Thank you!!!! I cut off ALL contact with my abusive family three years ago. I moved, changed all contact information and blocked them from all avenues. Healing is possible
@Monica Cordelia Horrors like this helps us be strong enough to leave, but also can trigger flashbacks, or activate "programmed recordings/responses" from our tormentors. My mom was the 2nd generation Narcissist, good at manipulating & "Sales", my mistake was running straight to another, to escape. But he was also a 2nd generation Narcissist. So my words of wisdom is find a person that believes your stories, I had therapists call me a liar & storyteller because they had lived such a charmed life, mine was inconceivable. Listen to the tape of Alex in Jail, nearly battering manipulation attempts on Buster, Every HUMAN must learn to recognize, and harden our personal armor and teach our children to understand, kind & gentle is only a weakness when the protective barriers of steel and other alloys have been dropped or destroyed. May none of us or humanity ever be touched by such evil again.
Thank you for discussing Hakeem Pinckney! The media at large discusses the Satterfield sons, which is more than enough to show AM’s moral bankruptcy, but what happened in the Pinckney situation further solidifies how this man was more than a crook. He’s a monster 😢
That he stole millions from his accident claim clients , and Pinckney being a paraplegic was beyond demonic. Not to mention stealing millions from his family. Alex carried heavy secrets during his son, Paul ‘s entire life. The kid didn’t stand a chance between his father’s criminal mind set and addiction .
@@IzzyMariel I’ve been following via podcasts since the summer of ‘21. I just feel mainstream media has focused on Gloria Satterfield and Mallory Beach. They should also talk about the Pinckney theft.
Dr. Matthias is on-point, insightful and very knowledgeable about this family's dynamics, while also being professional and even sympathetic to the impact all of this has on the younger generation Murdaughs. I can tell he knows more than he's saying and I give him credit for pausing to reflect before he speaks. He's a gem. I hope I can find more videos of him on this topic (signed... seriously obsessed with the fall of the Murdaugh Dynasty)
It’s such a shame that none of this comes into court because it’s like no one can believe how he could kill his son but he is so cold and sees people as objects it’s not a stretch to believe it.
@@charsiu_808 it’s her testimony not hearsay she could have been a witness as to his character. The jury would find it very relevant as it shows his true nature Watch it. It’s utterly believable and chilling. It’s unkind of you to rubbish her when you’ve not even seen the clip.
This is precisely why you two are the very best true crime duo. Of all the chatter about this case out there, this episode of HTC has been the most enlightening for me. I always appreciate Dr. Babe’s research and thoughtful insights.
Alex said he spent $40,000-$60,000 a week on prescription drugs on the street. That is somewhere between 1,300-2,000 pills a week. He’d be dead if he took that many. I think there is more to the story than we may ever know. I believe his grandfather or great grandfather was investigated for bootlegging in the low country. Such a powerful family, it seems they’ve gotten away with a lot because of their wealth. Also, for 100 years, there has been a Murdaugh in the solicitor’s office. So who would investigate or prosecute a Murdaugh….until now.
Of course that’s inflated. I would bet that’s the amount the forensic accountant could not account for ( the trail disappeared) and the defense wanted them to STOP digging so they claimed it was spent on drugs.
There is something else going on...i was addicted to pills never spent that much!! I didn't have to get them off the street I had a dr writing me scripts for all kinds of pills...there is another enterprise going on..thats too much money
Your explanation of this generational shame and dysfunction makes 1000% sense. This is the closing for the prosecution. Everyone has been in search of a motive. You have better explained this today than I have heard anywhere. I hope the Prosecution sees/hears this video. I believe that Alex is guilty but I fear he will not be found guilty. Everyone feels dirty in that court room.
I agree. Honestly, picking apart the financial crimes during trial was tedious and felt weak as a motive on its own. But when Waters mentioned the family legacy in his closing, I thought, “ah, now it makes more sense…”
stepping into crime is new for me. But you two offer such a different take & kind of dive deeper into every case, so grateful I found you both. Dr.John is a sensitive, deeply knowledgeable, eloquent thinker. We’re so blessed to have him. Lauren, you seem like the architect and creator of this channel, great show ❤
Just found your channel at 46:31 I'm subscribed ! Dr John is the only person covering these horrific crimes that went deeper into the psychological and generational reasons. Thank you for making this make sense.
Dr. John… the prosecution should have invited you to be an expert witness. This is the only thing that can explain how it was possible for Alex to murder his family so viciously. Amazing insight, thank you both !!!
Alex wanted to clear Paul’s name…or, did he want to clear Paul’s guilt and not be liable. Isn’t that why he murdered him…greed and power? Obviously he was a pathological liar and I think also a psychopath.
The examples of intergenerational family trauma outside of the Murdaugh family allowed me to feel that I have a firm understanding of how this creates dysfunction. Both Lauren and Dr. John get so deep into these concepts in every single episode, and I feel that I actually gain something by listening. I am going to become a member to support their work and all of the things that they generously share. Thanks so much.
This is wonderful. I wish I could tell you how much sense this makes to me. I've struggled with believing Alec could do this. Now I get it. And I should have seen it from the first because I understand generational shame and secrets all too well. And I do now have compassion for Paul. He didn't stand a chance in that family. 😪
Just a great show tonight. The most insightful discussion of this case I’ve heard. It explains the rage we see in the killing, if in fact Alec is guilty. With the boat crash and the exposure of his financial crimes, he was going to be exposed as a fraud himself, not the good guy many thought him to be and the person he needed to be seen as. He couldn’t bear that. Fascinating that in his corruption and rage he ends the dynasty.
This is a local jury. I’m sure they know the family history. Unfortunately, they could also possibly be intimidated by the family’s power…which they still have. That’s one of the reasons the investigation was so shoddy.
And the shame he feels now must be enormous! All his manipulations and underhandedness are being exposed not only to his community, but to the whole world!
It’s not over with his disgrace…We shall see-well not me-I’ll be dead and gone but maybe someone’s grandkids will run into some red headed potato lawyers in a few decades…
I think he saw he dynasty being ended by the 30 million dollar suit and criminal prosecution Paul brought on them with the boat crash. If he did do it,( and maybe he wouldn’t, but others in the family would) killing Paul ends that. Maggie may have been collateral damage, or maybe she got killed to inherit her property, to help pay for financial crimes that were already exposed. Also I heard ibexes Maggie didn’t want to sell some property Alex did, and maybe he doesn’t want it to get out of the “family”. Maybe Alex and Paul and Buster were rejected by the entire family, Alex is going down, paul was going to sink the whole family, Buster cheated and got kicked out of law school……. What if the rest of the family decided they all had to go…
I consider myself a Critic , with a capital C when it comes to you tube channels. You two , John Lauren Mathias are as good as it goes. I ahve so many thoughts but have no time to spare atm. Excellent ! Please keep doing what youre doing , we need you out here !
I know this trial is WELL over. I’m re-watching this whole playlist because I’m fascinated by this case. I also am fascinated with Dr. John (Dr. Babe). I wish you could be my personal teacher that I could listen to for hours and teach me a subject that I have been interested in for years and years. Your insight keeps my brain thinking deeper. Thanks for being an unknowing Mentor!! I was thinking… Paul is equivalent to Sirius Black.
I can not believe how much I learned in this short hour. Wow. I know a lot about the murdaugh trial and have listened to tons of podcasts on this case and I think completely differently about it now. Mind blown. Thank you for all your time researching for us!
There is so many layers, and dynamics to this story. This puts so much context to what was going on. I can see completely the dysfunction how this blew up the way it did. Thank you for sharing more background to this story.
Thank you for so eloquently, and respectfully (though I saw it was a little difficult) weaving together, and explaining, all the behaviors of this family in a way those of us who have intently watched this case since the murders have been unable to do. Tonight you wrapped it up, and placed the big red bow on the behaviors of this family for us.
This is the first time I have seen this channel and I'm so very glad I clicked to listen to this video. I've watched the trial live since Day 1. Everything I've seen and heard thus far, including some very bizarre behaviors and narratives by Alex, leads me to already conclude this man is hiding many, many secrets. The family history and dynamics of the Murdaugh family, has filled in the gaps for me to finally have an understanding of a very real motive for the murders. I think you are both great, and thankyou for all you are doing. Dr John, I wish you had been one of those expert witnesses for the prosecution, they need your knowledge and insights! New subscriber!🙂
That was absolutely the most insightful and informative discussion about the Murdoch family, I have read and watched a lot about this family and now I think I understand the dynamics of this tragedy thanks to Dr. Johns insights.
I found your channel a few weeks back looking for Murdaugh content that would go beyond scratching the surface. I love how you do a deep dive, and include the family system, along with shame and how the Murdaugh Dynasty was built on lies. If only Randolph the 3rd hadn't bailed AM out of every problem, one wonders if things would have gone differently.
Perfect----a train wreck. I hadn't heard this part of the story...as if this caper needed any more dimension. It is a tragic tale that you could not compose as a fiction. Thanks for your insightful commentary.
Thank you about describing Alex's tears. I just felt no emotion from them at all. I like to think I give people the benefit of the doubt but Alex's way he presents himself always made me feel uncomfortable or sometimes made me feel very angry. This helps me explain the feelings I get when watching him.
I too felt angered by what I considered his sorrowful act. I never saw Alex Murdaugh shed any actual tears. It seemed like he would smack his lips, work himself up to be red in the face with a runny nose to give the affect he thought was needed in the moment. I was also bothered by his excessive use of the "Mags" & "Paw-Paw" nicknames. That felt disingenuous. I questioned if his defense team thought that using the nicknames gave the impression that they were a tight knit family. Not a family that had dysfunction. I had also questioned whether or not the Murdaugh family had intergenerational issues with narcissistic personality disorder. I appreciate this podcast being one of the few that have explored the psychological background of the Murdaugh family. It's essential to understanding the motivation behind these tragic crimes.
Just excellent! I wish my mother and father were alive to hear this story. My family was very involved in CSX going back to the 20s and and probably knew of this SC scam law firm. How fascinating and hits close to home. I almost woke my husband to listen to this podcast. I will listen again tomorrow as we have both been glued to the Murdaugh case. Ironic that this story hits close to my family and the Kennedys (another “perfect” family of power) are also one that also that touched family. Talk about pageantry!! Thanks for all the research that makes this story go so much deeper for all of us.
The train story with CSX also intrigued me because our family had a business with the railroads too and CSX cars were used a lot. We were mostly eastern seaboard so def my dad and grandfather knew about this at some point.
Funny that you brought up the Kennedy's. I was just thinking of them tonight (comparing them to the Murdaughs) as how that nephew raped the young lady and got away with it, and the talk about how a Kennedy could get away with murder.
Thought provoking, interesting, deep and mindfully compassionate this episode exceeded my expectations. Thank you so much for providing such a wonderful example of how intellect and heart can work side by side. You are both wonderful!
I am so sad I didn’t receive a notification for the live! Truly OUTSTANDING work here! You managed to dig and find info that was not regurgitated from other channels! Thank you both for all the work you put in ❤
Yep…My same deductions…. Having been a long history…we have such an empathy for this current generation of this family…a strong human sense and sorrow for these victims of generational shame…I personally can’t help feeling sorrow for EVERY member including Alex... SO much loss, pain and sorrow…And sadly SO many other victims along this journeys trail… Thank you for your long hours of research to help us who are experiencing true sorrow just watching this case and NO affiliations personally can realize a better understanding of this case… Thank you
I noticed the case of the boat wreck in the news when it happened and I've followed the amazing developments ever since. I thought I'd heard just about everything about it all. Generational shame, the perfect family with sordid secrets, entrenched power through generations of litigation...I've just gotta say: Great work you two!
I'm so glad I found you Dr. John and Lauren - you have a new listener here. This was so fascinating and educational. I've been following the Murdaugh case for close to 2 years now, and the trial for the last few weeks. So many questions I've had about the psychology of the Murdaugh family have been answered here. Since the airing of this episode, Alex has taken the stand. I hope you have a chance to watch and that you'll do another episode to share your thoughts about his choice to take the stand and how he presented. I'll be in the front row :)
i came from a family w intergenerational shame. i had to be the cycle breaker. i went to therapy and talked about my feelings and my family's history. I was not seen in a good light after that by my family. but i feel much more in touch with my feelings and it's been liberating. who knew you'd hit on that with regard to this case? thanks for sharing the family history
I have watched this whole trial and lots of podcasts about it as well and haven’t seen one single tear come out of Alex. Sure, he has held his breath to make his face red and squinted, but no tears.
My point all this time, Being a SC native, I've tried to explain this, the level of denial these families are capable of while defending their own, would seem impossible to anyone who's never seen it. This family has never had this problem before, meaning this many eyes on them! Alex did this so he and his family could snatch the power back to control the narrative BEHIND CLOSED DOORS! I understand ppl don't get this, but alex may have known his goose was cooked However he had every reason to believe if he could make him self another victim, he could regain the control to have this entire thing handled between himself and his friends and no one else would care. That is EXACTLY how they have always gotten what they want. Consider what the female from the firm said, its a Brotherhood, and as long as he got the money back, they'd let it go, this was the first time this man was not able to shake off the media, but even in something this big. HE ALMOST Succeeded!!!!! And ppl do not understand that, if media had pushed and sled had not gotten involved ALEX AND HIS FAMILY would have been the leading investigation on this scene! With nothing more powerful than a local police officer to contend with! The motivation here isn't that the bad shame ect they could est re write the story of how he got this way, by painting him a victim of "The big bad opioid crisis" and vigilantes in the boT crash, they can re write their history!!!! By saying he is not a perfect man, but black bla black he's paid more than anyone should have to... pay attention to not what u know but what he believes!!!
My understanding of this family came from watching the video of Alex and Handsome going from one hospital room to another shifting blame onto injured people that they had previously claimed as friends.
Maybe "reminding" those people of some "facts", like he did with Blanca and Mashelly. He didn't do Paul any good by covering up his messes. He did him so bad that way.
I have been following this story for a couple of years, watched every day of the trial and followed coverage from the legal perspective on RUclips. I’ve watched this 3-part series in reverse order and feel like it gives such valuable insight to the question: “Why?” The coldness, denial, and all the other things that seem off about this family make a lot more sense now. Thank you Lauren & Dr. John.
You guys a great team. It is wonderful to have Lauren cover cases. Then to have John’s professional analysis is extremely interesting. I have followed true crime since the Manson murders as a teenager. Love your uniqueness. Thank you.
Kay Vallow Woodcock you and your family are in my prayers. I pray for Justice for JJ, Tylee, Charles, & Tammy! I have watched so much of this case I feel that I know you guys. May God be with each of you!
Buster was mini Alec while Paul was mini Maggie. Alec resented Maggie sufficiently to completely forget pretending to grieve her, and that came on top of Paul exposing the family manipulation of power and getting between Alec and his pills.
Omg I watch your podcast all the time and I feel you always have a good grasp of the Daybell case and others. However, I thought as Yankees, you will never get this southern case but Dr. John has a great diagnosis of the family. Probably the best I’ve heard yet. Too bad he wasn’t sought out as an expert witness on this generational shame.
Good one guys! Thank you!! I am psych graduate and love delving into the minds of challenging people. This is almost a classic case that you stated. 👍🏻
There was a long-form interview on a local SC channel (FITSNEWS) with a sex worker who was hired by Alex at a party. He was very friendly until they got into a bedroom, but then violent with her to the point of almost killing her. She later found out he had a history of this. I have a feeling when Paul assaulted his girlfriend he was just acting like his Dad.
The housekeeper for Alec and the sitter for his ailing mother both testified against Alec with critical info. It took such bravery because if he wasn't convicted or even with conviction there are safety concerns for them
I wish this was admissible because her testimony is chilling He is a violent and cruel man quite different from the loving family man that they keep talking about.
Great live tonight. I thoroughly enjoyed the uncovering of the myth of the Murdoch s. I have followed the Fitz News & the Murdock podcast since before Maggie & Paul were killed. It’s also great to be an injury law firm and have family & best friends who sell insurance policies. Hopefully the remaining Murdaugh family listen to your live tonight. It could truly help the remaining family members understand Alec ,for hiding his debt until into turned into years of stealing from Peter to Paul.
You guys add so much value looking at this generational trauma and shame angle, and the myth of the perfect family. No other podcast has deep dived into this background...top job!
I have listened to a lot of talking heads in this case. So many pieces of the puzzle. I love psychology and you helped to put the puzzle together. It all makes sense now.
This was Fabulous as usual but doctor John was really really on point. I love his philosophy and and just the pure knowledge and genius that goes into his research and work. Doctor John really is the best!!
I'm so glad you two are doing a show on this case. I've followed the trial all the way and still can't decide if AM killed his wife and son, either from an evidentiary viewpoint or from a psychological viewpoint. He seemed to really love them and they loved him. Being a liar and money thief doesn't mean he could massacre his wife and son. EDIT: I wrote the above before watching your show, and now the entire thing makes total sense to me!!! Thank you both so much! 💓
@@BurroGirl Evidence & his fake emotion that he seemed to be able to turn on & off like a switch didn't hold water for me. Though I think he definitely feels more real emotion for Paul than for his wife, Maggie!
Hi Dr. Babe and Lauren I watched your live last night and like always Dr. John you hit the ball out of the park” I think that’s how you word that cliche. Anyway you are both complete each other. I get so excited when I hear your explanations and insight how these people live their lives with so many dysfunction. I’ve been with you both since you started with all of the episodes on Lori Vallows family background. I say I get excited because the you describe it and through in quotes from Shakespeare and different Authors I JUST GET IT !! It’s so clear to me. I am fascinated with your knowledge and insight. Plus you and Lauren are very caring people in what you do to help victims. Always look forward to hear you both. Appreciate both of you.
I will return…This episode answered so many questions…I realize no one is perfect, no family is perfect, but dealing with failure is how we are able to grow in a healthy fashion!!!
Alex knew the lawsuit once Paul was dead would be dropped. But then a new law suit started and they froze his assets. Moselle is under contract right now for $3.9 million. They will have to give that to Mallory’s family. I really think he stripped down got the blood off him went to the house and showered then left with those cloths and guns and hid them at his parents place. He killed his wife because she was going to have financial records done and it would of showed they were broke. He asked them to be at Moselle. He lured them there. He planned this whole thing. You can also go on RUclips and watch Murdaugh Murders Podcast.
@@carolabell77 so do I you follow the evidence and there is enough evidence. I was on a jury a couple times and it was very interesting. We could take notes. Then just last year we had a shooting a couple blocks away from me. The guy shot two people and one died. My dogs started barking at 2:00 a.m. I looked out my window and underneath the street light I watched a guy throw a gun into the sewer. Got a very good look at him. I had police walking in my yard a few hours later. I told them to look in the sewer. Next thing I knew I had two detectives talking to me. Showed my a bunch of pictures and I picked him out. Then I had to testify against him. The guy will be in his 80 before he gets out.
I read that Maggie had gone to a divorce lawyer a month before. Also, I think Murdaugh killed them then hosed himself down and changed clothes at the dog kennel. The dog caretaker testified that he had seen puddles of water further down from the dog cages a few hours after having cleaned them. The water from those cages would've dried up. Possibly destroyed his clothes, maybe buried them or brought them to his parents' home to get rid of them.
This is definitely a podcast all watching/involved in this case should see! It gives depths of understanding to what we are seeing, well laid out! This whole case is an excellent source of study for all the issues you have mentioned! And well describes what I have been seeing from the beginning! Sharing knowledge & wisdom aids all who receive! I am seeing that the whole family, brother's, sister, etc all frequently gather around & rally the troops when 1 of them makes a booboo! Very much enabling further dysfunction! It isn't about supporting a loved one into healing & recovery but covering up crimes & sins! Very destructive for all involved! Shining a light does a great deal of good, darkness cannot hide!
Thank you for the deep dive into the core dynamic at play. Question: Why do Alex's outbursts seem to be written off by so many investigators and the public when Alex says, "It's so bad. I did him so bad"' to the cops after the murder AND on the 911 call, when he says, "I've been up to it now. It's bad." Also before the EMS answer when he says, "Why did you have to get involved, Paul?" It seems like his own incriminating words have been largely ignored. Is this collective shame or denial or how do you explain it? Thanks!!
@@bethanywhite877 Paul texted his dad that they needed to talk in Edisto Beach because Maggie found 2 bottles of Alex's illegal drugs in his work bag one month before the double homicide. People are assuming that Paul either found more drugs or found out other incriminating things about his father because Alex called him "the little detective" and Paul had been clearly getting involved in these discussions. There were also pics and other clues that seem to imply either A's infidelity or at least marital issues.
@@firefly-glow thank you for helping me with that. On that video Paul and Maggie didn’t sound afraid which is so sad. They had no idea what was coming. When I heard Paul say hi dad it shows he was there. I so wish we could find the guns. His crime looks like he knew nothing about investigators and what they would look for. He isn’t ignorant so this is so perplexing to me. Leaving the phones behind. Maggie’s phone was on when he threw it. I think this a very spontaneous decision to kill them and in his shock and trauma he couldn’t think and this why he messed up so bad. I don’t understand him leaving the phones behind when he was deleting things on his phone. He knows how that works.
Hi!! I was looking for someone to explain the generational portion of this family which digs deeper into who this family is and was. I am hooked and a new subscriber!! Thanks for a great broadcast. 👍🏻
John's comments on a family's myth sheds new light on the threat that Paul posed when he discovered Alex's addiction to pills. At face value one thinks "what's the big deal?"...but in this particular family's dynamic, it is a VERY big deal.
BOOM!!! 💥 Mic drop Dr John about the fake tears of AM!!!! 🎤 And Lauren... Great way to tie it up at the end 🎀 Great live as usual... Hope you cover this one again! Love it ❤️
I find it very hard to believe this was AM first violent outburst. Hitting and kicking and spitting on a woman? Wonder if Maggie didn’t endure some kind of physical abuse. Families can be very good at dismissing: stress at work or drunk crap. Great video!
Crime is generational in AM's family since great grandfather Buster. Getting caught was an inevitability. Just too bad it took so long and resulted in so much tragedy for so many.
I need to start taking notes from Dr John Mathis, Very Wise& knowledgeable... Lauren, Hope your Cough gets better🙏 Thank you to you Both, 🙏🙏You make a Great Team❤💞❤Hello from Australia 🇦🇺
Paul ultimately had embarrassed AM & the family image and myths. Maggie wanted out of the marriage /circus charade which further threaten AM’s deranged ego as this “perfect “couple. The impending “Boat Case” added further pressure plus the financial crimes were just the pilot light to ignite this massive explosion of double murder. Taking out Paul made one obvious problem go away in AM’s mind & whether Maggie was a necessary collateral damage or had to also be eliminated to cover his tracks, the demented rational is rooted in sociopathy & narcissism. It’s not a thought any healthy person could ever rationalize which is why AM thought he could get away with this heinous act.
How did AM’s law firm not catch on to the stealing for SO LONG? That is incomprehensible to me. I would not ever use that law firm or any of the senior partners.
I'll bet a few of them were in on it. It was probably just when it got out of control and they were personally affected that they suddenly were angry about it.
It's like the godfather effect. Paul had become a liability, the boat crash was yet another example of something to 'clean up'. Maggie was ready to settle, she wanted to start afresh. Alex is like the godfather who loves them but knows they are liabilities that need to be dealt with.
I feel like the actual culture of the low south as a whole--the inherent traits of displaying charm, friendliness and generosity--contributes to the mystery around these crimes. The Murdaughs had many who I view as very good, likeable, credible friends and family, many of whom were lawyers or in law enforcement, who are all stepping up now and portraying how Alex Murdaugh had them fooled for so long. Murdaughs have gushed so much charm and generosity that people wouldn't consider or suspect them capable of atrocious acts. Murdaughs even had themselves fooled--"we're so well-loved by our friends and family that we are beyond reproach."
I wish I had found your channel a long time ago. It's so informative, and that spark of humanity we are so desperately in need of these days. Thank you!
I agree that Paul and the accident and impending lawsuit were the final straws, however Buster being kicked out of law school for cheating could have contributed as well. And the fact that Alec was on drugs *all the time*.
Combined with his money laundering thefts were being uncovered at the same time! I don't think it was just the boating accident , but all of the above!
I'm suspicious about how Alec got in and out of rehab so fast with an alleged opioid addiction of 20 years. Celebrities do tend to go to "rehab" when they get in trouble, and then they get sympathy. Alec used people's sympathy to get the heat off him other times.
@@barbh1 I lost a brother to addiction and I agree with you. It's laughable that he kicked it in a few weeks. Plus, if Maggie and Paul were always searching for and taking his drugs....people have killed for less
@@cristineconnell7803 After all that power and control his entire life I imagine sitting there week in and week out being humiliated must be killing him...Good!!
Greeting ! What a Great professional program. So important to listen analysis about incredible murders . Every single word makes absolutely sense. God has mercy to such a family!
All they had to do was admit Paul was driving and it was an awful dui…let Paul take his lumps…but Alec could not do it…he wanted to get off free…delusional in my opinion. Alec brought his own family down by thinking he could avoid consequences for Paul’s behaviour.
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
Yes and we see this in Buster still trying to spill the narrative in the trial that he believed his brother Paul was innocent and not driving the boat. Buster is being a good ol boy, listening to daddy and protecting the family secrets. I honestly think AM thought he could murder and no one would question him due to the legacy and he'd buy time and maybe sell some properties. Let's not forget that right before the trial for Paul, the Mark Tinsley for the Mallory Beech case had a discussion with AM and stated if he influenced the outcome, he'd take Maggie and Paul and try it in another location. I believe this was also a day or two prior to the murders. AM may have been able to influence the outcome locally, but moved to another location, he'd literally have no power over it, and Mark Tinsley let him know he was willing to retry it elsewhere.
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sorry I'm a little behind finding this channel and by just watching this video alone I have to say all the rabbit holes of the Murdoch tragedy unnecessary massacre of his family... this is the channel this is the discussion everyone absolutely one-hundred-percent needs to watch to understand what really went down.... you have found a superfan in me I wish I'd found you earlier two weeks ago but I'm here now and here to stay thank you for your tireless effort!
Thank you Jerry! This means so much! We are glad you found us
As a Southerner, I really doubted that you could understand how power operates in small Southern communities, but Dr. John actually got to the heart of it in his first few statements.
I’m truly impressed with his insight into the psyche of powerful Southern dynasties.
I’m a South Carolinian of many generations and know some of the Murdaugh family but not well. This was a brilliant broadcast. I feel like I understand now and can at last make sense of this horrible family tragedy. So glad I stumbled upon your channel and look forward to supporting you and listening often. 😊
Wow, thank you Charles!
Ghastly system you are living in. Money rules and equals power. Be the first town in your county to rise up.
@@AHD2105 Nothing to do with 'money', its 'psychopathy', possibly partially drug induced. Just like with gun(s) people don't go out to kill people just because they own a gun(s). I've been around guns my entire life and never once though to take one of them and kill a person(s).
Alex worked with a lot of other people who made good money but didn't go around using their money to control and manipulate people. We all have the opportunity to do harm to others. Guns, knives, baseball bats and so on are easy to be had here but the VAST majority of citizens don't misuse these items to injure or kill their fellow man.
In NYC there are people who push their fellow New Yorkers onto the subway tracks ('3rd rail') but its not common either. Should we do away with subways, convert to riding horses, stop manufacturing knives and baseball bats ?
And 'rise up' against what exactly ? Should we give away our money, throw it out, burn it ? Money is just a receipt for 'x number of hours worked'. Do you think that giving away what you've earned to a central person or committee, will end all corruption, theft and intimidation ?
Money also causes 'competition',which is healthy and spurned on a country that is only several hundred years old to be one of the greatest (and I believe THE greatest) in world history.
You have the right to say what you want or believe here so speak on, but if I were you, I'd maybe re-think the drivel you spout because it makes no sense. BTW, do you have a hatred for the USA, 'capitalism' or both ?
@@AHD2105 I’m also a South Carolinian and if you think that it’s only down south that these institutions and systems are corrupt and rigged, I’d encourage you to think again!
@@lindsayjwhite6352 So the whole country is corrupted. I'd believe that, especially when 1st world countries are tired of dealing with a violent and corrupt Whitehouse since Bush. Oh Except the last admin. He seemed to be more about getting enemy countries onside against China (and peace making as with Iran and Saudi). I guess elites wernt into him threatening their easy Chinese money deals. This leader is provoking wars for money instead. Now all ex alliances need to become independent, build new aliances and build our own nukes. Because this admin had never engaged any of the alliances in any moves he made. Which was a shocking. He is basically a totailarain making decisions off the top of his own (or its Xi) head for a whole country and affecting the whole world's stability. I think Xi has played the US at its own game, and bought this entire admin out along with Bigtech and major corporations. A Chinese run US, and who do you think China hate more than the Uyghur? 😬
This is so profound!!!! So many lightbulbs are going off for myself making so much sense as to my abusive childhood family dynamics!!!! I just can’t express deeply enough how much I am so grateful for this stream!!! Wow! Thank you!!!! I cut off ALL contact with my abusive family three years ago. I moved, changed all contact information and blocked them from all avenues. Healing is possible
@Monica Cordelia Horrors like this helps us be strong enough to leave, but also can trigger flashbacks, or activate "programmed recordings/responses" from our tormentors. My mom was the 2nd generation Narcissist, good at manipulating & "Sales", my mistake was running straight to another, to escape. But he was also a 2nd generation Narcissist.
So my words of wisdom is find a person that believes your stories, I had therapists call me a liar & storyteller because they had lived such a charmed life, mine was inconceivable.
Listen to the tape of Alex in Jail, nearly battering manipulation attempts on Buster, Every HUMAN must learn to recognize, and harden our personal armor and teach our children to understand, kind & gentle is only a weakness when the protective barriers of steel and other alloys have been dropped or destroyed.
May none of us or humanity ever be touched by such evil again.
Good for you - you must be at peace now and calm - I blocked my immediate family it’s been 6 months not one word from anyone - SPEAKS VOLUMES
Thank you for discussing Hakeem Pinckney! The media at large discusses the Satterfield sons, which is more than enough to show AM’s moral bankruptcy, but what happened in the Pinckney situation further solidifies how this man was more than a crook. He’s a monster 😢
That he stole millions from his accident claim clients , and Pinckney being a paraplegic was beyond demonic. Not to mention stealing millions from his family. Alex carried heavy secrets during his son, Paul ‘s entire life. The kid didn’t stand a chance between his father’s criminal mind set and addiction .
you must have just started following the case because there are a multitude of stories out there about Hakeem and the rest of his victims.
@@IzzyMariel I’ve been following via podcasts since the summer of ‘21. I just feel mainstream media has focused on Gloria Satterfield and Mallory Beach. They should also talk about the Pinckney theft.
@@MrMann77 Why Hakeem over Arthur? Or over Randy? Or over Deon, Jordan, Mary, Christopher, Jamian or Thomas and on and on and on?
@@MrMann77 I totally agree!
"Shame is an unspoken epidemic, the secret behind many forms of broken behavior." - Brené Brown
Dr. Matthias is on-point, insightful and very knowledgeable about this family's dynamics, while also being professional and even sympathetic to the impact all of this has on the younger generation Murdaughs. I can tell he knows more than he's saying and I give him credit for pausing to reflect before he speaks. He's a gem. I hope I can find more videos of him on this topic (signed... seriously obsessed with the fall of the Murdaugh Dynasty)
It’s such a shame that none of this comes into court because it’s like no one can believe how he could kill his son but he is so cold and sees people as objects it’s not a stretch to believe it.
It's all hearsay and probably not even true..attention seeking people come out of the woodwork..
@@charsiu_808 it’s her testimony not hearsay she could have been a witness as to his character. The jury would find it very relevant as it shows his true nature
Watch it. It’s utterly believable and chilling. It’s unkind of you to rubbish her when you’ve not even seen the clip.
Great job you guys did a lot of detail. Thank you.
Maybe in the closing argument they will pull it all together like that
I agree
Absolute genius-level breakdown of this case and answers the “why’s” that so many are contemplating. I could listen for hours. Fascinating psychology.
I was taking notes! Then I realized I wasn't going to be graded!
Remember Maggie's sister saying AM said "the person who did the murders thought about it for a long time"!
Yes!
And also made no mention of looking for those guilty of the double murder. Would definitely be highly suspect to me!
This is precisely why you two are the very best true crime duo. Of all the chatter about this case out there, this episode of HTC has been the most enlightening for me. I always appreciate Dr. Babe’s research and thoughtful insights.
Alex said he spent $40,000-$60,000 a week on prescription drugs on the street. That is somewhere between 1,300-2,000 pills a week. He’d be dead if he took that many. I think there is more to the story than we may ever know. I believe his grandfather or great grandfather was investigated for bootlegging in the low country. Such a powerful family, it seems they’ve gotten away with a lot because of their wealth. Also, for 100 years, there has been a Murdaugh in the solicitor’s office. So who would investigate or prosecute a Murdaugh….until now.
Where the heck is the money bootleggers don’t do the crime for a hobby. How could he not have any money with all his criminal dealings? Where is it?
Of course that’s inflated. I would bet that’s the amount the forensic accountant could not account for ( the trail disappeared) and the defense wanted them to STOP digging so they claimed it was spent on drugs.
There is something else going on...i was addicted to pills never spent that much!! I didn't have to get them off the street I had a dr writing me scripts for all kinds of pills...there is another enterprise going on..thats too much money
@@Herewearenowentertainus the trail disappears bc THEY DONT WANT IT UNCOVERED
@@charsiu_808 it’s all about $$$ and power. It sounds like the family Ran the ENTIRE COUNTY!!
Your explanation of this generational shame and dysfunction makes 1000% sense. This is the closing for the prosecution. Everyone has been in search of a motive. You have better explained this today than I have heard anywhere. I hope the Prosecution sees/hears this video. I believe that Alex is guilty but I fear he will not be found guilty. Everyone feels dirty in that court room.
I agree. Honestly, picking apart the financial crimes during trial was tedious and felt weak as a motive on its own. But when Waters mentioned the family legacy in his closing, I thought, “ah, now it makes more sense…”
stepping into crime is new for me. But you two offer such a different take & kind of dive deeper into every case, so grateful I found you both. Dr.John is a sensitive, deeply knowledgeable, eloquent thinker. We’re so blessed to have him. Lauren, you seem like the architect and creator of this channel, great show ❤
Just found your channel at 46:31 I'm subscribed ! Dr John is the only person covering these horrific crimes that went deeper into the psychological and generational reasons. Thank you for making this make sense.
Thank you for subscribing! We are glad you found us. Welcome to our podcast and channel
Dr. John… the prosecution should have invited you to be an expert witness. This is the only thing that can explain how it was possible for Alex to murder his family so viciously. Amazing insight, thank you both !!!
Agreed. I’ve been watching the trial and the money crime motives doesn’t make as much sense as avoiding ego death
@@morganlafavers Yep agreed. I think his red face/tears/snot is frustration at powerlessness
Dr. John’s analysis is the only thing that makes sense to explain how AM could have murdered his wife and son. Kudos again.
Alex wanted to clear Paul’s name…or, did he want to clear Paul’s guilt and not be liable. Isn’t that why he murdered him…greed and power?
Obviously he was a pathological liar and I think also a psychopath.
Completely agreed🙏
The examples of intergenerational family trauma outside of the Murdaugh family allowed me to feel that I have a firm understanding of how this creates dysfunction. Both Lauren and Dr. John get so deep into these concepts in every single episode, and I feel that I actually gain something by listening. I am going to become a member to support their work and all of the things that they generously share. Thanks so much.
This is wonderful. I wish I could tell you how much sense this makes to me. I've struggled with believing Alec could do this. Now I get it. And I should have seen it from the first because I understand generational shame and secrets all too well. And I do now have compassion for Paul. He didn't stand a chance in that family. 😪
Just a great show tonight. The most insightful discussion of this case I’ve heard. It explains the rage we see in the killing, if in fact Alec is guilty. With the boat crash and the exposure of his financial crimes, he was going to be exposed as a fraud himself, not the good guy many thought him to be and the person he needed to be seen as. He couldn’t bear that. Fascinating that in his corruption and rage he ends the dynasty.
This is a local jury. I’m sure they know the family history. Unfortunately, they could also possibly be intimidated by the family’s power…which they still have. That’s one of the reasons the investigation was so shoddy.
And the shame he feels now must be enormous! All his manipulations and underhandedness are being exposed not only to his community, but to the whole world!
It’s not over with his disgrace…We shall see-well not me-I’ll be dead and gone but maybe someone’s grandkids will run into some red headed potato lawyers in a few decades…
I think he saw he dynasty being ended by the 30 million dollar suit and criminal prosecution Paul brought on them with the boat crash. If he did do it,( and maybe he wouldn’t, but others in the family would) killing Paul ends that.
Maggie may have been collateral damage, or maybe she got killed to inherit her property, to help pay for financial crimes that were already exposed. Also I heard ibexes Maggie didn’t want to sell some property Alex did, and maybe he doesn’t want it to get out of the “family”.
Maybe Alex and Paul and Buster were rejected by the entire family, Alex is going down, paul was going to sink the whole family, Buster cheated and got kicked out of law school……. What if the rest of the family decided they all had to go…
The image or facade is everything, when they lose that they crumble, or explode!
Dr John, I am impressed with your understanding of family trauma and disfunctional families.
I consider myself a Critic , with a capital C when it comes to you tube channels. You two , John Lauren Mathias are as good as it goes. I ahve so many thoughts but have no time to spare atm. Excellent ! Please keep doing what youre doing , we need you out here !
Wow, thank you!
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Very much agree..
I know this trial is WELL over. I’m re-watching this whole playlist because I’m fascinated by this case. I also am fascinated with Dr. John (Dr. Babe). I wish you could be my personal teacher that I could listen to for hours and teach me a subject that I have been interested in for years and years. Your insight keeps my brain thinking deeper. Thanks for being an unknowing Mentor!! I was thinking… Paul is equivalent to Sirius Black.
Berne Brown says shame is the most powerful master emotion. It’s the fear that we’re not good enough.
I can not believe how much I learned in this short hour. Wow. I know a lot about the murdaugh trial and have listened to tons of podcasts on this case and I think completely differently about it now. Mind blown. Thank you for all your time researching for us!
There is so many layers, and dynamics to this story. This puts so much context to what was going on. I can see completely the dysfunction how this blew up the way it did. Thank you for sharing more background to this story.
Glad to have found your channel. Thanks!
Thank you for so eloquently, and respectfully (though I saw it was a little difficult) weaving together, and explaining, all the behaviors of this family in a way those of us who have intently watched this case since the murders have been unable to do. Tonight you wrapped it up, and placed the big red bow on the behaviors of this family for us.
This is the first time I have seen this channel and I'm so very glad I clicked to listen to this video. I've watched the trial live since Day 1. Everything I've seen and heard thus far, including some very bizarre behaviors and narratives by Alex, leads me to already conclude this man is hiding many, many secrets. The family history and dynamics of the Murdaugh family, has filled in the gaps for me to finally have an understanding of a very real motive for the murders. I think you are both great, and thankyou for all you are doing. Dr John, I wish you had been one of those expert witnesses for the prosecution, they need your knowledge and insights! New subscriber!🙂
Wow, Dr John is rocking tonight. Amazing analysis. ❤️
Amazing episode. Dr. John , you never cease to amaze me with your intelligence! I wish the prosecution would hear this!!!!
That was absolutely the most insightful and informative discussion about the Murdoch family, I have read and watched a lot about this family and now I think I understand the dynamics of this tragedy thanks to Dr. Johns insights.
I found your channel a few weeks back looking for Murdaugh content that would go beyond scratching the surface. I love how you do a deep dive, and include the family system, along with shame and how the Murdaugh Dynasty was built on lies. If only Randolph the 3rd hadn't bailed AM out of every problem, one wonders if things would have gone differently.
Perfect----a train wreck. I hadn't heard this part of the story...as if this caper needed any more dimension. It is a tragic tale that you could not compose as a fiction.
Thanks for your insightful commentary.
And now the Murdaugh family is a train wreck.
Thank you about describing Alex's tears. I just felt no emotion from them at all. I like to think I give people the benefit of the doubt but Alex's way he presents himself always made me feel uncomfortable or sometimes made me feel very angry. This helps me explain the feelings I get when watching him.
I too felt angered by what I considered his sorrowful act. I never saw Alex Murdaugh shed any actual tears. It seemed like he would smack his lips, work himself up to be red in the face with a runny nose to give the affect he thought was needed in the moment.
I was also bothered by his excessive use of the "Mags" & "Paw-Paw" nicknames. That felt disingenuous. I questioned if his defense team thought that using the nicknames gave the impression that they were a tight knit family. Not a family that had dysfunction.
I had also questioned whether or not the Murdaugh family had intergenerational issues with narcissistic personality disorder. I appreciate this podcast being one of the few that have explored the psychological background of the Murdaugh family. It's essential to understanding the motivation behind these tragic crimes.
Just excellent! I wish my mother and father were alive to hear this story. My family was very involved in CSX going back to the 20s and and probably knew of this SC scam law firm. How fascinating and hits close to home. I almost woke my husband to listen to this podcast. I will listen again tomorrow as we have both been glued to the Murdaugh case. Ironic that this story hits close to my family and the Kennedys (another “perfect” family of power) are also one that also that touched family. Talk about pageantry!! Thanks for all the research that makes this story go so much deeper for all of us.
The train story with CSX also intrigued me because our family had a business with the railroads too and CSX cars were used a lot. We were mostly eastern seaboard so def my dad and grandfather knew about this at some point.
Funny that you brought up the Kennedy's. I was just thinking of them tonight (comparing them to the Murdaughs) as how that nephew raped the young lady and got away with it, and the talk about how a Kennedy could get away with murder.
Definitely I am from Massachusetts and when I hear about Murdaughs I think of the Kennedy too
Brilliant collab, thanks for all these info.Watching this after the sentencing and everything just makes sense now, WOW !
Thought provoking, interesting, deep and mindfully compassionate this episode exceeded my expectations. Thank you so much for providing such a wonderful example of how intellect and heart can work side by side. You are both wonderful!
Don't forget that Maggie Murdaugh spoke with a Charleston divorce lawyer 6 weeks before she and Paul were murdered....
This was excellent. Thank you. Greetings from Panama, Central America.
I am so sad I didn’t receive a notification for the live! Truly OUTSTANDING work here! You managed to dig and find info that was not regurgitated from other channels! Thank you both for all the work you put in ❤
Yep…My same deductions…. Having been a long history…we have such an empathy for this current generation of this family…a strong human sense and sorrow for these victims of generational shame…I personally can’t help feeling sorrow for EVERY member including Alex...
SO much loss, pain and sorrow…And sadly SO many other victims along this journeys trail… Thank you for your long hours of research to help us who are experiencing true sorrow just watching this case and NO affiliations personally can realize a better understanding of this case…
Thank you
I noticed the case of the boat wreck in the news when it happened and I've followed the amazing developments ever since. I thought I'd heard just about everything about it all. Generational shame, the perfect family with sordid secrets, entrenched power through generations of litigation...I've just gotta say: Great work you two!
I'm so glad I found you Dr. John and Lauren - you have a new listener here. This was so fascinating and educational. I've been following the Murdaugh case for close to 2 years now, and the trial for the last few weeks. So many questions I've had about the psychology of the Murdaugh family have been answered here. Since the airing of this episode, Alex has taken the stand. I hope you have a chance to watch and that you'll do another episode to share your thoughts about his choice to take the stand and how he presented. I'll be in the front row :)
After Dr. John said Mallory's family and Hakeem's family can tell you what Alex's tears mean. MIC DROP 🎤. Wow!!!!!
Oh my goodness. It all makes sense now. I just couldn’t understand the family dynamics until tonight. I’m just blown away. Thank you Dr John ❤
i came from a family w intergenerational shame. i had to be the cycle breaker. i went to therapy and talked about my feelings and my family's history. I was not seen in a good light after that by my family. but i feel much more in touch with my feelings and it's been liberating. who knew you'd hit on that with regard to this case? thanks for sharing the family history
My family was the same. I think they saw me as the black sheep, as I was never afraid to talk about that elephant in the room.
New subscriber from Australia. Thanks for your excellent, in depth non- sensationalised treatment of this case.
A very heartless family. Listen to the 911 call for Gloria. So rude & careless.
They would have been more upset if their pizza delivery was late than that poor old woman lying at the bottom of the stairs, dying
@@jayneanthony5652 You're so right!
Yeah! They are crazy for real! Regardless of what our culture celebrates, these people are animals!
Maggie was apathetic and then Paul gets on and sounds like a spoiled brat. He probably pushed her.
@@leonardemiletaylor6229 animals never act like that. These people are greedy and evil
This was so spot on!
This is the best description I have heard so far!!!
I have watched this whole trial and lots of podcasts about it as well and haven’t seen one single tear come out of Alex. Sure, he has held his breath to make his face red and squinted, but no tears.
My point all this time, Being a SC native, I've tried to explain this, the level of denial these families are capable of while defending their own, would seem impossible to anyone who's never seen it. This family has never had this problem before, meaning this many eyes on them! Alex did this so he and his family could snatch the power back to control the narrative BEHIND CLOSED DOORS! I understand ppl don't get this, but alex may have known his goose was cooked However he had every reason to believe if he could make him self another victim, he could regain the control to have this entire thing handled between himself and his friends and no one else would care. That is EXACTLY how they have always gotten what they want. Consider what the female from the firm said, its a Brotherhood, and as long as he got the money back, they'd let it go, this was the first time this man was not able to shake off the media, but even in something this big. HE ALMOST Succeeded!!!!! And ppl do not understand that, if media had pushed and sled had not gotten involved ALEX AND HIS FAMILY would have been the leading investigation on this scene! With nothing more powerful than a local police officer to contend with! The motivation here isn't that the bad shame ect they could est re write the story of how he got this way, by painting him a victim of "The big bad opioid crisis" and vigilantes in the boT crash, they can re write their history!!!! By saying he is not a perfect man, but black bla black he's paid more than anyone should have to... pay attention to not what u know but what he believes!!!
I think the feds should reopen some of their past court cases to see what happens 🧐. This ain’t the Murdaugh family’s first rodeo 🤨
Y’all always bring the heat. Great show once again. Thanks for all you both do!
My understanding of this family came from watching the video of Alex and Handsome going from one hospital room to another shifting blame onto injured people that they had previously claimed as friends.
Maybe "reminding" those people of some "facts", like he did with Blanca and Mashelly. He didn't do Paul any good by covering up his messes. He did him so bad that way.
Where can I watch that video ???
@@lindyhawthorne2164 HBO max has a 3 part documentary and that footage is in it.
@@blaineholland9506 thank you but I am in Australia so cant get that unfortunately.
@@cmlinehan Ive had a look but cant find anything about the hospital goings on.
I have been following this story for a couple of years, watched every day of the trial and followed coverage from the legal perspective on RUclips. I’ve watched this 3-part series in reverse order and feel like it gives such valuable insight to the question: “Why?” The coldness, denial, and all the other things that seem off about this family make a lot more sense now. Thank you Lauren & Dr. John.
You guys a great team. It is wonderful to have Lauren cover cases. Then to have John’s professional analysis is extremely interesting. I have followed true crime since the Manson murders as a teenager. Love your uniqueness. Thank you.
Kay Vallow Woodcock you and your family are in my prayers. I pray for Justice for JJ, Tylee, Charles, & Tammy! I have watched so much of this case I feel that I know you guys. May God be with each of you!
Buster was mini Alec while Paul was mini Maggie. Alec resented Maggie sufficiently to completely forget pretending to grieve her, and that came on top of Paul exposing the family manipulation of power and getting between Alec and his pills.
His name is ALEX
@@susiepingleton3614 Yes but they pronounce it Alec, so there is that. Lol
@@cristineconnell7803 Nope. His middle name is Alexander. Media gets it wrong then some say Alec! Unreal!
@@susiepingleton3614 His family & friend's call him Alec. Hense why now everyone else is! They also say Murdaugh as Mur dock!
@@susiepingleton3614 Cristine is correct!
Omg I watch your podcast all the time and I feel you always have a good grasp of the Daybell case and others. However, I thought as Yankees, you will never get this southern case but Dr. John has a great diagnosis of the family. Probably the best I’ve heard yet. Too bad he wasn’t sought out as an expert witness on this generational shame.
thank you! As “Yankees” - we are honored by your compliment.
Good one guys! Thank you!! I am psych graduate and love delving into the minds of challenging people. This is almost a classic case that you stated. 👍🏻
Great broadcast, thank you.
There was a long-form interview on a local SC channel (FITSNEWS) with a sex worker who was hired by Alex at a party. He was very friendly until they got into a bedroom, but then violent with her to the point of almost killing her. She later found out he had a history of this. I have a feeling when Paul assaulted his girlfriend he was just acting like his Dad.
It's a thought provoking video with the trafficked sex worker.
The housekeeper for Alec and the sitter for his ailing mother both testified against Alec with critical info. It took such bravery because if he wasn't convicted or even with conviction there are safety concerns for them
Link to story?
I wish this was admissible because her testimony is chilling
He is a violent and cruel man quite different from the loving family man that they keep talking about.
Oh wow, I hadn't heard anything about that yet, what happened? Is the gf alright, just wow.
The more I listen, the more I really learn about this family and others I know. Thank you both!!
Great live tonight. I thoroughly enjoyed the uncovering of the myth of the Murdoch s. I have followed the Fitz News & the Murdock podcast since before Maggie & Paul were killed. It’s also great to be an injury law firm and have family & best friends who sell insurance policies. Hopefully the remaining Murdaugh family listen to your live tonight. It could truly help the remaining family members understand Alec ,for hiding his debt until into turned into years of stealing from Peter to Paul.
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You guys add so much value looking at this generational trauma and shame angle, and the myth of the perfect family. No other podcast has deep dived into this background...top job!
I have listened to a lot of talking heads in this case. So many pieces of the puzzle. I love psychology and you helped to put the puzzle together. It all makes sense now.
I’m watching this on Alex’s first day of testimony and you nailed it. He alludes to his great grandfather being “killed”.
Excellent knowledge displayed here on the shame based toxic families.
This was Fabulous as usual but doctor John was really really on point. I love his philosophy and and just the pure knowledge and genius that goes into his research and work. Doctor John really is the best!!
I'm so glad you two are doing a show on this case. I've followed the trial all the way and still can't decide if AM killed his wife and son, either from an evidentiary viewpoint or from a psychological viewpoint. He seemed to really love them and they loved him. Being a liar and money thief doesn't mean he could massacre his wife and son.
EDIT: I wrote the above before watching your show, and now the entire thing makes total sense to me!!! Thank you both so much! 💓
It also doesn't mean he couldn't. Paul had a bad side, Timmy, who drank way too much and acted horribly
@@lindatexas5906 my opinion completely changed after watching this show. I can see the motive clearly now.
@@BurroGirl Evidence & his fake emotion that he seemed to be able to turn on & off like a switch didn't hold water for me. Though I think he definitely feels more real emotion for Paul than for his wife, Maggie!
@BurrowGirl you STILL can't decide???? 🤯
@@lindatexas5906 Someone on another RUclips channel suggested Alex has a classic personality of the sort of patriarch that commits familicide!
Hi Dr. Babe and Lauren I watched your live last night and like always Dr. John you hit the ball out of the park” I think that’s how you
word that cliche. Anyway you are both complete each other. I get so excited when I hear your explanations and insight how these people live their lives with so many dysfunction. I’ve been with you both since you started with all of the episodes on Lori Vallows family background. I say I get excited because the you describe it and through in quotes from Shakespeare and different Authors I JUST GET IT !! It’s so clear to me. I am fascinated with your knowledge and insight. Plus you and Lauren are very caring people in what you do to help victims.
Always look forward to hear you both.
Appreciate both of you.
This is a fantastic recap of the family from the beginning. Thank you for all of the research you had to do to bring this to us.
I will return…This episode answered so many questions…I realize no one is perfect, no family is perfect, but dealing with failure is how we are able to grow in a healthy fashion!!!
What an excellent summary of such a complex, twisted, long-running tale of corruption.
There are a lot of true crime content creators and your channel takes it to the next level. Love the unique perspective and research.
Alex knew the lawsuit once Paul was dead would be dropped. But then a new law suit started and they froze his assets. Moselle is under contract right now for $3.9 million. They will have to give that to Mallory’s family. I really think he stripped down got the blood off him went to the house and showered then left with those cloths and guns and hid them at his parents place. He killed his wife because she was going to have financial records done and it would of showed they were broke. He asked them to be at Moselle. He lured them there. He planned this whole thing. You can also go on RUclips and watch Murdaugh Murders Podcast.
Wish You were the jury foreman! Yes,. 🌴
@@carolabell77 so do I you follow the evidence and there is enough evidence. I was on a jury a couple times and it was very interesting. We could take notes. Then just last year we had a shooting a couple blocks away from me. The guy shot two people and one died. My dogs started barking at 2:00 a.m. I looked out my window and underneath the street light I watched a guy throw a gun into the sewer. Got a very good look at him. I had police walking in my yard a few hours later. I told them to look in the sewer. Next thing I knew I had two detectives talking to me. Showed my a bunch of pictures and I picked him out. Then I had to testify against him. The guy will be in his 80 before he gets out.
@@Jazz1959 Hi, You really have a special gift for seeing Truth!
@@carolabell77 Thank You! I always say the lies will catch up to you sooner or later.
I read that Maggie had gone to a divorce lawyer a month before. Also, I think Murdaugh killed them then hosed himself down and changed clothes at the dog kennel. The dog caretaker testified that he had seen puddles of water further down from the dog cages a few hours after having cleaned them. The water from those cages would've dried up. Possibly destroyed his clothes, maybe buried them or brought them to his parents' home to get rid of them.
This is definitely a podcast all watching/involved in this case should see! It gives depths of understanding to what we are seeing, well laid out! This whole case is an excellent source of study for all the issues you have mentioned! And well describes what I have been seeing from the beginning! Sharing knowledge & wisdom aids all who receive! I am seeing that the whole family, brother's, sister, etc all frequently gather around & rally the troops when 1 of them makes a booboo! Very much enabling further dysfunction! It isn't about supporting a loved one into healing & recovery but covering up crimes & sins! Very destructive for all involved! Shining a light does a great deal of good, darkness cannot hide!
Excellent show !! I’m a psychiatric nurse, and this was really fascinating!
Wow that was great insight!!!!!! 👏👏
Thank you for the deep dive into the core dynamic at play. Question: Why do Alex's outbursts seem to be written off by so many investigators and the public when Alex says, "It's so bad. I did him so bad"' to the cops after the murder AND on the 911 call, when he says, "I've been up to it now. It's bad." Also before the EMS answer when he says, "Why did you have to get involved, Paul?" It seems like his own incriminating words have been largely ignored. Is this collective shame or denial or how do you explain it? Thanks!!
I wonder if he meant the boat crash or being a "little detective" as Maggie referred to Paul.
Both
I’m missing a piece here. What was Paul getting involved in? Was he threatening his dad with something?
@@bethanywhite877 Paul texted his dad that they needed to talk in Edisto Beach because Maggie found 2 bottles of Alex's illegal drugs in his work bag one month before the double homicide. People are assuming that Paul either found more drugs or found out other incriminating things about his father because Alex called him "the little detective" and Paul had been clearly getting involved in these discussions. There were also pics and other clues that seem to imply either A's infidelity or at least marital issues.
@@firefly-glow thank you for helping me with that. On that video Paul and Maggie didn’t sound afraid which is so sad. They had no idea what was coming. When I heard Paul say hi dad it shows he was there. I so wish we could find the guns. His crime looks like he knew nothing about investigators and what they would look for. He isn’t ignorant so this is so perplexing to me. Leaving the phones behind. Maggie’s phone was on when he threw it. I think this a very spontaneous decision to kill them and in his shock and trauma he couldn’t think and this why he messed up so bad. I don’t understand him leaving the phones behind when he was deleting things on his phone. He knows how that works.
LOVED ❤ John's passionate answer to the 1:15 time-line question. Put John "on the spot" more often!!
Hi!! I was looking for someone to explain the generational portion of this family which digs deeper into who this family is and was. I am hooked and a new subscriber!! Thanks for a great broadcast. 👍🏻
Thank you for subscribing and welcome! Glad you found us
This is my lucky day for being able to find you two! Thank you for this rational, in- depth discussion.
Thank you. This presentation has been a gift to me.
John's comments on a family's myth sheds new light on the threat that Paul posed when he discovered Alex's addiction to pills. At face value one thinks "what's the big deal?"...but in this particular family's dynamic, it is a VERY big deal.
BOOM!!! 💥 Mic drop Dr John about the fake tears of AM!!!! 🎤 And Lauren... Great way to tie it up at the end 🎀 Great live as usual... Hope you cover this one again! Love it ❤️
I find it very hard to believe this was AM first violent outburst. Hitting and kicking and spitting on a woman? Wonder if Maggie didn’t endure some kind of physical abuse. Families can be very good at dismissing: stress at work or drunk crap. Great video!
You might want to listen to the Lindsay Edwards interview with Fit News.
@@EP-xu1yt wow😳. This poor woman. AM is a dark soul and jaded as it sounds, this doesn’t surprise me. Thank you for the suggested video. Eye opening.
Well they apparently shot every animal that dared move on their property…The animal lives were casual casualties…to these heartless men.
And, killed the hogs with knives. Disgusting.
@@EP-xu1yt disgusting and cruel. Dark souls imo.
First time. Great show. Really enjoyed.
Crime is generational in AM's family since great grandfather Buster. Getting caught was an inevitability. Just too bad it took so long and resulted in so much tragedy for so many.
I need to start taking notes from Dr John Mathis, Very Wise& knowledgeable... Lauren, Hope your Cough gets better🙏 Thank you to you Both, 🙏🙏You make a Great Team❤💞❤Hello from Australia 🇦🇺
Paul ultimately had embarrassed AM & the family image and myths. Maggie wanted out of the marriage /circus charade which further threaten AM’s deranged ego as this “perfect “couple.
The impending “Boat Case” added further pressure plus the financial crimes were just the pilot light to ignite this massive explosion of double murder.
Taking out Paul made one obvious problem go away in AM’s mind & whether Maggie was a necessary collateral damage or had to also be eliminated to cover his tracks, the demented rational is rooted in sociopathy & narcissism. It’s not a thought any healthy person could ever rationalize which is why AM thought he could get away with this heinous act.
Thankyou for going over the family history it really helps put into perspective the family dynamics. This helped me understand the current situation.
How did AM’s law firm not catch on to the stealing for SO LONG? That is incomprehensible to me. I would not ever use that law firm or any of the senior partners.
I'll bet a few of them were in on it. It was probably just when it got out of control and they were personally affected that they suddenly were angry about it.
@@flenzy Who knows. They all claim incense.
Loved Dr John’s contribution
It's like the godfather effect. Paul had become a liability, the boat crash was yet another example of something to 'clean up'. Maggie was ready to settle, she wanted to start afresh. Alex is like the godfather who loves them but knows they are liabilities that need to be dealt with.
Both of you are so intelligent, knowledgeable & well spoken! Ty!
I feel like the actual culture of the low south as a whole--the inherent traits of displaying charm, friendliness and generosity--contributes to the mystery around these crimes. The Murdaughs had many who I view as very good, likeable, credible friends and family, many of whom were lawyers or in law enforcement, who are all stepping up now and portraying how Alex Murdaugh had them fooled for so long. Murdaughs have gushed so much charm and generosity that people wouldn't consider or suspect them capable of atrocious acts. Murdaughs even had themselves fooled--"we're so well-loved by our friends and family that we are beyond reproach."
I wish I had found your channel a long time ago. It's so informative, and that spark of humanity we are so desperately in need of these days. Thank you!
I agree that Paul and the accident and impending lawsuit were the final straws, however Buster being kicked out of law school for cheating could have contributed as well. And the fact that Alec was on drugs *all the time*.
Combined with his money laundering thefts were being uncovered at the same time! I don't think it was just the boating accident , but all of the above!
I'm suspicious about how Alec got in and out of rehab so fast with an alleged opioid addiction of 20 years. Celebrities do tend to go to "rehab" when they get in trouble, and then they get sympathy. Alec used people's sympathy to get the heat off him other times.
@@barbh1 👍 Yes
@@barbh1 I lost a brother to addiction and I agree with you. It's laughable that he kicked it in a few weeks. Plus, if Maggie and Paul were always searching for and taking his drugs....people have killed for less
@@cristineconnell7803 After all that power and control his entire life I imagine sitting there week in and week out being humiliated must be killing him...Good!!
Greeting ! What a Great professional program. So important to listen analysis about incredible murders . Every single word makes absolutely sense. God has mercy to such a family!
All they had to do was admit Paul was driving and it was an awful dui…let Paul take his lumps…but Alec could not do it…he wanted to get off free…delusional in my opinion. Alec brought his own family down by thinking he could avoid consequences for Paul’s behaviour.
Alex had and still has a civil law suit against him and stands to pay 30.Million USD reimbursement to the Mallory Beach family!
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
He knew that the civil lawsuit would make him turn over all his financial documents.He couldn't let that happen, because his theft from his clients and other financial crimes would be exposed. So Paul became a liability he couldn't afford. Also, he wanted Maggie's beach house so he could sell it and she refused. She had other assets in her , an insurance policy that I read was increased to $12,000,000 before she died. A whole lot of motive for wanting them both gone. But, it didn't solve anything because the law office discovered what he had been up to and he was exposed anyway and allowed to resign but he lost his law license. His house of cards fell in on him. I sure hope the jury sees through him, he is slick!
Yes and we see this in Buster still trying to spill the narrative in the trial that he believed his brother Paul was innocent and not driving the boat. Buster is being a good ol boy, listening to daddy and protecting the family secrets. I honestly think AM thought he could murder and no one would question him due to the legacy and he'd buy time and maybe sell some properties. Let's not forget that right before the trial for Paul, the Mark Tinsley for the Mallory Beech case had a discussion with AM and stated if he influenced the outcome, he'd take Maggie and Paul and try it in another location. I believe this was also a day or two prior to the murders. AM may have been able to influence the outcome locally, but moved to another location, he'd literally have no power over it, and Mark Tinsley let him know he was willing to retry it elsewhere.