Great video WaxMode, you touched on a few items that I think are important to discuss further. The general consensus we have gathered amongst RUclipsrs is that tight water beading seems to be the great elixir (No pun intended) of determining a products efficacy in durability, chemical repellency and overall value. Although the results shown here of our own product are much less than what we have formulated (which we can debate as to why), our goal with our Ceramic Wax PRO product may explain the variance. When comparing products in the vacuum of a video, the most visual results inherently will become the spotlight while the secondary aspects take much less focus. It's extremely important, and potentially a point we have not communicated well enough as a brand to make clear exactly what each of our products do and what makes them unique or different than what is on the market. Our goal with Ceramic Wax PRO was to make a product that would outlast any of standard sealant or wax while being as easy or easier to install. For those who have used Fusso Coat compared to normal wax you will understand there is a very large variance in applications between "like" products. Some products just simply dont reward the installer for their efforts, something which goes against our philosophy. In terms of application, There is a sliding scale between performance and ease of use. The large portion of our market with Ceramic Wax PRO are consumers who dont have any detailing experience and are actually fairly intimidated by using car care products on their own vehicles. Many of us that are familiar with car detailing often forget that a large percentage of people out there have no real experience and are deathly afraid of causing irreversible damage to their vehicle. If there is a way to get these consumers feet wet, to get them to try a product that would give them very satisfactory results without being overwhelmed, then they will be even more apt to try more complicated processes. Water Sheeting Vs. Water beading. On opposite sides of the spectrum you can create a product with extremely high water beading properties with a high water contact angle that forms tight beads that sit on the surface and create a very neat visual effect, while not achieving much. On the other side of the spectrum you can develop a product with a lower water contact angle, but higher sliding angles while producing a surface that is slick enough to shed contaminants instead of holding onto them with their higher surface energies, which in part creates high water contact angles. Which is better? In a vacuum, If we were to hand a general consumer an extremely water repellant product that was quite difficult or stubborn to use, it wouldn't matter how well it performed they would just not use it. But, if we were to hand them a product that would be an order of magnitude better performance than what they have used, while being even easier to use and produce better results then they we will have succeeded. It is relatively easy to make a product perform well. What is hard to do is make a product that performs well WHILE being extremely easy to use in any situation. Building a system of products that work together and form a cohesive unit is a very effective way to ensure ongoing results as products weather over time. There are many benefits to having Ceramic Wax PRO as a base layer of protection with layering additional products in conjunction for added results. Much of your UV protection, filling abilities, gloss and longevity come from film build thickness which you get with a product like Ceramic Wax PRO, something most spray detailers on their own cannot achieve. Ceramic Wax PRO paired with our Ceramic Shampoo as a routine wash and topped with Ceramic Refresh every few months will produce results that will rival most consumer level products. Some customers are looking for a durable, easy wax application protectant and aren't looking for multi step process, which is great. The product will achieve what they're looking for. But for those looking for additional benefits this pairing opens up the opportunity to create a full turn key system with fantastic results and takes out any guess work. As our product line further develops and new technologies emerge we will continue to make products that are even easier and produce even better results than before. We will always push to formulate performance without compromising application.
Cheers Tim, thanks for stopping in and providing a great response! You bring up a lot of great points as well, trying to blend the perfect product that capitalizes on ease of use while delivering on protection amidst a competitive market, and stringent standards of users of all backgrounds and experiences, it's definitely not as simple as it looks especially when you have a constant influx of new companies and brands to compete against. Fusso Coat provides performance, but at the cost of a highly chemical smell that would drive headaches for some in a few seconds of use. Not the easiest to spread and remove, with a higher potential of streaks by not being able to wipe it clean. Perhaps not the best choice for beginners that don't have the experience to adjust application methods on the spot to avoid a mess. Even myself, the self-professed hydrophobic addict, I still have a hard time choosing something like Fusso Coat or Polymer Net Shield when I've spent hours and hours on paint correction. Products that give me that much better ease of use start becoming much more attractive after 6+ hours on the buffers. I've definitely got to get my hands on some of your maintenance toppers, would love to pair these up with Pro Ceramic Wax to showcase how that pairing works out when used together on a regular basis!
First, I commend you for taking the time and effort to participate in this ‘forum’. While it may be a vacuum of sorts, it’s the best a consumer can do short of being in Waxmode’s driveway. I appreciate the challenges of product formulation, and the market analysis that goes into it. My only thought as a knee-jerk response is that if the product is aimed at novice detailers, or as a gateway product...take the word PRO off of the name. My honest opinion is that ANYONE who is brave enough to maintain their own car....is already in a completely different social group than 95% of the largest group. They care enough to take care of their belongings. So if you aim products at them that are split by ability, I believe they’re going to be humble enough to grab the bottle that builds confidence with minimal risk, or, grab the ‘PRO’ bottle that looks you dead in the eye and warns you of the sleeves you need to roll-up. These consumers (myself included) are already sold. They just want to reward themselves in ways that align with their own goals and expectations. Not complaining about your products whatsoever. Just felt compelled to respond to a thoughtful post from the horse’s mouth. Thanks for reading.
You are absolutely right. The companies have a educational task to tell us about their products and what they are formulated for. How to use them and how to maintain them. Great vid.
Thanks Codriver, and this isn't necessarily directed specifically towards Ethos and Lithium, it's what I would like to see across the market in order for companies to more effectively differentiate their offerings. Let's bring a bit of the real science of the chemistry in order to capture the attention of more experienced users. Leveraging potential weakpoints of particular base layer protectants with maintenance toppers that can be used to quench a particular hydrophobic desire, or something that plays well on top of the properties of the base protectant.
@@WaxMode I am sure we are missing out on some really good properties just because we are focusing on hydrofobicity (not sure about my spelling since english is not my native language) and chemical resistance insome type av test on a panel. This is not a criticism of the tests that are preformed on youtube. My view is that I would like to se a broader view of the products. I am an amateur that find theese videos with comparisions between different products very interesting. But lately I have found myself looking for other properties than long term water beading. I wash my car quite often and I have no problem applying some topper or maintenance product often. I have started to look for slickness and glossy looks. I think the industry has to show their products strength. Oh, this was a loooong comment :)
I'm thinkin' Fusso won that round.......hands down! I do love me some Hydrophobicity! You just gave me some inspiration to go top up my Fusso coat on the daily driver with another coat of the good ole' FUSSO!!! For the money, Fusso really is hard to beat. Good prep is the key to Fusso along with applying as absolutely THIN a layer as you can possibly get onto that paint or you'll be havin' some real problems removing that stuff! Put Fusso on too thick and you might as well get out a sheet of sandpaper to try and remove it! Trust me, i've been there and made that headache of a mistake. GOOD PREP & THIN LAYER and when you remove and do your final buff you'll have one of the most durable sealant finishes on this planet with Fusso, along with one of the most hydrophobic for sure! Fusso is one of the absolute best for hydrophobicity and it LAST'S AND LAST'S through wash after wash. Fantastic product. WAX MODE or NO MODE!!!! Wax Mode is one of the best detailing product reviewers on RUclips!
I appreciate it Joe! You might be right on that sandpaper too, Fusso definitely has some abrasive resistance and it's interesting too because fluorine based sealants are generally recommended for skiers on their skis that end up getting physically hammered on a regular basis on rough snows. I need to do a lot more testing with Fusso, which I've been abrasive about because I don't have their updated formula which may be a bit watered down compared to my first version tin. Absolutely love Fusso's lasting hydrophobic performance, so satisfying to see in action.
Excellent review and analysis as always. I swear one of these companies need to contact you and hire you for their network, sports events, etc. Your commentary is second to none brother! 👍👍
This blower is still holding up perfectly, that Ridgid WD4080 shop vac has been one of my favorite buys over the years. The cord does get in the way though when I've got the buffers and the pressure washer all out at the same time. I am looking at the EGO blower because I have their trimmer, but it's just too much at this point.
Fusso coat the old version going on 6 months on my son truck. Fusso coat still beading like crazy just amazing product . When i used ceramic waxes seem like those those ceramic waxes don't bead or sheet much but the product is keeping the paint clean .
That's great durability, Fusso has some really good staying power. One of the things that I noticed when working with a lot of sealants over the years, is they were never really as hydrophobic as their carnauba counterparts, yet boasted much stronger durability and protection. Optimum Opti-Seal was a good example of this, Meguiar's M21 Sealant, Chemical Guys Jet Seal, Menzerna Power Lock, etc. Chemists need to find more convincing ways to educate the users of stronger durability, of better performance and paint protection, when the visual indicators of hydrophobic durability aren't quite as strong.
I bought three cans of the old fusso when I heard they were coming out with a new version. I am set for life. It is amazing how long it lasts. Trick is to work small sections and put it on thin thinner thinnest. Two coats 24 hrs apart and it last for a year. And that’s with the car sitting outside 24/7. Add an occasional topper and who knows how long it will last.
I totally understand what you're saying regarding the protection vs hydrophobics. Whilst the flat/sheeting products may well offer technically better protection, the problem for the average user is knowing when that product is failing. Using an associated topper may well add hydrophobic properties, and these may be magnified under a healthy base layer. However, if you're going to the trouble of applying 2 products, they really need to justify why their particular protective blend is better. Otherwise, impressive single application products like Fusso Coat or Wowo's Crystal Sealant do everything.
Exactly right, and this is also the problem that coatings face like CSL + EXO, or having to buy Syncro to get Mohs with Skin at a much higher cost. All at the same time CQUK 3.0 will provide both the protective durability and lasting hydrophobic performance in one single coating. How much better is the protective components in Mohs and CSL that would convince me to use a much more expensive dual layer approach?
@@WaxMode it's something I've been considering for quite a while. I've no doubt that CSL and Mohs work, though testing these without the topper for chemical resistance is not something I've seen done, and would be difficult for the home detailer given the costs and technicalities no doubt involved. In the meantime, I find it very difficult to see past coatings like CQUK 3.0 and Feynlab Ceramic V2 which do it all in the one product. Anyways, great work and keep it up!
Thanks for the feedback Hank! Seal & Squeal has it beat on scent for sure for me, but the Ethos is very competitive on gloss and slickness on my paint when reading with the glossmeter. I'm also liking Xtreme's Magnum Wax, they sent this over to me along with Poly-Seal so I'm working on videos for these when I get some more results in.
WaxMode sweet!! Check out my video on magnum wax!!! I like it a lot! Be sure to let it haze for like 15 ish minutes. Even in warm temps. It lasts longer that way. It won’t become harder to remove.
That's awesome performance, we'll see how far I can get on this application without topping, and then if it starts to tire down some I may start testing various toppers to see just how long we can really push it.
@@WaxMode the application I did in 12 months it got 1 topper of Soft99 Mirror Shine and a couple detail spray wipe downs and it's probably preforming better now than 2 of the products you just showed. :)
Fusso is definitely great stuff! This E34 is now my brother's 535i. Wish the body and paint was in better shape, but it's running well and I can swap parts out with my E28 535is to help diagnose any issues. Love these M30 motors.
Opti-Seal and OCW I am going to be pulling these out soon for much more focused testing. And this is what I was alluding to, I think Dr. Ghodoussi speaking as an authority on his products is what I want to see more of from specific product blenders and chemists in the future. There's a lot of science behind Optimum, and yet products like Opti-Seal never gave a very lasting durable hydrophobic performance without regular maintenance, which didn't necessarily mean Opti-Seal wasn't an effective and durable paint protectant. Pretty much every product I've tested is prone to spotting, even the less hydrophobic products because often the water from the sprinklers is not hitting it with enough volume to flood the paint, so I'll get spotting regardless of hydrophobic levels when the water dries. I haven't seen any significant spotting on these sections so far in this test.
WaxMode correct, I suspect the Opti seal and Opti Car wax has more protection in regards to sun damage than most hydrophobic products. There there are products that shed physical abrasion well and other products that survive a heat gun.
Hi, I was wondering , I believe you live in FL like me , my car sits outside everyday what would you recommend to use for protection ? I don’t have a garage so a ceramic coating is pretty much out . Thanks
Finish Kare 1000P. Just get it. Super cheap, follow the instructions, and your mind will be blown. Fusso is great of course, but make sure you’re comfortable with its ingredients (PTFE).
Great video man!!! I have seal n squeal and I will be putting it on my suburban I believe. That fusso coat just looks awesome! Great information here as always! Keep up the great work my man! 🤙🤙🤙
@@henryfreeman6113 man I really wanted the trim serum so bad. My suburban has the plastics and they are HAMMERED. they are like white they are so faded haha.
PapaSmurf918 lol I’ll have him send me it and I’ll review it!! I hear it’s great. I’d say for $40 it’s a lot but honestly I spent that also trying to find a good trim product 😂
Seal & Squeal smells so good, addicting! Let me know if it holds up well for you PapaSmurf. It definitely did well in the short term tests even against Poorboy's Strip Down. So I know it has some serious kick in it, just won't be that hydrophobic monster by itself like Fusso Coat is. Thanks for stopping in!
I'm filming on the iPhone XR, and I'm running the Osmo Mobile 3 gimbal to try and stabilize the videos and make it easier to grab footage with one hand.
I love the hq video and the 60fps shows beading the best. You can dye the water purple or something to show off more on the grey panel but most ppl would likely freak out. Nice work.
I currently have Fusso Coat (version 1) on my truck and love it. And I top with Soft 99 Speed & Barrier. Speed and Barrier has to be the easiest "Quick Detailer" or "Quick Wax" that I have ever used.
@@WaxMode It's not a bad combo IMO. The only place I could find it was Ebay from a seller in Poland. The sellers name is company_jedrzejko. I live in south GA and it took about 2 1/2 weeks to get to me.
I found your explanation of hydrophobicoty and protection great. I don't think there has been a RUclipsr who has done such. I would like to hear more detail regatdong this subject. Isn't hydrophobicity a component of protection? I assume repelling is protection.
A hydrophobic surface can be an indication of lasting protection, but it isn't a requirement. Even unprotected paint when polished and panel wiped can still exhibit decent water beading and water sheeting levels, without any protection applied on top. Over the years, I've noticed a large trend in the sealant category where their hydrophobic performance was much less aggressive compared to their carnauba based counterparts. Opti-Seal, Power Lock, Jet Seal, M21, etc. They boasted much better durability and protection, yet the hydrophobic durability didn't correlate. There's a component of protection that isn't directly tied to hydrophobicity. And we see this with coatings like Mohs and Crystal Serum Light, where they aren't going to provide the longest hydrophobic durability, but rather require separate toppers in order to combine the protective elements of the base coating along with the strong and lasting hydrophobic element of the top coat, like with Gyeon Skin and Gtechniq EXO. You will also have some coatings advertise a separate hydrophobic durability rating (say two years), compared to the actual coating durability rating (five years). And I have certainly seen coatings hydrophobic performance be significantly hindered, that were revived with various toppers. Had I assumed that due to hydrophobic performance alone that these coatings were fully diminished, I would have been mistaken. It's a tricky subject, and hopefully we are able to see more chemists begin defining the specific protective capabilities of the products, why they chose this chemistry over other options, and have the scientific research to back up their findings.
WaxMode You’re one of the few testers that I’ve seen actually acknowledge this. Whenever I see others write off a sealant / wax / coating due to the water beading properties fading away, it makes me wonder if that’s a true indicator of its actual durability. I agree that it should be more straightforward from the chemists making the products as to where the actual protection lies. How do we truly know when a product is completely gone from the paint surface?
I had used the ethos last November. after the Chicago winter ended for a day in late February I washed the car. I noticed that the hood of the vehicle was flat while the sides of the car still beaded water. I was a little disappointed in the durability. maybe the Fusso wax can get me through the next winter...thanks waxmode
Thanks for the feedback again Barry! Chicago winters can be particularly brutal for a lot of products, everything likes to be maintained on a regular basis and you just don't have that option when it's below freezing for months. A lot of my family is from Chicago, but I'm thankful to be in Florida to skip those winters!
By the way, I'd rather have highly hydrophobic paint than "protected" paint. It's all about the satisfaction/fun of it in the end, and nothing car related makes me as excited as some super tight beads.
They're doing a great job on the brand, I love how they've designed the bottles and labeling it's very aesthetic. Would love to get my hands on some of their maintenance products to pair with the Pro Ceramic Wax, I'll have to reach back out to Tim to see if he's willing!
The water just flies off the paint coated with FUSSO Coat 99. FUSSO Coat is one of the most durable sealants on the market. I use it on customer cars that are parked outside during the winter. I routinely see durable protection for nine months with just routine washes once a month.
For maintenance washes I like to use Meguiars D110 Hyper Wash. It’s easy to adjust the strength of Hyper Wash depending on how much dirt and road film is on the customer’s car. On cars with an SiO2 coating I use CarPro Reset.
Thanks! I have the Ryobi basic 1700psi 1.2GPM model, with the 25ft Kobrajet 3/8" high pressure line, and the MTM SGS-28 gun with the fittings and quick disconnects. Check out Obsessed Garage's website under the pressure washer setups for the upgrades. Outstanding resource, the upgrades completely transformed the utility of the pressure washer and make it much more enjoyable to work with. 25ft on the hose is a bit small, I'd probably go with the 50ft if I could do it over again but it's pricey. Matt did a phenomenal job on the research to figure out what to offer for us that works perfectly.
@@WaxMode Nice setup, man. 😁 Will check Obsessed Garage's website for sure. I'm currently using a 1600 psi Karcher to wash my personal vehicle so I guess I have to upgrade. 😅
My thoughts for a year of protection ( I live Ontario Canada..both vehicles are more or less daily drivers ,,,, so for a year of protection I’m thinking Fusso 12 months with BeadMaker for a topper ... does this make sense ?? Thanks again for your thoughts and great explanations ... really enjoy your video’s !
Hey Bruce, I would avoid Bead Maker with Fusso Coat. When I tried topping a fresh section of Fusso on the test panel, I did see a pretty noticeable drop in hydrophobic performance with this combo. Rather something like Hybrid Ceramic Detailer would be a better option for maintaining Fusso, but I'll see if I can pull it back out on the test hood and run some more toppers on it to see what else would be a better fit. Also, Fusso should still get pretty hammered during the winter months up in Canada, I would try and run an application of Fusso right before the weather turns cold, and then reapply once the weather warms back up.
Thanks for the warning I appreciate it ... I’ll wait on your tests then ... I have a few months ..as for now it has TW Hybrid Polish and Wax and a coat of TW Hybrid Spray wax ... they said I should be good for year but .... do I trust that
I'm getting great durability so far with both the Ceramic Polish & Wax and the Ceramic Spray Coating on the blue test Honda. But I would aim to reapply the Spray Coating every three months, or maintain on a regular basis with Ceramic Wet Wax and reapply the Spray Coating at 6 months.
Ryobi 1700 1.2 GPM washer. 25ft Kobrajet 3/8" pressure washer line, and MTM SGS-28 gun that I grabbed from Obsessed Garage with the quick disconnect fittings!
I haven't tried nearly as much as you have, but I have tried a good amount of sealants and waxes, and a few coatings. I have yet to try anything that, short of a coating, performs and lasts like Soft 99 Fusso Coat.
Cheers Eddie! With everything that I've tried, Fusso Coat is still very competitive in performance, very satisfying to see it maintain performance over the months.
Fusso is hands down the best The thinner you put it on the better I put two coats on a few days apart and it lasts a year A great topper is Griots 3 in 1 ceramic wax
Hey John! Yes Luster Lube I would use as my primary topper for Seal & Squeal, their latest formula for this is extremely hydrophobic, check my full review that I did for Gloss Sauce and Seal & Squeal, with Luster Lube used as a topper around the 8:27 mark in the video: ruclips.net/video/7vo8O6nDTkU/видео.html
@@WaxMode oops me bad...I was thinking about the orig version (pink)….quick ques have u reviewed IGL F4?? awesome vids(reviews) btw....u and brian(apex) are the best!!!! well done
I agree with your points on protection being a general term. Less hydrophobic but more durable? Great, just educate us weekend warriors(by way of product labeling) so we can make informed choices.
Thanks Mark, I just think there's a lot of room in the market for chemists to step out of the shadows and begin educating the enthusiasts and professionals about the actual performance traits of the protectants they've chosen, amidst a wide range of options, to blend as their protectant of choice. Ethos and Lithium to me both have attractive branding, they can quench hydrophobic thirst with additional toppers but someone has to sell the advantage of selecting Pro Ceramic Wax or Seal & Squeal as THE sealant of choice for me to use as my base coat, knowing that I have a crowded market of products to choose from.
This is Avi from CarPro's response on the forum for Reset when used as a maintenance wash: "I will add that its good to use for any car wash, not only coated ! diluting it in the right ratio , in a bucket makes it pH neutral so on other sealants and more durable waxes or synthetic types it will not strip them off as well."
Waxmode: lets do a bead test! Fusso: *laughs in hydrophobicity* Jokes aside, I just put a layer of 1st gen Fusso coat on my car, and can't wait to have its first wash and enjoy the water beading haha
My philosophy is I want that strong base coat protectant to fill the protection role, and then follow up with a lighter maintenance topper to build up or maintain gloss/slickness/hydrophobicity on a regular basis. Something like Seal N Shine is very heavy, I'm not going to want to use this for maintenance on a regular basis, although you could get away with doing so, but I would rather have Seal N Shine as the base and follow up with Ice Spray Wax for maintenance. Because Seal N Shine is so heavy as well, it's not my preferred choice for using on highly polished paint after hours of correction. Seal & Squeal applies and buffs off much cleaner and easier, with much less tendency to streak especially on black paint. So you've got tradeoffs of going solely with Seal N Shine, and you've got tradeoffs of really needing that topper with Seal & Squeal if you want to build up a hydrophobic surface that lasts.
@@WaxMode , thanks for the detailed reply ! I have a black 2018 XTS with well maintained paint and have already used Ice Seal and Shine on it , so I will get some Ice Spray for maintenance , unless you come back with something better I should get . Again , thanks a lot !!
Here’s the thing. If I can’t see it I don’t believe it no matter what the chemist say. With Fusso you can see it and you don’t need an explanation or disclaimer or someone saying oh my product is better for your car you just can’t see it. Ethos and Lithium are no match for Fusso in this test.
There is nothing better then Fusso unless you are going to do a ceramic coat The thinner you put it on the better it works Two coats a few days apart and done. I do top it with Griots 3 in 1 ceramic spray wax.
Fusso is hard to beat.
Fusso is hydrophobic AND durable. DimitrysGarage tested 70 washes till it failed! This stuff is amazing
Am I dreaming? Another Waxmode video already!? Fusso #1!
Got to try and pump these videos out while I have the chance!
Great video WaxMode, you touched on a few items that I think are important to discuss further.
The general consensus we have gathered amongst RUclipsrs is that tight water beading seems to be the great elixir (No pun intended) of determining a products efficacy in durability, chemical repellency and overall value. Although the results shown here of our own product are much less than what we have formulated (which we can debate as to why), our goal with our Ceramic Wax PRO product may explain the variance.
When comparing products in the vacuum of a video, the most visual results inherently will become the spotlight while the secondary aspects take much less focus. It's extremely important, and potentially a point we have not communicated well enough as a brand to make clear exactly what each of our products do and what makes them unique or different than what is on the market. Our goal with Ceramic Wax PRO was to make a product that would outlast any of standard sealant or wax while being as easy or easier to install. For those who have used Fusso Coat compared to normal wax you will understand there is a very large variance in applications between "like" products. Some products just simply dont reward the installer for their efforts, something which goes against our philosophy.
In terms of application, There is a sliding scale between performance and ease of use. The large portion of our market with Ceramic Wax PRO are consumers who dont have any detailing experience and are actually fairly intimidated by using car care products on their own vehicles. Many of us that are familiar with car detailing often forget that a large percentage of people out there have no real experience and are deathly afraid of causing irreversible damage to their vehicle. If there is a way to get these consumers feet wet, to get them to try a product that would give them very satisfactory results without being overwhelmed, then they will be even more apt to try more complicated processes.
Water Sheeting Vs. Water beading. On opposite sides of the spectrum you can create a product with extremely high water beading properties with a high water contact angle that forms tight beads that sit on the surface and create a very neat visual effect, while not achieving much. On the other side of the spectrum you can develop a product with a lower water contact angle, but higher sliding angles while producing a surface that is slick enough to shed contaminants instead of holding onto them with their higher surface energies, which in part creates high water contact angles. Which is better?
In a vacuum, If we were to hand a general consumer an extremely water repellant product that was quite difficult or stubborn to use, it wouldn't matter how well it performed they would just not use it. But, if we were to hand them a product that would be an order of magnitude better performance than what they have used, while being even easier to use and produce better results then they we will have succeeded.
It is relatively easy to make a product perform well. What is hard to do is make a product that performs well WHILE being extremely easy to use in any situation.
Building a system of products that work together and form a cohesive unit is a very effective way to ensure ongoing results as products weather over time. There are many benefits to having Ceramic Wax PRO as a base layer of protection with layering additional products in conjunction for added results. Much of your UV protection, filling abilities, gloss and longevity come from film build thickness which you get with a product like Ceramic Wax PRO, something most spray detailers on their own cannot achieve.
Ceramic Wax PRO paired with our Ceramic Shampoo as a routine wash and topped with Ceramic Refresh every few months will produce results that will rival most consumer level products. Some customers are looking for a durable, easy wax application protectant and aren't looking for multi step process, which is great. The product will achieve what they're looking for. But for those looking for additional benefits this pairing opens up the opportunity to create a full turn key system with fantastic results and takes out any guess work.
As our product line further develops and new technologies emerge we will continue to make products that are even easier and produce even better results than before. We will always push to formulate performance without compromising application.
Cheers Tim, thanks for stopping in and providing a great response! You bring up a lot of great points as well, trying to blend the perfect product that capitalizes on ease of use while delivering on protection amidst a competitive market, and stringent standards of users of all backgrounds and experiences, it's definitely not as simple as it looks especially when you have a constant influx of new companies and brands to compete against.
Fusso Coat provides performance, but at the cost of a highly chemical smell that would drive headaches for some in a few seconds of use. Not the easiest to spread and remove, with a higher potential of streaks by not being able to wipe it clean. Perhaps not the best choice for beginners that don't have the experience to adjust application methods on the spot to avoid a mess.
Even myself, the self-professed hydrophobic addict, I still have a hard time choosing something like Fusso Coat or Polymer Net Shield when I've spent hours and hours on paint correction. Products that give me that much better ease of use start becoming much more attractive after 6+ hours on the buffers.
I've definitely got to get my hands on some of your maintenance toppers, would love to pair these up with Pro Ceramic Wax to showcase how that pairing works out when used together on a regular basis!
First, I commend you for taking the time and effort to participate in this ‘forum’. While it may be a vacuum of sorts, it’s the best a consumer can do short of being in Waxmode’s driveway.
I appreciate the challenges of product formulation, and the market analysis that goes into it. My only thought as a knee-jerk response is that if the product is aimed at novice detailers, or as a gateway product...take the word PRO off of the name.
My honest opinion is that ANYONE who is brave enough to maintain their own car....is already in a completely different social group than 95% of the largest group. They care enough to take care of their belongings. So if you aim products at them that are split by ability, I believe they’re going to be humble enough to grab the bottle that builds confidence with minimal risk, or, grab the ‘PRO’ bottle that looks you dead in the eye and warns you of the sleeves you need to roll-up.
These consumers (myself included) are already sold. They just want to reward themselves in ways that align with their own goals and expectations.
Not complaining about your products whatsoever. Just felt compelled to respond to a thoughtful post from the horse’s mouth. Thanks for reading.
You are absolutely right. The companies have a educational task to tell us about their products and what they are formulated for. How to use them and how to maintain them. Great vid.
Thanks Codriver, and this isn't necessarily directed specifically towards Ethos and Lithium, it's what I would like to see across the market in order for companies to more effectively differentiate their offerings. Let's bring a bit of the real science of the chemistry in order to capture the attention of more experienced users. Leveraging potential weakpoints of particular base layer protectants with maintenance toppers that can be used to quench a particular hydrophobic desire, or something that plays well on top of the properties of the base protectant.
@@WaxMode I am sure we are missing out on some really good properties just because we are focusing on hydrofobicity (not sure about my spelling since english is not my native language) and chemical resistance insome type av test on a panel. This is not a criticism of the tests that are preformed on youtube. My view is that I would like to se a broader view of the products. I am an amateur that find theese videos with comparisions between different products very interesting. But lately I have found myself looking for other properties than long term water beading. I wash my car quite often and I have no problem applying some topper or maintenance product often. I have started to look for slickness and glossy looks. I think the industry has to show their products strength. Oh, this was a loooong comment :)
I'm thinkin' Fusso won that round.......hands down! I do love me some Hydrophobicity! You just gave me some inspiration to go top up my Fusso coat on the daily driver with another coat of the good ole' FUSSO!!! For the money, Fusso really is hard to beat. Good prep is the key to Fusso along with applying as absolutely THIN a layer as you can possibly get onto that paint or you'll be havin' some real problems removing that stuff! Put Fusso on too thick and you might as well get out a sheet of sandpaper to try and remove it! Trust me, i've been there and made that headache of a mistake. GOOD PREP & THIN LAYER and when you remove and do your final buff you'll have one of the most durable sealant finishes on this planet with Fusso, along with one of the most hydrophobic for sure! Fusso is one of the absolute best for hydrophobicity and it LAST'S AND LAST'S through wash after wash. Fantastic product. WAX MODE or NO MODE!!!! Wax Mode is one of the best detailing product reviewers on RUclips!
I appreciate it Joe! You might be right on that sandpaper too, Fusso definitely has some abrasive resistance and it's interesting too because fluorine based sealants are generally recommended for skiers on their skis that end up getting physically hammered on a regular basis on rough snows. I need to do a lot more testing with Fusso, which I've been abrasive about because I don't have their updated formula which may be a bit watered down compared to my first version tin. Absolutely love Fusso's lasting hydrophobic performance, so satisfying to see in action.
Excellent review and analysis as always. I swear one of these companies need to contact you and hire you for their network, sports events, etc. Your commentary is second to none brother! 👍👍
Thanks Idtriton! Definitely wouldn't work out though, I'm scared to death of public speaking!
I feel like Ethos and Litium are over priced. That Fusso is bangin. Love the blower by the way.
This blower is still holding up perfectly, that Ridgid WD4080 shop vac has been one of my favorite buys over the years. The cord does get in the way though when I've got the buffers and the pressure washer all out at the same time. I am looking at the EGO blower because I have their trimmer, but it's just too much at this point.
Enjoy the idea of having 3 different products on the same vehicle to compare !
Thanks again 👍
Glad you like it Carmine, thanks for watching!
Fusso for the win!!!!👍
Fusso coat the old version going on 6 months on my son truck. Fusso coat still beading like crazy just amazing product . When i used ceramic waxes seem like those those ceramic waxes don't bead or sheet much but the product is keeping the paint clean .
That's great durability, Fusso has some really good staying power. One of the things that I noticed when working with a lot of sealants over the years, is they were never really as hydrophobic as their carnauba counterparts, yet boasted much stronger durability and protection. Optimum Opti-Seal was a good example of this, Meguiar's M21 Sealant, Chemical Guys Jet Seal, Menzerna Power Lock, etc. Chemists need to find more convincing ways to educate the users of stronger durability, of better performance and paint protection, when the visual indicators of hydrophobic durability aren't quite as strong.
I bought three cans of the old fusso when I heard they were coming out with a new version. I am set for life. It is amazing how long it lasts. Trick is to work small sections and put it on thin thinner thinnest. Two coats 24 hrs apart and it last for a year. And that’s with the car sitting outside 24/7. Add an occasional topper and who knows how long it will last.
I totally understand what you're saying regarding the protection vs hydrophobics. Whilst the flat/sheeting products may well offer technically better protection, the problem for the average user is knowing when that product is failing. Using an associated topper may well add hydrophobic properties, and these may be magnified under a healthy base layer. However, if you're going to the trouble of applying 2 products, they really need to justify why their particular protective blend is better. Otherwise, impressive single application products like Fusso Coat or Wowo's Crystal Sealant do everything.
Exactly right, and this is also the problem that coatings face like CSL + EXO, or having to buy Syncro to get Mohs with Skin at a much higher cost. All at the same time CQUK 3.0 will provide both the protective durability and lasting hydrophobic performance in one single coating. How much better is the protective components in Mohs and CSL that would convince me to use a much more expensive dual layer approach?
@@WaxMode it's something I've been considering for quite a while. I've no doubt that CSL and Mohs work, though testing these without the topper for chemical resistance is not something I've seen done, and would be difficult for the home detailer given the costs and technicalities no doubt involved.
In the meantime, I find it very difficult to see past coatings like CQUK 3.0 and Feynlab Ceramic V2 which do it all in the one product.
Anyways, great work and keep it up!
I used ethos and it leaves behind protection for sure!!!! Loved the scent and slickness and gloss!!
Hank's Detailing - Ethos even shined up an old tractor 🚜 that I use. Good stuff. I like ‘em all, but have my favorites.
Craig Encinitas nice!! What are your favorites? Mine are beadmaker, jescar powerlock and xtreme solutions magnum wax
@@craig.encinitas We'd love to see that!
Thanks for the feedback Hank! Seal & Squeal has it beat on scent for sure for me, but the Ethos is very competitive on gloss and slickness on my paint when reading with the glossmeter. I'm also liking Xtreme's Magnum Wax, they sent this over to me along with Poly-Seal so I'm working on videos for these when I get some more results in.
WaxMode sweet!! Check out my video on magnum wax!!! I like it a lot! Be sure to let it haze for like 15 ish minutes. Even in warm temps. It lasts longer that way. It won’t become harder to remove.
Fusso coat all the way. You do it right and you can truly get 12 months out of it. Awesome product!
That's awesome performance, we'll see how far I can get on this application without topping, and then if it starts to tire down some I may start testing various toppers to see just how long we can really push it.
@@WaxMode the application I did in 12 months it got 1 topper of Soft99 Mirror Shine and a couple detail spray wipe downs and it's probably preforming better now than 2 of the products you just showed. :)
Man nothing can beat the fusso coat! I use it before the winter. That E34 is priceless... What model is it ? 😁 thx mate👍🏽
Fusso is definitely great stuff! This E34 is now my brother's 535i. Wish the body and paint was in better shape, but it's running well and I can swap parts out with my E28 535is to help diagnose any issues. Love these M30 motors.
That’s what they said about collinite 845 at one point. Now it looks like weaksauce
Fussos beading is insane. But is it prone to waterspots? At the moment I'm using Opti-Seal and OCW. No insane beads but a lot of sheeting.
Opti-Seal and OCW I am going to be pulling these out soon for much more focused testing. And this is what I was alluding to, I think Dr. Ghodoussi speaking as an authority on his products is what I want to see more of from specific product blenders and chemists in the future. There's a lot of science behind Optimum, and yet products like Opti-Seal never gave a very lasting durable hydrophobic performance without regular maintenance, which didn't necessarily mean Opti-Seal wasn't an effective and durable paint protectant.
Pretty much every product I've tested is prone to spotting, even the less hydrophobic products because often the water from the sprinklers is not hitting it with enough volume to flood the paint, so I'll get spotting regardless of hydrophobic levels when the water dries. I haven't seen any significant spotting on these sections so far in this test.
WaxMode correct, I suspect the Opti seal and Opti Car wax has more protection in regards to sun damage than most hydrophobic products. There there are products that shed physical abrasion well and other products that survive a heat gun.
Hi, I was wondering , I believe you live in FL like me , my car sits outside everyday what would you recommend to use for protection ? I don’t have a garage so a ceramic coating is pretty much out . Thanks
Finish Kare 1000P. Just get it. Super cheap, follow the instructions, and your mind will be blown. Fusso is great of course, but make sure you’re comfortable with its ingredients (PTFE).
Great video man!!! I have seal n squeal and I will be putting it on my suburban I believe. That fusso coat just looks awesome! Great information here as always! Keep up the great work my man! 🤙🤙🤙
PapaSmurf918 yay can’t wait!!! I’ll get trim serum and let you know what I think!
@@henryfreeman6113 man I really wanted the trim serum so bad. My suburban has the plastics and they are HAMMERED. they are like white they are so faded haha.
PapaSmurf918 lol I’ll have him send me it and I’ll review it!! I hear it’s great. I’d say for $40 it’s a lot but honestly I spent that also trying to find a good trim product 😂
@@henryfreeman6113 I have heard awesome things about it!!!
Seal & Squeal smells so good, addicting! Let me know if it holds up well for you PapaSmurf. It definitely did well in the short term tests even against Poorboy's Strip Down. So I know it has some serious kick in it, just won't be that hydrophobic monster by itself like Fusso Coat is. Thanks for stopping in!
You cannot beat that Fusso coat
That camera records awesome!
I'm filming on the iPhone XR, and I'm running the Osmo Mobile 3 gimbal to try and stabilize the videos and make it easier to grab footage with one hand.
WaxMode I have the iphone xr and I even don’t realized that record so well haha. Great video as always!
I love the hq video and the 60fps shows beading the best. You can dye the water purple or something to show off more on the grey panel but most ppl would likely freak out. Nice work.
I currently have Fusso Coat (version 1) on my truck and love it. And I top with Soft 99 Speed & Barrier. Speed and Barrier has to be the easiest "Quick Detailer" or "Quick Wax" that I have ever used.
Thanks for the heads up SJP, I'll have to check out Speed and Barrier as something to pair with Fusso Coat!
@@WaxMode It's not a bad combo IMO. The only place I could find it was Ebay from a seller in Poland. The sellers name is company_jedrzejko. I live in south GA and it took about 2 1/2 weeks to get to me.
@@stephenP1979 why do u top it off if u deem fusso to be effective? Why not allow fusso wear out and re-apply fusso again.
SOFT99 FTW, even my SOFT99 wate rblock wax can last for 1,5 months and it's still beading like crazy.
I still need to try and get my hands on Water Block Wax, just too many products that I want to test and not enough cash!
@@WaxMode the fusso coat that you using was cost 70 USD in indonesia,while the water block wax was around 20 USD.
I found your explanation of hydrophobicoty and protection great. I don't think there has been a RUclipsr who has done such. I would like to hear more detail regatdong this subject. Isn't hydrophobicity a component of protection? I assume repelling is protection.
A hydrophobic surface can be an indication of lasting protection, but it isn't a requirement. Even unprotected paint when polished and panel wiped can still exhibit decent water beading and water sheeting levels, without any protection applied on top.
Over the years, I've noticed a large trend in the sealant category where their hydrophobic performance was much less aggressive compared to their carnauba based counterparts. Opti-Seal, Power Lock, Jet Seal, M21, etc. They boasted much better durability and protection, yet the hydrophobic durability didn't correlate.
There's a component of protection that isn't directly tied to hydrophobicity. And we see this with coatings like Mohs and Crystal Serum Light, where they aren't going to provide the longest hydrophobic durability, but rather require separate toppers in order to combine the protective elements of the base coating along with the strong and lasting hydrophobic element of the top coat, like with Gyeon Skin and Gtechniq EXO.
You will also have some coatings advertise a separate hydrophobic durability rating (say two years), compared to the actual coating durability rating (five years). And I have certainly seen coatings hydrophobic performance be significantly hindered, that were revived with various toppers. Had I assumed that due to hydrophobic performance alone that these coatings were fully diminished, I would have been mistaken.
It's a tricky subject, and hopefully we are able to see more chemists begin defining the specific protective capabilities of the products, why they chose this chemistry over other options, and have the scientific research to back up their findings.
WaxMode You’re one of the few testers that I’ve seen actually acknowledge this. Whenever I see others write off a sealant / wax / coating due to the water beading properties fading away, it makes me wonder if that’s a true indicator of its actual durability.
I agree that it should be more straightforward from the chemists making the products as to where the actual protection lies. How do we truly know when a product is completely gone from the paint surface?
Another one bites the dust.
Fusso keeps absolutely DESTROYING them all. That's the best coating on the planet.
I had used the ethos last November. after the Chicago winter ended for a day in late February I washed the car. I noticed that the hood of the vehicle was flat while the sides of the car still beaded water. I was a little disappointed in the durability. maybe the Fusso wax can get me through the next winter...thanks waxmode
Thanks for the feedback again Barry! Chicago winters can be particularly brutal for a lot of products, everything likes to be maintained on a regular basis and you just don't have that option when it's below freezing for months. A lot of my family is from Chicago, but I'm thankful to be in Florida to skip those winters!
love these videos. straight to the point and not begging me to SMASH the subscribe button
Thanks R!
Wow he actually pulled the fusso out :P
By the way, I'd rather have highly hydrophobic paint than "protected" paint. It's all about the satisfaction/fun of it in the end, and nothing car related makes me as excited as some super tight beads.
If Fusso Coat smelled more like Collinite 915, I'd probably pull it out everyday!
Tim at Ethos seems to be very helpful.
He is!! He’s the best
They're doing a great job on the brand, I love how they've designed the bottles and labeling it's very aesthetic. Would love to get my hands on some of their maintenance products to pair with the Pro Ceramic Wax, I'll have to reach back out to Tim to see if he's willing!
The water just flies off the paint coated with FUSSO Coat 99. FUSSO Coat is one of the most durable sealants on the market. I use it on customer cars that are parked outside during the winter. I routinely see durable protection for nine months with just routine washes once a month.
Thanks for the feedback John! Do you have a particular maintenance product that you like to use with Fusso?
For maintenance washes I like to use Meguiars D110 Hyper Wash. It’s easy to adjust the strength of Hyper Wash depending on how much dirt and road film is on the customer’s car. On cars with an SiO2 coating I use CarPro Reset.
Great informative video
As usual great content. I'm just getting into detailing so I have to ask what's your pressure washer setup? Especially the gun.
Thanks! I have the Ryobi basic 1700psi 1.2GPM model, with the 25ft Kobrajet 3/8" high pressure line, and the MTM SGS-28 gun with the fittings and quick disconnects. Check out Obsessed Garage's website under the pressure washer setups for the upgrades. Outstanding resource, the upgrades completely transformed the utility of the pressure washer and make it much more enjoyable to work with. 25ft on the hose is a bit small, I'd probably go with the 50ft if I could do it over again but it's pricey. Matt did a phenomenal job on the research to figure out what to offer for us that works perfectly.
@@WaxMode Nice setup, man. 😁 Will check Obsessed Garage's website for sure. I'm currently using a 1600 psi Karcher to wash my personal vehicle so I guess I have to upgrade. 😅
My thoughts for a year of protection ( I live Ontario Canada..both vehicles are more or less daily drivers ,,,, so for a year of protection I’m thinking Fusso 12 months with BeadMaker for a topper ... does this make sense ?? Thanks again for your thoughts and great explanations ... really enjoy your video’s !
Hey Bruce, I would avoid Bead Maker with Fusso Coat. When I tried topping a fresh section of Fusso on the test panel, I did see a pretty noticeable drop in hydrophobic performance with this combo. Rather something like Hybrid Ceramic Detailer would be a better option for maintaining Fusso, but I'll see if I can pull it back out on the test hood and run some more toppers on it to see what else would be a better fit.
Also, Fusso should still get pretty hammered during the winter months up in Canada, I would try and run an application of Fusso right before the weather turns cold, and then reapply once the weather warms back up.
Thanks for the warning I appreciate it ... I’ll wait on your tests then ... I have a few months ..as for now it has TW Hybrid Polish and Wax and a coat of TW Hybrid Spray wax ... they said I should be good for year but .... do I trust that
I'm getting great durability so far with both the Ceramic Polish & Wax and the Ceramic Spray Coating on the blue test Honda. But I would aim to reapply the Spray Coating every three months, or maintain on a regular basis with Ceramic Wet Wax and reapply the Spray Coating at 6 months.
What pressure washer are you using?
Ryobi 1700 1.2 GPM washer. 25ft Kobrajet 3/8" pressure washer line, and MTM SGS-28 gun that I grabbed from Obsessed Garage with the quick disconnect fittings!
Good points
I haven't tried nearly as much as you have, but I have tried a good amount of sealants and waxes, and a few coatings. I have yet to try anything that, short of a coating, performs and lasts like Soft 99 Fusso Coat.
Cheers Eddie! With everything that I've tried, Fusso Coat is still very competitive in performance, very satisfying to see it maintain performance over the months.
Fusso is hands down the best
The thinner you put it on the better
I put two coats on a few days apart and it lasts a year
A great topper is Griots 3 in 1 ceramic wax
Fusso for the win, by a country mile!
Good to see you again Ken! Definitely liking Fusso Coat, it packs a ton of visual performance for a decent price.
@@WaxMode sure does mate!
im confused.....lustre lube as a topper??? isn't that the clay lube...did u mean the gloss sauce????
Hey John! Yes Luster Lube I would use as my primary topper for Seal & Squeal, their latest formula for this is extremely hydrophobic, check my full review that I did for Gloss Sauce and Seal & Squeal, with Luster Lube used as a topper around the 8:27 mark in the video: ruclips.net/video/7vo8O6nDTkU/видео.html
@@WaxMode oops me bad...I was thinking about the orig version (pink)….quick ques have u reviewed IGL F4?? awesome vids(reviews) btw....u and brian(apex) are the best!!!! well done
I heard Ceramic Slam is amazing
Arjun Singh I love it so far!! I am making a review on it soon in my channel
I've heard great things as well, really want to get a hold of this and Color Crush!
Love fusso coat its amazing,
The hydrophobics are definitely addicting to see in person!
Fusso is a crazy beader.
One of the most hydrophobic products that I have! I've got to pool together a video that ranks waxes and sealants in hydrophobicity.
I agree with your points on protection being a general term. Less hydrophobic but more durable? Great, just educate us weekend warriors(by way of product labeling) so we can make informed choices.
Thanks Mark, I just think there's a lot of room in the market for chemists to step out of the shadows and begin educating the enthusiasts and professionals about the actual performance traits of the protectants they've chosen, amidst a wide range of options, to blend as their protectant of choice. Ethos and Lithium to me both have attractive branding, they can quench hydrophobic thirst with additional toppers but someone has to sell the advantage of selecting Pro Ceramic Wax or Seal & Squeal as THE sealant of choice for me to use as my base coat, knowing that I have a crowded market of products to choose from.
fusso coat is the rock
Doesn't carpro reset degrade waxes?
This is Avi from CarPro's response on the forum for Reset when used as a maintenance wash: "I will add that its good to use for any car wash, not only coated ! diluting it in the right ratio , in a bucket makes it pH neutral so on other sealants and more durable waxes or synthetic types it will not strip them off as well."
First!! Hey waxmode
Jason! That was quick good to see you in here!
WaxMode hehe yeah popped up on my phone just finished video. Looks like am they all held up pretty decently.
Waxmode: lets do a bead test!
Fusso: *laughs in hydrophobicity*
Jokes aside, I just put a layer of 1st gen Fusso coat on my car, and can't wait to have its first wash and enjoy the water beading haha
Haha, fun stuff Derek! Definitely let me know how the Fusso Coat holds up.
Wouldn't it be easier to use TW Ice every few washes ?
My philosophy is I want that strong base coat protectant to fill the protection role, and then follow up with a lighter maintenance topper to build up or maintain gloss/slickness/hydrophobicity on a regular basis. Something like Seal N Shine is very heavy, I'm not going to want to use this for maintenance on a regular basis, although you could get away with doing so, but I would rather have Seal N Shine as the base and follow up with Ice Spray Wax for maintenance.
Because Seal N Shine is so heavy as well, it's not my preferred choice for using on highly polished paint after hours of correction. Seal & Squeal applies and buffs off much cleaner and easier, with much less tendency to streak especially on black paint. So you've got tradeoffs of going solely with Seal N Shine, and you've got tradeoffs of really needing that topper with Seal & Squeal if you want to build up a hydrophobic surface that lasts.
@@WaxMode , thanks for the detailed reply ! I have a black 2018 XTS with well maintained paint and have already used Ice Seal and Shine on it , so I will get some Ice Spray for maintenance , unless you come back with something better I should get . Again , thanks a lot !!
Could you test TLC Black Ice?
Definitely want to try and grab Black Ice in the future, I do have TLC 2.0 that I'll be doing a video on hopefully soon.
Sounds great ... really like your video your commentary is great ... keep up the great video’s
for me ethos turned out to be dud..no beading at all..
It's really going to depend on your preferences, without toppers it won't have the hydrophobics to showcase that crazy beading.
Fusso please
Here’s the thing. If I can’t see it I don’t believe it no matter what the chemist say. With Fusso you can see it and you don’t need an explanation or disclaimer or someone saying oh my product is better for your car you just can’t see it. Ethos and Lithium are no match for Fusso in this test.
There is nothing better then Fusso unless you are going to do a ceramic coat
The thinner you put it on the better it works
Two coats a few days apart and done.
I do top it with Griots 3 in 1 ceramic spray wax.
Fusso coat it is
Fusso if you dont want ceramic coat
Carlos Rivera I disagree, turtle wax sea and shine as you can use it all over including glass and plastic
😂those products compared to fusso look like there not even there and there more expensive
Ethos still claim 18 months haha
Talk too much and talk too fast slowdown let’s enjoy what you have to say