BMPCC6K vs Sony FX30 - MY THOUGHTS + Master File Download!
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2023
- Here are my thoughts about my BMPCC6K vs Sony FX30 video!
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I just bought the FX 30. I'm also an owner of a Blackmagic cinema camera. The Blackmagic has a more cinematic picture. Both are different. I love both. Great video again.
Ithink the same, I have both, Blackmagic is way more cinnematic
I'm a proud owner of Sony cameras for video work, but BMPCC 6k still has a special place in my hear. When I used it for a job, it's a game changer for sure. Only if the people I do contract work with have BM cameras, then I'd fully commit. Love what the BMPCC6k can do!
Wow grazie! Exactly what I needed to hear, before upgrading to a new camera! Happy to see you stay on your lane, away from all the youtube trends and nonsense...
Awesome comparison! Thank you
My man always has the best hiphop instrumentals on these side by sides 🔥
Hi @matteobertoli . Thank you for your deep and interesting comparison between these two cameras. I skipped how you recorded the footage in Fx30: directly on camera or via a hmdi recorder? Thank you for your time 🙂
Thanks for this video from your standpoint 😊
I really admire your opinion. Learnt a lot from you. Don't know how to thank you lots of love
Thank you for showing the master file! Any chance of uploading a couple of camera original files so we could see how they perform in Davinci?
Thank you for your honest thoughts
Hi, Thanks for your amazing videos, undoubtedly I learned a lot from these. One thing I need to ask, can we use fx30 as a ‘b’ can with bmpcc6k? Will the colours of both cameras match? I am a butterfly lut user in my bmpcc6k, do I need to buy new luts for fx30 to match?
love the review Matteo !!
Very Nice video! Thanks
This is actually a great 'advert' for the FX30, really. I was surprised that there wasn't a larger gap between cameras. I do think people give the rolling shutter a hard time on the FX30, though. It is about 20-25% faster than the 6K, and similar to the C300, C70, etc... It's beyond the point of noticing it in most situations anyway.
Did you actually download the file and check the artifacts in the shadows?
@@matteobertoli Yeah, I've got an FX30. I have noticed the artifacting. It's not great but not a huge deal for the most part and you can tame it. I do definitely agree that the 6K is the better image, but it's known for that. It's just cool that it can get in the ball park. You should try an FS7 or older Sony (if you haven't)... terrible colours.
Hi Matteo, what do you think about the Canon R8? it can shoot 6k raw into the atomos, is a $2200 combo (similar price to the bmpcc 6k g2), and doesn't have the wobbly ibis.
Nice comparison. I wish i can download the file but it stops at 17gb all 5 times i tried.
Would enjoy to see a future comparison with Fujifilm XH2s with it's ProRes advantage over Blackmagic. :)
Great comparison, thank you Matteo! Also having the master file is very informative, thanks for thinking about us!
What if you shoot at ISO400 on Sony instead of 800? Will it reduce noise in the shadows? Or the highlights would be even worse in that case?
Native ISO is 800 so I assume that was the best option in terms of noise and highlights retention
Standard practice if you want to reduce noise is to use Cine EI and overexpose by a step or two and then reduce exposure in post.
You should research and learn how to use Cine EI and only use ISO 800 and 2500 if you have the FX30.
Valeu mano, aqui no Brasil assistindo 🎉
would you by chance have the raw footage to download ?
Gh6 can record in Braw, does that make a difference at all?
Hey Matteo, learned a lot in the couple years since i stumbled over your channel, thanks a lo for sharing your experience. In your Test shots you are most of the time in bright conditions, so u always set you V ND on 6 Stops right. I am asking because i also shoot a lot in bright environments like in the Egypt desert and i am curries if a 7 Stop NiSi Nano IR Infrared Cinematic Filter IR ND2.1 is the right choice to go with .Side note, always shoot wide open (Sigma 18-35mm). Would be much appreciate your thoughts on this .Take care
You might want to get nd with even bigger stops range. I've neve been in egypt by I imagine 11-18 would be more suited for daylight there.
@@MikAlexander in the meantime I visit Egypt and Tunisia 😬 and I can tell the nisi cinema ir 2.1Nds was the right decision to go with ✌🏻
thanks, Matteo!
Hi Mateo! If you have the possibility to add the Fujifilm X-H2s to the test, compared with the Pocket 6k etc that would be great. I was a BM user… but mostly I rent now cameras for my main projects. But for personal stuff… I’m mow again trying to decide on the p6k, the xh2s, the lumix s1h (second hand now) or the S5II… I dont care about AF for video. I have my canons for that (photo and small videos for models) :)
Obrigado 😜🙃
Good comparison brotha
Between the BMPCC4K and Sony FX30 using the Atmos Ninja V for prores Raw, which would you choose for a mixture of Cinematography and Run & Gun music video shooting? Image quality is important to me and currently i have both but I can only keep one. Any advice? Thank you!
Pocket
Do you ever use your 6k in daylight without a monitor? If so, what peaking settings do you use? I really struggle with seeing the peaking and focusing accurately in that scenario, if I'm trying to keep the setup light.
Yes all the times. I set to high, never had an issue with my OG 6k
@@matteobertoli Focus peaking is not coming in bmpcc 4k . i used a panasonic leica 12-60 lens. is it a bug or?? can you help. Thanks
Great review, thanks a lot. The FX30 looks better than I expected, but I wish you had managed to do such great comparison with the Panasonic S5II, because of the price range (2k) it would be of interest to many. Cheers.
The Sony is also 2k dollars. The S5 II is more a photographers camera that shoots videos. Still no internal ProRes or RAW and on the regular s5 ii you can’t even shoot all-i.
@@matteobertoli I hope S5IIX will meets that criteria.
Unfortunately it doesn’t. It can only record prores up to 1080 internally. In 6K only long gop, not even all i. Quite disappointing
@@matteobertoli I don't want to bore you, but I'm really interested in why you chose the FX30 and not FX3, are there some advances of FX30 over the FX3 for you, please.
Hi Matteo, what do you think about the Canon R8? it can record 6k raw into the atomos ninja V+, it's a 2200 dollars combo, camera+recorder (similar price to the bmpcc 6k) and it doesn't have the wobbly ibis.
try the fx3 - better DR, very good in low light situation, little bit better colors then the fx30 to my eyesand the xavcs-i in 4K is pretty ok for me also FF sensor with crop mode and 120 FPS in 4K and much more
The fx3 is great. I gaffed for a movie that was shooting on 3 of then last year at the DPs request. At first I was skeptical (we all were ), but it really is a very good image. Very comparable to the FX9 and even the Venice.
@@cfl4286 What lenses did you guys use?
@@ShifuJZA don’t remember specifically. They were older lenses that had been rehoused. I think tokinas maybe? They gave a nice look.
@@cfl4286 Cheers
Hey, Matteo! Great informative video! Thank you! I am a Sony (A7III) user and I want to make the next "investment" for my business - and now comes the question, is it a good time for a switch? I have two options - Sony A7SIII or the BMPCC 6K Pro. I wanted to ask you, would you say that the A7SIII has a similar performance to the FX30 or should I expect more (in terms of dynamic range/highlight retention and noise levels) because it is a full-frame sensor? I love the convenience of the Sony cameras, they are easy to use and have a lot of features, but I also love the colors of black magic and at the end of the day maybe a good picture is the priority. Please, help me 😅
Best regards!
Nik
it would be helpful if u explain why you want to upgrade. many people want to upgrade just because they want the next best thing. it doesn't mean you really need it.
if you're doing well with your current gear, keep earning money and save up for something even bigger and better is my advice. or invest in better lenses, lighting, audio, or editing gear.
I do weddings mainly. The only thing I am always scared of while using my BM4K cams is losing data since there is no dual card recording. I wish they had this option.
Been shooting weddings on 3 4k 6k bmpcc for the last 3 years
Never lost a single file
@@255132a Same here...but I think its always nice to have a back up. I use Sandisk Extreme pro cards 256GB. What do you use?
@@aman681 I use PROGRADE 256gb cards
Ive seen other comparisons youve done in the past. Do you think the XT4 does a better job than Sonys FX30 when compared to the Blackmagic?
Nah, flog is bad. Flog2 is definitely improved
You're talking about how the P6K holds more highlight but you're under exposing it compared to the FX30 by 1 stop from Native ISO. 6.9 stops above middle grey vs 6.0. I think highlight retention is about the same but the P6K is definitely cleaner in the shadows.
Matteo, do you have OLPF RawLite filter on your Pocket 6K?
I have it on 12k & G1. Not yet on 6KPro. 🖐🏻
Nope I don’t
After seeing a lot video of the BMPCC 6k pro... it really looks like it just has a 1/8 black diffusion filter glass in front. I can pretty much get the same look of softer highlight roll of with a mist filter on the FX30. I'm surprised more people dont comment on this. BMPCC cameras are known for great high lights but muddy shadows.. that is exactly what you get when you put contrast filters on your camera. Does anybody have any thoughts on this?
That’s the issue. you based your judgment on a couple of RUclips videos. Rent one and put a good glass in front of that sensor and you’ll see the difference ;)
@@matteobertoli Not a couple of youtube videos.. is after years of seeing blackmagic videos. ever since the first bmcc came out. I've been a fan of its image since then. The dynamic range and colors were always so far ahead of anything in its price range. I'm just saying that sony has a contrasty image and if you want to make it look more like the bmpcc you can add a black diffusion filter and you can get closer.
I prefer the look of the PC6K but the fx3 fits the jobs i get better
isn't the second base iso on the fx30 2500? I would've liked to see that on that last shot
Very similar noise level. Super clean also at 3200.
@@matteobertoli Good to know. Im getting two FX30 for weddings :)
Do you think the pocket 4k would have similar results vs the fx30?
I think the Pocket 4K is much better than the fx30
Hi Matteo. Could you please make a video comparing for example video created with your leica lens and some sigma/canon lens under $1000? I wonder if the difference is noticable, because difference in price surely is.
Already on my channel ;)
@@matteobertoli thank you! I will check it out.
where did the light come from in the night shot?
A shop window :)
How did you expose the slog 3 on Sony?
With false colors
For bad clipping recovery, ISO 1000 is better in BMPCC6K but it will produce more noise in the shadows.
For general "cleanest" image in bmpcc6k, 400 or 1250 will be much better than 800
1250 blows up highlights like crazy. Unusable in daylight conditions. At 800 my pocket is ultra clean
@@matteobertoli You're surprising me.. obviously 1250 is too much for daylight (unless for example your lowest available nd is too dark for 400....)
but no matter what, 400 and 1250 will be cleaner than 800.. 800 is native on the ursa, not on the pocket
@@talizhakniya9469 Are you confusing the 4K with the 6K?
Im a bmpcc4k shooter looking into a Sony system for the autofocus. Also I think the Sony look is better for food and contemporary fashion.
Interesting breakdown Matteo, the FX30 is definitely amazing, ever since I bought it I’ve been amazed by the results I can get with it, but the P6K is still the best, one thing I would like to suggest, why not try the GH6 ? I know how you feel about MFT but it’s an amazing camera, truly amazing how Panasonic improved it, I’m currently using it to shoot a comercial along side my FX30 and with some slight color grade, they match nicely and the GH6 has a very “Blackmagic “ filmic look, I think you’ll be surprise on how good it is, just try it !
I’ve always wanted a black magic camera but after researching, I found it too cumbersome to use, You still need tons of accessories to make it usable. Their batteries last for an hour and no indication when it runs out, not sure if that changed. And then owners complaint about sensors deteriorating after owing it for a few years. And a consumer grade camera with no auto focus. What a bummer.
😂 😂 😂 it’s a TRUE cinema camera and I wanna hope you do know what a cinema camera is.
@@matteobertoli Black Magic fan boy troll 😂😂😂
I find sony performs better in lowlight and blackmagic like film, performs better in high key condition.
why are you using h.264 in fx30 {as you said} its 8bit you should shoot highest quality in both for FARE Comparison .
Not what are you talking about. H264 is also 10bit. H264 is just the codec, not the bitrate. Sony only shoots h264
Matteo told me that he secretly liked the FX30 more than the pocket... 😉
Shhhhhhh! It’s a secret!
Second Sony native iso is 2500 not 1250 👀
I think it is a question of taste...I thought the Sony looked better on every shot before I knew which was which...running a 10Bit Benq monitor 4k...
In case you didn't know you can shoot raw on sony with an Atomos monitor ;)
I know, but first it’s the useless prores raw, which you can only use in fcpx. Second, you still need to spend an extra $500 and hook up a monitor in order to do that.
Pretty impressive I must say..took sony what? 3-4 years to catch up tho lol.
So basically it is stil the same:
if you need AF on a gimbal or shooting events > go sony, but get a lesser image smaller file size
If you need filmic imagery > go p6k ;)
I also found the only time I need Af is when there is a walking shot or else you can just pull the focus manually
Also its super funny that suddenly fullframe is no more a must by youtubers when sony released its fx30...haha
Thanks for the video comparison, one thing I did notice is the shot in the park, you could see how all the green reflection was all over the place and this created a green tint on the skins whereas on the p6k, it was so neutral and it provided a way more natural looking imagery.
The thing is… Sony didn’t catch up yet 😂
@@matteobertoli you mean in relation to price to performance ratio? fx30 in some countries are retailing for 1700$. I found via your tests that the fx30 is a better suited beginner cinema camera as when you are starting out, you will basically do differents jobs to know where you fit..so you will find yourself as a one band man shooting events/weddings/interviews maybe some low budget commercials where more experienced cinematographer will surely just rent an arri/red/venice/ursa for their shoot and never really use an fx30.
I've recently was on shoot with my FX30 and other person was shooting with BMPCC 6k g2 and he himself said (he previously edited footage from my camera) that he likes Sony colour and image quality much more than Blackmagic so it is all subjective. What is objective is features like autofocus, stabilisation, functionality etc
I agree on your points, most people are not shooting big budget commercials, music videos and films. How often do people need raw or a filmic image all the time, who wants to buy rigging equipment, big v-mount batteries, big memory cards, carry a big setup and buy more hard drives. Not me, not anymore. Fx30 is a better purchase, less rigging, cheaper, better lens selection, small files, smaller/lighter setup, stills, ois/ibis, travel friendly, great build, great autofocus etc. This list kills black magic imo. In the end of the day content is still king, not the image. In the hands of a great cinematographer, most mirrorless cameras can look great.
@@Rsp42 agree, although to me image also look great and you can definitely get film look with proper grading and lighting
missed the auto focus test .... rs why ? 🤭 🤭
and, battery test
did you tried to over expose the sony and pulling it down in post? as a sony shooter that's the way to go to get the better shadows. In the explanation of the Slog curve of sony there is way more dinamic range in the higlingts part of the courve than the low key part. Some people even expose skin from 40 ire to 70.
I exposed using false colors, as it should be. If the highlights go red in the false, there is nothing to recover because they are clipped. I exposed Sony footage properly, didn’t underexpose nor overexposed.
@@matteobertoli log its not linear, exposing to the right its the way to go in sony slog, check the charts "slog vs linear vs rec709 courve". You will notice that you have way more headroom in the highlights
@@miloplacas false colors are applied to the LOG. If you clip your highlights in the log the highlights are clipped. The ETTR debate is a thing of the past. With film it made sense because it was much easier to retain highlights than shadows. With digital is the opposite. Again, I use false colors to monitor the LOG and I never let my highlights going to the red. If you do they are gone, forever.
man as an avid consumer of your material I've noticed you must have accidentally put 3 unrelated vidweos in your "gear" playlist towards the end! just a heads up
Thanks fixed
I'm just at the first clip now. But you're using the the Sony at it's base ISO and not using the base ISO of the bmpcc6k. That's not proper testing imo.
And yet, the Pocket is doing much better in the shadows. If I was using the Pocket at 400 it would be even cleaner
@@matteobertoli yes of course. And that would made the comparison much better.
I think sony looks more like arri on the skin tones than the BM
There is a lot of urban legend about Blackmagic in my opinion. I can tell you that a Blackmagic user can get excellent results on the Sony before a Sony user gets usable results in with the Blackmagic. I know this from experience. Your great colors come from knowing how to get the best of your camera system. Many users are not like that these days, they just buy the camera and expect to get awesome footage. I think Sony is the one brand that understands this, that is why they make things easy but you can certainly take the FX30 very far in the creative places. For example, I am testing the phantom luts and it's like having a brand new camera
In high contrast scenes the shadows on the Sony just fall apart. Nothing you can do about that. If you can’t see them from the video, just download the master file and see for yourself ;)
I 100% agree with everything you've said here. And the images of course speak for themselves! The Blackmagic image is superior in every situation! There's a depth to it... But I must also say that I'm genuinely surprised at how much Sony seems to have improved their colour science on the FX30
TBH - I cant see any difference between these samples !!
Download the file.
wow, Sony came a long way. Still I hate Sony menu, therefore BM wins ;)
You can’t convert me, I’m a Stan and I’m not changing brands 😂
sony fanboy coming lol