They changed the ancient one to white woman, because in the comics the ancient one was Tibetan and if you had a Tibetan in your movie, Chinese cinema is gonna be like "no, no".
Yeah, it would have been awesome if they had chosen an asian woman for the role - that could have avoided stereotypes *and* whitewashing while also giving girls and asian kids a cool role model. And it would have made the movie less ridiculous IMO. Bald Tilda Swinton was just really conspicuous in that role and I couldn't take her seriously at all.
Jay and Mike are so useful for my moviegoing choices. If Mike is bored and hates it and Jay likes it, then I know it's a good romp. If both like it I know it's areally good movie. If Mike likes it but Jay thinks it's meh, then it's the worst piece of shit movie ever made. If both dislike, then it's just boring and pointless.
+James Moseley waaay too much subjectivity in mike's reviews the past 6 months. everything is just a 'feeling' now and I 'just' liked/disliked so and so. jay continues to be much more level headed and judges movies from a broader perspective and keeps things in context.
+donnie d Mike kind of seems like he's turning into Mr. Plinkett a little bit. Kind of like how he spent about 75% of the Force Awakens review being mad about diversity, he also takes the first five minutes of this review to complain about the media, again. Jay had to basically drag him off his soap box and back onto topic.
In one of the early drafts, the movie was supposed to take place over the course of pre-Incredible Hulk to the present day, more explicitly demonstrating that Strange's training took a long time. Don't know why they didn't stick with that concept.
Someday Disney will put a robotic George Lucas in each Parks Star Wars Land and it will talk about how dazzled he was by the New Star Wars since he sold it and until the day he died.
Lucas grew to hate SW fans during the prequels, especially after ROTS when they ended. I am pretty sure everything he has done since has been in service of frustrating them endlessly.
Mike is totally right about how the humor is completly outside the character. In the comics, Strange is serious as fuck. I remember very few moments of levity from his comics (The Oath, for example).
Strange has plenty of funny moments in the comics. He's not Spiderman, but he's got jokes. We don't really see Strange be funny in the movie very often. Most of the humor comes from: His cape, Wong, the black guy, other characters.
Duilio Murai From what I recall, most of the humor related to Dr. Strange comes from other characters interacting with him. More often than not he's the straight man, like when he showed up in Deadpool: Dead Presidents and he refused to forgive Benjamin Franklin's ghost for sleeping with his wife in the 60s.
I can't imagine the comic's Strange making jokes like the one about Beyonce. However, the ending highlights the main qualities wich makes him one of my favorites Marvel heroes, so I was more than satisfied overall.
I find it really bizarre considering that they have a movie reviews channel. I mean, that director he is referring to is Zhang Yimou. I don't even believe that Mike doesn't know who Zhang Yimou is, I think he must have been just joking. But it still shocks me. As much as I like these guys for their sense of humor and general demeanor, I just can't understand that the range of movies they watch and talk about is so America-centric and so narrow.
@@frankmerker630 there’s being an “international film elitist” and then there’s “knowing who zhang yimou is”. these are not the same thing. being aware of the guy who directed hero and house of flying daggers is not the same as being some cinephile snob - these are very well-known action movies that most people with even a cursory knowledge of cinema is aware of.
***SPOILER*** Considering what we learn about the Ancient One's age, I took the weird reference to her ethnicity as "Celtic" to mean she was an actual Celt - you know, like from Roman times.
In regards to Inception, I'm pretty sure he wanted the dreams grounded so it would it make the audience unsure if it was in a dream or not. Like at the beginning when Leo was taken to the old Asian man's fortress, we didn't know it was a dream then thus creating a neat twist later. It's stylistically designed to be that way. But I can see where Jay is coming from.
Is it weird that I found this movie the best Marvel movie since The Winter Soldier? I thought Strange's character was really well written and I actually gave a fuck about the villain this time around. The main weakness for me was the underwritten love interest. You could take her out and you still have Strange's drive to fix himself.
Seprix yah agreed. It was actually a breath of fresh air with respect to its deviation from the recent super hero norms. I was feeling burned out but felt great after this one.
***** Yeah. I mean, all of the points made by RLM are valid and would have made this movie even better, but I didn't think it was as blah as they're playing it.
Its far worse than Guardians of the Galaxy, not even close in my opinion. Winter Soldier is also much better, the rest is probably worse, but this is not saying to much. I can not believe, they fucked up a movie with mads mikkelsen and benedict cumberbatch in the main roles. How is this even possible?
I didn't... I quite like Giacchino's Star Trek theme, while I thought the music in this film was absolute shit, so the connection didn't even occur to me.
Am I the only one who hasnt even been watching comic book movies the past few years? I get more entertainment out of the half in the bag reviews than I would out of the actual movies.
The psychedelic 60s scene that Jay mentions includes one of Pink Floyd's earliest songs, Interstellar Overdrive, recorded in 1966. It's there because all the guys in Floyd love Doctor Strange, whom they mention in the lyrics to another of their songs, Cymbeline. It's a great and fun hats off moment for those who've long been fans of either the band or comic book character.
You forgot Kungfu Panda! Tilda Swinton as Oogway, the master who sees potential in a student but then dies voluntarily in a puff of cherry blossoms. Mads Mikkelsen as Tai Lung, the former student who returns seeking a document and is defeated by a trick that the master didn't teach him but the protagonist figured out on his own by studying that same document.
Dude. I kid you not 2 days ago I was watching gladiator and the second I heard the score I checked out pirates score and it's not even trying to hide the fact that they are carbon copies of each other. Nice catch
They changed the Ancient One's identity not to avoid a stereotype, but because they wanted to release the film in China. Keeping the Ancient One a Tibetan monk put that plan at risk.
Because then American SJWs would bitch about it. Except they bitch about everything. But some companies still labor under the delusion they can be appeased. It's easier to reason with the Tibet-hating Chinese than with the spoiled rich kid SJWs, lol.
***** Recasting the Ancient One as Chinese might have worked for China, but it could have had very ugly fallout elsewhere. China has long claimed Tibet as part of its territory, and have been threatening, beating, and jailing Tibetan protesters for years. Tibetan monks have gone as far as to literally set themselves on fire, committing suicide by self-immolation, in protest of various Chinese actions. Recasting a Tibetan monk as a Chinese character would be a bit more extreme than just ignoring the whole Tibet issue the way the world largely does.
everyframeapainting did a video about Marvel's lack of memorable music, in which they compared where many of the tracks came from to the one on the Marvel movies
Saw it 2 days ago, enjoyed it a lot. Loved the special effects, the setting, the costumes, etc. I'd say it's in my top 5 Marvel movies. I was also pretty happy that they didn't draw out the romance subplot.
Tricikloplots I hope you get this on your youtube feed, because honestly it still holds up and I love it a lot. It gets way way better with multiple viewings. It wasnt the same old contrived bullshit huge marvel ending, because he won soley due to making a simple bargain instead of fighting. Top 5. This, Winter Soldier, and Civil War (now infinity war obviously) and Iron Man will go down in time as being this good. I extremely love this movie
One more for the unpopular opinion gang: Doctor Strange was a great movie. It could have had more twists in the overall plot, but it's one of the strongest thematically in the entire MCU. And I don't watch for visuals - I hated Endgame the second time around, hell if I care. My top five in no particular order: Thor Ragnarok, Guardians 2, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man Far from Home. Guardians 1 and Iron Man 1 and 3 are close behind.
I have been watching all of the half in the bag episodes, and I notice that Mike and Jay's standards for what is an acceptable movie has been getting lower and lower. Nowadays a positive review is like "It is a movie with characters, a three-act structure, a plot, and it does not look like garbage; Four Stars, must see."
we're a much larger sample. and then you compare dieting trends and its very obvious that capitalism has bled its way into American arteries. everything down to our bread has added sugar. that's not even going into our ridiculous sodium intake and high in cholesterol foods but that clarifies why heart disease is a bigger killer in America than cancer. And I honestly couldn't care less about how other countries are either slightly less, or more terrible than us... my judgment isn't on a curve. The average American diet is terrible.
and that's totally ignoring your "native american and ethnic populations" comment. if you're gonna lean into stereotypes they don't call it "trailer trash" for nothing. don't throw stones
+Andy Brice Gods, I hope you don't think liberalism is this PC shite. It's usually more the antithesis of PC as in 'do what ya want as long as you don't hurt anyone'. EH.
Washable Burrito No totally. I'm a left-leaning liberal and I abhor that the liberal left is being taken over by these narcissistic, self-righteous, authoritarian, Marxist radicals, using shame as a weapon. We need to take it back.
Andy Brice I'm glad people are realizing that we do not need freedom of speech for cake recipies. We need freedom of speech EXACTLY for the ideas that will upset people.
21:25 Jay, it's because The Ancient One is an old, Tibetan monk in the comics, but because Marvel Films are very popular in China and China hates Tibet. The studios felt there movie wouldn't do well financially in China if they cast a Tibetan actor in that role. Although, that choice doesn't legitimise the casting of Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One, who is a Celtic female - as that is nothing like the character from the comics, I don't dislike their choice, I enjoyed Tilda's performance very much, it's just that her casting is so far flung from what the character is that it's easily misunderstood as White-washing, feminism etc. The point is her acting is very good, nothing against her as a performer, but her casting was surprising if you know the portrayal of the Ancient One from original 1960's Marvel comic books onwards.
Completely agree, the change though noticed doesn't matter THAT MUCH... what was a bigger issue... is the removal of the April Strange story line... which felt absent in the live action movie and would have legitimized some of Doctor Strange's actions early on... and would have given the scene where he was tempted a lot more significance had the villian stated dormammu would bring back their loved ones... (as the villian also had people who had died)
JonnyLightning it was relatively safe as the animated version doing well is what inspired the live action Doctor Strange Movie in the first place. (the animated story somewhat went down the narrative i already described).
I have to agree with Jay for this movie - I found Mike's assessments spot on in the previous movies in particular with the disgraceful decline of DC movie script quality. "Dr Strange" is taking Marvel superheroes movie up a visual notch - the cgi for once is not the usual chaotic uncreative mess as Michael Bay and Zack Snyder wielded them. Agree with Mike that movie soundtracks are so interchangeable except for a few exceptional composers - I can't believe they practically recycled parts of the new Star Trek theme. Always a pleasure listening to both your banters. Much love and appreciation from Singapore! PS. Jay is pure eye candy. That is a bonus for me for your show. LOL!
The rock music is a cliche about surgeons having their personal music playing when they are operating on people. They touched on it with Strange knowing all the songs one of the nurses was playing.
Decided to watch Doctor Mordrid after rewatching this video today. How the hell did Jay call that movie "boring"? Seeing the Re-Animator himself as Dr. Strange fighting Shao Kahn for control of the communism medallion had me on the edge of my seat!
My god, would you do up your shirt pockets! Mike's is one undone, one done up. Make up your mind, Mike! Jay's are both unbuttoned! This is madness! Maaaaaadnesssss! breghlaaaarrrgh!
That final confrontation is probably only so good because they roped in Dan Harmon and he’s a HUGE story structure guy. It’s like they grafted it from a better movie, where Dr strange’s journey is more defined from “Winning is everything” to “there is strength in losing”.
I heard the reason Tilda Swinton was cast as "The Ancient One" had more had to do with China being a MAJOR overseas market for Hollywood movies and they did not want to cast an Asian as the role because The Ancient One in the comics is specifically Tibetan. And they didn't want to cause a ban by the Chinese Government..
Michael Giacchino's Star Trek score also appeared when he did the score for a Transformers spin off series called Transformers Prime in 2010-12, between the 3rd and 4th movies. It was also the same freaking score!
Yeah it's ridiculous how overused the same film scores are. It's unfortunate that the audience doesn't demand more but I guess people don't really care. Temp scores are shitty and Doctor Strange is another example of them re-using a score
12:20 the reason they had you see the special effects in the beginning was actually a clue. When Strange and Mordu go into the mirror dimension in New York Mordu tells Strange a very important fact about how the bad guys are able to do those changing things. It made you go "WAIT, I remember The Ancient One doing that too! How then?" which leads to an important detail of the plot that Strange later discovers.
Sometimes, when I wanna make an MCU run, but am to lazy to watch some MCU movies, I just binge RLM's MCU reviews :3 It's best of both world. Still get to see some nice scenes and sometimes you even get a Rich Evans :)
I really liked the movie, though I went in with almost no expectations. The visuals were great, the casting was spot-on, and the final confrontation was really clever (one man can't actually kill a being that composes an entire dimension) and didn't rely on mass destruction (in fact, as mentioned, it was the reversal of mass destruction). I thought Kaisillius (or whatever) was an adequate villain for an origin story because his backstory helped deliver exposition about the world that we needed to know more about. He wasn't that smart or powerful, he was adequately mediocre for a hero that is still 'figuring it out'.
MARVEL Studios movies are like getting fast food from a chain restaurant. You always know what you're gonna get, because it's always the same thing. Sometimes it hits you just right (Guardians of the Galaxy), other times you end up on the toilet all night (IRON MAN 3), but most of the time it's just more of the bland, same old thing (ANT-MAN).
You guys mention the music around 16:45 check out one frame a painting he talks about music in movies and how similar most are becoming because of temp scores
Dammit, now I can't stop imagining how awesome it would have been to have Hugh Laurie as Doctor Strange. That would have been amazing!! But Then you know who the end villain would be in that instance... Lupus.
Glad you reviewed this, I was curious to see how much I was channeling your assessment when I found myself thinking in the theater that the ending was "clever" because he "didn't just punch things." I had fun with this movie but it does suffer from some of the same things that most of the Marvel movies do.
Jesus I waited till I watched the film which I did like 10 months ago on a plane and the take that Rachel McAdams is there just to give Doctor Strange a case of the Not-Gays is one of the best things I've ever heard
I noticed the music too. All they changed was maybe a couple of chords. It's practically the exact same song. I know because I have the Star Trek theme on my iPod.
It's not so much about boring villains but rather how each movie is a copy/paste near doomsday scenario where the odds are stacked against our heroes but that doesn't matter because comic books cliches. I want to see a comic inspired by G.R.R. Martin where shit hits the fan for real and there are actual threats, and consequences which go beyond piano-music reminiscing.
This movie was a safe way to tell a crazy story, a boring way to tell a bonkers story. I think they tried to tone down the psychedelic weirdness and cosmic magic for a broader audience.
I'm glad Mike said something about the music. During the closing credits, I leaned over to my wife and said, "This is just the new Star Trek theme played on a synthesizer." She looked at me like I was crazy.
I'm terrified I had the exact same reaction as Mike. I'm usually on board with Jay`s opinion. Except I have a huge crush on Mads Mikkelson so I was okay with his blandness. He`s pretty so it distracted me from my boredom.
Kudos to Mike for that perfect on-the-fly Simpsons reference. Damn that was nice. I don't think he even knew he was gonna say "Speilbergo" until it came out of his mouth.
I noticed the music while watching Doctor Strange on Friday. I tried to tell my husband, and even played the Star Trek theme for him right after the movie. He refused to recognize they were basically the same song. So glad that other people noticed it too, and I'm NOT crazy...
The reality is it's not really gaining strength in the academic world. It's gaining strength in the lesser soft-science departments like gender studies, communication, history, and sociology. The moment you increase the academic rigor even slightly these people disappear. Just an example: in psychology departments the world over are pointing out that their ideas about microaggressions and safe spaces are literally violating basic principles of cognitive behavioral therapy by reinforcing dichotomous thinking, catastrophizing, and group polarization. The primary issue is that these dismal science departments that are objectively the least useful and least marketable out of all academic programs also have astronomically high rates of attendance compared to more rigorous fields of study because they are so easy, require absolutely no level of higher-order thinking skills (literally: listen-and-believe), and are basically expensive day-care centers for adults. If you think I'm exaggerating about how any drooling invalid can be qualified to publish on gender studies in their *most prestigious* academic journals as long as they toe to ideological line, look up the Sokal Affair.
It's the idea of Asian medicine being stereotyped as "Other" or "Mystical", and how a white guy and a white woman (who in the comics is a old Tibetan guy) are the best at it. Which... Yeah... has some potential issues, but the film tries to be rather multicultural about the whole thing and there's that gag that "we aren't savages" which, while funny and maybe a bit much with the rest of the humour, is an attempt at saying these guys aren't just mystical, they do have connections and interests in more things. I think it's something worth looking at and discussing, but I also don't think it's something to get massively offended with. Analysis over outrage, I say.
I noticed this too! That they used a bit of the Star Trek music during Dr. Strange. When I first heard it in that movie, I was like "wait a second that sounds very familiar?". I think they played it when Wong was showing him the eye of augamoto's powers in that chamber. I later checked back with the Star Trek end credits music and it was the same.
So, as a person who has a nearly eidetic memory, he played the role well. Like, I understand, he didn't experience any real hardship in switching from one frame of mind to the other. But like, I took chemistry in University because I had never taken it before. By the end of the class, I was tutoring other students. When I took my Physics II or whatever class final, it was like "yawn, I can do this, I just need two logarithm table calculations"... I ended up borrowing a calculator for just two out of X the number of questions in the final. I understand it seems crazy, and easy for him, but in this scenario... he pulled it off exactly accurate to us weird mofos in real life, for whom all comes stupid easy.
Mike you made a great point about looking for a villain that you just want to hate. Makes me think of Tarantino movies, where he really makes you hate his villains. The Marvel Universe could use a does of that. Loki has been the only real villain even worth mildly disliking.
So glad they talk about the score! it is a slight variation of the star trek theme being played at the credits before the mid credits scene, just a very slight variation on the theme.
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Doctor Strange, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Believe in Magic
jacob crist Peter Sellers is just fantastic as the nurse, Wong and of course Dr Strange. That man sure has some range
I kind of wish they'd made that joke in the movie.
Strange Magic
Oh don't you know?
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A major positive for me was that there were no drone armies or sky-beams.
Yeah it didn't have these elements. Just a generic, by the book comic book movie that is rushed and has recycled characters.
Yes instead we got loads and loads and loads of CGI color barf
You’re gonna hate Spider-Man Far From Home if you don’t already.
Nor even a single "Girl Who Is The Key to Everything".
Just lead to massive potholes later on. But I'm okay with that.
They changed the ancient one to white woman, because in the comics the ancient one was Tibetan and if you had a Tibetan in your movie, Chinese cinema is gonna be like "no, no".
+ the clay carl And yet there was nothing to stop them from keeping the character Asian.
Yeah, it would have been awesome if they had chosen an asian woman for the role - that could have avoided stereotypes *and* whitewashing while also giving girls and asian kids a cool role model.
And it would have made the movie less ridiculous IMO. Bald Tilda Swinton was just really conspicuous in that role and I couldn't take her seriously at all.
I think Americans are the only ones who didn't care about white washing.. hence the issue
Idoldis@ster your understanding of America is hilariously ignorant.
The ancient one was also a man in the comics
Jay and Mike are so useful for my moviegoing choices. If Mike is bored and hates it and Jay likes it, then I know it's a good romp. If both like it I know it's areally good movie. If Mike likes it but Jay thinks it's meh, then it's the worst piece of shit movie ever made. If both dislike, then it's just boring and pointless.
jesus this is so spot on
How about the original star trek films? From what I recall Jay isn't a big fan of them but most are still great movies.
+James Moseley waaay too much subjectivity in mike's reviews the past 6 months. everything is just a 'feeling' now and I 'just' liked/disliked so and so. jay continues to be much more level headed and judges movies from a broader perspective and keeps things in context.
+donnie d Mike kind of seems like he's turning into Mr. Plinkett a little bit. Kind of like how he spent about 75% of the Force Awakens review being mad about diversity, he also takes the first five minutes of this review to complain about the media, again. Jay had to basically drag him off his soap box and back onto topic.
+Brian U seriously. wtf was that force awakens review...
"Then he would be doctor queer not doctor strange." I can't even pretend that wasn't genius.
Dingle Danglson Doctor Vagina?
hilarious
"I want Kurt Russell saying crazy things" Cut to Guardians 2
Is it weird that I get more excited for Half in the Bag episodes then seeing the actual movie? My life has become a hollow shell of internet memes!
Not our fault that we get more character here then in most movies that are reviewed.
"THINGS I KNOW"
Yes.
100 % mate!
No.... you meta-commenting on it isn't even that weird... just a bit desperate and needy.
"maaaan I'm checkin out.." story of my life
In one of the early drafts, the movie was supposed to take place over the course of pre-Incredible Hulk to the present day, more explicitly demonstrating that Strange's training took a long time. Don't know why they didn't stick with that concept.
Because Marvel rushes everything despite waiting like 7 years to do an Infinity Saga
George Lucas literally seems like two different people to me when I see clips like that compared to the behind the scenes of the prequels.
Someday Disney will put a robotic George Lucas in each Parks Star Wars Land and it will talk about how dazzled he was by the New Star Wars since he sold it and until the day he died.
Billions of dollars will change ya.
Probably because his wife hasn't left him yet
Lucas grew to hate SW fans during the prequels, especially after ROTS when they ended. I am pretty sure everything he has done since has been in service of frustrating them endlessly.
Every scene is so dense.
Fuck the origins of Doctor Strange, I want to know the origins of the joke about Mike in the roller-coaster cart
So as you can see here, these fine hardwood floors are just gre- "BANG" "BANG"
It took THREE replies to get an actual answer here? xD
Two replies
Whatever. Shut up.
Jacob Thornlow Two replies and a schizophrenic episode.
'Wong is the key to all this"
Priceless
Mike is totally right about how the humor is completly outside the character. In the comics, Strange is serious as fuck. I remember very few moments of levity from his comics (The Oath, for example).
Duilio Murai That's a problem with marvel movies they tend to make all their characters into Robert Downey basically
Duilio Murai
Sad they switch character for humor.
Strange has plenty of funny moments in the comics. He's not Spiderman, but he's got jokes.
We don't really see Strange be funny in the movie very often. Most of the humor comes from: His cape, Wong, the black guy, other characters.
Duilio Murai
From what I recall, most of the humor related to Dr. Strange comes from other characters interacting with him. More often than not he's the straight man, like when he showed up in Deadpool: Dead Presidents and he refused to forgive Benjamin Franklin's ghost for sleeping with his wife in the 60s.
I can't imagine the comic's Strange making jokes like the one about Beyonce. However, the ending highlights the main qualities wich makes him one of my favorites Marvel heroes, so I was more than satisfied overall.
“From visionary director guy I’ve never heard of”
Love it when Mike goes full blue coollar
I find it really bizarre considering that they have a movie reviews channel. I mean, that director he is referring to is Zhang Yimou. I don't even believe that Mike doesn't know who Zhang Yimou is, I think he must have been just joking. But it still shocks me. As much as I like these guys for their sense of humor and general demeanor, I just can't understand that the range of movies they watch and talk about is so America-centric and so narrow.
Chill dude, not everyone pretends to be a international film elitist like you
@@frankmerker630 he could have summed up all that Yakity-yak with "these guys are hack frauds."
@@jvjjjvvv9157 Do you find it bizarre when they make poop, fart, and elderly jokes?
@@frankmerker630 there’s being an “international film elitist” and then there’s “knowing who zhang yimou is”. these are not the same thing. being aware of the guy who directed hero and house of flying daggers is not the same as being some cinephile snob - these are very well-known action movies that most people with even a cursory knowledge of cinema is aware of.
***SPOILER***
Considering what we learn about the Ancient One's age, I took the weird reference to her ethnicity as "Celtic" to mean she was an actual Celt - you know, like from Roman times.
The Celtic one, from glasgow!
They said she was Celtic in the movie.
The ancient one is from... the ancient ones.
@Descartes' Apparition it's been around for about as long as human civilisation has been around.
In regards to Inception, I'm pretty sure he wanted the dreams grounded so it would it make the audience unsure if it was in a dream or not. Like at the beginning when Leo was taken to the old Asian man's fortress, we didn't know it was a dream then thus creating a neat twist later. It's stylistically designed to be that way.
But I can see where Jay is coming from.
Is it weird that I found this movie the best Marvel movie since The Winter Soldier? I thought Strange's character was really well written and I actually gave a fuck about the villain this time around. The main weakness for me was the underwritten love interest. You could take her out and you still have Strange's drive to fix himself.
Seprix yah agreed. It was actually a breath of fresh air with respect to its deviation from the recent super hero norms. I was feeling burned out but felt great after this one.
*****
Yeah. I mean, all of the points made by RLM are valid and would have made this movie even better, but I didn't think it was as blah as they're playing it.
The unnecessary humor is my main issue with the movie, besides that, I loved it.
Its far worse than Guardians of the Galaxy, not even close in my opinion. Winter Soldier is also much better, the rest is probably worse, but this is not saying to much. I can not believe, they fucked up a movie with mads mikkelsen and benedict cumberbatch in the main roles. How is this even possible?
This movie was great tbh.
Jay's "hmmm" is one of the greatest things, it has a thousand different meanings.
I definitely noticed the Star Trek music thing immediately, AND I'm so glad you said he sounded like Hugh Laurie. High five.
I noticed the Star Trek music too (although I could not place it at the time). I was quite disappointed. I quite liked the music in the trailer.
I had to pause the video to stop laughing when jay dropped "eggs benedict cabbage patch" on me.
Cassius I adore your comment.
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I absolutely noticed the Star Trek music too
Gabriel Peraza Same here
The melody's almost exactly the same!
I didn't... I quite like Giacchino's Star Trek theme, while I thought the music in this film was absolute shit, so the connection didn't even occur to me.
the main theme starts off almost identical to the Harry Potter theme too, and then turns into Star Trek. really distracting.
I thought I was losing it when I noticed that.
"I miss movies from the 70's and 80's!"
...I think Mike just summed up 90% of RLM's videos
Am I the only one who hasnt even been watching comic book movies the past few years? I get more entertainment out of the half in the bag reviews than I would out of the actual movies.
arbitor365 aren't you a special little snowflake
Chris YTFC A-fucking-men
I haven't seen movies in general in a while, really ought to make use of that netflix sub.
Watch Dredd, that was a good one. Probably because it wasn't made on the production line that is the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Mac I saw Dredd when it came out. That was great. I kinda forgot that was based on a comic book.
The psychedelic 60s scene that Jay mentions includes one of Pink Floyd's earliest songs, Interstellar Overdrive, recorded in 1966. It's there because all the guys in Floyd love Doctor Strange, whom they mention in the lyrics to another of their songs, Cymbeline. It's a great and fun hats off moment for those who've long been fans of either the band or comic book character.
I noticed the Star Trek music 100%. It was so similar I thought it was temp music that they left in.
You forgot Kungfu Panda!
Tilda Swinton as Oogway, the master who sees potential in a student but then dies voluntarily in a puff of cherry blossoms. Mads Mikkelsen as Tai Lung, the former student who returns seeking a document and is defeated by a trick that the master didn't teach him but the protagonist figured out on his own by studying that same document.
Like how Hans Zimmer took his score from Gladiator and dropped it in Pirates Of The Caribbean.
Dude. I kid you not 2 days ago I was watching gladiator and the second I heard the score I checked out pirates score and it's not even trying to hide the fact that they are carbon copies of each other. Nice catch
Dr. Strange? More like Dr. Safe!
Mystery Face X lol
*Doctor Safelove*, or How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Use Protection
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They changed the Ancient One's identity not to avoid a stereotype, but because they wanted to release the film in China. Keeping the Ancient One a Tibetan monk put that plan at risk.
@Livebird
Because nobody could tell the difference.
Because then American SJWs would bitch about it. Except they bitch about everything. But some companies still labor under the delusion they can be appeased. It's easier to reason with the Tibet-hating Chinese than with the spoiled rich kid SJWs, lol.
***** Recasting the Ancient One as Chinese might have worked for China, but it could have had very ugly fallout elsewhere. China has long claimed Tibet as part of its territory, and have been threatening, beating, and jailing Tibetan protesters for years. Tibetan monks have gone as far as to literally set themselves on fire, committing suicide by self-immolation, in protest of various Chinese actions.
Recasting a Tibetan monk as a Chinese character would be a bit more extreme than just ignoring the whole Tibet issue the way the world largely does.
I'm not sure I buy this argument. I've seen Tibetan monk characters in Chinese films.
+ BainesMkII They could have still kept the Ancient One Asian, though.
The Star Trek composer Michael "Geonosis" is doing the Rogue One score. What a coincidence!
Is [insert criminal's name here] replacing Rich Evans.
"eggs Benedict cabbage patch" YOU CAN SO TELL JAY WAS LAUGHING AS HE WAS SAYING IT
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everyframeapainting did a video about Marvel's lack of memorable music, in which they compared where many of the tracks came from to the one on the Marvel movies
Destructive Blade yeah that was a great vid. Didn't realise how widespread the issue was across the film industry.
i was going to say that too. everyframeapainting is worth checking out.
Then why do tears come out of my eye when i recognised the avengers theme in the avengers infinity war trailer?
Because you have associated a bad theme with something you love?? lol
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Saw it 2 days ago, enjoyed it a lot. Loved the special effects, the setting, the costumes, etc. I'd say it's in my top 5 Marvel movies. I was also pretty happy that they didn't draw out the romance subplot.
Tricikloplots I hope you get this on your youtube feed, because honestly it still holds up and I love it a lot. It gets way way better with multiple viewings. It wasnt the same old contrived bullshit huge marvel ending, because he won soley due to making a simple bargain instead of fighting.
Top 5. This, Winter Soldier, and Civil War (now infinity war obviously) and Iron Man will go down in time as being this good.
I extremely love this movie
Agree. The more I watch this film,the more I like it. Easily one of the best Marvel films out there. My top 5 is pretty much identical to yours.
One more for the unpopular opinion gang: Doctor Strange was a great movie. It could have had more twists in the overall plot, but it's one of the strongest thematically in the entire MCU. And I don't watch for visuals - I hated Endgame the second time around, hell if I care.
My top five in no particular order: Thor Ragnarok, Guardians 2, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man Far from Home. Guardians 1 and Iron Man 1 and 3 are close behind.
let me guess:
"yeah it's FIIIINE. I LIIIIIKED it..."
wow. I fucking hate nerds.
oh gosh me too, when will they learn to just love things?
self hatred is a terrible thing
DanceLikeANitwit y'caught me
Sherlock Holmes plays Gregory House plays Harry Potter.
I have been watching all of the half in the bag episodes, and I notice that Mike and Jay's standards for what is an acceptable movie has been getting lower and lower. Nowadays a positive review is like "It is a movie with characters, a three-act structure, a plot, and it does not look like garbage; Four Stars, must see."
Well, when the entertainment industry give you garbage, you gotta make garbageade.
Mordalon *boom*
Andy Baxter what do you mean? They've always been like that. even in the first episodes the cut off for a recommendation was very low
As an Irish person, I'd like to thank you for using realistic photos of normal Irish people at 22:06 and not some stereotypical insulting images
because Americans have the most obese people per capita and a less healthy diet on average.
we're a much larger sample. and then you compare dieting trends and its very obvious that capitalism has bled its way into American arteries. everything down to our bread has added sugar. that's not even going into our ridiculous sodium intake and high in cholesterol foods but that clarifies why heart disease is a bigger killer in America than cancer.
And I honestly couldn't care less about how other countries are either slightly less, or more terrible than us... my judgment isn't on a curve. The average American diet is terrible.
and that's totally ignoring your "native american and ethnic populations" comment. if you're gonna lean into stereotypes they don't call it "trailer trash" for nothing. don't throw stones
Whatever about the first image you can't really complain about them using a picture of the Gooch.
White people can't be the victims of stereotype's or racism apparently. Or so I've been told.
I enjoy how Mike is slowly turning against the political correctness histeria writing scripts and movie articles nowadays.
Everyone is. Even liberal left-wingers. Because it's turning into sinister authoritarian bullshit.
+Andy Brice Gods, I hope you don't think liberalism is this PC shite. It's usually more the antithesis of PC as in 'do what ya want as long as you don't hurt anyone'. EH.
Washable Burrito No totally. I'm a left-leaning liberal and I abhor that the liberal left is being taken over by these narcissistic, self-righteous, authoritarian, Marxist radicals, using shame as a weapon.
We need to take it back.
The problem is that the left hijacked the word "liberal."
Andy Brice I'm glad people are realizing that we do not need freedom of speech for cake recipies. We need freedom of speech EXACTLY for the ideas that will upset people.
21:25 Jay, it's because The Ancient One is an old, Tibetan monk in the comics, but because Marvel Films are very popular in China and China hates Tibet. The studios felt there movie wouldn't do well financially in China if they cast a Tibetan actor in that role. Although, that choice doesn't legitimise the casting of Tilda Swinton as the Ancient One, who is a Celtic female - as that is nothing like the character from the comics, I don't dislike their choice, I enjoyed Tilda's performance very much, it's just that her casting is so far flung from what the character is that it's easily misunderstood as White-washing, feminism etc. The point is her acting is very good, nothing against her as a performer, but her casting was surprising if you know the portrayal of the Ancient One from original 1960's Marvel comic books onwards.
Completely agree, the change though noticed doesn't matter THAT MUCH... what was a bigger issue... is the removal of the April Strange story line... which felt absent in the live action movie and would have legitimized some of Doctor Strange's actions early on... and would have given the scene where he was tempted a lot more significance had the villian stated dormammu would bring back their loved ones... (as the villian also had people who had died)
But that's not a safe bet script
JonnyLightning it was relatively safe as the animated version doing well is what inspired the live action Doctor Strange Movie in the first place. (the animated story somewhat went down the narrative i already described).
I have to agree with Jay for this movie - I found Mike's assessments spot on in the previous movies in particular with the disgraceful decline of DC movie script quality. "Dr Strange" is taking Marvel superheroes movie up a visual notch - the cgi for once is not the usual chaotic uncreative mess as Michael Bay and Zack Snyder wielded them. Agree with Mike that movie soundtracks are so interchangeable except for a few exceptional composers - I can't believe they practically recycled parts of the new Star Trek theme. Always a pleasure listening to both your banters. Much love and appreciation from Singapore! PS. Jay is pure eye candy. That is a bonus for me for your show. LOL!
The rock music is a cliche about surgeons having their personal music playing when they are operating on people. They touched on it with Strange knowing all the songs one of the nurses was playing.
Decided to watch Doctor Mordrid after rewatching this video today. How the hell did Jay call that movie "boring"? Seeing the Re-Animator himself as Dr. Strange fighting Shao Kahn for control of the communism medallion had me on the edge of my seat!
My god, would you do up your shirt pockets! Mike's is one undone, one done up. Make up your mind, Mike!
Jay's are both unbuttoned!
This is madness!
Maaaaaadnesssss!
breghlaaaarrrgh!
Ahhhhhh! (This game is fun) Ahhhhhhhh!
How embarrassing!
"I stood on my scale, and it said 'one at a time, please!'" haha
No the “I gotta go bye” is way more baller than “I can show you the worlddd”
Mind blowing visual effects and great acting weighed down by the most formulaic origin story since... Ant Man.
That final confrontation is probably only so good because they roped in Dan Harmon and he’s a HUGE story structure guy. It’s like they grafted it from a better movie, where Dr strange’s journey is more defined from
“Winning is everything” to “there is strength in losing”.
I heard the reason Tilda Swinton was cast as "The Ancient One" had more had to do with China being a MAJOR overseas market for Hollywood movies and they did not want to cast an Asian as the role because The Ancient One in the comics is specifically Tibetan. And they didn't want to cause a ban by the Chinese Government..
I'm surprised you guys didn't compare this movie to The Shadow (1994)
Frank Dantuono Well the shadow seemed more comfortably accessible.
"thousands of hairless freaks call for boycott"
I actually lol'd at that
One of their few videos with chapters dividing the video into segments, I love it.
Michael Giacchino's Star Trek score also appeared when he did the score for a Transformers spin off series called Transformers Prime in 2010-12, between the 3rd and 4th movies. It was also the same freaking score!
really? lol
Yeah it's ridiculous how overused the same film scores are. It's unfortunate that the audience doesn't demand more but I guess people don't really care. Temp scores are shitty and Doctor Strange is another example of them re-using a score
12:20 the reason they had you see the special effects in the beginning was actually a clue. When Strange and Mordu go into the mirror dimension in New York Mordu tells Strange a very important fact about how the bad guys are able to do those changing things. It made you go "WAIT, I remember The Ancient One doing that too! How then?" which leads to an important detail of the plot that Strange later discovers.
I'm so glad that Mike called out the music score being 99.9 percent the same as the Star Trek: The Star Trek theme.
Sometimes, when I wanna make an MCU run, but am to lazy to watch some MCU movies, I just binge RLM's MCU reviews :3
It's best of both world. Still get to see some nice scenes and sometimes you even get a Rich Evans :)
I really liked the movie, though I went in with almost no expectations. The visuals were great, the casting was spot-on, and the final confrontation was really clever (one man can't actually kill a being that composes an entire dimension) and didn't rely on mass destruction (in fact, as mentioned, it was the reversal of mass destruction). I thought Kaisillius (or whatever) was an adequate villain for an origin story because his backstory helped deliver exposition about the world that we needed to know more about. He wasn't that smart or powerful, he was adequately mediocre for a hero that is still 'figuring it out'.
MARVEL Studios movies are like getting fast food from a chain restaurant. You always know what you're gonna get, because it's always the same thing. Sometimes it hits you just right (Guardians of the Galaxy), other times you end up on the toilet all night (IRON MAN 3), but most of the time it's just more of the bland, same old thing (ANT-MAN).
FINALLY! Someone mentions the similarities with the Star Trek theme, yes!
The first 3 minutes of this video had me rolling. Thank you for getting me through quarantine with your hilariously, entertaining videos.
You guys mention the music around 16:45 check out one frame a painting he talks about music in movies and how similar most are becoming because of temp scores
Dammit, now I can't stop imagining how awesome it would have been to have Hugh Laurie as Doctor Strange. That would have been amazing!! But Then you know who the end villain would be in that instance...
Lupus.
I'm the first upvote? -- Pearls before swine ;-)
JAY AND MIKE, I'VE COME TO BARGAIN
Glad you reviewed this, I was curious to see how much I was channeling your assessment when I found myself thinking in the theater that the ending was "clever" because he "didn't just punch things." I had fun with this movie but it does suffer from some of the same things that most of the Marvel movies do.
i noticed the music as well instantly, in the last scene
most certaintly star trek
William check out Every Frame a Painting, he has a great video on temp music
William giacchino is one of the few good composers doing Hollywood movies, his Pixar scores are brilliant
Bing Bong
That Doctor Queer line is still funny, and still kills at parties 😂
In these trying times we don't need such inappropriate jokes
I love how Jay almost lost it when he said "eggs Benedict cabbagepatch"
Funny they mention 60's album covers, Pink Floyd's A Saucerful of Secrets has a cutout from a Doctor Strange comic on it
MIKE!!!! I NOTICED THE STAR TREK MUSIC TOO!!!! hahahahah I'm so glad I wasn't the only one.
I watched this while doing laundry.
I can barely tell these marvel movies apart anymore.
Jesus I waited till I watched the film which I did like 10 months ago on a plane and the take that Rachel McAdams is there just to give Doctor Strange a case of the Not-Gays is one of the best things I've ever heard
You know what else was visually stunning? Star Trek: The Motion Picture. *YAWN*
So was First Contact, The Search For Spock and The Wrath of Khan.
Thank you for noticing the House similarities as well as the Star Trek theme. SAME DUDE and it rang in my head everytime! You the man mike!
Lol at the pic of the 'irish guy' he's one of the best ever Gaelic players
I noticed the music too. All they changed was maybe a couple of chords. It's practically the exact same song. I know because I have the Star Trek theme on my iPod.
No mention of Darth Maul in this movie?
Best part was Jay trying to read a description of the film at the beginning and laughing his ass of
It's not so much about boring villains but rather how each movie is a copy/paste near doomsday scenario where the odds are stacked against our heroes but that doesn't matter because comic books cliches. I want to see a comic inspired by G.R.R. Martin where shit hits the fan for real and there are actual threats, and consequences which go beyond piano-music reminiscing.
Theres a comic called Squadron Supreme that you might like
I totally picked up on the Star Trek theme all over the soundtrack.
This movie was a safe way to tell a crazy story, a boring way to tell a bonkers story. I think they tried to tone down the psychedelic weirdness and cosmic magic for a broader audience.
I'm glad Mike said something about the music. During the closing credits, I leaned over to my wife and said, "This is just the new Star Trek theme played on a synthesizer." She looked at me like I was crazy.
I'm terrified I had the exact same reaction as Mike. I'm usually on board with Jay`s opinion.
Except I have a huge crush on Mads Mikkelson so I was okay with his blandness. He`s pretty so it distracted me from my boredom.
Doctor Strange: Or How I Stopped Worrying and Loved to Bargain
time to see whats my opinion on this film
Kudos to Mike for that perfect on-the-fly Simpsons reference. Damn that was nice. I don't think he even knew he was gonna say "Speilbergo" until it came out of his mouth.
I respect my boys opinion. But I actually really enjoyed this flick.
At least one of the non-diegetic (but also diegetic) pop songs used in the film is aesthetically informed- Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive."
I really enjoyed dr strange in infinity war. That scene where there was a hundred dr strange clones. Freaking awesome!
I noticed the music while watching Doctor Strange on Friday. I tried to tell my husband, and even played the Star Trek theme for him right after the movie. He refused to recognize they were basically the same song. So glad that other people noticed it too, and I'm NOT crazy...
So you can only turn to the medicine of the country you're born in?
Exactly now you're getting it you racist piece of shit, STICK TO YOUR OWN DAMN MEDICINE
If using eastern medicine is cultural appropriation then any non-Germans using aspirin better stop real quick. Racist aspirin taking mother fuckers.
The Middle East is RAPING the West by appropriating our medicine!! No brown people in our hospitals!!
The reality is it's not really gaining strength in the academic world. It's gaining strength in the lesser soft-science departments like gender studies, communication, history, and sociology. The moment you increase the academic rigor even slightly these people disappear. Just an example: in psychology departments the world over are pointing out that their ideas about microaggressions and safe spaces are literally violating basic principles of cognitive behavioral therapy by reinforcing dichotomous thinking, catastrophizing, and group polarization.
The primary issue is that these dismal science departments that are objectively the least useful and least marketable out of all academic programs also have astronomically high rates of attendance compared to more rigorous fields of study because they are so easy, require absolutely no level of higher-order thinking skills (literally: listen-and-believe), and are basically expensive day-care centers for adults. If you think I'm exaggerating about how any drooling invalid can be qualified to publish on gender studies in their *most prestigious* academic journals as long as they toe to ideological line, look up the Sokal Affair.
It's the idea of Asian medicine being stereotyped as "Other" or "Mystical", and how a white guy and a white woman (who in the comics is a old Tibetan guy) are the best at it.
Which... Yeah... has some potential issues, but the film tries to be rather multicultural about the whole thing and there's that gag that "we aren't savages" which, while funny and maybe a bit much with the rest of the humour, is an attempt at saying these guys aren't just mystical, they do have connections and interests in more things.
I think it's something worth looking at and discussing, but I also don't think it's something to get massively offended with.
Analysis over outrage, I say.
Dr. Queer joke killlllled me! Hahaha!
"Thank you, Rachel McAdams, for helping me get back into the closet."
I noticed this too! That they used a bit of the Star Trek music during Dr. Strange. When I first heard it in that movie, I was like "wait a second that sounds very familiar?". I think they played it when Wong was showing him the eye of augamoto's powers in that chamber. I later checked back with the Star Trek end credits music and it was the same.
So, as a person who has a nearly eidetic memory, he played the role well. Like, I understand, he didn't experience any real hardship in switching from one frame of mind to the other. But like, I took chemistry in University because I had never taken it before. By the end of the class, I was tutoring other students.
When I took my Physics II or whatever class final, it was like "yawn, I can do this, I just need two logarithm table calculations"... I ended up borrowing a calculator for just two out of X the number of questions in the final.
I understand it seems crazy, and easy for him, but in this scenario... he pulled it off exactly accurate to us weird mofos in real life, for whom all comes stupid easy.
Mike you made a great point about looking for a villain that you just want to hate. Makes me think of Tarantino movies, where he really makes you hate his villains. The Marvel Universe could use a does of that. Loki has been the only real villain even worth mildly disliking.
Holy f**k, Mike is right, the song from Doctor Strange is a lazy rewrite of the new Star Trek theme.
Also 24:21 "Benedict Cumberbunch" LOL
Giacchino also did the soundtrack for UP, which people recall as accompanying that heartbreaking scene in the first 5 minutes.
"Visionary director you've never heard of"
He's Zhang Yimou! Have you not watched Hero?
I've seen Big Hero 6. Does that count?
Exactly. He's Zhang Yimou, who the fuck is that?
The Uncanny One Lol I'm not sure... Carlos is right...
darkcarnage1234 No, that is the 6th chapter of the franchise, and the lamest.
His best imo. The color in that film is incredible.
So glad they talk about the score! it is a slight variation of the star trek theme being played at the credits before the mid credits scene, just a very slight variation on the theme.