Non-drone folks will never understand the feeling of losing video signal when out of LOS. It should get its own name and recognized as an actual emotion.
And thats part of the thrill of longrange, the feeling u get when u lose video feed and the feeling u get when u get it back. Ive lost many planes and im sure I’ll be losing more in the future. Loved this video
It happened to me last year flying above Mount Tanay! I didn't know I must look at where I was from the view of the drone so I can see how the surroundings look like. I flew for 2-3 miles and when I turned around, I almost fainted. I was like "These are all trees! Where did I launched from." LOL. I followed the arrow and luckily the GPS was perfect. Someone also watching me told me "I can hear your drone on the left." I was so happy that I didnt' lose it. :)
Great example for challenges of long range fpv flight, thank you for sharing, I am learning a lot from your flights. Good that you got your quad back to base. I am also starting to pursue long range flights and I am also experiencing that it is actually quite easy to get disorintated on unkown terrain and thus I am now on new spot always do some warm up flights to get familiar with some navigation landmarks... keep rocking the sky!
Thanks for watching. Yes, exactly, in the future at new sites I will always do a short warm up flight to get a visual minds eye of the area. So I dont have to rely on GPS to find home.
Glad I found your channel. LR is so exciting. I've never been further than 1km and that was terrifying. Your video combining all the different sources and commentary is A+.
Hi. Thks for the kind words. These videos are harder to film and edit but I like sharing the experience so we all can learn and share our experiences. More to come..a new crazy video will be posted today.
Thanks for watching and the kind words. I got lucky. The other day I flew the same flight and my VTX went out on me.. and had another near crash.. I will be replacing my VTX in my quad now.
Awesome video! I love your content! Your spotter is an absolute legend as well!! I could watch you two do narrated LR flights all day. GPS rescue saved the day for sure. It saved me once when my DJI screen froze for a few seconds. Now all my quads have it and I always commit the first battery of the day to familiarize myself with the area and safe “dump spots”. Looking forward to more of you two. Safe flying gents!
@@ValleyFPV yes please!!! Literally just spent the morning watching your vids in the background on my second screen while I worked lol. Make sure you buy your spotter a beer/ coffee/ soda. He’s a national treasure!
@@travis.stevens I feed him peanuts. Lol. He's a good guy. Thks for watching.. More crazy flight videos are in post production and coming this weekend.
Great video and nice to see the quad return home in one piece - you always learn a thing or two from flights like this. When you have directional antennas, it is always a good idea to keep tilting your head when video goes bad. And may be you could have stayed in the rescue mode a bit longer when you activated it for the first time on the way back - it could have given the quad the right heading, a better video and may be it would have helped realizing where home is. I have never done long range but I fly my 5 inch like 1-1.5 kilometer away sometimes. I have an omnidirectional vtx antenna and 800mW of vtx power.
Yeah, i've learned to do #1. Especially as mine doesn't have GPS so i need to always know my way back. Sometimes i take off, turn around after just a few seconds, and already lost sight of my launch site. First couple of batteries is always doing some proximity flying around the trees so i can spend fifteen minutes looking around the site.
Love this channel... When I first got crossfire, I tried to fly about a mile out on a 5" with no gps. I couldn't find my way back, video started getting very fuzzy where I thought home was, and battery was getting low. I panicked. I eventually got it back and learned many lessons.
@@PropGuru702 As video got fuzzy, I changed directions to try and get the best reception. Eventually I spotted a landmark I recognized and going my way back... I learned to always spot landmarks along my flight path as I'm flying away from myself.
@@madhatter8088 nice. I'm sure that's a helluva relief haha. I recently got an I.RC vortex 285. Seeing as how It is my first FPV quad I am still only practicing on free flight simulator while i try to find a suitable GPS with RTH functionality so incase I do get a bit wild, I have some sort of rescue plan haha it has the labeled UART jack for a gps but can't really sift through and find one that I can trust and won't cost a kidney
@@PropGuru702 My first fpv drone was the Vortex 150. That thing was a tank and so much fun to fly.. For now I would just enjoy what you have and get use to flying. Vortex are really nice.. For my first long range gps drone, I got a Flywoo Explorer 4". It was around $200 ready to go and already set up.
Man !! that was scary !! my hands was sweating just seeing no video on your FPV screen, it was like a suspense movie !!! thanks for sharing your tips at the end of the video, you have a super nice RIG , and yes, one helical and one omni so to get stuff behind and from the sides. Best. R.
That's why you don't fly BF on LR quads. Betaflight doesn't use the magnetometer at all, and that's why you got lost, iNAV would follow the home direction given by the magnetometer. Glad you made it back!
Nice Video. I have been watching your videos and they are quite nice. I use iNAV especially for long range as RTH(Return To Home) feature is very handy when you are in such situations. It just gets your quad back to the exact same location (1 to 2 meters drift at max) and you can even have it configured to land. No manual intervention what so ever. . Once you hit RHT it will align itself to the home direction that way you can switch off RTH and take back the control. Just though of sharing it with you. Thanks !!
@@ValleyFPV Exiting video! Thats also my experience. With inav the quad turns to home more precise. Inav uses the magnetometer to keep track of the orientation. With that the fc knows the orientation even if the quad is not moving. Betaflight doesn´t need a magnetometer for gps rescue. It considers that the quad moves and that changes gps coordinates. From this change it calculates the direction in which it is flying. So it lags behind. And also in windy conditions where the quad gets offset by the wind it has to work harder I found. Thats how I understood it. Correct me if I´m wrong...
Awesome flight guys it’s always nice to have a spotter with extra eyes in the sky, my bro-in-law was my xtra set of eyes. Glad you made it back safely. Get points at end, LR needs lots of planning
Great Flight, hopefully someday I'll be able to make the cut like that. And yeah landmark recognition is key, specially when everything around you just looks green.
You must be very confident with your build, personally if I had to capture some long range cinematic footage, I'd only have balls to do it with a DJI drone for it's solid GPS. I'd never take my own quads further than 1km even with gps rescue!
Thanks for watching. My newer builds are much more reliable recently and I never rely on GPS return to home anymore. I study my flight paths in more detail these days.
very cool . pushing the limits of the tech!! . i took a mjx b2 2224ft high and got a great vid. somehow at a later date on another high fly when i put the sd card in my pc it went nuts like the cia were hacking me. from that time the same drone was geofenced to 300ft. thats why i gotta get into this stuff and learn to program my taranis. brilliant vid and thanks for the inspiration!! nice one !!
Having done several flights up in the mountains I'd say rule nr 1 is the most important. Nothing looks like you think it will look when you turn back home :)
@Valley FPV Nice and happy back home point - good for you. I have a question about GPS resc settings - can you share your setting of it? Thank you in advance.
Fun video, thanks for posting! I'm really enjoying following you on your FPV journey. I get those "telemetry lost" (and "sensor lost") warnings sometimes too and cant really figure it out..
The crossfire telemetry downlink only uses 40mW of power, so it might just have been too far away to reach back to the remote. When range testing crossfire, I always got the "telemetry lost" warning way before the RC connection was actually lost
Super cool, Video loss is always scary. If I'm being honest I don't much like your antenna setup... Super high gain with a fairly narrow beam.. they'd be great on a tracker, but on your head not so much(just saying most people's head will move a lot when you fly, and that doesn't pair well with a super high gain..). I've done 4 miles on 5.8 with a VAS 3turn and a triumph with almost no signal loss, and I have excellent coverage. Maybe going to a similar setup would help you a bit. I'd hate to see you lose an airframe 😬😎
Thanks for watching. They say hindsight is 20 20... I was having issues with my video feed over time degrading, was chasing a better signal.. as I had progressively worse and worse video. I went from a VAS Crosshair Xtreme to a 6 turn, to a 12 turn. Turns out that my VTX side of the system was the culprit and was degrading in its output. Now I'm going back to more reasonable receiving antennas and agree with your suggestion. I did flight the other day 3 miles with no issues after a new VTX and pigtail was put on.
Thanks for watching. Yes. indeed. I have a SUPER intense video coming in about a week, where I failsafed 3 miles out.. and then the damn thing inverted rolled, and flipped.. two times!..
Nice flight and already quite some time in the air with some nice passes for a first flight in that location! Long range is indeed sometimes scary stuff when something unexpected happens. I use inav for actual return to home, I would highly advise to also use inav since it is build around long range and has many rth options you can setup per flight to which altitude you fly in which "glide" ratio you want to go home etc. especially around mountains its very usable, when loosing any link radio or video you've a high chance of getting it back, with gps rescue it will be a defenite long hike in case of any link failing and not returning to a working state. Also, your compass indeed seemed to not work properly which made this whole ordeal happen. I would look into that, it might be because your gps is at an angle on your drone (or not but because youre flying it is at an angle and then it cant work properly). ideally the gps/compass must be at the same angle as your fpv camera, because that will be the angle you fly at. I am not sure if your able to (i am assuming you use betaflight and not inav or smth) you must also setup in your flight software you have your gps/compass at a certain angle, so at 20 degrees for example. So it knows it is at an angle and can counter that. Then the flight controller can get a clean readout from the compass. it knows the gps is at in angle and it knows from its own flightcontroller what its angle is, which should be equal when flying forward making the gps also point straight to sky most of the time. It seems to me there might somewhere a mistake with how your compass (your home point) is behaving. because it kind a works but not properly. Keep on pushing! :)
Maybe you should try the new rush tank solo on your quad. Rush is known for its high quality VTX and with it you'd have more than enough power (>1W) and a much cleaner signal.
HI, thanks for watching. Actually you have read my mind and my next step. I have 3 new Rush Tanks that are going into my existing builds, and my next LR build. I'm tired of the trash VTX's that i've been using. This vtx that I used on this video began to fail on me recently and I almost lost it again in the woods. Loss of video power almost to nothing.
I love how you've arranged the overlays in the video. Very informative. Especially like the sticks overlay. Good to know that with good directional antennae it becomes easier to search for the quad. I'm making a couple of 7 turn helical at home and hope they work well. I'm planning to use the AKK race ranger on my 7"LR. Hope it doesn't turn out to be a P. O. S 😁
I crashed a few days ago, because when triggering gps rescue I accidently switched it into stability mode and because I was so nervous I didn't really care. It came directly into my location but it was still 300m high, so I disable gps rescue and tried to descent quickly, so I lowered my throttle down to almost zero. And this was a mistake! Motors stopped and started to spin backwards and after this point it went into a roll of death (motor desync) and after 20s it crashed straight into the ground. Even moving throttle to 100% did nothing. It still rolled with 1.5A of current draw. I just couldn't wake the motors back, no matter what I did. It fortunately crashed 20m away from me into the grass. So there is one point to remember: never descent quickly when in stability mode or disable "motor stop" for stability mode, otherwise your drone will go to the roll of death. I always take off and land in stability mode so I really like this motor stop function (so when your throttle is down, the motors don't spin), but I never went into a quick and and long descent in this mode to this day. I learned something I guess :)
Thanks for watching,and sharing.. that is interesting.. your experiences. I take off and land in ACRO/AIR so never had that issue. Yes.. there are some "quirks" here and there one has to learn about the hard way.
@@ValleyFPV If my memory still works, I think I remember you saying "I'm swithching into a landing mode now" in one of your videos. I thought by saying that you really ment stability mode, but guess I got it wrong :)
@@gregor.potrebujes I may have..when I first started flying betaflight fpv quads I used to land when in stability-horizon mode. I no longer do that because I have finally learned the necessary stick control.
Atta boy! Nice LR flight and helpful commentary. If you don’t lose video, control, or both you ain’t doing long range imo lol. Crossfire telemetry is not transmitted when it dynamically switches to low update rates as I understand it. You can force telemetry but TBS advises against. Check what vrx mode and settings your RapidFire is on, as changing the mode and interval rate, depending on your vtx, can significantly improve the video sync and drops. Looking forward to you future LR missions!
THanks for watching and the info. I have my CSFR on dynamic power.. so perhaps that is causing the occasional telemetry drops, as that CSFR power adjusts. I"ll have to research the VRX interval rate, thats a new one on me. I"m using mode1 rapidfire. This hobby is a never ending cycle of tweaking and testing!
great video! would also love to purchase a long range drone .. would this also be possible with dji digital or only analog? (meaning just the air unit)
Touch and go glad landed safe trying to set.up.a.switch for GPS rescue or Aux channel keeps taking Aux 1 need that channel.to.a.quad any help cheers from cold wet uk
Yes, flights about 1-2 miles out no issues. Flights further I get the dropout of telemetry. I'm building a new LR quad and will place the CSFR antennas in different locations. Will see if that makes any change.
I am pretty sure the arrow is not behaving as it should(?) It was headed in a completely different direction even when you flew into the wrong direction for like 10 seconds. I assume this is an error with the arrow, since GPS rescue was able to send the quad in the correct direction. Interesting flight! Thanks, I learned to be wary of those instruments
@@ValleyFPV It's now a long time after the fact but this may help others experiencing the Home Arrow not being accurate. It is usually an easy fix. Go into Inav or Bf and upload your text fonts. That usually makes the Home arrow work properly
@@grahamrichter657 go to OSD page, bottom right of page and click Font Manager, on the font page ‘default’ will be selected for you, then at the bottom of that box click Upload Font. Hope that hlps
Thanks for watching. When this video was made I used the ORT 6 turn helicals sold by Blacksheep. Lately I use a 7 turn helical or triple feed patch array.
@@ValleyFPV you're welcome. Beautiful scenery by the way. I will be doing some mountain surfing in a couple months myself. Still durability testing my equipment until my trip comes
Thanks for the kind comments. The internet is great in that it provides a safe forum where anonymous online cowards feel emboldened to make rude comments. Yes..I was a very inexperienced fpv long range pilot at that time. This video was shared so that others might learn from my mistakes.
@@ValleyFPVKindly explain how you managed to get "coward" out of my post ? Trust me kiddo, I wouldn't say anything online I wouldn't say to your face 🙄... You sound too me like the typical keyboard warrior who regurgitates the same old drivel he read somewhere else because he thought it sounded good 🤣. Anyhow- it's not the piloting as we have all made mistakes, it's the narration of the video that's quite embarrassing...... Just saying
I learned from this flight that the arrow has about a 3 to 4 second lag / delay. And at the top of the screen placement is not as logical as on the bottom. Plus i didnt trust it at the time and i was directionally disoriented.
@@ValleyFPV Compass orientation can be tricky to get right. The other thing is the PID tune. Check your motor temps as they can get hot is my experience...Other than this the RTH function is light years ahead of BF...🤔😳🇬🇧
@@EnglishTurbines I am trying to determine if iNAV is now compatible with the HDZero system..OSD screens etc..seems that there were problems at one time.
@@ValleyFPV Dunno, certainly the analogue works great, especially the Crossfire Link Quality and on screen dynamic power indicator, very useful and not available on BF..🤔😳😀
I have not had very good luck calibrating the compass in my gps. And having the quad pointing up or down can make it change too. Even if RTH seems like it is going off course initially, it aways corrects itself. So far anyway...
While connected to Betaflight Configurator, if you notice quad autocorrect after you turn quad around, you have compass orientation setting wrong, keep changing till it stops autocorrect. In my case, CW270 Flip for example may be correct - but it depends on how you put the compass on quad. Not all modules are made the same.
very nice exciting fun scary!! i had a AKK once it almost made me quit the hobby it was so garbage.. now i have TBS Unify and its worth the extra money i think. awesome video keep it up my longest is only 0.95 miles away but hopefully only getting started!
That was intense. Question: How does a different position of the home arrow in the osd makes it more "accurate"? Or do you mean more intuitive to read when it's at the bottom?
Hi thanks for watching. What I intend to convey is that for me I have discovered that with the RTH arrow on the bottom of my screen, it is more intuitive now. When it was at the top of the screen it was pointing to the "sky" towards the home point. Now.. at the bottom.. it more so points a rough straight imaginary line to the home point. I have since moved it to the bottom of the screen and now fly with it in that location. ON short flights, this wasnt such an issued, but when I was on top of a mountain and at long range, the usability of the arrow location became more obvious.
Not to be snarky, but that's what that little arrows for in betaflight.... I'm glad you got it back cuz there's nothing worse than that feeling in the pit of your stomach after you lose a thousand bucks.
I have had arrow facing wrong direction. luckily i was not far.. out of curiousity i did gps rescue. drone went far right then turned left to go more toward home
HI, thanks for watching. Not sure what you mean by that. I do have a compass indicator but when 2.6 miles out its.. vague. Sure learned alot on this flight.
@@ValleyFPV but how do you manage the compass with Betaflight? I know that in Betaflight the compass is best excluded because the software can't manage it. I can see from your OSD that the compass is active and works well.
I have tested my VTX output power using a meter and discovered that it is only putting put 1/4 at all settings. I think it's time to replace it. Will try a Rush ultimate tank II.
@@ValleyFPV I have been able to fix that. Look for cracked solder joints where the SMA/mmcx connector attaches. I look forward to seeing how the Rush Tank works. Video is my limiting factor right now. I got the same ORT antenna and a TrueRC x-air. The X-air has pretty good side lobe reception.
Nice flight... long range would not be manageable without gps automated flying abilities... whatever the solution used (I use 4G cellular connectivity: no range limits), you WILL someday lose connection and rely on the bird alone... ;)
Thanks for watching. Yes.. that is an interesting point. I am curious to know more about that 4G connection..and how would that work in a rural area with no cell coverage. Such as where I fly.
@@ValleyFPV if there is NO cellular connection, then I can program waypoints and camera angles... but I don’t think it is fun... OR I can use the controller in standard mode (2km control range)... OR I can add some long range RC receiver (but why using a 4G Parrot Disco then?).
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Non-drone folks will never understand the feeling of losing video signal when out of LOS. It should get its own name and recognized as an actual emotion.
Agreed!
Oh yeah. I had to fly blind for like 10 seconds once. Of course I activated GPS rescue but that feeling stays until you get the video back.
And thats part of the thrill of longrange, the feeling u get when u lose video feed and the feeling u get when u get it back. Ive lost many planes and im sure I’ll be losing more in the future. Loved this video
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It happened to me last year flying above Mount Tanay! I didn't know I must look at where I was from the view of the drone so I can see how the surroundings look like. I flew for 2-3 miles and when I turned around, I almost fainted. I was like "These are all trees! Where did I launched from." LOL. I followed the arrow and luckily the GPS was perfect. Someone also watching me told me "I can hear your drone on the left." I was so happy that I didnt' lose it. :)
Impressed that those drones can gain so much altitude. Glad you got it back.
Thanks for watching.
Great example for challenges of long range fpv flight, thank you for sharing, I am learning a lot from your flights. Good that you got your quad back to base. I am also starting to pursue long range flights and I am also experiencing that it is actually quite easy to get disorintated on unkown terrain and thus I am now on new spot always do some warm up flights to get familiar with some navigation landmarks... keep rocking the sky!
Thanks for watching. Yes, exactly, in the future at new sites I will always do a short warm up flight to get a visual minds eye of the area. So I dont have to rely on GPS to find home.
Glad I found your channel. LR is so exciting. I've never been further than 1km and that was terrifying. Your video combining all the different sources and commentary is A+.
Hi. Thks for the kind words. These videos are harder to film and edit but I like sharing the experience so we all can learn and share our experiences. More to come..a new crazy video will be posted today.
Way to go! Good job not panicking. Glad you got her back!
Thanks for watching and the kind words. I got lucky. The other day I flew the same flight and my VTX went out on me.. and had another near crash.. I will be replacing my VTX in my quad now.
Very interesting, we see and feel all the emotions for the flight that is much much better than only a GoPro video
Thank your for watching.
I’ve never seen the home arrow go wrong direction like that. It was a good watch, thanks for the video. 👍
Thanks for watching. A week later on the same flight the home arrow was accurate the whole flight. Go figure.lol
Well i have huge problems with the arrow constant showing wrong direction in BF OSD! Not sure why though
Awesome video! I love your content! Your spotter is an absolute legend as well!! I could watch you two do narrated LR flights all day. GPS rescue saved the day for sure. It saved me once when my DJI screen froze for a few seconds. Now all my quads have it and I always commit the first battery of the day to familiarize myself with the area and safe “dump spots”.
Looking forward to more of you two. Safe flying gents!
Thanks for the kind words. More crazy flight videos coming soon. I like the term. " dump spots" lol. Great idea.
@@ValleyFPV yes please!!! Literally just spent the morning watching your vids in the background on my second screen while I worked lol. Make sure you buy your spotter a beer/ coffee/ soda. He’s a national treasure!
@@travis.stevens I feed him peanuts. Lol. He's a good guy. Thks for watching.. More crazy flight videos are in post production and coming this weekend.
thanks for taking us to this adventure, enjoyed it 👍🏻
Thank you for watching!
Great video and nice to see the quad return home in one piece - you always learn a thing or two from flights like this. When you have directional antennas, it is always a good idea to keep tilting your head when video goes bad. And may be you could have stayed in the rescue mode a bit longer when you activated it for the first time on the way back - it could have given the quad the right heading, a better video and may be it would have helped realizing where home is. I have never done long range but I fly my 5 inch like 1-1.5 kilometer away sometimes. I have an omnidirectional vtx antenna and 800mW of vtx power.
So much was learned from this first "long range" flight of mine. All the things you mentioned and a few others.
Nice flight!! And great set of learnings that will help us all in our future LR flights!! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching. Yes.. every flight is a learning event. This week I had a VTX fail on me mid flight.. UGG. but I limped home barely.
@@ValleyFPV another great recovery! Well done! 👍
you kept your cool and rescued her!. i learned a lot from this thank you. great pilot
Thanks for watching. Yea I learned alot too. Seems every flight is a learning experience.
Wow ... this was like an action movie :) Good flying and recovery!
Thanks for watching... that's funny!
Yeah, i've learned to do #1. Especially as mine doesn't have GPS so i need to always know my way back. Sometimes i take off, turn around after just a few seconds, and already lost sight of my launch site. First couple of batteries is always doing some proximity flying around the trees so i can spend fifteen minutes looking around the site.
Thats a good process I always do now.
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This is me trying to find my launch point a minute into the flight XD
This is what fpv and drone hobby is all about!
Agreed!
Love this channel... When I first got crossfire, I tried to fly about a mile out on a 5" with no gps. I couldn't find my way back, video started getting very fuzzy where I thought home was, and battery was getting low. I panicked. I eventually got it back and learned many lessons.
Thanks for watching..and yes I too have had those same adventures as I learn to fly.
How did you manage to recover?
@@PropGuru702 As video got fuzzy, I changed directions to try and get the best reception. Eventually I spotted a landmark I recognized and going my way back... I learned to always spot landmarks along my flight path as I'm flying away from myself.
@@madhatter8088 nice. I'm sure that's a helluva relief haha. I recently got an I.RC vortex 285. Seeing as how It is my first FPV quad I am still only practicing on free flight simulator while i try to find a suitable GPS with RTH functionality so incase I do get a bit wild, I have some sort of rescue plan haha it has the labeled UART jack for a gps but can't really sift through and find one that I can trust and won't cost a kidney
@@PropGuru702 My first fpv drone was the Vortex 150. That thing was a tank and so much fun to fly.. For now I would just enjoy what you have and get use to flying. Vortex are really nice.. For my first long range gps drone, I got a Flywoo Explorer 4". It was around $200 ready to go and already set up.
Man !! that was scary !! my hands was sweating just seeing no video on your FPV screen, it was like a suspense movie !!! thanks for sharing your tips at the end of the video, you have a super nice RIG , and yes, one helical and one omni so to get stuff behind and from the sides. Best. R.
Thanks for watching. Yes On that flight alot of lessons were learned.
That's why you don't fly BF on LR quads. Betaflight doesn't use the magnetometer at all, and that's why you got lost, iNAV would follow the home direction given by the magnetometer. Glad you made it back!
Thanks for watching. My new LR build will try inav on that one.
Don’t worry about the telemetry warning, the rx only transmits back around 25mw that’s why.
Thanks. That seems reasonable. I am amazed that they can even transmit telemetry using the CSFR RX.
Nice Video. I have been watching your videos and they are quite nice. I use iNAV especially for long range as RTH(Return To Home) feature is very handy when you are in such situations. It just gets your quad back to the exact same location (1 to 2 meters drift at max) and you can even have it configured to land. No manual intervention what so ever. . Once you hit RHT it will align itself to the home direction that way you can switch off RTH and take back the control. Just though of sharing it with you. Thanks !!
Thanks for watching. Yes I am considering configuring unavailable on my next LR build. That sounds nice and perfect for our needs.
@@ValleyFPV Exiting video! Thats also my experience. With inav the quad turns to home more precise. Inav uses the magnetometer to keep track of the orientation. With that the fc knows the orientation even if the quad is not moving. Betaflight doesn´t need a magnetometer for gps rescue. It considers that the quad moves and that changes gps coordinates. From this change it calculates the direction in which it is flying. So it lags behind. And also in windy conditions where the quad gets offset by the wind it has to work harder I found. Thats how I understood it. Correct me if I´m wrong...
@@sesesp I think you are on it. I may try out inav in the near future.
This was great! I was smiling the whole flight.
Thanks for watching. I sure learned alot on that flight.
I live in whatcom County and this is a sight I've always wanted to see while driving up to Mt Baker ski area. Nice video.
Thanks for watching. Yes, Church Mountain is so amazing. We will be flying here again soon.
Wow! Very nice flight, and lessons learned, thanks for that!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
thanks for watching
Nice fly and a nice Save. Are beginning in LR myself got a rekon 7 whit 8000mAh Fullsend. Hoping that i dont mess up when iam that far away :D
I hope so too.
Awesome flight guys it’s always nice to have a spotter with extra eyes in the sky, my bro-in-law was my xtra set of eyes. Glad you made it back safely. Get points at end, LR needs lots of planning
Thanks for watching
great flight and use of gps rescue! nice work
Thanks..thanks for watching
That got the anxiety cranking haha! Great save though and nice flight..
That was one of my early flights and alot was learned.
Haha I'll bet! Love long range so much! Might have to get mine out and charge it up again...
Happy flying bro 🤙👍
Those are some hardcore antennas you got there.
Thanks. Yes they do the trick.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hit the subscribe button.
Thanks for subscribing and for watching.
Very cool video, you made my hands sweat, def. having some problem with the antenna placement.
Thanks for watching!
Great Flight, hopefully someday I'll be able to make the cut like that. And yeah landmark recognition is key, specially when everything around you just looks green.
Thanks for watching. Yes.. now before I ever fly any spot like this again I'll make a short flight to check out what it looks like from the air.
You must be very confident with your build, personally if I had to capture some long range cinematic footage, I'd only have balls to do it with a DJI drone for it's solid GPS. I'd never take my own quads further than 1km even with gps rescue!
Thanks for watching. My newer builds are much more reliable recently and I never rely on GPS return to home anymore. I study my flight paths in more detail these days.
damn that was tense, glad you didn't crash or lose drone
Thanks for watching
very cool . pushing the limits of the tech!! . i took a mjx b2 2224ft high and got a great vid. somehow at a later date on another high fly when i put the sd card in my pc it went nuts like the cia were hacking me. from that time the same drone was geofenced to 300ft. thats why i gotta get into this stuff and learn to program my taranis. brilliant vid and thanks for the inspiration!! nice one !!
Thank you for watching. Every flight I learn something new! Check out my channel and latest vids. That's interesting about your experience. Hmmm
@@ValleyFPV will do. thanks dude
Having done several flights up in the mountains I'd say rule nr 1 is the most important. Nothing looks like you think it will look when you turn back home :)
Thanks for watching,.. yes I totally agree.
Brilliant flight, flying by the seat of your pants!! Had me on the edge of my seat. 😯😁⚠️
Thanks for watching.
@Valley FPV Nice and happy back home point - good for you. I have a question about GPS resc settings - can you share your setting of it? Thank you in advance.
Ok will do
Fun video, thanks for posting! I'm really enjoying following you on your FPV journey.
I get those "telemetry lost" (and "sensor lost") warnings sometimes too and cant really figure it out..
Thanks for watching. Yes.. thats another thing I need to work on.
Ttelemetry lost and sensor lost the part of our remoteright now, until it will be fixed.
The crossfire telemetry downlink only uses 40mW of power, so it might just have been too far away to reach back to the remote. When range testing crossfire, I always got the "telemetry lost" warning way before the RC connection was actually lost
@@hweissi Thanks for the information. Sounds about right.
Super cool, Video loss is always scary. If I'm being honest I don't much like your antenna setup... Super high gain with a fairly narrow beam.. they'd be great on a tracker, but on your head not so much(just saying most people's head will move a lot when you fly, and that doesn't pair well with a super high gain..). I've done 4 miles on 5.8 with a VAS 3turn and a triumph with almost no signal loss, and I have excellent coverage. Maybe going to a similar setup would help you a bit. I'd hate to see you lose an airframe 😬😎
Thanks for watching. They say hindsight is 20 20... I was having issues with my video feed over time degrading, was chasing a better signal.. as I had progressively worse and worse video. I went from a VAS Crosshair Xtreme to a 6 turn, to a 12 turn. Turns out that my VTX side of the system was the culprit and was degrading in its output. Now I'm going back to more reasonable receiving antennas and agree with your suggestion. I did flight the other day 3 miles with no issues after a new VTX and pigtail was put on.
Very intense, we're all been there somehow. It's though to keep it cool. Nice job. A spotter is always helpful psicologically as well lol
Thanks for watching. Yes. indeed. I have a SUPER intense video coming in about a week, where I failsafed 3 miles out.. and then the damn thing inverted rolled, and flipped.. two times!..
@@ValleyFPV wow that seems pretty stressful as well 😅
Learned some lessons as well. Good flight.
Thank you for watching.
Thanks for watching.
Nice flight and already quite some time in the air with some nice passes for a first flight in that location! Long range is indeed sometimes scary stuff when something unexpected happens.
I use inav for actual return to home, I would highly advise to also use inav since it is build around long range and has many rth options you can setup per flight to which altitude you fly in which "glide" ratio you want to go home etc. especially around mountains its very usable, when loosing any link radio or video you've a high chance of getting it back, with gps rescue it will be a defenite long hike in case of any link failing and not returning to a working state.
Also, your compass indeed seemed to not work properly which made this whole ordeal happen. I would look into that, it might be because your gps is at an angle on your drone (or not but because youre flying it is at an angle and then it cant work properly). ideally the gps/compass must be at the same angle as your fpv camera, because that will be the angle you fly at. I am not sure if your able to (i am assuming you use betaflight and not inav or smth) you must also setup in your flight software you have your gps/compass at a certain angle, so at 20 degrees for example. So it knows it is at an angle and can counter that.
Then the flight controller can get a clean readout from the compass. it knows the gps is at in angle and it knows from its own flightcontroller what its angle is, which should be equal when flying forward making the gps also point straight to sky most of the time.
It seems to me there might somewhere a mistake with how your compass (your home point) is behaving. because it kind a works but not properly.
Keep on pushing! :)
Thanks for watching and commenting. Yes this was one of my early flights. Am planning to load inav into my latest build.
awesome video. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I've always had good luck with the rush vtxs
Thanks for watching. I agree!
😮 experience pilot is most important and calming 😅
I once thought I could follow this road back. Got a lil confused ended up behind a mountain. DJI went black had to put on gps rescue
Oh my..no fun. Thanks for watching. My more recent flights are much more controlled than this videos flight.
Maybe you should try the new rush tank solo on your quad. Rush is known for its high quality VTX and with it you'd have more than enough power (>1W) and a much cleaner signal.
True best vtx.lockin chanel and real power.
HI, thanks for watching. Actually you have read my mind and my next step. I have 3 new Rush Tanks that are going into my existing builds, and my next LR build. I'm tired of the trash VTX's that i've been using. This vtx that I used on this video began to fail on me recently and I almost lost it again in the woods. Loss of video power almost to nothing.
Thanks.. I shall check that out.
I love how you've arranged the overlays in the video. Very informative. Especially like the sticks overlay.
Good to know that with good directional antennae it becomes easier to search for the quad. I'm making a couple of 7 turn helical at home and hope they work well.
I'm planning to use the AKK race ranger on my 7"LR. Hope it doesn't turn out to be a P. O. S 😁
I crashed a few days ago, because when triggering gps rescue I accidently switched it into stability mode and because I was so nervous I didn't really care. It came directly into my location but it was still 300m high, so I disable gps rescue and tried to descent quickly, so I lowered my throttle down to almost zero. And this was a mistake! Motors stopped and started to spin backwards and after this point it went into a roll of death (motor desync) and after 20s it crashed straight into the ground. Even moving throttle to 100% did nothing. It still rolled with 1.5A of current draw. I just couldn't wake the motors back, no matter what I did. It fortunately crashed 20m away from me into the grass. So there is one point to remember: never descent quickly when in stability mode or disable "motor stop" for stability mode, otherwise your drone will go to the roll of death. I always take off and land in stability mode so I really like this motor stop function (so when your throttle is down, the motors don't spin), but I never went into a quick and and long descent in this mode to this day. I learned something I guess :)
Thanks for watching,and sharing.. that is interesting.. your experiences. I take off and land in ACRO/AIR so never had that issue. Yes.. there are some "quirks" here and there one has to learn about the hard way.
@@ValleyFPV If my memory still works, I think I remember you saying "I'm swithching into a landing mode now" in one of your videos. I thought by saying that you really ment stability mode, but guess I got it wrong :)
@@gregor.potrebujes I may have..when I first started flying betaflight fpv quads I used to land when in stability-horizon mode. I no longer do that because I have finally learned the necessary stick control.
😂😂 Nice!!! Maybe you need an extra omnidirectional antenna.
Thanks for watching. Yes, I sure did for that flight.
Nice Video👍 Why are you using triblabes? Biblades are way more efficient.
Thanks for watching. That is something which I plan to test.
Atta boy! Nice LR flight and helpful commentary. If you don’t lose video, control, or both you ain’t doing long range imo lol. Crossfire telemetry is not transmitted when it dynamically switches to low update rates as I understand it. You can force telemetry but TBS advises against. Check what vrx mode and settings your RapidFire is on, as changing the mode and interval rate, depending on your vtx, can significantly improve the video sync and drops. Looking forward to you future LR missions!
Thanks for watching and than you for the good suggestions. Great advice!
@@ValleyFPV If you are looking at getting a new vtx checkout the TBS Unify Pro32 HV and new RushFPV Solo Tank both do 1W or more.
@@m2kfpv449 Thanks, great to know. Will do
THanks for watching and the info. I have my CSFR on dynamic power.. so perhaps that is causing the occasional telemetry drops, as that CSFR power adjusts. I"ll have to research the VRX interval rate, thats a new one on me. I"m using mode1 rapidfire. This hobby is a never ending cycle of tweaking and testing!
I have ordered a Rush tank solo.
great video! would also love to purchase a long range drone .. would this also be possible with dji digital or only analog? (meaning just the air unit)
Thanks for watching. I honestly do not have any experience with the dji units and how far they will works.
Touch and go glad landed safe trying to set.up.a.switch for GPS rescue or Aux channel keeps taking Aux 1 need that channel.to.a.quad any help cheers from cold wet uk
Thanks for watching. Wish I could help but I dont understand.
Is that analog
yes
Loved this! Haha...LR is a different kind of thrill!
Thanks!
Oh wait until you see the video that will post later this week.. even more scary Thrills.
The telemetry coming back from the receiver doesn't have the power that the transmitter has. I don't think its a problem if your LQ is OK.
Thanks! I think you're right based on my research. To me it seems kinda random sometimes though and thats what I really cant figure out.
Yes, flights about 1-2 miles out no issues. Flights further I get the dropout of telemetry. I'm building a new LR quad and will place the CSFR antennas in different locations. Will see if that makes any change.
I am pretty sure the arrow is not behaving as it should(?) It was headed in a completely different direction even when you flew into the wrong direction for like 10 seconds. I assume this is an error with the arrow, since GPS rescue was able to send the quad in the correct direction. Interesting flight! Thanks, I learned to be wary of those instruments
Thanks for watching.. yes.. this world of quad stuff.. for sure does not pass FAA quality controls. Cant be relied on.
@@ValleyFPV It's now a long time after the fact but this may help others experiencing the Home Arrow not being accurate. It is usually an easy fix. Go into Inav or Bf and upload your text fonts. That usually makes the Home arrow work properly
@@53rogerwhat do you mean upload your text fonts into Betaflight? What does that mean and how?
@@grahamrichter657 go to OSD page, bottom right of page and click Font Manager, on the font page ‘default’ will be selected for you, then at the bottom of that box click Upload Font. Hope that hlps
@@53roger That's great, thank you
If I may ask what antennas are you using on your fatshark goggles?
Thanks for watching. When this video was made I used the ORT 6 turn helicals sold by Blacksheep. Lately I use a 7 turn helical or triple feed patch array.
What vtx would be better than the one you had for this one?
Thank you for watching. I have since installed a Rush Tank Ultimate II which seems to work very well so far.
wow what bat pack you have on that beast ? ion 5000 ? Its said 18V
Thanks for watching. It's a custom made dual pack of 18650 cells in a 5S2P configuration. 6000mah rated 5S
@@ValleyFPV Oh it's a five drone , thought a 7 . If you drop it way out there will you hike for it or lick your wounds and move on ?
Going long range before you can land. The balls on you! LMAO.
Thanks for watching.. it could have been ignorance too. More likely!
Your RTH arrow seemed to be off from take off and throughout most of the video. Or was I seeing that wrong?
Yes it was during that flight and misleading. Ot has since been fixed. Thanks for watching.
@@ValleyFPV you're welcome. Beautiful scenery by the way. I will be doing some mountain surfing in a couple months myself. Still durability testing my equipment until my trip comes
Do you know what gps module you use on this video? I mean if thats a 10hz gps I would be surprise
It wax not. It was an MQ8
@@ValleyFPV thx
Almost lost that quard bro😮
Yup. I sure learned alot that day.
I have never seen such an inapt fpv pilot in all my years. This guy reminds me of a noob 100%
Thanks for the kind comments. The internet is great in that it provides a safe forum where anonymous online cowards feel emboldened to make rude comments. Yes..I was a very inexperienced fpv long range pilot at that time. This video was shared so that others might learn from my mistakes.
@@ValleyFPVKindly explain how you managed to get "coward" out of my post ? Trust me kiddo, I wouldn't say anything online I wouldn't say to your face 🙄... You sound too me like the typical keyboard warrior who regurgitates the same old drivel he read somewhere else because he thought it sounded good 🤣.
Anyhow- it's not the piloting as we have all made mistakes, it's the narration of the video that's quite embarrassing...... Just saying
Was the gps arrow not workimg?
I learned from this flight that the arrow has about a 3 to 4 second lag / delay. And at the top of the screen placement is not as logical as on the bottom. Plus i didnt trust it at the time and i was directionally disoriented.
iNAV has a much more reliable RTH..and auto land...That direction arrow wasn't lagging, it was simply pointing the wrong way...😳🤔🤔🇬🇧
Thanks for watching. Yes..I need to give iNAV a try. My next build will have iNAV.
@@ValleyFPV Compass orientation can be tricky to get right. The other thing is the PID tune. Check your motor temps as they can get hot is my experience...Other than this the RTH function is light years ahead of BF...🤔😳🇬🇧
@@EnglishTurbines I am trying to determine if iNAV is now compatible with the HDZero system..OSD screens etc..seems that there were problems at one time.
@@ValleyFPV Dunno, certainly the analogue works great, especially the Crossfire Link Quality and on screen dynamic power indicator, very useful and not available on BF..🤔😳😀
Just found your channel
I’m going to build a 7” for long range
Thanks for watching. I am now building my 2nd 7 inch LR quad. Time to take the lessons learned and make a cleaner build.
I have not had very good luck calibrating the compass in my gps. And having the quad pointing up or down can make it change too. Even if RTH seems like it is going off course initially, it aways corrects itself. So far anyway...
I tend to agree. The RTH arrow sometimes seems pretty off if I am not level..
While connected to Betaflight Configurator, if you notice quad autocorrect after you turn quad around, you have compass orientation setting wrong, keep changing till it stops autocorrect.
In my case, CW270 Flip for example may be correct - but it depends on how you put the compass on quad. Not all modules are made the same.
@@kibbycabbit I also use CW270flip.
very nice exciting fun scary!! i had a AKK once it almost made me quit the hobby it was so garbage.. now i have TBS Unify and its worth the extra money i think. awesome video keep it up my longest is only 0.95 miles away but hopefully only getting started!
Thanks for watching. Yes indeed. I have gone over 3.5 miles with the Rush Solo.
That was intense. Question: How does a different position of the home arrow in the osd makes it more "accurate"? Or do you mean more intuitive to read when it's at the bottom?
Hi thanks for watching. What I intend to convey is that for me I have discovered that with the RTH arrow on the bottom of my screen, it is more intuitive now. When it was at the top of the screen it was pointing to the "sky" towards the home point. Now.. at the bottom.. it more so points a rough straight imaginary line to the home point. I have since moved it to the bottom of the screen and now fly with it in that location. ON short flights, this wasnt such an issued, but when I was on top of a mountain and at long range, the usability of the arrow location became more obvious.
Not to be snarky, but that's what that little arrows for in betaflight.... I'm glad you got it back cuz there's nothing worse than that feeling in the pit of your stomach after you lose a thousand bucks.
Snarky is fine.. biut the little arrow wasn't pointing accurately to the home point. It was way off. I have since resolved the issue.
I have had arrow facing wrong direction. luckily i was not far.. out of curiousity i did gps rescue. drone went far right then turned left to go more toward home
Cool. Gps rescue works directionally for me but I must test it more.
Rth is a great function
Thks for watching. Yes! It saved me big time again this past weekend.
Great flyin man.ur home point was error for amoment did you activated your compass?
HI, thanks for watching. Not sure what you mean by that. I do have a compass indicator but when 2.6 miles out its.. vague. Sure learned alot on this flight.
@@ValleyFPV if you have magnetometer in your gps.dont activated it.cause your motor magnet will make your home point wrong.
@@fajararjangkrikfpv9498 I shall have to look into that. I have that type of setup.
What the heck is OSD?
Thanks for watching. OSD = On Screen Display; the text overlay of data I see in the goggles.
informative!
Beautifully!
Thank you for watching.
Inav or Betaflight? good video!!
Thanks for watching and the kind words. Right now.. I'm using BF. Someday soon may give iNav a try on a new build.
@@ValleyFPV but how do you manage the compass with Betaflight? I know that in Betaflight the compass is best excluded because the software can't manage it. I can see from your OSD that the compass is active and works well.
Just got lucky I suspect? really dont know why its working as good as it does.
@@ValleyFPV but even if the compass is working, I don't know if it can handle the return home. I think it is only managed by the GPS
Betaflight
Should I go for a 6s1p 21700 or 6s2p 18650 ?
I cant answer that. Also depends on which motors, props, the desired total battery weight, and your flying style and motor amp draw needs.
@ValleyFPV OK, thanks. The weight difference is not huge. But still there are many other criteria I have to consider.
I think 2.5 miles is pretty good. What do you think would be a better Vtx?
I have tested my VTX output power using a meter and discovered that it is only putting put 1/4 at all settings. I think it's time to replace it. Will try a Rush ultimate tank II.
@@ValleyFPV I have been able to fix that. Look for cracked solder joints where the SMA/mmcx connector attaches. I look forward to seeing how the Rush Tank works. Video is my limiting factor right now. I got the same ORT antenna and a TrueRC x-air. The X-air has pretty good side lobe reception.
Good mission.
Thanks for watching
Great bruh. I know what it felt.
Thanks for watching
@@ValleyFPV and @falconfpv inspired me.
many emotions :)
We learned a lot on that flight!
@@ValleyFPV the more money in the air the more you learn when sth goes wrong 😀😂😂
@@kdeclinetostatendeclinetos6707 I should be brilliant..I have lost two DJI Phantoms in the past..lol
You could of looked back at the mountain to get your bearings
Sure.
Betaflight??
Yes
Nice flight... long range would not be manageable without gps automated flying abilities... whatever the solution used (I use 4G cellular connectivity: no range limits), you WILL someday lose connection and rely on the bird alone... ;)
Thanks for watching. Yes.. that is an interesting point. I am curious to know more about that 4G connection..and how would that work in a rural area with no cell coverage. Such as where I fly.
@@ValleyFPV if there is NO cellular connection, then I can program waypoints and camera angles... but I don’t think it is fun... OR I can use the controller in standard mode (2km control range)... OR I can add some long range RC receiver (but why using a 4G Parrot Disco then?).
My dji Integra will reach that far
nice
Guys should get a firework or flare Gun but that is sweet God bless take care stay safe nice video
Just subscribed. 🤙
Thanks for Watching!
Something like that..agreed!
Fuck yeah, good work
Lots was learned on this flight..
Nice
Thank you for watching.
wooooow
Thanks
Epic haha
Thanks. Yep..total dope here.
Wait until you see the video with my VTX failing while long range. Video coming soon.
gps mode saveme to
Excellent..it is a must have capability.
id get a rush tank i think they make them over 1w now
I have one now.