@@darth-imperius It stems from a theory that youtuber Jesse Cox (previously known as OMFGcata) presented after the Siege of Orgrimmar ending cinematic, where Jaina tried to convince Varian Vrynn to annihilate the horde there and then. Jesse Cox thought that this was so out of character for Jaina, as she had sacrificed so much for peace between the Horde and Alliance (her father being a notable example) That he came up with the 'conspiracy theory' that Jaina was dead/gone and had been replaced with a dreadlord that took on her appearance. This garnered quite a bit of attention as a meme and satire for WoW's story arc for some of it's older characters. But it didn't really blow up till the question was asked during a blizzcon QnA session with the devs, where they were asked by an attendee if "Jaina is a dreadlord?" Boom, theory spread around the community and has stuck around as a meme for all these years. (I can't remember if it actually was Jesse Cox who asked it the first time around during a blizzcon, but he's had many funny interaction with the lore devs post this where they'll banter about her being/not being a dreadlord)
The notable example of Jaina being originally so strongly in favor of peace that she refused to help her father who renewed war against the Horde... and then later she acted as mustache twirling villain in purge of Dalaran and later at the end of Siege of Orgimmar, it also convince me that she HAS TO BE a Dreadlord. Even after the whole BFA arc, it's still kinda easier for me to believe that the Dread Lord just learned to be a better actor, than thinking Jaina was herself the whole time.
It hit me today. That last chapter. It's the Sword. This whole xpac Zoval is never shown with a weapon. He escapes at the end of the raid and he's going to need a weapon to do whatever it is his big plans are. And hey, looky here, a giant uber powerful Titan's sword conveniently stuck in Azeroth that everyone has forgotten about..
OHHHHHH that's good!!! I just thought Sybille was a play on sibyl (an old greek word for prophet) since she says weird things, but Theotar does call her "Lady" Sybille!
3:45 Man, we’ve been getting fooled into doing bad guy dirty work for 15 years. Honestly, it’s insulting at this point that we’re portrayed as being so dumb. Like, OK, accidentally helping an old hermit build an abomination and unleash it on Darkshire is one thing, but bringing one of the only two remaining macguffins into the Dark Lord’s palace is a truly boob move.
Honestly I thought that Sylvanas' soul-split was basically confirmed the second I saw the book cover of the new Sylvanas book by Christie Golden coming out in November. I don't think it's a coincidence that Blizzard decided that Sylvanas be portrayed split on the book cover, with the same gold and blue colors of Uther's soul-split from the cinematic we saw. Just my two cents though. Maybe others can chime in.
I don't know why but whenever Tali says "Join us" it makes me think of the first trailers for Dragon Age Origins. Confirmed Tali is secretly a Grey Warden
If Kael who is sane elf, did betray his whole race (also others) just for power, can seek redemption I'm pretty sure soul-consumed, mind controlled Arthas deserve more than that.
@@hasanarkan yeh thats right but i believe they retconned some and said since he got the sword he lost his soul so everyones saying he was mind controlled.
@@hasanarkan i know i've read the book, he killed nerzhul and the child arthas representing his humanity. people these days are saying he was mind controlled by the jailer ever since he picked up the sword
well there is the theory that the place Sylvanas ended up was Ardenweald, the folklore book says that when Vereesa was looking where sylvanas soul was going, she found herself in a forest.
There's just so many other issues with the game that drove me away, and don't seem to be getting addressed anytime soon, that I can't see myself coming back. So I'm counting on you and other lore channels to fill me in on this stuff.
That's where I'm at. Love the channel, and I love the lore, but I just don't think I will be playing this game again. Maybe some day, Blizzard will respect folks time again, but t certainly won't be anytime soon.
I dont like how they reveal all the old lore things in one expansion... And that everything we learned and happend did just happen because of a boring bad guy called the jailer ... He is the most boring Charakter. All this rewriting of old and good lore and storys... Its sad.
@ezlyfe Balance for one. I was playing a monk. I started out as Necrolord because I liked the aesthetic and the ability was interesting to me and was ok for healing and tanking, but as my guild started prog in Mythic and I was needed as DPS more often I was always at the bottom of the meters. That got old fast. So I switched to Kyrian, and saw improvements of around 1k dps. Other classes felt frustrating as well. Warlocks best covenant last I checked was Night Fae which is weird, Shaman had completely opposite bests for Elemental and enhance. Rogues had all the covenants best as different points. Why don't they just make them like an extra talent row. These borrowed power system have gotten old. World Quests are boring as hell but if you're on a budget and pay for the game with WoW tokens like I did you kind of have to do them or at least the callings for the free gold, and that's on top of any other farming to make or save gold. It starts to feel like a job that pays $15 a month in game time. It almost feels like a mobile game at times with the daily quests and the great vault being like a gacha mechanic that you pay for with time. Mythic Plus is a personal gripe. In legion it was kinda of meh, and BFA I tolerated doing one max key a week, but now I'm just done with them. There's other things that led me to leave the game also. like my growing distaste for Actiblizz, and some personal reasons. Or maybe I've just grown different tastes. The game just isn't worth the time for me anymore.
@@RukkuHeizen the covenants are getting more balanced for the majority of classes I'd say. Monk will always be best Kyrian or NF, but for Lock seems like Necro will be good, and kyrian was never terrible.... Shaman still has the same "BiS" issue, but neither of them are terrible for the other spec imo
Ever since the launch of Shadowlands, I've had a lot of trouble gathering the motivation to continue playing current content once I got my main to 60. It was probably a combination of work overload during Thanksgiving and Christmas when it first launched, and helping my son with distance learning at the time (restrictions have been lifted since), that I was just too exhausted to play. This put my once progression-raiding character behind everyone else, and thus, overwhelming the crap out of me. This video...this specific video seems to have put that spark back into me. I feel like I can't wait to catch up, get geared, and find out what happens next. Thank You!
Tali I never tire of your delicious way with words. "The Boy Scout Smurflord Afterparty" and "Palpashrivels" had me laughsnorting into my cup of tea. Bravo sir, Bravo. I might even resub to WoW for 9.1 for a while.
@@maximiliangfrorer1039 he wasn't born yet in that time line, but to him he should have been. If you travel back in time and meet your deceased mother, would you have no reaction?
I'd like to think that after Devos and Uther dropped him in the Maw, Arthas has been hiding and striking out against the Jalier. Imagine if we, along with Bolvar, Jaina, and Calia are saved by a group of souls, led by Arthas.
We've seen a lot of dead people in the Shadowlands, but there's one crucial lore figure we haven't seen yet. One that I feel will play a major role in 9.2, possibly even being the key to everything going on in the Shadowlands and beyond. That key figure - Orc Sea Pup, who died after a horrible sideways pooping accident.
Hey! Another great video... However weirdly so I am coming to the comment section in oder to give you guys kudos for the ad :D It is one of the better adds I've seen lately (entertaining) and initially I was going for the skip (but staied for Evertell) but the add itself was useful and fun... So actual kudos to you guys... I hope this whole thing works out for you since you are great and awesome... Even Tally
I love these videos so much. Taliesin is a great with the jokes and high energy and Evi even when excited is generally just very calming and pleasant to hear. Idek but keep it up fam
I'm pretty sure I will need sunglasses for that neon sign they are advertising Sylvanas' redemption with. I think I can deal with her walking away without consequence like she's going to, but I will freaking lose it if some Xe'ra 2.0 tells me how awful I was for holding hatred in my heart for her.
Good for you. I can't. I've been playing as night elf since 2006. There is no way there can be no consequences for burning alive almost an entire species like that, not to mention destroying a World Tree blessed by Alexstrasza and Ysera to boot.
@@catxborsuq1 I get that, but IF they had Sylvanas go the atonement route in Revendreth (where she has to feel all the pain she's caused) as opposed to the straightforward redemption route (where she's just a good guy then and goes back to the Horde or whatever) I could be alright with that. I'm a night elf main as well. I loved that the BFA storyline brought back the warrior side of our folks (since I feel like public perception of night elves has been the hippie druids), and the Teldrassil mission made me feel very sad (even though it was very well done). IF Blizzard just lets her go without consequence I will be very upset.
Why does everyone think Sylvanas will face no consequences? Because Keerigan didn’t? That’s a completely different franchise! Starcraft can have black and gray morality. Starcraft can have bad guys face zero consequences. I mean nobody has clean hands by the end of Starcraft III. Just who exactly had the moral authority to prosecute Kerrigan? Starcraft is sci-fi. It can be more realistic. It’s supposedly set in the real world, in the distant future but still. Bad guys don’t always face consequences in the real world. But in WoW, they must, because WoW is high fantasy. People exist who absolutely have the moral authority, and the power, to prosecute Sylvanas: even if we can’t or won’t. Her sisters, for starters. And when has a character in WoW ever faced *no* consequences whatsoever for their actions? Obviously you can debate whether certain punishments were sufficient, but that is a different discussion. Oh and also: did you somehow miss the part where X’era got sploded? Why does everyone think she was meant to be some paragon of goodness? It should have been obvious something was not quite right after the Black Rook Hold flashback when she was all like “what would you have done differently?” Idk bitch, maybe asked first? Like “hey, I know of a spell that can kill all these demons but I’m gonna need to drain all your power to cast it”. I mean idk, but if I was a Moonguard member and Illidan said that to me I’d have been like “yeah, sure, go ahead”. It’s not like they were under any illusions about the odds: they came there to die anyways. What those Moon Guard mages were hoping for was that their deaths would have an impact. And you can accuse Illidan of many things, but not of wasting power. If I let Illidan drain me, I’d know that he would make every last bit of my power count. That’s good enough for me. All he needed to do was ask. Just like with the Draenei spirits in Auchindoun. Akama is a shaman, he can talk to spirits. The spirits in question were Draenei. How many of them would honestly have refused to give up their afterlife for the Legion’s defeat? Illidan was opening a portal to acquire the Sargerite keystone which would allow him to take the fight to Antorus directly. And the Illidari+the Army of the Light could totally have taken on Antorus. Basically the entire Legion expansion happened because Illidan was a massive douche for no reason.
@@sophiejones7727 The Illidan flashback quests have plenty of details that don't match the lore, which actually got many fans of the War of the Ancients trilogy confused. Like how upset Illidan was when Cenarius would no longer teach druidism, when in reality he didn't care. Or how Broxigar was honored to fight beside him, when he was actually pissed at Illidan for burning his hands. Those visions were clearly altered by Xe'ra to make Illidan look more sympathetic to us heroes. Xe'ra believed Illidan was the the "Child of Light and Shadow", and that she could convert him to the Light. She was obviously mistaken, like with many other things. As for Sylvanas, I'm sure this fear many have that she will turn out to be the true hero all along and face no consequences for her action, is because of all the fanboys who believe their queen can do no wrong, and tinfoil hats like Accolonn and Pyromancer who believe the good guys are actually the bad guys and vice- versa. The fact that Steve Danuser himself, the guys who's in charge of the narrative, loves the Banshee Queen, has also got many people worried. I'm slightly worried too, but I'm mostly sure they would never go as far as to justify Sylvanas' actions just to please one part of the lore community. Sylvanas will face the consequences, one way or another.
I imagine in my mind... a scenario in which some entity tries to scold us for hating Sylvanas, and while it's half way through a sentence Tyrande or Bolvar just one-shots it and says "screw you we're still killing her". I don't think that would happen, nor do I think it'd be a smart storytelling decision, but I'd still crap my pants laughing
about Elune if you follow the talk after the film sequence you notice that tyrande gives the statement the tear is both hers and Elunes one asks the question as if the pillar of creation is make in a similar way it was possible that Eona was strengthened by Elune that would explain why Eona's Pillar of Creation is named after Elune
Ardenwield/Elune lore: Nice Dreadlord/Denathrius lore: Nice Uther lore: "Devos lead me down a dark path..." /facepalm Arthas' redemtion lore: [in case of low player engagement, break this Arthas glass for maximum nostalgia]
"He cheated on the Mak'gora" this bothers me a lot, he used the power of the elements a power well respected among the orc clans and people still say he "Cheated"? in a Mak'gora you fight to the death with what you got in the moment of the fight that is the actual rules. the element are his powers, a part of himself and not to mention he was already fighting Garrosh with it from the very beginning (did you not notice the thundering clouds from the start?). Thrall didn't cheat Garrosh just underestimated his enemy and picked a fight with the wrong person, another thing to note is that there is literally NO RULE against the used of elemental powers in a Mak'gora. do you know why Gul'dan in the movie was consider a cheater when he used fel magic against Durutan? Fel magic is not a power recognize or respected among the Orc clans in fact it is consider a disgusting dishonorable outside power. do you know why Saurfan using the blade of his enemy for fight with Silvanas in a mak'gora wasn't considered a cheat too? Varian's sword is a true warriors sword and Saurfan wasn't just representing the horde in that fight he was representing Azeroth, azeroth's true strength wish is the alliance and the horde.
I was under the impression that using other than your physical body in. Mak'gora was cheating. But then that's just based off limited observation. I would like to know the source you used to state that elemental powers are allowed by virtue of being respected. By that metric, could other powers become part of the culture and eventually be accepted in use during a Mak'gora?
Using magic, all kinds of it is forbidden in Mak'gora. That was cheating. Gul'dan was considered cheater because he used the god damn magic and so did Thrall. Do you honestly believe an average Orc - obviously a fighter of flesh and blood - can tell you a difference between Frost Magic, Fire Magic, Arcane Magic, Void Magic, Fel Magic, Elements Magic and so on, whatever? LMAO :D Dude stop making up your own stories to justify something that a character you like did wrong. He cheated, period. Does that make him bad? Absolutely not. The 1 thing everyone misses is that Thrall was raised by humans, he wasnt teached the Orc ways of life since his birth and thats a difference. All i mean is that, i think we can all agree that he cheated and that was a scummy move from Orc-perspective but given the circumstances, we can forgive him :P
Thrall was using the Elements against Garrosh in their first Mak'Gora before Wrath of the Lich King an nobody batted an eye. It seems clear, from that, that using the elements wasn't cheating.
@@dvls442 yeah and garrosh cheated by using a poisoned blade against cairne. Let's just not pretend these big lore mak'gora fights have been "honorable" as a whole.
I think after being there for years and becoming loyal to his house Mograine would choose to stay in Maldraxxus even if the memory thing is now optional.
implying team super intern can do much more than write bad sylvanas fanfiction is a bit much. They probably already forgot about that story point for the covenants.
It makes absolutely NO sense at all whatsoever that Elune is the Winter Queen's sister! Because Eonar should be the Winter Queen's sister and it would make the most sense that she would be the Winter Queens sister as opposed to Elune being the Winter Queen's sister, Because if Eonar the LIFE-BINDER is considered her sister. Then wouldn't it make sense for her As the Titan of life she basically would be the Winter Queen’s living world counterpart right ? 🤔 Lets discuss why it makes more sense for Eonar to be the Winter Queens sister instead of Elune: 1: Elune is seen to grant powers of light, arcane, shadow (to the night warriors) and to be fair, has connections to wild gods and life as well but she is a quite versatile deity… nothing about Elune contrasts the winter queen as her summer counterpart. 2: Elune is depicted as a true deity above the titans and eternal ones, she wouldn’t be on the level of the Winter Queen, if anything Elune could be a mother to the winter queen and her sister as a First One (as some theorize) 3: Elune’s doesn’t have a connection to Ysera or the dragonflights other than cleansing her from the Nightmare and delivering her to a wildseed in Ardenweald, Elune’s cleansing power isn’t something attributed to the emerald dream but is of her LIGHT (as proven by the Flynn/Shaw short story where her holy waters purges a corrupted artifact at a moonwell) 4: Chronicle said that Freya BESEECHED (asked) Eonar to empower the two sisters Ysera and Alexstrazsa after they proved they could be defenders of Azeroth after defeating Galakrond. Eonar gave a piece of her essence to Ysera and Alexstrazsa to make them aspects, Eonar BOUND Ysera to the dream and gave her and Alex their specific tasks… making more sense for Ysera to be Eonar / Life’s pet than Elune. 5: The reason why people think it is Elune is because of Legion’s Val’sharah, but think of it this way: If we fought Ysera in westfall and not the temple of Elune, and she was killed by farmer joe and not Tyrande, would Elune still cleanse and deliver her to Ardenweald? It’s nothing confirmed but puts things into perspective. 6: Elune does share a connection with Ysera in terms of Cenarius and Malorne and such, I see that more of an Elune being a motherly deity to the night elves and the druidic path they set for their race. Conclusion: Elune has always been attributed to a goddess of Light, and some magic which calls upon her seems to be Arcane and more recently we find out she has been granting shadow powers to night warriors since at least pre-war of the ancients… the sister contrast isn't there with the Winter Queen and the most plausible connection is Elune is a First One, a higher deity. Bonus: Winter Queen seems to have a bad past or negative relationship with her sister, Elune is an aloof goddess who is never personified with emotions and just doesn’t seem on the same level of these death/order panthons, where Eonar is more ““finite”” (i say vaguely) in the sense that she is a more humanized deity that we can see and have interacted with and have more concrete and stronger connections to Ysera (as mentioned, Ysera has a piece of Eonar’s essence in her)
It’s not only the game that shows that elune is The sister but those new story bites that came out or are about to come out I think in late June or July they gave away a few snippets and they literally say that elune is her sister and that she “must live “in the life lands
I've seen many things that say that sylvanas is alive but here's what nobody has mentioned, Uther's soul fragment looks like the shard zoval shot at her at the end of the raid, she gained her soul completely was resurrected and then died from mortal wounds gained either by us or everything she has been through, she was killed because of zoval "repaying" her
I love the fact that at least Blizzard seems to recognize that some important characters didn't have a true ending and they are trying to give us that, also that they are trying to reveal some secrets we always wondered but didn't think they would give us some answers. It's very refreshing to see that.
Honestly I hate Sylvanas but a potential revelation that she died a hero and everything she did after being raised was specifically not her own will and only continued to cause her pain and suffering is a pretty solid story element. We could even have her basically reverted to a time before she was a banshee and she could end up helping us to stop the jailer after being betrayed.
Story is awesome. As a lore nerd I love it. Gameplay tho? i hate all the weekly "need to do" I hate the covenant power. the anima. everything that is "needed" each week..
Story-wise I always was interested enough and entertained enough in wow. Those usually aren't the twist-filled awesome stunning stories I wish they were, but let's be honest, it's an MMO, how thrilling can you truly make a story in those. What I fear more in shadowlands future are blizz-typical systems upon systems and dragging out stuff fans were crying out for over a year: bringing back tier sets and some interesting loot here and there. (like the sylvanas bow that I'm quite happy about even though I don't even play hunter)
She still has the night warrior power, she is just fully in control of it now and is no longer blinded by rage. There is actual dialogue that confirms that.
@@stepanpytlik4021 Dialogue datamined by wowhead, source is currently unknown: "When I first became the Night Warrior, it was with full knowledge that I might very well sacrifice my life to attain justice for the kaldorei. Such is often the fate of those who channel Elune's unmitigated fury. The power of the goddess still flows through me, but no longer does it threaten to tear me asunder. I cannot say how I will wield it in the future... only that I must do so for the good of my people". There is also the fact that after the ritual she still holds the title of night warrior.
1. Anduin is gonna be locked away when he's not useful to the jailer. 2. The Jailer sees Anduin as important and would want to keep him in essentially supermax prison. 3. Where else would he keep Arthas's stinky old soul? Now here's the twist, what's the most Anduin thing Anduin can do? Anduin is gonna finally have a face to face with the person who's been haunting him since Pandaria and he's gonna try to save him. Anduin will probably realize that this is his one chance to prove he's different by saving Arthas and he'll do it by showing Arthas the person he could've been if things were different. Hopefully this inspires Arthas to do something herioc and become our Vegeta to our Anduin Goku. Edit: Had this idea when I watched bellular's video a few days ago. The last sentence is mostly a joke but I think Anduin could really inspire Arthas into at least trying to atone in Revendreth.
Well, Elune did talk to the alliance PC in Cataclysm (He Who Would Be Forgiven quest), so, not the 1st time. Tyrande not participating in Sylvanas fight is one of those things that make me think "is there a way to play so that not a single penny from subscription goes to the writing team, or I shouls just cancel it altogether". [removed stuff; you know, I do not think there is much point in mentioning every odd or contradictory thing that happens throughout Shadowlands, so, I'll just throw away all my frustration at the dev team and say] Glad you're enjoying the way the story goes forward. Not my cup of tea though. gl hf
I mean, I wish the Kyrian reconciliation arch was a surprise, but then again Blizz has had a transmog "of the Harmonious" set (or some similar name) on their vendors since launch. What I'm hoping about all those souls left to suffer in Torgast is that there is no point to rescue them since the Arbiter is still out of commission. Hopefully, though, there will be a story beat at the end of the expansion where they are all rescued, because otherwise that is a really, really, really shit ways to treat all those characters.
I like the pacing of the story... as long as the story's pace didn't out pace the patch that we're in. It feels like months since I had a quest of lore to experience and that is after I finished all the covenants and went on the quests Bolvar felt like he needed to send me on. I'm getting bored, but it's given me enough time to do the covenant quest lines 2 more times over 8 alts... making a full 3 completed stories of each covenant. I need this 9.1 patch released NOW.
I know it's not super feasible to do all that much, but I think some of these quest lines could benefit from some character-race-specific or class-specific dialogue goodies/acknowledgements. Like the Frostmourne bit. - Sincerely, a Forsaken main now faced with the idea of saving not just Sylvanas for redemption, but Arthas too.
the original harvester of wrath's name is sybble anyways she atm is one of those scorched ghoul venthyr in the ember ward. you follower to that mad duke person. go through all that area again and youl see this.
has every1 else forgot that we were all obsessed with why the arbiter broke in the first place?! this never got resolved... Maybe when uther dropped a massively powerful soul (arthus) into the maw bypassing the arbiter this is what caused her to fail? (i say her, but really making a computer look like a female doesnt make it a female does it. she is definitely a machine right?) but yeah, maybe this is what broker her. i mean broke her. that has definite other connotations.
Love the fact that you put Jaina's picture for the "order" dreadlord in the cosmic realm overview xD
They always put her among the dreadlords. Watch out for it whenever tali talks about the wingboys
Ok I've seen / heard this many a time, but why are people saying Jaina is a dreadlord?
@@darth-imperius It stems from a theory that youtuber Jesse Cox (previously known as OMFGcata) presented after the Siege of Orgrimmar ending cinematic, where Jaina tried to convince Varian Vrynn to annihilate the horde there and then.
Jesse Cox thought that this was so out of character for Jaina, as she had sacrificed so much for peace between the Horde and Alliance (her father being a notable example)
That he came up with the 'conspiracy theory' that Jaina was dead/gone and had been replaced with a dreadlord that took on her appearance.
This garnered quite a bit of attention as a meme and satire for WoW's story arc for some of it's older characters. But it didn't really blow up till the question was asked during a blizzcon QnA session with the devs, where they were asked by an attendee if "Jaina is a dreadlord?"
Boom, theory spread around the community and has stuck around as a meme for all these years.
(I can't remember if it actually was Jesse Cox who asked it the first time around during a blizzcon, but he's had many funny interaction with the lore devs post this where they'll banter about her being/not being a dreadlord)
@@WondderWaffel thanks for taking the time to tell me all of this.
The notable example of Jaina being originally so strongly in favor of peace that she refused to help her father who renewed war against the Horde... and then later she acted as mustache twirling villain in purge of Dalaran and later at the end of Siege of Orgimmar, it also convince me that she HAS TO BE a Dreadlord. Even after the whole BFA arc, it's still kinda easier for me to believe that the Dread Lord just learned to be a better actor, than thinking Jaina was herself the whole time.
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I have a baaaad feeling about this.
You are a bold one
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Including Jaina in that Dreadlord presentation really made me laugh!
It hit me today. That last chapter. It's the Sword. This whole xpac Zoval is never shown with a weapon. He escapes at the end of the raid and he's going to need a weapon to do whatever it is his big plans are. And hey, looky here, a giant uber powerful Titan's sword conveniently stuck in Azeroth that everyone has forgotten about..
Who do you think Sargeras left it for 🙃
Lord Illidan will save us.
Calling it now, Sybille is the original harvester of wrath
You son of a bitch! I'm in!
That was my first thought too!
I THOUGHT THAT TOO
OHHHHHH that's good!!! I just thought Sybille was a play on sibyl (an old greek word for prophet) since she says weird things, but Theotar does call her "Lady" Sybille!
Could be that she was the first being ever banished to the Ember Ward after the Naaru turned into a Light-blasted hellscape.
This was fantastic editing; just top-notch, made this video a joy to watch.
"loreboners" The child in me couldn't stop laughing at that
3:45 Man, we’ve been getting fooled into doing bad guy dirty work for 15 years. Honestly, it’s insulting at this point that we’re portrayed as being so dumb.
Like, OK, accidentally helping an old hermit build an abomination and unleash it on Darkshire is one thing, but bringing one of the only two remaining macguffins into the Dark Lord’s palace is a truly boob move.
What if...We been the bad guys the whole time?
Still not as bad as Horde players giving Sylvanas that damned dagger
@@catxborsuq1 Handing over KT's phylactery in Classic wasn't a very clever move either, tbh.
Yeah are you telling me my char can't figure out that I shouldn't bring what the jailor wants right to his front door...
Haha..... Boob.
Honestly I thought that Sylvanas' soul-split was basically confirmed the second I saw the book cover of the new Sylvanas book by Christie Golden coming out in November. I don't think it's a coincidence that Blizzard decided that Sylvanas be portrayed split on the book cover, with the same gold and blue colors of Uther's soul-split from the cinematic we saw. Just my two cents though. Maybe others can chime in.
Same, I always thought it seems pretty obvious after we saw what actually happened to Uther's soul.
You just couldn't resist the Jaina as a Dreadlord, could you? :)
I don't know why but whenever Tali says "Join us" it makes me think of the first trailers for Dragon Age Origins.
Confirmed Tali is secretly a Grey Warden
Taliesin talking about WoW is more entertaining than the actual game.
If Kael who is sane elf, did betray his whole race (also others) just for power, can seek redemption I'm pretty sure soul-consumed, mind controlled Arthas deserve more than that.
please now everyones acting like hes been mind controlled since day 1.
Arthas is not mind controlled, read the book for gods sake. even blizzard said arthas did everything with his own will
@@hasanarkan yeh thats right but i believe they retconned some and said since he got the sword he lost his soul so everyones saying he was mind controlled.
@@reecedactyl no no, he killed even nerzul and take full control of the lich king
@@hasanarkan i know i've read the book, he killed nerzhul and the child arthas representing his humanity. people these days are saying he was mind controlled by the jailer ever since he picked up the sword
well there is the theory that the place Sylvanas ended up was Ardenweald, the folklore book says that when Vereesa was looking where sylvanas soul was going, she found herself in a forest.
Ahhh lore from Tali...eeeeeeeeeeeee! Okayy, gogogogogo!
There's just so many other issues with the game that drove me away, and don't seem to be getting addressed anytime soon, that I can't see myself coming back. So I'm counting on you and other lore channels to fill me in on this stuff.
That's where I'm at. Love the channel, and I love the lore, but I just don't think I will be playing this game again. Maybe some day, Blizzard will respect folks time again, but t certainly won't be anytime soon.
I dont like how they reveal all the old lore things in one expansion... And that everything we learned and happend did just happen because of a boring bad guy called the jailer ...
He is the most boring Charakter.
All this rewriting of old and good lore and storys... Its sad.
@ezlyfe Balance for one. I was playing a monk. I started out as Necrolord because I liked the aesthetic and the ability was interesting to me and was ok for healing and tanking, but as my guild started prog in Mythic and I was needed as DPS more often I was always at the bottom of the meters. That got old fast. So I switched to Kyrian, and saw improvements of around 1k dps. Other classes felt frustrating as well. Warlocks best covenant last I checked was Night Fae which is weird, Shaman had completely opposite bests for Elemental and enhance. Rogues had all the covenants best as different points. Why don't they just make them like an extra talent row.
These borrowed power system have gotten old. World Quests are boring as hell but if you're on a budget and pay for the game with WoW tokens like I did you kind of have to do them or at least the callings for the free gold, and that's on top of any other farming to make or save gold. It starts to feel like a job that pays $15 a month in game time. It almost feels like a mobile game at times with the daily quests and the great vault being like a gacha mechanic that you pay for with time.
Mythic Plus is a personal gripe. In legion it was kinda of meh, and BFA I tolerated doing one max key a week, but now I'm just done with them.
There's other things that led me to leave the game also. like my growing distaste for Actiblizz, and some personal reasons.
Or maybe I've just grown different tastes. The game just isn't worth the time for me anymore.
@@RukkuHeizen the covenants are getting more balanced for the majority of classes I'd say. Monk will always be best Kyrian or NF, but for Lock seems like Necro will be good, and kyrian was never terrible.... Shaman still has the same "BiS" issue, but neither of them are terrible for the other spec imo
"Palpashrivels" is now in the running for word of the year. Thank you very much Tali XD
Im torn between not wanting spoilers and also desperately wanting to watch a T&E video
Ever since the launch of Shadowlands, I've had a lot of trouble gathering the motivation to continue playing current content once I got my main to 60. It was probably a combination of work overload during Thanksgiving and Christmas when it first launched, and helping my son with distance learning at the time (restrictions have been lifted since), that I was just too exhausted to play. This put my once progression-raiding character behind everyone else, and thus, overwhelming the crap out of me. This video...this specific video seems to have put that spark back into me. I feel like I can't wait to catch up, get geared, and find out what happens next. Thank You!
Tali I never tire of your delicious way with words. "The Boy Scout Smurflord Afterparty" and "Palpashrivels" had me laughsnorting into my cup of tea. Bravo sir, Bravo. I might even resub to WoW for 9.1 for a while.
This channel is my only connection to WoW lore these days and I love you for it.
13:40 Thrall met Draka before in WoD but had absolutely no reaction when speaking to her
Wasn't that the "wrong" Draka though anyway? WoD Draka isn't Thrall's mother.
@@maximiliangfrorer1039 he wasn't born yet in that time line, but to him he should have been. If you travel back in time and meet your deceased mother, would you have no reaction?
"boy scout smurflord afterparty." ROFLMAO
I want to say thank you... Shadowlands drag has hit hard. Been doing a lot of Classic getting ready for BC, but this video has got me hyped for 9.1.
I'd like to think that after Devos and Uther dropped him in the Maw, Arthas has been hiding and striking out against the Jalier. Imagine if we, along with Bolvar, Jaina, and Calia are saved by a group of souls, led by Arthas.
Yay a new T&E video! You guys haven’t been kidnapped by Sylvanas after all!
Did Evitel just call Talie a stallion? xD
Was hoping to fin this comment.
Tbf, he probably gets ridden as much as a stallion.
We've seen a lot of dead people in the Shadowlands, but there's one crucial lore figure we haven't seen yet. One that I feel will play a major role in 9.2, possibly even being the key to everything going on in the Shadowlands and beyond. That key figure - Orc Sea Pup, who died after a horrible sideways pooping accident.
Hey! Another great video...
However weirdly so I am coming to the comment section in oder to give you guys kudos for the ad :D
It is one of the better adds I've seen lately (entertaining) and initially I was going for the skip (but staied for Evertell) but the add itself was useful and fun... So actual kudos to you guys... I hope this whole thing works out for you since you are great and awesome... Even Tally
When Elune speaks it's going to be like that scene from the movie Dogma and all of their heads will explode.
I love these videos so much.
Taliesin is a great with the jokes and high energy and Evi even when excited is generally just very calming and pleasant to hear. Idek but keep it up fam
I'm pretty sure I will need sunglasses for that neon sign they are advertising Sylvanas' redemption with. I think I can deal with her walking away without consequence like she's going to, but I will freaking lose it if some Xe'ra 2.0 tells me how awful I was for holding hatred in my heart for her.
Good for you. I can't. I've been playing as night elf since 2006. There is no way there can be no consequences for burning alive almost an entire species like that, not to mention destroying a World Tree blessed by Alexstrasza and Ysera to boot.
@@catxborsuq1 I get that, but IF they had Sylvanas go the atonement route in Revendreth (where she has to feel all the pain she's caused) as opposed to the straightforward redemption route (where she's just a good guy then and goes back to the Horde or whatever) I could be alright with that.
I'm a night elf main as well. I loved that the BFA storyline brought back the warrior side of our folks (since I feel like public perception of night elves has been the hippie druids), and the Teldrassil mission made me feel very sad (even though it was very well done). IF Blizzard just lets her go without consequence I will be very upset.
Why does everyone think Sylvanas will face no consequences? Because Keerigan didn’t? That’s a completely different franchise! Starcraft can have black and gray morality. Starcraft can have bad guys face zero consequences. I mean nobody has clean hands by the end of Starcraft III. Just who exactly had the moral authority to prosecute Kerrigan? Starcraft is sci-fi. It can be more realistic. It’s supposedly set in the real world, in the distant future but still. Bad guys don’t always face consequences in the real world. But in WoW, they must, because WoW is high fantasy. People exist who absolutely have the moral authority, and the power, to prosecute Sylvanas: even if we can’t or won’t. Her sisters, for starters. And when has a character in WoW ever faced *no* consequences whatsoever for their actions? Obviously you can debate whether certain punishments were sufficient, but that is a different discussion.
Oh and also: did you somehow miss the part where X’era got sploded? Why does everyone think she was meant to be some paragon of goodness? It should have been obvious something was not quite right after the Black Rook Hold flashback when she was all like “what would you have done differently?”
Idk bitch, maybe asked first? Like “hey, I know of a spell that can kill all these demons but I’m gonna need to drain all your power to cast it”. I mean idk, but if I was a Moonguard member and Illidan said that to me I’d have been like “yeah, sure, go ahead”. It’s not like they were under any illusions about the odds: they came there to die anyways. What those Moon Guard mages were hoping for was that their deaths would have an impact. And you can accuse Illidan of many things, but not of wasting power. If I let Illidan drain me, I’d know that he would make every last bit of my power count. That’s good enough for me. All he needed to do was ask. Just like with the Draenei spirits in Auchindoun. Akama is a shaman, he can talk to spirits. The spirits in question were Draenei. How many of them would honestly have refused to give up their afterlife for the Legion’s defeat? Illidan was opening a portal to acquire the Sargerite keystone which would allow him to take the fight to Antorus directly. And the Illidari+the Army of the Light could totally have taken on Antorus. Basically the entire Legion expansion happened because Illidan was a massive douche for no reason.
@@sophiejones7727 The Illidan flashback quests have plenty of details that don't match the lore, which actually got many fans of the War of the Ancients trilogy confused. Like how upset Illidan was when Cenarius would no longer teach druidism, when in reality he didn't care. Or how Broxigar was honored to fight beside him, when he was actually pissed at Illidan for burning his hands. Those visions were clearly altered by Xe'ra to make Illidan look more sympathetic to us heroes. Xe'ra believed Illidan was the the "Child of Light and Shadow", and that she could convert him to the Light. She was obviously mistaken, like with many other things.
As for Sylvanas, I'm sure this fear many have that she will turn out to be the true hero all along and face no consequences for her action, is because of all the fanboys who believe their queen can do no wrong, and tinfoil hats like Accolonn and Pyromancer who believe the good guys are actually the bad guys and vice- versa. The fact that Steve Danuser himself, the guys who's in charge of the narrative, loves the Banshee Queen, has also got many people worried. I'm slightly worried too, but I'm mostly sure they would never go as far as to justify Sylvanas' actions just to please one part of the lore community. Sylvanas will face the consequences, one way or another.
I imagine in my mind... a scenario in which some entity tries to scold us for hating Sylvanas, and while it's half way through a sentence Tyrande or Bolvar just one-shots it and says "screw you we're still killing her". I don't think that would happen, nor do I think it'd be a smart storytelling decision, but I'd still crap my pants laughing
about Elune
if you follow the talk after the film sequence
you notice that tyrande gives the statement
the tear is both hers and Elunes
one asks the question as if the pillar of creation is make
in a similar way
it was possible that Eona was strengthened by Elune
that would explain why Eona's Pillar of Creation is named after Elune
Ardenwield/Elune lore: Nice
Dreadlord/Denathrius lore: Nice
Uther lore: "Devos lead me down a dark path..." /facepalm
Arthas' redemtion lore: [in case of low player engagement, break this Arthas glass for maximum nostalgia]
Um, she did. Why the facepalm?
@@catxborsuq1 Uh, Nope. You know why.
"He cheated on the Mak'gora"
this bothers me a lot, he used the power of the elements a power well respected among the orc clans and people still say he "Cheated"? in a Mak'gora you fight to the death with what you got in the moment of the fight that is the actual rules.
the element are his powers, a part of himself and not to mention he was already fighting Garrosh with it from the very beginning (did you not notice the thundering clouds from the start?).
Thrall didn't cheat Garrosh just underestimated his enemy and picked a fight with the wrong person, another thing to note is that there is literally NO RULE against the used of elemental powers in a Mak'gora.
do you know why Gul'dan in the movie was consider a cheater when he used fel magic against Durutan? Fel magic is not a power recognize or respected among the Orc clans in fact it is consider a disgusting dishonorable outside power.
do you know why Saurfan using the blade of his enemy for fight with Silvanas in a mak'gora wasn't considered a cheat too? Varian's sword is a true warriors sword and Saurfan wasn't just representing the horde in that fight he was representing Azeroth, azeroth's true strength wish is the alliance and the horde.
I was under the impression that using other than your physical body in. Mak'gora was cheating. But then that's just based off limited observation. I would like to know the source you used to state that elemental powers are allowed by virtue of being respected. By that metric, could other powers become part of the culture and eventually be accepted in use during a Mak'gora?
Using magic, all kinds of it is forbidden in Mak'gora. That was cheating.
Gul'dan was considered cheater because he used the god damn magic and so did Thrall. Do you honestly believe an average Orc - obviously a fighter of flesh and blood - can tell you a difference between Frost Magic, Fire Magic, Arcane Magic, Void Magic, Fel Magic, Elements Magic and so on, whatever? LMAO :D
Dude stop making up your own stories to justify something that a character you like did wrong. He cheated, period. Does that make him bad? Absolutely not. The 1 thing everyone misses is that Thrall was raised by humans, he wasnt teached the Orc ways of life since his birth and thats a difference.
All i mean is that, i think we can all agree that he cheated and that was a scummy move from Orc-perspective but given the circumstances, we can forgive him :P
Thrall was using the Elements against Garrosh in their first Mak'Gora before Wrath of the Lich King an nobody batted an eye. It seems clear, from that, that using the elements wasn't cheating.
@@dvls442 yeah and garrosh cheated by using a poisoned blade against cairne. Let's just not pretend these big lore mak'gora fights have been "honorable" as a whole.
@@tumppu1975 yeah he did, doesnt change the fact that thrall cheated in this fight :D
I almost never comment taly but after watching these for years the palpashrivel term is so good i had to give u serious props
I totally love the comedic runs here
So if the Kyrian get to keep their memories now, does that mean they're going to poach Mograine from Maldraxxus?
That’s a very good question actually
I think after being there for years and becoming loyal to his house Mograine would choose to stay in Maldraxxus even if the memory thing is now optional.
implying team super intern can do much more than write bad sylvanas fanfiction is a bit much. They probably already forgot about that story point for the covenants.
@N-word Jim Hell, if what we learn from in-game is any indication, Maldraxxus has had to stop the light from poaching souls from the Shadowlands.
It makes absolutely NO sense at all whatsoever that Elune is the Winter Queen's sister! Because Eonar should be the Winter Queen's sister and it would make the most sense that she would be the Winter Queens sister as opposed to Elune being the Winter Queen's sister, Because if Eonar the LIFE-BINDER is considered her sister. Then wouldn't it make sense for her As the Titan of life she basically would be the Winter Queen’s living world counterpart right ? 🤔 Lets discuss why it makes more sense for Eonar to be the Winter Queens sister instead of Elune:
1: Elune is seen to grant powers of light, arcane, shadow (to the night warriors) and to be fair, has connections to wild gods and life as well but she is a quite versatile deity… nothing about Elune contrasts the winter queen as her summer counterpart.
2: Elune is depicted as a true deity above the titans and eternal ones, she wouldn’t be on the level of the Winter Queen, if anything Elune could be a mother to the winter queen and her sister as a First One (as some theorize)
3: Elune’s doesn’t have a connection to Ysera or the dragonflights other than cleansing her from the Nightmare and delivering her to a wildseed in Ardenweald, Elune’s cleansing power isn’t something attributed to the emerald dream but is of her LIGHT (as proven by the Flynn/Shaw short story where her holy waters purges a corrupted artifact at a moonwell)
4: Chronicle said that Freya BESEECHED (asked) Eonar to empower the two sisters Ysera and Alexstrazsa after they proved they could be defenders of Azeroth after defeating Galakrond. Eonar gave a piece of her essence to Ysera and Alexstrazsa to make them aspects, Eonar BOUND Ysera to the dream and gave her and Alex their specific tasks… making more sense for Ysera to be Eonar / Life’s pet than Elune.
5: The reason why people think it is Elune is because of Legion’s Val’sharah, but think of it this way: If we fought Ysera in westfall and not the temple of Elune, and she was killed by farmer joe and not Tyrande, would Elune still cleanse and deliver her to Ardenweald? It’s nothing confirmed but puts things into perspective.
6: Elune does share a connection with Ysera in terms of Cenarius and Malorne and such, I see that more of an Elune being a motherly deity to the night elves and the druidic path they set for their race.
Conclusion: Elune has always been attributed to a goddess of Light, and some magic which calls upon her seems to be Arcane and more recently we find out she has been granting shadow powers to night warriors since at least pre-war of the ancients… the sister contrast isn't there with the Winter Queen and the most plausible connection is Elune is a First One, a higher deity.
Bonus: Winter Queen seems to have a bad past or negative relationship with her sister, Elune is an aloof goddess who is never personified with emotions and just doesn’t seem on the same level of these death/order panthons, where Eonar is more ““finite”” (i say vaguely) in the sense that she is a more humanized deity that we can see and have interacted with and have more concrete and stronger connections to Ysera (as mentioned, Ysera has a piece of Eonar’s essence in her)
Thank you for making me almost choke laughing at your description of thrall.
Lores face for that joke was fuckhn hilarious. And Jaina dreadlord fuckhn mint.
I loved that ad break, like seriously well done
"Theotherday" the Shaman is amazing
After multiple refreshes for updates every week.. welcome back :D
Me: how many goosebumps can i get from this?
Goosebumps: all of them
Great video! Absolutely love the T&E youtube stuff; can't wait for the next Weekly Reset!
It’s not only the game that shows that elune is The sister but those new story bites that came out or are about to come out I think in late June or July they gave away a few snippets and they literally say that elune is her sister and that she “must live “in the life lands
I don't even play WoW. Pretty much never have played it all. Yet I still watch you guys.
11:07 chefs kiss for that meme insert Tali.
20$ says elune speaks through the magic and mystery of chat boxes and text! Oooooohhh! Ahhhhhhhhh! Jazz hands! Yeah! 👐
you guys always make me smile
I subbed for audible just for you guys and to check out Evi's recommendations ;) thanks for making my day time and time again
Talie!! I'm glad I redeemed those points to grt a video out :p. Great vid bud
IMO the story has been the best part of Shadowlands. It seems to be handled much more deftly than BFA's story.
I've seen many things that say that sylvanas is alive but here's what nobody has mentioned, Uther's soul fragment looks like the shard zoval shot at her at the end of the raid, she gained her soul completely was resurrected and then died from mortal wounds gained either by us or everything she has been through, she was killed because of zoval "repaying" her
I love the fact that at least Blizzard seems to recognize that some important characters didn't have a true ending and they are trying to give us that, also that they are trying to reveal some secrets we always wondered but didn't think they would give us some answers. It's very refreshing to see that.
that palpatine bit - *chef's kiss*
Thanks, you actually reminded me to take my heart medicine
plot twist: lady moonberry is the original harvester of wrath
Love your content guys. Can't wait till next video.
Honestly I hate Sylvanas but a potential revelation that she died a hero and everything she did after being raised was specifically not her own will and only continued to cause her pain and suffering is a pretty solid story element. We could even have her basically reverted to a time before she was a banshee and she could end up helping us to stop the jailer after being betrayed.
Story is awesome. As a lore nerd I love it. Gameplay tho? i hate all the weekly "need to do" I hate the covenant power. the anima. everything that is "needed" each week..
"Boyscout smurf Lord after-party" is such an amazing description 👏
"Five Keys to open our way, Five Torches to light our path" Wonder if this is about the sigils?
ngl I want that 5 part epic video series on the history of the Tuskarr
Evitel thank you i love you. Your return made this shit worth watching.
I wish they had a new model for Arthas
3:09 Runecarver is Vendel from TrollHunter - with a robe on.
Story-wise I always was interested enough and entertained enough in wow. Those usually aren't the twist-filled awesome stunning stories I wish they were, but let's be honest, it's an MMO, how thrilling can you truly make a story in those. What I fear more in shadowlands future are blizz-typical systems upon systems and dragging out stuff fans were crying out for over a year: bringing back tier sets and some interesting loot here and there. (like the sylvanas bow that I'm quite happy about even though I don't even play hunter)
Considering that we have been doing quests that made us look like we don't actually think things clearly then yeah, that Primus part is up our alley.
I needed this video !!
YES palpa shrivels so true! love you guys keep up the good work.
Tyrande should have gone on a bigger rampage before losing her power. Let's see what that power can do.
She still has the night warrior power, she is just fully in control of it now and is no longer blinded by rage. There is actual dialogue that confirms that.
@@seanh1321 It's not confirmed yet.
@@stepanpytlik4021 Dialogue datamined by wowhead, source is currently unknown:
"When I first became the Night Warrior, it was with full knowledge that I might very well sacrifice my life to attain justice for the kaldorei. Such is often the fate of those who channel Elune's unmitigated fury. The power of the goddess still flows through me, but no longer does it threaten to tear me asunder. I cannot say how I will wield it in the future... only that I must do so for the good of my people".
There is also the fact that after the ritual she still holds the title of night warrior.
@@seanh1321 dopeeeeee
A whole lot of nothing.
Shriveled Prune Santa....LOST IT XD
Oh wow I'm glad this was released just in time for me to fit it in before work
What about the part of Uther's soul that Paladins find at his Tomb?
Jaina dreadlord confirmed
1. Anduin is gonna be locked away when he's not useful to the jailer.
2. The Jailer sees Anduin as important and would want to keep him in essentially supermax prison.
3. Where else would he keep Arthas's stinky old soul?
Now here's the twist, what's the most Anduin thing Anduin can do? Anduin is gonna finally have a face to face with the person who's been haunting him since Pandaria and he's gonna try to save him. Anduin will probably realize that this is his one chance to prove he's different by saving Arthas and he'll do it by showing Arthas the person he could've been if things were different. Hopefully this inspires Arthas to do something herioc and become our Vegeta to our Anduin Goku.
Edit: Had this idea when I watched bellular's video a few days ago. The last sentence is mostly a joke but I think Anduin could really inspire Arthas into at least trying to atone in Revendreth.
GIVE US THE 5 PART EPIC MEGA SERIES ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE TUSKARR
Well, Elune did talk to the alliance PC in Cataclysm (He Who Would Be Forgiven quest), so, not the 1st time.
Tyrande not participating in Sylvanas fight is one of those things that make me think "is there a way to play so that not a single penny from subscription goes to the writing team, or I shouls just cancel it altogether".
[removed stuff;
you know, I do not think there is much point in mentioning every odd or contradictory thing that happens throughout Shadowlands, so, I'll just throw away all my frustration at the dev team and say]
Glad you're enjoying the way the story goes forward. Not my cup of tea though.
gl hf
Great Video. The question I have is after seeing all these lore characters is were is Varian?
Palpashrivels...pure genius
Adding Jaina in the dreadlord group, just... *chefs kisses
Each realm of magic has a sister for sure. Eonar is of the Arcane Lands? I want to see the Fel sister lol.
Have anyone else notice that Varimathras belt is the Runecarver face and has the same chains
I mean, I wish the Kyrian reconciliation arch was a surprise, but then again Blizz has had a transmog "of the Harmonious" set (or some similar name) on their vendors since launch.
What I'm hoping about all those souls left to suffer in Torgast is that there is no point to rescue them since the Arbiter is still out of commission. Hopefully, though, there will be a story beat at the end of the expansion where they are all rescued, because otherwise that is a really, really, really shit ways to treat all those characters.
"Also a pretty big reveal in this scene is.."
*RAID SHADOW LEGENDS AD STORMS IN THE ROOM*
well done Raid shadow legends..well done.
I could see the Dread Lord home world being a future patch similar to the Argus patch in Legion
Haha that Jaina dread lord joke😂😂😂😂😂😂
I like the pacing of the story... as long as the story's pace didn't out pace the patch that we're in. It feels like months since I had a quest of lore to experience and that is after I finished all the covenants and went on the quests Bolvar felt like he needed to send me on. I'm getting bored, but it's given me enough time to do the covenant quest lines 2 more times over 8 alts... making a full 3 completed stories of each covenant. I need this 9.1 patch released NOW.
I know it's not super feasible to do all that much, but I think some of these quest lines could benefit from some character-race-specific or class-specific dialogue goodies/acknowledgements. Like the Frostmourne bit.
- Sincerely, a Forsaken main now faced with the idea of saving not just Sylvanas for redemption, but Arthas too.
Remornia is the og stonewright, denathrius turned her into lightbringer sword, Denarhrius is the prince that was promised. You're welcome
Those soul crystals look a lot like the one the jailer put in Anduin's sword... perhaps... Arthas?
the original harvester of wrath's name is sybble anyways she atm is one of those scorched ghoul venthyr in the ember ward. you follower to that mad duke person. go through all that area again and youl see this.
The ad part was funny XD!
Uther saying Devos lead me down that path is interesting as its kinda like saying he didn't have any part it in.
Arhas was(and still IS) the greatest hero this world has seen.
I welcome the Elune-gasm.
I want Arthas to come back man
has every1 else forgot that we were all obsessed with why the arbiter broke in the first place?! this never got resolved... Maybe when uther dropped a massively powerful soul (arthus) into the maw bypassing the arbiter this is what caused her to fail? (i say her, but really making a computer look like a female doesnt make it a female does it. she is definitely a machine right?) but yeah, maybe this is what broker her. i mean broke her. that has definite other connotations.