The moment the scapegoat of the narcissistic family starts setting healthy boundaries, that is the moment when the scapegoat becomes the blacksheep of the family.... . Harsh reality...
Yea I was pointing out shit wasn't right or normal before i hit double digits. I never walked on eggshells though. Maybe because i rebeled against being scapegoated beside my golden child brother so young, the consequences for defending myself became the norm and part of the cycle. I had no idea about all this terminology or that it went deeper than just having a shit mum. But I became the black sheep very early. And it rippled outwards from immediate family through to extended family and into my adult relationships, I definately held onto hope too long, and I think the hope is what kept me speaking up, trying to get them to finally have an "ah ha" moment.
@@LoziPop I'm sorry you had to go through that. I understand it must've been hell. Just like you said, I too rebelled from an early age and I was labeled as "difficult". My brother was the golden child here too. Except we were both physically abused a lot, and he became exactly like them, maybe even worse and I became everything they were not. I just want you to know that you went through hell and you are still fighting, you are an empathetic person with a beautiful heart. And this in my opinion makes you a warrior. A kind hearted warrior. I hope you have a wonderful life ahead and I wish you all the best. I hope you find the right people for yourself because God knows you deserve it. I don't know you, but I want you to know that I'm rooting for you :)
The scapegoat child eventually becomes aware that they have been victimised in their family. They may then notice how this attracted other predatory personalities to them. They may become aware that the root of all of this is because they were taught to have no boundaries in childhood. At this point the scapegoat child may now realise that they need to develop strong boundaries. They need to not be afraid to say "no". They may realise that being alone is better than being disrespected.
Thank you. Something brought me here and i don't know what it was. Coincidence and fate maybe. I am 39 years old and highly empathic. I have been raised by two highly Narcissistic parents and it haunts me every day. I have my cosmetology license and i am full of fears. So much self-loathing that slows me down from becoming something. That little voice in my head always reminding me of how small i am. Should i seek help? As well as continue to watch these videos? I want to leave this apartment. This home is no longer where the heart is. My cat was put down in July of 2020 and my life ended. I lost my trustworthy love.
I've gotten "Oh Stop! That's not true and i'm tired of hearing about it!" when trying to tell them about abusive/unfair family dynamic. Also, as a child "it's all in your head," and "you're imagining things..." The gaslighting and invalidation is endless with these people.
Seems like it's always the most direct, focused, honest, respectfully-spoken comments we make that baffle narcs the most. I learned young that more than two sentence statements were only going to be picked apart or used as ammunition. When you're four, and crying because something really bad just happened, the last thing that's on your mind is "I hope someone can make this worse." Years later, when you're just trying to break even to keep hope and sanity alive, the last thing you're thinking is how inappropriate it was to cry when you were four. It's like they only process what they can use as a blunt instrument. Stay Strong, Ramani peeps 💪
Happened to me too. I went NC before narcissism discussion became a thing. I always said she waged a smear campaign against me and that was the 90’s/2000’s. Now I see the some of my descriptions of the abuse I endured from her are the common terminology used today to describe it! That helped validate my feelings about the whole thing and further underscored my belief that I was being “abused”
My wife was the scapegoat in her family. She's an amazing mom, wife, best friend. She's loving, fiercely loyal to our son and I. She runs a very successful small business and her work ethic is out of this world. Having been around her toxic family and seeing first hand just how sick and twisted the family dynamic is, you couldn't ask for a better human being. I can't even begin to tell you guys how proud I am of her.
I never had kids. I believe I was just to stressed to carry a child. 62 now, but I've been mom, sister, friend to many. My family is so scary to me. I don't know if they realize how toxic they are, because it's all justified.
I decided not to get married bcuz I assumed . marriage will be like my parents' relationship and not have kids bcuz I believed I was defective and so didn't want to make kids who woikd be miserable and defective.
That makes me sigh and swallow. And having thought, done and try to remain as kind as you are. To me now 35, at times when your sorrow is mentioned/attended. Do people doubt your sorrow, or intens emotional display when in unforeseen triggering public scenarios? Doesn't necesarily have to be intens, but it's when roads cross I find it very hard to meet someone halfway, when they don't believe you can cry because they thought of you their hero for never having seen you cry? It's hard, being judged, those few times you actually show yourself. It's as if 2 world crumble. And for some reason those 2 have to be conpared, and 1 has to be the lesser. Always grinds my frickin gears😅✌️
So your super power must be, you can & like to Identify with others and will rush to their aid to intercept what may cause them pain, even if you have to deal with it yourself! .........Admirable
Seeing other friends’ families, I grieved not having a family (abstract) as a kid, but decided to make my own. I don’t miss the family I’m estranged from. No sorrow, just peace.
this is where im at. i am not trying to be uppity or brag but i have become the ULTIMATE reader, i can read people, social situations, social circles, WHATEVER. it makes me feel really good and the feeling of vindication when you (always) turn out to be right feels REALLY good. both my current partner and my ex have said to me, "you are ALWAYS right about things and its really weird" lol. ii hate how i have been treated and that i didnt get a normal human experience, but i dont know if i would trade it for anythign because of these skills i now have. it makes life seem easy.
@@SgtNateHigers Wow... This is my experience. Also scapegoat for everyone my whole life. After the recent passing of my Nanna, after taking care of everyone and being the "glue", often flying Cross country to care for my elders when 70% of my family live in the same city, Deciding to skip the viewing because I didn't want to have to prop everyone else up, JUST THIS ONE... Now I'm the black sheep.
Moving away was the BEST thing I ever did I accomplished so much and I was so confused as to why I was finally so happy and when I realized it was because I cut the narc out I was blown away. That was the first time I actually realized what was going on.. I was in my late 20s
@@kriistiina111590 I wish I would have figured that out when I was young. I could have saved myself a lot of heartache and pain. I am really encouraged to hear so many people speaking positively about making that break from so much never ending confusion.
@@kriistiina111590 Exactly: I was 31 when I escaped -- and I stayed with an alcoholic partner for years rather than return to the malign orbit of my covert-narcissist mother. (Before you ask, I'm a grateful member of Al-Anon, which helped me hold myself together and recognize -- and resist -- gaslighting when my qualifier tried to pull that nonsense on me.) I'm currently living with my partner/best friend, a fellow straight-edge who is as dedicated to my well-being and healing as to his own, and have finally found an excellent therapist who is helping me work through the considerable residual damage from my childhood scapegoat role; by some miracle, I've always known that, despite all her hateful lies, I was more than enough, which enabled me to make the break I needed (however late), and my current life and human connections reflect that sense.
Well... Not in my family. My siblings are growing and my parents grew. Some are in therapy, some read, some have significant others who help them see with humor. We can grow so can they. But only each of us can figure our if it's worth the potential pain of finding out. Plus nobody completely turns around all their baggage instantly. But then even allowing the possibility that they aren't always perfect is enough in my family
@@youtubingbabs I’m glad that was your situation. If your parents sought help they probably weren’t true Narcissist, maybe Narcissistic tendencies like we all have, with clearly poor patience and communication skills. You all getting well, you all finding comfort in eachother is beautiful and rare indeed.
My Narc father used to tell me all the time: "when you'll have kids, they will fight you back the exact way you are fighting me" I used to tell myself quietly "In order for my kids to fight me, I'll first have to treat them the bad way you're treating me".
My mom said the same to me. She would point out that when I became a teenager I would no longer love her and be a horrible daughter. By the time I was a teenager I build up so much resentment because I did notthing but try to please her. I wish I was as brave as you at that age. Now I know better
This is smart, I think I will do the same because I don’t want to reinforce the idea that I am the victim, the “I was one in the past” but not any longer for sure I will say I am the survivor aka the escape goat as well haha
Pros: -We are empathetic and anticipate people's moods and needs well -We are resilient AF -When we *truly* are in the wrong, we are able to admit it and aren't too prideful -We value peace -As adults we can evolve to recognize gaslighting and avoid abusers after having unhealthy relationships.
I was the scapegoat child in my family system and I actually do not speak to a single person in my family currently at 48 years of age. They gaslighted me into therapy and the therapist told me, "there's absolutely nothing wrong with you, get away from those people."
I remembered at the age of 20 I went to my boyfriend’s parents home. I felt that his mom had some reservations about me but he insisted that I spend time w/ his family. I was nervous. His mom asked me help in the kitchen for either dinner or lunch. I remembered turning to put a gallon of milk on the counter but missed and made a spill on the floor. I started shaking and tearing up. I thought that she would scold like my mom. His mom just looked straight at me and said sweetly it was just milk. Nothing to be worried about. At that moment, I realized that I was traumatized by my mother and needed help. His mother became the mom I dreamed about that day. She just knew what I needed without asking. She saved my life.
Awe that is soooooo great to hear!!! I love her for being there you! I am momma to many gay children, where their parents couldn’t or wouldn’t understand, I always tell them to keep their hearts open for all the Spiritual moms who are there for you!
Same my mom in law is so kind loving and understanding for her kids and extends some kindness to me too. Although she is more protective of her son than me but even at her worst she isnt even 1% of my mom lol. IDK whether to cry or laugh at this
And eventually getting yourself down becomes a defense mechanism. Feeling despair after feeling happiness becomes the norm, part of defense. "If I'm not happy, I won't get attacked". It's not easy to recognize this and then bit by bit separate yourself from it. Since that defense mechanism worked so well for so long since you were so little...
@@mozhodzhodzho So so true. I think of it also akin to a constant vigilance that 'something could go wrong' when things are picking up and going well to almost pre-empt myself the pain and disappointment. Thankfully I'm starting to shed that pattern and sending healing that you are too ❤.
I think it's a very lonely time after you go no contact and FINALLY have broken that cycle. So glad I did it but there's a grieving process of what COULD/SHOULD have been but never was or will be. I am finally taking some steps forward and embracing my gifts as an empath ☺❤
@@TheEmeraldLady that was my fear for such a long time especially when I was pregnant with my first baby. I have three now and I’m so intentional with my parenting. These videos really help.
Only if they wake up in time and don't allow their children to be around the narc "grandma" (or "grandpa"). Narc Grandma will poison your children's minds against you if you don't keep them away from the narc(s). They will suck the soul out of your child and turn them into a failure to make YOU look bad. I know this from experience. I got to endure a covert narc Mommy Dearest all my life only to get sandwiched inbetween a narc daughter now. Thanks to Mommy Dearest and her sneaky covert scheming with my Golden Child brother, who would take my daughter ...presumably to spend the night with his daughter at HIS house, and instead, dump them both off at Mommy Dearest's so she could perform her witchcraft on their minds.
@@reesedaniel5835 totally agree! I have very limited contact with my narc mum and my narc in laws and my kids never spend any time with them alone!! I refuse to let my children be subjected to that! Sorry to hear about your experience 🤗🤗
Being the scapegoat formed me into a target in my adulthood. I went from being bullied at home, to bullied at school, and then bullied in the workplace. While I know now what I went through wasn't my fault, the anger and rage from the injustice of it all still reigns supreme.
I am so sorry to hear all that you have gone through. It’s not your fault and you deserve to heal and to have happiness. I would recommend to My clients to consider writing a letter to everyone who has hurt you, and if you don’t feel comfortable presenting it to them, that’s okay, as it will serve as an outlet. You can reflect on the letters, grieve over them until you no longer feel triggered by those thoughts, memories, and emotions, and then rip it up into tiny pieces, and maybe bury it for closure. It can also serve as a catharsis to help you cry it all out, for as much as you need to, and then you can maybe consider doing some Deep Breathing and Positive Self-Talk to remind your Inner Child that you are not the blame, and you did nothing wrong. Please consider that crying is like detoxing all of the negative emotions from your body, just as we have to clean out toxic food waste, via elimination, as long as we don’t cry ourselves into a deep hole of despair, where it’s hard to find a way out. Therefore, I would consider researching Deep Breathing and Positive Self-talk or other Coping Skills (Comedy shows may help also), to have a plan in place to help you with the negative thought-stopping, before even writing and processing the letter(s). Be well and be blessed. 8 Ways to Start Healing Your Inner Child www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/inner-child-healing#acknowledge
Some people have a way of recreating childhood dynamics always in their lives, regardless of the setting or characters, if they don't unpack, sort, and heal their childhood trauma. It's not necessarily a conscious choice to be a victim, it's just a phenomenon that happens when people don't sort through it all.
I have been the scapegoat for decades and then my siblings started to teach their children to scapegoat me too. I walked away from that toxic family unit and went no contact...and have since had the ability to embrace my authentic self because I walked away. I am surrounding myself with beautiful friends who are the family I never had. I live a peaceful and loving life now-walking away was the best thing I could have ever done.
My empathy has always been the draw for all narcissists. The thing that narcissists lack that most scapegoats have in spades-that is why they want to crush us. Being a truthteller just pushes them over the edge.
I'd much rather be a scapegoat....than a golden child, flying monkey or the invisible one!.. At 58, I'm OUT, I'm FREE. They're all stuck there in their own filth!
I looked at all of this when I was around 35 and started to see that as the scapegoat I was really the lucky one of the bunch. I am 65 and just tossed the rest of the family after my 96 year old mother finally died. Yes Finally no more barbed stabs from any of them!! I have a codep husband who has high covert tendencies and he does not care to learn a bit about all of this so he is stuck as well. It is really sad to have witnessed it over the years. My sibs are in their 70's and they still are total shitheads. I just tossed the last tie and I am done. Free at Last of it all.
When I cut contact with the whole family I sent a message to the one sister who I thought was neutral (until she too turned), saying politely they are a bunch of leeches and I'm the only one who has made it on my own while they are stuck and when it all becomes public they will get to feel the disapproval of the whole community.
My oldest sister was the scapegoat & you described her as an adult to the T. She's fiercely protective of her children, she does alot of volunteer work & has great empathy for everyone in her life. She has been NC with our mother for several years & she's healthier for it. My abuse started in my teenage years, in my 50's now & just realized thru research that our mother has NPD. I'm now NC & the only one still in contact is our youngest brother & also the GC. There is hope thru research & lots of therapy.
One really good thing about being the family scapegoat is that it frees you up to be true to yourself. Once you realize that nothing you do will make them like or love you.
I have had to repeat “I will never be good enough for her; she will never be satisfied!” to myself so. Many. Times! It is so hard to stop seeking parental approval! I finally stopped, and she keeps trying to “be nice”; but I know if I give her too much information again, she’ll use it against me. It’s over. I’m done playing the game. 😔❤️🩹
When they have persuaded themselves that they really do love you; when they remind you often of how they’ve sacrificed, compromised and fought on your behalf; when - in the heat of an argument - it always shows that really it’s all about them and that they project onto you the negative characteristics they have always manifested themselves; when they berate and belittle you for not being or achieving enough while expecting and demanding that you regularly subordinate your own needs to theirs, however trivial; when they attempt to play you off against your siblings; when they accept no responsibility for any of their failures and selfish choices as a parent but make sure to take all the credit for their children’s successes; when they refuse to acknowledge that their children are adult individuals, insisting instead on referring to you as ‘their children’ though you’re all over 40; when they never apologise without qualification or excuses; when their company feels exhausting, draining, demeaning and yet somehow the urge for intimacy and approval still feels strong; when you know deep down that you’ll never quite measure up and that they seem to compete with you in everything - they’re always better read, higher achieving, better liked, more knowledgeable and informed, smarter, were more attractive than you at their age - and when their love is anything but unconditional; when their standard communication currency is gaslighting, projection, manipulation and bullying… Yes, finally to feel free of that kind of burden will feel like a new lease on life. I have chosen to remain ‘non-contact’ with my own mother, sad to say. She showed her true colours again over Christmas and I decided to refuse to play the game anymore. It hurts. She’s an old woman and needs support, but she does a great job of driving people away: though she’s been blessed with some wonderfully caring and attentive people doing their best to help her, they’ve all been abused, screamed at, defamed and humiliated on a regular basis, as have we, her children. No, it’s not dementia or late-stage crankiness on a normal scale. With her mood swings and flights into furious, vengeful rage, she can go from 0-100 in an instant. Her medical condition (bipolar - used to be diagnosed as ‘manic depression with paranoid delusional schizophrenia’) is almost able to be disregarded: while she’s been on antipsychotic medication her entire adult life, happily the treatment has kept her on a more or less even keel for over a decade. One can suffer from depression (everyday or medically diagnosed and prescribed for) and not act like a narcissistic tyrant; by the same token, managing depression in no way disqualifies one from the entitlement to righteous anger and indignation nor to feeling a bit blue now and then like any other human being. The incredibly destructive egocentrism of a narcissistic parent can be devastating. Paired with the guilt felt by a sibling who witnessed and survived the death of his younger brother in an RTA, factored in with a boarding school education that exacerbated a problem with bedwetting, with being bullied at school then criticised and neglected at home and a father too overburdened with parenting responsibilities as well as the demands of his career to be in a position to offer any support other than the financial sort, our mother’s warped understanding of parenting and failure to offer the consistency, stability and love that define the role of parent has eventuated in a middle-aged son who’s been struggling since early childhood just to keep his head above water emotionally and psychologically. Ironic, how she proudly claims to have ‘brought up’ five children, when what she’s always been best at is bringing us down.
I’ve gone no contact with my Dad since June 2023 and it’s been the best thing I’ve done for myself. I was the one getting picked on by him growing up and he was an enabler of abuse by my elder brother, physically assaulting me. All because I chose a different life and the pursuit of entrepreneurship in a family of academics. Growing up was hell because I supported my mum after their divorce when I was 8. A lot to unpack but I’m grateful I made that decision. My goal is to be a better parent than he ever was
My narcissistic parents, brother & sister scapegoated me until the age of 58, when after much therapy & meds, I went no contact with them. Best decision ever made! They're small people with too many issues. I'm not going to let them ruin my life any more! God is my Rock.
Thank you for sharing! I too am 58y.o I have done so much spiritual, emotional, & psychological work - for decades. Recently, I said NO MORE to all of them. No contact is so incredibly freeing. I've done the work. I get to continue living without being thrown on a landmine everytime something comes up with my elderly Mom. I really didn't think this could happen for me. Ever. And whattya know the fruits of a lifetime of label are blossoming. I. Am. Free.
My husband went no contact 2.5 years ago with his mother, and his brothers cut contact with him when they couldn't guilt trip him and convince him it was all a misunderstanding but his fault. He got the strenght to do this after her lies and manipulation had consequences for our babies. About 2 months ago, he was doubting himself because our kids asked about his family but after like a month he figured it out and we are still free. Don't know how they will react when they find out we're having another baby....
My sister couldn't manipulate me and got so angry she went no contact! Best thing ever I am 50! Not grovelling not ever! Not keeping the peace for the sake of family!
I was 58 too before I had enough of the scapegoating from the two siblings and both parents as well as basically everyone I encountered. My siblings husbands were narcissistic and scapegoated me too. The only thing a scapegoat regrets is not leaving earlier in life than they did.
I was so confused because my family hated me. I was a horrible person in their eyes but everyone outside of our family loved me. Told me how nice, smart, and joyous it was to be my friend. Then I go home and I’m called crazy, depressed, shit starter. In constant trouble for things I did not do or say, argumentative. I would have panic and anxiety attacks. As soon as I went to school, or somewhere they were not everyone loves me.
Oh yes! And they notice and say things like: "When you're with other people all of the sudden you can be nice! If they knew how you act at home, they would be very surprised. Look at you playing this friendly role with that fake friendly voice. One day they will see your true colours!" Meanwhile THEY are the ones acting totally different around other people. Messed up.
The “wait til your husband finds you out” from my mother. They gaslight you into believing you’re mentally ill and will never be good enough anywhere to anyone. So you start to doubt the love you receive from others because you are confused about whose report to believe. As crazy as it sounds to people around me, whenever I hear someone say “you’re a good person” I am taken back.
Yes, I was the scapegoat and bastard in my family. I had things done to me that was truly horrendous. I have been in therapy since I was 22 yrs. I am now 73 yrs old. I got blamed for everything, even my brothers and sister. I never had a drug or alcohol use. I cannot be with a man. I am a well educated woman and a good professional career. My parents turned my siblings against me telling them I was a liar and crazy. I left at 17, and never looked back.
I'm sorry that happened to you Rosana. It's frustrating how people can be so horrible. I can't be in a relationship either. I was the scapegoat and thought my sister the golden child and I were close, only to discover that she made up lies about me to tear me down to our parents and others and realizing that she and my mother are covert narcs. It was such betrayal. 😢 Now I can't trust anyone.
I am the scapegoat.... My wife pulled me out of this 'family' she saved me from a personal hell. She told me recently "I met you, saw that despite your raising you chose to be an amazing man regardless. I decided you were mine...no matter what it took." They tore me down for years, I tried. I was four when my bio mom died, the narcissist came to us a year later. I am 44 and now I am beginning to see what my wife sees. My clients, my friends.... They all tell me what a joy I can be to work with or be around. My work is exceptional because I love what I do.... I found my joy again.
When the scapegoat grows up---watch out!! The entire family will fall apart. Our role as scapegoat, is keeping the peace and holding the dysfunctional family together, however once we have said enough, the whole house of cards falls down...in my experience it did when I walked away---BEST DECISION EVER!!!
It is horrifying (yet at the same time somewhat comforting) to know others have had this same experience. 100% the best decision ever was to walk away and leave them to their evil ways. We can now become the people we were always m meant to be
Yesterday on New Year’s Eve, my mom gathered us all and said “let’s forgive each other for the past mistakes and move on this new year”. I walked away right then and there because I knew her cycle will continue in the same way, but she cheaply wanted forgiveness without even giving an apology.
I love it when narcissists say things like "let's forgive each other", as if both parties have something to apologize for. They'll never own up to their abusive ways.
@@escalatorgoddess2078yup, till this day I don’t think my parents have admitted to doing anything wrong when raising me. My years of therapy says otherwise 😵💫
Yep she would always say "When you grow up and have kids of your own you'll understand." I understand everything she did was wrong and will never do those things to my daughter ever. Not a single day.
I hope the way I write this makes sense, Aloy... But, your refusal to deny the truth made her words true, and truer than she ever could. Simply stated, your mom failed you, but you passed her rigged exam. I have to admire that. Stay Strong 💪
I credit my mother with teaching me everything I needed to know NOT to do as a parent. There were times muddling through parenting when I literally took a breath and thought, "What would mum do?" then, "What is the opposite of that?" Funnily enough it worked every time! I will NEVER understand how or why she was such an abusive B. I couldn't treat anyone the way she treated me...ironically, not even her!
Both my parents said this too. “I can’t wait until you have kids and then they treat you mean” “When you have kids and they put you through hell you’ll see” “You’ll understand once you have kids” Joke was on them because I don’t even want kids LMFAO
I was the family scapegoat for 23 years. I'm finally getting out in a few months. I'm so happy I can almost taste the freedom. One step at a time, one day at a time. I'm getting out of this hell-hole.
I'm trying to reframe it more positively by viewing it as a monastery, or a tropical getaway. I work in my garden, and I have a boat I can take out and disappear into a deserted key. Isolation can be horrific, but I started meditating, and found that really helped me to let go of all that negativity.
I believe showing narcisistic tendencies is a default behavior of many people. It is common to see little children lying and manipulating their parents to do what they want, not go to school, not do their homework etc etc. If these children are not corrected by their parents they will continue to use this behavior with whoever allows them to. They will be everywhere, you are the one who has to establish boundaries.
Aren't you kind! A neighbour's son, same age as mine does this also, he was always a brain and sweet, my son also and is a nurse! Their parents may have been able to instill the incentive to be kind, it just feels better!
I was the scapegoat child and truth teller. I started therapy while trying to escape a sociopath. I have gone no contact with my family of origin several years which has been the most liberating for me. I’m no contact with my ex as well. This enabled me to work on myself and keep my circle narcissist free. I wish peace for all the scapegoated children out there. Thank you Dr Ramani.
@@vemo916 👏🏻so true, one must keep reminding oneself "we don't owe anyone an explanation". And that is a foundation block of our boundary. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
I'm 54 and am just beginning to unravel a lifetime of abuse. Indeed I was the scapegoat. Today I am estranged. Thank goodness I'm now beginning to be able to start putting what happened to me into words.I also have your book here. Thanks Dr. Ramani.
My trauma psychiatrist wanted to meet my Mom. He brought her into 3 sessions and saw first hand how she had no empathy or compassion and was a bully. My Dr told me to go no contact with her. He was the first person to ever validate me and what I went through in my life. He schooled my narc mother and it was life changing. It’s been 8 years this month of no contact with my mother. She has done a smear campaign on me to my family and friends and has gotten worse as she ages. Being a scapegoat even in my 50’s is difficult, lonely and sad. You never feel worthy of love or acceptance. Thank you for all your videos Dr R
Indeed! My narc mom does the smear campaign and has turned my children against me! And she’s definitely worse with age! I will be so glad when she’s gone. It’s so exhausting!
Mine did the same thing all the way till her dying breath. Even after I gave her money and food after my step dad passed. She called me and asked for help. Then after I left and went back home (9 hrs drive) she told everyone I stole from her after step dad died.
I can see how it makes sense. I always get very upset when I see someone else being put down, and feel obliged to step in and defend them. Unfortunately, I also know all too well that wounds are where infection enters and festers as well. Being gaslighted over an extended period of time allowed a lot of darkness to enter into my psyche. It's quite difficult to navigate out of darkness when you can't see where you're going.
I am blown away how you have just explained all 72 years of my life. My mother was the narcissist and I, as the first born daughter, was the scapegoat. My sister two years younger was the golden child. My life would have been very different if I knew all this earlier. I have always been sensitive and an empath. I’m really a good person and I knew that, even though I was being told the opposite. I broke away at age eighteen to live with my father three thousand miles away. I blossomed! I wasn’t being told how stupid and ugly I was. My new family adored me. I went to school, got a job in the beauty industry and I even did some modeling. On visits to see my mother I told her all this but she still made me feel like I wasn’t good enough. (“You’re too thin. Don’t think you can always use your looks to make money.” Blah blah) unfortunately, I met a narcissistic boyfriend who did to me the same things my mom did. I used alcohol to cope. I lost jobs, went to therapy that didn’t help, and made a mess of my life. Long story short, I moved back to the Midwest to get away from that guy and because of the high cost of living in California. I found my way though. Got a job, met a guy, and got married. (He wasn’t good enough for me according to my mom.) That was when I was 34. We have been married nearly 39 years. Happily! How did I do that!? I was very determined. I had an innate faith in myself. Sorry I went on so long. Plus there was a lot more to the family dynamic that there is no room here to get into. It’s just kind of weird hearing someone describe my life! I have been through therapy several times but none of this ever came up. Thank you!
I find it interesting too as Dr. Ramani is perfectly describing my life and my family dynamics in some of these videos. It's a miracle so many of us are alive I reckon from these comments. Take care
"Walking every day on eggshells" resonated deeply. I've been trying to pinpoint where I hold stress in my body. I think it may be in my entire muscle system. Like a rabbit that senses the predator, the stillness I experienced, the stillness that alerted me that it was time to walk on eggshells because mommy and/or daddy were on the edge and about to lose it. I believed as a child, 'one false move on my part will set them off. My childhood was exhausting.
You just echoed my own childhood. It was relentless wasn't it? No wonder I have to deal with waking up at all times of the night. It was a program for self preservation to anticipate it all. Carly Simon had it right in her song Anticipation.
The greatest talent of the covert narcissist is how they manipulate you into believing they are victims... you should feel sorry for them while all the time they are abusing and using you.
On another page, by a different therapist, of comments about a RUclips video about narcissists and CPTSDs - I read a post from a self professed narcissist. Nobody had replied to them! It struck me that we were all a bit nervous around the narcissist. I wanted to reply - but I rationalised that a thumbs up would be enough. The thing is, afterwards, what struck me is how inexorably excruciating it must be to be a self aware narcissist. Can you imagine knowing that you have an irresistible urge to use people, that it stems from earlier psychological damage and you can't stop yourself, but wanting to warn potential victims?! Wanting some communal feeling, support and understanding.. Being completely alone because you're trying to do the right thing... Very troubling. I think I feel a little sorry for narcissists even though I know they would never feel sorry for me.
I was nine months pregnant, when my MIL scolded me for telling her she might make her daughter uncomfortable by packing two pieces of brrad, to go to a barbecue her daughter was having and she wasn't invited to. Not on purpose, her daughter just didn't think of it.
I was the scapegoat and it took me 45 years to learn that fact. After my parents died from cancer I escaped my toxic siblings. I feel robbed but healthier and free. Thank you, Dr. Ramani.
I sure understand what you’re saying. It was when my parents aged that I really began to see the truth of our family dynamics. My sister is the narcissist and I was her scapegoat. I do not understand why or how my parents allowed the situations that occurred. Perhaps they were also victims of a sort to my sister. And robbed describes how I have felt as well. All family ties are gone, including our extended family. But I’m no longer her source of supply. I do wonder who is in that role now and how long they endure her.
@@evathomas9730 🙏 thank you. It’s as though we know each other. My sister is the weapon of destruction on my end as well. All the friends I chose were replicas of my sister too.😓she raised my youngest sibling so I’ve heard all my life how I’m nothing like my sisters. (Thank the Lord)..Blessings to you, Eva. God bless you. With knowledge and spirituality, Dr. Ramani - we will recover.
As the scapegoat when my hideous marriage was done I was independent and happy on my own. But what really made my life so sweet and lovely were all the pets I have had. There’s your unconditional love! I rather bond with animals you can trust rather than with humans you can’t.
I was the scapegoat and truth teller in my family. I went no contact last year which probably saved my life in more ways than one. My only regret- I wish I went no contact sooner. I spent much of my adulthood depressed and chronically ill while dealing with family narc abuse. But I am blessed to say, I'm now free of them.
@hisgraceislove. I suffered as a child and as an adult I was hopeful I would have a better life for me and my child. My unaffectionate uninvolved husband contributed to even more depression and now must go be on my own at age 52. I have nothing more to give after he has moved me too many times to follow his dreams with career promotions, hobbies, schooling, incessant tv and movie 🍿 with no real quality time with his sideline wife. I worked, I also educated myself, but stayed way too long. So sad I wasted my life for my daughter to have suffered from this dysfunction. Why can people just not love and grow together? He never wanted to accept that Jesus is the way. He denies God. He is his own god. I died long ago waiting and praying. Time to move on since I’ve lost way too much.
At 59, I no longer “want” my mom to understand what she’s done and continues to do to me. I no longer “want” her to admit her bad behavior, judgment, attitude towards me, I no longer “want” an apology. I am beyond and over all “those wants”. Now, I “only want” it to stop - in whatever way that manifests itself. I’m done caring if she ever realizes that she’s an abusive, enabled Narc.
It's really hard when you realize your parent REALLY doesn't love you, for whatever reason. It's hard to trust anyone when the person who should have, doesn't. I can't help you, but I can empathize. It's their dysfunction, not yours.
I wish I could get here so badly. I'm 57, been no contact for 2 years. My family treats me like I'm Cruella DeVille and my mother is an adorable dalmation puppy.
@@nancyjohnson5483 That sounds tough. I think if you feel it's a duty, you'll be glad you did this later when she's gone. Mine were more sadistic (actually derived pleasure from psychologically abusing me). I finally had to walk away 100% once I realized what was going on. Only took me 50+ years! :-)
I knew I was the Scapegoat in childhood. What I did not understand was this extended into adulthood and the siblings are used as proxy abusers. I didnt realize that the lying and smear campaign had gone on for decades. I woke up to it after a family mobbing that included violence. I cut them all out over 2 years ago and shocked the hell out of them. Learning about this dynamic has helped me realize it was them and not me. I give them a gift. I handed back all that bs to them to keep. I am no longer the receptacle for their garbage.
I was told by one of my sisters, I'm afraid we'll never see you after the funeral... I replied ...why should I stick around to be smeared and talked (lies) about behind my back. Now, I'm finally free from the toxicity of this dysfunctional family of mine.
I love the power in your comment, I sense a beautiful strength! So glad to see you feel so strong and powerful! I wish you all the best Leslie, you absolutely deserve it my friend :)
You'd think after childhood it would end that would be it but it's not you're still blame for their actions an mistakes an short comings etc as though you're in control of their actions
I always felt like my family bullied me. Being the victim of bullying has made me very compassionate & stoic. I am very thankful for this experience. Good things make us happy, but bad things make us strong.
That's exactly what my mom said. Me. Mom you treat me differently from my siblings. Mom...And look what a well educated, finically independent, strong person you have become..I moved away at 20..all I ever wanted was my mother to say she loves me and is proud of me. It happened on her deathbed.
My twin sister not only had a meltdown and criticized and attacked my life, she also started ripping on my then 5 year old. And that was when I went no contact. She is the golden child, I was the scapegoat. The Black Sheep. And you're right about breaking cycles. I don't want to put my kid through what I went through.
I have one of those sisters. She can never do no wrong in my parents eyes or in anyone else, she's a master manipulator... and believe me she's done a lot of wrongs... unforgivable ones! But family pushed under rug. But the second I made a mistake of any kind, I am attacked... I learned that at very early age., as an adult, I made minimum contact with them all, that includes my other siblings because they all undermined me in every aspect. Even as an adult they treat me like my opinions, my say don't mean a thing.. now after my parents past, I don't have to have a relationship with any of them...GONE!
@@jannavargas5398 Ugh, I have a sibling who also gets away with everything. He does recreational drugs frequently. Nparents complain about the smell, but don't tell him to stop. Once he had a bad LSD trip in public on a hiking excursion with his friends. Who was up all night by his bed caring for him? Nparents. He doesn't contribute to house chores like cleaning, but Nparents give me an earful about it even though I'm the one who often sacrifices my time to do a thorough weekly clean. Lately I've slipped up with the cleaning because I've been stressed, yet they all ganged up on me and made it out to be a huge problem, telling me that I'm this awful and ungrateful person (queue the Nparents' "We gave you food, shelter, clothes" speech). It's so draining. I can't wait to be financially stable enough to leave.
I was the scapegoat until 20yrs ago when I left my parents and siblings behind. Best thing Ive ever done. After I abandoned them I started to feel better.. I thoroughly recommend it to other scapegoats
Well it took me a long time, but, I know who they are now. Life is better without them.....I never did enough...I have a difficult time taking care of just me. ,,,so much guilt....so uncomfortable. But since I've been diagnosed with bone cancer....I have no choice but to take care of myself. This is a whole new adventure.
My older sister was the scapegoat in the family. I was the lost child. Recently I spoke up in her defense about something and must’ve rocked the boat, I became the target of an attempted smear campaign. I think this was retaliation for going to bat for her, and since she limits her contact with several siblings, they needed a new target! I am beginning to understand how painful it must have been for her throughout the years!
When I was 60 yrs old, my only sibling, my younger sister by 14 months, the 'golden child' to our mother, called me & told me she was beginning to understand what I had been telling her for years & why I went no contact with our mother. A HUGE burden lifted from me as she answered my question, "What do you understand?" She really did see some of the sh!t our narcissistic mother heaped on us & especially on me, the scapegoated child. Now she receives the brunt of crap since I went no contact 2 yrs ago.
Yep. I hope my siblings finally admit to all of it and break away like I did. I'll never know because I recently went NC with ALL of them. Was LC for years but enough is enough and the way the world is (if you know, you know) I don't want them anywhere near me.
I have to say that I am a great bully slayer. You develop this inner strength by the empathy and when you witness bullying, you are able to actually make the bully back down- and that’s really hard to do.
Thank you Jesus Christ, "Yeshua Messiah," for modern day technology. We can now communicate and reach out to others, but also to be re assured that we are not Alone.. We can now educate ourselves, and empathize with others, and by sharing with eachother. Hearing others share, like a support group, can teach us new ways and ideas of how to deal with similar problems now in life. What's worked for others, will probably work for us or at least learn which mistakes they have made as well, so maybe we can avoid those same problems as well. Thank all of you for your postings or making a comment...
When the scapegoat finds them self. They will seperate from their family and thrive while watching their family fall apart. At times the scapegoat may want to return the family; but when they think of the peace they have they never return back and live a great life.
I was the scapegoat as a child. At some point I realized that no matter what I did, I would be considered the bad guy. So I left my family, haven't seen or talked to them for over 5 years. Best choice I ever made
Amen. I haven’t spoken to my dad in like three years and it’s finally shown me peace. I love your photo of Medusa-just like scapegoats, she’s gotten an undeserved reputation. But she knows how to protect herself from people who do her wrong. (Patron Saint of grey rock?)
I just recently deleted my email account. Their emails to me were so toxic, I was having a hard time functioning at all. They have this ability to immobilize or incapacitate me for weeks at a time. I already live over 3000 miles away from them, but I'm terrified that they're going to show up on my front door step one of these days. I'm already making plans to leave my home. I have a boat I can stay on. I can't take a chance on them finding me.
I went no contact now for 15 yrs and it’s the best decision I ever made. You will heal and grow further from here, no more abuse to ruin your dreams. I went back to my family once 27 yrs ago after they convinced me that our family needs forgiveness and a new start. I then realized they never changed their behavior and still used the same tactics to abuse me once they lured me back. If a family member reaches out to you for atonement and reconciliation, run! They lie and manipulate with guilt trips, zebras never change their stripes. You are worth living your best life now without them. Never take them back.
I was trained to have no feelings even when I was being hurt, ignored, disrespected. And yet! I was somehow expected to go out in to the world and be assertive and confident! That didn't happen of course. I have had to try five times as hard as anybody else just to be average.
I’m also a scapegoat. It’s taken me 40 years to start to shake off believing I’m a bad person. It’s been hard to accept that the feelings of anger and frustration toward my mother for total emotional neglect and constant invalidation don’t mean I’m bad, it means I’m human and still feel fully. There are many downsides of social media but access to content like this is one of the absolute bright spots- life changing! Thank you.
You’re not bad, I get it I grew up believing I wasn’t worth the air I breathed thanks to siblings and extended family that shoved me out of the loop. Thankfully my parents aren’t narcs but they did enable and gaslight not realizing the damage they were enabling to create. You’re a surviver not a bad person, not a criminal, not at fault in anyway! Your mom owed to you a healthy childhood and failed but I’m sure you’re a better person than most in the world 🤟🏽
I was the scapegoat and the helper until I was 27 and cut the contact to the narcissist parent, which was the only parent. This video, like many of the videos on here, is like hearing my life story told by a doctor whom I don't know. Sometimes isn't very triggering, and sometimes I feel very lucky that I found this channel. I was manipulated by the time I was born and it took a huge step...to turn my back on everything I learned growing up...and give the therapist a chance. Hear them out and trying to review the things they told me. And it was like a puzzle with 5000pieces...falling into place all at once. It was so intense. I am so very lucky I survived my childhood. I was being traumatised in many ways, not only by the day to day drama. There were many things happening that should have put my parent behind bars. But they kept isolating me and my siblings so much. And by the time we were 12, we were so used to not being allowed to tell anyone anything. We wouldn't speak at all. I didn't know how to make friends, and still don't. I have not one friend, that invests as much love and energy in the friendship, as I do. No matter how bad I am doing, I am reaching out to people every day. But they do not answer more than twice a week or so. I often think, I must be too much for them. I don't know. I cut contact to my twin sibling, and one cut the contact with me. It's been 3 years and I don't know why. But it must have to do with my twin. Who is a narcissist as well, as I found out 2 years ago. But didn't fully realise until yesterday, that they already were through my entire childhood. I have a stepsister who is older and with whom I am very good friends. We have 600km between us and she has 2 beautiful kids. They love me very much, even though I am hardly able to visite. The three of them are everything I got. My twin got two kids as well...I am so sorry for them, cos I know what they are going through and will continue to go through. It breaks my heart and I try to help their partner as much as I can. Now that my twin separated from the partner in a state of insanity. I hope they will come to and realise the damage they've done, but I think.... it's all a narcissistic game to them. On a brighter note: I am good, I am mostly out of that hell and this is something not everyone gets to achieve. My empathy is very high and of the charts sometimes. My adapting to prevent chaos and wrath during childhood, makes me stand out in every job. But mostly in a bad way. But is also is nice. I learn very fast and work independent within hours of starting somewhere. It had it's perks
Tell me a parent that actually knew what they were doing? ruclips.net/video/N0WjV6MmCyM/видео.html I was a nanny busy care for kids many narcissists simply wanted to pawn off on others. Many ways to earn a paycheck wasn't even satisfied simply doing that. Did give me the advantage to see glimpses into MANY environments. To come to the conclusion we all make mistakes simply don't make it a willful pattern to repeat the abuse or justify it especially for profit.
Folks, look up the Japanese concept of "Kintsugi." The correlation: Scapegoats have broken psyches. If they become stronger as a result of their experience, they become unique and more beautiful.
This scapegoat grew up, got away and established her own life, with her own family, 800 miles away. A major reason for my happiness over the past 25 years is that I have a strong appreciation and gratitude for the quiet life and wonderful people I now have in it. Compared to the horrible childhood and adolescence I was 'gifted' with from my family of origin, I can now truly enjoy everything I have.
As a former scapegoat, i can attest to this: it is imperative for scapegoats to cut their family of origin off- because what happens is when you become an adult and have kids, your “family” will use YOUR kids now as the fresh supply for their toxic abuse! Narcissist dont change over time, holding onto hope that one day theyll see how much you mean to them, aint gona happen! They actually get worse over time 😢. So please do the inner work, and use those gifts you acquired to help heal others ❤
My mom was a wicked beast who knew, and still knows how to look great in front of people. If she put one ounce of the effort she put into looking good, into actually being good, she might have actually turned into a decent person. I still can't even be in the same room with her without cringing.
WOW, WOW and WOW that is and was my mom in a nut shell. She never said a nice thing to me, ever so my sisters never treated me good either. It didn't change after my mom past away either. So little by little my two older sisters past away and I have a little sister left. But I finally went no contact with her and I feel at peace
@@lanettelarkins2474 I'm sorry you lost your sisters. What you went through sounds very intense. I respect that you typed it out. I truly hope you come out of this thriving. Its so frustrating that people who shouldn't have children do it so freely. They end up not only neglecting them, but abusing them. I don't know about you but I wish what I went through was only neglect. The attempts my mother took to be a mother were so twisted and self serving; Her efforts were bound to be destructive because she never grew up. Ugh, life can be such a mess. Good luck to you, and I wish you nothing but comfort and love.
I left my family behind at the age of 47, and it was the best thing I could have done. Twenty-eight years later my mother finally died at the age of 105, and when I found out, I felt relief.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST 105 YEAES OLD!? OMFG WHY DO THE WORST PEOPLE ALWAYS LIVE THE LONGEST!?!? Glad she is finally out of your life and can't hurt anyone else.
Kind of fighting back tears listening to this. I’m at the stage now where I’m distancing myself from my family. And all the unhealthy connections I accumulated through the years.
ARM’s length is my #1 rule anymore if I don’t personally trust that person to not be civil taking to me, and treat me like an equal? I can’t take them seriously. Don’t let them more closer on your personal life! The few narcs I’ve known seem to do this to me when nobody else is around? That’s what seals the deal for me (a older sibling and an coworker from a couple decades ago.)
watching this , for me it was difficult not to cry. A family therapist when I was a kid, actually made my mom brother & sister leave the room so she could give me the breakdown of what was happening & why - that I was not to blame for the dynamics in my family & that my relatives may never stop doing this & I had to find ways to cope with that in order to adapt & flourish in life. She was right. Even decades later. That feeling that I was "the family joke" never left me.
@@WhatIHaveBeenGiven No - what did Jesus say about hating mother and father, Luke 14:26. Also - I came to divide, - anyone who loves mother and father more than me is not worthy. His teaching is for the scapegoat-
“The punching bag” I remember saying that to myself as a child and I isolated myself to avoid the family dynamic. Described as a free spirit because I did not want to conform to the role given to me. Now 18 months into therapy due to the last abuse marriage now ended and seeing a much different future for myself. I am now “demanding” for people to treat me respectfully
i am not sure about these labels--but i do know i was teased mercilessly by my parents and sisters for wanting a clean house, clean clothes and nice hair. i retreated always to my room and books. i was shy and feared speaking to anyone till high school. then i was ridiculed about boys and good grades--or my achievements were just ignored by my parents. is this scapegoat kind of stuff? my dad hated every choice i made. both parents bought everything for middle child. i always had to pay parents back for any thing like school clothes. all interesting. i guess i am ok . but my the middle sister has taken everything from mother and left her penniless and senile. i am now picking up the pieces and repairing my mother.
@@jillmaxwell4259 please go talk to someone, get professional help. I’ve been in therapy for 18 months now and I’m finally getting stronger. A good therapist will help you sort all these questions out. Answers to your questions will take time and once you start sorting things out you will pick your label. Which btw labeling is super important to understanding the things you need to work on to heal. You were definitely bullied and emotionally/ psychologically abused so that may a good start in therapy. Best wishes to you on your journey!!
@@jillmaxwell4259 oh gosh, this sounds like a painful journey. I personally think you're right, your feelings were never recognised or respected or empathised with. Sounds like the golden child is now preying on your parents. I'm in exactly the same situation, maybe even worse. Good news is you sound very resilient 😊 You may benefit from therapy, but sadly I wouldn't recommend becoming involved directly with the situation with your mother, helping her pick up the pieces is so strong and gracious of you. You may never receive the gratitude you deserve for it, but let it be it's own reward to yourself ❤️
Wow. I fully relate to this. I spent so much time alone to avoid the degradation, and my parents would mock me the second I emerged for being “too sensitive.” I’ve been the black sheep always, but I wear that as a badge of honor now, because it means I’m not like them. I hope your healing continues! 💕
My son recently asked me why my sister was so mean to me. I tried to explain to him the fact that I was my narcissistic mother's scapegoat in the family. I told him that she recruited my sisters to join in the abuse and they happily complied. I'm not sure if he understood what I was telling him, but it made me feel seen when he mentioned that my sister was abusive to me.
It's similar to the school bullying dynamic, where others join in with the bullying or at least don't stand up for the victim, because people feel the choice is either to go along with it or face becoming another victim themselves. Might be easier for your child to understand.
It makes me cry to hear her talk about me. Like she knows me or what i have been through. It all totally checks out. I am very empathic and always trying to make sure everyone is happy
Yes. I taught 20 years at a high school for "at-risk" teens with very troubled backgrounds. That degree of empathy is valuable when used to help others.
Praise GOD!!! Isn't it amazing . The narcissist lives to destroy people because once upon a time they were hurt. We the scapegoat have been abused over and over and we live to love and serve others. Quite the mystery?!?!?!?!!
So true. Scapegoats are the 'cause' of all family problems. So we're hyper-viligant about trying to solve problems. After 7 years away from this nightmare, I've just become chill. If you have a problem, then solve it. Blaming me isn't gonna do any good anymore. That ship has sailed. I love ya'll, but here's what. I have learned to mourn the day when I actually gave a sh*t. Those days have passed. Now be well, and I hope all goes well for you narcs, but I'm out of the equation.
As a scapegoated child I still feel uncomfortable recieving gifts, love, or help from other people since I’m not used to it. Romantic movies make me really uncomfortable because I never really had a feeling of unconditional love. I have repeated the same patterns of making friends with narcissistic people and dating narcissistic people some of them abused me as well. I’m trying to stop the patterns and look for ways to set boundaries and cope better. I’m moving away from my NMom this winter so hopefully the distance helps our relationship.
Omg the same here I get super uncomfortable when some tries to help , give love or even receiving a gift .. and romantic movies makes me uncomfortable .. I get super scared when I get too close to people …
Sending you big hugs I used to be that way too now I ask for things love, time, attention, gifts, money which was like doing a 180! You matter and deserve things too try asking for some of your needs to be met you can heal this.
This is my 1st time listening to your video! WOW!!!! You hit the Nail on the Head! I never knew I was the Scapegoat of the Family, until this last year when I started to Search why I felt so different and unwanted by my Family. I started searching what Narcissistic Behavior was and was SHOCKED to hear that was my Upbring! I got Blamed for EVERYTHING when things went wrong and even as a Adult, I still get blamed!! 😢. I have suffered ALL my Life with Mental Illness (Major Depression, Anxiety, PTSD, Bipolar and Schizophrenia). I always thought why am I ALWAYS being Abused (Emotional Mental Spiritual Physical). Doing this Soul Searching, is helping me come to Terms of my Past that I was Neglected and Abandoned by the People who were supposed to take care of me. It's only been a few months, but I've made the Decision to "Walk Away". It's not like the Family has made any effort to make Contact with me to bring Healing. So I need to find Healing on my own with doing the Hard Work and just being the Best Person I can be! Just recently, a Neighbor agreed to be my Adoptive Mom and Boy did it ever feel good to be "Wanted". I feel like I'm making some positive steps and discovering "Who I really am"? It helps to have a good Cheerleading Community who see the Potential in me and my AWESOME Husband who always tells me how much I'm Loved!!! I CAN do this!! I WILL BREAK FREE and be a Blessing to Others! 🙏
I stood up to my sister and let her know that I wasn't going to put up with her manipulation. She immediately started gaslighting me and telling me I ruined the holiday for for family (like always). If I stay, I deal with disrespect. If I stick up for myself, im blamed for everything that happens. It's been like this forever. I'm an adult now. I don't have to put up with this.
Exactly! I'm in the middle of it right now ..My sister has distorted everything realizing she is actually the problem is mind blowing..it is straining between everyone between us like my Dad I just want to be not near her bad and everytime I go vist she pops in it's weird..Also reaching out to my in laws to come to her party and not inviting me ..so messed up..They aren't going but that's what she wants me to feel alone.
Wow your story is as if it was put in my own words. That is exactly what I am going through. I am the older sister. I have reached the point that I can't put up with the abuse. She can never hold responsibility for her actions. So she turns the table and makes me the bigger bad guy. Blocks me or gives me the silent treatment. Then my dad is enraged and tells me I have to apologize. Her action of blocking me over and over is justified...
I can tell you what happened to this Scapegoat, myself, after I was kicked out of the house at 18: I joined the US Army, travelled to Germany, got accepted into the ROTC program to become an Army Officer, got a degree in Computer Science all on my own dime - parents helped me not at any point at all. Now I own my own very nice home, have children who are going to college, have a good career in the IT field, and am very happy! My parents thought I would be a loser but I proved them very wrong. I interact with my family on my own terms and none of them dare treat me as a scapegoat these days!
You did amazing! But the thing they will never be proud or be pleased with your amazing accomplishments. They are twisted trust me! But your happy and that is what counts here 🙂
“They often go on to be tremendous parents” The tears just started pouring. I’m so terrified of becoming my father. But I have the insight that he doesn’t. And I have compassion and understanding and I’m deeply loving of everyone. I want to be a parent, and I am starting to have more faith that I can be a good one. ❤
Trust yourself. You will be a good parent. I went through the same proces. It took me years to find enough trust in myself to start the parenting adventure.. Now I am the happy mother of boy-girl twins of 10 years old. And we’re just so happy together. Family life is nothing like I experienced in my childhood and for me it is very healing this experience gets overwritten. Take care, own your stuff, do the work and go for it!
I've always vowed never to have kids for fear I would be like my father. I could never do anything that didn't tempt his rage. I'm 43 now and regret not having a kid. I think you can be a great father
I am 54 and I was the youngest and the scapegoat to a narc mother. This effected me hugely in my adult life. The Negatives: -I am asexual (experience no sexual attraction to anyone) because I was not permitted to be curious about girls and relationships. -I developed a DEEP distrust of women because of my experience with my narc mother and several others. I also like women very much despite that deep distrust. -I and my 2 siblings have never been married and have no children. -I have a strained relationship with my brother (Invisible child). -I have gone no-contact with my sister (Golden child). -I struggled with low confidence, poor self esteem, suicidal ideation, and poor social skills as a young adult. -I seem to be attracted to women who turn out to be BPD, NPD, sex abuse victims, etc. -I am overly empathic and it attracts narcs, borderlines, and psychopaths to me. -Isolated from elderly parents by adult goldenchild who lives with them and lords over them. -I have grown to deeply dislike people who share my ethnicity, especially the women due probably to the fact that they resemble my abusive mother. The Positives: -I am fiercely independent. -I attained high educational, professional, and financial success even though I was labeled the "problem child." -My need to escape from that narc family dynamic made me adventurous and a world traveler. -I am likable and most people warm up to me easily. -I am adept at recognizing personality disordered individuals early. -I have gotten good at enforcing my boundaries. -I developed myself physically to protect myself. -I eventually became a senior federal law enforcement officer. -I retired at age 50 and enjoy an optimal retirement lifestyle.
So happy for you that you were eventually able to taste true freedom. Freedom is everybody's for the taking. Nobody has the right to take that away from us. You are an inspiration.
U know the hardest part is never hearing two things. “Thank you” and “I’m sorry”. I’m 44 and these are mind blowing statements when those outside the circle know it will bring Tears to your eyes
At about that age my sister and I heard those phrases cross our mothers lips for the first time to the person my sister dubbed 'mothers third daughter'. It was our (the golden child and the scapegoat's) punishment for making friends for the first time. Narcs are psycho mean right to the bitter end.
The hardest part for me is looking back into my childhood looking for a good memory with my mother… just one good memory… and there’s not even one. Not one happy moment I had with my mother. Also never hearing thank you or I’m sorry
Yep, i was the scapegoat. Physical, emotional and psychological abuse from my mother. Not something I realized independently. It was 42 years of abuse before I figured it out. Started reading and watching Dr. Ramani's videos to educate myself.
You go girl! 42 is very young still, you've only to ask anyone who is older and know what sugar, I'll bet you you're wise beyond your years! Blessings!
Yep and when my mom had cancer and I was the one over there "helping her out" one day she said to me I just wanted to tell you if I've ever not treated you right through the years or didn't do what I was supposed to do I'm sorry and I said Mom what are you talking about? oh stop! I stood in the kitchen by myself and I was like I wasn't wrong it really was bad for me.. and then I asked my siblings if mom had said anything like that to them and they looked at me like I was crazy but the best part came the night before she died I was the only one at the hospital trying to help her feel good and I made a comment I said" it'll be okay ma" and that is when she blew up she started screaming at me stop telling me it'll be okay and I think I blocked a lot of what she said but she got her last parting shot that night ..I don't know how to describe the feelings I had after that happened idk...there's nothing in books about the way I felt as I left that room... in the middle of the night they said to come and we got there and she passed away in the morning and there was a sense of relief and who in the world has a sense of relief when their mother dies? I often say out loud I wish my sister was still here and my dad...never my mom, sadly...Lol I always wanted Beavers mom June with her pearls, sitting on my bed and talking to me as my mom...yeah I really did🤓 in my 60s and I know it all now and my narcissistic sister...golden still likes to mock or do her thing...I may have to go no contact...closing up the circle
I was a scapegoat, and I’m also autistic (diagnosed very recently at 59), so I used to stand up to my parents as my brutally honest self, and call out the injustices that proliferated. My siblings tell me now how they all used to cringe whenever I did so. At almost 60, I’m still trying to unravel the complicated mess of my childhood.
The scapegoat spent years in awful relationships and seemed to consistently attract narcissistic people into their lives, the scapegoat was so desperate for love she accepted all the mistreatment. The scapegoat goat had regular complete breakdowns but never knew what they were . The scapegoat then became pregnant and was abandoned by the father as like everyone he was just abusing her. The scapegoat had to move back home to her abusers and was once again playing the role . Something changed inside the scapegoat after giving birth to her baby , she realised the huge unconditional love she had inside for her beautiful boy and old memories feelings and trauma began to resurface but this time she knew exactly what it was , abuse. She recognised she had been abused and used and projected on by a narcissistic mother and sexually abusive father . Through her son she saw love and what parenthood was supposed to be, so, she got help . She began therapy , the hell of therapy and the beauty of therapy at times was too much but she stuck with it. She began to realise how beautiful she was inside how robbed she had been as a child and how obliterated she had been throughout most of her life . She cut ties completely with the family of origin and was tarnished by them and called crazy evil psycho and mentally ill, the names and the attack on her even as a mother was tough to bare but she kept going forwards she was unstoppable. Her baby is a young adult now and a well rounded kind honest young man , the scapegoat? Well she went on to realise that actually she was intelligent she did have potential and she had worth so she began to study , the scapegoat is now a Doctor 👩⚕️ of psychology who specialises in children , oh I forgot to mention the scapegoat is me ❤️🙏🏽
heck yes!!!! so happy for you and tears are welling in my eyes of pure happiness reading this. My experience is quite similar to yours this is very inspiring I really need a good therapist the ones I've been to were not that helpful.
“The wound is the place where the light enters you.” Rumi At 63, I am learning to protect the scapegoat little girl inside of me who was shown no mercy. ❤️
If it wasn't for a friend pointing out this behavior and actually using the words "narcissistic personality disorder" 3 years ago to describe behaviors of my family at 48 I still wouldn't understand this. After 45 years of being blindly scapegoated, I can't imagine the many thousands of years and millions of people that must have been scapegoated who could never come to terms with it because they simply didn't have the words or the knowledge. As horrifically painful as it is to see that many years being blind, I have to be grateful that I still have knowledge that so many people have gone to their grave without understanding. One of the hopes that I have or the comforts that I have is that I don't have to figure out my family so much before I move on for healing, and the other consolation is as real or unreal as they may have been, I know that I was genuine, so in that regard I have peace. So I want to thank you for being a comfort and an inspiration to me, CC.
@@loriedmundson782 realized at 62 that I was the "family punching bag." Googled that and all this scapegoating, narcissism stuff came up. Unbelievable that I was duped for so long. They would blow up and then things would go back to "normal" till the next rage-a-thon.
Yes also...59 grieving my younger self. I keep a old Polaroid of myself as a child in my kitchen so I can love on that innocent, little girl every day!... ✌️🌻💖
"I really, really hope for scapegoats to recognise that they have always been more than enough, and that the constant manipulations of childhood were the projections of a psychologically stunted parent, who projected their own inadequacies and insecurities onto their children". THIS ❤. It should go on a T-shirt.
Things like this, I will often write on a note card and put it on the mirror or by the stove, somewhere I will see it frequently and read it over and over.
I am an adult scapegoat from an indian family, where the sons are born as Gods and my awareness since childhood, being the blacksheep empath, has helped me to become the survivor and the warrior; having suffered domestic violence (GBV) from my father, constantly protecting my mother, I don't take any BS from anyone including my own family now. It's taken a while to get there and I am now in my fifties, living by my own terms and only see my family when I want to. Healthy boundaries are one of the most important factors I congratulate myself for, best move I ever made.
Thank you Dr. Ramani I finally found a man who truly loves me and has never given up on me. Scapegoats need to learn to forgive themselves and others.❤ It's about forgiveness.
I suffered a lot due to my narcissist mother. She ruined my relationship with everyone. Hated throughout my life for no reason. I always tried to be a good daughter to her. But since I gave up my efforts past couple of years, she literally disowned me
@@deborahhidalgo-knapp1953 If that works for you, great. But in the real world there are things that are unforgivable and that's just how it is. Furthermore, I don't have anything to forgive myself for since I am not at fault.
Made up with my mother after a year, I started cleaning for her, she had been super sweet and but after 4 month she started verbally abusing me again. We went shopping today and she was being really loud speaking about the government and covid, moaning aggressively wanting everyone to know her views even though I agree with her on alot of things I said "mum please quiet down Abit" it was excessive. She shouted defensively " I will not be quiet, I will say what I want ". She carried on being defensive but I was quiet and just kept walking. Then 10 mins later she walked in the middle of road but the car was beeping at her. I said " mum the car is beeping, because your in the road". Once again she started shouting agressively that she doesn't have to move for anyone, I whispered "mum please shut up your embarrassing me" BIG MISTAKE! Her eyes widened at me, nostrils flared, it looked like she became possessed and said "how dare you tell me to shut up, who do you think you are you little child" btw I'm 37. She proceeded to verbally abuse me for about 5 minute in front of everyone, so humiliating I nearly cried. So I gave her, her bags, told her to make her own way home, don't expect me to take care of you and put up with the abuse. I told her to get my brother or sister to come take care of her, which btw they won't even though they are her favourites. I left her! I will not give her another chance again, I would never even speak to my 11 year old that way. You'd think after the 37 years of verbal and physical abuse, and the fact I'm still the only one helping her would spark some humility within her, but No! I don't believe these people can change! No more chances, no more tears!
What a joyous day of freedom for you! I wish I could have done that 40 years ago. You set a boundary today. A HUGE one! You don't deserve anyone's abuse. Stay strong.
@@Loralu192 Thank you! My step dad turned up out the blue today. He's left my mum after 15 years, she was angry because he went to see his daughter and family. It was the final straw for him too 😳
@@Michelle-uh7qi stay strong! Don't ever try to make up with her again. I tried making up with my mom too.... didn't go well, regret ever trying. Her excuse for not being able to be a loving mother was because i was "fat, ugly and disgusting just like grandma" (her words about her own mother and me) and there is no way she could ever relate to me. My jaw dropped, i have no control over how genetics work. and yes i was a bit on the heavy side during my puberty before my hormone storm stabilised and my weight normalised to a "perfect 10" (like in the song. UK size 10), but it seems she can't get that old visual out of her head. It was surreal experience. By the way, my grandma was a lovely loving woman, i have only good memories of her. And it hurts me to remember all the ways my mother hurt her and manipulated her by using me as a pawn.... my mom alienated me from my grandma when i was 9, took me to another country, never saw my grandma again... after my mom died, i found letters from my grandma addressed to me that i never received... my mother did the same with my bio dad... and after i went no contact with my mom, her husband (my step dad) became the scape goat... unfortunately he wasn't strong enough mentally to leave and start anew. RIP step dad. He was a lovely man, always bending backwards for her to make her happy, but nothing was good enough for her... the goalpost just kept shifting.
@@SpiritDragoness Thank you! Sorry you went through that, and yes children are nothing but pawns to narcissists, even the Golden children except it's a more pleasant experience for them. Stay strong, keep shining 💪 ✨
Yes. I'm an empath too. I felt inadequate along the way, habitually trying to please. I woke up as a senior citizen. The knowledge you give is priceless. Thank you.
I also am an empath and “woke up” as a 61 year old devastated soul, I’m 63 now, working desperately to heal, have gone no contact with my family including my daughter, I still have contact with my sons. My family (mother’s side, father and his side absent childhood) are mostly women, and boy are they good narcissists
I ran away when I was 17 and never went back home. I knew what she was doing and often complained to my narcissistic mother about being the scapegoat for all of the family’s issues. I was the black sheep that flew far away, making something of myself rather than submitting, I will never give up.
I hope you know that you are not alone, your pain is real and I write this crying because my siblings and I went through the same thing, you will get better
@@ninahmuhsen2659 Your reply really touched my heart. Thank you. You are not alone either! We can get through this ❤️I’m so sorry you and your siblings had to go through this too! It’s so hard going through life without parents. As I write this with tears in my eyes, I deeply hope that you and your siblings have found solace in each other and found peace surrounding your childhoods. I continue to work on finding peace every day and am currently finding a new psychologist since I moved. I’m sending all love and light your way 💫
THIS is me. Almost word for word. I am now 68 yrs old and my parents are long gone but it took me SO LONG to understand that it was NOT MY FAULT. The feeling of relief is staggering.
Parents who do not have a sense of emotional regulation cause this type of damage to their children. Just saying the term narcissist is a mixed bag of negativity for sure, but I think this is a better explanation to what happens when you grow up in this type of household.
I've become so reclusive because of this. I'm working on the healing and accepting/trusting myself, but I honestly have lost so much trust in people it kinda scares me. This vid hit the nails on the head in my life Dr Ramani, thank you
I get the reclusive bit, and I feel inadequate as I don't have a social circle. I would almost rather pay a stranger to go to lunch with me than risk getting manipulated again. It takes time I guess.
I’ve become reclusive as well and have almost no one in my life anymore except for my narcissist parents. My mother just judges me for never leaving the house. I’ve been so broken for long, but I’m finally finding my strength thanks, in large part, to people like Dr. Ramani❤️
I have each day less and less desire to interact with people. I used to be loving, outgoing and empathic. The narcs broke me. They won. I just want to be left alone.
@@priscilalondon Take the time you need to nurture yourself but don’t let them win by stealing your joy in life! One day, we’ll be ready to reach out and find people to have healthy relationships with if we desire ❤️🙏✨
I've been reading through these comments for a while and wish we could all get together and talk. My advice to scapegoats is to leave home at 18 and have limited contact. Make your own life. Value yourself. Sending hugs to everyone out there who needs one. ❤️
Reading the comments is enough to give a person PTSD! Knowing that there are SO many of us going through exactly the same thing is something I still find incredible. I always thought it was just me, I actually used to think I was insane.
We got used to being alone I think but once we break out we connect with eachother..... my world is filling up with wonderful loving people now. We recognise each other very quickly once the cycle is broken. Learning about narcissism has taken a long time and Dr Ramani has helped me all the way through. Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
The moment you mentioned how scapegoated children go on to be tremendous parents my eyes welled up with tears. I vowed at 13 not to have children because I couldn't imagine what I was experiencing, being the experience of any other child. This is why I went into childcare as a profession. It has not always made this role easy. I decided later that I wanted to see if I could raise a child and not damage them. Well there was some dmg from early one due to my overwhelming fear but do to my ever present wish to avoid what happened to me and armed with my education and years of experience I now have an amazing young man that receives compliments on his ability to relate in social settings . I am the proudest mama.
I think as an adult, I feel like it took almost a psychological break to try to fix what's been broken. Mainly, it's a conscious choice every day to not fall into that old pattern demonstrated to you. I do have one child, and we just don't talk about grandma much, and he knows enough about why he doesn't know her to not take it personally. I wish it could be different, but I'd need her to be someone else first for that to ever be.
When people ask me what I want, I always say, "That's like asking a blind person which crayon they want to use." I was not allowed to have wants. That was selfish. If I was accused of anything, my silence was admission of guilt, but defending myself was also proof of guilt. I was told that if my friends and their families had to spend as much time with me as my family did, they'd hate me too. I was married to a narc for 20 years. Now, I live with a cat. Safer that way. I would dearly love to stop hearing the old tapes in my head, especially since some of them are dead and gone.
hate to say it, but i wont have peace until some of them are in the ground...dont get me wrong, i genuinely love them from a distance--but i suspect some of them are destroying my health and life for real! whats the agenda for these devils?
Off the top of my head: Do what you're told. Children are meant to be seen, not heard. Do this, do that, get me this get me that. I never should have had all you kids. No one helps me. No one cares what you think. You have to earn your keep. I have my own problems. I'm not bad compared to some parents. (and for good measure, being made fun of, mocked, & threatened.)
I'm kinda the same. I have a nice roommate. He's been good to me. He saved my life. But I'd rather stay single and live alone with my cats and dog. And maybe get another dog. Humans are so destructive, I just can't deal with them anymore. I get more love from my animals than I ever did from humans. Except a few.
I relate to so much of this (and the truth teller part), but my situation is a little different/highly specific, and it hurts to be so alone with all the pain and frustration and fear and with nobody actually wanting to listen and understand. But this channel actually makes me feel seen lmao
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The moment the scapegoat of the narcissistic family starts setting healthy boundaries, that is the moment when the scapegoat becomes the blacksheep of the family.... . Harsh reality...
Bah, bah💯
But so accurate sad reality 😞
So true!
Yea I was pointing out shit wasn't right or normal before i hit double digits.
I never walked on eggshells though. Maybe because i rebeled against being scapegoated beside my golden child brother so young, the consequences for defending myself became the norm and part of the cycle.
I had no idea about all this terminology or that it went deeper than just having a shit mum.
But I became the black sheep very early. And it rippled outwards from immediate family through to extended family and into my adult relationships, I definately held onto hope too long, and I think the hope is what kept me speaking up, trying to get them to finally have an "ah ha" moment.
@@LoziPop I'm sorry you had to go through that. I understand it must've been hell. Just like you said, I too rebelled from an early age and I was labeled as "difficult". My brother was the golden child here too. Except we were both physically abused a lot, and he became exactly like them, maybe even worse and I became everything they were not.
I just want you to know that you went through hell and you are still fighting, you are an empathetic person with a beautiful heart.
And this in my opinion makes you a warrior. A kind hearted warrior. I hope you have a wonderful life ahead and I wish you all the best. I hope you find the right people for yourself because God knows you deserve it. I don't know you, but I want you to know that I'm rooting for you :)
The scapegoat child eventually becomes aware that they have been victimised in their family. They may then notice how this attracted other predatory personalities to them. They may become aware that the root of all of this is because they were taught to have no boundaries in childhood. At this point the scapegoat child may now realise that they need to develop strong boundaries. They need to not be afraid to say "no". They may realise that being alone is better than being disrespected.
What's considered disrespected?
Thank you. Something brought me here and i don't know what it was. Coincidence and fate maybe. I am 39 years old and highly empathic. I have been raised by two highly Narcissistic parents and it haunts me every day. I have my cosmetology license and i am full of fears. So much self-loathing that slows me down from becoming something. That little voice in my head always reminding me of how small i am. Should i seek help? As well as continue to watch these videos? I want to leave this apartment. This home is no longer where the heart is. My cat was put down in July of 2020 and my life ended. I lost my trustworthy love.
My story 😢 cant wait 2 be a mommy
Spot on Narc Survivor!
Amen well said
Told my mom I grew up feeling emotionally invalidated. "That's not true" was her response lol I give up
I feel this and I don’t know whether to laugh or cry
That's exactly what my mom used to say.
I've gotten "Oh Stop! That's not true and i'm tired of hearing about it!" when trying to tell them about abusive/unfair family dynamic. Also, as a child "it's all in your head," and "you're imagining things..." The gaslighting and invalidation is endless with these people.
That made me laugh and I get it.
Seems like it's always the most direct, focused, honest, respectfully-spoken comments we make that baffle narcs the most.
I learned young that more than two sentence statements were only going to be picked apart or used as ammunition.
When you're four, and crying because something really bad just happened, the last thing that's on your mind is "I hope someone can make this worse."
Years later, when you're just trying to break even to keep hope and sanity alive, the last thing you're thinking is how inappropriate it was to cry when you were four.
It's like they only process what they can use as a blunt instrument.
Stay Strong, Ramani peeps 💪
The worst part of being the scapegoat is other family members minimizing or justifying the pain.
Happened to me too. I went NC before narcissism discussion became a thing. I always said she waged a smear campaign against me and that was the 90’s/2000’s. Now I see the some of my descriptions of the abuse I endured from her are the common terminology used today to describe it! That helped validate my feelings about the whole thing and further underscored my belief that I was being “abused”
My wife was the scapegoat in her family. She's an amazing mom, wife, best friend. She's loving, fiercely loyal to our son and I. She runs a very successful small business and her work ethic is out of this world. Having been around her toxic family and seeing first hand just how sick and twisted the family dynamic is, you couldn't ask for a better human being. I can't even begin to tell you guys how proud I am of her.
That was just wonderful to read!
That’s the type of mom I aspire to be one day
I never had kids. I believe I was just to stressed to carry a child. 62 now, but I've been mom, sister, friend to many. My family is so scary to me. I don't know if they realize how toxic they are, because it's all justified.
Well this was a wonderful start ✨🧡
How sweet
As a child I remember telling myself to be kind because I didn't want to make others feel the way my mom made me feel.
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I decided not to get married bcuz I assumed . marriage will be like my parents' relationship and not have kids bcuz I believed I was defective and so didn't want to make kids who woikd be miserable and defective.
That makes me sigh and swallow. And having thought, done and try to remain as kind as you are. To me now 35, at times when your sorrow is mentioned/attended.
Do people doubt your sorrow, or intens emotional display when in unforeseen triggering public scenarios? Doesn't necesarily have to be intens, but it's when roads cross
I find it very hard to meet someone halfway, when they don't believe you can cry because they thought of you their hero for never having seen you cry?
It's hard, being judged, those few times you actually show yourself. It's as if 2 world crumble. And for some reason those 2 have to be conpared, and 1 has to be the lesser.
Always grinds my frickin gears😅✌️
So your super power must be, you can & like to Identify with others and will rush to their aid to intercept what may cause them pain, even if you have to deal with it yourself! .........Admirable
In my experience, it only opens one up to more abuse from everyone else in your life.
One good thing about being a scapegoat is: YOU LOOSE NOTHING OF VALUE WHEN LOOSING YOUR FAMILY. I don’t miss them not one day.
Ohh yes. . With you girl!
@@toni-leeblair5869 Ditto
True... They have nothing to offer
Not one day!
Seeing other friends’ families, I grieved not having a family (abstract) as a kid, but decided to make my own. I don’t miss the family I’m estranged from. No sorrow, just peace.
"If people who were once scapegoats can trust their guts as adults, they can be the best red flag detectors "....so relatable
This is me now. although it took me until I was about 40 to realize it since I was manipulated and scapegoated most of my life
True, but it took me 60 years to be able to smell the rat close by...😢
@@nt3352me too!!!
this is where im at. i am not trying to be uppity or brag but i have become the ULTIMATE reader, i can read people, social situations, social circles, WHATEVER. it makes me feel really good and the feeling of vindication when you (always) turn out to be right feels REALLY good.
both my current partner and my ex have said to me, "you are ALWAYS right about things and its really weird" lol.
ii hate how i have been treated and that i didnt get a normal human experience, but i dont know if i would trade it for anythign because of these skills i now have. it makes life seem easy.
@@SgtNateHigers
Wow... This is my experience.
Also scapegoat for everyone my whole life. After the recent passing of my Nanna, after taking care of everyone and being the "glue", often flying Cross country to care for my elders when 70% of my family live in the same city, Deciding to skip the viewing because I didn't want to have to prop everyone else up, JUST THIS ONE...
Now I'm the black sheep.
They don’t like it when you move away, and stop the abuse.
That's for sure! I eventually had to go no contact and it was the healthiest decision I ever made
Moving away was the BEST thing I ever did I accomplished so much and I was so confused as to why I was finally so happy and when I realized it was because I cut the narc out I was blown away. That was the first time I actually realized what was going on.. I was in my late 20s
@@kriistiina111590 I wish I would have figured that out when I was young. I could have saved myself a lot of heartache and pain. I am really encouraged to hear so many people speaking positively about making that break from so much never ending confusion.
@@shnarklevonbarkle110 I agree hearing other people talk about their experiences helps so much. Wishing everyone here the best
@@kriistiina111590 Exactly: I was 31 when I escaped -- and I stayed with an alcoholic partner for years rather than return to the malign orbit of my covert-narcissist mother. (Before you ask, I'm a grateful member of Al-Anon, which helped me hold myself together and recognize -- and resist -- gaslighting when my qualifier tried to pull that nonsense on me.) I'm currently living with my partner/best friend, a fellow straight-edge who is as dedicated to my well-being and healing as to his own, and have finally found an excellent therapist who is helping me work through the considerable residual damage from my childhood scapegoat role; by some miracle, I've always known that, despite all her hateful lies, I was more than enough, which enabled me to make the break I needed (however late), and my current life and human connections reflect that sense.
Just leave them all alone, permanently, they never change. There are no death bed confessions, they die in their roles.
They blame in their last breath and then in the will
Y'all are sooo right
Well... Not in my family. My siblings are growing and my parents grew. Some are in therapy, some read, some have significant others who help them see with humor. We can grow so can they. But only each of us can figure our if it's worth the potential pain of finding out. Plus nobody completely turns around all their baggage instantly. But then even allowing the possibility that they aren't always perfect is enough in my family
@@youtubingbabs I’m glad that was your situation. If your parents sought help they probably weren’t true Narcissist, maybe Narcissistic tendencies like we all have, with clearly poor patience and communication skills. You all getting well, you all finding comfort in eachother is beautiful and rare indeed.
Damn ...you right.
My Narc father used to tell me all the time: "when you'll have kids, they will fight you back the exact way you are fighting me"
I used to tell myself quietly "In order for my kids to fight me, I'll first have to treat them the bad way you're treating me".
Ufffff deep
I can so relate to your comment
@@kittykathurricanetexas1634 Hugs.
Damn! I remember narc father saying that to me.
My mom said the same to me. She would point out that when I became a teenager I would no longer love her and be a horrible daughter. By the time I was a teenager I build up so much resentment because I did notthing but try to please her. I wish I was as brave as you at that age. Now I know better
I prefer to call myself the escape goat, because I was able to escape and go no contact!
❤❤❤
Yes, yes & yes.☺
LUV IT 💪🏽💪🏽
#ESCAPE-Goat
This is smart, I think I will do the same because I don’t want to reinforce the idea that I am the victim, the “I was one in the past” but not any longer for sure I will say I am the survivor aka the escape goat as well haha
How did you get to no contact with your family? I would like to know how I can do that myself! Thank you
Pros:
-We are empathetic and anticipate people's moods and needs well
-We are resilient AF
-When we *truly* are in the wrong, we are able to admit it and aren't too prideful
-We value peace
-As adults we can evolve to recognize gaslighting and avoid abusers after having unhealthy relationships.
Oh my gosh.. I said above, I had to go No Contact to find PEACE and Stability. Your so right.
Well said . Thank you 😊
Yes, I learned it with 60! And yeah, I'm happy now, after I finally have learned to love and care for myself. It's never ever too late! 💜🙏💛
@@boomerangsruckflug8513 me too!
Absolutely. Cons: we can never be too sure of ourselves even if we know we’re right
I was the scapegoat child in my family system and I actually do not speak to a single person in my family currently at 48 years of age. They gaslighted me into therapy and the therapist told me, "there's absolutely nothing wrong with you, get away from those people."
I moved away just so I would not be around them all the time!
Same here🤔
Wow. Has it been better, assuming you took the advice?
You were lucky to get great advice from therapist! At 50 my eyes opened up keeping distance! It's my turn now for health!
@@oppressednolonger1497 absolutely! It was like a huge weight lifted from my shoulders and I have not been more happy in my life.
I remembered at the age of 20 I went to my boyfriend’s parents home. I felt that his mom had some reservations about me but he insisted that I spend time w/ his family. I was nervous. His mom asked me help in the kitchen for either dinner or lunch. I remembered turning to put a gallon of milk on the counter but missed and made a spill on the floor. I started shaking and tearing up. I thought that she would scold like my mom. His mom just looked straight at me and said sweetly it was just milk. Nothing to be worried about. At that moment, I realized that I was traumatized by my mother and needed help. His mother became the mom I dreamed about that day. She just knew what I needed without asking. She saved my life.
I am so happy for you. That’s the kind of mother we all deserved.
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Awe that is soooooo great to hear!!! I love her for being there you! I am momma to many gay children, where their parents couldn’t or wouldn’t understand, I always tell them to keep their hearts open for all the Spiritual moms who are there for you!
Love is grand and rare- glad it reached you and you were ready 🙏🏼
Same my mom in law is so kind loving and understanding for her kids and extends some kindness to me too. Although she is more protective of her son than me but even at her worst she isnt even 1% of my mom lol. IDK whether to cry or laugh at this
They cannot stand to see you happy or proud of anything, they have to crush you when they feel your getting too big for your boots.
They don’t know how to support anything, so they try to crush you to a point of being like an underground bunker, unseen and without need for supports
yes. very true 💔
And eventually getting yourself down becomes a defense mechanism. Feeling despair after feeling happiness becomes the norm, part of defense. "If I'm not happy, I won't get attacked". It's not easy to recognize this and then bit by bit separate yourself from it. Since that defense mechanism worked so well for so long since you were so little...
@@mozhodzhodzho So so true. I think of it also akin to a constant vigilance that 'something could go wrong' when things are picking up and going well to almost pre-empt myself the pain and disappointment. Thankfully I'm starting to shed that pattern and sending healing that you are too ❤.
@chrisd3637 That too, so true!
Thank you ❤️ sending healing to you too
The scapegoat becomes the cycle breaker - and becomes isolated and lonely
Or….breaks the cycle and clears the slate making room for new beautiful stories.
I break the cycle but I'm not lonely in any way
It does not have to be lonely. You make room for healthier more whole people to enter your life.
@Ginger Klajbor Me too.
I think it's a very lonely time after you go no contact and FINALLY have broken that cycle. So glad I did it but there's a grieving process of what COULD/SHOULD have been but never was or will be. I am finally taking some steps forward and embracing my gifts as an empath ☺❤
“Scapegoats go on to become tremendous parents”! I needed to hear that! Thank you Doc!
Or don't procreate, period!
That makes me happy! I don't have children but I worry I'll be repeating some of the horrible things my family did...
@@TheEmeraldLady that was my fear for such a long time especially when I was pregnant with my first baby. I have three now and I’m so intentional with my parenting. These videos really help.
Only if they wake up in time and don't allow their children to be around the narc "grandma" (or "grandpa"). Narc Grandma will poison your children's minds against you if you don't keep them away from the narc(s). They will suck the soul out of your child and turn them into a failure to make YOU look bad. I know this from experience. I got to endure a covert narc Mommy Dearest all my life only to get sandwiched inbetween a narc daughter now. Thanks to Mommy Dearest and her sneaky covert scheming with my Golden Child brother, who would take my daughter ...presumably to spend the night with his daughter at HIS house, and instead, dump them both off at Mommy Dearest's so she could perform her witchcraft on their minds.
@@reesedaniel5835 totally agree! I have very limited contact with my narc mum and my narc in laws and my kids never spend any time with them alone!! I refuse to let my children be subjected to that! Sorry to hear about your experience 🤗🤗
Being the scapegoat formed me into a target in my adulthood. I went from being bullied at home, to bullied at school, and then bullied in the workplace. While I know now what I went through wasn't my fault, the anger and rage from the injustice of it all still reigns supreme.
I am so sorry to hear all that you have gone through. It’s not your fault and you deserve to heal and to have happiness. I would recommend to My clients to consider writing a letter to everyone who has hurt you, and if you don’t feel comfortable presenting it to them, that’s okay, as it will serve as an outlet. You can reflect on the letters, grieve over them until you no longer feel triggered by those thoughts, memories, and emotions, and then rip it up into tiny pieces, and maybe bury it for closure. It can also serve as a catharsis to help you cry it all out, for as much as you need to, and then you can maybe consider doing some Deep Breathing and Positive Self-Talk to remind your Inner Child that you are not the blame, and you did nothing wrong. Please consider that crying is like detoxing all of the negative emotions from your body, just as we have to clean out toxic food waste, via elimination, as long as we don’t cry ourselves into a deep hole of despair, where it’s hard to find a way out. Therefore, I would consider researching Deep Breathing and Positive Self-talk or other Coping Skills (Comedy shows may help also), to have a plan in place to help you with the negative thought-stopping, before even writing and processing the letter(s). Be well and be blessed.
8 Ways to Start Healing Your Inner Child
www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/inner-child-healing#acknowledge
Some people have a way of recreating childhood dynamics always in their lives, regardless of the setting or characters, if they don't unpack, sort, and heal their childhood trauma. It's not necessarily a conscious choice to be a victim, it's just a phenomenon that happens when people don't sort through it all.
@@EMILY4DAYS Sounds like victim blaming to me.
Holy crap, the same has happened to me. It's like being cursed for life.
Exactly what happened to me. Still people take me granted a lot coz I laugh a lot and try to humor people by talking a lot and a little stammer
I have been the scapegoat for decades and then my siblings started to teach their children to scapegoat me too. I walked away from that toxic family unit and went no contact...and have since had the ability to embrace my authentic self because I walked away. I am surrounding myself with beautiful friends who are the family I never had. I live a peaceful and loving life now-walking away was the best thing I could have ever done.
My empathy has always been the draw for all narcissists. The thing that narcissists lack that most scapegoats have in spades-that is why they want to crush us. Being a truthteller just pushes them over the edge.
I'd much rather be a scapegoat....than a golden child, flying monkey or the invisible one!.. At 58, I'm OUT, I'm FREE. They're all stuck there in their own filth!
I looked at all of this when I was around 35 and started to see that as the scapegoat I was really the lucky one of the bunch. I am 65 and just tossed the rest of the family after my 96 year old mother finally died. Yes Finally no more barbed stabs from any of them!!
I have a codep husband who has high covert tendencies and he does not care to learn a bit about all of this so he is stuck as well.
It is really sad to have witnessed it over the years. My sibs are in their 70's and they still are total shitheads. I just tossed the last tie and I am done.
Free at Last of it all.
When I cut contact with the whole family I sent a message to the one sister who I thought was neutral (until she too turned), saying politely they are a bunch of leeches and I'm the only one who has made it on my own while they are stuck and when it all becomes public they will get to feel the disapproval of the whole community.
@@Feribrat99 Congrats Karen....it's a truly wonderful thing!.. Please enjoy your strength and resilience!.💜
My oldest sister was the scapegoat & you described her as an adult to the T. She's fiercely protective of her children, she does alot of volunteer work & has great empathy for everyone in her life. She has been NC with our mother for several years & she's healthier for it. My abuse started in my teenage years, in my 50's now & just realized thru research that our mother has NPD. I'm now NC & the only one still in contact is our youngest brother & also the GC. There is hope thru research & lots of therapy.
AMEN
One really good thing about being the family scapegoat is that it frees you up to be true to yourself. Once you realize that nothing you do will make them like or love you.
Love this❤...….. I discovered this two years ago and I'm now on my healing journey.
We grow up to be the GOAT.
I have had to repeat “I will never be good enough for her; she will never be satisfied!” to myself so. Many. Times! It is so hard to stop seeking parental approval! I finally stopped, and she keeps trying to “be nice”; but I know if I give her too much information again, she’ll use it against me. It’s over. I’m done playing the game. 😔❤️🩹
When they have persuaded themselves that they really do love you; when they remind you often of how they’ve sacrificed, compromised and fought on your behalf; when - in the heat of an argument - it always shows that really it’s all about them and that they project onto you the negative characteristics they have always manifested themselves; when they berate and belittle you for not being or achieving enough while expecting and demanding that you regularly subordinate your own needs to theirs, however trivial; when they attempt to play you off against your siblings; when they accept no responsibility for any of their failures and selfish choices as a parent but make sure to take all the credit for their children’s successes; when they refuse to acknowledge that their children are adult individuals, insisting instead on referring to you as ‘their children’ though you’re all over 40; when they never apologise without qualification or excuses; when their company feels exhausting, draining, demeaning and yet somehow the urge for intimacy and approval still feels strong; when you know deep down that you’ll never quite measure up and that they seem to compete with you in everything - they’re always better read, higher achieving, better liked, more knowledgeable and informed, smarter, were more attractive than you at their age - and when their love is anything but unconditional; when their standard communication currency is gaslighting, projection, manipulation and bullying…
Yes, finally to feel free of that kind of burden will feel like a new lease on life. I have chosen to remain ‘non-contact’ with my own mother, sad to say. She showed her true colours again over Christmas and I decided to refuse to play the game anymore. It hurts. She’s an old woman and needs support, but she does a great job of driving people away: though she’s been blessed with some wonderfully caring and attentive people doing their best to help her, they’ve all been abused, screamed at, defamed and humiliated on a regular basis, as have we, her children.
No, it’s not dementia or late-stage crankiness on a normal scale. With her mood swings and flights into furious, vengeful rage, she can go from 0-100 in an instant. Her medical condition (bipolar - used to be diagnosed as ‘manic depression with paranoid delusional schizophrenia’) is almost able to be disregarded: while she’s been on antipsychotic medication her entire adult life, happily the treatment has kept her on a more or less even keel for over a decade. One can suffer from depression (everyday or medically diagnosed and prescribed for) and not act like a narcissistic tyrant; by the same token, managing depression in no way disqualifies one from the entitlement to righteous anger and indignation nor to feeling a bit blue now and then like any other human being.
The incredibly destructive egocentrism of a narcissistic parent can be devastating. Paired with the guilt felt by a sibling who witnessed and survived the death of his younger brother in an RTA, factored in with a boarding school education that exacerbated a problem with bedwetting, with being bullied at school then criticised and neglected at home and a father too overburdened with parenting responsibilities as well as the demands of his career to be in a position to offer any support other than the financial sort, our mother’s warped understanding of parenting and failure to offer the consistency, stability and love that define the role of parent has eventuated in a middle-aged son who’s been struggling since early childhood just to keep his head above water emotionally and psychologically. Ironic, how she proudly claims to have ‘brought up’ five children, when what she’s always been best at is bringing us down.
Truth.
As a scapegoat I don’t trust people but I also want to be accepted.
Same!
Same :/
I feel this
I felt that ❤
Same
I’ve gone no contact with my Dad since June 2023 and it’s been the best thing I’ve done for myself. I was the one getting picked on by him growing up and he was an enabler of abuse by my elder brother, physically assaulting me. All because I chose a different life and the pursuit of entrepreneurship in a family of academics. Growing up was hell because I supported my mum after their divorce when I was 8. A lot to unpack but I’m grateful I made that decision. My goal is to be a better parent than he ever was
My narcissistic parents, brother & sister scapegoated me until the age of 58, when after much therapy & meds, I went no contact with them. Best decision ever made! They're small people with too many issues. I'm not going to let them ruin my life any more!
God is my Rock.
Thank you for sharing! I too am 58y.o I have done so much spiritual, emotional, & psychological work - for decades. Recently, I said NO MORE to all of them. No contact is so incredibly freeing. I've done the work. I get to continue living without being thrown on a landmine everytime something comes up with my elderly Mom. I really didn't think this could happen for me. Ever. And whattya know the fruits of a lifetime of label are blossoming. I. Am. Free.
My husband went no contact 2.5 years ago with his mother, and his brothers cut contact with him when they couldn't guilt trip him and convince him it was all a misunderstanding but his fault. He got the strenght to do this after her lies and manipulation had consequences for our babies. About 2 months ago, he was doubting himself because our kids asked about his family but after like a month he figured it out and we are still free. Don't know how they will react when they find out we're having another baby....
@@cindy3218 YAY❣
My sister couldn't manipulate me and got so angry she went no contact! Best thing ever I am 50! Not grovelling not ever! Not keeping the peace for the sake of family!
I was 58 too before I had enough of the scapegoating from the two siblings and both parents as well as basically everyone I encountered. My siblings husbands were narcissistic and scapegoated me too. The only thing a scapegoat regrets is not leaving earlier in life than they did.
I was so confused because my family hated me. I was a horrible person in their eyes but everyone outside of our family loved me. Told me how nice, smart, and joyous it was to be my friend. Then I go home and I’m called crazy, depressed, shit starter. In constant trouble for things I did not do or say, argumentative. I would have panic and anxiety attacks. As soon as I went to school, or somewhere they were not everyone loves me.
Oh yes! And they notice and say things like: "When you're with other people all of the sudden you can be nice! If they knew how you act at home, they would be very surprised. Look at you playing this friendly role with that fake friendly voice. One day they will see your true colours!" Meanwhile THEY are the ones acting totally different around other people. Messed up.
Holy... YES!!! THIS "I dont know how you have any friends. If only they knew the real you" 🤢🤮
The “wait til your husband finds you out” from my mother. They gaslight you into believing you’re mentally ill and will never be good enough anywhere to anyone. So you start to doubt the love you receive from others because you are confused about whose report to believe. As crazy as it sounds to people around me, whenever I hear someone say “you’re a good person” I am taken back.
Same
I've been there. Only child with 2 narco parents. Loved at summer camps and college. Hated at home.
Yes, I was the scapegoat and bastard in my family. I had things done to me that was truly horrendous. I have been in therapy since I was 22 yrs. I am now 73 yrs old. I got blamed for everything, even my brothers and sister. I never had a drug or alcohol use. I cannot be with a man. I am a well educated woman and a good professional career. My parents turned my siblings against me telling them I was a liar and crazy. I left at 17, and never looked back.
I'm sorry that happened to you Rosana. It's frustrating how people can be so horrible. I can't be in a relationship either. I was the scapegoat and thought my sister the golden child and I were close, only to discover that she made up lies about me to tear me down to our parents and others and realizing that she and my mother are covert narcs. It was such betrayal. 😢 Now I can't trust anyone.
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Thank you for sharing, this gives me hope as a 22 y/o woman.
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Terrible I’m sorry to hear this. That Sounds like my father
I am the scapegoat.... My wife pulled me out of this 'family' she saved me from a personal hell. She told me recently "I met you, saw that despite your raising you chose to be an amazing man regardless. I decided you were mine...no matter what it took."
They tore me down for years, I tried. I was four when my bio mom died, the narcissist came to us a year later. I am 44 and now I am beginning to see what my wife sees. My clients, my friends.... They all tell me what a joy I can be to work with or be around. My work is exceptional because I love what I do.... I found my joy again.
Lucky for you some of us never get that
When the scapegoat grows up---watch out!! The entire family will fall apart. Our role as scapegoat, is keeping the peace and holding the dysfunctional family together, however once we have said enough, the whole house of cards falls down...in my experience it did when I walked away---BEST DECISION EVER!!!
hey nice to hear and do you control and repeat your parents tendencies on other people ?
It is horrifying (yet at the same time somewhat comforting) to know others have had this same experience. 100% the best decision ever was to walk away and leave them to their evil ways. We can now become the people we were always m meant to be
I tried to make things work with my family!!! I am a slow learner!
Wow so true!!!
Scepitalbynsature . . . Halleluya , and chicken A
Yesterday on New Year’s Eve, my mom gathered us all and said “let’s forgive each other for the past mistakes and move on this new year”. I walked away right then and there because I knew her cycle will continue in the same way, but she cheaply wanted forgiveness without even giving an apology.
Well done
That was a real boss move!!! 💝🫶🏆You will feel so much better now.
I love it when narcissists say things like "let's forgive each other", as if both parties have something to apologize for. They'll never own up to their abusive ways.
@@escalatorgoddess2078yup, till this day I don’t think my parents have admitted to doing anything wrong when raising me. My years of therapy says otherwise 😵💫
They deny that they have done anything wrong. Why would she apologize?
Yep she would always say "When you grow up and have kids of your own you'll understand."
I understand everything she did was wrong and will never do those things to my daughter ever. Not a single day.
My mother used to say that, too. Now I see it was a weird thing to say to a kid.
I hope the way I write this makes sense, Aloy...
But, your refusal to deny the truth made her words true, and truer than she ever could. Simply stated, your mom failed you, but you passed her rigged exam.
I have to admire that.
Stay Strong 💪
My mother said those things too. I have never treated my son the way she did me.
I credit my mother with teaching me everything I needed to know NOT to do as a parent. There were times muddling through parenting when I literally took a breath and thought, "What would mum do?" then, "What is the opposite of that?" Funnily enough it worked every time! I will NEVER understand how or why she was such an abusive B. I couldn't treat anyone the way she treated me...ironically, not even her!
Both my parents said this too.
“I can’t wait until you have kids and then they treat you mean”
“When you have kids and they put you through hell you’ll see”
“You’ll understand once you have kids”
Joke was on them because I don’t even want kids LMFAO
I was the family scapegoat for 23 years. I'm finally getting out in a few months. I'm so happy I can almost taste the freedom. One step at a time, one day at a time. I'm getting out of this hell-hole.
So exciting, isn't it? Be careful, there is some toxic people out there too
The worse thing is to get out of the family and living in the outside world and STILL encountering the same abusive people. That is a true prison.
Yeah this is why i stay away from ppl
I'm trying to reframe it more positively by viewing it as a monastery, or a tropical getaway. I work in my garden, and I have a boat I can take out and disappear into a deserted key. Isolation can be horrific, but I started meditating, and found that really helped me to let go of all that negativity.
I believe showing narcisistic tendencies is a default behavior of many people. It is common to see little children lying and manipulating their parents to do what they want, not go to school, not do their homework etc etc. If these children are not corrected by their parents they will continue to use this behavior with whoever allows them to.
They will be everywhere, you are the one who has to establish boundaries.
@@Erehtolleh1 Most people never grow up emotionally. Thus they are the narcissists we encounter so often.
It doesn’t end in childhood, it 100% continues into adulthood
I was a scapegoat and now I teach children with learning difficulties. Maybe my empathy is why I am so good at it?
Bless u
Aren't you kind! A neighbour's son, same age as mine does this also, he was always a brain and sweet, my son also and is a nurse! Their parents may have been able to instill the incentive to be kind, it just feels better!
I became vegan and started speaking up for the animals
The world needs more people like you ❣️
Wow 👍🏼✌🏼🙏🏻🕉️
I was the scapegoat child and truth teller. I started therapy while trying to escape a sociopath. I have gone no contact with my family of origin several years which has been the most liberating for me. I’m no contact with my ex as well. This enabled me to work on myself and keep my circle narcissist free. I wish peace for all the scapegoated children out there. Thank you Dr Ramani.
I was the truth teller too. May God bless you ❤🙏
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Must been hard, sorry for that:( but congrats, you’re really strong 💗
@Selina Ikoni I don’t believe that we owe anyone an explanation. They have not walked in our shoes. We are the only ones who know what’s best for us.
@@vemo916 👏🏻so true, one must keep reminding oneself "we don't owe anyone an explanation". And that is a foundation block of our boundary. Thank you for putting it so succinctly.
I'm 54 and am just beginning to unravel a lifetime of abuse. Indeed I was the scapegoat. Today I am estranged. Thank goodness I'm now beginning to be able to start putting what happened to me into words.I also have your book here. Thanks Dr. Ramani.
I am 51, just learning the same! Would you like to connect?
"Those who were scapegoated are brimming with light." 😭😭😭 Thank you!
Me. Nicko m, NZ
Omg SAME!!- THANK U SO MUCH FOR THIS...
Yep!!💯💖
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My abusive mother used to say "you glow". Evil evil evil woman she is
My trauma psychiatrist wanted to meet my Mom. He brought her into 3 sessions and saw first hand how she had no empathy or compassion and was a bully. My Dr told me to go no contact with her. He was the first person to ever validate me and what I went through in my life. He schooled my narc mother and it was life changing. It’s been 8 years this month of no contact with my mother. She has done a smear campaign on me to my family and friends and has gotten worse as she ages. Being a scapegoat even in my 50’s is difficult, lonely and sad. You never feel worthy of love or acceptance.
Thank you for all your videos Dr R
Indeed! My narc mom does the smear campaign and has turned my children against me! And she’s definitely worse with age! I will be so glad when she’s gone. It’s so exhausting!
@@Kim-Berly200my mother died last week.. it’s freeing, a huge relief for me. Sounds mean and callous but I’m so much better off.
That shrink was worth every cent.
You had luck with your therapist. Believe me.
The most think an older people abuse.
Mine did the same thing all the way till her dying breath. Even after I gave her money and food after my step dad passed. She called me and asked for help. Then after I left and went back home (9 hrs drive) she told everyone I stole from her after step dad died.
“The wound is where the light enters you”. I love that!
It’s a derivation of a famous lovely quote
I had to rewind to make sure I got it. My entire body shivered and tingled at hearing it.
@Beanz Burrito yes that’s right…the famous lovely quote by Leonard Cohen
I can see how it makes sense. I always get very upset when I see someone else being put down, and feel obliged to step in and defend them. Unfortunately, I also know all too well that wounds are where infection enters and festers as well. Being gaslighted over an extended period of time allowed a lot of darkness to enter into my psyche. It's quite difficult to navigate out of darkness when you can't see where you're going.
@@shnarklevonbarkle110 I'm there in my own way too
I am blown away how you have just explained all 72 years of my life. My mother was the narcissist and I, as the first born daughter, was the scapegoat. My sister two years younger was the golden child. My life would have been very different if I knew all this earlier.
I have always been sensitive and an empath. I’m really a good person and I knew that, even though I was being told the opposite.
I broke away at age eighteen to live with my father three thousand miles away. I blossomed! I wasn’t being told how stupid and ugly I was. My new family adored me. I went to school, got a job in the beauty industry and I even did some modeling. On visits to see my mother I told her all this but she still made me feel like I wasn’t good enough. (“You’re too thin. Don’t think you can always use your looks to make money.” Blah blah) unfortunately, I met a narcissistic boyfriend who did to me the same things my mom did. I used alcohol to cope. I lost jobs, went to therapy that didn’t help, and made a mess of my life.
Long story short, I moved back to the Midwest to get away from that guy and because of the high cost of living in California.
I found my way though. Got a job, met a guy, and got married. (He wasn’t good enough for me according to my mom.) That was when I was 34. We have been married nearly 39 years. Happily! How did I do that!? I was very determined. I had an innate faith in myself.
Sorry I went on so long. Plus there was a lot more to the family dynamic that there is no room here to get into.
It’s just kind of weird hearing someone describe my life! I have been through therapy several times but none of this ever came up.
Thank you!
Are you a narcisist?
That’s a beautiful story I’m happy you found your peace after so much heartache, god bless you🙏🏾
ha ha you don't have to apologize, you are worth reading about!!
Great story, very similar to mine, but I was the oldest boy. Moved away to get away from them. Blossomed. Thank you for sharing.
I find it interesting too as Dr. Ramani is perfectly describing my life and my family dynamics in some of these videos. It's a miracle so many of us are alive I reckon from these comments. Take care
"Walking every day on eggshells" resonated deeply. I've been trying to pinpoint where I hold stress in my body. I think it may be in my entire muscle system. Like a rabbit that senses the predator, the stillness I experienced, the stillness that alerted me that it was time to walk on eggshells because mommy and/or daddy were on the edge and about to lose it. I believed as a child, 'one false move on my part will set them off. My childhood was exhausting.
You just echoed my own childhood. It was relentless wasn't it? No wonder I have to deal with waking up at all times of the night. It was a program for self preservation to anticipate it all. Carly Simon had it right in her song Anticipation.
@@Feribrat99 Relentless is the perfect word.
Oh yes. It is like you are on a battlefield. Your body is contantly ready for an attack and for hell to break loose
My body is allways aware and ready to .....run just like the rabbit you mention
I lived my entire childhood on eggshells...
The greatest talent of the covert narcissist is how they manipulate you into believing they are victims... you should feel sorry for them while all the time they are abusing and using you.
On another page, by a different therapist, of comments about a RUclips video about narcissists and CPTSDs - I read a post from a self professed narcissist. Nobody had replied to them! It struck me that we were all a bit nervous around the narcissist. I wanted to reply - but I rationalised that a thumbs up would be enough. The thing is, afterwards, what struck me is how inexorably excruciating it must be to be a self aware narcissist. Can you imagine knowing that you have an irresistible urge to use people, that it stems from earlier psychological damage and you can't stop yourself, but wanting to warn potential victims?! Wanting some communal feeling, support and understanding.. Being completely alone because you're trying to do the right thing... Very troubling.
I think I feel a little sorry for narcissists even though I know they would never feel sorry for me.
Exactly what my narcissistic mother did me. This talent is called passive aggressiveness. That is her superpower.
The roughest bit is hearing your own stories come from them. Telling you you do to them what they do to you, feeling insane about it. Wild.
I was nine months pregnant, when my MIL scolded me for telling her she might make her daughter uncomfortable by packing two pieces of brrad, to go to a barbecue her daughter was having and she wasn't invited to. Not on purpose, her daughter just didn't think of it.
True ,true😮
I was the scapegoat and it took me 45 years to learn that fact. After my parents died from cancer I escaped my toxic siblings. I feel robbed but healthier and free. Thank you, Dr. Ramani.
We were robbed. Robbed of our true selves. It's sickening
It took me 50 years to learn my abusive family .I am angry at myself for not being aware of my family,Dr Ramani is amazing
@@bereal6590 Big Time - The Truth
I sure understand what you’re saying. It was when my parents aged that I really began to see the truth of our family dynamics. My sister is the narcissist and I was her scapegoat. I do not understand why or how my parents allowed the situations that occurred. Perhaps they were also victims of a sort to my sister. And robbed describes how I have felt as well. All family ties are gone, including our extended family. But I’m no longer her source of supply. I do wonder who is in that role now and how long they endure her.
@@evathomas9730 🙏 thank you. It’s as though we know each other. My sister is the weapon of destruction on my end as well. All the friends I chose were replicas of my sister too.😓she raised my youngest sibling so I’ve heard all my life how I’m nothing like my sisters. (Thank the Lord)..Blessings to you, Eva. God bless you. With knowledge and spirituality, Dr. Ramani - we will recover.
As the scapegoat when my hideous marriage was done I was independent and happy on my own. But what really made my life so sweet and lovely were all the pets I have had. There’s your unconditional love! I rather bond with animals you can trust rather than with humans you can’t.
I was the scapegoat and truth teller in my family. I went no contact last year which probably saved my life in more ways than one. My only regret- I wish I went no contact sooner. I spent much of my adulthood depressed and chronically ill while dealing with family narc abuse. But I am blessed to say, I'm now free of them.
Thank you for this comment. I went no contact also, 47 years ago, I always wondered if I did the right thing.
I also regret not leaving sooner, but we left in the end! Now it's time to put our own happiness and well-being first.
@hisgraceislove. I suffered as a child and as an adult I was hopeful I would have a better life for me and my child. My unaffectionate uninvolved husband contributed to even more depression and now must go be on my own at age 52. I have nothing more to give after he has moved me too many times to follow his dreams with career promotions, hobbies, schooling, incessant tv and movie 🍿 with no real quality time with his sideline wife. I worked, I also educated myself, but stayed way too long. So sad I wasted my life for my daughter to have suffered from this dysfunction. Why can people just not love and grow together? He never wanted to accept that Jesus is the way. He denies God. He is his own god. I died long ago waiting and praying. Time to move on since I’ve lost way too much.
Good for you ❤ I feel the same. Wish I realized sooner... But hey, here we are, alive and free 🥰
At 59, I no longer “want” my mom to understand what she’s done and continues to do to me. I no longer “want” her to admit her bad behavior, judgment, attitude towards me, I no longer “want” an apology.
I am beyond and over all “those wants”.
Now, I “only want” it to stop - in whatever way that manifests itself. I’m done caring if she ever realizes that she’s an abusive, enabled Narc.
It's really hard when you realize your parent REALLY doesn't love you, for whatever reason. It's hard to trust anyone when the person who should have, doesn't. I can't help you, but I can empathize. It's their dysfunction, not yours.
I wish I could get here so badly. I'm 57, been no contact for 2 years. My family treats me like I'm Cruella DeVille and my mother is an adorable dalmation puppy.
That's basically where I am today.
@@nancyjohnson5483 That sounds tough. I think if you feel it's a duty, you'll be glad you did this later when she's gone.
Mine were more sadistic (actually derived pleasure from psychologically abusing me). I finally had to walk away 100% once I realized what was going on. Only took me 50+ years! :-)
@@Gigi-wb8pe glad you finally found peace
I knew I was the Scapegoat in childhood. What I did not understand was this extended into adulthood and the siblings are used as proxy abusers. I didnt realize that the lying and smear campaign had gone on for decades. I woke up to it after a family mobbing that included violence. I cut them all out over 2 years ago and shocked the hell out of them. Learning about this dynamic has helped me realize it was them and not me. I give them a gift. I handed back all that bs to them to keep. I am no longer the receptacle for their garbage.
I was told by one of my sisters, I'm afraid we'll never see you after the funeral... I replied ...why should I stick around to be smeared and talked (lies) about behind my back. Now, I'm finally free from the toxicity of this dysfunctional family of mine.
Well said! Overstood.
Unfortunately, I too have anyways been the scapegoat. In childhood to adulthood. It's b.s.
I love the power in your comment, I sense a beautiful strength! So glad to see you feel so strong and powerful! I wish you all the best Leslie, you absolutely deserve it my friend :)
You'd think after childhood it would end that would be it but it's not you're still blame for their actions an mistakes an short comings etc as though you're in control of their actions
Omg yes. Spot the f on
I always felt like my family bullied me. Being the victim of bullying has made me very compassionate & stoic. I am very thankful for this experience. Good things make us happy, but bad things make us strong.
Well said
That's exactly what my mom said. Me. Mom you treat me differently from my siblings. Mom...And look what a well educated, finically independent, strong person you have become..I moved away at 20..all I ever wanted was my mother to say she loves me and is proud of me. It happened on her deathbed.
My twin sister not only had a meltdown and criticized and attacked my life, she also started ripping on my then 5 year old. And that was when I went no contact. She is the golden child, I was the scapegoat. The Black Sheep. And you're right about breaking cycles. I don't want to put my kid through what I went through.
It is what it is.
I have one of those sisters. She can never do no wrong in my parents eyes or in anyone else, she's a master manipulator... and believe me she's done a lot of wrongs... unforgivable ones! But family pushed under rug. But the second I made a mistake of any kind, I am attacked... I learned that at very early age., as an adult, I made minimum contact with them all, that includes my other siblings because they all undermined me in every aspect. Even as an adult they treat me like my opinions, my say don't mean a thing.. now after my parents past, I don't have to have a relationship with any of them...GONE!
Good for you....stay strong.
@@jannavargas5398 Ugh, I have a sibling who also gets away with everything. He does recreational drugs frequently. Nparents complain about the smell, but don't tell him to stop. Once he had a bad LSD trip in public on a hiking excursion with his friends. Who was up all night by his bed caring for him? Nparents. He doesn't contribute to house chores like cleaning, but Nparents give me an earful about it even though I'm the one who often sacrifices my time to do a thorough weekly clean. Lately I've slipped up with the cleaning because I've been stressed, yet they all ganged up on me and made it out to be a huge problem, telling me that I'm this awful and ungrateful person (queue the Nparents' "We gave you food, shelter, clothes" speech). It's so draining. I can't wait to be financially stable enough to leave.
I grew up w twins as best friends and interestingly one was the scapegoat and one was golden child . Crazy how that unfolds with twins .
I was the scapegoat until 20yrs ago when I left my parents and siblings behind. Best thing Ive ever done. After I abandoned them I started to feel better..
I thoroughly recommend it to other scapegoats
I am about to have to do this. I can’t stay around my family, it never ends well. I think it is time to go for good now
Well it took me a long time, but, I know who they are now. Life is better without them.....I never did enough...I have a difficult time taking care of just me. ,,,so much guilt....so uncomfortable. But since I've been diagnosed with bone cancer....I have no choice but to take care of myself. This is a whole new adventure.
You didn't abandon them, you saved the one you could - yourself
I dumped mine decades ago. It's lonely at the holidays but it's worth it
Sad but true...your sanity must be a priority!
My older sister was the scapegoat in the family. I was the lost child. Recently I spoke up in her defense about something and must’ve rocked the boat, I became the target of an attempted smear campaign. I think this was retaliation for going to bat for her, and since she limits her contact with several siblings, they needed a new target! I am beginning to understand how painful it must have been for her throughout the years!
On your sister's behalf...Thank you.
Siblings often don’t see anything until the target ices themselves out. It’s usually too late.
When I was 60 yrs old, my only sibling, my younger sister by 14 months, the 'golden child' to our mother, called me & told me she was beginning to understand what I had been telling her for years & why I went no contact with our mother. A HUGE burden lifted from me as she answered my question, "What do you understand?" She really did see some of the sh!t our narcissistic mother heaped on us & especially on me, the scapegoated child. Now she receives the brunt of crap since I went no contact 2 yrs ago.
Yep. I hope my siblings finally admit to all of it and break away like I did. I'll never know because I recently went NC with ALL of them. Was LC for years but enough is enough and the way the world is (if you know, you know) I don't want them anywhere near me.
@@katie7748 sorry to say that unless they stop being flying monkeys, it's not likely to happen. Just focus on yourself.
I have to say that I am a great bully slayer. You develop this inner strength by the empathy and when you witness bullying, you are able to actually make the bully back down- and that’s really hard to do.
You never stop being the scapegoat.
Move far away and cut contact.
You are not obligated to them.
Release yourself and don’t look back.
Hello fellow scapegoats!
It’s good to know we are not alone in our experiences, isn’t it?
Yes
Thank you Jesus Christ, "Yeshua Messiah," for modern day technology. We can now communicate and reach out to others, but also to be re assured that we are not Alone.. We can now educate ourselves, and empathize with others, and by sharing with eachother. Hearing others share, like a support group, can teach us new ways and ideas of how to deal with similar problems now in life. What's worked for others, will probably work for us or at least learn which mistakes they have made as well, so maybe we can avoid those same problems as well.
Thank all of you for your postings or making a comment...
It really is. Living as a scapegoat as a child is very isolating. Even now, my elderly parents still scapegoat me so often, but I know better now.
Yup
you are not alone xo
When the scapegoat finds them self. They will seperate from their family and thrive while watching their family fall apart. At times the scapegoat may want to return the family; but when they think of the peace they have they never return back and live a great life.
I see them every half a year now. Enough time to forget how bad it is actually going back.
I cried the pain so sore, but knowing I’m not alone , reading other peoples comments, and understanding it gives me hope .
Thank you 🙏
I was the scapegoat as a child. At some point I realized that no matter what I did, I would be considered the bad guy. So I left my family, haven't seen or talked to them for over 5 years. Best choice I ever made
Amen. I haven’t spoken to my dad in like three years and it’s finally shown me peace. I love your photo of Medusa-just like scapegoats, she’s gotten an undeserved reputation. But she knows how to protect herself from people who do her wrong. (Patron Saint of grey rock?)
I just recently deleted my email account. Their emails to me were so toxic, I was having a hard time functioning at all. They have this ability to immobilize or incapacitate me for weeks at a time. I already live over 3000 miles away from them, but I'm terrified that they're going to show up on my front door step one of these days. I'm already making plans to leave my home. I have a boat I can stay on. I can't take a chance on them finding me.
Same. Be great without them. Aroha from New Zealand.
I went no contact now for 15 yrs and it’s the best decision I ever made. You will heal and grow further from here, no more abuse to ruin your dreams. I went back to my family once 27 yrs ago after they convinced me that our family needs forgiveness and a new start. I then realized they never changed their behavior and still used the same tactics to abuse me once they lured me back. If a family member reaches out to you for atonement and reconciliation, run! They lie and manipulate with guilt trips, zebras never change their stripes. You are worth living your best life now without them. Never take them back.
@@sewitseams5632 Great advice!!
I was trained to have no feelings even when I was being hurt, ignored, disrespected. And yet! I was somehow expected to go out in to the world and be assertive and confident! That didn't happen of course. I have had to try five times as hard as anybody else just to be average.
Me too. I couldn't have said it better.
OMG... so true
Well said!
Same
@MadamCh0let
I feel ya. I think I went through something similar. But we should be proud of ourselves just for trying. For not giving up.
I’m also a scapegoat. It’s taken me 40 years to start to shake off believing I’m a bad person. It’s been hard to accept that the feelings of anger and frustration toward my mother for total emotional neglect and constant invalidation don’t mean I’m bad, it means I’m human and still feel fully. There are many downsides of social media but access to content like this is one of the absolute bright spots- life changing! Thank you.
I'm 41 and right there with you. We'll be alright
Thank you for putting into words what I cannot.
I had that exact kind of "mother"......
💟🤗
You’re not bad, I get it I grew up believing I wasn’t worth the air I breathed thanks to siblings and extended family that shoved me out of the loop. Thankfully my parents aren’t narcs but they did enable and gaslight not realizing the damage they were enabling to create. You’re a surviver not a bad person, not a criminal, not at fault in anyway! Your mom owed to you a healthy childhood and failed but I’m sure you’re a better person than most in the world 🤟🏽
I was the scapegoat and the helper until I was 27 and cut the contact to the narcissist parent, which was the only parent. This video, like many of the videos on here, is like hearing my life story told by a doctor whom I don't know. Sometimes isn't very triggering, and sometimes I feel very lucky that I found this channel.
I was manipulated by the time I was born and it took a huge step...to turn my back on everything I learned growing up...and give the therapist a chance. Hear them out and trying to review the things they told me. And it was like a puzzle with 5000pieces...falling into place all at once. It was so intense. I am so very lucky I survived my childhood. I was being traumatised in many ways, not only by the day to day drama. There were many things happening that should have put my parent behind bars. But they kept isolating me and my siblings so much. And by the time we were 12, we were so used to not being allowed to tell anyone anything. We wouldn't speak at all. I didn't know how to make friends, and still don't. I have not one friend, that invests as much love and energy in the friendship, as I do. No matter how bad I am doing, I am reaching out to people every day. But they do not answer more than twice a week or so. I often think, I must be too much for them. I don't know.
I cut contact to my twin sibling, and one cut the contact with me. It's been 3 years and I don't know why. But it must have to do with my twin. Who is a narcissist as well, as I found out 2 years ago. But didn't fully realise until yesterday, that they already were through my entire childhood.
I have a stepsister who is older and with whom I am very good friends. We have 600km between us and she has 2 beautiful kids. They love me very much, even though I am hardly able to visite. The three of them are everything I got.
My twin got two kids as well...I am so sorry for them, cos I know what they are going through and will continue to go through. It breaks my heart and I try to help their partner as much as I can. Now that my twin separated from the partner in a state of insanity. I hope they will come to and realise the damage they've done, but I think.... it's all a narcissistic game to them.
On a brighter note: I am good, I am mostly out of that hell and this is something not everyone gets to achieve. My empathy is very high and of the charts sometimes. My adapting to prevent chaos and wrath during childhood, makes me stand out in every job. But mostly in a bad way. But is also is nice. I learn very fast and work independent within hours of starting somewhere. It had it's perks
Scapegoat here! I feel like I am always the peacemaker, and caught in the middle of my Narcissistic parents drama
Oh yeah... parents triangulate me between them. Absolute he'll 🙋
The same here, always in the middle
Yup definitely true for me too
@@bereal6590 Real truth
Tell me a parent that actually knew what they were doing?
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I was a nanny busy care for kids many narcissists simply wanted to pawn off on others. Many ways to earn a paycheck wasn't even satisfied simply doing that. Did give me the advantage to see glimpses into MANY environments. To come to the conclusion we all make mistakes simply don't make it a willful pattern to repeat the abuse or justify it especially for profit.
Folks, look up the Japanese concept of "Kintsugi." The correlation: Scapegoats have broken psyches. If they become stronger as a result of their experience, they become unique and more beautiful.
…and very confident, fulfilled, happy
That is a beautiful word. Thank you for sharing this. I hope to become better and stronger after all this hell.
Kintsugi is a perfect metaphor. I'll commit it to memory. 😊
OMG looked it up...what a beautiful concept...I am Kintsugi :)
DAMN!
This scapegoat grew up, got away and established her own life, with her own family, 800 miles away. A major reason for my happiness over the past 25 years is that I have a strong appreciation and gratitude for the quiet life and wonderful people I now have in it. Compared to the horrible childhood and adolescence I was 'gifted' with from my family of origin, I can now truly enjoy everything I have.
I am happy for you 🌹 Well done
Happy for you!! ❤☺ I am making a long distance move soon to escape my narc mother and family. Can't wait!!!
@@andreabl15188 excellent. I wish you the best.
As a former scapegoat, i can attest to this: it is imperative for scapegoats to cut their family of origin off- because what happens is when you become an adult and have kids, your “family” will use YOUR kids now as the fresh supply for their toxic abuse!
Narcissist dont change over time, holding onto hope that one day theyll see how much you mean to them, aint gona happen! They actually get worse over time 😢. So please do the inner work, and use those gifts you acquired to help heal others ❤
that’s crazy news , wow
My mom was a wicked beast who knew, and still knows how to look great in front of people. If she put one ounce of the effort she put into looking good, into actually being good, she might have actually turned into a decent person. I still can't even be in the same room with her without cringing.
I'm with you on that, you could be describing my mother. I'm so sorry you experienced this too.
@petty poppy It depends on who is asking
WOW, WOW and WOW that is and was my mom in a nut shell. She never said a nice thing to me, ever so my sisters never treated me good either. It didn't change after my mom past away either. So little by little my two older sisters past away and I have a little sister left. But I finally went no contact with her and I feel at peace
@@lanettelarkins2474 I'm sorry you lost your sisters. What you went through sounds very intense. I respect that you typed it out. I truly hope you come out of this thriving. Its so frustrating that people who shouldn't have children do it so freely. They end up not only neglecting them, but abusing them. I don't know about you but I wish what I went through was only neglect. The attempts my mother took to be a mother were so twisted and self serving; Her efforts were bound to be destructive because she never grew up. Ugh, life can be such a mess. Good luck to you, and I wish you nothing but comfort and love.
Same here
I left my family behind at the age of 47, and it was the best thing I could have done. Twenty-eight years later my mother finally died at the age of 105, and when I found out, I felt relief.
Mean people always seem to live long lives...
@@MsEagle20 That just seems so. Since you want to be free of them so much.
Only people that been in that situation understand , hope your doing well
@@rchi3906 Thank you. I am.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST 105 YEAES OLD!? OMFG WHY DO THE WORST PEOPLE ALWAYS LIVE THE LONGEST!?!? Glad she is finally out of your life and can't hurt anyone else.
Kind of fighting back tears listening to this. I’m at the stage now where I’m distancing myself from my family. And all the unhealthy connections I accumulated through the years.
I feel like doing the same as you, I am not sure I will feel better doing that.
One thing I will say the dynamics never change sadly.
Same
ARM’s length is my #1 rule anymore if I don’t personally trust that person to not be civil taking to me, and treat me like an equal? I can’t take them seriously. Don’t let them more closer on your personal life! The few narcs I’ve known seem to do this to me when nobody else is around? That’s what seals the deal for me (a older sibling and an coworker from a couple decades ago.)
Yup! I’m 26 and just seeing everything clearly
It's a hard road out of hell but it DOES get better! 👍
Sttay strong, don't be afraid to put yourself first and you'll get there! ❤️❤️❤️
Good luck! 🥰
watching this , for me it was difficult not to cry. A family therapist when I was a kid, actually made my mom brother & sister leave the room so she could give me the breakdown of what was happening & why - that I was not to blame for the dynamics in my family & that my relatives may never stop doing this & I had to find ways to cope with that in order to adapt & flourish in life. She was right. Even decades later. That feeling that I was "the family joke" never left me.
“No contact” with one of my family members was the best decision of my life. Your happiness is more important than anything!
Religiously, I feel pressure from God to go back in.
@@WhatIHaveBeenGiven No - what did Jesus say about hating mother and father, Luke 14:26. Also - I came to divide, - anyone who loves mother and father more than me is not worthy. His teaching is for the scapegoat-
“The punching bag” I remember saying that to myself as a child and I isolated myself to avoid the family dynamic. Described as a free spirit because I did not want to conform to the role given to me. Now 18 months into therapy due to the last abuse marriage now ended and seeing a much different future for myself.
I am now “demanding” for people to treat me respectfully
i am not sure about these labels--but i do know i was teased mercilessly by my parents and sisters for wanting a clean house, clean clothes and nice hair. i retreated always to my room and books. i was shy and feared speaking to anyone till high school. then i was ridiculed about boys and good grades--or my achievements were just ignored by my parents. is this scapegoat kind of stuff? my dad hated every choice i made. both parents bought everything for middle child. i always had to pay parents back for any thing like school
clothes. all interesting. i guess i am ok . but my the middle sister has taken everything from mother and left her penniless and senile. i am now picking up the pieces and repairing my mother.
@@jillmaxwell4259 please go talk to someone, get professional help. I’ve been in therapy for 18 months now and I’m finally getting stronger. A good therapist will help you sort all these questions out. Answers to your questions will take time and once you start sorting things out you will pick your label. Which btw labeling is super important to understanding the things you need to work on to heal. You were definitely bullied and emotionally/ psychologically abused so that may a good start in therapy. Best wishes to you on your journey!!
Me too. Even before listening to this video I described myself as the “punching bag” of my parents.
@@jillmaxwell4259 oh gosh, this sounds like a painful journey. I personally think you're right, your feelings were never recognised or respected or empathised with. Sounds like the golden child is now preying on your parents. I'm in exactly the same situation, maybe even worse. Good news is you sound very resilient 😊 You may benefit from therapy, but sadly I wouldn't recommend becoming involved directly with the situation with your mother, helping her pick up the pieces is so strong and gracious of you. You may never receive the gratitude you deserve for it, but let it be it's own reward to yourself ❤️
Wow. I fully relate to this. I spent so much time alone to avoid the degradation, and my parents would mock me the second I emerged for being “too sensitive.” I’ve been the black sheep always, but I wear that as a badge of honor now, because it means I’m not like them. I hope your healing continues! 💕
My son recently asked me why my sister was so mean to me. I tried to explain to him the fact that I was my narcissistic mother's scapegoat in the family. I told him that she recruited my sisters to join in the abuse and they happily complied. I'm not sure if he understood what I was telling him, but it made me feel seen when he mentioned that my sister was abusive to me.
That sounds like my story. My sisters are our mother's "bulldogs". I haven't talked to them in 14 years.
It's similar to the school bullying dynamic, where others join in with the bullying or at least don't stand up for the victim, because people feel the choice is either to go along with it or face becoming another victim themselves. Might be easier for your child to understand.
Ye maybe tell him something else.
@@Caroline_T awesome !
@@Caroline_T Sounds just like my sister, too. Yet she somehow wonders why I hang up on her when she does this.
It makes me cry to hear her talk about me. Like she knows me or what i have been through. It all totally checks out. I am very empathic and always trying to make sure everyone is happy
This scapegoat experience gave me empathy and I became a nurse for thirty seven years and gained much satisfaction helping people
God bless you!!
Yes. I taught 20 years at a high school for "at-risk" teens with very troubled backgrounds. That degree of empathy is valuable when used to help others.
Praise GOD!!! Isn't it amazing . The narcissist lives to destroy people because once upon a time they were hurt. We the scapegoat have been abused over and over and we live to love and serve others. Quite the mystery?!?!?!?!!
Similar here, i dispatch ambulances to try and save lives and listen to those in distress
Me too, i m a nurse🌹🌹🌹🌹
Makes sense. When you’re “responsible for everything” you are “responsible for everything”...meeting people’s needs, etc.
Thank you for that
So true. Scapegoats are the 'cause' of all family problems. So we're hyper-viligant about trying to solve problems. After 7 years away from this nightmare, I've just become chill. If you have a problem, then solve it. Blaming me isn't gonna do any good anymore. That ship has sailed. I love ya'll, but here's what. I have learned to mourn the day when I actually gave a sh*t. Those days have passed. Now be well, and I hope all goes well for you narcs, but I'm out of the equation.
My new favorite response. "Oh no, that's awful. What are you going to do about it?".
OMG! I feel literally like I’m responsible for fixing and caring for the whole world. I was parentalized as a child, too.
OMG! Is that what it means to be a scapegoat? That’s me...
As a scapegoated child I still feel uncomfortable recieving gifts, love, or help from other people since I’m not used to it. Romantic movies make me really uncomfortable because I never really had a feeling of unconditional love. I have repeated the same patterns of making friends with narcissistic people and dating narcissistic people some of them abused me as well. I’m trying to stop the patterns and look for ways to set boundaries and cope better. I’m moving away from my NMom this winter so hopefully the distance helps our relationship.
I’m 😢 sorry.
Omg the same here I get super uncomfortable when some tries to help , give love or even receiving a gift .. and romantic movies makes me uncomfortable .. I get super scared when I get too close to people …
Ditto
Sending you big hugs I used to be that way too now I ask for things love, time, attention, gifts, money which was like doing a 180! You matter and deserve things too try asking for some of your needs to be met you can heal this.
EXACTLY the way I feel...makes me not feel so alone😍
This is my 1st time listening to your video! WOW!!!! You hit the Nail on the Head! I never knew I was the Scapegoat of the Family, until this last year when I started to Search why I felt so different and unwanted by my Family. I started searching what Narcissistic Behavior was and was SHOCKED to hear that was my Upbring! I got Blamed for EVERYTHING when things went wrong and even as a Adult, I still get blamed!! 😢. I have suffered ALL my Life with Mental Illness (Major Depression, Anxiety, PTSD, Bipolar and Schizophrenia). I always thought why am I ALWAYS being Abused (Emotional Mental Spiritual Physical). Doing this Soul Searching, is helping me come to Terms of my Past that I was Neglected and Abandoned by the People who were supposed to take care of me. It's only been a few months, but I've made the Decision to "Walk Away". It's not like the Family has made any effort to make Contact with me to bring Healing. So I need to find Healing on my own with doing the Hard Work and just being the Best Person I can be! Just recently, a Neighbor agreed to be my Adoptive Mom and Boy did it ever feel good to be "Wanted". I feel like I'm making some positive steps and discovering "Who I really am"? It helps to have a good Cheerleading Community who see the Potential in me and my AWESOME Husband who always tells me how much I'm Loved!!! I CAN do this!! I WILL BREAK FREE and be a Blessing to Others! 🙏
I stood up to my sister and let her know that I wasn't going to put up with her manipulation. She immediately started gaslighting me and telling me I ruined the holiday for for family (like always). If I stay, I deal with disrespect. If I stick up for myself, im blamed for everything that happens. It's been like this forever. I'm an adult now. I don't have to put up with this.
My sister is very hard work like your sister. They don’t understand the meaning of fairness, compassion and family love.
Exactly! I'm in the middle of it right now ..My sister has distorted everything realizing she is actually the problem is mind blowing..it is straining between everyone between us like my Dad I just want to be not near her bad and everytime I go vist she pops in it's weird..Also reaching out to my in laws to come to her party and not inviting me ..so messed up..They aren't going but that's what she wants me to feel alone.
Wow your story is as if it was put in my own words. That is exactly what I am going through. I am the older sister. I have reached the point that I can't put up with the abuse. She can never hold responsibility for her actions. So she turns the table and makes me the bigger bad guy. Blocks me or gives me the silent treatment. Then my dad is enraged and tells me I have to apologize. Her action of blocking me over and over is justified...
@@naddyn685 rpp
just cut ties with my sister for the same reason
I can tell you what happened to this Scapegoat, myself, after I was kicked out of the house at 18: I joined the US Army, travelled to Germany, got accepted into the ROTC program to become an Army Officer, got a degree in Computer Science all on my own dime - parents helped me not at any point at all. Now I own my own very nice home, have children who are going to college, have a good career in the IT field, and am very happy! My parents thought I would be a loser but I proved them very wrong. I interact with my family on my own terms and none of them dare treat me as a scapegoat these days!
You go!!! I’m 26 and nowhere, stories like this give me hope!
Good for you ❤❤❤
You did amazing! But the thing they will never be proud or be pleased with your amazing accomplishments. They are twisted trust me! But your happy and that is what counts here 🙂
Good for you!! You're amazing and I'm sure your children agree. Thank you for not giving up
AND THATS ON PERIOD BITCHHH LETS GOOOOOOO
“They often go on to be tremendous parents”
The tears just started pouring. I’m so terrified of becoming my father. But I have the insight that he doesn’t. And I have compassion and understanding and I’m deeply loving of everyone. I want to be a parent, and I am starting to have more faith that I can be a good one. ❤
Former scapegoat here
My two children helped my heart heal
I am capable of so much love and so are you 💜
@katja peeters i have a boy and girl
I tease call them favorite son and favorite daughter
They roll their eyes but grin
Trust yourself. You will be a good parent. I went through the same proces. It took me years to find enough trust in myself to start the parenting adventure.. Now I am the happy mother of boy-girl twins of 10 years old. And we’re just so happy together. Family life is nothing like I experienced in my childhood and for me it is very healing this experience gets overwritten. Take care, own your stuff, do the work and go for it!
Oh this touched me. As I too understand your fears and more. True Insight is important to coming to understand. Good for you good for us all.
I've always vowed never to have kids for fear I would be like my father. I could never do anything that didn't tempt his rage. I'm 43 now and regret not having a kid. I think you can be a great father
' I really really hope for scapegoats to recognise that they've always been more than enough " ....hits hard
I am 54 and I was the youngest and the scapegoat to a narc mother. This effected me hugely in my adult life.
The Negatives:
-I am asexual (experience no sexual attraction to anyone) because I was not permitted to be curious about girls and relationships.
-I developed a DEEP distrust of women because of my experience with my narc mother and several others. I also like women very much despite that deep distrust.
-I and my 2 siblings have never been married and have no children.
-I have a strained relationship with my brother (Invisible child).
-I have gone no-contact with my sister (Golden child).
-I struggled with low confidence, poor self esteem, suicidal ideation, and poor social skills as a young adult.
-I seem to be attracted to women who turn out to be BPD, NPD, sex abuse victims, etc.
-I am overly empathic and it attracts narcs, borderlines, and psychopaths to me.
-Isolated from elderly parents by adult goldenchild who lives with them and lords over them.
-I have grown to deeply dislike people who share my ethnicity, especially the women due probably to the fact that they resemble my abusive mother.
The Positives:
-I am fiercely independent.
-I attained high educational, professional, and financial success even though I was labeled the "problem child."
-My need to escape from that narc family dynamic made me adventurous and a world traveler.
-I am likable and most people warm up to me easily.
-I am adept at recognizing personality disordered individuals early.
-I have gotten good at enforcing my boundaries.
-I developed myself physically to protect myself.
-I eventually became a senior federal law enforcement officer.
-I retired at age 50 and enjoy an optimal retirement lifestyle.
You Mr, are amazing ! All the best and well done for being a warrior 😎 an insightful and relatable read.
I feel your list of positives are similar to mine and i'm working on the last ones! go you! we showed them in the end what we were worth. x
Can someone be scape goat and invisible kid in the same time??
Same positives for me.... I'm in love with your spirit. I am 49 and went no Contact 3 years ago ! I RISE above
So happy for you that you were eventually able to taste true freedom. Freedom is everybody's for the taking. Nobody has the right to take that away from us. You are an inspiration.
U know the hardest part is never hearing two things. “Thank you” and “I’m sorry”. I’m 44 and these are mind blowing statements when those outside the circle know it will bring Tears to your eyes
At about that age my sister and I heard those phrases cross our mothers lips for the first time to the person my sister dubbed 'mothers third daughter'. It was our (the golden child and the scapegoat's) punishment for making friends for the first time. Narcs are psycho mean right to the bitter end.
Huh. I never heard them from my mother and I am 48 years old.
Heck. I have never had my mother tell say I love you to me.
or I love you.
The hardest part for me is looking back into my childhood looking for a good memory with my mother… just one good memory… and there’s not even one. Not one happy moment I had with my mother. Also never hearing thank you or I’m sorry
They’re so full of themselves they don’t want to appreciate other people.
Yep, i was the scapegoat. Physical, emotional and psychological abuse from my mother. Not something I realized independently. It was 42 years of abuse before I figured it out. Started reading and watching Dr. Ramani's videos to educate myself.
You go girl! 42 is very young still, you've only to ask anyone who is older and know what sugar, I'll bet you you're wise beyond your years! Blessings!
@@joseenoel8093 ❤thanks
Same
Read her book "don't you know who I am"
Yep and when my mom had cancer and I was the one over there "helping her out" one day she said to me I just wanted to tell you if I've ever not treated you right through the years or didn't do what I was supposed to do I'm sorry and I said Mom what are you talking about? oh stop! I stood in the kitchen by myself and I was like I wasn't wrong it really was bad for me..
and then I asked my siblings if mom had said anything like that to them and they looked at me like I was crazy but the best part came the night before she died I was the only one at the hospital trying to help her feel good and I made a comment I said" it'll be okay ma" and that is when she blew up she started screaming at me stop telling me it'll be okay and I think I blocked a lot of what she said but she got her last parting shot that night
..I don't know how to describe the feelings I had after that happened idk...there's nothing in books about the way I felt as I left that room... in the middle of the night they said to come and we got there and she passed away in the morning and there was a sense of relief and who in the world has a sense of relief when their mother dies? I often say out loud I wish my sister was still here and my dad...never my mom, sadly...Lol I always wanted Beavers mom June with her pearls, sitting on my bed and talking to me as my mom...yeah I really did🤓 in my 60s and I know it all now and my narcissistic sister...golden still likes to mock or do her thing...I may have to go no contact...closing up the circle
I was a scapegoat, and I’m also autistic (diagnosed very recently at 59), so I used to stand up to my parents as my brutally honest self, and call out the injustices that proliferated. My siblings tell me now how they all used to cringe whenever I did so. At almost 60, I’m still trying to unravel the complicated mess of my childhood.
The scapegoat spent years in awful relationships and seemed to consistently attract narcissistic people into their lives, the scapegoat was so desperate for love she accepted all the mistreatment. The scapegoat goat had regular complete breakdowns but never knew what they were . The scapegoat then became pregnant and was abandoned by the father as like everyone he was just abusing her. The scapegoat had to move back home to her abusers and was once again playing the role . Something changed inside the scapegoat after giving birth to her baby , she realised the huge unconditional love she had inside for her beautiful boy and old memories feelings and trauma began to resurface but this time she knew exactly what it was , abuse. She recognised she had been abused and used and projected on by a narcissistic mother and sexually abusive father . Through her son she saw love and what parenthood was supposed to be, so, she got help . She began therapy , the hell of therapy and the beauty of therapy at times was too much but she stuck with it. She began to realise how beautiful she was inside how robbed she had been as a child and how obliterated she had been throughout most of her life . She cut ties completely with the family of origin and was tarnished by them and called crazy evil psycho and mentally ill, the names and the attack on her even as a mother was tough to bare but she kept going forwards she was unstoppable. Her baby is a young adult now and a well rounded kind honest young man , the scapegoat? Well she went on to realise that actually she was intelligent she did have potential and she had worth so she began to study , the scapegoat is now a Doctor 👩⚕️ of psychology who specialises in children , oh I forgot to mention the scapegoat is me ❤️🙏🏽
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😍 great job!!! You bring me hope💚💚💚💚💚
heck yes!!!! so happy for you and tears are welling in my eyes of pure happiness reading this. My experience is quite similar to yours this is very inspiring I really need a good therapist the ones I've been to were not that helpful.
congratulations scapegoat!! you graduated with High Honours!!
This made me cry cause it hit in all the right places. It was beautifully described thanks for sharing and being totally awesome❤❤❤
“The wound is the place where the light enters you.” Rumi
At 63, I am learning to protect the scapegoat little girl inside of me who was shown no mercy. ❤️
If it wasn't for a friend pointing out this behavior and actually using the words "narcissistic personality disorder" 3 years ago to describe behaviors of my family at 48 I still wouldn't understand this. After 45 years of being blindly scapegoated, I can't imagine the many thousands of years and millions of people that must have been scapegoated who could never come to terms with it because they simply didn't have the words or the knowledge. As horrifically painful as it is to see that many years being blind, I have to be grateful that I still have knowledge that so many people have gone to their grave without understanding. One of the hopes that I have or the comforts that I have is that I don't have to figure out my family so much before I move on for healing, and the other consolation is as real or unreal as they may have been, I know that I was genuine, so in that regard I have peace. So I want to thank you for being a comfort and an inspiration to me, CC.
I'm with you in spirit and fortitude sister. 62 year old fearless protector of my inner little girl too.
@@loriedmundson782 realized at 62 that I was the "family punching bag." Googled that and all this scapegoating, narcissism stuff came up. Unbelievable that I was duped for so long. They would blow up and then things would go back to "normal" till the next rage-a-thon.
Yes also...59 grieving my younger self. I keep a old Polaroid of myself as a child in my kitchen so I can love on that innocent, little girl every day!... ✌️🌻💖
I feel you same here 😢
"I really, really hope for scapegoats to recognise that they have always been more than enough, and that the constant manipulations of childhood were the projections of a psychologically stunted parent, who projected their own inadequacies and insecurities onto their children". THIS ❤. It should go on a T-shirt.
I want tobuy one!!
Things like this, I will often write on a note card and put it on the mirror or by the stove, somewhere I will see it frequently and read it over and over.
@@dorothypettijohn6228 Me, too.
@@lisakukla459 This is brilliant. I might start doing the same.
@@dorothypettijohn6228 😊❤
Oh my god! @DrRamani this is me! This makes me so hurt, sad, and angry! Thank you for your channel, it’s opening my eyes!
I am an adult scapegoat from an indian family, where the sons are born as Gods and my awareness since childhood, being the blacksheep empath, has helped me to become the survivor and the warrior; having suffered domestic violence (GBV) from my father, constantly protecting my mother, I don't take any BS from anyone including my own family now. It's taken a while to get there and I am now in my fifties, living by my own terms and only see my family when I want to. Healthy boundaries are one of the most important factors I congratulate myself for, best move I ever made.
Thank you Dr. Ramani I finally found a man who truly loves me and has never given up on me. Scapegoats need to learn to forgive themselves and others.❤ It's about forgiveness.
Same here am an Indian woman
Dont ever call yourself an empath, gives big redflag and abusive vibes
I suffered a lot due to my narcissist mother. She ruined my relationship with everyone. Hated throughout my life for no reason. I always tried to be a good daughter to her. But since I gave up my efforts past couple of years, she literally disowned me
@@deborahhidalgo-knapp1953 If that works for you, great. But in the real world there are things that are unforgivable and that's just how it is. Furthermore, I don't have anything to forgive myself for since I am not at fault.
Made up with my mother after a year, I started cleaning for her, she had been super sweet and but after 4 month she started verbally abusing me again. We went shopping today and she was being really loud speaking about the government and covid, moaning aggressively wanting everyone to know her views even though I agree with her on alot of things I said "mum please quiet down Abit" it was excessive. She shouted defensively " I will not be quiet, I will say what I want ". She carried on being defensive but I was quiet and just kept walking. Then 10 mins later she walked in the middle of road but the car was beeping at her. I said " mum the car is beeping, because your in the road". Once again she started shouting agressively that she doesn't have to move for anyone, I whispered "mum please shut up your embarrassing me" BIG MISTAKE! Her eyes widened at me, nostrils flared, it looked like she became possessed and said "how dare you tell me to shut up, who do you think you are you little child" btw I'm 37. She proceeded to verbally abuse me for about 5 minute in front of everyone, so humiliating I nearly cried. So I gave her, her bags, told her to make her own way home, don't expect me to take care of you and put up with the abuse. I told her to get my brother or sister to come take care of her, which btw they won't even though they are her favourites. I left her!
I will not give her another chance again, I would never even speak to my 11 year old that way.
You'd think after the 37 years of verbal and physical abuse, and the fact I'm still the only one helping her would spark some humility within her, but No! I don't believe these people can change! No more chances, no more tears!
What a joyous day of freedom for you! I wish I could have done that 40 years ago. You set a boundary today. A HUGE one! You don't deserve anyone's abuse. Stay strong.
@@Loralu192 Thank you! My step dad turned up out the blue today. He's left my mum after 15 years, she was angry because he went to see his daughter and family. It was the final straw for him too 😳
@@mikaking3150 Thank you! Not something I wanted to do but, I felt I was left with no choice!
@@Michelle-uh7qi stay strong! Don't ever try to make up with her again. I tried making up with my mom too.... didn't go well, regret ever trying. Her excuse for not being able to be a loving mother was because i was "fat, ugly and disgusting just like grandma" (her words about her own mother and me) and there is no way she could ever relate to me. My jaw dropped, i have no control over how genetics work. and yes i was a bit on the heavy side during my puberty before my hormone storm stabilised and my weight normalised to a "perfect 10" (like in the song. UK size 10), but it seems she can't get that old visual out of her head. It was surreal experience. By the way, my grandma was a lovely loving woman, i have only good memories of her. And it hurts me to remember all the ways my mother hurt her and manipulated her by using me as a pawn.... my mom alienated me from my grandma when i was 9, took me to another country, never saw my grandma again... after my mom died, i found letters from my grandma addressed to me that i never received... my mother did the same with my bio dad... and after i went no contact with my mom, her husband (my step dad) became the scape goat... unfortunately he wasn't strong enough mentally to leave and start anew. RIP step dad. He was a lovely man, always bending backwards for her to make her happy, but nothing was good enough for her... the goalpost just kept shifting.
@@SpiritDragoness Thank you!
Sorry you went through that, and yes children are nothing but pawns to narcissists, even the Golden children except it's a more pleasant experience for them.
Stay strong, keep shining 💪 ✨
Yes. I'm an empath too. I felt inadequate along the way, habitually trying to please. I woke up as a senior citizen. The knowledge you give is priceless. Thank you.
I'm so sorry.
I know how that goes. I hope that you get to enjoy your life, and enjoy to the fullest. You deserve it. Sorry you went through so much. Shalom
I'm sorry too and wishing healing and happiness for you.
I also am an empath and “woke up” as a 61 year old devastated soul, I’m 63 now, working desperately to heal, have gone no contact with my family including my daughter, I still have contact with my sons.
My family (mother’s side, father and his side absent childhood) are mostly women, and boy are they good narcissists
57.
Freedom. That’s what happens. Once you work the through the pain ( which may take years) you become very strong and it no longer affects you 😊❤
I ran away when I was 17 and never went back home. I knew what she was doing and often complained to my narcissistic mother about being the scapegoat for all of the family’s issues. I was the black sheep that flew far away, making something of myself rather than submitting, I will never give up.
I hope you know that you are not alone, your pain is real and I write this crying because my siblings and I went through the same thing, you will get better
@@ninahmuhsen2659 Your reply really touched my heart. Thank you. You are not alone either! We can get through this ❤️I’m so sorry you and your siblings had to go through this too! It’s so hard going through life without parents. As I write this with tears in my eyes, I deeply hope that you and your siblings have found solace in each other and found peace surrounding your childhoods. I continue to work on finding peace every day and am currently finding a new psychologist since I moved. I’m sending all love and light your way 💫
@@happiesteverin you do the same thing!! You were so strong in all that you overcame!! Thank you for such kind and wonderful words.
Proud of you Bren.
@@patlee8925 Thank you for saying so, that’s so very kind of you.
THIS is me. Almost word for word. I am now 68 yrs old and my parents are long gone but it took me SO LONG to understand that it was NOT MY FAULT. The feeling of relief is staggering.
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Same with me Marie Clancy. I don't feel I've ever had a successful relationship
my mom had me and my sis very young. the mean old girl , 79, is still kicking and kicking ME
@cindykristaSame here. Mom is a narcissist and then I married a covert narc. Life is unbearable at times😢
Parents who do not have a sense of emotional regulation cause this type of damage to their children. Just saying the term narcissist is a mixed bag of negativity for sure, but I think this is a better explanation to what happens when you grow up in this type of household.
I've become so reclusive because of this. I'm working on the healing and accepting/trusting myself, but I honestly have lost so much trust in people it kinda scares me. This vid hit the nails on the head in my life Dr Ramani, thank you
I get the reclusive bit, and I feel inadequate as I don't have a social circle. I would almost rather pay a stranger to go to lunch with me than risk getting manipulated again. It takes time I guess.
I’ve become reclusive as well and have almost no one in my life anymore except for my narcissist parents. My mother just judges me for never leaving the house. I’ve been so broken for long, but I’m finally finding my strength thanks, in large part, to people like Dr. Ramani❤️
I have each day less and less desire to interact with people. I used to be loving, outgoing and empathic. The narcs broke me. They won. I just want to be left alone.
@@priscilalondon Take the time you need to nurture yourself but don’t let them win by stealing your joy in life! One day, we’ll be ready to reach out and find people to have healthy relationships with if we desire ❤️🙏✨
@@Chahlie I agree it does take time and who knows how long
It is SO freeing when you set healthy boundaries & they throw you away. Deep peace comes into your life ... finally.
I've been reading through these comments for a while and wish we could all get together and talk. My advice to scapegoats is to leave home at 18 and have limited contact. Make your own life. Value yourself. Sending hugs to everyone out there who needs one. ❤️
Reading the comments is enough to give a person PTSD! Knowing that there are SO many of us going through exactly the same thing is something I still find incredible. I always thought it was just me, I actually used to think I was insane.
Good advice. Scapegoats should leave home by 18 and no later than that. I wish I had left at 14 to be honest.
I left at 24 no choice they all beat me up and kicked me out and I never understood why. Now at 33 I understand everything
@@Chahlie because that’s the gaslighting…
We got used to being alone I think but once we break out we connect with eachother..... my world is filling up with wonderful loving people now. We recognise each other very quickly once the cycle is broken. Learning about narcissism has taken a long time and Dr Ramani has helped me all the way through. Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
The moment you mentioned how scapegoated children go on to be tremendous parents my eyes welled up with tears. I vowed at 13 not to have children because I couldn't imagine what I was experiencing, being the experience of any other child. This is why I went into childcare as a profession. It has not always made this role easy. I decided later that I wanted to see if I could raise a child and not damage them. Well there was some dmg from early one due to my overwhelming fear but do to my ever present wish to avoid what happened to me and armed with my education and years of experience I now have an amazing young man that receives compliments on his ability to relate in social settings . I am the proudest mama.
I wonder how many of us chose not to have children because we recognized we never experienced a good role model?
You go, mama. 💛🥰💛
@@m.oniker8989 Yes I have wondered this. I know the only thing that changed my mind was my education and experience in childcare.
I think as an adult, I feel like it took almost a psychological break to try to fix what's been broken. Mainly, it's a conscious choice every day to not fall into that old pattern demonstrated to you. I do have one child, and we just don't talk about grandma much, and he knows enough about why he doesn't know her to not take it personally. I wish it could be different, but I'd need her to be someone else first for that to ever be.
You are so brave, keep it up and heal the world!
When people ask me what I want, I always say, "That's like asking a blind person which crayon they want to use." I was not allowed to have wants. That was selfish. If I was accused of anything, my silence was admission of guilt, but defending myself was also proof of guilt. I was told that if my friends and their families had to spend as much time with me as my family did, they'd hate me too. I was married to a narc for 20 years. Now, I live with a cat. Safer that way. I would dearly love to stop hearing the old tapes in my head, especially since some of them are dead and gone.
Oh…honey…. I can feel your pain. I’m so terribly sorry. 😞
hate to say it, but i wont have peace until some of them are in the ground...dont get me wrong, i genuinely love them from a distance--but i suspect some of them are destroying my health and life for real! whats the agenda for these devils?
Off the top of my head: Do what you're told. Children are meant to be seen, not heard. Do this, do that, get me this get me that. I never should have had all you kids. No one helps me. No one cares what you think. You have to earn your keep. I have my own problems. I'm not bad compared to some parents. (and for good measure, being made fun of, mocked, & threatened.)
I'm so sorry for what you endured!
I'm kinda the same. I have a nice roommate. He's been good to me. He saved my life. But I'd rather stay single and live alone with my cats and dog. And maybe get another dog. Humans are so destructive, I just can't deal with them anymore. I get more love from my animals than I ever did from humans. Except a few.
I relate to so much of this (and the truth teller part), but my situation is a little different/highly specific, and it hurts to be so alone with all the pain and frustration and fear and with nobody actually wanting to listen and understand. But this channel actually makes me feel seen lmao