Though something I will say, because it can be used for every genre, doesn't it should, Drama for a example isn't something you want animated, unless you're doing some funky stuff, or in the case of Bojack the writing works around the animation
For example, a person who goes by the name ChamberOfReavers criticized Crimson Mayhem's tweets saying things like “you're too old for kids shows.” and “It's time for you to get a job now, little boy.” Like, shut up, dude. I'm sure he got some things wrong, but you're not much better. Anyone who makes a good response to Chamber's tweets, I will gravel at their feet.
ITS WORSE if it’s a kids film Your kids film needs to be ENJOYED by kiddies AND adults becuase if an adult can’t watch it why would they watch it in the first place
I hate the notion that kids should just let stuff slide. Like, the fuck? why do we think children deserve _less?_ They deserve more. These movies shape their mind and deserve to be criticized.
“ It’s just a kids movie” kids deserve good things too! Just because they are kids doesn’t mean they should have to watch crappy, plotless or poorly animated movies. Kids deserve to have thought put into their entertainment.
i agree with this me and my siblings (where kids by the way) criticizes the shows we like and challenge the plot and get angry or confused with the plot of the crappy movie
Age ratings can be tools that right now not many people are taking advantage of. I wish more people could try and work smartly around the age ratings, allowing a more creative way to tell a story to the audience. I'm not explaining my point well enough, but I hope you can catch my drift.
@@hidinginyourcloset Yeah. That's like GTA is Rated M for Mature, yet kids can play it without having a problem to deal with inappropriate content while parents, moral guardians, and media watch dogs seemed to be paranoid about it.
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is rated 7+, and it manages to be genuinely dark and disturbing in places, while technically not showing anything that would be considered inappropriate for kids.
I once saw a Tweet observing that entertainment is the only product where people accept low quality because it's "just" for their kids. I think about that Tweet a lot.
Well its kind of interesting, because yeah, people can enjoy low quality stuff for many reasons. For example, "postmodern art" is basically just art that only sells at high pricetags, due purley to that high pricetag. I guess rich people have nothing better to spend thier money on so they buy literally garbage for shits and giggles. Same applies to a lot of stuff including animation, people just like low quality stuff sometimes for one reason or another.
@@Yipper64 Also cheap stuff such as fast food for example can get funky with what they do. I don't care if a fine wine is better, if Mountain Dew is doing some funky shit I'm buying it
I just got reminded of every parent who thinks buying their kids musical toys is doing the kids any favours I guess its the same people who talk to kids using "kiddie language"
To be fair I'll still defend Quest for Camelot for its creative designs and moments of genuinely cool animation. It had some great action scenes too. Overall it's low quality but by virtue of being animated theirs a lot of effort that can go in to particular details, so just in general I find low quality animation to have more hidden gems than low quality film
I never and will never understand that mindset. Animation is a medium, it's a way for talented artists and people with great ideas to express them in a more vivid and engaging way, in my opinion. Animation in movies, video games, etc, it doesn't mean it's for kids specifically. Just because it's rated G, PG, E, E10+ doesn't mean anything other than it's something everyone can comfortably get into. I don't love Disney, DreamWorks or Nintendo because their animation and artstyles are something I grew up with, I love them because what they taught and expressed was inspiring to me
@@alibrennan5977 I think it was the prevalence of cartoons, even from the old days, targeting families, while kids would be entertained a lot more. As that happened, people began thinking of animations that could be solely for kids and solely for adults. And it doesn't help that the media now would have the mindset of animation only being a target for kids simply because bright colors and cute art can keep their attention longer than live action shows
This is a sentiment that I've repeated ad nauseam but it needs to be said every time this type of topic is tackled. Walt Disney himself said "if you aim for just kids you're dead, adults are nothing but kids that are physically grown up." Just because something is family-friendly or kid oriented, doesn't mean it's kids exclusive. The preschool shows or movies being the exceptions of course.
To be fair, even that preschool bit is wrong... many child stories had darker twists to them. This taught them and gave something for both kids and adults to relate to. A message of the danger in the dark can be entertaining to an adult even. When you treat kids as if they are stupid... the grow up to be stupid. They need that extra help... because from day one you taught them it was always available and safe to fall back on.
While I don't want to stereotype, I always find it funny when the adults claim that bad animated kids shouldn't be criticized negatively because their "just for kids" and then go watch r rated comedy/action movies that are just as unintelligent if not worse than some kids content.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 my "preschool shows and movies being the exception" comment wasn't saying that they couldn't have darker or deeper things in them, it's more that those in particular are things that are heavily oriented towards *very* young kids, whereas what we call "kids movies" are movies that everyone of every age range should be able to enjoy, but are often said that they are for kids as a defense for why they are of lower quality. Sesame Street is actually a great example of this. Sesame Street very often will just be talking about a letter or counting to a certain number, but you will see some darker and heavier stuff that they talk about in that show as well. That said, I'd expect it to be more of the former than the latter due to how the shows generally work for that age demographic, and I wouldn't judge them as bad for doing that. Now if Sesame Street was nothing but Baby Shark then yes, that's bad, but generally shows and movies made for preschoolers aren't that bad. Emphasis on "generally".
Kids media deserve in depth analysis as much as anything else. If we want to teach kids about the world, we have to present them entertainment that doesn’t dumb them down but respects their curiosity.
@@bluesolace9052 yeah, fun fact about that show actually. The writers kept in a lot of jokes for adults and such and the producers said to not keep it in in case the kids don't get it. And the writers said "who cares if the kids don't get it". That's why the show is so good
I like Pixar, because they acknowledge that parents will be watching the movies with their kids, so they make it as enjoyable for them as they can without relying on innuendos and excessive pop culture references.
“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.” -C.S. Lewis To me quality is what matters, whether it's animation or live action. Whether it's made for children, adults, the family, or everyone. If the art has rich material worthy of praise then it will get praised. If it's overall bad and worthy of criticism then it will get criticized.
This is why Star Wars became a generational thing that was financially viable in the long run. Not a flawless trilogy but it had substance and a laid out plan so when original audiences grew up they could pass it on to their kids.
@@bluesolace9052 I agree, even when I was young I always thought Star Wars was the best example of something that appeals to and can be watched by everyone.
@@nothisispatrick6528 Well, I feel like people that don’t agree with you shouldn’t be called haters because they’re just expressing their opinions, while those who automatically bash you for having a different opinion are the real haters
@@iguanae2461 the vast majority of the time people can’t differentiate between the two. If you think some just dislikes everything a better word to use is cynic not “hater”
And what makes that particularly ironic is that kids are generally the last people who you can really expect to care what a critic thinks of what they choose to watch. They aren't going to care if they find it to be entertaining
As a member of a fandom that has come under scrutiny very recently for getting upset over a reboot of a "kid's show," this is a very refreshing video to watch. Yeah the target audience is for kids, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to voice our complaints over children's media that can and should be something more than just a glorified toy commercial. Kids deserve better than that, and I wish more people understood that.
@@thegoodmudkip3652 Really? That whole franchise is trash and for babies. That'd be like whining about a Bernstein bears, Franklin or Little Bear reboot. You're not whining about a kid show. You're whining about a toddler show.
@@buster3041 maybe I’m just blinded by nostalgia as I watched the show a lot as a kid but I feel the model version of Thomas was made with more heart and purpose than just as a baby show. When it became animated it was definitely a toddler show though I can agree with that
As an animator and someone who enjoys animated media, I can't tell you enough how much it infuriates me that I'm told I cant enjoy animated content, because it's just deemed as something only kids can enjoy. That, and that I also can't critic animated media because I'm an adult. Animation is a beautiful medium that isn't bound in any way to reality, you can create whatever you want, virtually anything, that's why I believe it's the perfect medium for entertainment honestly. To lock a piece of media as something only for one demographic, and void it of all criticism, I think it's just absurd. I also find the 2D vs 3D animation bias from studios frustrating at times, that 2D is too toony and only 3D is good because its 'more realistic'. Too many studios now don't even touch 2D animation with a 10 foot pole because it doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences 'because it's not realistic enough'. Idk, just something I've noted myself. Fantastic vid Cell, certainly got me thinking!
I hate that many animation studios rely so heavily in 3D. It's not bad per se, but it limits the creativity and personal style of the creator. So many of the 3D movies look same-y for that reason.
There are a couple different kinds of 2D animation, done on computer or done at least partially by hand. The strictly computer stuff tends to be made using models and the cheaper ones can end up looking like Flash animations. It's gotten more complex though. And traditional animation is much less common because of the time and cost involved. Meanwhile, since it's relatively cheap to animate in 3D that's what most films targeted at children go to, especially pre-school programs and mockbusters. As a result, I think the audience's perception of 2D vs 3D is actually the opposite of the studios'. 2D is artistic while 3D is bland and cartoony.
That’s basically the same thing video games went through a while ago. People were expected to “grow” out of video games after they leave high school and become adults. That’s obviously changed, and I believe animation is heading that way as the people who are adults now are people who still enjoy animated content. Though, of course there will be exceptions and people who haven’t changed their opinion.
@@CrazyHand7894 What I hate about is the part where people in the animation community wished that CGI should be dead for overshadowing 2D animation. For what? I don't blame 3D animation for being heavily relied by studios since there's Pixars or DreamWorks but I think this is just a foolish move. There is movie called "Earwig and the Witch" was actually a Ghibli movie that was done in CGI. I haven't watched the film but as what I saw the trailers, the 3D animation is flawed due to the lack of texturing and lighting (compared that to Lupin The Third film), but the fact that people (who wanted the animation to be more mature and complex like what anime can do) called the CGI Ghibli animation as "RUclips kids animation" has to be the most ironically immature criticism I've ever heard. Not to mention that they even insulted Hayao Miyazaki's son for the failure of the flick which honestly, he doesn't deserve the hate he gets, no matter how he tried to impress his father. The comment section of the Earwig trailer is just sour and salty which it's painful to watch.
Some studios have put a lot of time and effort into refining cgi, the problem is that those studios are far and few between, it's almost impossible to find a studio that doesn't incorporate come form of cgi and is strictly 2d whether it be backrounds or the most horrid thing, character models, some can pull off 3d animation quite well, most can not pull of a full 3d show well, if you need a reason and example for the use of 3d is time, for example violet evergarden is mainly drawn in 2d but the some objects are cg yet are done well enough to not notice when watching, for example the type writer that's so heavily featured is always 3d/cg because to hand draw the thing took almost a month to keyframe, if you need an example of it's only hand drawn variation just look at violet evergardens first cm, those first few seconds took a month to keyframe
"The reason I dislike these so much is that they are often a form anti-intellectualism... It is part of the process of denying art the capacity for meaning." - Dan Olson Kids aren't stupid, they're just not knowledgeable. They don't know things, but they are masters of learning. So to deny children's media meaning is to deny them a richer education; and it is to promote the very idea of decoding art in a trivial and impersonal manor.
Here's my simple, concise, theory for the ending question: "Psychological reaction to defend things we are attached to" -CellSpex in the Mulan Review, Paraphrased
Ha I got you know middle school science won’t let me down what you just said is a hypothesis not a theory. I finally used something from that class good night.
@@chachwa9970 I mean, they do have evidence to back it up. Many people defend things they love because they have grown up with them. People defend the DLARs despite the movies being just nostalgia cash grabs. I've seen many people defend certain games or elements of said games because they grew up with them. Heck, the whole term "Nostalgia bias", which generally is brought up when talking about games, stems from people preffering an older game to a newer one because they grew up with the old game.
@@petery6432 what? I wasn’t talking about that I was just talking about how he used the term theory incorrectly and I learned in my science class that what he used is a hypothesis and that is the only thing I’ve ever used.
@@petery6432 they don’t show any evidence and a theory is a widely acceptable hypothesis with factual data and other hypothesis to explain part of the natural world
I think there are two main reasons people get defensive on movies or other things they're fans of. Either they really tie their identity to it so much that any attack on it feels personal, or sometimes they've just invested so much money and time into a property they don't want to admit it's bad because than they'd feel dumb.
I think it has two sides: People criticize a bad thing well, and people get defensive, or, people criticize a good thing badly, and people also get defensive.
My take is that people don't enjoy the things that they like being talked negatively about, no matter what it is, partly because it makes them feel like their preference isn't valid in the eyes of others. Simply put, it doesn't feel good to hear someone say that something they like is bad, even if the person criticizing it is able to make a good point. People want to enjoy what they like, and as a result, are going to feel somewhat down when someone else talks negatively about it; I don't think it matters how much time and money they put into it or anything like that necessarily, they are going to feel like they are being put down for liking it.
The irony of you posting this video is I literally went on a rant about how people really underestimate the power of animation as a medium in my Lit of Film class. Ever since I was a kid, I always got judged for liking things considered to be very "childlike" or "You're too old for this!", especially when I used to express my love for Monster High or MLP. Just because something is animated, doesn't mean that it is made specifically for kids. Heck, sometimes animation is better to tell a story than live action is. Because you're able to push your limits and you're focused on the story, not the names attached to it, which is a big issue nowadays. Just, let people enjoy what they enjoy and to draw their own conclusions.
I think the reason why I get upset when people don't like what I love, is because I've built a personal connection to it, and it can feel like an attack. Especially when it's someone saying they don't like ATLA...
I finished the show in December and still trying to finish Legend of Korra. ATLA truly is an amazing show and is my favorite animated show in general. It covers so many deep topics most kids shows don't cover anymore like genocide, teens with psychological disorders like the dark triad which the character Azula displays, child abuse, war, etc. Legen of Korra is about how a country/world develops after a war and how it impacts the characters. Korra is clearly the opposite of Aang. Korra is tough and thus why she was able to master every element except airbending at age 4. But she eventually was able to do airbending and is an amazing different kind of Avatar.
@@LunaDuels I personally don’t like the show due to the ending feeling like a cop out and Katara after “The Southern Raiders” ep, but it’s cool y’all like it tho
This is what I felt when I suggested my older brother to play Undertale, since he's a fan of RPG's, especially the Final Fantasy series. So I thought he would love it! But he said he wasn't interested because of the artstyle after looking at the first 30 minutes of the game. Even though the whole point of Undertale is "screw graphics, let's make the story and characters great instead". And the game gets better as it progresses, and the first 30 minutes doesn't paint the whole picture.
I didn't know you were a kindergarten teacher! That's awesome! My answer to the question as to why we care: When people attack/criticise something we like, it feels like they're hurting a part of our identity. We get defensive when someone goes after our ego or worldview, so we fight back. But is that actually the case when someone is just critiquing something we happen to like? Are they really going after us and our interests? No. We forget that. But it can seem like that because when people make critique videos, it feels like they are saying the definitive truth, when they're really just sharing their opinion. I need to get better at this too and recognize that I can like something someone else doesn't like or views as bad. Plus, most critics (casual ones at least) would be understanding if you told them you liked something they didn't like, because, if they're a chill person, they recognize that their opinion is not the ultimatum! (I also need to work on that too; I sometimes think that I am the only person who can be right.) I loved writing my answer to that question. Seems I've got stuff to learn and grow upon!
Feeding kids nothing but completely mind numbing entertainment with no intellectual challenge what so ever is inhibiting to their cognitive development. And people who say "Its just for kids" are a great example of the effects that can have...
now that you mention it, i've noticed a bit of an overlap between people who think animation is "just for kids and kids don't need anything challenging" and parents who don't respect their children, being the type to think they're "to be seen and not heard" and whatnot
Parents who use a screen as a baby sitter have something important about life to learn. We are in an evolving society. We are not use to having these things and many important lessons of the past have been lost. But we will be the ones to start to change all that. It's gonna get worse before it gets better. Do not give up and be hopeless.
@@christopherb501 Boomers were stupid hippies who let society decay. They let society decay so bad elder abuse is now common and wide spread. Joker- "You get... ...you know the line.
When we like something, it's typically because it's touched something within us. Whether emotional or philosophical, making that connection inherently makes us want to defend it because, when someone disses the thing we love, it's as though they're dismissing that connection you made with it as though it really meant nothing. That's my view, at least.
no you're right man thats why there's so many people that are attached to things like comics and anime. they just connect people based on their stories and characters that all audiences can enjoy
@@1slayer959 btw Obi Wan Kenobi’s here you’ll find him where he says “Man, I love showing my kids Family Guy! They just love the inherent wholesomeness of animation”
What I've come to realize, as someone who is PASSIONATE about film studied it in college, has a degree literally titled "Creative Media and Film with an emphasis in Screenwriting and Production" is that...Film is subjective....And....here's the thing. There's 7 billion people on the planet. We're gonna have differing opinions on film. Film is amazing, it's wonderful, it's magical. It can bring us on an adventure with giant freaking robots, or scare the absolute CRAP out of us and keep us awake at night thinking "what's gonna happen at 3:07am?" it can take us on awesome dragon rides, through frozen tundra, abstract worlds, and heists and spy missions and dangerous quests to save the world. And sometimes, it can be absolute trash you and your friends rag on while playing a drinking game. And that's why I love film. For every Disney remake there's a _Pulp Fiction_ to match. For every _Smurfs_ there's a _Sonic_ or _Detective Pikachu_ to counter it. Film makes me excited for the future. It makes me think about the past. It makes me want to drink until I forget what I just saw. It all just depends on the person and the film they are watching. What constitutes as good, bad, classic status, or trash, is all opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. And more people need to realize that.
Exactly. It really irks me how people feel like they have to love or hate something just cuz it’s what the general consensus says. Everyone has different tastes and experiences when enjoying media, so there’s always gonna be a specific kind of film they’ll either like or not. Not everyone has to adore Back to the Future, and Avengers Endgame can be someone’s favorite movie of 2019. It’s all subjective anyway.
I think a big part of the problem is that the things you like become a part of your identity very quickly, and once that happens any criticism of it feels like it's criticizing you.
A problem i have with Schaffrillas Ratatouille video is that he said that the movie is for adults because the movie is dialogue, living life and business stuff. I watched that movie all the time as a kid, and i understood almost all of it. Granted, i have a better understanding of what it's all about as an adult, but a lot of animated movies are like this. A animated movie doesn't need to be exclusively about life and dialogue for adults to enjoy.
Well no, he sad that while kids can definitely enjoy it and understand some of the themes, it is, overall, a more adult oriented film. At least that's what I got from it.
i remember my mother telling me that even if these stories were written with kids in mind, adults are still writing them, so they may still have some insight into life beyond being a kid. it's also important for people to remember that the review as a medium can also be interpreted as a study of culture and kids movies are very much a part of culture.
"Kids will like anything" yeah, this is way too true. When I was a kid I liked every anamated or superhero movie. I liked shark tale, robots, shrek the third, cars 2 and all that stuff. The only movie I hated was the last Airbender. I'm pretty sure tla was the first fanbase I was ever a part of, so I would logically hate how they massacred the movie.
It's not that kids will like anything. It's that kids are either more ignorant about problematic elements or they're much more forgiving because of elements they enjoyed. There are things to like in all those animated films. There are morality tales like "be a good friend" (Cars 2), "don't be classist/genocidal" (Robots), and "Shrek tackles his internalized racism Part 3 + parenting styles". Other kids might just like a show because it's colorful, high energy full of their favorite music and doesn't require their full attention. Ya know, like an action flik.
The "It's made for kids" line is such a cop out. Imagine if you ordered a nice steak. Well seasoned, cooked to perfection, and for your kid they get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with barely any jelly or peanut butter on it. The kid complains and you call the waiter over and then you ask for the person who made it. If they said "Well it's made for kids so I really cannot criticize it", I would take my business elsewhere. Kids don't deserve less because they are kids, they deserve more. They are not idiots, just impressionable and ignorant and that is okay. Kids aren't supposed to know everything when they come out of the womb. If you cheapen a kid's experience on something, they are going to remember it down the line and it's probably gonna tick them off when they get older.
I think I take the messages portrayed in kids media so seriously because they taught me incredibly complex and interesting concepts as a kid. Even if I only understood it at a surface level, revisiting those old favorites as a teen encouraged me to dive deeper into those concepts. Such as ATLA's choice to present azula's downfall as a tragedy instead of a victory. Or seeing Katara confront the man who killed her father.
So i personally feel like why we do get defensive when random people don’t like what we like is honestly just well...we don’t want to feel like outcast or dumb. I know that sounds silly but well that was for me at least and well I now realize that Ridiculous I do sometimes feel that from time to time
I think this can be a problem when one person hates what everyone likes for different reasons: - They are entitled to their opinions just to insult others who like it (which it's pretty common for trolls). *Ex:* _"This one really succs, and you're succ too."_ - They doesn't like something because it's not a cup of tea. *Ex:* _"I don't like this stuff. Everyone likes it but that ain't for me."_
Don't know if this has anything to do with this, but I'm a Roblox fan, for example. I don't talk about this much at school because most people say "Roblox is a baby game" or some crap. But I've been in the community for a long thing and I guess I see the game differently from other people. My point is, if a big chunk of people dislike something but you're a big fan of it, it makes you scared to share that with people as they might make fun of you or even bully some people depending on what it is. You see it differently from others and more than just a silly game or a bad movie etc. But idk lol.
I somewhat agree with the mindset that when there are kids films criticized out there , they mainly get thrashed cause the critic in question feel like kids deserve better than what they're given in that product.
I think it matters to us about others opinions on things we like is because we are, at our cores, pack animals. The opinions of the community matters to us, and the internet lets us have a really, really big "pack" so when people talk trash about what we like, we feel bad because that's our "pack" and if they don't like it, we shouldn't either
I think we get defensive when someone attacks, or criticizes something we like, even if it was not that good, because we enjoyed it. As humans we want to give credit to people who made us feel good, if we think that a good movie is being trashed, we feel it is our duty to stand up for the studio, writers, animators, and the other people who work on movies because we feel they deserve credit for what entertained us for two hours. I dunno, just my take on it.
It’s because a lot of people (in fact most people to be honest) incorporate liking something as part of their identity, and when someone says “I don’t like that” people subconsciously take that as “I don’t like a part of what makes you you” which is like a direct assault to who we perceive we are.
For me it's a situation of personal insecurity. I grew up knowing nothing before the internet. I am also a person on the spectrum assigned female at birth. That combination makes it so that I try to mimic people I like to fit in better. It's not an exact science, but it helped me survive as a kid, so my brain latched onto it. Around the time I was in grade school, I discovered that there were certain "things" that were "universally hated" and that if I did not also hate it, that I am a bad person. Oddly enough, I didn't really embrace liking something because others liked it, but if the vast majority of people didn't like it, then neither did I. See Twilight or JB or honestly anything that teenage girls liked that were popular. I drew a line on how far I'd follow that as I got older, but the reflex never really left me. I see patterns now, things that rapidly become popular (especially if the demographic is teenage/preteen girls) are things that I try to avoid liking until the attention has been moved to something else. The reason for this is that I subconsciously base the value of things I like, as well as myself, on the opinion of other people. I have learned to be ready to defend anything I like or just have as a part of myself because if the general public doesn't like that, I have to have a reason for sticking with it, otherwise my opinion is invalid. Naturally, I don't like feeling invalid, I feel that quite enough already, so I do all this extra work and preparation in case I need to drop something I love or defend it from my insecurity depending on the reception of said thing. To remedy this, I started looking for critics that had similar tastes to me, so that at least I had someone else in my mind to back me up. This doesn't always work, but it gives me a bit more confidence. That's my experience, anyway.
Oh wow. You've just described my entire life. I'm an autistic woman (though I didn't know I was autistic until recently) and as a kid I also tended to jump on hating things just to try to fit in! I recently realized I don't make my own opinions a lot, I tend to find reviewers and people to tell me what I should be thinking or feeling. I've been trying to get myself out of that mindset and be okay with having my own opinions on things, but it's hard to break that habit!
I think we care about people not liking things we like is because we like them so much and we don't want to hear criticism. We can't always fully comprehend why other people might not like it and that's why we defend what we like. Just accepting that other people have different opinions doesn't always come as first nature
"You got to remember you are not really writing for children, you are writing for the mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers who have to read the stories aloud." The Reverand Wilbert Awdry, writer of the Thomas and Friends books that were later adapted for TV. Actually, the whole evolution of TTTE shows when "writing for kids/it's a kids show" becomes the main idea., just watch seasons 7-18 and how it differed from the first 5-6 seasons.
We care when someone doesn't like something we love because when we thoroughly love something we make it a part of ourselves, therefore when someone dislikes that thing we take it as if they dislike us, which harms us.
CellSpex is like the big sister or aunt that gives great advice sure you don't agree with her 100% of the time and sometimes you get annoyed but what she says will keep you out of trouble.
The older I get the more I realize most people have no idea what they actually like or want. There are two movies I often refer to as the greatest films ever made in the history of time and space, one is 'A Town Called Panic' and the other is the 1977 masterpiece, 'House' Now I realize House is not an animated film as such (although it does feature both stop motion and 2D animation in it) it proves my point. I once showed some folks House and Halloween, and these folks where laughing non-stop for the whole movie, yet they kept saying things like, 'This is so bad!', or 'Why are we watching this?' and I really wonder, how someone can laugh for the entire duration of a film and think it's bad? Like how dumb are human beings and how bad are they at understanding what they want. Most people are incapable of understanding what they enjoy. Critics really do bring a lot to the table and articulate why people like or hate films that many viewers can't express on there own.
I think the reason stems from one of the videos Nostalgia Critic made once upon a time when he said, there is a certain trust you build with some movies and tv shows. And riding off of that I think movies that you like are the equivalent of a very good friend that you made, and when someone steps in and criticizes them, you would probably go in the defense of your friend.
Animation can be for both kids and adults if done competently, this requires skilled animators and clever writers. But when their lazy you can tell. “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.”-CS Lewis
Captain Underpants is honestly one of my favorite movies, and it being a kids movie doesn’t negate any of the criticism of it. It doesn’t excuse any of the immature jokes, but it’s still enjoyable for other reasons than that. The “it isn’t for you” argument can be true, but often doesn’t defend a film from critiques. I really appreciate how this video went about the argument!
@@wizzem7890 I agree, but I don’t really think it works as an excuse for the people who disliked the movie because of it. Probably wasn’t the best example for me to use there, though. I’m glad you liked the movie too!
I respect your opinion and you have the right to feel the way you do, but I need to point out that you are saying that a movie called Captain UNDERPANTS had immature jokes in it. Which I feel is hilarious because the original books it's based on was nothing BUT immature jokes (especially about underwear). I feel like it's one of the few movies where immature jokes are MORE appropriate.
@@mallk238 thanks for being so kind about the response! I didn’t mind the jokes either, I just tried to find an example of a common criticism that others found about the movie. I’m happy that so many other people enjoyed the movie too!
I think the reason why some people get offended by someone talking trash or giving solid criticism over a film is that we think more people will listen to them rather than see why we'd like it, if that makes any sense.
I hate that people think it's okay for something to be poor quality because it is for kids. as Lindsey Ellis said in one of her videos, you wouldn't say that for anything else made for kids. you wouldn't say a car seat doesn't need to be good quality cause it's just for kids. Children's media helps mould their minds, why shouldn't we care about its quality? I was actually told on Facebook once that I was "demanding. regime that would raise a psychopath" just because I think kids should be exposed to good quality movies. They seemed to think I was saying like force kids to critique the movies or something. I was just saying encourage good taste. I wouldn't forbid kids from seeing a bad movie, I'd just sooner show them a good movie than a bad one. The argument started just because I said we should care about the quality of kids movies.
I think for the ending question, it really depends on how someone expresses that dislike. If you talk, for example, about a horror movie that you really like and someone expresses dislike for it because they just don't generally enjoy the genre or didn't like some aspects of the movie, then it's fine (based on my assumption that the "you" in this situation is mature enough to understand differing opinions, I guess lmao). However if someone is aggressive or dismissive about something you like and acts like you enjoying this movie says something negative about your personality, then it feels like an attack. Sometimes we are also just so used to getting attacked for, in I think many of our cases, liking animated movies, so when someone says something negative, many people will often think that the critic is talking badly about them and their interests. For me, for example, I like anime and have been liking it for a long time. But the people around me often criticise it from, what feels like, a place of ignorance, because they never really took the time to actually look at more than one anime. So I often hear "ugh, I don't like anime, the artstyle is so weird" (as if all anime look the same) or "only perverts watch that" (because, I admit, many popular anime have a problem with fanservice). So when I was younger, I immediately assumed that when someone says they dislike anime after I tell them that I like it, that they thought of me as some kind of weirdo because that's what happened before. *TL,DR:* People criticising things we like can feel like an attack on our character (which sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't), which feels bad.
It's also worth considering that most Cartoons, especially in Film are STILL made for kids; so people need to realize cartoon critics don't have a lot of options in regards to "Watching something for their age".
I think the most obvious answer is that a great many critics, professional and otherwise, have a habit of presenting their analyses as verifiable gospel fact instead of the opinion that it actually is and simultaneously asserting that they themselves have the authority to make that determination. And that kind of presentation feels, even if viewers don't realize it, like it is invalidating their own experience or feelings.
I think the reason people get defensive when they see someone else say they don’t like something that they like is because it feels like your sense of taste is taking a hit. If I say I like a movie and someone else says they didn’t I have to stop and ask myself: do I like a BAD movie? Is my taste actually garbage? I’ve experienced this many times. It can be easy to assume other people have better taste than me, so when they voice disliking something I enjoy, I usually feel the need to defend it, or at least qualify my praise. “No, Venom isn’t a perfect movie, I just really like the character.” Was I thinking that when I watched the movie? No, I loved it! But when other people say it’s bad, I feel the need to qualify my enjoyment to save face.
Yeah, this happened to me with the Snyder cut. I thought the movie is pretty good then critics online are bashing it. I genuinely thought that my taste are super bad for liking it even tho I know it's only their opinion not a fact.
on the question of why we care so much when someone says they don’t like what we like: at least for me, i love talking about or introducing things i like with other people. showing someone a movie or show, then having them fall in love with it is one of the best feelings i’ve experienced. i like knowing that i have someone to talk about that media with, to hype it up. i can make an avatar: the last airbender reference with my friends and because it came out on netflix last year, at least one of them will understand it and laugh. i love that feeling. i’m the only person i know in real life who’s REALLY into animation, especially movies from overseas. when someone says they don’t like a certain movie you love, i guess it’s sad because it’s something that you can’t bond over? unless you want the possibility of getting into a heated argument. i know it’s impossible for everyone to like everything, but i think we’re all looking for someone who have similar opinions like us because it’s an easier way to connect with each other. not that differing opinions on movies is the end of the world. i guess what i’m trying to say is that we want people to like the same stuff we like because, especially for movie fans, we want to have deep discussions about them. you can’t really do that when a person hasn’t seen the movie or overall isn’t as passionate as you are. or that we don’t want to feel “stupid” for being a fan of something that others are not.
Here’s an unpopular opinion: The Emoji movie isn’t as bad as people say it is, it’s still bad but it’s not the worst movie. And there is some moments I like
Years of dealing with bad faith criticisms towards things I like admittedly has left me pretty cynical to even the most benign of complaints, but I feel passionately enough about animation/video games/movies etc. that I still can't stress enough that criticism, when done well and directed and judged properly, is a GOOD thing.
I feel like you feel hurt when someone insults something you really like because if it's something that really hits home or something you really connect with it can feel like a personal attack, even though it pretty much never is this just seems to be how people respond. People use media as an escape tool and typically everyone has that one series that helped them get through a hard time. So when some rando attacks that, it just crushes your world. However we're moving past this "it's bad" without explanation to a more valid critics that I do enjoy listening to even if they are picking apart my favorite series. It's just neat to see how media is pierced for others.
Yeah. What is even worst is that people will call you a "fanboy" who for liking something they don't like which it's utterly disrespectful and downright unethical to a degree! That's because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you have the right to attack others. It happened a lot in the video game community (like GTA or Nintendo/SEGA) and the DC/Marvel/Star Wars community. In conclusion, perfection is a myth. Every creations (like a TV show or a movie) has flaws on their own and so does the community too.
About your question at the end, it's a concept that has existed in human history for a long time and has only been exaggerated thanks to the internet: Confirmation Bias. It's the idea that we like people agreeing with us. When someone says that they like something that we like, that gives us just a little kick of dopamine that gives us a good feeling; and also the fact that it means that we now have some common ground to discuss with that person. If someone says that something we like is bad, then we subconsciously interpret that as them insulting us, prompting a defensive response along the lines of "if you don't like it then don't watch it". Sorry if this got long-winded but I've heard this discussed before and I wanted to make this as thorough as possible. If anyone can describe this better than me or correct me feel free to.
I literally cringe when people say *this show is too sophisticated to be a children’s show* Like that’s literally the ideal children’s show, a show that they can learn lessons from and has rewatch ability Because I don’t see children watching Moana for it’s slap stick comedy, I see them watching it because they like the plot... When I was little I loved ratatouille, it seemed so different then most of the kid shoes I watched because it didn’t talk down to its viewers. But the biggest example of all is mr magorium's wonder emporium... It was goofy but you start to realize things like magorium doesn’t have another pair of shoes from his lifetime of free shoes. And a while after that. then he died and every character changed. Because they all relied on him. The wonder emporium was getting sold, but the characters started understanding why magorium ran a toy store for 200 years. Because of hope and joy. Some people really dislike the movie but I love it. It gave me my first crisis when I was younger...
I mostly agree, but there are some lines where a show doesn't seem targeted for children anymore. I regularly say that The Dragon Prince (one of my favorite shows) is "pretending to be a kids show", because it's rated 7+ but episode 3 or so has a main character trip over a corpse on the stairs while fleeing for his life from a political assassination that killed his father. That's pretty dang dark to show a 7-year-old haha. While I wouldn't bar one from watching it, and I personally love the dark complexity of the show, at times it seems like the creators forget about their target audience.
I remember ADORING Coraline as a kid and wishing there were more animated movies like it.. Lots of kids would love creepy animated movies idk why they think it would be too scary for kids
Many kids' cartoons were crap in the '80s but the kids' live action movies back then were fantastic and had a lot of balls. A movie like Top Gun was an all-ages PG movie made for the whole family (and some people would consider it a kids' movie) back in the day, for example, but nobody would think it would be a family film nowadays. From Star Wars to Indiana Jones to E.T. to Top Gun to Back to the Future, the '80s was the golden age for live action family films.
Honestly, my problem isn't people watching or liking bad movies. It's when people pay for and support things that they know are terrible. If you want to watch something you think is terrible, find a way to watch it as cheaply as possible and then buy afterwards to support them if you like it. I buy games I watch in Let's Plays for that reason.
Here are some great animated shows that teens can enjoy: 1. Avatar: The Last Airbender 2. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic 3. Amphibia 4. The Owl House 5. Big City Greens 6. She-Ra and the Princesses of Power 7. Ever After High 8. Miraculous Ladybug 9. DC Superhero Girls(2019 reboot) 10. Fairly Oddparents 11. Carmen Sandiego 12. Teen Titans Go I know Teen Titans Go is hated a lot but I see some teens like the show regardless of the constant hate.
I'mma say it's the old horrible problem teachers have to handle nowadays because of the previous generation teachers: "there can only be right and wrong. Therefore, when you're saying you're right about something I disagree with, you're saying I'm wrong." Or maybe, being a teacher, it's just that i have to deal with that quite a bit...
Honestly, I don't tend to care too much about what people think about stuff I enjoy. I will flat out admit that I love certain pieces of media that I know a lot of people don't have high opinions of (like most of, though not all, of the Disney live-action reboots), but I still enjoy them. The only thing that can sometimes get to me is when people try to make me feel bad for enjoying something. Because that feels a lot more personal than just someone not liking what I like.
I believe the reason we get so defensive about things we like is this certain type of bias that I have seen throughout all of the comment sections I have seen and have been apart of this fallacy. That our opinion is right no matter what, that's what it comes down too. This logical fallacy has lead itself to become the driving force of many issues like, not wanting to listen to criticism of things you enjoy because your mood (which you stated) or thought process is thrown off. Other ways this works is that we don't have a well thought out reason to why we like something and opt to just want to hear all the good things about the thing we like, not developing an analytical view of what we like and describing this preference we just feel, there's no thought put into this, just feelings really. So when someone attacks the thing we like we feel it as an attack on us ad thus want to defend it seriously. We usually ignore the part where they either say you can still like it despite its flaws or just in my opinion. To the people who like the thing, their opinion is fact and don't want to come to terms with the opposing preferences and would rather hear how it's all good and never bad. So it is not that we don't just like it when the thing we like is turned down by a friend or someone we know, it is felt like an attack onto ourselves as we see it as fact rather than the flimsy opinions they are. (also anonymity might also help...)
Why do we get so mad when people dont like something we like? self affirmation, the notion the question that if others dont like what I like puts to question my intellectual or artistic knowledge. That maybe I am dumber for liking something others dont, not as smart as I thought I was but also its because we want to belong, and if others dislike something I like I am cast out, not in the group.
I think that one reason so many people, myself included, can get defensive about movies online (or in person) is that if someone calls something they really like garbage, they by extension mean that their taste in entertainment is garbage. This is exaggerated when people say things like "anyone who likes this show is childish/has no taste." Sometimes there is also an emotional attachment to a particular work, and that can really fire up emotions when that work is criticized. I see this most often in anime communities, but I think it's an issue everywhere. Basically, everyone is going to like different things often because they prioritize different aspects of a movie or show. If a show comes along that really hits all the things you love, it may become a favorite, but if someone who appreciates a different set of things, they may really dislike it. I, for example, tend to prioritize likeable or, at the very least, relatable characters along with a strong soundtrack over an intricate plotline, overarching ideas, or animation quality (though I still notice when these things are bad enough). Someone who really values a strong plot with interesting ideas or social commentary would probably find some of my favorite works of art dull or uninspired, and vice versa. Ultimately, just watch what you like, and accept that not everyone is going to love it the same way you do (though it certainly is nice when you find someone who does).
This just reminds me of what I say to people who hate on anime, who don't understand it. Anime can be any story, they're not all over the top and weird. Anime is just a MEDIUM which tells nothing about what it entails or contains.
Yea I usually say stuff like " I hate anime" joking despite me being a advid anime watcher. Usually in response of tropes that are mostly found in anime like pervert characters.
Something tells me that some of that anime hate has more to do with a certain segment of its fanbase and less with the anime itself. You know, the type that gets too into a particular title and think it's the greatest thing ever.
@@lyonsin2535 The tropes are kinda what kills my interest in more than a few anime series. One-off anime movies are usually pretty good but I usually like to do a bit of research before diving into a series that makes me want to bail after only a few episodes if certain tropes become the norm.
Ikr? This reminds me of a BuzzFeed video that kind of infuriates me where they made some newcomers react to anime for their first time. They only had them react to shows like AOT and Kill La Kill. You know, the ones that going to perpetrate a stigma about anime being all perversion, hyper violence, and over the top as their first bad impressions. 🤦Anime is not a genre either. There are many diverse genres and target demos to be found with this medium too. It may not be just for kids, but it's also not all weird, edgy, or hentai stuff either.
I feel like part of this problem is that SOME youtube critics have titles like "why blank movie doesn't work" or "the problem with blank movie" which can immediately turn some people off. Like okay well why even bother watching this video it's just going to be hating all over this movie I like. But some people will watch those movies just to yell in the comment section how wrong that person is.
I feel like when you really enjoy and love something, you connect with it on a deep level. It's important to you, and whenever someone else "attacks" it, you feel personally attacked as well. Expressing what you enjoy and what matters to you takes a certain amount of vulnerability, and when we express ourselves through forms of media we like we want others to like it too. Liking the same thing connects people who may live different lives but have the same interests and beliefs.
I think there's a few reasons why people get defensive. One, they're the type that "likes" kids movies in a very surface level way; they remember liking The Little Mermaid as a kid, and will plop their kids/niblings in front of it as a decent way to distract them for 90 minutes, but that's it. Movies aren't an art form to these people, and thus it's weird for them to hear anyone take an analytical approach to it. Two, they like the material in question and feel threatened by the critique. There's a handful of less-popular Disney movies that are very dear to my heart, but they always seem to get ripped into... I do get a little hurt by it, because if somebody is saying it's "boring" or "it's for babies", then what are they saying about my taste? Third, I think some people feel threatened by the deeper messages that the analytic is bringing up. Where "shut up it's just a kids movie" is really code for "I don't agree with the message, you're ruining this movie for me with your SJW talk". They don't want to think of movies as political, and they don't want to be challenged by those messages, so instead they pretend that they don't exist and act like analytics are crazy for bringing it up.
When I was about 7-9, I had one of those fill-in journals with prompts, that had a page where you could fill in the blank for your favorite ____. It had spaces for things like your favorite color, food, animal, and yes... favorite movie. I nearly wore an eraser hole through the "movie" space because I would change it every time I saw a new movie. Every movie I saw became my new favorite. Movies I specifically remember changing it to were Ferngully, Rookie of the Year, Free Willy, and those were just a few. None of those movies are what I'd call "good" now, but for a short while they were my "favorite movie." All this to say, you're really on point about kids being less discerning. And I think it's okay that they are.
For me personally, when I see people hate something I like, it makes me feel out of place in their conversation. A lot of the things I like (Steven Universe, Hamilton, The Last Jedi, etc.) tend to have very large hatedoms and because of that, I'm so used to hearing negative feedback I feel I want to have a break from it to be able to enjoy it. I understand that people can and will have the right to voice their opinions on those things when most of the discourse seems incredibly overblown and hyperbolic, it makes it more and more difficult to constantly hear the same opinions over and over. For me and my taste, it's incredibly isolating and because of that, I wonder if I'm the problem, and wonder if I'm making that art worse because of it. These are my personal experiences that I've gone through at least.
Love SU and TLJ aswell :D I haven't actually seen Hamilton yet, but I didn't know it had a "hatedom", I've People seen people who love it and make animatics to the songs.
I don't think I have a problem with people saying they don't like something I like. My problem lies with people saying "that"s bad", impliying I shouldn't or can't like it because it is objectively bad.
I know this is late, but I think a part of the defensiveness people have towards negative criticism stems from an insecurity in one's personal taste. If someone really likes a movie and some critic puts up a negative review for it, by virtue of the fact that they have popularity as a critic, they are deemed to have some level of legitimacy, and with that comes the assumption that they have good taste. Therefore, a negative review is perceived not only as a critique of the film, but also a critique of an individual's tastes, as if being told that their opinion is unintelligent/uninformed. People feel the need to justify to others and to themselves that they have good taste, and this trend is exacerbated as one grows older and begins to notice general trends in what audiences and/or critics respond well to.
You asked: Why someone gets angry when others said that they don't like a movie he does. The answer is simple: People feel attached to what they really like and are afraid to be in the minority. When someone likes something (either movies or games), he wants it to get praised, like a parent who wants his son to succeed. If he sees differently, he becomes defensive in the hopes to turn the tides in his favor. I myself feel super sad when people trash movies I like, but only when I think their arguement are unfounded. For example: I like Frozen 2 and I get angry when people say that Arendelle should've been destroyed for the sake of "being more dramatic" and "having consequences", because people missed the part where the Arendellians were brought to the forest because of the spirits, when the spirits could've broken the dam by themselves all along, but purposely decided not to in an attempt to give the Arendellians a chance to redeem themselves (and saving their town as a reward). We want movies we like to get all the positive acclaims in the world and when others interrupt our will we call upon a war.
Facts.That is exactly how I felt when I showed my friend avatar the last airbender for the first time a few months back. Once we finished the series and asked them what they thought, they said it "okay". Not bad or terrible just ok. Which, while disheartening cause I really enjoy this show, I completely respected their opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions.
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah, but I wouldn't have been so hurt by another saying he doesn't like Avatar TLA because this show is regarded as one of the best animated shows ever. Few people saying it's OK doesn't matter much. The reason why I feel the need to be defensive towards things I like is because the negative reception towards them seems like the majority, which makes me feel bad for liking those as much as I do. It makes me feel like a wierdo with the worst taste. If someone said he doesn't like Infinity War than I don't give a sh*t, but if someone said he doesn't like Frozen 2 than I become more irritated since that movie has a large negative discourse (especially if their arguements are so unfounded and so easily counterable).
@@roiitzkovich4545 for me I just get sick of newer movies and shoes getting so much hate and not being like "what we use to watch". I use to be that way for the longest until I watched ducktales 2017, a reboot that was surprisingly good and completely changed my perspective: if this modern show is great and their must be others that are great as well. Now, I try to give newer shows a chance before judging it and since then I've been basking in Disney's animated lineup as well Nick's new lineup as well.
Question answer: because human beings are emotional creatures at heart. We are easily influenced, and if something is trying to change an opinion we’ve harbored for years, or even months, it hurts us on an emotional level so we lash out at it. Just my two cents.
G stands for "general audience" that mean that anyone can watch it, it just has to be kid friendly. G movies are not designed for just kids, adults and teenagers are supposed to enjoy the too because they are part of general audiences
I always get extra mad whenever someone say that "is just a movie" or "is just a show", like, yeah, you can enjoy it without giving a single thought, but not everybody wants that, some people really like the idea of interacting with the mediums they're watching, and most of the times that form of interaction comes from analysis and critical thinking, why it should it be just mindless entertainment? it can be so much more and is already is, and most of the time you can see how the shows and movies are trying to do so and are failing at it, but because "is just to enjoy it" or "is just for kids" am I supposed to just not care about what is saying? bs
Kids are a lot smarter then most think, once they become a teen they start to have tastes in films, genres and medium and actually have opinions and can explain why
I'm a little late, but I have a few answers for your question at the end of why people care so much 1. Literally everyone will have a point in their lives when someone will at best make fun of them for enjoying something, or at worst get attacked for it, and maybe some people will get defensive of the things they like because they think something like that will happen again 2. Maybe some people with bad life experiences (or maybe just people in general) will find a lot of comfort in something and seeing and hearing people talk shit about it could potentially be hurtful or even triggering, even if it deserves the criticism 3. I'm autistic so I'll develop hyperfixations and special interests which I'll get overly attached to and believe me, us autistics can get pretty riled up when someone talks about how bad something we hyperfixate on is, especially since it's super common for non-autistics to make fun of us for our "obsessions" and sometimes make sure we know how bad our special interest is just because they think meltdowns are funny
I honestly think the reason why we care so much about what randos think about it is because we ourselves are so passionate about that topic, and don't want to feel invalidated and nonsensical for liking it. We don't want to be seen as lesser because we like stuff that's largely seen as "for kids." Not to mention the fact that we actually know stuff about the medium and how it isn't always for kids, and is just as valid and flexible as "more mature" forms of storytelling, so the idea of things NOT being that way sounds just as ridiculous and stupid to us as the contrary sounds as ridiculous and stupid to them, and we want to prove them wrong. At least that's my take on it.
I hate when people think that kids can just have dumb shit. The people saying it were probably raised on classic movies from disney etc, well made video games, the like. To turn around and let the next generation grow up on soulless garbage is hypocritical and pathetic.
A great recent example of great studios and critics not taking animation seriously: *Kimetsu no Yaiba: Mugen Train* not being accepted to compete at the Oscars even though it is the biggest box office in the history of Japan!
*Lesson of the Day:* Animation is a medium, not a genre. Animation can be used to any kinds of genre.
Great quote, even greater profile pic! 😁
LEARN. THIS. WELL. STUPID. PARENTS.
Animation is a tool, and studios are using it as a gimmick
Though something I will say, because it can be used for every genre, doesn't it should, Drama for a example isn't something you want animated, unless you're doing some funky stuff, or in the case of Bojack the writing works around the animation
Yes, but is KIDS animation a medium, a genre or just a target demographic?
i really hate it when the "its for kids" excuse stops adults from criticizing an awful movie -_-
Ask them: "Which Kids? What type of kids?" in response. They won't have a good answer for that
For example, a person who goes by the name ChamberOfReavers criticized Crimson Mayhem's tweets saying things like “you're too old for kids shows.” and “It's time for you to get a job now, little boy.” Like, shut up, dude. I'm sure he got some things wrong, but you're not much better. Anyone who makes a good response to Chamber's tweets, I will gravel at their feet.
Its the de facto answer to progress
"Stop demanding too much"
Didn't Nostalgia Critic use that excuse many a few times? "Oh, it's a kid's film. It's suppose to be like this"
ITS WORSE if it’s a kids film
Your kids film needs to be ENJOYED by
kiddies AND adults becuase if an adult can’t watch it why would they watch it in the first place
I hate the notion that kids should just let stuff slide. Like, the fuck? why do we think children deserve _less?_
They deserve more. These movies shape their mind and deserve to be criticized.
Yes!!!!
I completely agree, well-said.
well said chad lancer
@@isaaclewis8694 chad lancer vs the cringe illumination
You nailed the topic perfectly man, well done.
I once read a comment that said, "The grounds not deep but the soil is soft and I'm ready to dig."
We enjoy the things we like the way we want to.
I like this. This is a good comment. So is the comment you saw. This, I like
Sun Tzu said this probably
I can relate to that sentiment so much (I've watched so many iceberg videos, after all), and I'm gonna use that quote in the future.
Fun fact: I was early when I wrote this and didn't watching the actually video.
Maybe my brain is just slow but could you explain how that quote relates to the video? I’m just curious what you mean
“ It’s just a kids movie” kids deserve good things too!
Just because they are kids doesn’t mean they should have to watch crappy, plotless or poorly animated movies. Kids deserve to have thought put into their entertainment.
That's why the dialogue in Raya And The Last Dragon was so insulting.
Everyone just assumes kids are just mindless beings, and that’s not true. They’re people as well.
i agree with this me and my siblings (where kids by the way) criticizes the shows we like and challenge the plot and get angry or confused with the plot of the crappy movie
@@coquimapping8680 were not just mindless beings were developing beings please stop the "it's only for kids so don't criticize it"
@@569times9 I know. I also want to stop that.
“suitable for ages 7+” means a 7 year old can watch it without pissing their pants, not that the material is exclusively intended for them
Age ratings can be tools that right now not many people are taking advantage of. I wish more people could try and work smartly around the age ratings, allowing a more creative way to tell a story to the audience. I'm not explaining my point well enough, but I hope you can catch my drift.
@@hidinginyourcloset Yeah. That's like GTA is Rated M for Mature, yet kids can play it without having a problem to deal with inappropriate content while parents, moral guardians, and media watch dogs seemed to be paranoid about it.
The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance is rated 7+, and it manages to be genuinely dark and disturbing in places, while technically not showing anything that would be considered inappropriate for kids.
I once saw a Tweet observing that entertainment is the only product where people accept low quality because it's "just" for their kids. I think about that Tweet a lot.
Well its kind of interesting, because yeah, people can enjoy low quality stuff for many reasons. For example, "postmodern art" is basically just art that only sells at high pricetags, due purley to that high pricetag. I guess rich people have nothing better to spend thier money on so they buy literally garbage for shits and giggles.
Same applies to a lot of stuff including animation, people just like low quality stuff sometimes for one reason or another.
@@Yipper64 Also cheap stuff such as fast food for example can get funky with what they do. I don't care if a fine wine is better, if Mountain Dew is doing some funky shit I'm buying it
I just got reminded of every parent who thinks buying their kids musical toys is doing the kids any favours
I guess its the same people who talk to kids using "kiddie language"
To be fair I'll still defend Quest for Camelot for its creative designs and moments of genuinely cool animation. It had some great action scenes too. Overall it's low quality but by virtue of being animated theirs a lot of effort that can go in to particular details, so just in general I find low quality animation to have more hidden gems than low quality film
What about food? Simple mac n cheese. Chicken nuggets. Etc. Usualy really low quality.
Animation never has been just for kids. And that's a fact.
Like, what the hell happened to make people think that, you know, aside from Disney’s influence
@@alibrennan5977 Hannah-Barbera cartoons :/
@@alibrennan5977, Even then, Disney's cartoons back in the day were very not for kids
I never and will never understand that mindset. Animation is a medium, it's a way for talented artists and people with great ideas to express them in a more vivid and engaging way, in my opinion. Animation in movies, video games, etc, it doesn't mean it's for kids specifically. Just because it's rated G, PG, E, E10+ doesn't mean anything other than it's something everyone can comfortably get into. I don't love Disney, DreamWorks or Nintendo because their animation and artstyles are something I grew up with, I love them because what they taught and expressed was inspiring to me
@@alibrennan5977 I think it was the prevalence of cartoons, even from the old days, targeting families, while kids would be entertained a lot more. As that happened, people began thinking of animations that could be solely for kids and solely for adults. And it doesn't help that the media now would have the mindset of animation only being a target for kids simply because bright colors and cute art can keep their attention longer than live action shows
This is a sentiment that I've repeated ad nauseam but it needs to be said every time this type of topic is tackled. Walt Disney himself said "if you aim for just kids you're dead, adults are nothing but kids that are physically grown up." Just because something is family-friendly or kid oriented, doesn't mean it's kids exclusive. The preschool shows or movies being the exceptions of course.
To be fair, even that preschool bit is wrong... many child stories had darker twists to them. This taught them and gave something for both kids and adults to relate to. A message of the danger in the dark can be entertaining to an adult even.
When you treat kids as if they are stupid... the grow up to be stupid.
They need that extra help... because from day one you taught them it was always available and safe to fall back on.
Exactly! I hate when people call animated -particularly Disney movies - “kids’ movies”!
"if your aim is for just kids youre dead"
-a dead guy
While I don't want to stereotype, I always find it funny when the adults claim that bad animated kids shouldn't be criticized negatively because their "just for kids" and then go watch r rated comedy/action movies that are just as unintelligent if not worse than some kids content.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 my "preschool shows and movies being the exception" comment wasn't saying that they couldn't have darker or deeper things in them, it's more that those in particular are things that are heavily oriented towards *very* young kids, whereas what we call "kids movies" are movies that everyone of every age range should be able to enjoy, but are often said that they are for kids as a defense for why they are of lower quality. Sesame Street is actually a great example of this. Sesame Street very often will just be talking about a letter or counting to a certain number, but you will see some darker and heavier stuff that they talk about in that show as well. That said, I'd expect it to be more of the former than the latter due to how the shows generally work for that age demographic, and I wouldn't judge them as bad for doing that. Now if Sesame Street was nothing but Baby Shark then yes, that's bad, but generally shows and movies made for preschoolers aren't that bad. Emphasis on "generally".
Kids media deserve in depth analysis as much as anything else. If we want to teach kids about the world, we have to present them entertainment that doesn’t dumb them down but respects their curiosity.
Yeah what would you rather have your kids watch, fred the movie or zootopia?
This is why I love shows like Phineas and Ferb it never felt dumbed down it was enjoyable for about anyone regardless of maturity or age
@@bluesolace9052 yeah, fun fact about that show actually. The writers kept in a lot of jokes for adults and such and the producers said to not keep it in in case the kids don't get it. And the writers said "who cares if the kids don't get it". That's why the show is so good
My man uncle phil is spittin facts
@@brandonsaquariumsandterrar8985 I read that comment in his voice lmao
I like Pixar, because they acknowledge that parents will be watching the movies with their kids, so they make it as enjoyable for them as they can without relying on innuendos and excessive pop culture references.
Parents buy the movies and merchandise. If they enjoyed the movie they want to pass that enjoyment to their children.
Pretty sure Pixar does it the other way around.
@@adde9506 Yeah, they feel more like movies originally intended for Adults that just so happens to be appropriate and enjoyable for children.
@@adde9506 I think they've done it both ways.
“A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.”
-C.S. Lewis
To me quality is what matters, whether it's animation or live action. Whether it's made for children, adults, the family, or everyone. If the art has rich material worthy of praise then it will get praised. If it's overall bad and worthy of criticism then it will get criticized.
This is why Star Wars became a generational thing that was financially viable in the long run. Not a flawless trilogy but it had substance and a laid out plan so when original audiences grew up they could pass it on to their kids.
@@bluesolace9052 I agree, even when I was young I always thought Star Wars was the best example of something that appeals to and can be watched by everyone.
Cellspex puts haters in their place better than most of the world can survive
To be fair surviving in a none privileged area can be extremely difficult. While finding dumb arguments on the internet is extremely easy!
“Haters” is not a useful word it’s just used to insult people that disagree with you.
Cell Spex's personality is the hottest thing oml
@@nothisispatrick6528 Well, I feel like people that don’t agree with you shouldn’t be called haters because they’re just expressing their opinions, while those who automatically bash you for having a different opinion are the real haters
@@iguanae2461 the vast majority of the time people can’t differentiate between the two. If you think some just dislikes everything a better word to use is cynic not “hater”
"Lighten up and let the kids have fun" Ah yes, criticizing a movie magically stops all children from enjoying it, that's just common knowledge.
And what makes that particularly ironic is that kids are generally the last people who you can really expect to care what a critic thinks of what they choose to watch. They aren't going to care if they find it to be entertaining
my man Rohan speaking facts
@@matthewkuscienko4616 the critics didn’t stop me from watching Beverly Hills chewawa
As a member of a fandom that has come under scrutiny very recently for getting upset over a reboot of a "kid's show," this is a very refreshing video to watch. Yeah the target audience is for kids, but that doesn't mean we don't have the right to voice our complaints over children's media that can and should be something more than just a glorified toy commercial. Kids deserve better than that, and I wish more people understood that.
@@unicornlover1237 the Thomas reboot
@@thegoodmudkip3652 I don't blame you. OG Thomas was better. Heck I have a VHS tape of some of the episode featuring James and Thomas.
@@thegoodmudkip3652 Really? That whole franchise is trash and for babies.
That'd be like whining about a Bernstein bears, Franklin or Little Bear reboot.
You're not whining about a kid show. You're whining about a toddler show.
@@buster3041 maybe I’m just blinded by nostalgia as I watched the show a lot as a kid but I feel the model version of Thomas was made with more heart and purpose than just as a baby show. When it became animated it was definitely a toddler show though I can agree with that
@@metsfan7376 old thomas was made with kids and adults in mind according to the creator
Some members of my family can’t understand why I still love animation at the age of 15
I'm 25... I still love animation!!!
My entire family is the opposite. My mom, dad and siblings all love watching anime, and have got the past ten years.
I'm 31 and I care more about animation now than I ever did as a kid.
Show them Castlevania, hehe.
@@ameliedavis5940 Or Rick and morty
like the Simpsons said about older cartoons "They weren't good, they were just first"
And that's what Family Guy and South Park said about the Simpsons. :D
Like when the older generation claims old She-ra was better, lmao keep on dreaming
"Every show/movie has good parts
Execpt loud house, norm of the north and emoji movie etc. Frick them"
@@Mr.Tw1sty for the emoji movie I think there was only one good scene.
As an animator and someone who enjoys animated media, I can't tell you enough how much it infuriates me that I'm told I cant enjoy animated content, because it's just deemed as something only kids can enjoy. That, and that I also can't critic animated media because I'm an adult.
Animation is a beautiful medium that isn't bound in any way to reality, you can create whatever you want, virtually anything, that's why I believe it's the perfect medium for entertainment honestly. To lock a piece of media as something only for one demographic, and void it of all criticism, I think it's just absurd.
I also find the 2D vs 3D animation bias from studios frustrating at times, that 2D is too toony and only 3D is good because its 'more realistic'. Too many studios now don't even touch 2D animation with a 10 foot pole because it doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences 'because it's not realistic enough'. Idk, just something I've noted myself.
Fantastic vid Cell, certainly got me thinking!
I hate that many animation studios rely so heavily in 3D. It's not bad per se, but it limits the creativity and personal style of the creator. So many of the 3D movies look same-y for that reason.
There are a couple different kinds of 2D animation, done on computer or done at least partially by hand. The strictly computer stuff tends to be made using models and the cheaper ones can end up looking like Flash animations. It's gotten more complex though.
And traditional animation is much less common because of the time and cost involved.
Meanwhile, since it's relatively cheap to animate in 3D that's what most films targeted at children go to, especially pre-school programs and mockbusters.
As a result, I think the audience's perception of 2D vs 3D is actually the opposite of the studios'. 2D is artistic while 3D is bland and cartoony.
That’s basically the same thing video games went through a while ago. People were expected to “grow” out of video games after they leave high school and become adults. That’s obviously changed, and I believe animation is heading that way as the people who are adults now are people who still enjoy animated content. Though, of course there will be exceptions and people who haven’t changed their opinion.
@@CrazyHand7894 What I hate about is the part where people in the animation community wished that CGI should be dead for overshadowing 2D animation. For what? I don't blame 3D animation for being heavily relied by studios since there's Pixars or DreamWorks but I think this is just a foolish move.
There is movie called "Earwig and the Witch" was actually a Ghibli movie that was done in CGI. I haven't watched the film but as what I saw the trailers, the 3D animation is flawed due to the lack of texturing and lighting (compared that to Lupin The Third film), but the fact that people (who wanted the animation to be more mature and complex like what anime can do) called the CGI Ghibli animation as "RUclips kids animation" has to be the most ironically immature criticism I've ever heard. Not to mention that they even insulted Hayao Miyazaki's son for the failure of the flick which honestly, he doesn't deserve the hate he gets, no matter how he tried to impress his father. The comment section of the Earwig trailer is just sour and salty which it's painful to watch.
Some studios have put a lot of time and effort into refining cgi, the problem is that those studios are far and few between, it's almost impossible to find a studio that doesn't incorporate come form of cgi and is strictly 2d whether it be backrounds or the most horrid thing, character models, some can pull off 3d animation quite well, most can not pull of a full 3d show well, if you need a reason and example for the use of 3d is time, for example violet evergarden is mainly drawn in 2d but the some objects are cg yet are done well enough to not notice when watching, for example the type writer that's so heavily featured is always 3d/cg because to hand draw the thing took almost a month to keyframe, if you need an example of it's only hand drawn variation just look at violet evergardens first cm, those first few seconds took a month to keyframe
"The reason I dislike these so much is that they are often a form anti-intellectualism... It is part of the process of denying art the capacity for meaning." - Dan Olson
Kids aren't stupid, they're just not knowledgeable. They don't know things, but they are masters of learning. So to deny children's media meaning is to deny them a richer education; and it is to promote the very idea of decoding art in a trivial and impersonal manor.
Yah it just shuts down the conversation. Like when people say STOP THEORIZING IT’S JUST A CARTOON
Dan olson isn't a good person he wanted dislikes removed and he got his wish
Yeah but he has a point kids are smarter then you think heck when I was a kid I was pretty smart
@@PixelaGames2000 how ever most kids can't see twists coming lmao from Disney's logic
@@staringcorgi6475
Well I mean it’s not a child’s fault. Their brains aren’t as developed as an adult’s or teens’s...
Here's my simple, concise, theory for the ending question:
"Psychological reaction to defend things we are attached to"
-CellSpex in the Mulan Review, Paraphrased
Ha I got you know middle school science won’t let me down what you just said is a hypothesis not a theory. I finally used something from that class good night.
@@chachwa9970 I mean, they do have evidence to back it up. Many people defend things they love because they have grown up with them. People defend the DLARs despite the movies being just nostalgia cash grabs. I've seen many people defend certain games or elements of said games because they grew up with them. Heck, the whole term "Nostalgia bias", which generally is brought up when talking about games, stems from people preffering an older game to a newer one because they grew up with the old game.
@@petery6432 what? I wasn’t talking about that I was just talking about how he used the term theory incorrectly and I learned in my science class that what he used is a hypothesis and that is the only thing I’ve ever used.
@@petery6432 they don’t show any evidence and a theory is a widely acceptable hypothesis with factual data and other hypothesis to explain part of the natural world
I think there are two main reasons people get defensive on movies or other things they're fans of. Either they really tie their identity to it so much that any attack on it feels personal, or sometimes they've just invested so much money and time into a property they don't want to admit it's bad because than they'd feel dumb.
That latter comment gives me Yandere Simulator vibes.
@@eaglefan2569 I think that is called buyer's remorse. Could be wrong though.
I think it has two sides: People criticize a bad thing well, and people get defensive, or, people criticize a good thing badly, and people also get defensive.
My take is that people don't enjoy the things that they like being talked negatively about, no matter what it is, partly because it makes them feel like their preference isn't valid in the eyes of others. Simply put, it doesn't feel good to hear someone say that something they like is bad, even if the person criticizing it is able to make a good point. People want to enjoy what they like, and as a result, are going to feel somewhat down when someone else talks negatively about it; I don't think it matters how much time and money they put into it or anything like that necessarily, they are going to feel like they are being put down for liking it.
The irony of you posting this video is I literally went on a rant about how people really underestimate the power of animation as a medium in my Lit of Film class. Ever since I was a kid, I always got judged for liking things considered to be very "childlike" or "You're too old for this!", especially when I used to express my love for Monster High or MLP. Just because something is animated, doesn't mean that it is made specifically for kids. Heck, sometimes animation is better to tell a story than live action is. Because you're able to push your limits and you're focused on the story, not the names attached to it, which is a big issue nowadays. Just, let people enjoy what they enjoy and to draw their own conclusions.
I think the reason why I get upset when people don't like what I love, is because I've built a personal connection to it, and it can feel like an attack. Especially when it's someone saying they don't like ATLA...
There are no ATLA haters in Ba Sing Se
I finished the show in December and still trying to finish Legend of Korra. ATLA truly is an amazing show and is my favorite animated show in general. It covers so many deep topics most kids shows don't cover anymore like genocide, teens with psychological disorders like the dark triad which the character Azula displays, child abuse, war, etc. Legen of Korra is about how a country/world develops after a war and how it impacts the characters. Korra is clearly the opposite of Aang. Korra is tough and thus why she was able to master every element except airbending at age 4. But she eventually was able to do airbending and is an amazing different kind of Avatar.
@@LunaDuels I personally don’t like the show due to the ending feeling like a
cop out and Katara after “The Southern Raiders” ep, but it’s cool y’all like it tho
This is what I felt when I suggested my older brother to play Undertale, since he's a fan of RPG's, especially the Final Fantasy series. So I thought he would love it! But he said he wasn't interested because of the artstyle after looking at the first 30 minutes of the game. Even though the whole point of Undertale is "screw graphics, let's make the story and characters great instead". And the game gets better as it progresses, and the first 30 minutes doesn't paint the whole picture.
Yeah I can relate to this
I didn't know you were a kindergarten teacher! That's awesome!
My answer to the question as to why we care: When people attack/criticise something we like, it feels like they're hurting a part of our identity. We get defensive when someone goes after our ego or worldview, so we fight back. But is that actually the case when someone is just critiquing something we happen to like? Are they really going after us and our interests? No. We forget that. But it can seem like that because when people make critique videos, it feels like they are saying the definitive truth, when they're really just sharing their opinion. I need to get better at this too and recognize that I can like something someone else doesn't like or views as bad. Plus, most critics (casual ones at least) would be understanding if you told them you liked something they didn't like, because, if they're a chill person, they recognize that their opinion is not the ultimatum! (I also need to work on that too; I sometimes think that I am the only person who can be right.)
I loved writing my answer to that question. Seems I've got stuff to learn and grow upon!
I thought the same. I never knew she was a kindergarten teacher. It reminds me of my older cousin because she's one too.
Feeding kids nothing but completely mind numbing entertainment with no intellectual challenge what so ever is inhibiting to their cognitive development. And people who say "Its just for kids" are a great example of the effects that can have...
That's why I do not want my future kids to be watching movies like the ones Illumination puts out.
now that you mention it, i've noticed a bit of an overlap between people who think animation is "just for kids and kids don't need anything challenging" and parents who don't respect their children, being the type to think they're "to be seen and not heard" and whatnot
Says something of Boomers and what they grew up with, don't it...
Parents who use a screen as a baby sitter have something important about life to learn.
We are in an evolving society. We are not use to having these things and many important lessons of the past have been lost. But we will be the ones to start to change all that.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Do not give up and be hopeless.
@@christopherb501 Boomers were stupid hippies who let society decay. They let society decay so bad elder abuse is now common and wide spread.
Joker-
"You get...
...you know the line.
When we like something, it's typically because it's touched something within us. Whether emotional or philosophical, making that connection inherently makes us want to defend it because, when someone disses the thing we love, it's as though they're dismissing that connection you made with it as though it really meant nothing. That's my view, at least.
no you're right man thats why there's so many people that are attached to things like comics and anime. they just connect people based on their stories and characters that all audiences can enjoy
damn Wade, speaking facts
The it's just a kids film argument just translates to, I'm lazy and prefer to claim kids kids are lazy instead so I have the moral high ground
You underestimate my power
@@WakerOfTheSky don't try it
@@1slayer959 btw Obi Wan Kenobi’s here you’ll find him where he says
“Man, I love showing my kids Family Guy! They just love the inherent wholesomeness of animation”
What I've come to realize, as someone who is PASSIONATE about film studied it in college, has a degree literally titled "Creative Media and Film with an emphasis in Screenwriting and Production" is that...Film is subjective....And....here's the thing.
There's 7 billion people on the planet. We're gonna have differing opinions on film. Film is amazing, it's wonderful, it's magical. It can bring us on an adventure with giant freaking robots, or scare the absolute CRAP out of us and keep us awake at night thinking "what's gonna happen at 3:07am?" it can take us on awesome dragon rides, through frozen tundra, abstract worlds, and heists and spy missions and dangerous quests to save the world. And sometimes, it can be absolute trash you and your friends rag on while playing a drinking game. And that's why I love film. For every Disney remake there's a _Pulp Fiction_ to match. For every _Smurfs_ there's a _Sonic_ or _Detective Pikachu_ to counter it. Film makes me excited for the future. It makes me think about the past. It makes me want to drink until I forget what I just saw.
It all just depends on the person and the film they are watching. What constitutes as good, bad, classic status, or trash, is all opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. And more people need to realize that.
@Rania Assal Del Valle
for every Despicable Me squeal, there's a Megamind.
Exactly. It really irks me how people feel like they have to love or hate something just cuz it’s what the general consensus says. Everyone has different tastes and experiences when enjoying media, so there’s always gonna be a specific kind of film they’ll either like or not. Not everyone has to adore Back to the Future, and Avengers Endgame can be someone’s favorite movie of 2019. It’s all subjective anyway.
What would make humans different from any other species without are the ability to have differing(and hopefully) respectful opinion to conjugate
I think a big part of the problem is that the things you like become a part of your identity very quickly, and once that happens any criticism of it feels like it's criticizing you.
CellSpex is talking back against the haters in a video??? I'MMA CLICK THAT
A problem i have with Schaffrillas Ratatouille video is that he said that the movie is for adults because the movie is dialogue, living life and business stuff. I watched that movie all the time as a kid, and i understood almost all of it. Granted, i have a better understanding of what it's all about as an adult, but a lot of animated movies are like this. A animated movie doesn't need to be exclusively about life and dialogue for adults to enjoy.
Well no, he sad that while kids can definitely enjoy it and understand some of the themes, it is, overall, a more adult oriented film.
At least that's what I got from it.
Calling a film "adult" is very childish.
i remember my mother telling me that even if these stories were written with kids in mind, adults are still writing them, so they may still have some insight into life beyond being a kid. it's also important for people to remember that the review as a medium can also be interpreted as a study of culture and kids movies are very much a part of culture.
"Kids will like anything" yeah, this is way too true. When I was a kid I liked every anamated or superhero movie. I liked shark tale, robots, shrek the third, cars 2 and all that stuff. The only movie I hated was the last Airbender. I'm pretty sure tla was the first fanbase I was ever a part of, so I would logically hate how they massacred the movie.
There is no film in Ba Sing Se.
It's not that kids will like anything. It's that kids are either more ignorant about problematic elements or they're much more forgiving because of elements they enjoyed.
There are things to like in all those animated films. There are morality tales like "be a good friend" (Cars 2), "don't be classist/genocidal" (Robots), and "Shrek tackles his internalized racism Part 3 + parenting styles". Other kids might just like a show because it's colorful, high energy full of their favorite music and doesn't require their full attention. Ya know, like an action flik.
The "It's made for kids" line is such a cop out.
Imagine if you ordered a nice steak. Well seasoned, cooked to perfection, and for your kid they get a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with barely any jelly or peanut butter on it. The kid complains and you call the waiter over and then you ask for the person who made it. If they said "Well it's made for kids so I really cannot criticize it", I would take my business elsewhere.
Kids don't deserve less because they are kids, they deserve more. They are not idiots, just impressionable and ignorant and that is okay. Kids aren't supposed to know everything when they come out of the womb. If you cheapen a kid's experience on something, they are going to remember it down the line and it's probably gonna tick them off when they get older.
I think I take the messages portrayed in kids media so seriously because they taught me incredibly complex and interesting concepts as a kid. Even if I only understood it at a surface level, revisiting those old favorites as a teen encouraged me to dive deeper into those concepts. Such as ATLA's choice to present azula's downfall as a tragedy instead of a victory. Or seeing Katara confront the man who killed her father.
well ATLA was and it is a head of it's time.
So i personally feel like why we do get defensive when random people don’t like what we like is honestly just well...we don’t want to feel like outcast or dumb. I know that sounds silly but well that was for me at least and well I now realize that Ridiculous I do sometimes feel that from time to time
I think this can be a problem when one person hates what everyone likes for different reasons:
- They are entitled to their opinions just to insult others who like it (which it's pretty common for trolls). *Ex:* _"This one really succs, and you're succ too."_
- They doesn't like something because it's not a cup of tea. *Ex:* _"I don't like this stuff. Everyone likes it but that ain't for me."_
Don't know if this has anything to do with this, but I'm a Roblox fan, for example.
I don't talk about this much at school because most people say "Roblox is a baby game" or some crap. But I've been in the community for a long thing and I guess I see the game differently from other people.
My point is, if a big chunk of people dislike something but you're a big fan of it, it makes you scared to share that with people as they might make fun of you or even bully some people depending on what it is. You see it differently from others and more than just a silly game or a bad movie etc.
But idk lol.
I somewhat agree with the mindset that when there are kids films criticized out there , they mainly get thrashed cause the critic in question feel like kids deserve better than what they're given in that product.
Wouldn't you want to look back at media you loved as a kid and see it's as good or even better now that your adult
Kids should be able to like a movie and not be bullied
I think it matters to us about others opinions on things we like is because we are, at our cores, pack animals. The opinions of the community matters to us, and the internet lets us have a really, really big "pack" so when people talk trash about what we like, we feel bad because that's our "pack" and if they don't like it, we shouldn't either
I agree
What is your background picture?
@@nuggethere844 my pfp is the aroace flag, but I didn't put a picture in the bg of my "channel"
But people aren't "pack animals"?
@@Rosebrickwork It's probably an analogy.
I think we get defensive when someone attacks, or criticizes something we like, even if it was not that good, because we enjoyed it. As humans we want to give credit to people who made us feel good, if we think that a good movie is being trashed, we feel it is our duty to stand up for the studio, writers, animators, and the other people who work on movies because we feel they deserve credit for what entertained us for two hours. I dunno, just my take on it.
You and Schafrillas Productions have handled this subject excellently.
Me being a manchild so I'm practically incapable of having the "it's for kids" bias
being called a manchild is just an insult to be quite honest with you
It’s because a lot of people (in fact most people to be honest) incorporate liking something as part of their identity, and when someone says “I don’t like that” people subconsciously take that as “I don’t like a part of what makes you you” which is like a direct assault to who we perceive we are.
I hate the fact people say any animated film is for kids when it's very clearly not.
For me it's a situation of personal insecurity. I grew up knowing nothing before the internet. I am also a person on the spectrum assigned female at birth. That combination makes it so that I try to mimic people I like to fit in better. It's not an exact science, but it helped me survive as a kid, so my brain latched onto it.
Around the time I was in grade school, I discovered that there were certain "things" that were "universally hated" and that if I did not also hate it, that I am a bad person. Oddly enough, I didn't really embrace liking something because others liked it, but if the vast majority of people didn't like it, then neither did I. See Twilight or JB or honestly anything that teenage girls liked that were popular.
I drew a line on how far I'd follow that as I got older, but the reflex never really left me. I see patterns now, things that rapidly become popular (especially if the demographic is teenage/preteen girls) are things that I try to avoid liking until the attention has been moved to something else. The reason for this is that I subconsciously base the value of things I like, as well as myself, on the opinion of other people. I have learned to be ready to defend anything I like or just have as a part of myself because if the general public doesn't like that, I have to have a reason for sticking with it, otherwise my opinion is invalid.
Naturally, I don't like feeling invalid, I feel that quite enough already, so I do all this extra work and preparation in case I need to drop something I love or defend it from my insecurity depending on the reception of said thing.
To remedy this, I started looking for critics that had similar tastes to me, so that at least I had someone else in my mind to back me up. This doesn't always work, but it gives me a bit more confidence.
That's my experience, anyway.
Oh wow. You've just described my entire life. I'm an autistic woman (though I didn't know I was autistic until recently) and as a kid I also tended to jump on hating things just to try to fit in! I recently realized I don't make my own opinions a lot, I tend to find reviewers and people to tell me what I should be thinking or feeling. I've been trying to get myself out of that mindset and be okay with having my own opinions on things, but it's hard to break that habit!
Loved that Good Place reference, you always have taste!
I think we care about people not liking things we like is because we like them so much and we don't want to hear criticism. We can't always fully comprehend why other people might not like it and that's why we defend what we like. Just accepting that other people have different opinions doesn't always come as first nature
"You got to remember you are not really writing for children, you are writing for the mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers who have to read the stories aloud." The Reverand Wilbert Awdry, writer of the Thomas and Friends books that were later adapted for TV.
Actually, the whole evolution of TTTE shows when "writing for kids/it's a kids show" becomes the main idea., just watch seasons 7-18 and how it differed from the first 5-6 seasons.
We care when someone doesn't like something we love because when we thoroughly love something we make it a part of ourselves, therefore when someone dislikes that thing we take it as if they dislike us, which harms us.
Man, I love showing my kids Family Guy! They just love the inherent wholesomeness of animation!
"I don't make movies for children, I make movies for the child in all of us." -- Walt Disney
"It's not that deep, bro. Why are you digging so deep?"
That is LITERALLY the point of art. To analyze it and dig for a deeper meaning.
CellSpex is like the big sister or aunt that gives great advice sure you don't agree with her 100% of the time and sometimes you get annoyed but what she says will keep you out of trouble.
The older I get the more I realize most people have no idea what they actually like or want. There are two movies I often refer to as the greatest films ever made in the history of time and space, one is 'A Town Called Panic' and the other is the 1977 masterpiece, 'House'
Now I realize House is not an animated film as such (although it does feature both stop motion and 2D animation in it) it proves my point. I once showed some folks House and Halloween, and these folks where laughing non-stop for the whole movie, yet they kept saying things like, 'This is so bad!', or 'Why are we watching this?' and I really wonder, how someone can laugh for the entire duration of a film and think it's bad? Like how dumb are human beings and how bad are they at understanding what they want. Most people are incapable of understanding what they enjoy. Critics really do bring a lot to the table and articulate why people like or hate films that many viewers can't express on there own.
I think the reason stems from one of the videos Nostalgia Critic made once upon a time when he said, there is a certain trust you build with some movies and tv shows. And riding off of that I think movies that you like are the equivalent of a very good friend that you made, and when someone steps in and criticizes them, you would probably go in the defense of your friend.
yeah! That is a really good point! 👊🤜🤛👊
With the benefit of hindsight the nostalgia critic talking about trust is awfuly ironic.
Animation can be for both kids and adults if done competently, this requires skilled animators and clever writers. But when their lazy you can tell. “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest.”-CS Lewis
Captain Underpants is honestly one of my favorite movies, and it being a kids movie doesn’t negate any of the criticism of it. It doesn’t excuse any of the immature jokes, but it’s still enjoyable for other reasons than that.
The “it isn’t for you” argument can be true, but often doesn’t defend a film from critiques. I really appreciate how this video went about the argument!
I thought the immature jokes were the point.
@@wizzem7890 I agree, but I don’t really think it works as an excuse for the people who disliked the movie because of it. Probably wasn’t the best example for me to use there, though. I’m glad you liked the movie too!
I respect your opinion and you have the right to feel the way you do, but I need to point out that you are saying that a movie called Captain UNDERPANTS had immature jokes in it. Which I feel is hilarious because the original books it's based on was nothing BUT immature jokes (especially about underwear). I feel like it's one of the few movies where immature jokes are MORE appropriate.
@@mallk238 thanks for being so kind about the response! I didn’t mind the jokes either, I just tried to find an example of a common criticism that others found about the movie. I’m happy that so many other people enjoyed the movie too!
Fancy seeing you here
One of the reasons I love this channel is because Cellspex loves at both sides of the argument and not just one side.
I think the reason why some people get offended by someone talking trash or giving solid criticism over a film is that we think more people will listen to them rather than see why we'd like it, if that makes any sense.
I hate that people think it's okay for something to be poor quality because it is for kids. as Lindsey Ellis said in one of her videos, you wouldn't say that for anything else made for kids. you wouldn't say a car seat doesn't need to be good quality cause it's just for kids. Children's media helps mould their minds, why shouldn't we care about its quality? I was actually told on Facebook once that I was "demanding. regime that would raise a psychopath" just because I think kids should be exposed to good quality movies. They seemed to think I was saying like force kids to critique the movies or something. I was just saying encourage good taste. I wouldn't forbid kids from seeing a bad movie, I'd just sooner show them a good movie than a bad one. The argument started just because I said we should care about the quality of kids movies.
"It's just a movie. It's supposed to be fun."
I didn't know Schindler's List was supposed to be fun.
I think for the ending question, it really depends on how someone expresses that dislike. If you talk, for example, about a horror movie that you really like and someone expresses dislike for it because they just don't generally enjoy the genre or didn't like some aspects of the movie, then it's fine (based on my assumption that the "you" in this situation is mature enough to understand differing opinions, I guess lmao). However if someone is aggressive or dismissive about something you like and acts like you enjoying this movie says something negative about your personality, then it feels like an attack. Sometimes we are also just so used to getting attacked for, in I think many of our cases, liking animated movies, so when someone says something negative, many people will often think that the critic is talking badly about them and their interests. For me, for example, I like anime and have been liking it for a long time. But the people around me often criticise it from, what feels like, a place of ignorance, because they never really took the time to actually look at more than one anime. So I often hear "ugh, I don't like anime, the artstyle is so weird" (as if all anime look the same) or "only perverts watch that" (because, I admit, many popular anime have a problem with fanservice). So when I was younger, I immediately assumed that when someone says they dislike anime after I tell them that I like it, that they thought of me as some kind of weirdo because that's what happened before.
*TL,DR:* People criticising things we like can feel like an attack on our character (which sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't), which feels bad.
It's also worth considering that most Cartoons, especially in Film are STILL made for kids; so people need to realize cartoon critics don't have a lot of options in regards to "Watching something for their age".
you mean the boomer critics.
I think the most obvious answer is that a great many critics, professional and otherwise, have a habit of presenting their analyses as verifiable gospel fact instead of the opinion that it actually is and simultaneously asserting that they themselves have the authority to make that determination. And that kind of presentation feels, even if viewers don't realize it, like it is invalidating their own experience or feelings.
I think the reason people get defensive when they see someone else say they don’t like something that they like is because it feels like your sense of taste is taking a hit. If I say I like a movie and someone else says they didn’t I have to stop and ask myself: do I like a BAD movie? Is my taste actually garbage?
I’ve experienced this many times. It can be easy to assume other people have better taste than me, so when they voice disliking something I enjoy, I usually feel the need to defend it, or at least qualify my praise. “No, Venom isn’t a perfect movie, I just really like the character.” Was I thinking that when I watched the movie? No, I loved it! But when other people say it’s bad, I feel the need to qualify my enjoyment to save face.
Yeah, this happened to me with the Snyder cut. I thought the movie is pretty good then critics online are bashing it.
I genuinely thought that my taste are super bad for liking it even tho I know it's only their opinion not a fact.
on the question of why we care so much when someone says they don’t like what we like: at least for me, i love talking about or introducing things i like with other people. showing someone a movie or show, then having them fall in love with it is one of the best feelings i’ve experienced. i like knowing that i have someone to talk about that media with, to hype it up. i can make an avatar: the last airbender reference with my friends and because it came out on netflix last year, at least one of them will understand it and laugh. i love that feeling.
i’m the only person i know in real life who’s REALLY into animation, especially movies from overseas. when someone says they don’t like a certain movie you love, i guess it’s sad because it’s something that you can’t bond over? unless you want the possibility of getting into a heated argument. i know it’s impossible for everyone to like everything, but i think we’re all looking for someone who have similar opinions like us because it’s an easier way to connect with each other. not that differing opinions on movies is the end of the world.
i guess what i’m trying to say is that we want people to like the same stuff we like because, especially for movie fans, we want to have deep discussions about them. you can’t really do that when a person hasn’t seen the movie or overall isn’t as passionate as you are. or that we don’t want to feel “stupid” for being a fan of something that others are not.
Even though I want to hate it the emoji movie is my comfort movie•́ ‿ ,•̀
Here’s an unpopular opinion:
The Emoji movie isn’t as bad as people say it is, it’s still bad but it’s not the worst movie. And there is some moments I like
Years of dealing with bad faith criticisms towards things I like admittedly has left me pretty cynical to even the most benign of complaints, but I feel passionately enough about animation/video games/movies etc. that I still can't stress enough that criticism, when done well and directed and judged properly, is a GOOD thing.
I feel like you feel hurt when someone insults something you really like because if it's something that really hits home or something you really connect with it can feel like a personal attack, even though it pretty much never is this just seems to be how people respond. People use media as an escape tool and typically everyone has that one series that helped them get through a hard time. So when some rando attacks that, it just crushes your world. However we're moving past this "it's bad" without explanation to a more valid critics that I do enjoy listening to even if they are picking apart my favorite series. It's just neat to see how media is pierced for others.
Yeah. What is even worst is that people will call you a "fanboy" who for liking something they don't like which it's utterly disrespectful and downright unethical to a degree! That's because you have an opinion, doesn't mean you have the right to attack others. It happened a lot in the video game community (like GTA or Nintendo/SEGA) and the DC/Marvel/Star Wars community.
In conclusion, perfection is a myth. Every creations (like a TV show or a movie) has flaws on their own and so does the community too.
About your question at the end, it's a concept that has existed in human history for a long time and has only been exaggerated thanks to the internet: Confirmation Bias. It's the idea that we like people agreeing with us. When someone says that they like something that we like, that gives us just a little kick of dopamine that gives us a good feeling; and also the fact that it means that we now have some common ground to discuss with that person. If someone says that something we like is bad, then we subconsciously interpret that as them insulting us, prompting a defensive response along the lines of "if you don't like it then don't watch it".
Sorry if this got long-winded but I've heard this discussed before and I wanted to make this as thorough as possible.
If anyone can describe this better than me or correct me feel free to.
I literally cringe when people say
*this show is too sophisticated to be a children’s show*
Like that’s literally the ideal children’s show, a show that they can learn lessons from and has rewatch ability
Because I don’t see children watching Moana for it’s slap stick comedy, I see them watching it because they like the plot...
When I was little I loved ratatouille, it seemed so different then most of the kid shoes I watched because it didn’t talk down to its viewers.
But the biggest example of all is
mr magorium's wonder emporium...
It was goofy but you start to realize things like magorium doesn’t have another pair of shoes from his lifetime of free shoes. And a while after that. then he died and every character changed. Because they all relied on him. The wonder emporium was getting sold, but the characters started understanding why magorium ran a toy store for 200 years. Because of hope and joy.
Some people really dislike the movie but I love it.
It gave me my first crisis when I was younger...
I mostly agree, but there are some lines where a show doesn't seem targeted for children anymore. I regularly say that The Dragon Prince (one of my favorite shows) is "pretending to be a kids show", because it's rated 7+ but episode 3 or so has a main character trip over a corpse on the stairs while fleeing for his life from a political assassination that killed his father. That's pretty dang dark to show a 7-year-old haha. While I wouldn't bar one from watching it, and I personally love the dark complexity of the show, at times it seems like the creators forget about their target audience.
I remember ADORING Coraline as a kid and wishing there were more animated movies like it.. Lots of kids would love creepy animated movies idk why they think it would be too scary for kids
Many kids' cartoons were crap in the '80s but the kids' live action movies back then were fantastic and had a lot of balls.
A movie like Top Gun was an all-ages PG movie made for the whole family (and some people would consider it a kids' movie) back in the day, for example, but nobody would think it would be a family film nowadays.
From Star Wars to Indiana Jones to E.T. to Top Gun to Back to the Future, the '80s was the golden age for live action family films.
Honestly, my problem isn't people watching or liking bad movies. It's when people pay for and support things that they know are terrible. If you want to watch something you think is terrible, find a way to watch it as cheaply as possible and then buy afterwards to support them if you like it. I buy games I watch in Let's Plays for that reason.
There are way too many people out there who give kids a hard time over the things they like 😟
Here are some great animated shows that teens can enjoy:
1. Avatar: The Last Airbender
2. My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
3. Amphibia
4. The Owl House
5. Big City Greens
6. She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
7. Ever After High
8. Miraculous Ladybug
9. DC Superhero Girls(2019 reboot)
10. Fairly Oddparents
11. Carmen Sandiego
12. Teen Titans Go
I know Teen Titans Go is hated a lot but I see some teens like the show regardless of the constant hate.
I'mma say it's the old horrible problem teachers have to handle nowadays because of the previous generation teachers: "there can only be right and wrong. Therefore, when you're saying you're right about something I disagree with, you're saying I'm wrong."
Or maybe, being a teacher, it's just that i have to deal with that quite a bit...
As Walt Disney said:
"You're only dead if you aim for kids, besides adults are basically kids growing up"
Wrap your head around that
Fun fact: If you commented before me you didn't watch the whole video yet and yes that includes me
Fun fact: no one gives a shit
@@Stormfire1777 I know :)
@@floraeuphoria well as long as you know, that’s fine by me
@@Stormfire1777 Okie
Bold of you to assume I don’t use 2x speed for everything
Honestly, I don't tend to care too much about what people think about stuff I enjoy. I will flat out admit that I love certain pieces of media that I know a lot of people don't have high opinions of (like most of, though not all, of the Disney live-action reboots), but I still enjoy them. The only thing that can sometimes get to me is when people try to make me feel bad for enjoying something. Because that feels a lot more personal than just someone not liking what I like.
I believe the reason we get so defensive about things we like is this certain type of bias that I have seen throughout all of the comment sections I have seen and have been apart of this fallacy. That our opinion is right no matter what, that's what it comes down too.
This logical fallacy has lead itself to become the driving force of many issues like, not wanting to listen to criticism of things you enjoy because your mood (which you stated) or thought process is thrown off. Other ways this works is that we don't have a well thought out reason to why we like something and opt to just want to hear all the good things about the thing we like, not developing an analytical view of what we like and describing this preference we just feel, there's no thought put into this, just feelings really. So when someone attacks the thing we like we feel it as an attack on us ad thus want to defend it seriously. We usually ignore the part where they either say you can still like it despite its flaws or just in my opinion. To the people who like the thing, their opinion is fact and don't want to come to terms with the opposing preferences and would rather hear how it's all good and never bad.
So it is not that we don't just like it when the thing we like is turned down by a friend or someone we know, it is felt like an attack onto ourselves as we see it as fact rather than the flimsy opinions they are.
(also anonymity might also help...)
Why do we get so mad when people dont like something we like? self affirmation, the notion the question that if others dont like what I like puts to question my intellectual or artistic knowledge. That maybe I am dumber for liking something others dont, not as smart as I thought I was but also its because we want to belong, and if others dislike something I like I am cast out, not in the group.
I think that one reason so many people, myself included, can get defensive about movies online (or in person) is that if someone calls something they really like garbage, they by extension mean that their taste in entertainment is garbage. This is exaggerated when people say things like "anyone who likes this show is childish/has no taste." Sometimes there is also an emotional attachment to a particular work, and that can really fire up emotions when that work is criticized. I see this most often in anime communities, but I think it's an issue everywhere.
Basically, everyone is going to like different things often because they prioritize different aspects of a movie or show. If a show comes along that really hits all the things you love, it may become a favorite, but if someone who appreciates a different set of things, they may really dislike it. I, for example, tend to prioritize likeable or, at the very least, relatable characters along with a strong soundtrack over an intricate plotline, overarching ideas, or animation quality (though I still notice when these things are bad enough). Someone who really values a strong plot with interesting ideas or social commentary would probably find some of my favorite works of art dull or uninspired, and vice versa.
Ultimately, just watch what you like, and accept that not everyone is going to love it the same way you do (though it certainly is nice when you find someone who does).
This just reminds me of what I say to people who hate on anime, who don't understand it. Anime can be any story, they're not all over the top and weird. Anime is just a MEDIUM which tells nothing about what it entails or contains.
Yea I usually say stuff like " I hate anime" joking despite me being a advid anime watcher. Usually in response of tropes that are mostly found in anime like pervert characters.
Something tells me that some of that anime hate has more to do with a certain segment of its fanbase and less with the anime itself. You know, the type that gets too into a particular title and think it's the greatest thing ever.
Also, it's NOT ALL HENTAI FOR THE LOVE GOD
@@lyonsin2535 The tropes are kinda what kills my interest in more than a few anime series. One-off anime movies are usually pretty good but I usually like to do a bit of research before diving into a series that makes me want to bail after only a few episodes if certain tropes become the norm.
Ikr? This reminds me of a BuzzFeed video that kind of infuriates me where they made some newcomers react to anime for their first time. They only had them react to shows like AOT and Kill La Kill. You know, the ones that going to perpetrate a stigma about anime being all perversion, hyper violence, and over the top as their first bad impressions. 🤦Anime is not a genre either. There are many diverse genres and target demos to be found with this medium too. It may not be just for kids, but it's also not all weird, edgy, or hentai stuff either.
I feel like part of this problem is that SOME youtube critics have titles like "why blank movie doesn't work" or "the problem with blank movie" which can immediately turn some people off. Like okay well why even bother watching this video it's just going to be hating all over this movie I like. But some people will watch those movies just to yell in the comment section how wrong that person is.
I feel like when you really enjoy and love something, you connect with it on a deep level. It's important to you, and whenever someone else "attacks" it, you feel personally attacked as well. Expressing what you enjoy and what matters to you takes a certain amount of vulnerability, and when we express ourselves through forms of media we like we want others to like it too. Liking the same thing connects people who may live different lives but have the same interests and beliefs.
I think there's a few reasons why people get defensive.
One, they're the type that "likes" kids movies in a very surface level way; they remember liking The Little Mermaid as a kid, and will plop their kids/niblings in front of it as a decent way to distract them for 90 minutes, but that's it. Movies aren't an art form to these people, and thus it's weird for them to hear anyone take an analytical approach to it.
Two, they like the material in question and feel threatened by the critique. There's a handful of less-popular Disney movies that are very dear to my heart, but they always seem to get ripped into... I do get a little hurt by it, because if somebody is saying it's "boring" or "it's for babies", then what are they saying about my taste?
Third, I think some people feel threatened by the deeper messages that the analytic is bringing up. Where "shut up it's just a kids movie" is really code for "I don't agree with the message, you're ruining this movie for me with your SJW talk". They don't want to think of movies as political, and they don't want to be challenged by those messages, so instead they pretend that they don't exist and act like analytics are crazy for bringing it up.
THIS.
When I was about 7-9, I had one of those fill-in journals with prompts, that had a page where you could fill in the blank for your favorite ____. It had spaces for things like your favorite color, food, animal, and yes... favorite movie. I nearly wore an eraser hole through the "movie" space because I would change it every time I saw a new movie. Every movie I saw became my new favorite. Movies I specifically remember changing it to were Ferngully, Rookie of the Year, Free Willy, and those were just a few. None of those movies are what I'd call "good" now, but for a short while they were my "favorite movie." All this to say, you're really on point about kids being less discerning. And I think it's okay that they are.
For me personally, when I see people hate something I like, it makes me feel out of place in their conversation. A lot of the things I like (Steven Universe, Hamilton, The Last Jedi, etc.) tend to have very large hatedoms and because of that, I'm so used to hearing negative feedback I feel I want to have a break from it to be able to enjoy it. I understand that people can and will have the right to voice their opinions on those things when most of the discourse seems incredibly overblown and hyperbolic, it makes it more and more difficult to constantly hear the same opinions over and over. For me and my taste, it's incredibly isolating and because of that, I wonder if I'm the problem, and wonder if I'm making that art worse because of it. These are my personal experiences that I've gone through at least.
Love SU and TLJ aswell :D
I haven't actually seen Hamilton yet, but I didn't know it had a "hatedom", I've People seen people who love it and make animatics to the songs.
I don't think I have a problem with people saying they don't like something I like. My problem lies with people saying "that"s bad", impliying I shouldn't or can't like it because it is objectively bad.
I think this is a great topic to tackle as many people like myself like to dissect movies even if they're meant for "younger" audiences
I know this is late, but I think a part of the defensiveness people have towards negative criticism stems from an insecurity in one's personal taste. If someone really likes a movie and some critic puts up a negative review for it, by virtue of the fact that they have popularity as a critic, they are deemed to have some level of legitimacy, and with that comes the assumption that they have good taste. Therefore, a negative review is perceived not only as a critique of the film, but also a critique of an individual's tastes, as if being told that their opinion is unintelligent/uninformed. People feel the need to justify to others and to themselves that they have good taste, and this trend is exacerbated as one grows older and begins to notice general trends in what audiences and/or critics respond well to.
You asked: Why someone gets angry when others said that they don't like a movie he does.
The answer is simple: People feel attached to what they really like and are afraid to be in the minority.
When someone likes something (either movies or games), he wants it to get praised, like a parent who wants his son to succeed.
If he sees differently, he becomes defensive in the hopes to turn the tides in his favor.
I myself feel super sad when people trash movies I like, but only when I think their arguement are unfounded. For example: I like Frozen 2 and I get angry when people say that Arendelle should've been destroyed for the sake of "being more dramatic" and "having consequences", because people missed the part where the Arendellians were brought to the forest because of the spirits, when the spirits could've broken the dam by themselves all along, but purposely decided not to in an attempt to give the Arendellians a chance to redeem themselves (and saving their town as a reward).
We want movies we like to get all the positive acclaims in the world and when others interrupt our will we call upon a war.
Facts.That is exactly how I felt when I showed my friend avatar the last airbender for the first time a few months back. Once we finished the series and asked them what they thought, they said it "okay". Not bad or terrible just ok. Which, while disheartening cause I really enjoy this show, I completely respected their opinion. Everyone has their own tastes and opinions.
@@darwinbowman8512 Yeah, but I wouldn't have been so hurt by another saying he doesn't like Avatar TLA because this show is regarded as one of the best animated shows ever. Few people saying it's OK doesn't matter much.
The reason why I feel the need to be defensive towards things I like is because the negative reception towards them seems like the majority, which makes me feel bad for liking those as much as I do. It makes me feel like a wierdo with the worst taste. If someone said he doesn't like Infinity War than I don't give a sh*t, but if someone said he doesn't like Frozen 2 than I become more irritated since that movie has a large negative discourse (especially if their arguements are so unfounded and so easily counterable).
@@roiitzkovich4545 for me I just get sick of newer movies and shoes getting so much hate and not being like "what we use to watch". I use to be that way for the longest until I watched ducktales 2017, a reboot that was surprisingly good and completely changed my perspective: if this modern show is great and their must be others that are great as well. Now, I try to give newer shows a chance before judging it and since then I've been basking in Disney's animated lineup as well Nick's new lineup as well.
Question answer: because human beings are emotional creatures at heart. We are easily influenced, and if something is trying to change an opinion we’ve harbored for years, or even months, it hurts us on an emotional level so we lash out at it. Just my two cents.
G stands for "general audience" that mean that anyone can watch it, it just has to be kid friendly. G movies are not designed for just kids, adults and teenagers are supposed to enjoy the too because they are part of general audiences
I always get extra mad whenever someone say that "is just a movie" or "is just a show", like, yeah, you can enjoy it without giving a single thought, but not everybody wants that, some people really like the idea of interacting with the mediums they're watching, and most of the times that form of interaction comes from analysis and critical thinking, why it should it be just mindless entertainment? it can be so much more and is already is, and most of the time you can see how the shows and movies are trying to do so and are failing at it, but because "is just to enjoy it" or "is just for kids" am I supposed to just not care about what is saying? bs
Kids are a lot smarter then most think, once they become a teen they start to have tastes in films, genres and medium and actually have opinions and can explain why
I'm a little late, but I have a few answers for your question at the end of why people care so much
1. Literally everyone will have a point in their lives when someone will at best make fun of them for enjoying something, or at worst get attacked for it, and maybe some people will get defensive of the things they like because they think something like that will happen again
2. Maybe some people with bad life experiences (or maybe just people in general) will find a lot of comfort in something and seeing and hearing people talk shit about it could potentially be hurtful or even triggering, even if it deserves the criticism
3. I'm autistic so I'll develop hyperfixations and special interests which I'll get overly attached to and believe me, us autistics can get pretty riled up when someone talks about how bad something we hyperfixate on is, especially since it's super common for non-autistics to make fun of us for our "obsessions" and sometimes make sure we know how bad our special interest is just because they think meltdowns are funny
I honestly think the reason why we care so much about what randos think about it is because we ourselves are so passionate about that topic, and don't want to feel invalidated and nonsensical for liking it. We don't want to be seen as lesser because we like stuff that's largely seen as "for kids."
Not to mention the fact that we actually know stuff about the medium and how it isn't always for kids, and is just as valid and flexible as "more mature" forms of storytelling, so the idea of things NOT being that way sounds just as ridiculous and stupid to us as the contrary sounds as ridiculous and stupid to them, and we want to prove them wrong.
At least that's my take on it.
I hate when people think that kids can just have dumb shit. The people saying it were probably raised on classic movies from disney etc, well made video games, the like. To turn around and let the next generation grow up on soulless garbage is hypocritical and pathetic.
A great recent example of great studios and critics not taking animation seriously:
*Kimetsu no Yaiba: Mugen Train* not being accepted to compete at the Oscars even though it is the biggest box office in the history of Japan!
@Fox Leonke no I think it's more Hollywood doesn't take the genre seriously that's why they pass on the anime films in the nominations.