My Weird Beef with Soul Criticism
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This video's content falls under critical or film studies. Predominantly containing discussions, deliberations, examinations, essays and analyses of the thematic integrity of works of visual artistic expression by ways of some subpar comedy.
I remember having a conversation with a ten year-old and she talked briefly about "suicide", to which i then asked her, "how do you know about this?" and with the calmest face she told me "i'm ten, of course i know what suicide means."
They're not as dumb as we think they are.
Exactly, more people need to realize that kids can be more smart and mature than you think
Yeah, I knew what suicide meant when I was 8-9
I knew about suicide since I was 7
Finally someone said it, after the age of 8 I feel like we're much more smarter than whatever the hell people think
You'd have to be pretty dumb to think a 10 year old wouldn't know what suicide is...
By the way... HAS ANYONE NOTICED THAT REMY IS LITERALLY IN 'THE ZONE' WHEN HES COMBINING FOOD?!
YOOOO YOU’RE RIGHT
REME HAS A LINK to the soul realm!
@@ninjajack6457 😁😁
@@spooderman6312 YES!
OH MY GOD. NO HARD FEELINGS PIXAR THEORY, I THINK YOU HAVE A POINT NOW!
"Teachers aren't paid in child smiles, guys. You can't just compensate all of the other crap they go through just by constantly telling them how awesome they are".
I related on so many levels.
With that profile picture I doubt that child smiles are anywhere in your future lol.
@@goten3268 Children are but clay to be molded to The Emperor's will!
Being the daughter of a teacher, it's like parents expect teachers to always work--teachers aren't babysitters because you don't want to spend time with your kids.
@@autobee23My mother is also a teacher and I could not agree more. Teachers are being ever increasingly required to fill in roles they should not be doing, such as almost being counselors and listening to the student's problems. We have enough baggage on our minds as to be taking on that of others when it's not our responsibility in the first place.
The only reason I am not a teacher because I have a passion for it that I actively snuff out under blankets of reality. I love teaching and I love having people think and learn how to find information and all that. I was helping out my teachers since elementary school. In 6th grade I was tutoring kindergarteners.
But the fact that I could never support myself on that career physically puts me off. I need time for me too. Teaching is a full time job that consumes your waking moments. But if i had a wage that supported me through summer and i didnt have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet, I would totally be a teacher. I'm not into making myself miserable even for something I love.
Not even touching on the awful parents with the demon spawn.
It feels like the adults are trying to gatekeep this movie
Wdym?
@@fupoflapo2386 Basically, "you can't watch this till you're older". Which while true, they'll understand it a lot BETTER when they are older. But that doesn't mean they can't understand it NOW
Hey my three year old liked it. This movie has many different aspects to relate to though. I think parents sometimes focus on the wrong things. Why should we hold children back from something soul churning, when we (as a culture) often allow them to watch vapid, and painfully shallow content?
You hit it home
They dont understand that DARK THEMES can be put in children movie. To teach them about death, it happens, but there is also to live your life, and being happy. You wont know when youre dead, so dont wait for your life to start, start your life now. You dont need that big break to be the most amazing person, but you are amazing for being able to appreciate the little things
my ten-year-old brother understood the meaning of Soul better than some adults did
R/ThatHappened
@@lillyshooby4083 nope that could easily happen
r/Idon'tdoubtthataskidsaresmarterthantheyleton
I don't think it's a hard concept to understand there are kids who understands death and life meaning at 7
@@light9205 depending upon their environment, could be even earlier
It is very weird people actually say that it isn’t a kids movie, my brother who is 8 years old absolutely loved it.
It isnt a kids movie, its a company's movie :)
@@Amy-si8gq LMFAO
*Coco:* What if dead people had feelings
*Soul:* What if unborn people had feelings
More like: What if Black people had feelings?
Oh, boy. *prepares popcorn for when the anti-abortion folks come*
@@WildWestSamurai Hello! I have arrived
@@theimplications635 But they already do.
@Skyler Keck Hah rip
the fact that joe doesn't get a distinct ending is PERFECT for the movie. i absolutely fucking love it. the point is that, regardless of wether or not he was able to achieve his dreams, he was now able to enjoy his life day-by-day
I'm going to be honest. A lot of audiences are too dumb to get this and need to be spoon-fed a "proper" ending
My like made it to 420 likes
It would honestly be nice to have a concrete scene of the message of the ending Joe living out life, but I find it interesting that we already have a glimpse of that through little flashbacks of his life that didn't focus on Joe fixating on his career goal.
We can simply take those little scenes as a possibility that it is what one of the things Joe later did in his freetime away from the band. 🙂
I honestly didn’t like it but if anyone liked the ending I respect it
I mean that new Soul short is releasing on Disney+ today and IDK if that'll work like an epilogue or what but I mean it does sound like itd provide something past that ending. If not that then before the movie's beginning, idk.
Ironicaly Soul teaches that life is more simple than we tought.
Yeah. That maybe you don’t have a “true purpose”, but that’s okay, because “just existing” is already a good reason to live.
I realy like that, cause I feel like the audience goes in with the same mindset as Joe that life has some type of secret or grand meaning behind it, and it's easy to miss the real meaning in both life and the movie that just life itself is worth living. So I thought it was an interestingly simple, but sweet message.
@@veronicapiccinini7956 existing is NOT a good enough reason to live
@@pastelpessimist7250 Agreed. Also, a terrible message to teach anyone. Life has a purpose, otherwise God wouldn't have bothered breathing it into Adam.
@@pastelpessimist7250 why not?
“Everyone wants to believe they’re “chosen”. But if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we’d die waiting. And that’s why you need to choose yourself.”-Eda “The Owl Lady” Clawthorne
Edit: thanks for the likes. Go watch the Owl House on Disney plus. It’s funny, deep, emotional, relatable, and dark. (Ignore the homophobes saying it’s bad cuz they can’t handle two girls dancing together.)
She’s a wise woman, for being an outcast for reasons beyond her control.
I love “The misunderstood outcast” trope. Sooooo relatable!
I love The Owl House!
Veronica Piccinini She’s Edalyn freakin’ Clawthorne. The OWL LADY. Of COURSE she’s got some of that cryptic mentor wisdom in her.
And she is also my favourite TOH character because she is the living definition of Chaotic Neutral and I am HERE for it.
This reminds me of:
"Your destiny is already written."
"No, destiny is a book you write yourself."
Who the heck is eda clawthorn?
I think the reason why society spends so much time praising teachers is to help ignore the fact of them being underpaid and overworked. Even though teachers spend more time with the students then their own parents do...pretty saddening if you think about it too hard...
I'm actually going to be a teacher and that is very true. My hope is that things cna change where teachers are seen as essential workers and they deserve maybe as much as money as doctors or lawyers
Same with other "essential employees" since plenty of them are underpaid and underappreciated
Practically- you can't even spend time with them in a way...
When are people gonna stop acting like kids are idiots when they actually learn and understand things much better than adults do.
It's the internet
@@KhayJayArt it’s real life
I’m dumb
Thank you
THANK YOU! FREAKING THANK YOU! HOLY MOLY, I WASN'T SURE IF I WOULD FIND A COMMENT LIKE THIS, BUT THANK YOU SO, SO, SO MUCH! It really angers me when SOME/MOST adults do this, as it is harmful to kids and teens, since they would feel just so underestimated that they'd think no. one older than them would care for what they'd have to say.
okay it's comforting o know that i wasn't the only one with a huge existential crisis pounding at my skull at the age of 9 years old. i used to literally scare myself to the point where i couldn't sleep just thinking about what would happen after i died. then, in class, we read this book about this girl who gets cancer and dies and it's from a first person point of view and i was like 'oh, is that what it's like to die?? what is this 'light' that people are going to?' and it was t e r r i f y i n g for me. i would've found soul to be really interesting at that age. i feel like people just group all kids into the category of being dumb and unknowing and just so juvenile, but it's not really like that. when you're young you just feel mature and you want to be treated as such, because it's the oldest you've ever been and you know better than you used to. babying 8-12 year olds just frustrates them beyond anything.
Hey so this is late and probably annoying but, same. I was also experiencing an existential crisis at around that age. Did you ever feel this odd feeling of just emptiness in your chest after, that made you scared of sleeping? And yes to everything else you said.
Dude, *same.* I legit felt too terrified to sleep because 1) I could've totally died in my sleep at any point, doesn't help when your body feels "off" some nights 2) it seemed like death-lite, being unconscious and not having any awareness when I slip into it. This movie was very therapeutic for me.
"You don't need to be exceptional. Your life is worthwhile simply because you're alive"
More people need to hear this. Every day. Complete with a hug.
I’m happy that I’m not the only person who GOT the ending.
i love the ending, if they had explain what happens to Joe and 22 and all that, it would feel pointless and unnecessary. You can have an ambigous ending and debate what would happen to this characters, sometimes that's all you need.
Honestly was expecting something a lot more ambiguous based on what people were describing
The moment where 22 was in the "anxiety monster" I nearly cried.
I actually cried. On the airplane no less.
I never assumed that all of a character's problems were solved after a movie was over. I always assumed that current chapter of their lives had ended but that the story continued on, because that's how real life worked. So open-ended endings never phased me as long as the main problem was solved in a satisfactory way and the other issues were at least addressed. Rushed endings that struggle to tie everything up neatly are much more aggravating to me.
It still baffles me that people view a story's ending as a set-in-stone "and things were exactly this way for eternity."
Maybe I'm just really, really weird.
"No, you don't need to be exceptional. you are worthwhile just because you are alive."
Holy shit, I cry.
This is my three year old nieces current favorite movie. . . just saying.
Your niece has good taste already
@@gwan1714 I know right?!? She changes every week but she's been into some good movies.
*Soul is a movie*
That's true
Cant argue with that.
Fact
true
You know what, your not wrong my dude
I liked the ending because it left me that feeling of excitement and wonder of "starting over" but from a place of self-actualized peace. When I was younger the idea of quitting my job and not knowing what I'll do next paralyzed me and every perceived mistake felt life-shattering, but as I built my foundation of who I am and my appreciation for life grew, I feel a deep understanding that no matter what happens, I will be okay and find new 'meanings' and 'sparks' and the open ending really captured that feeling for me.
"It doesn't fart glitter in your face"
Thank the lord
Soul is my favorite Pixar movie because I think it’s the perfect example of a movie for everyone. Adults can relate with Joe’s story, while kids can learn from 22’s arc. The comedy is again a perfect example of something that can be enjoyed by everyone
You phrased everything I loved about this movie perfectly. I love the phrase “anti-chosen-one movie.”
I mostly like soul because of the 'lost soul' concept. seeing that being represented like that helped me understand the year long period of my life I have no detailed memory of. I didn't understand before
"Coming to terms with" of all things "the way you WANT TO LIVE TOUR LIFE" and not "have to live your life"
Can we please take a moment to appreciate how stunning the animation in this movie is?
yes the movie's animation is amazing
Remember what CGI used to look like? Like. Just compare Joe or Luca to Andy. We've come a long way.
@@josephdavis9234 Demon Andy
It feels like going in people wanted to hate this film and so found the smallest detail to complain about. Some people clearly have a undeserved vendetta against this film
Whats the matter this film?
There was an annoyingChristian in the comments section of the trailer getting mad at the movie so . . .
Yeah I actually really really liked this movie and, although I can find many flaws, that doesn't override ita message, exicution, or message.
Some people thought because the ending was a BLACK man giving His life up for a WHITE woman it was racist despite the fact that this point also makes the movie sexist but they’ll never say that. And a review of the film claiming it goes against god because no mention of god and “gay promotion” think I skipped the film at some point considering I don’t remember the film says “go gay kids!”
@@InsanityContainmentz oh my God. Reading both of those ridiculous reasons for not liking the film made my head hurtm
Doctor: Do you know what day it is?
22 in Joe's body: THIS IS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE!
Honestly, a mood.
My biggest "beef" with people talking about Soul is the misgendering of 22, Terry and The Jerrys. Although 22 is voiced by Tina Fey, they don't mention their gender. For most of the movie 22 is in a male presenting body. They don't have a gender. They are a soul.
As far as I can tell, 22 is referred to with she/her pronouns once in the movie, when she first gets her Earth pass. Of course that doesn’t mean she’s female, she is a genderless soul blob, but she is referred to with those pronouns.
You’re right about the Jerries and Terry though. I don’t think they’re ever referred to with gender specific pronouns and besides, trying to ascribe human gender to cosmic entities as old as the universe is probably pointless to begin with.
Why do you even care lol
The Jerrys did make a point that they're old cosmic entities presented in forms that our human comprehension can understand. Why not let it slide for convenience sake? They'd probably agree as it's a human concern.
@@jonathanbushay5235 Jonathan we get that you don’t care about pronouns because you don’t got to worry about stuff like that. But nobody cares my friend
@@ringer1324 that’s the thing they’re fictional characters what’s the point of guessing what pronouns they use
I loved Soul and everything, but i wish the Oscar went to Wolfwalkers this year (it's not gonna happen, but i can dream)
I’m crossing my fingers for that as well. Hey, it could happen.
Oscars judges wont even watch the thing lmfao /bitter
Since you mentioned wolfwalkers, I did actually get the week free trial souly to see it. Me and roommate even took advantage of that trial to play it on our t.v. So everyone in the house could see it and appreciate its awesomeness
THANK YOU. 👏👏👏 The “it’s not for kids” claim is messed up. It’s a universal message that anyone can relate to! I loved this movie and you said it perfectly!
apple tv+ really doesn't really have much to offer except for wolfwalkers. just use the free 7-day trial to check out that animated masterpiece.
Me too. Also Central Park
For All Mankind is pretty good.
Your analysis of the character 22 strikes me as odd. I never saw her that way, as someone who is insecure and has not accomplished anything. I saw 22 as genuinely intelligent and sophisticated. My interpretation is that she was such an old soul that had done the rounds so many times and had been let down by life continuously that she needed far more convincing that life is worth living. I see this same spirit in great artists and comedians like George Carlin who while extremely cynical about life has found his passion in the art of Comedy. Those who cannot cope with the mundanity of life are often driven to create new more exciting realities. 22 had a comedians soul
22 felt like an old soul to me too
Me and my dad saw Wolfwalkers in theaters and we loved it
Lucky, I don’t have Apple TV and we don’t have theaters we’re I’m at 😫
@@o_o5210 Dang man sorry I remember like a 3 year period where I didn't go to the movies and it wasn't very pleasant but in terms of apple TV maybe you should get it just to watch Wolfwalkers,Central Park,and Dickinson and then cancel it because I think it's like 6 or 7 bucks but I also did here it's getting a new snoopy cartoon
@@bizarrejelly_hkh8090 I just might, honestly I’m so curious what the hype is about
I didn't see it even when it came to my movie theather because school kept me busy. Is it really that good?
@@o_o5210 The animation and art is really good also the story is great too
It’s worth noting that the clip shown at 10:14 wasn’t actually of a traditional power fantasy, the narrative of that clip was that power fantasies and magic destinies aren’t a thing, and you should strive to find your own meaning in life rather than waiting for it to be given to you by a destiny.
Let me just say that as someone who hates the chosen one cliche (even when it’s used in good movies and shows), you’re deconstruction on it is pretty much the best explanation about this cliche’s faults. And using a clip from that episode of The Owl House was an amazing touch.
It's not just about life. It's about life and death and how they go together
memento mori : the movie
unus annus
@@thepersonnooneknows still miss it :(
Considering the entire film is based around a fantastical afterlife/ prelife, it's not that hard to suspend my disbelief when it comes to the small contrivances
When I watched it the ending actually left me so happy and satisfied and I thought it was the perfect choice. The reason is that I think it's... "mirroring" the viewer, for lack of a better word. Joe learns that there is more to life than one professional goal, to live every moment and value the small things. We as viewers are very likely trapped in the same mindset Joe has in the beginning of the movie, so we hopefully get to empathize with him and "live" that journey to learn the lesson as we watch the movie. It seems brilliant to me that Joe has a second chance to live again at the end because us viewers also have a chance to leave the movie and live our lives differently.
What i loved was that the main character did not get what he wanted. He loves music. He has translated that success as being adored. But he learns to love what he does. Work with what you have, not what you hope for. This is why i love Monsters University unlike most. I know it does betray the characters of Sully and Mike a little but i loved that the message in the movie was that you may not achieve your dream. That you can be okay at being okay. As long as you are doing something you love.
There are lots of people out their who waste their time on earth and not living the experience. People with depression could relate to 22 in the beginning because of how she described Earth and how living is useless but the more she starts focusing on the littlest stuff like the taste of pizza, the haircut conversation, the music in the subway and the fresh air is showing us that the littlest things have the most value to them so instead of being a pessimist, live out your life because it won’t always be there
Me and my dad watched this movie the day it came out. It’s an amazing movie and we both really enjoyed it. Definitely very meaningful for the both of us.
There was this story i once read about a middle-aged man whose told by the angel of death he has only one day left to live. The guy says I'm too young give me more time and such . Then death says that it wouldn't matter even if you had a thousand years of time cause you have not lived as long as even 1 day as it is written about you. Then the guy goes into an existential crisis and decides to enjoy his last day as much as he can by spending time with family carefully watching and examining nature and etc. When death comes to takes him he says i just realized that i have lived so little and have missed so many wonders of life. Being the joy at watching the leaves of a tree or spending quality time with those i loved. Truly my life was. Then death says short? Your story is written as the story of the man who has lived a thousand years.
I can't express how genuinely frustrated with not being able to watch Wolfwalkers. I don't have money to spare for a subscription, and it's honestly tragic lol.
I loved that the Jerry’s got one over terry.
I like the "you are worthwhile because you are alive" that you said
Head cannon: Joe joins Moonwind on Tuesdays
"you are worthwhile just because you are alive" fully made me cry just now thank you
THE SONG THATS USED IN THE TRAILER (OVERTURE) HAS A LOT FROM THIS OTHER SONG CALLED COME HANG OUT AND I CANT DESCRIBE HOW PERFECT THIS IS FOR THE MOVIE. THE LYRICS JUST FIT THE THEME SO WELL. ITS BY AJR CHECK IT OUT YALL.
i’m starting to think that animated movies are now made for the 2000’ kids that grew up and now are teenagers
I mean- frozen 2 is about discovering your true self without fearing it, soul is about living life at the fullest and enjoying every moment of it...
I can’t be the only one that noticed cmon
Also, as a teenager myself, I relate SO much to 22, and when they almost became a lost soul and we hear all the mentors saying all that stuff.. wow, it was so relatable. The current thought of having no purpose, being good at nothing... I think they really showed what every teenager goes through at one point in their life.
I really loved this movie, it’s the first one that ever taught me something. Although I already knew the sentence “enjoy every moment in life” or “you only have one life, why trow it away wasting time something you dont wanna do”, the movie convinced me even more to use it as a mantra.
i absolutely love this movie, they really did a great job
Totally agree, as like a 7-8 year old i literally had a hard time falling asleep because i was thinking about how the sun would expand and burn up the earth one day and it terrified me that everything i knew or even could potentially effect would be gone one day something like soul might have been really nice to see at that time
I’m just mad it didn’t get a theater release
"22 was obnoxious, bored and snarky, and trolled everyone she met", what's so weird about that? Makes sense to me.
Me
Especially since 22 is essentially a kid (unborn soul) who has been degrading countless times by pretty much every adult in her life (with exception of the Jerries). What happens to kids who grow in that kind of environment? They become obnoxious, bored, snarky, and troll everyone they meet.
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 Ohh, so THAT’S why they’re insufferable to be around! 😠
@@lotsofuwuenergy3983 That actually made sense especially I tend to notice it to some kids who had quite a problematic childhood and they got abandoned.
I watched a video where the poster was upset that this movie started a black man but when he died he turned into a blue blob and wasn't black any more.
First off. Official black man here. I have my card my papers my cirfitications it's all here you can check.
Ehem. Death don't stop no black man from being black cuz. Blue blob or not you black. Chill on that garboni my guy. The one good thing about being black in this day and age is that you can never stop being black. Get it? Got it? Good. Now where's my grape soda? Everyone loves grape soda.
The reason we dislike subscribing to a tonne of services is the same reason we dislike installing a dozen utilities on a good desktop computer: just because they are the best at doing a couple of things may seem reason enough to justify having them around, until you realize you keep spending resources on them to make use of them on what's not even a semi-regular basis.
My bizarre antagonism toward your weird beef with people’s criticism of Soul
Wolfwalker was in theaters here in Ireland both North and South
Apologies because I ramble and don't know how to write short comments.
I actually LIKE the fact that the ending is rather open. Agreed, if he just died that might have left a bit of an uneasy feeling to the story, but I also feel that showing what he decided to do, stick to the jazz gigs, be a teacher or, as my roommate and I debated, maybe both, would have soured it further, to be honest.
Another thing I wanted to mention, kids movies, GOOD kids movies, are also the ones that keep resonating with you as you get older. There's several movies (and specific scenes from said movies) that I realize made so much more sense as I got older and experienced those themes more. Even if a child doesn't get it right away, it's still better to have the conversation early so that WHEN they understand it, maybe it's easier to swallow and stick rather then having to completely digest it at the time.
I myself actually started to identify with 22 moreso than Joe, despite being an adult and having the life experience aspect. 22's story is about getting shoved in your face all the damn time that you need a purpose in life and being unable to find it, feeling like you've failed at life because you never found that ONE THING that you're meant to do and it's really fucking depressing! I actually had to pause the movie and just have a really good cry during the lost soul scene with 22's mentors berating her. The part of it that made me snap was when it pans to her and you realize SHE'S REPEATING IT. That's it's been a nagging voice in her head the entire time! That hit so hard for me as someone with really bad depression and anxiety, because often the way it manifests is that my inner thoughts take the turn of self deprecating, insulting, and just plain mean, often repeating the off-handed comments made by peers, parents, mentors, ect that just stuck in my head. It was jarring to see something I'd only vaguely been able to understand was going on in my head right there, on the screen, for the whole world to see.
Whether it becomes your favorite movie or not, this is an important movie and I feel very well done, despite the little things here and there that maybe weren't considered too deeply. This is definitely more a "family movie" as opposed to a kids movie because adults can enjoy and resonate with it too, which allows dialogue between adults and children about these topics and that's the biggest point to it. It's not an overly saturated, sugary sweet, happy tunes type movie, and that works.
i'm literally 15 years old and i bawled out watching this, i struggle so much with the stress of wanting to do something great with my life and being happy with who i am. this movie made me feel so understood.
I saw a youtube video about that animated thing at the beginning, I didn't think it was a whole thing...
I like soul cause it’s a Pixar film with Jazz in it. I like jazz. I also liked that they referenced some jazz musicians in pictures on the wall, and everyone else in the room with me didn’t know who they were. Makes me feel smart.
Terry's counting is important because it is Terry's passion.
Yes
period
great!!.... as long as you don't ask for a trophy ;D
Well said I like that
Terry’s job also IS counting
If something is off it MATTERS especially the fact someone CHEATED death. It is LIFE someone is playing with
The entire movie:
“Did you die?”
“Sadly, yes, I did. But I lived!”
Is that an ice age 3 quote?
@@irongirltoni Yes, yes it is.
Haha, people hate on Buck but he’s my favorite Ice age character
Ok but I've age 3 is actually so good
@@lexerwilliams8880 Wait, why?
It reminds me of the Monsters University lesson. That movie is all about going against the idea of “you can be anything if you try hard enough,” and is just a more realistic version of life. It tells you that you CANT be anything if you just try hard enough, but that’s okay. Finding your own path is important and awesome
Ayo wait didn't Mike scare those adults in the end had potential to be a great scarer
@@1times1 l think Mike just had to use a different scare tactic for him personally instead of completely relying on what he read in a book
@@1times1 It was Sully, Mike guided him.
@@blueberrylu5964 rewatched the movie yeah you right my bad
Giving up the idea of being anything you want doesn't mean giving up walking your own path...probably wouldn't have been such a screw up if I learned that as a kid.
I was so glad they did not glamourize teaching in this movie. As an educator, it is tiring to see movies do that over and over. It's amazing to see a student get passionate about the content or to find something to be passionate about. That being said, as emotionally fulfilling as those moments can be, the rest of the time is spent stressing out over lesson plans, paying my bills, and wondering if I am doing what I should be. When I watched Soul, I desperately hoped that Joe chose the band over the classroom in some vain hope that he could escape the economic hole that is teaching, but I truly believe that he chose to do both for the safety net it provided him to pursue his passions outside of the classroom.
I'm not even a full-on grown-up and I still heavily dislike students of my own age. I wouldn't even dream of being a teacher.
skeletalmixer101 as you grow older, you may find you see student age kids as just kids, you understand their ignorance to a degree and you may dislike them less : but thats just my two cents
I’m a teacher and I felt the frustrations he felt trying to inspire kids to love the subject I teach. My favorite scene is when Connie visits him because it reminds me that kids do have passion for certain things in school even if they say otherwise. All some of them want is affirmation that it is something to be passionate about.
It's a funny thing the movie doesn't even point out... Most musicians only do it part time and have a different part time job.
And well, being a music teacher is the most common one for obvious reasons. Lol.
So yeah, when you go to all of those small jazz bars and so on. The places where Joe seems to be playing. Those musicians will almost certainly have additional income. Lol.
I know... Because I am one of them! I am a musician and song writer as well and I work part time as a barista at a local private coffee shop too!
And it's something that works REALLY well for me, because in summer time where all my concerts are. There will be high school part timers taking vacation jobs.
And in autumn and winter I take a lot more hours while there are no one working vacation jobs... Cause it isn't vacation.
And then in December which is the busiest month for musicians like me. Well... Work is day time. All those christmas parties are in the evening.
It's a tough month, but that's okay. Because I get to rest January where NOTHING ever happens XD
So yeah... Most working musicians whom aren't big radio hollywood stars. We have sepperate jobs! It's very normal.
I think completely different. I’ve been so lucky to actually have good teachers unlike most people I have known, that they inspired me to be the good teacher in at least one kid’s life. I could worry about lesson plans and grading and whatnot but if I could at least be the change, or the push, or whatever is needed in one kid’s life, I’d be pretty happy. Yeah it’s stupid but, I’m pretty stupid so yeah
If Joe dies we dont get the funniest joke in the movie
exactly 😂
which is?
@@mlp_snowdrop its the joke where Terry notices their count is off, and Jerry says "OH WOW TERRY LOOK ITS THE MOST AMAZING THING EVER" to distract her, and then subtly moves her count back. Then Jerry's just "oh nevermind" and leaves, confusing Terry.
Dash that and the cat when it dies
Hello there I didn't expect you here. I mean you were a on metal stream so makes sense
Is the “its not a kids movie” the same as “you need a high IQ to enjoy rick and morty”?
Yeah
Yes
Sometimes, yes.
i dont understand this, ofcourse a children can be intelligent but he wont have the same experience as anadult while watching the movie
@@wilkson1300 No they won't. But that doesn't mean we should stop them from watching it. They'll get their own conclusions from it. And some children will understand the "adult" perspective some won't. But you won't know how they'll react unless you show it to them.
Look, even if a kid doesn’t completely understand, that’s okay, because I bet you 20 bucks that when they reach middle school or higher they’ll have the capacity to look back and think, “wow, okay now I understand the bigger meaning of this” at least, that’s what Ghibli movies were to me,
isnt that what older people like about childrens movies from their childhood? the fact that they liked it as a kid but now that they are older they understand more about it? thats why there are all of those "adult jokes you may have missed" compilations
Yeah! I went back to Madagascar and I think I died
I think kids movies like this are way better than the colorful marketing scheme like minions which have absolutely no deeper messages or memorable feelings
Yeah you can’t blame the kids it’s not their fault our brains grow different to the point where we can’t understand certain things unless taught
Like raise a child correctly when they’re young and they become mature by the time they’re 11 12 or 10 even
Or raise a child incorrectly they become selfish and arrogant you know?
That was my inside out
Kids aren’t as stupid as people think. Kids understand a lot more than what people assume.
Kids can have deep thoughts. They can understand. I remember being a small child being
existential about death and what happens when we die and what that means. My sister is 12 and she perfectly understood this movie, and I know a lot more kids understood it. Sure it’s a more mature movie than most but kids still understand.
Kids grow up how you raise them. Raise them soft and stupid and you get a soft and stupid adult. Raise them with nuance and maturity and thats how they will grow
I speak from experience. Kids can be surprisingly mature if allowed to be so. Especially if they're not coddled and learn to draw their own conclusions.
not every kid does
I heard a saying somewhere that goes "kids aren't stupid. They just lack experience."
I mean, usually 3-9 year olds bring their parents to watch disney stuff, so...
People forget why teenagers are considered "edgy" or "immature" it's because they are trying to learn more about life, they're not as small as kids, and they're not adults. They understand adult topics just as good as anyone else, but people only see them as kids, or if one teen does something smart, everyone immediately goes "they're so smart for their age!" No shit, because you don't care enough to acknowledge teenagers as normal human beings!
@Jack Lardleif you just proved my point
We know that teenagers are not naive of adult topics, its practically forced as curriculum in middle/high schools. But not every teenager is as well developed intellectually or emotionally mature as others. One teenager could graduate high school as a freshman and be fast-passed to college, while another is cheating on math tests just to catch up with his or her peers. Every kid comes from different backgrounds and matures at different times, which is why we have ratings for movies and laws about youth alcohol consumption.
No one said that teenagers aren't human beings, but there is still some growing and learning involved that occurs when you are not living safely under your parents roof, worrying about your future career, maintaining a full-time job, dealing with lay-offs, scheduling college classes and student loans (if you intend to continue school), paying for food, a car, gas bills, apartment rent and utilities (or a down payment on a house), security, doctor bills and medical expenses, insurance/retirement, government funding, taxes, marriage, children, and many, many other pressures. There's a difference between knowing something and actually living it. That's why people use the verb "adulting." Teenagers shouldn't be treated like children, they deserve respect, but that doesn't make them adults.
@@s.e.e455 and I completely agree with you, there are all sorts of people in every age group. I'm just saying that as a person who in their teenage years didn't get a drip of privacy because my parents didn't see me as a normal human being with my own life, it's easy for me to say that not all teenagers get respect.
Having been a teenager myself and had to interact with other teenagers both then and now... no. Teenagers are fucking stupid. People don't respect them because they're fucking stupid. Hell, half the time they don't even grow out of being fucking stupid, it's just a perpetual condition.
Also can we talk about how it's weird that adults, GROWN ADULTS, make fun of teenagers for being "edgy" and "immature" . It's kinda gross how adults dehumanize literal kids , it's so normalized too.
No, it is NOT a weird thing to fixate on. If we treat kids like they're too stupid to appreciate heavier themes/topics in their media, how can we expect them to do it when they're older?
Brave
People forget that children don't stay the way the are, they're going to be the adults of tomorrow. In a way, they take "becoming an adult" for granted. Maturing is NOT a natural thing, if it were then we wouldn't have so many closed minded and irresponsible adults around the world. Many school students complain about how schools don't actually teach important stuff like finding a job and paying the bills, and they're totally right! We have to teach children how life goes the way it does, otherwise they won't handle it by themselves. It reflects on the "children entertainment" part of things, people associate "child" with "mindless", and that's a problem for the mental and psychological growth of many people.
I loved serious films when I was a kid. When I watched Littlefoot's mom die when I was 3, I wasn't "too young" to watch it. I watched that movie multiple times because of it, because I could relate to it.
If anything, we've dumbed down a lot of children's media. When I was a kid, we had a show where siblings were separated via abduction, and one grew up gaslighted and abused and twisted, then had to learn the truth about everything she thought she knew. Meanwhile, a sorceress in her brother's world had an affair that resulted in a child that another man would raise, and that sorceress ached for the daughter she longed for. If you guessed He-Man and She-ra, congrats. And let's not get into what was in Jem, but it was amazing. In the 90's, we had the animated Batman series that created one of the most twisted and abusive relationships to date with the creation of Harley Quinn, and Animaniacs wasn't mere slapstick.
Now, anything that might even slightly challenge kids is seen as "too much."
@@100lovenana Millennials are becoming boomers
When I saw the post-credits scene of Terry telling the viewers to go home since the movie was over. I immediately replied with “Jokes on you, I’m already home!”
Its a really old overused joke, love the irony
I just said jokes on you shorty I've been home
When Terry tells you to go home, you go home, even if you're already there. Terry is the best. XD
I had the same reaction.
SAME
I won’t lie, as a teenager who has just graduated and is still not sure what I want to do, this movie made me laugh and cry and feel so understood that it hurts. The feeling of wanting to live my life but being stuck with decisions that could determine my lifes path, is overwhelming and I love that this movie chose to talk about that.
NatalieSue - just a suggestion: maybe do volunteer work for a year (pick a cause you like/support) or sign up for a service that will give you a broader view of the world while helping people (example: Red Cross or Peace Corps). I have found that doing something selfless helps you find yourself even quicker. And at the end of a year or two, if those things weren't a job you could see yourself doing for years on end, you helped others, which is always a good thing, and hopefully gained some valuable life experience. Much better than rushing straight to a college/university to rack up debt/blow money on an education you're not even sure is the right path for you. Best of luck!
It is overwhelming. I remember being in high school still knowing I wanted to work with animals in some way, but didn't want to be a vet, couldn't afford to live off volunteering at some animal rescue, and didn't know what other kinds of jobs even existed. One of my mentors used to say that there is no luck, just preparation meeting opportunity at the right moment, and my two cents of advice for you ten years after I graduated high school is that even if you make a decision that ends up being not at all what you thought you wanted out of a job or relationship or whatever else is important to you, your life's not over. You don't have to be stuck doing the same thing for the rest of your life and as long as you live, you can always change it. It's your life and I promise you don't have to have it all figured out before you're thirty or even after you're thirty. After having three kids and being a stay-at-home mom for six years, my mom went back to school and got a teaching degree. I currently work in a lab, but I have the dream of eventually being an animal educator and in the meantime, I work on honing my craft on fiction writing because I'd also like to be a published author someday.
Cherish the journey MORE than reaching your goals! After years of putting pressure on myself, I learned that life is a beautiful messy adventure! If you reach a goal and it doesn’t work, that’s okay, find a new dream 💗
I love this thread. Thank you all ♥️
Coming back to this a year later, I can’t believe people are still finding my comment and actively seeking to assist me. I feel so touched. Thank you! Over the last year I’ve done a lot. I finally published a book I’ve been working on for years, then started working on the sequel. I quit my job and got a new one. One I really enjoy. And I began volunteering at my church more, helping with young teen girls going through a lot of hard stuff. It’s got it’s ups and downs and there are days that feel like it’d be better if I wasn’t around, but I remain for the sheer sake of loving what I do. And that is, simply enjoying the little things of life. That conversation with a friend, being open and vulnerable without regard, placing boundaries for myself and others, and watching tv shows that no one really cares about.
Needless to say the last two years have been a mixture of hell for me, but my characters like to say: “Even the darkest night can’t drown out a lantern built on resilience alone”
Here’s to another year.
I don’t know if anyone pointed this out yet but the Pixar and Disney logos play in the beginning but the title isn’t shown until the end of the movie, inferring that Joe’s (and 22’s) story is just beginning. I loved that little touch
Nah.
The title being shown only after a movie is over isn't a new thing. It's happening in movies all the time now.
@@wariolandgoldpiramid in other movies yes, but in "soul" it hit's different, once you watched the whole film, and that title popped up, you will feel as if joel's soul and living has fully started.
@@wariolandgoldpiramid If you honestly don't think this was explicitly done for this reason, especially from a studio that has consistently shown it's title at the start of their films (Pixar have done this with every movie since it's inception), then I honestly don't know what to tell ya bruh
@@wariolandgoldpiramid the point is not that it's a new thing, it's that they appreciate how it was used in the movie.
@@wariolandgoldpiramid let the people have their concept, ohhhh shit i forgot ur allowed to have opinions, nvm go and speak ur nonsense cause u don't know how to read the mood
Here's a wild concept: stop stigmatizing "children's" movies as NEEDING to be shallow and easy to understand. ESPECIALLY with animation. There is SO much creative freedom you have with animation that you just don't have in real life. That's why it can be so great in conveying messages and themes! It's incredibly expressive as a medium, which is part of the reason why so many animated "kids movies" are so well-remembered for the messages they convey!
These "kid's movies" focus on core concepts and feelings that are a part of being human. They help us reconnect with and understand ourselves, help us to collect ourselves in order to be confident in who we are knowing that each of us are a completely unique and valid individual. I find that people who focus on "adulting" lose that central experience from their childhood as they grow up, which leads to them losing that "spark" in themselves, regarding it as "childish". I strongly disagree. Our childhood experiences are the times in our lives where we are closest to who we really are! I'm talking about before we need to focus on social norms. But many of us would define our childhood as being a central part of our entire personality throughout life. If we can use it to to reconnect with our true selves more often, we may find that we have more purpose than we realize. Something being deemed "childish" does not necessarily mean "not adult". It can also mean that something is "close to our true feelings and values"
No, animation and kids movies do not inherently have to be dumbed down or deemed as immature for adult audiences. If anything, movies like this tell more truth than any adult movies ever have.
I agree - imo, the best "children's movies" are ones that are engaging and thought provoking for young kids, but are also deep enough for adults - especially when coming _back_ to one after growing up results in someone noticing new ideas and themes that they either couldn't understand or ignored as kids.
@@KingBobXVI exactly!
Truuue, I fell in love with anime when I was around 9 or 10 because of the beautiful animation and deep story lines. The Proud Family was another show I loved because of how they talked about subjects like being black or not spending too much money. Some kids are wise very early on.
@@dannikris3696 OH yesssss! I only discovered The Proud Family in more recent years, but I instantly fell in love with it! There's something about it that's very heartwarming and mature, yet fun about that show. It handled a lot of important subjects honestly while also being entertaining and enjoyable! I may not be black myself, but I definitely think the writers of that show deserve a lot of credit for addressing subjects that many other shows would back away from. Actually, a lot of other cartoons (new and old) have done that too, and I think it's one of the better ways to teach kids (and others) about issues like that, because they're portrayed in a way that shows the different sides of them instead of letting people figure those lessons out "the hard way" (though not that that can always be avoided). I think animation is very captivating, since it's not something that's a part of nature that we have to look at every day, and that's why I think it has the ability to be such a useful tool for spreading a message. If anything, animation should be used more often for things like this!
@@lexyshannon9428 100% agree with you! 😊
I actually really liked the joke of Terry stressing over the number of deaths. It, at least to me, was a nice commentary on how some people spend so much time stressing about facts and numbers on the news that are simply out of their control. She put so much effort into trying to fix some issue that she perceives as controllable, never actually helping the situation and only making someone else's life worse. She then demanded a trophy as a reward because she felt accomplished for something changing that she never had a part with in the first place.
her obsession over the numbers is kinda similar to the lost souls in the movie-
hmm-
Terry was a she?
@@irongirltoni They were all genderless 4D constructs given form by Joe's unconscious psyche in order to cope with what he can't mentally comprehend. She has a female voice(voiced by Rachel House), though, so I'm calling Terry a lady.
I think Terry is a boy becoz despite being genderless he sounds like a boy
I love how the Jerry's talk with Terry. They don't really seem to like Terry and they are not interested in Terrys obsession with numbers, but they don't want to be mean so they constantly praise Terry for everything. But the Jerrys actually Don't care about the numbers or any Problem Joe might have caused.
I just hate the term "kids movie" when talking animation. Plenty of people call animated films "kids movie", which I just don't like. Movies like "Minions" and the "Trolls" movies are movies for kids. Nothing to offer to adults, it's bright and colorful and that's it. Pixar makes "family films", and other family films exist. Can we stop calling EVERY animated film a "kids movie"?
Totally agree. Like many others have said, animation is a medium of entertainment, not a genre. To be honest I think I’d like a lot of other movies and shows more if they were in an animated format, seems like a lot more hard work and soul (lol get it) go into it than live action production.
@@stevengoomba6490 I hate it when I see a movie that could've EASILY been animated for a way smaller budget and with much better effect, but instead they make it an okay to pretty cool looking live-action film for even three times the budget. Like, you could have a potentially better product for cheaper, but instead you decide to waste money.
Though in defense of Trolls, i did like the message that movie had regarding happiness
It's also quite ignorant to the shows that use the medium to discuss heavier topics and darker plots to assume anything within an animated format is "for kids".
What ever happened to General Audience? Why did it become culturally appropriate to use black and white definitions regarding media as either "kid appropriate" or "adult appropriate", despite many, many forms of media being appropriate for all age groups?
I hate that too, since animated movies and shows have the potential to tell whatever story they want since the only limit is the imagination. It kind of feels like a lot of people just put animation in a box of being for kids when that couldn’t be further from the truth. Like, would you let a child watch Evangelion, Primal, F is for Family or something similar just because it’s technically a cartoon?
Honestly kids understand certain things way more than adults. Adults make things complicated and say it’s complicated because they don’t really know. We often believe that adults have more freedom, but honestly children are the most free.
Freedom is an illusion give to us by the illuminati
@@lexerwilliams8880 ok
@@lexerwilliams8880 pants are an illusion and so Is dead
@@lexerwilliams8880 you trolling or are you serious
Children have always understood darker themes a lot better than adults have ever. Look at the stories we used to use as bed-time stories or warnings. The Brothers' Grimm stories are prime examples. And they're not the only ones. There's the Grecian, the Egyptian, the Roman, the Norwegian, the Chinese, the Japanese... every culture has stories they tell their children as warnings and as ways to help them through life.
We adults now a days are overcoddling children and protecting them when they honestly don't need it from movies like Soul.
"What happens in soul?"
"The main character dies"
" oh in the end"
"No in the beginning"
“The main character dies, but only to live.”
"Were you killed?"
"Sadly, yes. But I LIVED!"
Now that I think about it this could also go for(spoilers)
Danganronpa v3
"What happens in danganronpa v3?"
"The main character dies"
"Oh in the end..."
"No in the beginning"
@@themightypancake5695 I am now stealing this every time I end up on a Soul video (except this one). Unless, you don’t want me to. This is probably the best joke in reference to the movie,
Rezero in a nutshell
So Soul is too heavy for kids but the first 5 minutes of Up wasn't? Ok. As if Ghibli movies don't go hard in the feels department
Up is pretty heavy too, at least in the sequence of "Married Life", but it's a great movie.
I think it's more that people think Soul is potentially "boring" for kids and that they won't understand all of the themes.
I mean not all Ghibli movies are for children
@@spidernymph8964 I saw soul when I was 11 and i think its one of the greatest movie
I straight up sobbed during this movie
I've always been asked what I wanted to do in this life, and I've never had an answer. Tbh, I'm surprised I made it this far. And right when the movie said "you don't need a purpose to live", I broke down
I really needed this movie, and I hope everyone gets a chance to see it
Watch out for the Christians tho (and I mean those types who loves shoving their religon onto people’s throats. Most Christians are nice and knows what it is to be a Christian) they are gonna say “yOu aRe gOiNg tO hElL iF yOu tHiNk tHaTs tRuE! lIfE hAs A pUrPoSe! REEEEE!
Same
I always thought I needed a purpose to keep going. Maybe a big career and a family. But I realize there’s so much concern about the future that sometimes it’s just better to think about the present and remind myself that I don’t need a purpose to life a good life.
It helped me understand people who don't want a purpose. Personally, I'm very purpose-driven. I have to be aiming toward a goal or I get bored or suicidal. It's like leaving a Border Collie indoors all day. Eventually it'll go mad, because it's a working dog and needs things to think and do.
Anyway, I liked the film. I liked how deep it was. I've already known the message for awhile, but it's a good reminder. At the end of everything, we all wind up, well, dead. Life is a gift and that's its ultimate purpose. You can do what you want with it; it's your gift.
just finished this movie a while ago, so good.
I have depression and I’ve struggled a lot. At my worst, I couldn’t imagine a future for myself. So the ending where Joe lives, is the ending I needed. I was sobbing so hard when I watched that scene.
I agree, and it’s something a lot of people needed during the time of year it came out
I have to agree, I was so used to feeling like a lost soul. And this movie isn’t the solution, but it’s a plausible answer.
I agree. I usually have a bone to pick with stakes that are not actually stakes but I found myself dreading the idea it would usurp my expectations and have him die. I’ve never been so glad as when they let him live.
Bruh
I'll be honest, for me, that ending took away from the message about living. Life means nothing if death means nothing.
Instead of ending it
“And then they all died”
Soul went
“And then they all live on”
"And you (the audience) should too"
@@FlashQuatsch damn
Literally almost every movie does this it’s nothing new lmao.
“Happily Ever After”.
@@pasqualelibertino6141
It's not that it's something new, it's because it's used differently.
Soul doesn't end in a happily ever after, it ended with a normal norm of life of "anything could happen," and suggest to the viewer a way to go through those challenges.
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Right . . . I get that . . .
The circumstance in which the above comment says otherwise though . . .
Remember just because some disagrees doesn’t mean “they didn’t get it like you did” lol
I don't know if I'm a minority in this opinion, but I felt like having Joe die at the end, after seeing his impact on his students and his relationship with the people in the barbershop, and his mother would have just been...sad. I was hung up on how many people would have missed Joe, especially people like his mother (who had already lost her husband) or Curly & Connie.
I guess that's a merit to the storytelling though, as early on in the "Hall of You" Joe sees his life as lonely and sad, but in that reality he had so many more connections than he thought.
I kind of agree, but at the same time having him live kind of cheapened his sacrifice. Anybody would give back the Earth ticket if they knew they’d just get to go back anyway. Also him realizing what he had managed to uplift others could be used as a moment where he learns that his life was fuller than he once thought and feel more okay with moving on.
Also, I don’t feel like the movie ever really gave him a moment to actually realize the impact he had on people? He was always brushing people off or not really paying attention when folks were telling him what a difference he made in their lives and there was never a moment where he really realized what he had done for other people. The closest he got was after talking to the barber, but I really wanted him to have a bigger revelation; maybe about his former student who Joe wasn’t really paying attention to when he said his class was the only reason he stayed in school.
My overall impressions after I saw the movie twice was that it just felt like it was missing something. It felt incomplete. Inside Out had that moment where the memory turned yellow AND blue and it really put the whole movie into perspective, but with Soul I felt like I was waiting for a moment like that, a closing argument in the thesis, and it felt like it never came.
Hey, i know you may feel like it's sad but it's because you think so, life is dead and viceverse there is no justice to it. It just is. So if joe died which he didn't it woulve been just the end of a life.
If he died I couldn’t handle it honestly
Like- that’s just suicide metaphor
He had a chance to live and him saying no is just him killing himself
Not the best message if this is truly a “kids movie”
(It’s an all ages movie so kids will watch it anyway)
@@kyoyameganebereznoff yeah, But that ending is so predictable. I'm glad soul subverted my expectations even tho it's pulling things out of thin air.
I love how in the beginning they make the moments of Joe’s life look so lonely and sad, and then he reflects on them at the end and sees how meaningful they really are.
This movie was so satisfying for me because Joe is the most relatable protagonist. The whole time I felt like I’ve gone through the same realizations that joe was going through. I wonder if this would have blown my mind as a kid
Same! I'd loved to have seen this when I was in high school! I kept feeling like "I have to be great. I have to be the best! I have to accomplish this big thing!" And only after some heavy depression did it occur that "I'm not happy throwing myself at things like this."
Same! Joe might be my favorite Pixar protagonist just because his journey was so relatable to me.
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Yes! Finally, someone who actually respects 22's arc! I've been watching a lot of reviews and almost all of them talk about Joe. Not that it's bad, but it's not appreciating the full movie by putting aside the other main character's arc. Come on.
Edit: Also, can we talk about the fact almost everyone wanted Joe dead? What??? Why? Listen, the lesson is literally appreciating life and your chance of it, and your telling me, after learning about that, Joe would just die? Thank you for appreciating it!!
@Brady Burkett well, ok, i like your interpretation, but most people said that when Joe was given a second chance he should've refused it?? Um??? They could've said to let Joe not have a second chance to be a bit more realistic, but that's kind of strange to give up a second chance if Joe appreciated life that much. And yes, while it would make sense a little because he learned how much life really mattered and stuff, but that's still a strange message to send.
@@temutemacular yeah. see refusing the second chance is called
*a suicide metaphor*
and I don’t think we need to be showing kids “joe didn’t chose to live why should you”
Wait why? That wasn’t his arc😅
@@sillygoosetaur Lmfao can you imagine? “Remember kids, you don’t have to live anymore after you reach your goal. You already know what life’s like, right? Why not die now? Just like good ‘ol Joe!”
I really hated when people thought I couldn’t comprehend anything as a kid. I knew a lot of stuff early and so many people babied me
I know how you feel man 😞. Being babied alot can cause the child to mature very slowly and can pretty much make them think that life is all about themselves, believe me I used to be like that because back then up to the age of 11-12 I’ve been babied constantly and I got so tired of it that I finally screamed that I’m a growing boy and they should quit treating me like I’m still 5.
I feel you, I’ve been lied to and babied so much as a kid, and even to this day. I have so much trust issues cuz I’m one of the youngest people in my family. But when I get the chance to speak my mind, people are shocked at how much I know
literally all kids think this way lol it's not unique guys
Lol, when I was 8, I was smarter than most adults. How many adults had read all of the World Book Encyclopedias, A-Z, multiple times in a row and can tell you the half-life of a log is around 14,000 years, what RDX is, and what a "Ship of The Line" is?
A smart kid has several dozen times more knowledge than a dumb adult, despite the dumb adult having been around to absorb information several times longer.
@@manictiger maybe you just have a massive ego instead of a massive intelligence
When I watched the film, I waited until the end credits, hoping to maybe see what Joe decided to do with his life or a baby 22. I felt totally called out by the joke epilog with Terry lol. But then I realized how hypocritical it would be to expect to know the destinies of characters in a movie where the moral is "nobody has a destiny". It's one of these pieces of media where I think I don't wan't any official answer to the open ending.
Yes. That ambiguous ending felt right to me because of that. Joe just continued to live his life, and it was a great experience regardless of the hypothetical route he had taken.
Nice pfp
It really annoys me when people underestimate the intuitive nature of children. Children are more intelligent than anyone ever gives them credit for and the fact that Pixar and dreamworks seem to be the only film studios that see that is more upsetting to me than the existential crisis that this movie portrays
Nevermind intuition, they’re also developing and the lessons they learn from these movies will help positively SHAPE their adulthood.
Even if the meaning of some things don’t stick for them at first, they’ll still retain the knowledge of it.
So yeah, hope we can get out of this dark age sometime. And good for Pixar and Dreamworks for still trying.
They have a very low wisdom and intelligence stat. But they have a proficiency for intuition rolls.
@@rickmarinara5179 You rolled a Nat 20 for Charisma with that comment.
@@rickmarinara5179 you definitely got some inspiration points for this one
@@eaglefan2569 only after rolling a nat 1 and rerolling for race benefits
Coco: people aren't truly gone just because they're dead
Soul: Still, enjoy every moment of life, death can come at any moment
Pixar really released a movie that said "go out and live life" during a pandemic huh
It wasn’t made during pandemic and was delayed from Summer and from Thanksgiving theatre release.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 yeah, it was more of a joke considering the coincidences
idk, you can still live life to the fullest even in lockdown
I think that gives the message even more power. This pandemic has made a lot of people appreciate the little things that we used to have.
I love that people are taking your joke so literally haha
Personally I really liked the ending the way it was. The fact that they left it vague and open to interpretation fits perfectly with the theme of the message "live". They don't want to give a "correct answer", they want you to interpret what you think it is to live. It's a movie that has different answers for different people based on what they think life is, and that's brilliant.
I hated the ending at first because I expected something grand to finish the movie.
...now I know that's what Joe felt like.
Plus, I greatly prefer a vague ending over a bad ending. With a vague ending, you are encouraged to make up your own interpretation. With a bad ending, you are FORCED to do so.
I though it was kinda fitting, but it felt kinda weird. It made me think: if you are in *the zone* can you die during that moment? The fact that he could have been sent to the great beyond made me feel weird.
But i think the way it ended with 22 was amazing and emotional. But with Joe it felt like something was missing, it just didn't have an impact on me
@@EmuOtoriInAMountain to answer that, it’s because Joe is not suppose to be alive. The thing that is keeping him alive is 22’s earth pass, so by giving it to them Joe isn’t able to continue living. I hope that explains it.
@@reasyrandom That what I was thinking too. That it needed a bigger message and ending, but I realized that was the point. Joe also was expecting a bigger message, but just like the message of the movie the ending is suposed to just be simple and sweet, and not as complex as we try to make things.
@@EmuOtoriInAMountain I find it gives true meaning to "Being so happy you could die"
Some of the worst years of my life mentally were before the age of 13. I hated being alive, I hated myself, there were times where the only reason I kept going was because I was too afraid of death. I used to be 22, I felt myself as worthless, thinking that I would never be good enough, thinking my life was worth less than everything that existed, I was willing to jump infront of oncoming traffic to save my cat if the need arised. And was willing to do that when I had been way worse emotionally before that. Before I actively asked others to kill me, my greatest wish was to die. Whenever I was asked what I wanted as a present my mind would go to death. My sadness and self hatred crippled me, it hurt so bad to have the only thing you wanted prevented by your own fear. The worse part was i had no excuse to hate it as much as i did. I wasn't disabled, dying, or abused, i didnt even have bad grades, i felt so alone while i had someone to turn to wherever i looked, i just hated myself, more than any other person or concept that had ever existed. It took years to get to the point where I love living again, where I'm not constantly sad, where I mess up and don't immediately think I'm worthless. It's still really hard to like myself sometimes, but I really like being alive. This movie could've really helped me speed up my healing. It's sad that some people think this movie doesn't connect with kids, it has messages that are deeply meaningful to all ages.
I've seen that. I hope you find some more colors with time. And I agree, this movie is something that ought to be shared.
Every atom of your body is worth something to me, to my family, because that’s what we believe. I’m glad you feel better now and know that people care for you even if you don’t know them. Have a good rest of your day and I hope your tomorrow is even better.
Edit, i deleted the original comment because it was quite personal, but i basically said something similar, but not as bad by a mile, happened to me.
@@deomvii I'm happy that you've gotten better, and I think that one day those feelings will fade completely. I mean we've already gotten to this point. I don't regret those years I was like that though. It helped me grow in the long run, but I wish it shorter. I hope both of us grow to be truly happy with ourselves, and our choices. It's never too late to change things.
@@gracie-md1qq "The worse part was i had no excuse to hate it as much as i did." I just wanted to say one thing. Your pain was valid. Just because things could have been worse doesn't mean you had no right to feel the way you did about things. You had every right. Your pain is valid. Your feelings are valid. YOU are valid 💕
My interpretation of his death was that he never died at all. Why would he be in a hospital if he was dead? He should be in a mourge. No, Joe had an out of body or near death experience, we've talked about it in church several times. It's happened to many people IRL and for Joe it makes sense that was the only reason he was able to get off the escalator and be sent back to his body at the end of the movie.
Yeah, i thought the movie made it pretty clear that he didn't died, he was in coma.
I guess some people saw Joe's daydream about what he'd do if he got back to his body and took it to mean he actually died, because he thought he was dead at the bottom of a sewer hole. I'd struggle to see why it wouldn't be seen for what it is, though; they made it very clear that scene was a daydream, and went on to confirm he was just comatose in the hospital.
It’s more like he was dying
I imagine that you don't die until your soul actually goes into the great beyond
@@arthurdent578 plus see also Bardo state, per many Buddhists...
"Is Terry's job actually important? Because nobody else seems to care"
To be fair, I think that's part of the joke. Terry's job is so superfluous but she takes it way too seriously. It's basically that one guy at work who thinks their mindless entry-level position is the most integral hook for the whole company.
I'm pretty sure Terry's a guy
I took it as Terry, being the other part of the great unknowable universe, is the facet of the universe that actually cares about keeping track of what's going on on the small scale.
Thanks to Terry, the Jerrys don't care at all about it. That's why the Jerrys are tall while Terry is short.
Somehow you’ve described my ex-boss to a tea. Sadly management kept said-ex boss on to make us miserable when in reality the position was practically useless.
@@skeletalmixer1019 Terry’s non binary
all of the Jerry’s and Terry’s are
They just use she/her for them because of the female-looking design
@@sillygoosetaur they’re not even that, the first Jerry said they were just a hypothetical construct for the human brain to understand
What I gathered: Soul is meta-commentary about the differences between 'adult' and 'kids' movies, and how even though they can be stylistically or thematically different, all that matters is the message that they give and there is usually a significant amount of overlap there.
my favorite lines: "I MADE HER CRY" "im gonna wish you never died" " *most people think that 22* ", and
" *H A N D S A R E H A R D* " (i love the hands are hard one because i cannot, for the damn life of me, draw hands)
Or "Life is so unfair. I don't wanna die. Somebody call the Wambulance. Wah!" I love the humor in this movie.
Also the whole thing with The joke at the end is the sole reason we need to keep the ending in, as far as I’m concerned that’s the best joke in the whole fucking movie
@@anni1348 YES
I’m someone that draws freelance and learned how to animate during the pandemic. I really loved the “hands are hard” joke, probably my favorite one in the entire movie
*"I'm gonna wish you never died"*
I knew this movie was going to be amazing when 22 said not even Mother Teresa could stand her.
"I MADE HER CRY" is one of my favorite lines
@@anni1348 I liked it because Mother Teresa was an a hole