DPReview TV: Panasonic S1R hands-on preview in Barcelona
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- What do you get when you send two crazy Canadians to Barcelona, Spain, and turn them loose with Panasonic's first full frame cameras? A Panasonic S1 and S1R hands-on preview with a nod to a Woody Allen film, that's what. Only cinema at its finest here on DPReview TV.
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A pleasure to show you fellas around town, and love how it turned out in the edit Jordan!
Hi Gordon! U are the man!
@@reludennis cheers!
Seeing Chris lug that thing around is why I switched to M43 in the first place. I'll give up some resolution and low light performance for portability. Personal preference.
Good point , who hasn't looked at their cameras and thought I'd like to use that one for quality but that one I can carry all day without noticing it , oh i'll the second.
In the old days, we used things called shoulder straps for heavier cameras and lenses. I know, weird...right?
BJ Nicholls Shoulder strap does not stop those things from making their weight known over the course of a day. It just makes it more tolerable.
LOL! Love Jordan's film noir-ish narrative
~ All I want is the perfect camera, all I want is the perfect camera. ~
Can't help but think of Kasey with that outro.
But the reality is, nothing's perfect. Better to accept it and move on.
It's a reference to the hilarious Camera Conspiracy's channel.I disagree with accepting non perfection, perfection is a (shifting) end goal. An end that never will be reached, but one can get very close. However Panasonic and other could have given us a more perfect camera combining the features they already have done before, like the bloody flippy screen. To us consumers it's very frustrating to always see the camera companies doing so many things right, but simply failing to do some basics, like having simple and intuitive menu's, a fully articulating screen, non hunting CAF, 2 cardslots, decent battery life, full size hdmi, audio ports, decent weather sealing etc. It's like the camera companies are affraid we won't by the next models if they offer a feature Complete camera instead of always feature lacking camera's they've done.
I hope that in the future with 3d printing we can design and assemble our own tools, to our liking.
the screen is perfect the way it is.
It doesn’t meet a key use case for a hybrid camera, it’s objectively not perfect.
@@chrisogrady28 right but you aren't buying a 46 mp camera for video
At 4:43 - what is the clamp you are using to lock the camera to the rail?
Sbyc Stick - great product
Laing and Chris and Jordan wastin' our time
Hangin' out in Barcelona on the vendor's dime.
They don't like the gear, but it's such a sweet gig;
That's how we do it in the Year of the Pig!
You should write for our show.
The best at anything always try to make their latest effort the best they have ever done. You guys are the best.
Woody Allen: Vicky Cristina Barcelona... Great video guys :-)
Great film, great director, (great camera lol)
It's just those lens prices that are killin' me. If the announced lenses would've been f/2.8, I'd be cool with it, and justify the price in my head, but at f/4, that's a bit harder. I shoot a lot of conferences and other live entertainment, so I need the chance to let more light in if I have to.
Great preview and voice-over by Jordan :)
Sounds sometimes like from Max Payne 1&2 story voices :) :D
The hype machine is moving. But still I have big unsolved questions as firmware / autofocus, I think there will be improvements from gh series but still will not be as good as Sony's. And what about the mount alliance? Actually I'm waiting for Sigma big reveal.
There's a lot to come and I can't wait.
Yeah, full-frame Foveon and ART lenses are what draw me to the L Mount Alliance. The prospect of M lenses on Foveon is appealling.
There will likely be a video-focussed S at the end of then year, so these may not gain all the GH features - they're more like FF G9s.
Love the narration Jordan - I guess its an homage to Woody.
hahahah love Jordan doing the vicky cristina barcelona thing!
You know he's Canadian when he goes around with a jumper whilst the locals are in full winter jackets!
S series looks nice to me. Color was good and still gives passion in features.
I find the Canon 5D Mark IV very easy to carry around for extended periods despite its weight, but I'd use a Black Rapid shoulder strap to walk around town. I'm surprised you find the S1 lunky to carry as the grip looks similar. How heavy is the body? Is the lens on the weighty side also compared to other makes?
Nice, should have ended with a XX-style most-fascinating-man-in-the-world commercial, "Keep shooting, my friends." That would have been sweet given that is was shot in Spain and you had the classical guitar music going.
Great video, guys. Beautiful camera, but too expensive for me. Greetings from Brazil.
I met Chris on the street of Barcelona that day. My mind was like I’ve seen this guy somewhere else many times - yeah, camera guy!
Woody Allen would approve of this review.
Don't be daft - he'd sneeze and drop the camera! :D (jk)
You guys are the best, and my favorite reviewers of cameras. Your videos are always fun and entertaining. I love Jordans voice narrating, this video, he's got me cracking up. LOL!
The lenses of the new Nikon Z, Canon R and Panasonic S1 camera are going to be significantly more expensive than similar lenses for full frame dSLR cameras.
The first Sony lenses for the α7 series were more expensive than similar full frame dSLR lenses too. However recently there is a significant drop of price for the most SONY full frame FE e-mount lenses of the 2013-2014 period.
Eventually everything will stabilize.
love Jordan’s VO/narration!
Great review. I like that LCD screen "Fuji" design.
Where can I find a ball-head clamp tripod like that?
The camera store
Again an awesome video from you 👌🏼👌🏼 and some nice photos. Thanks.
After this review I can see why DPR nicked you two, this is a mega production.
Thanks for the great feedback on both of these cameras. I shoot both photos and video with the GH5 and GH5s, depending on what the wildlife decides to do in the moment. I'm thinking of getting the S1R to make the most of my older Nikon 300/400 f2.8 lenses for photos, but I don't want to lose the ability to capture good 4K video if some great behavior starts. Although I've heard that the S1R uses pixel-binning in full-frame 4K, I don't know how that really translates to a degraded 4K image... Can you give me some idea of what I might expect compared to 4K with the GH5? Thanks for any info you can provide.
Great vid as usual, I know it's off topic, was wondering which messenger bag you used in the Barcelona segment of the vid, and also the name of clamp used to clamp camera to railing. Cheers
When he was holding the camera over that big fountain and started fiddling with it.. my palms got sweaty.. and I had a mini heart attack
Please review it using SL lenses...
I was actually going to buy the S1 but hmmm. Can't say i will now. If it was your choice between the S1 and the Sony a7iii. For low light video production with fast action car filming. Which would you recommend??????
You guys nailed it again! Very good video. I felt a bit disappointed with the sharpness of the stills but maybe it was the compression.
Great review Chris and Jordan! And really enjoyed the narration :) - you should do this more Jordon. Looking forward to the S1 review. Love from Oshawa, Ontario.
Good job guys ! BTW was this review shoot with the GH5 ? Which lens ? Thanks from France :-)
What "Tripod" did you use to hang the camera in the railings?
I will be buying the S1R but that battery life worries me.
Loved this format 👌👌👌
Thank you for the heads-up. I will be sticking to my a7R as I see absolutely no reason to look at this camera. I am sure it will mature in the next two iterations. I will have another look then. It is always fun to look at the new technology. I was excited about this camera as I really enjoy and like what Panasonic does to the color.
Hilarious Woody Allen parody!
Nicely done guys. Only thing missing...Penelope Cruz!
We looked.
DPR TV really loves that suburban road overlooking that frozen pond. Does Chris live nearby?
The film noir voice over was fantastic. the specific camera does not interest me but I enjoy top notch reviews.
I ve a bunch of Zeiss ZF lenses which are quite heavy for tiny mirrorless like Fuji and Sony. This Panasonic looks bigger and I am eager to see how they go.
The colours of this video are amazing, what camera was that shot on? And if relevant what settings?
The in tro and conclusion were shot on a GH5 with 'Like-709' profile. The middle portion was shot on the Panasonic S1 with the new 'flat' profile. Glad you like the look!
@@thatjordandrake Thanksa lot Jordan, I appreciate your reply, plus I've got to tell you that your voice over added up a lot to this video making it so enjoyable to watch over and over, very good job mate! I'm a fan!
Lol @ 4:28, you zoomed at a Panasonic air-conditioner with the Panasonic camera!
really balanced and informative. thankyou
Please try this camera with the Leica SL lenses. I wonder how good does it get. Thanks
Really cool reviews guys ! Cool to meet you there in Barcelona ! ;-)
Jordan cracks me up
No mention of AF-S quality or accuracy?
I'm glad you guys actually covered the autofocus issues without glossing it over or just pretending it is not there. That has killed this camera for me. Stone dead.
I'm not sure about Jordan's background voiceover :) but enjoyed the review. Was that with the 0.7 firmware?
Jordan was doing it in his sleep!
Ha ha! :)
What was this episode filmed with? GH5S? It looks fab!
Was this video shot with the S1? And was it shot using manual or autofocus? The first part of this video to me looks very sharp? then you switched back to the GH5?
Exciting times! Im eyeballing a new fullframe system, but questioning the availability of lenses, as I do a lot of wildlife photography.
Totally love the Camera Conspiracies reference! Instantly reminded me of Kasey, haha.
Thanks again for a fun review. Looking forward to the video firmware update on the S1.
Photographers: "The lenses are too expensive!"
Panasonic: *glances at Leica* "no they're not"
It seems most of the high resolution mode on the market are just pump up the size of the image instead of adding extra details. While I prefer the one on the Pentax K-1 which I really see a huge differences in terms of small details.
I own a Panasonic G9 and I wanted to go to the full frame hybrid Sony A7 III. I've been waiting to see Panasonic S1 what specifications it has and how much it costs. Disappointment, weighing double It's like a brick compared to the Sony A7 III, poor battery (half as much as Sony), the same problem hunting the back subject with autofocus contrast, 225 vs 693 (sony) focus point, is more expensive than Sony with 500$. The only advantage of Panasonic is 4k 60p considering the sony A7III is one year old on the market.
I saw that Hibiki in the photo. My favorite drink when I’m have a victory
Hey Chris, At 4:43 - what is the clamp you are using to lock the camera to the rail?
That auto-focus hunting looks absolutely horrible.
Maybe its like the G9 witch have that hunting front and back looking in the viewfinder but have pretty good hit rate when you look at the photos later. But sure its annoying.
@@bjure8111 Yeah it wouldn't be an issue in photography but makes video using auto-focus completely pointless.
@@JanneRanta Check out richard wongs autofocus test, there's absolutely no hunting in the background what so ever, which is very promising!
@@miklschmidt I dont know what video you watched but it's even worse on his test. Even on a relatively still subject the hunting is continous.
@@JanneRanta Yeah, contrast af has to hunt to be sure it has focus. can't go around it
My fingers get very uncomfortable holding a pro level DSLR too. That's why I buy a Peak design strap and pull it tight enuf so that I can put my hand at an angle to hold it even with my arm straight down. You can let your fingers go totally loose. Also, get a spider holster & your back & shoulders will thank you. Don't expect any camera to meet your every whims out of the box. You must use half your budget or more on lenses and accessories to have a good time using it.
OBVIOUSLY the AF might be an issue in Video, but even for photos I would find the short pulsing irritating and uncomfortable to look at through the EVF.
What good is 5.6 Million dots if you look at a pulsating view of your model when you take those portraits for example?
Most of the videographers who will complain about the CDAF are video bloggers who review cameras, and amateurs who want everything in life to be automated! Professional filmmakers don't use AF very often. They set up their scenes and record them methodically, pulling focus manually as needed. The manual focus assist on Panasonic cameras, and the OLED touch screen drag focus, are great features.
And, as Chris said many times, this is pre-production firmware. Performance on all fronts will most likely be refined several times before the second generation is released. I would expect some new features to be added at a future date as well, because I received a few pleasant surprises through GH4 firmware upgrades.
Get on with the times grandma. Pros use AF all the time, they just didn't cus it was always bad, like this brand new camera.
Gh5 was used again for filming this episode? looks amazing
i have a lot of issues with the GH5s, image quality just isn't there for me, especially in low light, you have to do a ton of tweaks and editing to make it perfect
I think I'll still hang on to the GH series. GH6 might take a while to come out and who knows what sensor that will be riding on.
I wonder what is using for mic from far away.
Dude, stop holding that camera over the water! 8:18
That was scary :-)
Triggered my ocd.. Had palpitations!
i would totally drop it
What camera bag is that? It looks like a good one.
At hi-res, the effective pixel size is around 2 microns, so the camera is diffraction limited after F4. Please don't test the hi-res mode at F8 when the time comes.
NOBODY was asking for this camera. EVERYONE was asking for a full-frame GH5. WTF?
Seriously, FF GH5 with PDAF = homerun
Exactly. A FF GH5 but with good autofocus. This Camera is neither.
Hey a lot of folks do not want this video filmstuff in a photocamera. If someone want to make video he can use a dedicated videocamera.
I will enjoy this camera for photos. no need for moving pictures…
@@SD_Alias If you want a stills camera you have lots of excellent ones to choose from with a large lens range that doesn't cost the earth. But this is 2019 and people expect and do use Panasonic for video first and photos second. If this is just another very nice stills camera it is dead in the water.
@@NickGranville lol if Panasonic could so it they would have done it already
Well done, danke! I love Calgary and Barcelona. I‘ll visit Barcelona in spring time. Only 1k km from where I live. With a new camera?!
Deep learning along with insane FPS and small, compact mirrorless bodies and, not to mention, insane autofocus potential, I really do see the demise of DSLRs happening within 5-10 years, if not earlier.
Great video as also by these two guys.
Barcelona is a great place and should be on a photographers bucket list, as well as a grwat place to party !
Chris commented on how uncomfortable his fingers were after holding the camera for a few hours. I'm not surprised given the weight of the camera and lens combination. Indeed, the latest FF lenses in particular are so big and heavy that I believe, that once the love-in for FF is over, many photographers will "suddenly" rediscover the joy of smaller APS-C and MFT lenses and glasses. So long as you shoot at less than ISO 1600, even an MFT sensor and produce seriously good images printed to 30". Just check out this comparison between the E-M1X and Sony A9 (@ 35mins) ruclips.net/video/ypUU3lbaH4M/видео.html
But he didn't break down and put a strap on!!!
I actually don't mind the heavier FF cameras & lenses and they definitely help with stability. For still images the smaller sensors can produce stunning quality, but don't quite match a larger sensor (the lower resolution required for video means FF isn't required). I use 4/3rds and FF bodies for both Stills & Video.
Its the poor low light performance compared to FF thats kills any APSC or MFT for me. I need to be able to shoot well at 10,000 ISO or higher for the indoor event, band, and night city shooting I do.
my ff pentax glass from 20-30 years ago is half the weight of some of these mirrorless ff lenses coming out
It's great to have Chris to represent people with smaller hands or fingers, and he often has different ergonomic impressions for this reason. Which camera was it that he couldn't reach the front buttons for?
However, many reviewers have had precisely the opposite response - stating that the ergonomics afforded all day shooting far more readily than they'd expected.
Basically, photographers with small hands should attend to Chris' impressions, and those with larger hands can attend to other people's impressions.
Perhaps Jordan should weigh in on ergonomics.
I think I'd watch ye guys review fingernail cuttings and still watch every second. ✂️💅
Great stuff guys
10:41 is that rust on the mount?
Chorizo
Love this one! Great job!
Great video as always .
No flip out screen. They pulled on Sony (or Fuji) on it?
11:15 how did you shoot the 37mm on the 70-200 f4? best regards your Jonathan Frakes
Love you guys
Where did you get that hat at 9:00? Great style!
Great review 👍 I just think the hole panasonic s1 system is to big..the lenses and the body are so much larger than the eos r, a7 and z6/7
decent camera, but the af jitter is a deal bracker, considering that other brands resolved the af problems by now
probably you can use it in manual focus mode , but no cine lenses yet and the lenses provided may not have a linear focus
On the subject of lenses: 2 out of the 3 lenses have Olympus pro style manual focus clutches, and therefore proper MF capability. Also all Focus by Wire lenses can be set to a linear focus response in the camera settings. You can even change the focus throw to smthng like 300°. And Adapters to PL (and EF) will probably be out very fast
Are there regular sock puppets here from large rival corporations, or am I being paranoid?
Who’s going to buy this as opposed to an A9 or a Z7? I just don’t see a market for this camera.
I looked at both those cameras, and the Z series is appealling. However, I've got ART lenses and M lenses, and although I primarily shoot Fuji, I'm also familiar with Panasonic and shoot Foveon, so these L Mount Alliance cameras are perfect for me. I like the size/durability, and hope that Sigma's FF Foveon is also large (I use Fuji for agility.)
The EVF suits the M lenses, and Sigma are releasing an EF-L first-party adaptor which has native performance and 100% compatibility (in this interview they stated that they changed the L mount protocols specifically for ideal performance - something they couldn't do with E mount etc, yet can do as first-party to the Alliance: www.imaging-resource.com/news/2018/10/02/sigma-interview-photokina-2018-ceo-kazuto-yamaki-give-peek-l-mount-alliance )
For me, buying additional lenses will be optional. Apart from all the existing ART lenses, Sigma stated that they will design a new line for the L mount, and it's possible that they will be exclusive to the L mount, or perform better on L than E due to the mount advantages ("Value-angle" as Fuji call it, and diameter, of course.)
Besides the autofocus and some smaller almost but not quite there things this is like the perfect camera. I love the xqd/uhs-2 combo, the lighted buttons (though more lighted would be better), and the vertical grip where it doesn't have to be inserted into the battery compartment but instead just uses like Pogo pins or something to connect externally. Wish though that it had better autofocus and speed. Sony if you're reading take these cameras and put your autofocus, lens mount, and speed on these and make this the gen 4 7 and 7rs.
Full frame mirrorless presents a huge challenge for all three manufacturers releasing them for the first time. I think it will be extremely important for Panasonic to define their target consumers for these cameras, as well as the broader L-mount lens system licensed by Leica to Panasonic and Sigma. There is much promise here.
The AF performance IS a big question for still photographers. Serious videographers will likely give it a pass, because we pull focus manually anyway. Time will tell whether Panasonic is able to improve CDAF with firmware upgrades.
I think it looks like the perfect manual focus camera. I've been holding out for a camera to use my M lenses with, and this is ideal. One of the reviewers mentioned a manual focus PIP mode which was different to any he'd seen before, and he found particularly useful.
The AF woes don't apply to AF-S for Panasonic, and never have, and we all know that firmware upgrades for AF are now standard thanks to Fuji's Kaizen philosophy. ruclips.net/video/Z8lZgPimNjI/видео.html
Based upon the disinformation and dissent, I think that the large rivals are worried about the L Mount Alliance.
I'm interested to see what the video-focussed S camera will be like, and guessing that it will release after the A7SIII (which, ironically, has had a delayed release to respond to these two cameras.) I was surprised that the X-T3 had better bit-rates than these ones, so I'm guessing that they were saving those for an SV1.
So excite for deep review in video aspect.
Does it have the post focus feature?
That screen was the weakest link coming from GH. The S1h seems to have picked up the ball on that fumble.
Guess Chris doesn't want to fall in love with the S1 as yet. A few errors which is understandable. You CAN extend the S1 and S1R to ISO50 if desired, so the Nikon does NOT have an advantage over it. The pulsing you're seeing is a direct result of the firmware NOT being finalized as yet. It is not the way Panasonic wishes to represent their focus lock. I've already seen several video's taken with a few folks that have slightly later firmware and now shows NO pulsing or fluctuation of the focus locking and it even tracks movement superior to the Nikon's as well. Here's to hoping the very final firmware will nail it altogether.
You can push any 10 year old camera to 50, it doesn't mean it's anything like the Nikon feature, where ISO 64 is a native higher DR/lower noise mode.
@@EbrahimSaadawii you can dream
who is gonna buy this camera ?
Me
Me
A buffoon
dentists/surgeons/lawyers/pana-fans
Was this shot with the Fuji?