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Vienna Sbahn is kinda like the Zurich one. Nowhere near as large but they're basically regional trains that pass through the middle of the city that you can take (except S45, that's probably the only dedicated S-Bahn line in the city). They stretch quite far out of Vienna, connecting nearby (or not very nearby) towns etc. They can be double decker as well. No first class in S-Bahn tho :(
@@nicolasblume1046 I mean I'm not advocating 1st class, it was just a joke lol. S-Bahn trains in Vienna are pretty comfy anyway as long as you can sit lol, which is pretty hard on S7 or on other lines during rush hour
Fun fact: there is a S-Bahn line in Belgium, S41, that stretches all the way to Aachen, Germany. Still, Germany refuses to call it S-Bahn but calls it RE29 (even though it crosses the border to Belgium directly before/after Aachen HBF). Maybe that’s due to it (and a lot of S-trains in Belgium) not having anything to do with the way the S-Bahn system is seen in Germany ;)
Another (very specific) fun Fact: some trains from the Oberösterreichs S2 continue as regional services to Salzburg where they again become S2 trains on Salzburgs network
I honestly don't blame them. I generally like how the Belgian S-train/GEN network has tried to revitalise regional lines and I get that with the size of the investments a full German-style S-train is impossible, but it's still frustrating how the current network doesn't even live up to the potential that actually is there
This! BART was always, since inception designed and built as a suburban commuter train with near-metro frequencies and infrastructure but covering its entire metro region. So an S-bahn! I think Americans are just unfamiliar with the concept with only one true S-bahn existing in the entire country (BART) and two kinda-sorta S-bahns that lean more into not-so-good urban metro with too much focus on the suburbs (DC Metrorail and MARTA). So to avoid confusion, everyone just chalked BART to being a weird and not very good metro system/"subway". Which it very clearly isn't and can't be.
Warsaw SKM is also widely supplemented by Koleje Mazowieckie (Masovian Rail), as within borders of city fares KM trains are included in the bog standard city transport ticket, as is with SKM and metro. This adds some extra directions and more frequency - integration is good and within the agglomeration user side of things is largely seamless. The biggest difference is organisational, since KM is ran by state railways and SKM is purely done by city's transport authority - we had our own years of rail transport crashing into effects of neolib austerity back in the '00s and SKM system is largely just city authorities taking rail transport into their own hands, due to disarray in the central railways back in those days. And those caught up so now we have two pretty good networks. Another quirk of our system is WKD - Warsaw Commuter Railway, which is a remnant of a pre-war, private commuter rail serving smaller communities along Warsaw-Łódź axis, that was nationalized in the socialist era but never 100% integrated, mostly due to technical quirks (tram-like 600V? In MY trains?!) leaving it structurally separate and also kinda... so ancient that when SKM came around, we kinda made this modern s-bahn without noticing that WKD was basically a proto-s-bahn with most of appropriate traits and formed exactly when early s-bahns formed? And so, now it's just a weird line that has its own stock and culture (and a cool logo).
Ukraine now also has S-Bahn. Kyiv City Express has been operating for many years, but it was in terrible condition, but a few years ago it was renovated, and now it is a very good system. Dnipro City Express was recently opened, and they also plan to open Kharkiv City Express. Also please don't forget about London (Overground and Elizabeth Line)
Regarding the Copenhagen S-tog: 1: it's pronounced more like S-tow or maybe S-toe. In Danish, g is usually softened to a 'w' sound if placed at the end of a syllable. 2: there are no current plans or even discussions to extend S-train service to the airport. However, there are serious deliberations about building a second city-centre tunnel, often referred to as the "express tunnel" because it would have a more direct route and fewer stops than the current tunnel. 3: the F line will be the first to be fully automated, but current plans are to make ALL the lines fully automated. 4: the tram/light rail line on Ring 3 is already nearing completion and will open its first stage in late 2025, with the rest opening in 2026.
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I would like to correct a minor inaccuracy at the start of the video as someone who personally experienced it: the S-Bahn Oberösterreich didn't exactly *go into service* in 2016, but rather several regional train services were partially or entirely rebranded as S-Bahn with no actual change in their schedules. As a result, it "already" having 5 lines isn't particularly noteworthy since it started with those when the S-Bahn rebranding happened.
Pretty interesting watch. As a Copenhager I'll just mention though that no. We have no S-bahn planned to the airport. In fact the S-train in Copenhagen is generally pretty neglected with subpar passenger facilities, often left in a bad shape. Plus overpriced tickets of course. But on the other hand whether we like it or not, it is one of the only profitable urban rail systems in the world. It actually earns its own money to pay for itself without subsidies. There are some extensions proposed though. Namely 3. First one is extending the B line further west from Høje Taastrup to Roskilde. This has been debated for decades but there finally seems to be some support for it. Whether it'll last IDK. Second one is converting the Kystbanen regional line to Helsingør to an S-bahn route. The Kystbanen line sees heavy delays and struggling to be attractive to commuters. S-bahn convertion was resisted in the past since the area it runs through is the Whiskey belt, one of the poshest in the whole country. And the rich people there saw the S-bahn as being for the "Poor plebs". But now theres more support, though these rich Nimbys would likely still resist against any kind of disruption or construction needed to actually convert the line. Third and finally is a rather recent proposal to extend the B line in the north from Farum up to Hillerød. Hillerød is one of the fastest growing exurbs with tonnes of jobs, and there is a local desire to provide better connectivity up there. Still aside from this the S-train isnt really the lovechild here. That however tends to be the Metro. We do have big plans for automation though, upgrading the whole system to driverless operation by 2037. But this is driven more by a desire to minimize operational expenses than anything else. Still it allows frequencies to be increased from every 10 minutes to every 7.5, though likely at the expense of some of the express services speed.
@TFTSB Yeah. Hopefully it'll be easier in the future when there's hopefully also faster and more direct rail services to and from Copenhagen. Getting to anywhere else in Europe from here by train is a bit of a pain, but my will and desire for whats better will not be slain.
@@drdewott9154 i mean, the rail line between hamburg and copenhagen during the day is pretty good!! the overnight one however is the worst train ive ever been on. takes twice as long (due to freight trains i think? we did a lot of scheduled standing still) and the rolling stock was so old, i still had back pains 3 days later... also, one thing i really want to give the copenhagen s-bahn is the silence areas!!!! genuinely, the rest of the world could learn something from that. those things make it sooooooo much more comfortable to travel anywhere (in my case, from hillerod to copenhagen on 4 hours of sleep xD)
Glad to see that at least some people realize that BART is an S-bahn rather than a metro/"subway"! Americans usually have no conception of what an S-bahn even is. It's kind of comical that they think that a "metro system" can serve three different major cities in two different metro areas 100 kms apart and still be considered a metro. My German uncle immediately recognized it as an S-bahn when he was visiting a long time ago. Hilariously, when he got lost solo in SF he kept trying to ask for directions to the nearest "S-bahn station" to get back to our place in the East Bay. This was in the before times, before smartphones and when BART wasn't on any of the Muni maps yet. Eventually he found a local Austrian woman who showed him the way to BART 😁😁😁
I have something more about the S-Bahn in Vienna. S-Bahn in Austria actually stands for Schnellbahn (speed train), in Germany it is Stadtbahn (City train). And Vienna actually used to have Stadtbahn, it was light train system developed in 1890's. In the 1960's the current Schnellbahn system was put into operation. The former Stadtbahn was converted to U-bahn lines U4 and U6, the Vorortelinie was converted to S45. And the U6 is still quite similar to the old Stadtbahn system. It has trains that are more like what used to run on the Stadtbahn than the ones that run on the U-Bahn now, plus most of the line is above ground and has the original Otto von Wagner stations
That's not actually true. In Hamburg, for instance, S-Bahn is also short for Schnellbahn. Stadtbahn is typically a term used for tramtrain/express tram services
The S7 will never be able to stretch to Bratislava because not only have the rail lines that existed prior to the Iron Curtain been dismantled between Austria's last station at Wolfsthal and the border, but the land has been sold off. Sadly, this happened with many border-crossing lines. Both Vienna-Bratislava and Vienna-Brno have their most direct connection made impossible, but both city pairs are connected by two other rail lines that go left and right the most direct one. For Bratislava it's the Vienna-Marchegg-Bratislava line north of the S7 and the Vienna-Bratislava Petržalka line south of the S7.
Also one pick per country haha! Has Philly really improved much? I honestly don't feel super well informed on the current state of SEPTA, so my general thoughts are a few years old haha
@ they relabeled the routes and made fare payment more transity but not fully integrated. They act like using the same fare card as the subway is integration, it’s not. But through routed electric trains does make it an aspiring sbahn.
6:42 is an aerial shot of Venice, not Copenhagen. Also as Hamburger I have to defend Hamburgs "Venice of the North" title, so don't come up with some "but Copenhagen is the Venice of the North" excuse! ;) otherwise great video as always!
I so thought you were gonna do Philly! It literally has suburban trains through-running through a center city tunnel and had the S naming scheme until a decade ago (tho granted with R). If I had to pick one it would be theirs, tho BART would be my second choice
@TFTSB Yup, the S wasn't for SEPTA! When the center city tunnel was built in the 1980s, connecting the former Pennsylvania and Reading RRs, services from the former Pennsylvania and Reading were combined into a theough-running service named from R1 to R8. The service patterns was designed by the University of Pennsylvania and was directly inspired by German S-Bahn naming conventions and service patterns. The service patterns are mostly the same today, however, they axed the unified name in 2010 in order to allow for trains to change lines easier as needed. Trains change names at Suburban Station. A Media/Wawa Line train changes it's name to a West Trenton line train at Suburban. They used to be known together as the R3, but now have separate names, even if most of the time, they are the same service. I do wish they kept the unified naming, but perhaps one day it will return. They've renamed all their other lines to a similar style after all
When I went to Zürich, I fell in love with its S-Bahn system. I wish we had a system like that in the Rhine-Neckar-Region, especially as the relation between Zürich and Winterthur may also be applied to Ludwigshafen/Mannheim and Heidelberg. The S-Bahn Rhine-Neckar also operates more regional-like trains, with most of them being class 425 "Quietschie" units (as a train fan, I love their sound, but I still think they are too loud for most commuters). Currently, half of the trains do not even run, because the central control centre has severe staff shortages. Additionally, I know that the S-Bahn Rhine-Neckar has a decent number of lines, but it really pales compared to the coverage of Zürichs network.
If you'd like to travel back in time make sure to check out the Hungarian S-Bahn network. In my country its actually called HÉV (Helyi Érdekű Vasút) which translates to local railway, but it basically is an S-Bahn system, even english translations convert it to S-Bahn. My guess as to why it isn't called that is because it is definetly not fast lol, Vmax 80 km/h in the BEST case.
SEPTA, Cal Train, Smart or Tex Rail would be some North American S Bahn System and BART is actually a pretty intelligently designed Metro Network. The Concept of an fast, regional Metro is ideal for a massive, decentralized, low dense Metropolitan Area like the BA. Systems like BART were role models for other Metro Networks like in Helsinki, Sydney, Hongkong or Singapur.
I fairly often use the Belgian "s" trains; and while it's a good system, it's also not much more than a rebranding of the old L (local) trains. They don't have the frequency nor the use the German and Austrian S bahnen have. They have little to do with metros and are much more just half hourly stop trains.
We in Czechia has actually more S-bahn, not only in Prague. There is also S-bahn in Brno/South Moravian region, Ostrava/Moravia-Silesian region. And the S-bahn styled L-line in Liberec region, U-bahn in Ústí nad Labem region, P-bahn in Pilsner region and V-bahn in the Hradec Králové region.
And non is an actual S-bahn. Placing a letter S on the information pannel doesn´t make it an S-bahn. All of them are just normal commuter trains with low frequencies and serving a given region (like in Austria). So if anything you can call it regional S-bahn. Only "system" that can be somewhat referred to as S-bahn is the Prague one with higher frequencies and serving not only the region but the innercity as well. It will become a real S-Bahn when the city tunnels and an airport connection is built.
@geography_czek5699 I live in the city of Poděbrady. S-bahn S2 line here from Prague to Kolín runs ever 1 hour. So it doesn't look like an S-bahn by your deffinition. While some S-bahn lines around Brno runs every 30 minuts 🤷
@@Patrikch100 That´s why I wouldn´t personally call neither an S-Bahn. The word S-Bahn really lost its original German meaning it got in Berlin with the introduction of these regional "S-Bahns" in Austria. But at least in Austria they are still centrally terminating in some regional capital therefore mostly serving their metropolitan region. But Czechia took it even further naming every single commuter train line on the grounds of given region with Sx (Lx, Ux...). So yes you can kinda call the S2, S3, S4, S6 lines in Brno S-bahn. But calling lines like S8, S81, S82 etc. as S-bahn is just nonsense imo.
hey, I just randomly found this video and found it interesting. I liked it. I was just wondering if the Dublin DART could also be considered a sort of S-bahn
I would add Barcelona to this list, because by these measures it has TWO S-Bahn systems: - Rodalies de Catalunya (serves the whole province of Barcelona and beyond) is operated by RENFE and has two city center tunnels (and is extremely underfunded, undermaintained and unreliable btw) - Ferrocarrils de Generalitat (FGC) has two seperate networks of lines that offer Metro L services, Suburban S services and commuter R services. The two networks will be connected soon and they both also have city center tunnels. But they are more like interurbans with frequent stops and lots of service, maybe comparable to Tokyos through-running metro lines
Spanish Cercanías systems should have been included! Especially Madrid and Barcelona's (renamed there as Rodalies after transferring the system management to the Catalan government)
You forgot the entire train network of the Dutch railways! All jokes aside I find it weird that the Netherlands has no specified S-train system, the randstad would be more interesting with one
@@TFTSB i honestly feel like between the trains and metros, amsterdam already has enough rail lines - the city isnt *that* big. it wouldnt really make sense for the city itself. the surrounding areas could benefit, but then again, our Sprinters are basically already an s-bahn, they just need to up the frequency haha
Utrecht is the only city which has kind of an S-bahn system, only it isn’t called that because national rail isn’t integrated with the lightrail system. But looking at the sprinter trains around Utrecht, it mostly are short routes with 10-15-20-30min frequency. And to add, our trains don’t have line numbers so a network isn’t very visible.
Nice video! Just so you know tho, the map and footage you gave for the Milan Passante is incredibly outdated… The network has more lines, expanded significantly, and has a different livery now
19:11 "I've come to make an announcement, BART is the only North American S-Bahn, those WMATA and MARTA b*tches are just metros, they are and will never be S-Bahns."
Would you consider SEPTA’s Regional Rail system as a top consideration for a North American S-Bahn? While WMATA is a subway in much of DC, always struck some of us as having a lot in common with an S-Bahn through design. What are your thoughts here?
@@TFTSB our advocacy strongly favors adaptation of commuter rail into S-Bahn. We published a recommendation a few years ago on that to be a long term plan for RTD.
Also from my experience when you want to get somewhere on the SKM network you're much more likely to get a KM (regio) because there's much more of them and Warsaw transport tickets are valid on them.
Coming from Kraków which does not have a classical s-train network I see how important these are. Regional trains going through Kraków are absolutely overpacked with people while on Warsaw it's way more tolerable
Yes, BART *is* an S-Bahn. It's not frequent enough to be a real metro. It's carriages are too heavy for most metros. It's stops are too far apart for a good metro. It runs way faster (in some sections) than a typical metro. It's an S-Bahn or RER type system. SEPTA (in Philadelphia) is also an S-Bahn. City center (Center City?) tunnel. A few stops within the urban city connecting out to the suburbs, both within city limits and in surrounding towns. Trains that run through the center instead of starting or stopping their trips at a terminal. Sadly, it's an S-Bahn with lousy service. Metra is a heritage railroad.
It's a shame us folks in the UK haven't made the list... We certainly have the potential to have some proper S Bahn/RER style newtorks however there doesn't seem to be a great deal of uniformity in terms of branding, although this will probably change with re-nationalisation. I definately think that Glasgow could be a good contender for this sort of system as they already have two core city centre tunnels as well as numerous suburban branches and express running in many areas. All it would need really is a proper brand, better integration with Glasgow's other modes and a slightly more consistent timetable.
@@TheRandCrews I don't really see the Overground as an S Bahn as such as it doesn't nessecarily have a "core" section where most routes converge. I can see the comparisons with the Elizabeth Line & Thameslink though!
Helsinki has a suburban train system with a 10-minute peak frequency on each line. The lines extend outward from the central station and have dedicated tracks on the Ring Line, which opened in 2015 and goes around the northern suburbs tunneling under the airport, as well as next to the main lines up to Kerava and Leppävaara. There are also new dedicated tracks under construction between the Leppävaara and Kauklahti stations. There have also been plans for a tunnel looping around the city centre, but it has been halted for a long time.
I'm from Czechia and yea you can be more critical about České dráhy it's a rollercoaster, of good things and bad things 😅 Czech locals even changed the slogan for a meme from "České dráhy national operator" to "České dráhy enough time" xd 😂
A surprising place with s-bahn style service is Glasgow, together with 2 (yes, two!) city centre tunnels. Take that, Munich! (although they had the big brain idea to end the two tunnels in a single 2-track station, so not much benefit comes out of those tunnels)
Prague s bahn (esko) is going to the airport. Ostrava has an s bahn line to Ostrava Mošnov airport. Im really excited that the esko will go to prague airport
Great video, though unfortunately you gave me an heart attack with how you said "Vorarlberg" and "Vorortelinie". I gotta admit though there are easier words to say
There’s another type of commuter railway like the Sbahns in Sweden, mostly known one is in Stockholm where the commuter rail covers four different cities, Uppsala the 4th biggest city with Södertälje and Kungsängen to the west with the port city of Nynäshamn where you can change to ferries. The entire of Sweden has different types if commuter rails, the city of Gothenburg and Malmö has the more extensive networks though using the pre existing railways built by SJ (the Swedish state railways), though a new project has been launched between Malmö and the neighbouring city of Lund where 4 tracks is being built to increase capacity. Just wanted to brief you on that as well since they’re pretty extensive for being Sbahn style.
Yeah, Stockholm operates their commuter rail with 30 min frequency but since most lines are doubled you mostly get 15 mins, besides you got shelters or canopies at all stations. The Stockholm commuter rail is the oldest (technically) in Scandinavia since SL the transport took over service from the SJ and other railways operator in the region Stockholm that already had their railways since 1800s but wasn’t a thing until 1960s. Besides Stockholm is a nice city and you can’t go anywhere without a bad view, Sweden is built on nature and mountains. Though I recommend visiting in summers, if you’re ready for cold weather then winters are also beautiful it as a swedishowrosn myself I still think winters are cold. 😂 Cool video, I hope you can do videos about the expansive and beautiful railways of Sweden. They’re awesome and there’s still retro feel to the stations (except Uppsala which was modernised). Stockholm Central station has so much retro feel to it and I recommend just being in the platforms looking at the tiles and the old trains. I hope you can visit Sweden, then I can be your guide :).
Considering BART only works by ignoring one extrem important part of S-Bahn networks: Them running on regular rail lines - well, usually improved ones, but none the less standard routes. at least outside the city center. Check Munich, Nürnberg, Frankfurt, etc. Even Berlin when considering how it was developed. BART in contrast is a fully separate, purpose build network. Thus rather a classic Metro. Stretching out the way it is is a result of being in an incredible large urban area.
An interesting point, however while I can't think of fully purpose built S Bahn systems, I can certainly think of major pieces of purpose built S-Bahn infrastructure
@@TFTSB Well, yes, that's the improved part. Just take Munich. While it was already an extensive radial network in he1920s, building the new city tunnel (and finally naming as such) turned it into a modern S-Bahn system. One starting with mostly the same size as today, but since then many lines have been either double tracked, or had dedicated S-Bahn tracks added beside regular rail tracks to cope with increased traffic. S-Bahn is rather a rail service than a different system. The fact that an S-Bahn systems are originally build on top of an existing (regional) rail network is the major distinction between them and subway/metro lines. A quick look at any German city operating a subway/metro system and an S-Bahn does support it. Even in Berlin, mother of all S-Bahn, where the S-Bahn uses (almost) the same technology as the U-Bahn (aka third rail, train size, etc.), one (U) is purpose build, while the other is build on top of existing ail infrastructure. Of course the argument isn't (as so often) reversible. A dedicated system isn't neccessary a Metro/U-Bahn, as in many places they are often modified Trams. Frankfurt and Stuttgart being maybe the best examples as many lins in their U-Bahn networks are continue to be streetcar lines. So distinction is directed, working only for S-Bahn vs. Metro.
Pretty much all of BART was built in old freight right of ways. So it's still fundamentally a regional rail system built on top of the old standard gauge freight rail of yesteryear.
@@TFTSB As someone who has lived in Europe and Philly you're just wrong here :) No worries, if you are ever in philly you should definitely check it out!!
The Moscow Central Diameters are an awesome system. It may not be a traditional S-Bahn as it shares track with other regional trains (that are integrated into the MCD in terms of schedule and fares), but I'd say that's for the better because these routes also get frequent service thanks to this integration.
Fascist country though. Not interested. Would never go there again so whatever they do in their fascist utopia, nobody from the civilized world cares. But hey, maybe their new North Korean soldiers will like to ride it when they're off from the front in Russia's imperialist invasion of a neighboring country.
About the planned CA-HSR/BART connection I guess maybe you mean the BART expansion in the South Bay. AFAIK for SF the plan is Caltrain and CA-HSR will extend to the (Salesforce) transit center but like now, still a few blocks south of the Montgomery BART/Muni station.
The BART to CAHSR/Caltrain connection in downtown SF is actually only going to be 800 ft (250 meters) via an underground tunnel between the Salesforce Transit Center and the Montgomery BART/Muni station. The two stations are actually just two short SF blocks away from each other and the whole thing will happen underground without having to cross streets or to ascend all the way to the surface. The transfer shouldn't take more than 3 minutes, which is completely normal even for a transfer between metro lines, let alone HSR and metro/local rail. God knows there are muuuuuuuch worse transfers all over Europe and Asia. For context, the length of this transfer will be just about the same as the BART to T line transfer at Powell Station and should take about the same 3 minutes.
@@TFTSB perhaps you need to be quick. ... The rolling stock is currently being changed for new ... now may be a good time to experience both old and new. However i dont know the current roll out syatus.
I’m wondering where to categorise the London Overground. It’s definitely not a metro system, it’s heavy rail, and it’s not run as a mainline or suburban commuter railway. Thameslink and the Elizabeth Line (and Crossrail 2, when it happens) are better fits for a proper RER system. In my head I often think of it as an S-Bahn like system, but if there’s a better classification I’d love to know.
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Vienna Sbahn is kinda like the Zurich one. Nowhere near as large but they're basically regional trains that pass through the middle of the city that you can take (except S45, that's probably the only dedicated S-Bahn line in the city). They stretch quite far out of Vienna, connecting nearby (or not very nearby) towns etc. They can be double decker as well. No first class in S-Bahn tho :(
S80 also only runs within the city limits
It's very good that there is no first class, high capacity should be the priority.
In Germany some S-Bahn have first class, it's mostly empty
@@nicolasblume1046 I mean I'm not advocating 1st class, it was just a joke lol. S-Bahn trains in Vienna are pretty comfy anyway as long as you can sit lol, which is pretty hard on S7 or on other lines during rush hour
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S45 is not the only line to stay fully in Vienna city limits, other one is also S80 starting at Wien Hütteldorf and ending at Wien Aspern Nord
You are correct - though I could've sworn it was longer while researching this. Oversight on my end
@@TFTSB no problem, keep up the good work! Loved the vid
Fun fact: there is a S-Bahn line in Belgium, S41, that stretches all the way to Aachen, Germany. Still, Germany refuses to call it S-Bahn but calls it RE29 (even though it crosses the border to Belgium directly before/after Aachen HBF). Maybe that’s due to it (and a lot of S-trains in Belgium) not having anything to do with the way the S-Bahn system is seen in Germany ;)
Another (very specific) fun Fact: some trains from the Oberösterreichs S2 continue as regional services to Salzburg where they again become S2 trains on Salzburgs network
Oh that's quite cool! Sounds worth a video of its own
I honestly don't blame them. I generally like how the Belgian S-train/GEN network has tried to revitalise regional lines and I get that with the size of the investments a full German-style S-train is impossible, but it's still frustrating how the current network doesn't even live up to the potential that actually is there
I never realised, bart was supposed to be a metro. My impression has always been, that this was a quite capable S-Bahn equivalent system
Me too! Like, mediocre metro, damn good S Bahn
This! BART was always, since inception designed and built as a suburban commuter train with near-metro frequencies and infrastructure but covering its entire metro region. So an S-bahn!
I think Americans are just unfamiliar with the concept with only one true S-bahn existing in the entire country (BART) and two kinda-sorta S-bahns that lean more into not-so-good urban metro with too much focus on the suburbs (DC Metrorail and MARTA). So to avoid confusion, everyone just chalked BART to being a weird and not very good metro system/"subway". Which it very clearly isn't and can't be.
Warsaw SKM is also widely supplemented by Koleje Mazowieckie (Masovian Rail), as within borders of city fares KM trains are included in the bog standard city transport ticket, as is with SKM and metro. This adds some extra directions and more frequency - integration is good and within the agglomeration user side of things is largely seamless. The biggest difference is organisational, since KM is ran by state railways and SKM is purely done by city's transport authority - we had our own years of rail transport crashing into effects of neolib austerity back in the '00s and SKM system is largely just city authorities taking rail transport into their own hands, due to disarray in the central railways back in those days. And those caught up so now we have two pretty good networks.
Another quirk of our system is WKD - Warsaw Commuter Railway, which is a remnant of a pre-war, private commuter rail serving smaller communities along Warsaw-Łódź axis, that was nationalized in the socialist era but never 100% integrated, mostly due to technical quirks (tram-like 600V? In MY trains?!) leaving it structurally separate and also kinda... so ancient that when SKM came around, we kinda made this modern s-bahn without noticing that WKD was basically a proto-s-bahn with most of appropriate traits and formed exactly when early s-bahns formed? And so, now it's just a weird line that has its own stock and culture (and a cool logo).
Ukraine now also has S-Bahn. Kyiv City Express has been operating for many years, but it was in terrible condition, but a few years ago it was renovated, and now it is a very good system. Dnipro City Express was recently opened, and they also plan to open Kharkiv City Express.
Also please don't forget about London (Overground and Elizabeth Line)
I mean the overground isn't really s-bahn like but the thameslink is
Regarding the Copenhagen S-tog:
1: it's pronounced more like S-tow or maybe S-toe. In Danish, g is usually softened to a 'w' sound if placed at the end of a syllable.
2: there are no current plans or even discussions to extend S-train service to the airport. However, there are serious deliberations about building a second city-centre tunnel, often referred to as the "express tunnel" because it would have a more direct route and fewer stops than the current tunnel.
3: the F line will be the first to be fully automated, but current plans are to make ALL the lines fully automated.
4: the tram/light rail line on Ring 3 is already nearing completion and will open its first stage in late 2025, with the rest opening in 2026.
I will never understand why, why have americans turned the name of a city into a word for dick? I mean, that's like me turning Chicago or New York into a german word for penis. Well, maybe I should do just that.
I've heard "Florida" used as a synonym for shit
@TFTSB wait, that kind of makes sense, because of the shape
@TFTSB but as a European, the shape based geographic sysonym that would most make sense would be Scandinavia. Damn it
Ah Scandinavia - the strongest shape
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Just do what you want really. All your videos were pretty good so far.
Fair enougg
@@TFTSB
I just noticed how not good "pretty good" sounds. You´re vids are great, I´m just bad at articulating that. And what I mean to say is that you should just be doing what you want because I think that is more important. Though i must admit, people for whom this is a major source of income do need to balance what they enjoy with what makes money. So I guess: Do what ever suits you best (and don´t burn out please).
I promise I didn't think it was bad at all! And don't worry, I'm balancing the time I spend on this project with other hobbies and passions as well!
Yessss let’s fucking gooo. Finally BART is getting the recognition it deserves as an S-Bahn 😂
It's a good S Bahn but a mediocre metro haha
@ we don’t call it a metro. If you think of it as anything other than an S-Bahn, it ruins the fun
I would like to correct a minor inaccuracy at the start of the video as someone who personally experienced it: the S-Bahn Oberösterreich didn't exactly *go into service* in 2016, but rather several regional train services were partially or entirely rebranded as S-Bahn with no actual change in their schedules. As a result, it "already" having 5 lines isn't particularly noteworthy since it started with those when the S-Bahn rebranding happened.
But not totally uncommon for an S -Bahn! The Hamburg S4, for instance, is mostly just taking over the existing RB81 route
Pretty interesting watch. As a Copenhager I'll just mention though that no. We have no S-bahn planned to the airport. In fact the S-train in Copenhagen is generally pretty neglected with subpar passenger facilities, often left in a bad shape. Plus overpriced tickets of course. But on the other hand whether we like it or not, it is one of the only profitable urban rail systems in the world. It actually earns its own money to pay for itself without subsidies.
There are some extensions proposed though. Namely 3.
First one is extending the B line further west from Høje Taastrup to Roskilde. This has been debated for decades but there finally seems to be some support for it. Whether it'll last IDK.
Second one is converting the Kystbanen regional line to Helsingør to an S-bahn route. The Kystbanen line sees heavy delays and struggling to be attractive to commuters. S-bahn convertion was resisted in the past since the area it runs through is the Whiskey belt, one of the poshest in the whole country. And the rich people there saw the S-bahn as being for the "Poor plebs". But now theres more support, though these rich Nimbys would likely still resist against any kind of disruption or construction needed to actually convert the line.
Third and finally is a rather recent proposal to extend the B line in the north from Farum up to Hillerød. Hillerød is one of the fastest growing exurbs with tonnes of jobs, and there is a local desire to provide better connectivity up there.
Still aside from this the S-train isnt really the lovechild here. That however tends to be the Metro.
We do have big plans for automation though, upgrading the whole system to driverless operation by 2037. But this is driven more by a desire to minimize operational expenses than anything else. Still it allows frequencies to be increased from every 10 minutes to every 7.5, though likely at the expense of some of the express services speed.
Miss on my part! I'll try to dig up the source on that. I feel like Copenhagen, though, is a city I could best cover more on-location
@TFTSB Yeah. Hopefully it'll be easier in the future when there's hopefully also faster and more direct rail services to and from Copenhagen. Getting to anywhere else in Europe from here by train is a bit of a pain, but my will and desire for whats better will not be slain.
@@drdewott9154 i mean, the rail line between hamburg and copenhagen during the day is pretty good!! the overnight one however is the worst train ive ever been on. takes twice as long (due to freight trains i think? we did a lot of scheduled standing still) and the rolling stock was so old, i still had back pains 3 days later...
also, one thing i really want to give the copenhagen s-bahn is the silence areas!!!! genuinely, the rest of the world could learn something from that. those things make it sooooooo much more comfortable to travel anywhere (in my case, from hillerod to copenhagen on 4 hours of sleep xD)
Glad to see that at least some people realize that BART is an S-bahn rather than a metro/"subway"! Americans usually have no conception of what an S-bahn even is. It's kind of comical that they think that a "metro system" can serve three different major cities in two different metro areas 100 kms apart and still be considered a metro.
My German uncle immediately recognized it as an S-bahn when he was visiting a long time ago. Hilariously, when he got lost solo in SF he kept trying to ask for directions to the nearest "S-bahn station" to get back to our place in the East Bay. This was in the before times, before smartphones and when BART wasn't on any of the Muni maps yet. Eventually he found a local Austrian woman who showed him the way to BART 😁😁😁
That's a really wholesome story!
Thats quite a creative video idea❤
Glad you liked it!
I have something more about the S-Bahn in Vienna.
S-Bahn in Austria actually stands for Schnellbahn (speed train), in Germany it is Stadtbahn (City train). And Vienna actually used to have Stadtbahn, it was light train system developed in 1890's. In the 1960's the current Schnellbahn system was put into operation. The former Stadtbahn was converted to U-bahn lines U4 and U6, the Vorortelinie was converted to S45. And the U6 is still quite similar to the old Stadtbahn system. It has trains that are more like what used to run on the Stadtbahn than the ones that run on the U-Bahn now, plus most of the line is above ground and has the original Otto von Wagner stations
That's not actually true. In Hamburg, for instance, S-Bahn is also short for Schnellbahn. Stadtbahn is typically a term used for tramtrain/express tram services
TFTSB: I'm not an alcoholic, this Sekt bottle is filled with water.
also TFTSB: "this mug has wine in it"
Both these statements can be true!
The S7 will never be able to stretch to Bratislava because not only have the rail lines that existed prior to the Iron Curtain been dismantled between Austria's last station at Wolfsthal and the border, but the land has been sold off. Sadly, this happened with many border-crossing lines. Both Vienna-Bratislava and Vienna-Brno have their most direct connection made impossible, but both city pairs are connected by two other rail lines that go left and right the most direct one. For Bratislava it's the Vienna-Marchegg-Bratislava line north of the S7 and the Vienna-Bratislava Petržalka line south of the S7.
That makes me sad
G/VG video. I like your take on BART. You left out Philthydelphia I guess due to poor headways. But it’s new and improved with turnstiles downtown.
Also one pick per country haha! Has Philly really improved much? I honestly don't feel super well informed on the current state of SEPTA, so my general thoughts are a few years old haha
@ they relabeled the routes and made fare payment more transity but not fully integrated. They act like using the same fare card as the subway is integration, it’s not. But through routed electric trains does make it an aspiring sbahn.
We can call it "S-Bahn in progress". Perhaps similar to GO in Toronto - who, ironically, is having some operations taken over by a DB subsidiary haha
6:42 is an aerial shot of Venice, not Copenhagen. Also as Hamburger I have to defend Hamburgs "Venice of the North" title, so don't come up with some "but Copenhagen is the Venice of the North" excuse! ;) otherwise great video as always!
Now that's a dumb oversight on my part...I blame Pexels
I so thought you were gonna do Philly! It literally has suburban trains through-running through a center city tunnel and had the S naming scheme until a decade ago (tho granted with R). If I had to pick one it would be theirs, tho BART would be my second choice
I thought the S there was just for "SEPTA", though I guess it does technically count hahs
@TFTSB Yup, the S wasn't for SEPTA! When the center city tunnel was built in the 1980s, connecting the former Pennsylvania and Reading RRs, services from the former Pennsylvania and Reading were combined into a theough-running service named from R1 to R8. The service patterns was designed by the University of Pennsylvania and was directly inspired by German S-Bahn naming conventions and service patterns. The service patterns are mostly the same today, however, they axed the unified name in 2010 in order to allow for trains to change lines easier as needed. Trains change names at Suburban Station. A Media/Wawa Line train changes it's name to a West Trenton line train at Suburban. They used to be known together as the R3, but now have separate names, even if most of the time, they are the same service. I do wish they kept the unified naming, but perhaps one day it will return. They've renamed all their other lines to a similar style after all
Now I must dive in further! This is fascinating!
When I went to Zürich, I fell in love with its S-Bahn system. I wish we had a system like that in the Rhine-Neckar-Region, especially as the relation between Zürich and Winterthur may also be applied to Ludwigshafen/Mannheim and Heidelberg.
The S-Bahn Rhine-Neckar also operates more regional-like trains, with most of them being class 425 "Quietschie" units (as a train fan, I love their sound, but I still think they are too loud for most commuters). Currently, half of the trains do not even run, because the central control centre has severe staff shortages.
Additionally, I know that the S-Bahn Rhine-Neckar has a decent number of lines, but it really pales compared to the coverage of Zürichs network.
Zürich is truly fantastic. I took a trip there recently and left wishing I could've spent more time there!
Hey! The Kačerov station in Prague has been extended like last week and now has regular service, trains run about every 30 minutes nos
Oh hey that's rad!
Yeah in the Czech Republic we’ve S lines up to S34 I think, most of them are not really S-bahn style but regional trains
Oh that's neat
If you'd like to travel back in time make sure to check out the Hungarian S-Bahn network.
In my country its actually called HÉV (Helyi Érdekű Vasút) which translates to local railway, but it basically is an S-Bahn system, even english translations convert it to S-Bahn.
My guess as to why it isn't called that is because it is definetly not fast lol, Vmax 80 km/h in the BEST case.
Almost sounds more akin to the AKN here in Hamburg
SEPTA, Cal Train, Smart or Tex Rail would be some North American S Bahn System and BART is actually a pretty intelligently designed Metro Network. The Concept of an fast, regional Metro is ideal for a massive, decentralized, low dense Metropolitan Area like the BA. Systems like BART were role models for other Metro Networks like in Helsinki, Sydney, Hongkong or Singapur.
TexRail is nowhere close to an S Bahn system haha! At least in my opinion, having previously lived in Texas
I fairly often use the Belgian "s" trains; and while it's a good system, it's also not much more than a rebranding of the old L (local) trains. They don't have the frequency nor the use the German and Austrian S bahnen have. They have little to do with metros and are much more just half hourly stop trains.
To be fair, even some German S lines are kind of like that. Rhein-Neckar felt that way at points to me, for example
We in Czechia has actually more S-bahn, not only in Prague. There is also S-bahn in Brno/South Moravian region, Ostrava/Moravia-Silesian region. And the S-bahn styled L-line in Liberec region, U-bahn in Ústí nad Labem region, P-bahn in Pilsner region and V-bahn in the Hradec Králové region.
And non is an actual S-bahn. Placing a letter S on the information pannel doesn´t make it an S-bahn. All of them are just normal commuter trains with low frequencies and serving a given region (like in Austria). So if anything you can call it regional S-bahn. Only "system" that can be somewhat referred to as S-bahn is the Prague one with higher frequencies and serving not only the region but the innercity as well. It will become a real S-Bahn when the city tunnels and an airport connection is built.
@geography_czek5699 I live in the city of Poděbrady. S-bahn S2 line here from Prague to Kolín runs ever 1 hour. So it doesn't look like an S-bahn by your deffinition. While some S-bahn lines around Brno runs every 30 minuts 🤷
@@Patrikch100 That´s why I wouldn´t personally call neither an S-Bahn. The word S-Bahn really lost its original German meaning it got in Berlin with the introduction of these regional "S-Bahns" in Austria. But at least in Austria they are still centrally terminating in some regional capital therefore mostly serving their metropolitan region. But Czechia took it even further naming every single commuter train line on the grounds of given region with Sx (Lx, Ux...).
So yes you can kinda call the S2, S3, S4, S6 lines in Brno S-bahn. But calling lines like S8, S81, S82 etc. as S-bahn is just nonsense imo.
@@geography_czek5699 That's why it's not called Brno S-Bahn, but Esko in the South Moravian Region.
@@cmoki-ta Yeah, it doesn´t matter what you call it marketing-wise. But he called it S-bahn.
When I first heard of Paris RER, they only had two lines, not connected.
Oh neat!
hey, I just randomly found this video and found it interesting. I liked it. I was just wondering if the Dublin DART could also be considered a sort of S-bahn
I would add Barcelona to this list, because by these measures it has TWO S-Bahn systems:
- Rodalies de Catalunya (serves the whole province of Barcelona and beyond) is operated by RENFE and has two city center tunnels (and is extremely underfunded, undermaintained and unreliable btw)
- Ferrocarrils de Generalitat (FGC) has two seperate networks of lines that offer Metro L services, Suburban S services and commuter R services. The two networks will be connected soon and they both also have city center tunnels. But they are more like interurbans with frequent stops and lots of service, maybe comparable to Tokyos through-running metro lines
Barcelona is worth a video all its own someday
Spanish Cercanías systems should have been included! Especially Madrid and Barcelona's (renamed there as Rodalies after transferring the system management to the Catalan government)
Always a chance for me to make a part 2 ;)
@@TFTSB Us Spanish fans definetly need this!
You forgot the entire train network of the Dutch railways! All jokes aside I find it weird that the Netherlands has no specified S-train system, the randstad would be more interesting with one
I'm surprised at all! Amsterdam especially shocks me here
@@TFTSB i honestly feel like between the trains and metros, amsterdam already has enough rail lines - the city isnt *that* big. it wouldnt really make sense for the city itself. the surrounding areas could benefit, but then again, our Sprinters are basically already an s-bahn, they just need to up the frequency haha
Utrecht is the only city which has kind of an S-bahn system, only it isn’t called that because national rail isn’t integrated with the lightrail system. But looking at the sprinter trains around Utrecht, it mostly are short routes with 10-15-20-30min frequency. And to add, our trains don’t have line numbers so a network isn’t very visible.
Nice video!
Just so you know tho, the map and footage you gave for the Milan Passante is incredibly outdated… The network has more lines, expanded significantly, and has a different livery now
Thanks for the info!
19:11 "I've come to make an announcement, BART is the only North American S-Bahn, those WMATA and MARTA b*tches are just metros, they are and will never be S-Bahns."
Well, what about SEPTA? I think it might also count as an S-Bahn, although its trains are definitely closer to regional trains.
WMATA pissed on my fucking wife. I'm gonna piss on the moon
@@bahnspotterEU Oh I know, I just wanted to make a parody of the most iconic Sonic Fandub in history.
Mumbai Local and chennai local+mrts also count as S-bahns , right ?
I honestly don't know enough to say. Perhaps I'll visit someday!
I from Copenhagen and i cam say that there is at lest 5 plans to make our s tur networke bigger
Hell yeah
Would you consider SEPTA’s Regional Rail system as a top consideration for a North American S-Bahn? While WMATA is a subway in much of DC, always struck some of us as having a lot in common with an S-Bahn through design. What are your thoughts here?
I actually have a video in the works on this very question! As it turns out, I have a lot of thoughts!
@@TFTSB our advocacy strongly favors adaptation of commuter rail into S-Bahn. We published a recommendation a few years ago on that to be a long term plan for RTD.
I love the design of the SKM trains in Warsaw.
But I'm also totally biased because I live here...
Also from my experience when you want to get somewhere on the SKM network you're much more likely to get a KM (regio) because there's much more of them and Warsaw transport tickets are valid on them.
A fair reason to be biased
Coming from Kraków which does not have a classical s-train network I see how important these are. Regional trains going through Kraków are absolutely overpacked with people while on Warsaw it's way more tolerable
i loved the copenhagen s-bahn because THEY HAVE SILENCE CARRIAGES!! ON AN S-BAHN!! AND THEYRE ACTUALLY SILENT!! an autistic bestie's DREAM lmao
Okay I absolutely love that
missed opportunity to include the comboios urbanos de Lisboa/Porto (Portugal)
Funny to see that head as I was just in and around Lisbon last month 😅
@@TFTSB hope u enjoyed ur stay in my native country
It was really beautiful!
Yes, BART *is* an S-Bahn. It's not frequent enough to be a real metro. It's carriages are too heavy for most metros. It's stops are too far apart for a good metro. It runs way faster (in some sections) than a typical metro. It's an S-Bahn or RER type system.
SEPTA (in Philadelphia) is also an S-Bahn. City center (Center City?) tunnel. A few stops within the urban city connecting out to the suburbs, both within city limits and in surrounding towns. Trains that run through the center instead of starting or stopping their trips at a terminal. Sadly, it's an S-Bahn with lousy service.
Metra is a heritage railroad.
Now now: METRA is hell
to be fair S-Bahn Bern also has first class and double deckers. I take the S1 every day.
Oh sweet
Very disappointed that Cercanías Madrid wasn't in this. The name itself says what it is! (Cercanías is surroundings in Spanish)
Perhaps I'll do a follow up sometime ;)
I feel like Taipei counts and could have jumbled up the list making it more international.
Always room for follow ups!
It's a shame us folks in the UK haven't made the list... We certainly have the potential to have some proper S Bahn/RER style newtorks however there doesn't seem to be a great deal of uniformity in terms of branding, although this will probably change with re-nationalisation. I definately think that Glasgow could be a good contender for this sort of system as they already have two core city centre tunnels as well as numerous suburban branches and express running in many areas. All it would need really is a proper brand, better integration with Glasgow's other modes and a slightly more consistent timetable.
Wouldn’t either the Overground or Thameslink count? Othe rpricate operators usually just terminate in the various terminals in London
@@TheRandCrews I don't really see the Overground as an S Bahn as such as it doesn't nessecarily have a "core" section where most routes converge. I can see the comparisons with the Elizabeth Line & Thameslink though!
I always use Milan one, it’s the best! You shoukd make a video about it
I gotta give Italy a proper visit sometime
Helsinki has a suburban train system with a 10-minute peak frequency on each line. The lines extend outward from the central station and have dedicated tracks on the Ring Line, which opened in 2015 and goes around the northern suburbs tunneling under the airport, as well as next to the main lines up to Kerava and Leppävaara. There are also new dedicated tracks under construction between the Leppävaara and Kauklahti stations. There have also been plans for a tunnel looping around the city centre, but it has been halted for a long time.
thought that the barcelona S lines from FGC & the rodalies would be included 🥲
Happy Chanukkah
I'm from Czechia and yea you can be more critical about České dráhy it's a rollercoaster, of good things and bad things 😅 Czech locals even changed the slogan for a meme from "České dráhy national operator" to "České dráhy enough time" xd 😂
Hey that's pretty good haha!
Interesting video 👍🏻 but you did butcher the German words so hard 😅😂😂
B1 only gets me so far
A surprising place with s-bahn style service is Glasgow, together with 2 (yes, two!) city centre tunnels. Take that, Munich! (although they had the big brain idea to end the two tunnels in a single 2-track station, so not much benefit comes out of those tunnels)
Oh wow, I had no idea!
Prague s bahn (esko) is going to the airport. Ostrava has an s bahn line to Ostrava Mošnov airport. Im really excited that the esko will go to prague airport
Oh hell yeah
Great video, though unfortunately you gave me an heart attack with how you said "Vorarlberg" and "Vorortelinie". I gotta admit though there are easier words to say
I'm still learning German I'm sorry for butchering the language at least I make a bomb ass schnitzel ;-;
There’s another type of commuter railway like the Sbahns in Sweden, mostly known one is in Stockholm where the commuter rail covers four different cities, Uppsala the 4th biggest city with Södertälje and Kungsängen to the west with the port city of Nynäshamn where you can change to ferries. The entire of Sweden has different types if commuter rails, the city of Gothenburg and Malmö has the more extensive networks though using the pre existing railways built by SJ (the Swedish state railways), though a new project has been launched between Malmö and the neighbouring city of Lund where 4 tracks is being built to increase capacity. Just wanted to brief you on that as well since they’re pretty extensive for being Sbahn style.
Oh that's quite cool! Perhaps I shall visit Sweden for a video sometime
Yeah, Stockholm operates their commuter rail with 30 min frequency but since most lines are doubled you mostly get 15 mins, besides you got shelters or canopies at all stations. The Stockholm commuter rail is the oldest (technically) in Scandinavia since SL the transport took over service from the SJ and other railways operator in the region Stockholm that already had their railways since 1800s but wasn’t a thing until 1960s.
Besides Stockholm is a nice city and you can’t go anywhere without a bad view, Sweden is built on nature and mountains. Though I recommend visiting in summers, if you’re ready for cold weather then winters are also beautiful it as a swedishowrosn myself I still think winters are cold. 😂
Cool video, I hope you can do videos about the expansive and beautiful railways of Sweden. They’re awesome and there’s still retro feel to the stations (except Uppsala which was modernised). Stockholm Central station has so much retro feel to it and I recommend just being in the platforms looking at the tiles and the old trains. I hope you can visit Sweden, then I can be your guide :).
Considering BART only works by ignoring one extrem important part of S-Bahn networks: Them running on regular rail lines - well, usually improved ones, but none the less standard routes. at least outside the city center. Check Munich, Nürnberg, Frankfurt, etc. Even Berlin when considering how it was developed. BART in contrast is a fully separate, purpose build network. Thus rather a classic Metro. Stretching out the way it is is a result of being in an incredible large urban area.
An interesting point, however while I can't think of fully purpose built S Bahn systems, I can certainly think of major pieces of purpose built S-Bahn infrastructure
@@TFTSB Well, yes, that's the improved part. Just take Munich. While it was already an extensive radial network in he1920s, building the new city tunnel (and finally naming as such) turned it into a modern S-Bahn system. One starting with mostly the same size as today, but since then many lines have been either double tracked, or had dedicated S-Bahn tracks added beside regular rail tracks to cope with increased traffic.
S-Bahn is rather a rail service than a different system. The fact that an S-Bahn systems are originally build on top of an existing (regional) rail network is the major distinction between them and subway/metro lines. A quick look at any German city operating a subway/metro system and an S-Bahn does support it. Even in Berlin, mother of all S-Bahn, where the S-Bahn uses (almost) the same technology as the U-Bahn (aka third rail, train size, etc.), one (U) is purpose build, while the other is build on top of existing ail infrastructure.
Of course the argument isn't (as so often) reversible. A dedicated system isn't neccessary a Metro/U-Bahn, as in many places they are often modified Trams. Frankfurt and Stuttgart being maybe the best examples as many lins in their U-Bahn networks are continue to be streetcar lines. So distinction is directed, working only for S-Bahn vs. Metro.
Pretty much all of BART was built in old freight right of ways. So it's still fundamentally a regional rail system built on top of the old standard gauge freight rail of yesteryear.
huge miss for north american S bahn. Philadelphia is absolutely an S bahn.
I'd argue SEPTA may have the inner city workings, but perhaps feels a bit too regional to me on the whole
@@TFTSB As someone who has lived in Europe and Philly you're just wrong here :) No worries, if you are ever in philly you should definitely check it out!!
What about Australia? Has quite a few.
The Moscow Central Diameters are an awesome system. It may not be a traditional S-Bahn as it shares track with other regional trains (that are integrated into the MCD in terms of schedule and fares), but I'd say that's for the better because these routes also get frequent service thanks to this integration.
Fascist country though. Not interested. Would never go there again so whatever they do in their fascist utopia, nobody from the civilized world cares.
But hey, maybe their new North Korean soldiers will like to ride it when they're off from the front in Russia's imperialist invasion of a neighboring country.
Kinda missing Budapest‘s HÉV
About the planned CA-HSR/BART connection I guess maybe you mean the BART expansion in the South Bay. AFAIK for SF the plan is Caltrain and CA-HSR will extend to the (Salesforce) transit center but like now, still a few blocks south of the Montgomery BART/Muni station.
The BART to CAHSR/Caltrain connection in downtown SF is actually only going to be 800 ft (250 meters) via an underground tunnel between the Salesforce Transit Center and the Montgomery BART/Muni station. The two stations are actually just two short SF blocks away from each other and the whole thing will happen underground without having to cross streets or to ascend all the way to the surface. The transfer shouldn't take more than 3 minutes, which is completely normal even for a transfer between metro lines, let alone HSR and metro/local rail. God knows there are muuuuuuuch worse transfers all over Europe and Asia.
For context, the length of this transfer will be just about the same as the BART to T line transfer at Powell Station and should take about the same 3 minutes.
Hi, the Tyne and Wear Metro in NE England is in may ways an S-Bahn.
That's a system I'd love to try out someday!
@@TFTSB perhaps you need to be quick. ... The rolling stock is currently being changed for new ... now may be a good time to experience both old and new. However i dont know the current roll out syatus.
I’m wondering where to categorise the London Overground. It’s definitely not a metro system, it’s heavy rail, and it’s not run as a mainline or suburban commuter railway. Thameslink and the Elizabeth Line (and Crossrail 2, when it happens) are better fits for a proper RER system. In my head I often think of it as an S-Bahn like system, but if there’s a better classification I’d love to know.
@productjoe4069 Maybe I'll have to visit someday and categorise it myself
Austrias flag however is a big minus.