You can search for reference links in google via link:$URL but I only found a facebook group which had linked this video with the short url, no Reddit. So I guess it's a closed forum?
It's disused, but legally still a railway. This means, Deutsche Bahn can repair it without requiring any permission from the state and there's no basis to sue. This makes me hopeful that the line is reopened on time, as the legal process is usually taking most of the time.
@@BigBlueMan118It's on a case by case basis, but it is generally true. I couldn't find any reference to a decommissioning on the wiki page for the heidekrautbahn.
@antonf.9278 i mean in the Case of Heidekrautbahn it is irrelevant because they have already Made the decision it is going to be rebuilt, but I live in Sachsen and there are heapsssss of old train lines that could be useful again and I wonder If they can just be redone at the drop of a hat
@@BigBlueMan118 That depends on whether the line in question was just closed, or actually decommissioned (entwidmet). If the line is still on the books as a railway, it can be re-opened relatively easily. If not, it would have to go through the whole ordeal of being projected, and put to public inquiry again. Including all the nimbies along it getting a chance to sue.
The reason there are no trees growing out of the platform at the terminus station (Gartenfeld) is that this station was used as a garden center from 1984-2012. It was a large store where you could buy garden supplies and actual plants and trees. They store was located inside the station building but also extended all the way out to the end of the platform. Similarly, the station "Wernerwerk" was used by a flower shop (entrance on Siemensdamm) and a wood cutting company (entrance on the side towards the rear of the station) for many years, which explains why the station is in quite good shape.
Actually look at maps from before ww2. They had so much rail that somehow all disappeared and was never rebuilt because some guy decided splitting a city in half was a good idea
People still blaming the GDR like it has been a thing in the past 30 years. It is the modern profit oriented transport policy, and western German car-centric development, which ruined railways, West-Berlin even ripped out all tram tracks in favour of cars.
@@mx338 Cause and effect. Without the division, maybe it wouldn't have gone down like that, or at least not so extreme. But it's true - even today's politics favor cars even though there's nothing but traffic jams in Berlin. People are supposed to drop 50,000 euros on the priciest consumer good, the holy car, instead of 50 euros a month for efficient transportation or - even worse - 100 euros for a bike. That's why all bike lane projects are canceled in Berlin, and busses and trams are preffered over U-Bahn and S-Bahn, because trams and busses are stuck in traffic jams all the time, which get people to want to buy cars.
This is the case for most cities in the west. Honestly I think it's surprising how much of a performing transport network Berlin retained despite its difficult history.
@@mx338 The abolishment of trams in West Berlin was due to 1950s/60s car centrism, but the abandonment of the S-Bahn not really. It's due to cold war mechanics, but both sides are to blame. The construction of the wall and the physical division of so many U-Bahn and S-Bahn lines were the first blow, but the second blow was the west's reaction in form of a boykott. The U-Bahn was never boykotted for obvious reasons, so it is thriving.
@@jeanraphaelpabst4750 My comment was a jab at how big infrastructure projects usually fare in Germany. Specifically, at how Berlin was unable to get it right with their airport BER, which started to be built in 2006 and was planned to be done just 5 years later by november 2011 when in reality it took until the 31st october 2020, so 9 years more - almost tripple the planned time - and a huge amount of money more to be finished. The Siemensbahn project wouldn't be the first railway project to share this fate either if you take the project "Stuttgart 21" (new main station for Stuttgart) in consideration, which started in 2010 and was meant to be done by 2019 with a cost of 4.1bn €, while in reality it still hasn't been finished. It's currently set to be finished by december 2026, with the latest cost figure of 11bn € calculated in december 2023, so almost tripple the cost and almost double the planned time. So call me sceptic, but I won't believe the Siemensbahn project will be finished on schedule unless I see it with my own eyes.
13:20 Gartenfeld station used to be used by a garden centre, according to wikipedia between 1984 and 2012. The shop occupied the entire station building and the platforms, which could be accessed from the shop.
I'm really glad to have found this video. Berlin is such a huge city, coming from east Berlin I didn't knew this line existed. Let's hope they do make the reopening for the 100 years aniversary of the line in 2029. Let's also hope this place stays lost for just a bit more so interested trespassers can give it a last visit.
That's not a metro ("U-Bahn"), but an S-Bahn. There's also almost no new projects, no new subway lines (only additions to old ones, if ever) and the S21 project is just a shadow of itself. So no, that's not growth.
I went exploring on this a few years back, was a really cool walk and a great photoshoot location for couples in my opinion. It is insane though that it hasn't been reactivated but they are talking about spending wayyyy more elsewhere, like the fucking €200.000 per meter on the damn A100 Autobahn no-one actually wants/needs! I still think that trams should be the focus for new lines, but anything that can be cheaply and effectively reactivated like this one or the Heidekrautbahn should be done ASAP.
New modern building regulations and environmental impacts are required. Sometimes upgrading abd renovating an existing structure takes more time and money than building a new one.
@mrxman581 People love saying this kind of thing, but so much stuff here is broken and takes forever to fix or is run poorly. There’s an attitude problem as well.
@@mrxman581 I don't think renovating a 5km long subway line should take 10 years (probably more). This isn't a uranium mine in a nature reserve, it's just a metro line within an urban area. The impacts are limited and well understood. We are also already 5 years into the project and as far as I can tell (I live nearby) no construction has actually started.
The way it was discribed, fixing this line is in the distant future ! With all those apartments; Berlin could us it now ! This was a very good Video. Thank You
A number of cities did the same thing with former rail lines after WW2. Have a look at the Northern Heights plan for London's Northern Line much of which is now a Greenway and linear park called the Parkland Walk many of the station platforms are still visible but much of the active rail infrastructure has been removed. You've earned a subscriber, keep up with the quality....
An interesting history project would be to find out what happened to the bricks from the Anhalter railway station. According to many sources, there was some question about what was to be done with the beautiful Anhalter station, but that its bricks were needed by other construction projects, and that's why it was demolished. Its brickwork was very unique. But no one has ever been able to say where those bricks ended up.
Very interesting. It would be great to see old photos of when this line and stations were in use. It's good to hear tgem reactivating the route. Well done. Danke
@@xaverlustig3581 My bad, of course. Thanks for the link. BTW, my first name is Xavier. Kind of similar to the first part of your YT handle name. Is Xaver the German version of Xavier? Just curious. I have a German friend who lives in Los Angeles, but goes back home to Germany for the holidays. I hope to go in 2025. I live in Los Angeles, too.
Work on restoring the old line started months ago! I'm the photographer. Also, most of Berlin's subway tunnels still aren't used. They've been dormant since the end of WW2.
Great video. Great photo of the abandoned stations. Just a small note for me who is not a berliner but is familiar with the town. In the intro the animated maps are very fast, I understand that a long section would be boring, but perhaps some middle ground. But I was interested enough to pause and look at google maps and that's the sign of an interesting video for me.
You should, especially since it might not be possible anymore quite soon. There is quite a bit more too it obviously with lots of footage that I had to cut.
I wonder how much work will be needed to bring these stations up to the modern spec for accessibility etc. The stations seem quite spacious but typical of older infrastructure where it's just all steps.
6:48 my thought is, that this is the last inspection for it being driveable, as you said later it probably still has to be inspected regualarly to not be a hazard for the infrastructure under it.
Really interesting video, and history of this railway. Its always jarring to me to see garbage, unused structures, and graffiti in Germany, and somewhat sad. I lived in West Germany from 1979-1982, and was struck then how clean and tidy and manicured everything was, compared to North America. Germans used to take such enormous pride in their streets, buildings etc. Then, there was never graffiti or litter.
Hello, a very good video! :)) One comment, i would suggest, calling it "City Train Line" instead of "Metro", since that implies (for us germans) more of an underground line of our Berlin U-Bahn (Untergrundbahn - "Subway, Metro"), and the line you showcased here belonged as mentioned to the Berlin S-Bahn (Stadtbahn - "City Train") - But maybe this is just my personal preference and implacation, might be still fitting to keep metro 🤝Thanks again of so wonderfully showing the lost "Siemensbahn" :))
@@yuotueb I mean yes I agree from a dictionary perspective, but this is in the specific city context of berlin, in London you would'nt say Subway or Metro either, you would prefer Underground or Tube. Or in Moscow Metro fits well since it alligns with russian naming, so I think i might be better to use some sort of neologism, as suggested, here or just call it "S-Bahn".
Sorry for being a party pooper, but the S-Bahn is NOT an abbreviation for the Stadtbahn (it's its own thing, more of a tram-train system for cities without an U-Bahn), the S-Bahn is an abbreviation for *Schnell*bahn, as in "Fast train".
Hey Brian, really informative video! I walked along this route last year and was fascinated by it. If you're going on one of these walks again, I would love to explore a disused location with you. :)
I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that my city of Toronto is not the only one where you can't believe the official projections of when transit lines are supposed to open. I did a video for my channel about the Eglinton Crosstown LRT line, which runs near my home; it was originally supposed to open in 2020, but still doesn't have an official opening date, and the latest suggestion is that the earliest it could open would be June 2025 - and I don't think anyone would bet on that, either!
They want to be finished in 2029 and are thinking about expanding the line through new settled regions near Gartenstadt. Currently the costs are planned to be around 500 million Euro.
Let's hope that they leave as much of the trees as possible rather than razing everything. Berliners love their trees. Reconstruct the line, but leave the trees around it.
In the early 1960's, shortly after the wall was built, there was a saying amongst West Berliners about the East German S-Bahn still running in the West: "Nicht ein pfennig fur Walter" (pardon my poor German..), meaning "not one penny for Walter" (Ulbricht, the DDR president).
Siemens did not yet realize, that that "metaverse" thing is dead, not that the zuck has a new haircut. The robot style was good for metaverse, but the curly hair def won't work.
Yes, but I would argue that the line more accurately fits the typology of an urban metro than a standard suburban S-Bahn (+S-Bahn is also not a great word to put in an English title), which also makes it much more interesting that such substantial infrastructure was left abandoned.
maps.app.goo.gl/ip4BG8z8rgy26nM89 This is the abondoned terminus Gartenfeld station maps.app.goo.gl/ip4BG8z8rgy26nM89 this is its start, Jungernheide station which is in operation, and would in the future branch off the Siemensbahn line towards the north west, like it did in the past. The line itself doesn't show up in Google maps even if you activate public transport, because it's not in operation. But it's roughly between those two spots.
Die Stelle, die ich gefunden hatte, befindet sich hinter dem Holiday Inn Hotel: maps.app.goo.gl/wgvBr4sxbkRKfHFY6 Es gibt aber noch andere Wege, zum Beispiel am Ende des Viadukts beim ehemaligen Bahnhof Siemensdamm, in der Nähe des Einkaufszentrums.
Railinfrastructuur is unfortunately considered as too expensive by local authorities (who are more in favor of private mobility: cars and bycicles). Reactivation of this line will take decades for sure...Thank you for uploading.
@@berthuizing1785We're talking of the CDU here. Fossil cars of course. Infrastructure for electric cars is still lacking big time in the city with no attempts to fix that anytime soon.
@@vomm Side track: not only cars, cars and cars, it's also about the right type of cars. Read up about the convoluted H-kennzeichen for vintage cars, with various convoluted regulations that is kind of made to fit the cars a middle/upper class non-mechanic middle age guy would have, rather than the cars that people with lower income and/or people who just want a car that is easy to DIY repair/refurbish. Some text clearly states that a VW Golf with period correct "youth accessories/modifications" (like a large stereo system and whatnot) don't qualify. Like that is as much a bit of culture to preserve as someones weekly cleaned and polished Mercedes-Benz.
the AI voice isn't too bad, actually almost hits all the old documentary narration markers and decent pronunciation I'm still not 100% on board if reading it out in German benefits the vid's narrative. here it's short enough, in your Hamburg vid it was too much for my taste. would be totally different if it was actual narration from an old docu you cite, but good luck finding that, I guess. overall good addition to the transport history and urban curiosities space.
in vielen Städten sind S und U Bahn dasselbe - in New York sind das alles "trains". Manche machen Unterschied - in London gibt es seit einiger Zeit die "overground" - was wir S-Bahn nennen. So eindeutig ist das alles nicht.
@@MannmitHut-p4o Die Zuschauer kommen aber aus "vielen Städten" :-) Du hast schon recht, aber der Begriff "Metro" existiert bei uns für einen Großhandelsmarkt - aber nicht für eine Bahn.
@ Metro ist ein internationaler Begriff für U-Bahn. Oder Tube. Oder Underground. Mit Sicherheit ist Metro kein internationaler Begriff für eine Stadtbahn. Diskussion beendet, rinnjehaun Atze.
This Train Station represent the deep structural division of German Industry which is in place till today. After WWII everything what the Russian did not took from East Germany (included West-Berlin due to broken supply chains) went into West Germany mainland. Audi, Siemens, Edeka, Deutsche Bank.... all from East German Region. The greatest Airport was Berlin not Frankfurt. The common German Narrative is to blame GDR economics but this is politcal bs, GDR only finished it.
Lots of people here seem to be coming from Reddit. Can someone point me to the thread?
You can search for reference links in google via link:$URL but I only found a facebook group which had linked this video with the short url, no Reddit. So I guess it's a closed forum?
It's disused, but legally still a railway. This means, Deutsche Bahn can repair it without requiring any permission from the state and there's no basis to sue.
This makes me hopeful that the line is reopened on time, as the legal process is usually taking most of the time.
lol sure 🤣
Is this true for any of the other disused lines they have talked about reactivating? Like the Heidekrautbahn for example?
@@BigBlueMan118It's on a case by case basis, but it is generally true. I couldn't find any reference to a decommissioning on the wiki page for the heidekrautbahn.
@antonf.9278 i mean in the Case of Heidekrautbahn it is irrelevant because they have already Made the decision it is going to be rebuilt, but I live in Sachsen and there are heapsssss of old train lines that could be useful again and I wonder If they can just be redone at the drop of a hat
@@BigBlueMan118 That depends on whether the line in question was just closed, or actually decommissioned (entwidmet).
If the line is still on the books as a railway, it can be re-opened relatively easily. If not, it would have to go through the whole ordeal of being projected, and put to public inquiry again. Including all the nimbies along it getting a chance to sue.
The reason there are no trees growing out of the platform at the terminus station (Gartenfeld) is that this station was used as a garden center from 1984-2012. It was a large store where you could buy garden supplies and actual plants and trees. They store was located inside the station building but also extended all the way out to the end of the platform.
Similarly, the station "Wernerwerk" was used by a flower shop (entrance on Siemensdamm) and a wood cutting company (entrance on the side towards the rear of the station) for many years, which explains why the station is in quite good shape.
Actually look at maps from before ww2. They had so much rail that somehow all disappeared and was never rebuilt because some guy decided splitting a city in half was a good idea
People still blaming the GDR like it has been a thing in the past 30 years. It is the modern profit oriented transport policy, and western German car-centric development, which ruined railways, West-Berlin even ripped out all tram tracks in favour of cars.
@@mx338 I am not blaming the GDR. I am blaming west germany who thought they just had to get half of berlin
@@mx338 Cause and effect. Without the division, maybe it wouldn't have gone down like that, or at least not so extreme. But it's true - even today's politics favor cars even though there's nothing but traffic jams in Berlin. People are supposed to drop 50,000 euros on the priciest consumer good, the holy car, instead of 50 euros a month for efficient transportation or - even worse - 100 euros for a bike. That's why all bike lane projects are canceled in Berlin, and busses and trams are preffered over U-Bahn and S-Bahn, because trams and busses are stuck in traffic jams all the time, which get people to want to buy cars.
This is the case for most cities in the west. Honestly I think it's surprising how much of a performing transport network Berlin retained despite its difficult history.
@@mx338 The abolishment of trams in West Berlin was due to 1950s/60s car centrism, but the abandonment of the S-Bahn not really. It's due to cold war mechanics, but both sides are to blame. The construction of the wall and the physical division of so many U-Bahn and S-Bahn lines were the first blow, but the second blow was the west's reaction in form of a boykott. The U-Bahn was never boykotted for obvious reasons, so it is thriving.
Incredible production quality (video and color grading). Super neat to see how history has impacted the cities rail development
Thanks so much! Glad you liked it!
The Siemensbahn is going to be reconstructed in the next years until 2029 when the trains are going to run again.
2029? Oh come on, you know Germany and how planning vs. actually building something plays out. Make that maybe 2035 and +5 bn €
@@jdkap201 Still this century....
@@jdkap201 You are not right. VBB has a big project called i2030. Siemensbahn will be done to 2029-2030.
@@jeanraphaelpabst4750 My comment was a jab at how big infrastructure projects usually fare in Germany. Specifically, at how Berlin was unable to get it right with their airport BER, which started to be built in 2006 and was planned to be done just 5 years later by november 2011 when in reality it took until the 31st october 2020, so 9 years more - almost tripple the planned time - and a huge amount of money more to be finished. The Siemensbahn project wouldn't be the first railway project to share this fate either if you take the project "Stuttgart 21" (new main station for Stuttgart) in consideration, which started in 2010 and was meant to be done by 2019 with a cost of 4.1bn €, while in reality it still hasn't been finished. It's currently set to be finished by december 2026, with the latest cost figure of 11bn € calculated in december 2023, so almost tripple the cost and almost double the planned time. So call me sceptic, but I won't believe the Siemensbahn project will be finished on schedule unless I see it with my own eyes.
@@jeanraphaelpabst4750 Trust me, he's right. What they say VS. what they do are 2 different things
13:20 Gartenfeld station used to be used by a garden centre, according to wikipedia between 1984 and 2012. The shop occupied the entire station building and the platforms, which could be accessed from the shop.
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I'm really glad to have found this video. Berlin is such a huge city, coming from east Berlin I didn't knew this line existed.
Let's hope they do make the reopening for the 100 years aniversary of the line in 2029.
Let's also hope this place stays lost for just a bit more so interested trespassers can give it a last visit.
Very interesting. Please Show us more videos like this about Berlin.
8:55 would be awesome to have trainstations similar to that. Trees on the platform, awesome.
That's not a metro ("U-Bahn"), but an S-Bahn. There's also almost no new projects, no new subway lines (only additions to old ones, if ever) and the S21 project is just a shadow of itself. So no, that's not growth.
I went exploring on this a few years back, was a really cool walk and a great photoshoot location for couples in my opinion.
It is insane though that it hasn't been reactivated but they are talking about spending wayyyy more elsewhere, like the fucking €200.000 per meter on the damn A100 Autobahn no-one actually wants/needs! I still think that trams should be the focus for new lines, but anything that can be cheaply and effectively reactivated like this one or the Heidekrautbahn should be done ASAP.
Great level of details and cinematography in this video. Well done!
Fantastic video, haven't been able to visit Berlin for a while but I found the S and U Bahn systems interesting. Greeting from Australia 🇦🇺
Kind of ridiculous. The original line was build in 2 years, but the reactivation (decided 2019) is supposed to take 10 years.
New modern building regulations and environmental impacts are required. Sometimes upgrading abd renovating an existing structure takes more time and money than building a new one.
@@mrxman581sounds just like some bureaucracy demands a jerk off - nothing of that is actually necessary
@mrxman581 People love saying this kind of thing, but so much stuff here is broken and takes forever to fix or is run poorly. There’s an attitude problem as well.
@robvdm There are many good reasons why things take longer to build, too. Those are facts.
Many people want to romanticize the past, too.
@@mrxman581 I don't think renovating a 5km long subway line should take 10 years (probably more).
This isn't a uranium mine in a nature reserve, it's just a metro line within an urban area. The impacts are limited and well understood. We are also already 5 years into the project and as far as I can tell (I live nearby) no construction has actually started.
Toll gefilmt und recherchiert. Daumen hoch! :)
Very interesting! Great subject matter and well done. This would be an interesting topic (and line) to return to every so often.
The way it was discribed, fixing this line is in the distant future ! With all those apartments; Berlin could us it now ! This was a very good Video. Thank You
A number of cities did the same thing with former rail lines after WW2. Have a look at the Northern Heights plan for London's Northern Line much of which is now a Greenway and linear park called the Parkland Walk many of the station platforms are still visible but much of the active rail infrastructure has been removed.
You've earned a subscriber, keep up with the quality....
An interesting history project would be to find out what happened to the bricks from the Anhalter railway station. According to many sources, there was some question about what was to be done with the beautiful Anhalter station, but that its bricks were needed by other construction projects, and that's why it was demolished. Its brickwork was very unique. But no one has ever been able to say where those bricks ended up.
The black&white photo shown at 4:45 is probably from the 1961 S-Bahn boykott, not the 1980 strike.
They are actually (it says in the source in the corner, too), I couldn't find pictures of the one in 1980. But they give you the gist.
Very interesting. I'm also impressed by the quality. Can't believe you only have two videos and ~1500 subs (as of today)
Echt cooler Beitrag Brian
very cool video. I've passed this sbahn line many times, but had no idea why it doesn't work anymore
you have no idea how many times i passed by that station wondering why it was left like that
Very interesting. It would be great to see old photos of when this line and stations were in use. It's good to hear tgem reactivating the route. Well done. Danke
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@xaverlustig3581 very cool. At one point, you can see the clock you mentioned in your video. Danke
@@mrxman581 It's not my video though. 🙂
@@xaverlustig3581 My bad, of course. Thanks for the link.
BTW, my first name is Xavier. Kind of similar to the first part of your YT handle name. Is Xaver the German version of Xavier? Just curious. I have a German friend who lives in Los Angeles, but goes back home to Germany for the holidays. I hope to go in 2025. I live in Los Angeles, too.
Thankyou Brian for this video! 👍
The Siemensbahn is not a metro ...
A lovely excursion, thank you for showing us.
Work on restoring the old line started months ago! I'm the photographer. Also, most of Berlin's subway tunnels still aren't used. They've been dormant since the end of WW2.
This will be a must to see when it reopens. Have always wanted to go to Berlin. Now another reason to go there.
8:58 It would be cool to leave some of those trees growing out of the platform even after the line gets reactivated and station renovated.
Maybe someone can suggest that in the public comments period :D
Great video. Great photo of the abandoned stations.
Just a small note for me who is not a berliner but is familiar with the town. In the intro the animated maps are very fast, I understand that a long section would be boring, but perhaps some middle ground.
But I was interested enough to pause and look at google maps and that's the sign of an interesting video for me.
Cool video. I was about to visit this ghost station by myself as well.
You should, especially since it might not be possible anymore quite soon. There is quite a bit more too it obviously with lots of footage that I had to cut.
@@brianalexeu Have you visited House of the Officers in Wünsdorf? Another cool location.
Great video! I hope you do more of the Berlin area
How cool and unique would it be if during reconstruction, they decide to leave some of the trees on the platform?
I wonder how much work will be needed to bring these stations up to the modern spec for accessibility etc. The stations seem quite spacious but typical of older infrastructure where it's just all steps.
6:48 my thought is, that this is the last inspection for it being driveable, as you said later it probably still has to be inspected regualarly to not be a hazard for the infrastructure under it.
Really interesting video, and history of this railway. Its always jarring to me to see garbage, unused structures, and graffiti in Germany, and somewhat sad. I lived in West Germany from 1979-1982, and was struck then how clean and tidy and manicured everything was, compared to North America. Germans used to take such enormous pride in their streets, buildings etc. Then, there was never graffiti or litter.
Well society is moving backwards, other countries are now running rings around Germany with better developed infrastructure and a can-do attitude
Thanks. I didn't know about that piece of history.
They look nearly as good as some stations on the New York Subway
When I was in Berlin in 77-80, the S-bahn was mainly in East Berlin. So the U-bahn got lots of use.
Nicely done, Brian.
Hello, a very good video! :)) One comment, i would suggest, calling it "City Train Line" instead of "Metro", since that implies (for us germans) more of an underground line of our Berlin U-Bahn (Untergrundbahn - "Subway, Metro"), and the line you showcased here belonged as mentioned to the Berlin S-Bahn (Stadtbahn - "City Train")
- But maybe this is just my personal preference and implacation, might be still fitting to keep metro 🤝Thanks again of so wonderfully showing the lost "Siemensbahn" :))
"City Train" would be an incorrect literal translation. "Suburban rail(way) line" maybe... but I think metro also works fine in an English context.
@@yuotueb I mean yes I agree from a dictionary perspective, but this is in the specific city context of berlin, in London you would'nt say Subway or Metro either, you would prefer Underground or Tube. Or in Moscow Metro fits well since it alligns with russian naming, so I think i might be better to use some sort of neologism, as suggested, here or just call it "S-Bahn".
@@finnizierend Yes, I was hoping to hear about U10 and found this. Not dissapointed, though.
Subway = Ubahn, Sbahn = Sbahn
Sorry for being a party pooper, but the S-Bahn is NOT an abbreviation for the Stadtbahn (it's its own thing, more of a tram-train system for cities without an U-Bahn), the S-Bahn is an abbreviation for *Schnell*bahn, as in "Fast train".
Hey Brian, really informative video! I walked along this route last year and was fascinated by it. If you're going on one of these walks again, I would love to explore a disused location with you. :)
Awesome video! Did you walk the line weekday or weekend?
Cool! Was there like 15 years ago, but nothing changed😅 But it's good to know that there are plans to relaunch that line!
Aw man, I didn't know about this, or I would have checked this out when I was in Berlin
There is even a feasibility study to expand the line
I'm not sure whether to be happy or sad that my city of Toronto is not the only one where you can't believe the official projections of when transit lines are supposed to open. I did a video for my channel about the Eglinton Crosstown LRT line, which runs near my home; it was originally supposed to open in 2020, but still doesn't have an official opening date, and the latest suggestion is that the earliest it could open would be June 2025 - and I don't think anyone would bet on that, either!
Wonderful video!
Hopefully I can get to Berlin for a bit of urban exploration - before it is all reactivated.
They want to be finished in 2029 and are thinking about expanding the line through new settled regions near Gartenstadt. Currently the costs are planned to be around 500 million Euro.
Well done! Eins Plus 😉
Great video, very informative, danke schon
Southwestwards until 1961 there was anorher abandoned S-Trainline from Wannsee to Stahnsdorf
The Siemens Bahn is not a Metro (underground) line, it's a suburban track (like S-Bahn)
I drive under this station almost every day. I have to check this out myself, did you found the hole at the holiday inn?
Let's hope that they leave as much of the trees as possible rather than razing everything. Berliners love their trees. Reconstruct the line, but leave the trees around it.
In the early 1960's, shortly after the wall was built, there was a saying amongst West Berliners about the East German S-Bahn still running in the West: "Nicht ein pfennig fur Walter" (pardon my poor German..), meaning "not one penny for Walter" (Ulbricht, the DDR president).
The Siemensbahn is planned to reopen in 2029 as part of a S-Bahn expansion, that’s why there’s a lot of construction activity going on.
Wo genau ist die Station bei 5:40?
Ich warte eigentlich nur darauf, dass du einmal herzhaft ins Mikro reinbeisst...
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Siemens did not yet realize, that that "metaverse" thing is dead, not that the zuck has a new haircut.
The robot style was good for metaverse, but the curly hair def won't work.
😳 Siemen City!? My buddy Jack Hoff would definitely want to move there!
Maybe they could turn it into a park like the Highline in Manhattan.
Interessantes Video, danke!
This route is currently being renovated, I think it should start in 2025
The Paln to reuse it for a S-Bahn Serive
I'm going to Berlin next March and I would love to explore this location. Is it easy to find in Berlin???
Next please talk about the U10
So its S-Bahn not U-Bahn (metro)
Yes, but I would argue that the line more accurately fits the typology of an urban metro than a standard suburban S-Bahn (+S-Bahn is also not a great word to put in an English title), which also makes it much more interesting that such substantial infrastructure was left abandoned.
@@brianalexeu I agree that the termin S-Bahn is a bit tricky, but for me it is some sort of light rail
Where can one look up this station on google maps
www.google.de/maps/place/Closed+Station+Siemensstadt/@52.5389819,13.2613952,667m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x47a856bfbb871dfd:0x3fb924e2bbd3337e!8m2!3d52.5389787!4d13.2639701!16s%2Fg%2F11g8w85msg?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Here: maps.app.goo.gl/S6Ym5pLLsd6fHiQw7
maps.app.goo.gl/ip4BG8z8rgy26nM89 This is the abondoned terminus Gartenfeld station
maps.app.goo.gl/ip4BG8z8rgy26nM89 this is its start, Jungernheide station which is in operation, and would in the future branch off the Siemensbahn line towards the north west, like it did in the past.
The line itself doesn't show up in Google maps even if you activate public transport, because it's not in operation. But it's roughly between those two spots.
Try "S-Bahnhof Gartenfeld (außer Betrieb)" and follow the tracks for the other stations .-)
The first word is said even before the video starts. 4:05 why not use a handheld mic or clip that to your shirt. It looks crazy holding it.
Hey, nices video, kannst du mir die koordinaten zum eingang geben?
Die Stelle, die ich gefunden hatte, befindet sich hinter dem Holiday Inn Hotel: maps.app.goo.gl/wgvBr4sxbkRKfHFY6 Es gibt aber noch andere Wege, zum Beispiel am Ende des Viadukts beim ehemaligen Bahnhof Siemensdamm, in der Nähe des Einkaufszentrums.
Railinfrastructuur is unfortunately considered as too expensive by local authorities (who are more in favor of private mobility: cars and bycicles). Reactivation of this line will take decades for sure...Thank you for uploading.
bicycles? The CDU in Berlin has stopped all bicycle lane projects. It's only about cars and cars and cars and even more cars
@vomm Good point about politics, and probably not about fossil cars, cars and even more cars, but about electric cars only, build in EU?
@@berthuizing1785We're talking of the CDU here. Fossil cars of course. Infrastructure for electric cars is still lacking big time in the city with no attempts to fix that anytime soon.
@@vomm Side track: not only cars, cars and cars, it's also about the right type of cars. Read up about the convoluted H-kennzeichen for vintage cars, with various convoluted regulations that is kind of made to fit the cars a middle/upper class non-mechanic middle age guy would have, rather than the cars that people with lower income and/or people who just want a car that is easy to DIY repair/refurbish. Some text clearly states that a VW Golf with period correct "youth accessories/modifications" (like a large stereo system and whatnot) don't qualify. Like that is as much a bit of culture to preserve as someones weekly cleaned and polished Mercedes-Benz.
@@Thesecret101-te1lmthank god large stereo systems don’t qualify. They’re disturbing as hell.
Oh es gibt soviele Bahnstrecken die abgerissen sind oder brach liegen ^^
So um die 15000km
15000 nur in Berlin oder in der ganze alt-DDR ?
@@eizzah8323 Ganz Deutschland
I thought this would have been about the U10. Maybe another good video topic?
Very historic city Berlin being twice very large city.. good the video is in English..
That was and will be an S-Trainline( railway ), not an underground..
Achtung Geisterbahnfahrt
the AI voice isn't too bad, actually almost hits all the old documentary narration markers and decent pronunciation
I'm still not 100% on board if reading it out in German benefits the vid's narrative. here it's short enough, in your Hamburg vid it was too much for my taste.
would be totally different if it was actual narration from an old docu you cite, but good luck finding that, I guess.
overall good addition to the transport history and urban curiosities space.
0:00 - "Lin is a fast growing city"? Why are so many people start talking way too early in their videos?
This link will be reconstructed until 2029.
I thought it is a speciality of Charleroi 😂
Yesss, me too!
Calling it a metro line isnt entirely right. It's also a train, by definition
15:22 lol, they already expect grafitti and tagging in the rendering…
It seems to be district plans or explicative text
hahahahah neverrrr i live in berlin gartenfeld i swear
15 minute areas.
Gutes Video, aber dieser Trend fake Voiceovers für alte Zeitungsartikel zu benutzen ist mega unangenehm
Keep making videos
It is not a metro line
Die Siemensbahn war eine Stadtbahn und keine Merro. GenZetti😅
in vielen Städten sind S und U Bahn dasselbe - in New York sind das alles "trains". Manche machen Unterschied - in London gibt es seit einiger Zeit die "overground" - was wir S-Bahn nennen. So eindeutig ist das alles nicht.
@ Hier gehts aber nicht um "viele Städte"
sondern um Berlin.
@@MannmitHut-p4o Die Zuschauer kommen aber aus "vielen Städten" :-) Du hast schon recht, aber der Begriff "Metro" existiert bei uns für einen Großhandelsmarkt - aber nicht für eine Bahn.
@ Metro ist ein internationaler Begriff für U-Bahn. Oder Tube. Oder Underground. Mit Sicherheit ist Metro kein internationaler Begriff für eine Stadtbahn. Diskussion beendet, rinnjehaun Atze.
Not a metro line
This Train Station represent the deep structural division of German Industry which is in place till today. After WWII everything what the Russian did not took from East Germany (included West-Berlin due to broken supply chains) went into West Germany mainland. Audi, Siemens, Edeka, Deutsche Bank.... all from East German Region. The greatest Airport was Berlin not Frankfurt. The common German Narrative is to blame GDR economics but this is politcal bs, GDR only finished it.
Legends say Hitler still lives in this ruin
nice video! but it's not a metro line ;)
4:14 ruclips.net/video/0arvnAlV_C4/видео.htmlsi=4NNmclxDKCY0TWBF
8:09 interessiert doch niemanden