This is the first of actually a couple.videos I recorded in the Harz! The other should be out later this hear, but say tuned for the next video where I discuss the trains of Switzerland (in Switzerland!!!)
My silly transit dream would to connect the Halberstadt Trams on the other side if the Harz to the HSB too. Then you could take a tram all the way from Halberstadt to Nordhausen. Its such a silly thing that it would be amazing.
Bahn doesn't mean railway, it just means lane/way. Autobahn means car lane/way, tough the English world would be highway. I do not see the inconsistency
It's quite consistent compared to some other places. U Bahns are always called U Bahns and always use the logo with the white U on a blue square, Stadtbahns are always called Stadtbahns except in Frankfurt and they use either the same logo as an U Bahn or the same but with "Stadtbahn" written through it. S Bahns are always called S Bahn and use the white S on a green circle, Strassenbahn is always called Strassenbahn etc. In the UK, London has 2 U Bahn networks. One is called the "underground" and the other is called the "Docklands light rail", despite actually being an automated metro. London also has an S Bahn network called "London Overground" and another one called "the Elizabeth line", which in Germany would actually count as 5 lines. Newcastle has the "metro", Glasgow has the "subway" and Liverpool has the "Merseyrail" and all these networks have different logos. The tram in Manchester is called "metrolink". The one in Birmingham is called "metro", despite being a tram. In Nottingham, it's called "NET" and in Sheffield, it's called "supertram". These networks also all have different logos. Trains and buses in Germany even accept the same tickets. If you buy a single ticket on a bus in a German city, it's also still valid if you then get on an U Bahn or tram or even regional trains within the area the ticket covers until it expires.
@lazrseagull54 not entirely true, here in the cologne/bonn region we have the Stadtbahn (which is indeed different from both the S-Bahn and Straßenbahn) but it uses the U logo and also goes, at least, partially underground... It's confusing lol
@TFTSB Hurray! I'd recommend addressing the question on which mode suits which kind of city in more detail. This is what goes wrong the most in transit as I speak.
I live in a village of 70. But being able to get to the nearest city of ten thousand, 20 kilometers away, by bus, without starting on Saturday at 5 in the morning, and reaching the city on monday at 10 in the evening, would be nice. But hey, im in austria, so this is a non-viennese daring to get ideas beyond his station.
I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention Strausberg, Schöneiche and Woltersdorf, three small tram lines in the suburbs of Berlin. These could be at least partially a model for Stade in that regard (of course Stade is quite larger, buuuuuut I assume that the largest need for a tram would be as a supplement for S-Bahn)
Nice to see my hometown in this kind of videos. A little fun fact: The tram was originally powered by a hydro electric dam which also powered the town lights at night.
Used to live in a town of a 1000 people with only a horrible hourly "bus" service to two larger towns nearby. My commute to high school was an hour in a bus that looked like a modified delivery van... Now I live right above a metro station and commute similar distance to uni in 15 minutes 🫢
Regarding Elend: There is also a town in the Harz mountains called "Wida" (which reads like "wieder", "again"), and seemingly every road out of it ends up looping back.
Even my 12.5k City has 5 bus lines (that also connect to other towns and cities), 3 train stations for the regional train so no one has to walk too far and the regional train directly connects to another one to Berlin or to different ICE lines
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves. And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
In the US and Canada they claim that cities with 250k are too small for a tram.. despite having them 100 years ago, when they were WAY smaller laughable
No city is too small for trams. Edmonton used to have 46,000 people and 92 km of track served by a fleet of 70 streetcars. Now it's a city of 1,100,000 with 40 km of track with about 90 cars... And no the density didn't switch just our use of trains when GM and Goodyear hoodwinked the world into replacing their electric train networks with diesel buses...
My city has about 800k (Wider Region is 2.5 Mill), we don't have even a tram lol. Third time trying to get them back, although they'll be used more as regional service than local. UK sucks at getting its mode right. Should be a automated light metro imo, and our mainlines electrified with higher frequencies. Even my village on the edge should have trains, but since it used by the express trains my station won't be happening till HS2 gets fully built, if I'm lucky.
can you please make a video abt the trams Braunschweig? it would be cool because Braunschweig trams are operating since 1879. Its just a big town same sized as hannover
I am from Stade, meaning I grew up in and around the town for the greater part of my childhood. I now live in Berlin. Public transport in Stade sucks. You live there? Then you know. I put it down to being the only "major" center within a half-circle of 60 km in any direction (okay, Buxtehude and Harsefeld are minor supporting centers) within flat country that is thinly settled for Germany and where everyone has a car as default because there is even less public transit outside of the town. I think the difference vis-à-vis Nordhausen, and you mentioned that, is the relative location in West vs. East Germany. West Germany went for car-dependency hard, while the East couldn't afford that. That said, I'd certainly welcome a Stade tram. I just don't think it's going to happen. Is that tram line an actual proposal by some party or body or is it from a wishlist of some private person?
There's been multiple different proposals from different entities dating back to the 1990s. That said, I feel transit will never improve if we don't push for it, rather than just hoping the powers that be wake up one day and decide to do it (not that this is what you said - just felt like noting)
No graz doesnt have an opiod proplem? Ive lived my life here i never heard anything like that neither in the media nor IRL. What are you speaking about? The City has 5 S-Bahn lines. Don tell lies.
If you want to explore more high quality service for the rural mantle of a larger city, I can recommend checking out the public transit of Chemnitz. Its Chemnitzer Modell is roughly based on the Karlsruher Modell, however very well integrated if you ask me. The standard gauge tram tracks of Chemnitz are almost always separated from the normal street traffic, resulting in a reliable service. The change between Tram and Train Operation for the Tram-Trains is seamless, switching between Tram Electricity and Diesel at the edge points. There'll be Dual Electro Mode Models next year operating on Tram and Main Railway Power, as many of the lines currently non electrified are scheduled to be electrified within the next decade. The Schedule Density is very high for the surrounding suburban areas and smaller towns/villages connected to Chemnitz. Mittweida, Burgstädt, Thalheim and Stollberg and most villages in between get a 30min schedule, rest is 1h minimum. And we are talking 30min service for towns that are 15k inhabitants max. The villages and small towns in between also getting this service density are sometimes barely scratching 1000 inhabitants. The 30min service of the Tram-Trains is maintained thoroughout starting between 4 and 5AM and goes til 12PM and 0:30 AM bidirectionally, only being reduced to once every hour after 6PM or 8PM, depending on the line. It's very well accepted and more integration and higher density is planned for the next years, including an entire new Tram Line for Chemnitz connecting a nearby city disconnected from rail since decades. Also, the landscape towards the Ore Mountains is beautiful! The model will hopefully show it's reliability to the expected visitors due to being European Cultural capital of 2025. Greetings from Chemnitz!
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves. And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
Meanwhile the "standard" frequency of any regional mainline in Germany is every 2 hours... Unless it connects two cities, then it's usually hourly. Which is completely useless for anyone not living in between two metropolitan areas.
@@TecrasTrash I mean, hourly is already borderline unusable, especially when something goes wrong with a connection, but every two hours is definitely too little. But especially for rural Germany, you get a school bus to and from school every school day and that’s called public transport…
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This is the first of actually a couple.videos I recorded in the Harz! The other should be out later this hear, but say tuned for the next video where I discuss the trains of Switzerland (in Switzerland!!!)
0:20 that's a surprise, i thought of the Glatttalbahn when you said small towns and good transit 😮
My silly transit dream would to connect the Halberstadt Trams on the other side if the Harz to the HSB too. Then you could take a tram all the way from Halberstadt to Nordhausen. Its such a silly thing that it would be amazing.
I would love to see this
Germans are not consistent with their terms. There is even the term "Fahrradautobahn", which literally means something like "bicycle car railway".
My favourite German word is still Antibabypillen
My favourite German word is still Antibabypillen
Bahn doesn't mean railway, it just means lane/way.
Autobahn means car lane/way, tough the English world would be highway.
I do not see the inconsistency
It's quite consistent compared to some other places. U Bahns are always called U Bahns and always use the logo with the white U on a blue square, Stadtbahns are always called Stadtbahns except in Frankfurt and they use either the same logo as an U Bahn or the same but with "Stadtbahn" written through it. S Bahns are always called S Bahn and use the white S on a green circle, Strassenbahn is always called Strassenbahn etc. In the UK, London has 2 U Bahn networks. One is called the "underground" and the other is called the "Docklands light rail", despite actually being an automated metro. London also has an S Bahn network called "London Overground" and another one called "the Elizabeth line", which in Germany would actually count as 5 lines. Newcastle has the "metro", Glasgow has the "subway" and Liverpool has the "Merseyrail" and all these networks have different logos. The tram in Manchester is called "metrolink". The one in Birmingham is called "metro", despite being a tram. In Nottingham, it's called "NET" and in Sheffield, it's called "supertram". These networks also all have different logos. Trains and buses in Germany even accept the same tickets. If you buy a single ticket on a bus in a German city, it's also still valid if you then get on an U Bahn or tram or even regional trains within the area the ticket covers until it expires.
@lazrseagull54 not entirely true, here in the cologne/bonn region we have the Stadtbahn (which is indeed different from both the S-Bahn and Straßenbahn) but it uses the U logo and also goes, at least, partially underground... It's confusing lol
Peak quality video! But I am very sure this one needs sequels. Like, a lot of sequels.
I'm sure that can be arranged ;)
@TFTSB Hurray! I'd recommend addressing the question on which mode suits which kind of city in more detail. This is what goes wrong the most in transit as I speak.
Ooooh I'm game for that!
@@TFTSB Hurray! I was planning on making a Braunschweig transit rant video, it's going to be amazing!
I live in a village of 70.
But being able to get to the nearest city of ten thousand, 20 kilometers away, by bus, without starting on Saturday at 5 in the morning, and reaching the city on monday at 10 in the evening, would be nice.
But hey, im in austria, so this is a non-viennese daring to get ideas beyond his station.
Radical thinking, that!
I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention Strausberg, Schöneiche and Woltersdorf, three small tram lines in the suburbs of Berlin. These could be at least partially a model for Stade in that regard (of course Stade is quite larger, buuuuuut I assume that the largest need for a tram would be as a supplement for S-Bahn)
Always a chance for me to return to this topic sometime!
Nice to see my hometown in this kind of videos. A little fun fact: The tram was originally powered by a hydro electric dam which also powered the town lights at night.
Oh that'd wild! Is the dam still around?
@ Yeah the dam is still around.
Used to live in a town of a 1000 people with only a horrible hourly "bus" service to two larger towns nearby. My commute to high school was an hour in a bus that looked like a modified delivery van...
Now I live right above a metro station and commute similar distance to uni in 15 minutes 🫢
Regarding Elend: There is also a town in the Harz mountains called "Wida" (which reads like "wieder", "again"), and seemingly every road out of it ends up looping back.
Love the Omsk "metro" in the back
Thank you lol
Even my 12.5k City has 5 bus lines (that also connect to other towns and cities), 3 train stations for the regional train so no one has to walk too far and the regional train directly connects to another one to Berlin or to different ICE lines
Fun Fact in relation to your Fun Fact: The same HSB line that runs to Elend (EN: Misery) also runs to Sorge (EN: Worries)
They both belong to the Gemeinde Oberharz am Brocken in Sachsen-Anhalt, not Lower Saxony. Btw.
Good catch! Also, I wonder why people in those towns are so worried and miserable? It could be worse - they could live in Darmstadt-Wixhausen!
Fantastic video about trams and trains more generally in smaller cities. You got a new subscriber!
Thanks for the sub!
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves.
And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
The Swiss really are world leaders in this stuff
@ especially in terms of rural transit
Maybe we should consider switching to the Nordhausen narrow gauge to a fuel that is not cole.
Cole is a hard worker who helped unionise his workplace to boot
The free German lesson is very much appreciated. 😆
All I ask for payment is a subscription haha
What do you think about NIMBY RAILS?
I think it's neat!
Here in Brazil we used to have the Paulista railway that connected town’s to São Paulo city. Nowadays the highways take the railways place
Also in "smaller cities", depending on the urban shape, you could operate minibus services to nearby villages
Please use the market gap created by RM Transit, i can't live without transit content 😭
Which one was that again?
@TFTSB xD
awesome video
Thank you!
Hi, I'm from Nordhausen 👋 😊
Welcome!
Hey, i am too 👋
Looking at you London Ontario, Oshawa, Halifax, and Victoria
Victoria especially makes me sad. Van Isle deserves so much better - I say as someone very familiar with the modern state of BC Transit lol
In the US and Canada they claim that cities with 250k are too small for a tram..
despite having them 100 years ago, when they were WAY smaller
laughable
Truly laughable
Nebenbahnen are also very good. i recommend driving Uelzen to Brunswick small villages having hourly train stops.
That's the route that goes via Soltau, right?
UELZEN IS CONNECTED WITH BRAUNSCHWEIG BY TRAMS?!!!!
@@TFTSB no thats a different route.
Its the RB47 Uelzen-Braunschweig Hbf by erixx.
The one you mean is done by start
No city is too small for trams. Edmonton used to have 46,000 people and 92 km of track served by a fleet of 70 streetcars. Now it's a city of 1,100,000 with 40 km of track with about 90 cars... And no the density didn't switch just our use of trains when GM and Goodyear hoodwinked the world into replacing their electric train networks with diesel buses...
Canada deserves so much more than what it has. From - a former Victorian
Omsk Metro spotted 🔭
Also, Bahn can be short for Fahrbahn = lane
(+in Scandinavian languages, bane/a=line, circuit, trajectory, path, court...)
That too!
I translate "Bahn" to "way" as in "freeway" or "railway".
My city has about 800k (Wider Region is 2.5 Mill), we don't have even a tram lol. Third time trying to get them back, although they'll be used more as regional service than local. UK sucks at getting its mode right. Should be a automated light metro imo, and our mainlines electrified with higher frequencies. Even my village on the edge should have trains, but since it used by the express trains my station won't be happening till HS2 gets fully built, if I'm lucky.
Yes, it is. My hometown has 7,000 inhabitants and it is the biggest town in the region. We have frequent train and bus connections though
I'd recommend watching until the end of the video, because I think your area is more deserving than you think!
@TFTSB still no, the town itself has too small distances for that and the next town over in each direction of the valley is already connected by train
can you please make a video abt the trams Braunschweig? it would be cool because Braunschweig trams are operating since 1879. Its just a big town same sized as hannover
I'm actually planning on it!
@ then I will be the first one who will watch it
Stade Stadtbahn?? I'm sorry??
It was a network that existed for one weekend only back in the 90s! But that's a story for later this year ;)
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Is a "bus schedule improvement" in Stade is the one you posted not long ago with a single departure at the most inconvenient time there is? 0
No that was from last year. This is referring to some other routes getting additional service + getting some new buses
I am from Stade, meaning I grew up in and around the town for the greater part of my childhood. I now live in Berlin.
Public transport in Stade sucks. You live there? Then you know. I put it down to being the only "major" center within a half-circle of 60 km in any direction (okay, Buxtehude and Harsefeld are minor supporting centers) within flat country that is thinly settled for Germany and where everyone has a car as default because there is even less public transit outside of the town.
I think the difference vis-à-vis Nordhausen, and you mentioned that, is the relative location in West vs. East Germany. West Germany went for car-dependency hard, while the East couldn't afford that.
That said, I'd certainly welcome a Stade tram. I just don't think it's going to happen. Is that tram line an actual proposal by some party or body or is it from a wishlist of some private person?
There's been multiple different proposals from different entities dating back to the 1990s. That said, I feel transit will never improve if we don't push for it, rather than just hoping the powers that be wake up one day and decide to do it (not that this is what you said - just felt like noting)
@@TFTSB I agree. Are there any local advocacy groups in Stade?
Im from the Stade District/Landkreis Stade
Hi neighbour
"Bahn" is just the German equivalent of the English "way". Just like in railway, motorway, roadway, waterway…
Graz has an opioid problem they only have a tram business and one S Bahn line while they have 300 thousand people they really deserve a Metro.
They truly deserve a metro (or at least light metro) though I'm not sure how the opioid problem relates
No graz doesnt have an opiod proplem? Ive lived my life here i never heard anything like that neither in the media nor IRL. What are you speaking about? The City has 5 S-Bahn lines. Don tell lies.
If you want to explore more high quality service for the rural mantle of a larger city, I can recommend checking out the public transit of Chemnitz. Its Chemnitzer Modell is roughly based on the Karlsruher Modell, however very well integrated if you ask me. The standard gauge tram tracks of Chemnitz are almost always separated from the normal street traffic, resulting in a reliable service. The change between Tram and Train Operation for the Tram-Trains is seamless, switching between Tram Electricity and Diesel at the edge points. There'll be Dual Electro Mode Models next year operating on Tram and Main Railway Power, as many of the lines currently non electrified are scheduled to be electrified within the next decade. The Schedule Density is very high for the surrounding suburban areas and smaller towns/villages connected to Chemnitz. Mittweida, Burgstädt, Thalheim and Stollberg and most villages in between get a 30min schedule, rest is 1h minimum. And we are talking 30min service for towns that are 15k inhabitants max. The villages and small towns in between also getting this service density are sometimes barely scratching 1000 inhabitants. The 30min service of the Tram-Trains is maintained thoroughout starting between 4 and 5AM and goes til 12PM and 0:30 AM bidirectionally, only being reduced to once every hour after 6PM or 8PM, depending on the line. It's very well accepted and more integration and higher density is planned for the next years, including an entire new Tram Line for Chemnitz connecting a nearby city disconnected from rail since decades. Also, the landscape towards the Ore Mountains is beautiful! The model will hopefully show it's reliability to the expected visitors due to being European Cultural capital of 2025. Greetings from Chemnitz!
I love the ÖPNV /public transportation/ themes getting so much more popular! Queer ÖPNV-Lovers Unite - ig
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves.
And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
Meanwhile the "standard" frequency of any regional mainline in Germany is every 2 hours...
Unless it connects two cities, then it's usually hourly.
Which is completely useless for anyone not living in between two metropolitan areas.
@@TecrasTrash I mean, hourly is already borderline unusable, especially when something goes wrong with a connection, but every two hours is definitely too little.
But especially for rural Germany, you get a school bus to and from school every school day and that’s called public transport…