Dammmm Professor Dan! That was one heck of a class you held Bro! 🤯 I have heard of an FMU and had a general idea of what it was used for... but never had it explained in such good detail... I can't wait until you get Pops car running, so we can see the results of your experiment. Keep it real and keep doin the dam thang... 💯👊🏾
Ran an FMU with my stock bottom end 92 back in the day. Had 42s, a custom cam, intake, Canfield heads, and a Vortech . Made 475 at the tires through a Lentech AOD and ran bottom 11s @125 all day long. Probably had the pin pulled on the proverbial grenade at that level but I ran that setup at the track frequently and hammered it often on the street as well for over 50,000 miles before selling the car due to divorce among other domestic issues. I had NO idea folks were even thinking about FMUs anymore, thanks for the reminder !!!
Love this stuff, just goes to show you dont need to spend an arm and a leg to make a fun car. Im 24 and don't have a big budget for my fox, and this really helps me push the limits of what I can do, with what I can afford with mine. Thank you Dan!
Awesome video! Love the low buck experimental/education content! I've noticed back in the day that the speed density cars seen to run harder stock for stock compared to the mass air counterparts.
Man I really need to find me an old foxbody forgot how easy everything used to be. My very first car was a 90gt. And I’ve always had a foxbody with the old pushrod 5.0 but about 10 years ago I sold the fox I had and I’ve gotten into the mod motors since then. My old 2v isn’t as sensitive to absolutely needing tuning for every little mod but my 3v literally needs a retune every time I bolt something new on lol. I still watch all my favorite foxbody RUclips channels even though I haven’t had one for a long time. Really was planning on getting a coyote powered next but there’s plenty of those out there to get later think I should probably go ahead and find me a fox before it’s too late. Just bought a Kenne bell 2.1 for my 2v i was planning on getting the supercharger, longtubes stall and coil overs I have for it put on then selling it to buy the coyote mustang but I’m thinking about a fox now. I miss the simplicity. Plus the fact you don’t need major hp to get it running a decent et.
I had a Vortech HO A Trim kit with FMU back in the 90’s. Bought it when I got into college. Loved that setup on my ‘87 which I converted to MAF. Later upgraded to an S Trim and T Trim. Remember the B trim and R Trim?!! Man time flies.
Back in 2006 when I installed my S trim kit my car was stock 87 bottom end, afr 165s, mighty Ecam, and trick flow track heat Intake. I put in fms 30 pound injectors and matched it up with the disc in the fmu and the car ran and drove great for years untuned on the factory A9L. Man those were much easier days. 😆
Such great information Dan. You bring to light options I didn't even know existed. You have a great wealth of knowledge on these cars. I enjoy watching your videos and learning more about foxbodys. I hope to buy one and build it someday.
Love this build!! I was on the fence between a turbo and the S/C route with my 86 GT....your videos have made me go this turbo budget route for sure!! Love your old school builds like this!! Keep up the great content my man!
This build n car is sweet Dan. Love the channel, old school all the way for me. Got my 17 year old son watching all ur videos 👍🏼 keep it up. Oh I bought a 96 explore with powerdyne charger on a few years back, definitely was am old build 😈 it had fmu. My brother watches u too he has 91 fox it had old vortech fmu 👍🏼 we are very familiar with them
Nice. I remember those old days. Another old school method was the extra injector in the intake pipe. A lot of GN guys did that and I saw some boosted fords with EFI and with carbs and an extra injector. Funny thing is, when the direct injection stuff was coming out sometimes there was no high flow pump and injectors or they were too expensive so people started doing it again to get extra fuel. Would be cool if you did that when the FMU reaches its limits.
@@Neomustangs No problem. If you aren't familiar with how it works you can google 7th injector and such terms. The extra injector is triggered by a positive pressure switch set around 3lbs manifold pressure then sprays full duty cycle. It also needs a rising rate fuel regulator but since you already have the FMU that would probably work. A bit foggy but I think that's how it works.
I had an extra injector spraying my supercharged Jeep XJ, 4.0L. The extra injector, in addition to adding the extra fuel, works like an intercooler, spraying fuel directly before it blows in to the engine. Cools the charge up to 50 degrees.
Dan Gafternoon to you...T.I.P posted a personal question to you about an hr ago... What is a throttle position sensor "enhancer" N have you ever used one with a fuel management unit in any of your builds?.....can you please answer/chime in on T.I.P's newly upload today.thx Dan
@@Neomustangs so a check valve to the MAP and FMU to the vacuum tree? Besides the installation, that's all I've caught so far. You also mentioned a tune won't be necessary?
I just bought my 1st 88 notch. It's a 306, milled heads, E-cam, Paxton Super Charger, Paxton FMU, Injectors, Mass air, ported typhoon intake, MSD ignition , BBK shorties, Catless H-pipe. I'm an LS hptuners guy so this is all new to me. I noticed when I cold start the car it surges really bad for maybe 3 minutes or so and then the idle straightens out. Someone told me last night the car has probably never been tuned and I shouldn't beat on it until then. It only makes about 5 psi and I plan to do a Holley system on it but for now is it okay or should I change to a different FMU? If I blow this bitch up it's getting a 5.3 LS with a big turbo!!!🤣🤣
Hey neo, I have a 3.8 new edge v6 and I’m replacing my fuel pump with an aeromotive 340 to bypass my pats system. What I’d like to ask you is will boost referencing my aeromotive regulator cause me fueling issues if I have stock 19# injectors? I’m going to try a ram air intake, no turbos, superchargers, or nitrous. Will I have any headache from my maf or should it be as simple as putting everything together? (Everything is solid the way it’s currently sitting, no issues)
I commented awhile back we have a 99 ford explorer 5.0 awd, and it recently started sputtering and misfiring on idle. Then last week itd barely go down the road so we been driving our civic. We bought the damn thing for 400 bucks and its a beast, u think the injectors are plugged/stuck open? Fuel pump going bad? Has fresh oil and plugs
A sloppy, cheap, homemade hotside turbo, on a clapped out 4.8, is easily capable of 550-600 whp and 9 second time slips. If this low buck turbo Windsor puts out reliable power thru a t5 and 11 second times, it may keep my foxbody from being ls swapped!
LS’ are capable, and I’ve seen them built to run incredible power for what they are. I’d have no problem at all running one in any GM product if I owned one. That said though, I’d rather have an 88hp 2.3 in a Fox than to LS swap it. If you want more power then go 351 or swap in a Coyote or Godzilla. Your choice obviously, it’s your car after all, but I couldn’t avoid the attempt at positive reinforcement. Good luck on your project whatever you decide !
That ls swap isn't as great as chevy guys want you to believe. I've doing LS in my Chevelle and its still expensive, even more for a mustang. And I've been researching the LS and theres problems you can run into like oil pump issues and lifters ,low oil pressure and the bottom end might be stout as far as crank but you can still break a rod.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Some choose to throw $ at a shiny project; others are resourceful with ugly, used "junk" and a limited budget. To each their own. Most have never experienced the ability to do rolling burnouts as far as you can stay on the throttle. Have you seen the results of Sloppy, Hunter Tuned, Dario, or Cesar Enriquez? No secrets or BS. Such cheap, reliable and safe rwhp was unthinkable 15 years ago.
@@1stamendmentsupporter i bought a whole 02 running Denali with 6.0 for 1,200(bad trans) . I've been wrenching on sbc and sbf since early 80s. Someone that knows what they're doing with a sbf or sbc can make just as much power and as an LS, and it was being done 20 years ago. They're doing LS only because you can buy whole vehicle for what someone wants for a sbc. I've not been sitting around watching other people build, I've been doing it.
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Dammmm Professor Dan! That was one heck of a class you held Bro! 🤯 I have heard of an FMU and had a general idea of what it was used for... but never had it explained in such good detail... I can't wait until you get Pops car running, so we can see the results of your experiment. Keep it real and keep doin the dam thang... 💯👊🏾
Ran an FMU with my stock bottom end 92 back in the day. Had 42s, a custom cam, intake, Canfield heads, and a Vortech . Made 475 at the tires through a Lentech AOD and ran bottom 11s @125 all day long. Probably had the pin pulled on the proverbial grenade at that level but I ran that setup at the track frequently and hammered it often on the street as well for over 50,000 miles before selling the car due to divorce among other domestic issues. I had NO idea folks were even thinking about FMUs anymore, thanks for the reminder !!!
Yes sir. All caught up in too much tuning
younger dude doin it old school...kudos Dan lots dont know these ol school trix...love this stuff !
Love this stuff, just goes to show you dont need to spend an arm and a leg to make a fun car. Im 24 and don't have a big budget for my fox, and this really helps me push the limits of what I can do, with what I can afford with mine. Thank you Dan!
Awesome video! Love the low buck experimental/education content! I've noticed back in the day that the speed density cars seen to run harder stock for stock compared to the mass air counterparts.
Yes
Man I really need to find me an old foxbody forgot how easy everything used to be. My very first car was a 90gt. And I’ve always had a foxbody with the old pushrod 5.0 but about 10 years ago I sold the fox I had and I’ve gotten into the mod motors since then. My old 2v isn’t as sensitive to absolutely needing tuning for every little mod but my 3v literally needs a retune every time I bolt something new on lol. I still watch all my favorite foxbody RUclips channels even though I haven’t had one for a long time. Really was planning on getting a coyote powered next but there’s plenty of those out there to get later think I should probably go ahead and find me a fox before it’s too late. Just bought a Kenne bell 2.1 for my 2v i was planning on getting the supercharger, longtubes stall and coil overs I have for it put on then selling it to buy the coyote mustang but I’m thinking about a fox now. I miss the simplicity. Plus the fact you don’t need major hp to get it running a decent et.
I had a Vortech HO A Trim kit with FMU back in the 90’s. Bought it when I got into college. Loved that setup on my ‘87 which I converted to MAF. Later upgraded to an S Trim and T Trim. Remember the B trim and R Trim?!! Man time flies.
Yes
I appreciate all the info on these SBF you give out i learned a lot watching your content 👌🏾
Back in 2006 when I installed my S trim kit my car was stock 87 bottom end, afr 165s, mighty Ecam, and trick flow track heat Intake. I put in fms 30 pound injectors and matched it up with the disc in the fmu and the car ran and drove great for years untuned on the factory A9L. Man those were much easier days. 😆
Yes take me back
Such great information Dan. You bring to light options I didn't even know existed. You have a great wealth of knowledge on these cars. I enjoy watching your videos and learning more about foxbodys. I hope to buy one and build it someday.
Ty
Love this build!! I was on the fence between a turbo and the S/C route with my 86 GT....your videos have made me go this turbo budget route for sure!! Love your old school builds like this!! Keep up the great content my man!
Glad I could help
Dan I wish I had half the knowledge you have on Fox body. Great video
Bro it’s so nice to see new vids with fox body’s never dies
Yes sir
Love this kind of content, hope you continue showing all the different options available to us less fortunate. Thanks!
Cool
This build n car is sweet Dan. Love the channel, old school all the way for me. Got my 17 year old son watching all ur videos 👍🏼 keep it up. Oh I bought a 96 explore with powerdyne charger on a few years back, definitely was am old build 😈 it had fmu. My brother watches u too he has 91 fox it had old vortech fmu 👍🏼 we are very familiar with them
Thanks for the video Neo! You and 50TUSSIN are the best foxbody channels out there hands down!
“in my last video, that nobody watched” hahaha
Nice! You had me lost for a while on that FMU thing. I kept thinking "Why not just crank up the fuel pressure regulator?"
This is a great way to make the fuel u need i have a na/t 2.2l subaru running 8 pounds and use a blox racing one they work !
Nice. I remember those old days. Another old school method was the extra injector in the intake pipe. A lot of GN guys did that and I saw some boosted fords with EFI and with carbs and an extra injector. Funny thing is, when the direct injection stuff was coming out sometimes there was no high flow pump and injectors or they were too expensive so people started doing it again to get extra fuel. Would be cool if you did that when the FMU reaches its limits.
Thanks for the info
@@Neomustangs No problem. If you aren't familiar with how it works you can google 7th injector and such terms. The extra injector is triggered by a positive pressure switch set around 3lbs manifold pressure then sprays full duty cycle. It also needs a rising rate fuel regulator but since you already have the FMU that would probably work. A bit foggy but I think that's how it works.
I've read those articles too👍
I had an extra injector spraying my supercharged Jeep XJ, 4.0L. The extra injector, in addition to adding the extra fuel, works like an intercooler, spraying fuel directly before it blows in to the engine. Cools the charge up to 50 degrees.
@@davefreers9540 Very cool. What was the setup to control the injector?
I keep watching you and brew2L on these turbo and thinking about doing it to my carb car
Do it they are consistant.
Terrific info
The man himself
Great video ,Dan, thanks
Ty
If I knew half the shit you do, I'd have mine running. Great content man!!!
Can't wait to see how Pops car runs. I have speed density in my car. Been thinking about converting to Mass Air but don't want to hack up the harness.
Yes sir
Dan Gafternoon to you...T.I.P posted a personal question to you about an hr ago...
What is a throttle position sensor "enhancer" N have you ever used one with a fuel management unit in any of your builds?.....can you please answer/chime in on T.I.P's newly upload today.thx Dan
Great video love that enthusiasm and info
Ty
Bro you are like a God to me Your buddy from another mother and another state. You are my brothers age he is 44
My fmu'd no tuned turbo fox made probably in excess of 600 crank hp back in the day, on 42's. Only "special" thing added was octane.
Cool
Good job Dan on explaining the Fmu. Will that much fuel pressure hurt the injectors or shorten the life o injectors
I don’t think so. Just gotta check rail screws and for leaks.
Great video and I used the same thing back in the day!!
Thx !
Loving dem old school mods neo!!
Good to know 💪🏿
Love fmus
Thanks!
Ty !
Are you saying with Speed Density, you don't need a check valve to the MAP, just a FMU?
Your coy look of confidence is hilarious D 😂
No you still need to check valve
@@Neomustangs so a check valve to the MAP and FMU to the vacuum tree? Besides the installation, that's all I've caught so far. You also mentioned a tune won't be necessary?
Always wondered why we can’t just jack the fuel pressure up based on load. Well, I guess that thing does it haha
Yes lol
Awesome content brother love it!!👊🏻
Ty !
Awesome man!
Ty
@@Neomustangs Yes sir! Always love the videos!
Nice video! Lol what you talking about? We all watched your last video
It was a joke lol !
@@Neomustangs lol I know. I meant it as a joke to your joke😂
I've got a MSD 6 BTM here that would do great for this build. I can deliver it tomorrow lol
What you want for the 2s
@@Neomustangs sold the 6al2 on ebay earlier this week. 6 btm missing the knob I'd do 150 on it
Thx
@@Neomustangs let me know if you want it. I'm local and can meet you or deliver. A kid I've done some work for lives across from you
I just bought my 1st 88 notch. It's a 306, milled heads, E-cam, Paxton Super Charger, Paxton FMU, Injectors, Mass air, ported typhoon intake, MSD ignition , BBK shorties, Catless H-pipe. I'm an LS hptuners guy so this is all new to me. I noticed when I cold start the car it surges really bad for maybe 3 minutes or so and then the idle straightens out. Someone told me last night the car has probably never been tuned and I shouldn't beat on it until then. It only makes about 5 psi and I plan to do a Holley system on it but for now is it okay or should I change to a different FMU? If I blow this bitch up it's getting a 5.3 LS with a big turbo!!!🤣🤣
Hey neo, I have a 3.8 new edge v6 and I’m replacing my fuel pump with an aeromotive 340 to bypass my pats system. What I’d like to ask you is will boost referencing my aeromotive regulator cause me fueling issues if I have stock 19# injectors? I’m going to try a ram air intake, no turbos, superchargers, or nitrous. Will I have any headache from my maf or should it be as simple as putting everything together? (Everything is solid the way it’s currently sitting, no issues)
Hey man, what would you consider a safe amount of psi in the fuel system?
Who who who oooooot
Let me know when u get your decals
At 2:41 that’s axle looks bent…looks like mine.. lol
That’s the wheel.
Old school shi# that works.
Yes sir
Can you still use fmu if you use a pimp xs or term x ? Probably just curious
I wouldn’t
Lengthen the injector pulse and shell run 9's.....lol
Who knows
Dan. So tuning wise. Do you just set it to like 8 degrees initial and send it?
Shit I’m at 13 degrees lol. I don’t think you touch timing till after 7/8 pounds. Rule of thumb.
@@Neomustangs sheesh! I didnt realise you guys partied like that. I Figured wot timing would have been to aggresive. Im glad I asked. Thanks dude
Lol
The Ltd is gonna fly this year Lil bro
🔔😎👍👍👍😁
😙💨💨👍🚦good one🚦
Thanks ✌
How much boost you running with that fmu
8
I commented awhile back we have a 99 ford explorer 5.0 awd, and it recently started sputtering and misfiring on idle. Then last week itd barely go down the road so we been driving our civic. We bought the damn thing for 400 bucks and its a beast, u think the injectors are plugged/stuck open? Fuel pump going bad? Has fresh oil and plugs
Could be all of those !
How much ring gap are you running?
25
A sloppy, cheap, homemade hotside turbo, on a clapped out 4.8, is easily capable of 550-600 whp and 9 second time slips.
If this low buck turbo Windsor puts out reliable power thru a t5 and 11 second times, it may keep my foxbody from being ls swapped!
LS’ are capable, and I’ve seen them built to run incredible power for what they are. I’d have no problem at all running one in any GM product if I owned one. That said though, I’d rather have an 88hp 2.3 in a Fox than to LS swap it. If you want more power then go 351 or swap in a Coyote or Godzilla. Your choice obviously, it’s your car after all, but I couldn’t avoid the attempt at positive reinforcement. Good luck on your project whatever you decide !
ITs already done that. With less.
That ls swap isn't as great as chevy guys want you to believe. I've doing LS in my Chevelle and its still expensive, even more for a mustang. And I've been researching the LS and theres problems you can run into like oil pump issues and lifters ,low oil pressure and the bottom end might be stout as far as crank but you can still break a rod.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Some choose to throw $ at a shiny project; others are resourceful with ugly, used "junk" and a limited budget. To each their own.
Most have never experienced the ability to do rolling burnouts as far as you can stay on the throttle.
Have you seen the results of Sloppy, Hunter Tuned, Dario, or Cesar Enriquez? No secrets or BS. Such cheap, reliable and safe rwhp was unthinkable 15 years ago.
@@1stamendmentsupporter i bought a whole 02 running Denali with 6.0 for 1,200(bad trans) . I've been wrenching on sbc and sbf since early 80s. Someone that knows what they're doing with a sbf or sbc can make just as much power and as an LS, and it was being done 20 years ago. They're doing LS only because you can buy whole vehicle for what someone wants for a sbc. I've not been sitting around watching other people build, I've been doing it.
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