I don't understand why anyone thinks ops wife has an obligation to this kid. So she used be married to his Dad bf the kid was even convinced. How does that make her responsible? So its her kids sibling - still not her kid, still not her responsibility. My ex had a kid wheb we split up. He died and then his wife died yesrs later. Nobody thought I had a responsibility to their kid.
Also if he supposedly doesn't want to get pregnant or have any more kids with anybody, and he likes to raw dog, then why the hell doesn't he have a vasectomy?
Second story has me confused… OP’s wife is not the mother of the ex’s son. It sounds like she was a girlfriend who was consistently put in bad situations and whose daughter was yoinked from her as leverage. Doesn’t sound like she is a monster or was intentionally blaming the son,,, sounds like she was a girlfriend who did not take up the mantle to be a parent to that son when she was already trying to sort things out for her daughter and herself.
No they were married I believe. And had a bad break up that involved the ex trying to say bad sh!t about her to get leverage for the kid. Then he remarried, had another kid, that woman lost custody, and then the husband died. So OP wanted to take in his wife’s late-ex husband’s child bc he himself is infertile so he’s very family oriented and wants to keep the half brother of/with OP’s step daughter instead of him going into the foster system
Maybe it’s to late for Sam to process this that kid isn’t hers she did nothing wrong she didn’t abandon her own child she choose not to build a relationship with a kid that wasn’t hers which is normal she it really a saint for taking in her exes child
Nah, Sam, come off it. Before her ex died, OP's wife had no obligation to form a relationship with Levi. She still has no obligation to him, and if she had declined the suggestion, she still would not have been a monster because of it. You don't need a reason to not want to take in any kid that isn't yours (looking at you, Kara) let alone your ex's kid. Her responsibility is to her own daughter. She wasn't avoiding or resenting Levi. She was avoiding her ex, who had sole custody of Levi. What reason would she have to form a relationship with Levi? Just because Levi is her daughter's sibling doesn't mean she needs to connect with him. As long as she was giving her daughter access to her brother, she wasn't doing anything wrong. Levi's situation is heartbreaking, but you can be sympathetic to someone's situation without taking it on yourself to be responsible for resolving that situation. It's great that she is considering taking on that responsibility, but she isn't redeeming anything because there's nothing to redeem. Lay off.
Yeah, obviously Sams never been in an abusive relationship like that. She was right to keep her distance, the fact some people don't get this is beyond me...🤷
Being a parent is so much work. And it is expensive! OP never talks about the logistics about bringing a small child into the house. The man only talks about ‘love’ ‘having a family’ but none of the work. Do they have space? Do they have the money? Does OP do equal work in the household? I get a bad vibe off of OP that he’ll hold her resistance to taking on Levi over her head. I don’t think it’s going to end well.
I’m so glad to see that there are people in the comments that know unequivocally that OP’s wife would in no way be the asshole for not automatically feeling obligated to take on someone else’s child; as if that isn’t a huge undertaking and lifelong commitment. I’m thrilled for the outcome, but that it was being alluded to that she might be anything less than a totally reasonable human being for not making that decision was a little more than a little absurd…
I get you. I’ve been in an abusive relationships and it took me long to actually say it was abuse. She got put back into trauma. She later on agreed because she got calm again and logically processed everything. Abuse is something that changes the way you think.
The kinship foster story i think you didn’t comprehend properly the story. Op said his wife didn’t like to go do custody drop off because of the ex, not because she didn’t want to see her daughter’s half brother. And op was wording things wrongly. He said he was worried his wife wouldn’t want to take in Levi,.. not that she defiantly didn’t. Just he was worried it might come to that and he wanted advice BEFORE he ever talked to her about Levi. That’s a whole different story so when at the end op wrote i hope it doesn’t make anyone think bad of his wife and then Sam said well we kinda do because she didn’t want to see the boy Levi,.. thats not what happened it was just op’s choice of verbiage.
Yes. It sounded to me like she was afraid to develop a bond with a child that she had no legal rights to, because her ex was such a horrible person and might rip him away from her. I never took it that she had anything against the child.
@@kskidspastor like whoa a woman who was abused by a guy doesn’t want to put the abuser in a position where he can’t easily continue to abuse her? That’s so crazy how selfish of her to not stay close to her abuser. Like she didn’t avoid Levi because she didn’t like him she avoided him because his sole parent was her abuser that’s why she agreed to it after said abuser was out of the picture I’d be willing to bet (OP even says he thinks she distanced herself BECAUSE she knew she’d love Levi and didn’t want her abuser to have the leverage over her)
Heads up people with kids. The first parent to file for parental rights/custody, is usually the person who gets legal custody, even if they've never met the child. Save yourself a ton of hell and go to the courthouse and file as custodial parent. My sis lost her kid this way. I maintained custody of mine because I was first to file.
Being in an abusive relationship ruins you mentally and emotionally. She had no obligation to take in Levi or form a connection with him before his dad died. She didn’t even need to after, it’s just the morally right thing to do. Also she was already trying her best letting her kid have a relationship with Levi, she’s been more than gracious
I’m so confused about the reactions to the wife not creating a relationship to her ex’s kid. It’s not her kid so she has nothing to “redeem”. She never “abandoned” the child and she’s actually a saint for taking him in. I feel like y’all were confused. She is not the kids mom
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For the Levi (potential foster care story), it would be a kinship placement and the category of “fictive kin”. Neither adult is related to the child but there is a connection with the wife being the ex and the shared sibling who have met and formed a bond. Overall the placement would still qualify for kinship placement in which the parents can attend classes and become certified foster parents for the child, receive a stipend to assist with care of the child and so on. I’m glad the wife agreed and they are moving forward with working towards placement.
The cosmic taco-Bless you. My mother was very religious but would never and did never turn her back on one of us and some of us had some moral situations that differed from her beliefs. She was always there for us. I had a wonderful mother. Sad to say she is gone now.
❤️ Honestly, I’m better off now. I’m married to a doctor. I have a great kid. I have 2 semesters left of university. I’m thriving and she’s miserable and sad. She has gotten the karma she deserves.
i think they got it confused. levi is not op's child, or his wife's child. the child's father is op's wife's ex-husband, who had a child with another person. and now he has passed away. op's wife has 0 obligation to take care of the child, but in my heart i want them to take him in. the foster system is a scary, scary place and children who grow up in the system end up as broken adults.
That's how I found you guys on tiktok when you first started out. I think I started watching after you had 3 videos out back then. I listen to you guys all the time during work. Helps the day go by quicker
Not Sam completely misunderstanding OP's wife's relationship to Levi 😂 she's not his bio mom and has no obligation to have a relationship with her ex's kid from the ex's more recent failed relationship 😬 its very big of OP's wife to recognize that her daughter's relationship with Levi is important enough for her to take him in!
I went through the same thing with my ex. He told me for 5 years that if I divorced him I will never see the kids again. This men is terrible, I ran out of money for lawyers after expending 20k. He only wanted me to get supervised visitations. Made all kind of lies but money talks. I only got to see them every other weekend. Re Married 3 months after the divorce and try to make her their new mom. It was laughable because I’m my kids favorite person. They suffer a lot. They are all over 18 years old and this men is still trying to control me seeing the kids. It’s not easy and I totally understand. You have to be very strong to deal with ppl like that
My conspiracy theory at 15:11 is that the wife is just a messenger. The husband wants someone to take care of him in his old age, and he thinks that because OP has a toddler, he might be able to 'bribe' her into thinking she needs to be with him and he would have her. I think he just wants to use OP and uses the toddler to try to manipulate her. Since he doesn't have a wife anymore, he tries to go for OP.
That thought crossed my mind too or another thought is he wants to take custody of the child. I wouldn’t talk to either of them. Why open the door to anything happening to jeopardize your custody!
@@stirrednotshaken4823 Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a deeper master plan. He's too selfish to up and decide to be a father. Since she doesn't know the siblings, I'd be afraid they'd do something to the child because they're mad their family was broken.
I think you guys are confused with the second story that woman is not obligated to take care of two other people's child she hates her ex she didn't want to see the kid and get attached to him because she hates the ex she's not obligated to take care of that child it's not hers
dam that 2nd story hits hard. my cuz has 5 or 6 kids whose dads don't want them & the state took them from her & my uncle, her dad, is a shyt bag so those babies are in the wind 🥺
Guys guys wth? The last story I was like did I miss something? She’s not a monster for reliving trauma OP knows nothing about, no one does only her and her ex. She’s not a monster for thinking about putting her and her child before anyone else. That’s not her child, it’s an awful situation for sure but the fact his own family is a shit show doesn’t mean she’s responsible for clearing it up! Don’t love your opinions on that one at alllllll :(
It ticks me off when scummy people cheat and aren’t careful at all get pregnant, because duh, and act like the pregnancy is what’s ruining the relationships and not the scum bags!!!
A womans perspective on the first story, you don't fuck around with guys that threaten you. Especially someone as manipulative as that man was. You're extremely vulnerable when you're pregnant and afterwards you dont want any harm to come to you or your kid. The whole idea of "taking him down" even if he deserves it, opens you and your family up to more abuse and if it gets bad enough, violence. It's not worth it.
She knew he was married, and still she stayed with him. People don’t have unprotected sex unless they want to get pregnant. She deserves everything that the wife has to say to her.
I think she was just naive. I don’t think she was trying to get pregnant by him at that time. She was tracking her period to avoid it. I think she was an idiot but not a malicious one
Don’t think she was malicious but tracking cycles to not get pregnant is not the best way to avoid pregnancy. Sperm can live inside for 5 days so you have to be very careful and can get pregnant a lot easier than using other methods to protect against pregnancy
He lied to her and said that his wife was okay with it she was just young and naive and believed him. It’s not her fault that she believed the man was separated and only married for the kids. Because that’s a pretty normal thing.
@@emilyjohn2034 He is married! MARRIED!! What part of that is so difficult to understand. She brought this on her self the second she agreed to stay with him knowing that he has a wife and kids.
I think I'd be more in love with my wife for having the heart to take in her toxic ex's child. I'm assuming she's going to love him like she would her own but I'm also afraid of this being the villain back story if said kid ends up acting like his father or wife becomes toxic her damn self towards the child.
OP in story one should absolutely allow her child to know it's siblings. She might not like it but it should be about the child not her. The child didn't ask to be an affair baby and deserves to know whatever family it has that wants to meet it. Children deserve all the love and support they can get. We owe them that much. Just my opinion.
It sounds like she will eventually, she just doesn’t see it as important right now as he’s only 2. I agree though that the children on both sides deserve that relationship. It could foster resentment in the future if her son finds out that she kept his half siblings a secret.
@kshoo9491 I did post before finishing the story which I shouldn't ha e done. I do hope she does let them meet later in life. I have three siblings and we don't call it whole or half. We are just siblings. I wouldn't trade those relationships for anything
There is a big difference between siblings that are close in age and a toddler and almost adults. And if she is thinking about her child’s wellbeing she’d keep her kid far away from that family because the dad is clearly unstable and should not be trusted near her child
30:27 as someone who was in an abusive relationship, I understand her. At first, she was reliving the trauma, afterwards she digested it and realized the kid didn’t deserve to carry her hatred of her abuser
I became close friends with my ex husband's "affair". My 4 kids and their 1 child all know each other. My ex husband is no longer in the picture. I would talk to her. Find out who she is, and what she is actually about. You may be surprised.
Yeah she’s being selfish on the first story. As someone who’s dad cheated on my mom who he was engaged to. I really want to know my sibling. I’ve tried hard thru the mom (who was a btch and didn’t want me to meet him) to going to his school and trying to meet him. I just hate that cause he might grow up and find out about them and want to meet him.
1st story: I don’t think she’s a monster at all and the way Sam is viewing it seems very simplistic. If she didn’t want to take on the kid she wouldn’t necessarily by a monster and she wasn’t a monster for not wanting to get close to the kid. You keep framing it as her hating her ex, but OP says the relationship was damn near abusive, and it sounds like it left some trauma so maybe she deserves a little empathy?
To the taco call in lady. Me being a kid once who did the same thing, and becoming an adult, and becoming a parent. First let me say that her parents did overreact a little bit. But! It wasn't her parents fault that she didn't finish high school. She definitely has to take accountability for her disobeying the rules. And doing things she know she's not supposed to be doing. Should have been given up that cosmic taco 😂😂😂. But... Frfr... It's definitely a great failure on both parts.
You guys are so wrong for your judgment of the mother taking in her ex's child. Why would she have a relationship or have formed a bond with a child who is not hers and lived with her abusive ex! It's nice that she did it but it would be totally understandable if she didn't. The AHs are all of that child's biological family. And her ex for treating her that way when he was alive.
I hate to break it to a lot of people but staying with someone just because of the kids is not good for the kids. That’s very toxic actually because they can see that resentment grow also because someone had a baby with two separate people doesn’t mean it’s good for the kids to get together and be close. Is it ideal yes Can it turn into my beautiful wonderful thing, but it can also turn into a very messy situation a very toxic and traumatizing situation for the children. Also kids to consent all of this so I agree with by keeping her from all the drama issues going on he was clearly a predator of some sort because she was 26 and he was 42. That’s just predatory to me. I, feel like we have to remember that age is a number and should be considerate consider it until you’re like in your 40s because you don’t have the capability to cognitively think like a full adult does when you’re in your early 20s it’s between 24 and 29 to 30 that we develop Cognitive skills or frontal lobe so our consequences where we learn consequences and things like that so your brain isn’t fully developed longer so that being said some predatory situation going on if you ask me my opinion, but I am not a professional so let’s keep that in mind alsoI think he was probably gonna do something to her with the way that he reacted when he couldn’t find her and all this other stuff so yeah I don’t think she should meet with the kids right off the bat. I think she needs to really sit back and assess and get to know the wife maybe her just meet the wife but do not bring your kids into the situation until you know it is 100% safe.
39:36 that’s hella mean. I get he shouldn’t have cornered them but if he’s a junkie, he’ll do anything for his next fix. I get it’s easy for us to judge, but withdrawal symptoms are terrible.
24:01 I'm going to have to disagree with both of you. Full heartedly takes custody of a child to a point that you had no legal chance of getting the child and it's been several months maybe even a few years of you not having that child why would you fight for that child again when you have less contact with that child in the first place. Not to mention biologically it's not her kid so she has no legal or biological moral value to even fight for the kids. Yes it does suck but it's not her problem no matter who says it should be. Even if they take in the child He would be the only one taking care of them, and you can't get mad at her for not wanting to if she doesn't want to and he can't complain about it either as it was his choice to take him in and not hers. Kind of like when one partner gets a pet and expect the other partner to also take care of the pet when they didn't want the pet in the first place. And then everyone call the other partner and asshole because they don't want to help take care of a pet that they didn't want. People need to stop thinking morally responsibilities is someone else's just because as an excuse
I'm sorry but for a 26-year-old OP should've known better; it's not like she's 18. Ladies (and some gentlemen), if you find out your boyfriend is married and gives you every excuse as to why him and his wife are in this arrangement, you need to leave. You are playing with fire and it's a dangerous game. I felt like OP believed she had a one-up on the wife and hoped her ex would leave his wife for her and raise their kid. And it didn't end up that way; hence why she's in her current situation and still covering for him by not telling his wife the full truth because it would make her look bad. She's very lucky he did end her permanently that night when he contacted her.
Yes, it may sound stupid, but it's a divorce when they actually get a divorce. No "we're just together for the kids", no "I'm just waiting for (insert anything)". He/she is divorced when they present you the divorce decree.
I agree I wouldn’t do that at 26. I’m 27 as of march but hey something ppl still do dumb stuff after the brain develops lol. At least she learned and more importantly realized where she went wrong tol
She literally says she never expected him to leave his wife for her. Stop blaming the young woman who got manipulated by a crappy creep. Staying married while being separated is extremely normal if your kids aren’t adults yet. She was naive yes but had no reason to not believe him.
@@emilyjohn2034 Still she should have left if they were separated. Divorce means when a two people's marriage completely ends, not when they're "in the process". I am not defending this man at all, but given her age she should have known better that these situations happen when (1) having unprotected relations can result in an unwanted pregnancy (2) getting into a relationship with a still married man. How many stories have you listened to where the man has ended the woman because he didn't want the pregnancy? Before he tried convincing her to get rid of her pregnancy, she was still hoping for a future with this man.
@@rangecat except separated but not fully divorced is actually a legal thing. Separation DOES mean you can be with other people especially since many places require up to multiple years of separation before divorce can be finalized.
Correction on first story- if you arent on birth control, expect a birth. Nothing less. You cant say you Didn’t plan a baby when you let him literally make a baby on you with no protection 😂 give me a breeaaaakkk.
Well, she did admit she was careless and foolish and not thinking things through. It’s accurate to say she wasn’t expecting a baby. She was just very stupid.
Bro you guys screw up stories constantly lol. I get it’s 2:00 am but damn it’s frustrating listening to you botch every detail lol. The child in foster care was NOT the child of OP’s wife. The ex who died was the child’s father. She has no responsibility to take that child if she doesn’t want to.
I think op is the ahole for knowingly staying involved with a married man but it does seem like she realizes she was in the wrong. The husband definitely the number one ahold though for cheating in the first place.
I feel sorry for pregnant affair women ,which i shouldn't she was equally to blame for the affair, but can you imagine someone saying get ride of it I want nothing to do with it . What a piece of meat she must of felt like.
She was not all equally to blame the guy LIED to her and said that it was the arrangement he had with his wife that they were separated and only married for the kids. Was she maybe blissfully ignorant? Sure but she was also young and naive and taken advantage of. She don’t cheat because she believed it was all above board
Yeah haha their take on the wife needing to “redeem” herself and that she “abandoned the kid” or would be if she didn’t take him in… like it’s not her kid lol. There was nothing to redeem? She’s a total saint for taking him in ESPECIALLY given she still suffers from ptsd from her ex.
I don't understand why anyone thinks ops wife has an obligation to this kid. So she used be married to his Dad bf the kid was even convinced. How does that make her responsible? So its her kids sibling - still not her kid, still not her responsibility. My ex had a kid wheb we split up. He died and then his wife died yesrs later. Nobody thought I had a responsibility to their kid.
No glove no love …. Unless you’re trying to get pregnant!
Also if he supposedly doesn't want to get pregnant or have any more kids with anybody, and he likes to raw dog, then why the hell doesn't he have a vasectomy?
Second story has me confused… OP’s wife is not the mother of the ex’s son. It sounds like she was a girlfriend who was consistently put in bad situations and whose daughter was yoinked from her as leverage. Doesn’t sound like she is a monster or was intentionally blaming the son,,, sounds like she was a girlfriend who did not take up the mantle to be a parent to that son when she was already trying to sort things out for her daughter and herself.
No they were married I believe. And had a bad break up that involved the ex trying to say bad sh!t about her to get leverage for the kid. Then he remarried, had another kid, that woman lost custody, and then the husband died. So OP wanted to take in his wife’s late-ex husband’s child bc he himself is infertile so he’s very family oriented and wants to keep the half brother of/with OP’s step daughter instead of him going into the foster system
Maybe it’s to late for Sam to process this that kid isn’t hers she did nothing wrong she didn’t abandon her own child she choose not to build a relationship with a kid that wasn’t hers which is normal she it really a saint for taking in her exes child
Sam is a tad over tired I think 😂
Nah, Sam, come off it. Before her ex died, OP's wife had no obligation to form a relationship with Levi. She still has no obligation to him, and if she had declined the suggestion, she still would not have been a monster because of it. You don't need a reason to not want to take in any kid that isn't yours (looking at you, Kara) let alone your ex's kid. Her responsibility is to her own daughter. She wasn't avoiding or resenting Levi. She was avoiding her ex, who had sole custody of Levi. What reason would she have to form a relationship with Levi? Just because Levi is her daughter's sibling doesn't mean she needs to connect with him. As long as she was giving her daughter access to her brother, she wasn't doing anything wrong. Levi's situation is heartbreaking, but you can be sympathetic to someone's situation without taking it on yourself to be responsible for resolving that situation. It's great that she is considering taking on that responsibility, but she isn't redeeming anything because there's nothing to redeem. Lay off.
Yeah, obviously Sams never been in an abusive relationship like that. She was right to keep her distance, the fact some people don't get this is beyond me...🤷
Being a parent is so much work. And it is expensive! OP never talks about the logistics about bringing a small child into the house. The man only talks about ‘love’ ‘having a family’ but none of the work. Do they have space? Do they have the money? Does OP do equal work in the household? I get a bad vibe off of OP that he’ll hold her resistance to taking on Levi over her head. I don’t think it’s going to end well.
I’m so glad to see that there are people in the comments that know unequivocally that OP’s wife would in no way be the asshole for not automatically feeling obligated to take on someone else’s child; as if that isn’t a huge undertaking and lifelong commitment. I’m thrilled for the outcome, but that it was being alluded to that she might be anything less than a totally reasonable human being for not making that decision was a little more than a little absurd…
Pretty sure he was just mixing some of what John was reading about OP’s wife and the ex-husband’s ex-wife/Levi’s mom.
I get you. I’ve been in an abusive relationships and it took me long to actually say it was abuse. She got put back into trauma. She later on agreed because she got calm again and logically processed everything. Abuse is something that changes the way you think.
The kinship foster story i think you didn’t comprehend properly the story. Op said his wife didn’t like to go do custody drop off because of the ex, not because she didn’t want to see her daughter’s half brother. And op was wording things wrongly. He said he was worried his wife wouldn’t want to take in Levi,.. not that she defiantly didn’t. Just he was worried it might come to that and he wanted advice BEFORE he ever talked to her about Levi. That’s a whole different story so when at the end op wrote i hope it doesn’t make anyone think bad of his wife and then Sam said well we kinda do because she didn’t want to see the boy Levi,.. thats not what happened it was just op’s choice of verbiage.
Yes. It sounded to me like she was afraid to develop a bond with a child that she had no legal rights to, because her ex was such a horrible person and might rip him away from her. I never took it that she had anything against the child.
@@kskidspastor like whoa a woman who was abused by a guy doesn’t want to put the abuser in a position where he can’t easily continue to abuse her? That’s so crazy how selfish of her to not stay close to her abuser. Like she didn’t avoid Levi because she didn’t like him she avoided him because his sole parent was her abuser that’s why she agreed to it after said abuser was out of the picture I’d be willing to bet (OP even says he thinks she distanced herself BECAUSE she knew she’d love Levi and didn’t want her abuser to have the leverage over her)
Heads up people with kids. The first parent to file for parental rights/custody, is usually the person who gets legal custody, even if they've never met the child. Save yourself a ton of hell and go to the courthouse and file as custodial parent. My sis lost her kid this way. I maintained custody of mine because I was first to file.
Being in an abusive relationship ruins you mentally and emotionally. She had no obligation to take in Levi or form a connection with him before his dad died. She didn’t even need to after, it’s just the morally right thing to do. Also she was already trying her best letting her kid have a relationship with Levi, she’s been more than gracious
“Oh God!”-John
I’m so confused about the reactions to the wife not creating a relationship to her ex’s kid. It’s not her kid so she has nothing to “redeem”. She never “abandoned” the child and she’s actually a saint for taking him in. I feel like y’all were confused. She is not the kids mom
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For the Levi (potential foster care story), it would be a kinship placement and the category of “fictive kin”. Neither adult is related to the child but there is a connection with the wife being the ex and the shared sibling who have met and formed a bond. Overall the placement would still qualify for kinship placement in which the parents can attend classes and become certified foster parents for the child, receive a stipend to assist with care of the child and so on. I’m glad the wife agreed and they are moving forward with working towards placement.
the only fictive kin i ever heard about is people that think theyre cartoon characters. cool to know
Riley’s sleepy giggles crack me up
The cosmic taco-Bless you. My mother was very religious but would never and did never turn her back on one of us and some of us had some moral situations that differed from her beliefs. She was always there for us. I had a wonderful mother. Sad to say she is gone now.
I'm sorry for your loss but I'm glad she was good mom.
45:59 THEY DESTROYED HER FUTURE! She needs therapy! And she deserves more. Omfg imma get a law degree just to fight for you😤
❤️ Honestly, I’m better off now. I’m married to a doctor. I have a great kid. I have 2 semesters left of university. I’m thriving and she’s miserable and sad. She has gotten the karma she deserves.
i think they got it confused. levi is not op's child, or his wife's child. the child's father is op's wife's ex-husband, who had a child with another person. and now he has passed away. op's wife has 0 obligation to take care of the child, but in my heart i want them to take him in. the foster system is a scary, scary place and children who grow up in the system end up as broken adults.
That's how I found you guys on tiktok when you first started out. I think I started watching after you had 3 videos out back then. I listen to you guys all the time during work. Helps the day go by quicker
Not Sam completely misunderstanding OP's wife's relationship to Levi 😂 she's not his bio mom and has no obligation to have a relationship with her ex's kid from the ex's more recent failed relationship 😬 its very big of OP's wife to recognize that her daughter's relationship with Levi is important enough for her to take him in!
I went through the same thing with my ex. He told me for 5 years that if I divorced him I will never see the kids again. This men is terrible, I ran out of money for lawyers after expending 20k. He only wanted me to get supervised visitations. Made all kind of lies but money talks. I only got to see them every other weekend. Re Married 3 months after the divorce and try to make her their new mom. It was laughable because I’m my kids favorite person. They suffer a lot. They are all over 18 years old and this men is still trying to control me seeing the kids. It’s not easy and I totally understand. You have to be very strong to deal with ppl like that
It's horrid that you've had to go through all of that, and your kids. I wish you all the best.
IM SORRY WHAT 44:26 PRINCETON😭 OMFG some of your high school friends need to help you sue your family.
I’m very proud of you for this recent taking off of your channel. Glad to be here 😊
Me who’s watched too much true crime listening to affair story: do they need organs or are they in a cult? 😂
So happy to be here. Stuck in hospital, and your shows make it easier to go through this.
I always will have OkOp reruns 😂❤
Sad to hear you're in the hospital and I hope you're doing ok
My conspiracy theory at 15:11 is that the wife is just a messenger. The husband wants someone to take care of him in his old age, and he thinks that because OP has a toddler, he might be able to 'bribe' her into thinking she needs to be with him and he would have her. I think he just wants to use OP and uses the toddler to try to manipulate her. Since he doesn't have a wife anymore, he tries to go for OP.
That thought crossed my mind too or another thought is he wants to take custody of the child. I wouldn’t talk to either of them. Why open the door to anything happening to jeopardize your custody!
@@stirrednotshaken4823 Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a deeper master plan. He's too selfish to up and decide to be a father. Since she doesn't know the siblings, I'd be afraid they'd do something to the child because they're mad their family was broken.
I think you guys are confused with the second story that woman is not obligated to take care of two other people's child she hates her ex she didn't want to see the kid and get attached to him because she hates the ex she's not obligated to take care of that child it's not hers
dam that 2nd story hits hard. my cuz has 5 or 6 kids whose dads don't want them & the state took them from her & my uncle, her dad, is a shyt bag so those babies are in the wind 🥺
Guys guys wth? The last story I was like did I miss something? She’s not a monster for reliving trauma OP knows nothing about, no one does only her and her ex. She’s not a monster for thinking about putting her and her child before anyone else. That’s not her child, it’s an awful situation for sure but the fact his own family is a shit show doesn’t mean she’s responsible for clearing it up! Don’t love your opinions on that one at alllllll :(
the way i kept refreshing all day for a new video / live 😂😭
I wouldn’t want access to my ex child regardless of them being my child’s sibling. I would have no legal right. This take makes no sense.
25:12 again...not her child
30:01 and she took in the kids swell news.
30:49 it's not
31:14 she doesn't have to nor does she have something to redeem lol
Never let a married man go raw dog 😅
Never let any man go raw dog.
Ooor ... here's something pretty novel... Don't get your kitty pounded by a married man period
We should upgrade the conspiracy thats to pasta strainers❤
R'amen.
Sam’s voice gets soooooo deep. He could sing like Viking ballads lol
Did the boys ever figure out that the wife wasnt related to Levi? Lol
Guess I'll chug this episode down before the live stream!
She should get to know the wife before she introduces her child into the mix, just on the off chance that the wife is bent on revenge.
Cosmic I’m so proud of you way to go 👏🙌🥰🥰
You did not say "gurthy" 🤣💙
This episode sooo great!!! I love you guys and I love the whole fam!!!
Hi guys! I was wondering if you guys seen the ice swan bride has a recent update.
Another one...oh my i thought the free boob job and the affair was the end
They read it on a stream
Nooo way damn I missed it lol
@@erima4270 really? I must have missed it. I got the update on a random video. I was laughing she said grab your popcorn lol
@@vickym2346 it was good update lol. It leaves with a few cliff hangers
It ticks me off when scummy people cheat and aren’t careful at all get pregnant, because duh, and act like the pregnancy is what’s ruining the relationships and not the scum bags!!!
A womans perspective on the first story, you don't fuck around with guys that threaten you. Especially someone as manipulative as that man was. You're extremely vulnerable when you're pregnant and afterwards you dont want any harm to come to you or your kid. The whole idea of "taking him down" even if he deserves it, opens you and your family up to more abuse and if it gets bad enough, violence. It's not worth it.
She knew he was married, and still she stayed with him. People don’t have unprotected sex unless they want to get pregnant.
She deserves everything that the wife has to say to her.
I think she was just naive. I don’t think she was trying to get pregnant by him at that time. She was tracking her period to avoid it.
I think she was an idiot but not a malicious one
Don’t think she was malicious but tracking cycles to not get pregnant is not the best way to avoid pregnancy. Sperm can live inside for 5 days so you have to be very careful and can get pregnant a lot easier than using other methods to protect against pregnancy
@@victoriaodegaard1she said herself she wanted to have his kid lol
He lied to her and said that his wife was okay with it she was just young and naive and believed him. It’s not her fault that she believed the man was separated and only married for the kids. Because that’s a pretty normal thing.
@@emilyjohn2034 He is married! MARRIED!! What part of that is so difficult to understand. She brought this on her self the second she agreed to stay with him knowing that he has a wife and kids.
31:08 it was not her kid though? How is she a monster ?
45:39 put her in a home and get her to get your letter and go to court
I think I'd be more in love with my wife for having the heart to take in her toxic ex's child. I'm assuming she's going to love him like she would her own but I'm also afraid of this being the villain back story if said kid ends up acting like his father or wife becomes toxic her damn self towards the child.
Had to know these stories mainly come from Ga, FL, or TX 😂😂😂wild shit always comes from those states
OP in story one should absolutely allow her child to know it's siblings.
She might not like it but it should be about the child not her.
The child didn't ask to be an affair baby and deserves to know whatever family it has that wants to meet it.
Children deserve all the love and support they can get. We owe them that much.
Just my opinion.
It sounds like she will eventually, she just doesn’t see it as important right now as he’s only 2. I agree though that the children on both sides deserve that relationship. It could foster resentment in the future if her son finds out that she kept his half siblings a secret.
@kshoo9491 I did post before finishing the story which I shouldn't ha e done. I do hope she does let them meet later in life. I have three siblings and we don't call it whole or half. We are just siblings. I wouldn't trade those relationships for anything
There is a big difference between siblings that are close in age and a toddler and almost adults. And if she is thinking about her child’s wellbeing she’d keep her kid far away from that family because the dad is clearly unstable and should not be trusted near her child
And to keep contact to know of any potential health issues from his side (diabetes, heart, cancer)
I also appreciate the gifted memberships!
30:27 as someone who was in an abusive relationship, I understand her. At first, she was reliving the trauma, afterwards she digested it and realized the kid didn’t deserve to carry her hatred of her abuser
I became close friends with my ex husband's "affair". My 4 kids and their 1 child all know each other. My ex husband is no longer in the picture. I would talk to her. Find out who she is, and what she is actually about. You may be surprised.
40:48 this song is in my head now! 😫😩😭😭
Yeah she’s being selfish on the first story. As someone who’s dad cheated on my mom who he was engaged to. I really want to know my sibling. I’ve tried hard thru the mom (who was a btch and didn’t want me to meet him) to going to his school and trying to meet him. I just hate that cause he might grow up and find out about them and want to meet him.
Sleepless Happy Birthday 🎉🎁🎂🎈🎊🥰🥰
43:55 this is literally the other Cinderella story with Selena gomaz
The exs son was not his wife’s son. She is not a bad person for refusing to have a relationship with her exs who has no connection to her
😂 You guys are so gnarly with the jokes jokes, Sophia and Riley keep it PG 😅
1st story: I don’t think she’s a monster at all and the way Sam is viewing it seems very simplistic. If she didn’t want to take on the kid she wouldn’t necessarily by a monster and she wasn’t a monster for not wanting to get close to the kid. You keep framing it as her hating her ex, but OP says the relationship was damn near abusive, and it sounds like it left some trauma so maybe she deserves a little empathy?
Oh I've never heard the origin story!
To the taco call in lady. Me being a kid once who did the same thing, and becoming an adult, and becoming a parent. First let me say that her parents did overreact a little bit. But! It wasn't her parents fault that she didn't finish high school. She definitely has to take accountability for her disobeying the rules. And doing things she know she's not supposed to be doing. Should have been given up that cosmic taco 😂😂😂. But... Frfr... It's definitely a great failure on both parts.
You guys are so wrong for your judgment of the mother taking in her ex's child. Why would she have a relationship or have formed a bond with a child who is not hers and lived with her abusive ex! It's nice that she did it but it would be totally understandable if she didn't. The AHs are all of that child's biological family. And her ex for treating her that way when he was alive.
Agreed!
I hate to break it to a lot of people but staying with someone just because of the kids is not good for the kids. That’s very toxic actually because they can see that resentment grow also because someone had a baby with two separate people doesn’t mean it’s good for the kids to get together and be close. Is it ideal yes Can it turn into my beautiful wonderful thing, but it can also turn into a very messy situation a very toxic and traumatizing situation for the children. Also kids to consent all of this so I agree with by keeping her from all the drama issues going on he was clearly a predator of some sort because she was 26 and he was 42. That’s just predatory to me. I, feel like we have to remember that age is a number and should be considerate consider it until you’re like in your 40s because you don’t have the capability to cognitively think like a full adult does when you’re in your early 20s it’s between 24 and 29 to 30 that we develop Cognitive skills or frontal lobe so our consequences where we learn consequences and things like that so your brain isn’t fully developed longer so that being said some predatory situation going on if you ask me my opinion, but I am not a professional so let’s keep that in mind alsoI think he was probably gonna do something to her with the way that he reacted when he couldn’t find her and all this other stuff so yeah I don’t think she should meet with the kids right off the bat. I think she needs to really sit back and assess and get to know the wife maybe her just meet the wife but do not bring your kids into the situation until you know it is 100% safe.
I HATE when men know they don't want any more kids or kids period, but don't get a vasectomy. Soooooo selfish
44:18 😮 OMFG WTF IS WRONG WITH PARENTS????
Right????😢💔
The caller story is so crazy…… 😮
39:36 that’s hella mean. I get he shouldn’t have cornered them but if he’s a junkie, he’ll do anything for his next fix. I get it’s easy for us to judge, but withdrawal symptoms are terrible.
24:01 I'm going to have to disagree with both of you. Full heartedly takes custody of a child to a point that you had no legal chance of getting the child and it's been several months maybe even a few years of you not having that child why would you fight for that child again when you have less contact with that child in the first place. Not to mention biologically it's not her kid so she has no legal or biological moral value to even fight for the kids. Yes it does suck but it's not her problem no matter who says it should be. Even if they take in the child He would be the only one taking care of them, and you can't get mad at her for not wanting to if she doesn't want to and he can't complain about it either as it was his choice to take him in and not hers. Kind of like when one partner gets a pet and expect the other partner to also take care of the pet when they didn't want the pet in the first place. And then everyone call the other partner and asshole because they don't want to help take care of a pet that they didn't want. People need to stop thinking morally responsibilities is someone else's just because as an excuse
I'm sorry but for a 26-year-old OP should've known better; it's not like she's 18. Ladies (and some gentlemen), if you find out your boyfriend is married and gives you every excuse as to why him and his wife are in this arrangement, you need to leave. You are playing with fire and it's a dangerous game. I felt like OP believed she had a one-up on the wife and hoped her ex would leave his wife for her and raise their kid. And it didn't end up that way; hence why she's in her current situation and still covering for him by not telling his wife the full truth because it would make her look bad. She's very lucky he did end her permanently that night when he contacted her.
Yes, it may sound stupid, but it's a divorce when they actually get a divorce. No "we're just together for the kids", no "I'm just waiting for (insert anything)". He/she is divorced when they present you the divorce decree.
I agree I wouldn’t do that at 26. I’m 27 as of march but hey something ppl still do dumb stuff after the brain develops lol. At least she learned and more importantly realized where she went wrong tol
She literally says she never expected him to leave his wife for her. Stop blaming the young woman who got manipulated by a crappy creep. Staying married while being separated is extremely normal if your kids aren’t adults yet. She was naive yes but had no reason to not believe him.
@@emilyjohn2034 Still she should have left if they were separated. Divorce means when a two people's marriage completely ends, not when they're "in the process". I am not defending this man at all, but given her age she should have known better that these situations happen when (1) having unprotected relations can result in an unwanted pregnancy (2) getting into a relationship with a still married man. How many stories have you listened to where the man has ended the woman because he didn't want the pregnancy? Before he tried convincing her to get rid of her pregnancy, she was still hoping for a future with this man.
@@rangecat except separated but not fully divorced is actually a legal thing. Separation DOES mean you can be with other people especially since many places require up to multiple years of separation before divorce can be finalized.
Correction on first story- if you arent on birth control, expect a birth. Nothing less. You cant say you Didn’t plan a baby when you let him literally make a baby on you with no protection 😂 give me a breeaaaakkk.
Well, she did admit she was careless and foolish and not thinking things through. It’s accurate to say she wasn’t expecting a baby. She was just very stupid.
I'm ready for a live today
Me too😊
The comprehension skills were horrible here, we need Sophia to help you guys out especially with stories from a woman’s point of view 🤦🏻♀️
For the first story it's her a fair partners ex-wife because they're now divorced
Y'all need yo check out "God's loophole" by Garfunkel and Oats
Please bring yur mutual friend for a episode!!!!!!!!! Lol
Is Sam high?
OP should meet her at worst the ex wife wants info at best her toddler gets to know it’s siblings
When was this filmed? I feel like i missed a live
Bro you guys screw up stories constantly lol. I get it’s 2:00 am but damn it’s frustrating listening to you botch every detail lol. The child in foster care was NOT the child of OP’s wife. The ex who died was the child’s father. She has no responsibility to take that child if she doesn’t want to.
5:39 the kids are more important so let the kids meet
I think op is the ahole for knowingly staying involved with a married man but it does seem like she realizes she was in the wrong. The husband definitely the number one ahold though for cheating in the first place.
How did you get Ryley?
I feel sorry for pregnant affair women ,which i shouldn't she was equally to blame for the affair, but can you imagine someone saying get ride of it I want nothing to do with it . What a piece of meat she must of felt like.
She was not all equally to blame the guy LIED to her and said that it was the arrangement he had with his wife that they were separated and only married for the kids. Was she maybe blissfully ignorant? Sure but she was also young and naive and taken advantage of. She don’t cheat because she believed it was all above board
Sam! Never do that voice again!
19:01
Maybe not film these videos at 1 am. You guys were all over the place and could barely follow the stories. Do better next time.
pretty sure this was near the end of a 7 hour stream and they were super punchy
Yeah haha their take on the wife needing to “redeem” herself and that she “abandoned the kid” or would be if she didn’t take him in… like it’s not her kid lol. There was nothing to redeem? She’s a total saint for taking him in ESPECIALLY given she still suffers from ptsd from her ex.
story 1: the wife could just hurt op and could try to take op's baby away from her if they have money and power.
Bunny boiler. Why on Earth would someone keep that baby!? Obsessive.
I would jump at the first chance to pull my mother‘s plug for what she did to me