A friend and I both got new bikes in July of last year. Me an MT-09, he a Duke 790. In the just over a year since then I've been to the shop 0 times for warranty related service. He's been back twice, with a third looming as his 790 started misfiring a few days ago. The Duke is cool af, but I think I'll stick with the Yam on the reliability front alone.
That's the only thing that has stopped me getting a 7/890... I have a 990 in my garage with 32k on the clock and it has been nothing but reliable, never once broken down...
Everything come down to how you ride them , my friend& i owns duke 390 and had his engine rebuild within 10000kms where mine duke 390 is over 25k kms and still runs like brand new never had issue , it could be that some may get little bit of defects from factory but its just i guess bad luck , ktm does tune their bike so aggressive like we are in motogp i think ktm have to tune duke a little less aggressive so the reliability gets better ,
@@zippy441 might be i have bs4(eu4) variety where he ows previous gen duke which is actually a pocket rocket and does smoke my duke hands down no doubt but reliability is like meh !!! The way he rides His bike stays at idle rpm or full throttle 🤣 this it where is fails he should have gone for sub 600cc bike where he cannot max it out on street and always have some engine Overhead 🤣.
Have a duke 790 for a year now, and I must say it does give you an unique riding experience. It is so composed on the road it feels almost unnatural. And I do agree with what was said, you find your own limits when pushing felling it is just at mid range of where it could go. Just amazing. No issues so far, knock on wood😄
One thing I noticed sitting on both of the bikes: The Yamaha was more comfortable if you just sit in one spot while you’re riding. If you move around a lot when cornering, this is much easier to do on the KTM- Your knees have more freedom, and the flat seat allows you to throw your body from left to right very easily. You feel perfectly positioned to lean. I wanted the comfort and reliability of the Yamaha but the sharpness of the KTM won me over.
I agree moving around on my MT09SP is a little awkward. I’m hoping that two mods fix it. I’m going to get some woodcraft clip ons and a new seat. We’ll see. Other than this, I LOVE the bike. Even while stock, the engine sound is incredible (for you). And then with an exhaust, the sound is incredible (for everyone else too).
KTM = Ready To Race and just as Ready To Repair. I own an MT09SP 2021 after having a 790duke, I did ride the 890R and loved it but you can’t beat Yamaha for reliability and is so easy to live with. The two recent KTM bikes I’ve have owned suffered from oil and coolant leak’s within weeks of coming out the showroom, that and electrical issues have made me not want to own one again.
I couldn't agree more on your KTM comments. I've been on KTM for 20+ years and finally had enough. Just sold my last two and moved to Yamaha. I could list all the issues with the KTMs I and my friends I've had but some are so severe no one would believe me! So I'll leave it at that!
@@twowheelpilot i totally agree... Also having a black mt10 myself. I love everything except consumption. Tried tracer 900 to see how it rides and actually i liked it a lot. Not as flick able or powerful as mt10 but still not too far away from it as well. Tamed, protected and 2+ liters less consuming bike. I think I'll wait for new MT10 or tracer10 if they make one and see the consumption in comparison with ours.
I did all the homework in the world before buying a street naked, and found the MT-09 to be the best of all worlds. Finally bought one, rode it for a year, and found all my research was indeed spot on. With my evil black 2020 "Batcycle", I don't even look at other bikes. And the way this thing feels is both big lovable teddy bear/complete frickin' insanity - it is whatever you want it to be and everything in between other than dirt, with Yamaha's "never ever ever leave you stranded" dependability/durability. Right before I bought mine, I was at the dealership and a guy who traded his MT-09 in on a Harley only 3 months earlier was back in the store trading the new Harley back in on a new bike. A different bike you may wonder, especially since this was a prime chance for an upgrade and the guy could easily afford any bike on the floor? Nope - he went right back to another brand new MT-09. I've never seen that before, and it confirmed all of my homework. Between the '09 and the Duke, we're splitting hairs in most cases, but I found the '09 to be far more versatile to fit different riding moods and modes with that amazing engine and electronics package. On top of that, I've got too much experience with hard lessons - I'll cross barren deserts on anything from Yamaha, but not on anything else, especially from Europe. Other than maybe Honda, Yamaha's the only brand I'd ever trust my life to as far as any mandatory zero-breakdown requirement. Reliability overwhelmingly trumps any minor performance differences, hands down.
@@Filthy_Goblin_44 i see your trolling history, even under this video. I might not have the coolest bike in the world, but at least I don't need therapy.
It came down to these two bikes for me. I chose the MT-09 for two reasons. First, the ergonomics of the MT-09 work better for my body. Second, the closest KTM dealer, which is an hour away, could not figure out how to enable a test ride for this bike. They said they had to do some electronic unlock for the test ride. After 45 minutes of waiting for them to figure this out, I gave up and left. I was concerned that if the dealer could not figure this out, they will have difficulty if any other electronic issue arises. So the scale was tipped in the MT-09's favor because of reliability concerns.
Yeah. They have to unlock the ecu remotely in the ktm database to even be able to start it. Same with husqvarna. So easy fix for a dealer is to just have an unlocked demo bike. It is a theft deterrent. Thieves could steal, say, 15 bikes, but they would be useless since they are not unlocked electronically yet.
@@HeyAddieImTojo so they have bikes locked in case someone wants to steal them from the dealer but once you buy it and it's unlocked someone might steal it without any issues because it's already unlocked....kinda stupid
Great review! These two bikes really do represent some of the most fun that can be had on two wheels today, they epitomise that sweet spot in motorcycling where power meets light weight and agility. Both bikes will loft the front wheel in the first three gears but yet they remain civilised enough for a gentle trip to the shops or commute to work, a marvel of modern engineering.
I would take the MT09 all day every day I had an Aprilia tuono and it was fun but too many headaches, no body can touch Japan for reliable long lasting bikes.
I've ridden both and my money would go with the MT09-SP because of reliability and it has more tech features like 6 axis IMU and Cruise control etc. And I'm not nearly a good enough rider to push those bikes hard enough to ever appreciate the race type suspension on the Duke 890-R. I don't think I could push either bike to their limits but I damn sure would use a Cruise control and appreciate the saifty features like the 6 axis IMU on the MT-09. Then to top it off there is just a massive aftermarket that supports the MT09 because it's so popular. The Duke probably has a considerably smaller aftermarket Anderson not pretend like KTM is anywhere near as reliable as Yamaha. Almost anywhere you take a bike they will be familiar with Yamaha especially the MT09 so it's probably easier to tune if you upgrade air filter and exhaust.
Six axis IMU is a standart feature on 890 Duke R as well. Also it has Brembo brakes which MT 09 SP lacks and WP suspensions. Cruise Control is an optional but not so important for me, because these are naked bikes for fun riding and daily commuting! Not sports tourer. KTM is a more light, agile, and powerful. Reliabilty issue is a different aspect and you are right. All Japanese brands are more reliable than Europeans.
@@hexantra good luck getting a MT 09/SP cheaper than a duke......in the end spec for spec the duke will be cheaper......3k markup on yamaha if you can even find one.....just went thru this and duke was alot cheaper with all the packages than a yamaha.....paid 15k otd for duke in so cal with every option.....yamaha would have been 17k and change.....and there like 2 in 500 mile radius
I had MT09 2019 enjoyed it..now i’m rocking a Duke 890r much lighter,agile and a good canyon twistie machine..i would say it fits my likings..can’t go wrong with both of the bikes…Nice video..Thanks
Can`t really compare Duke 890R to an 2019 MT09, those had horrible suspension etc. This new MT09 SP and Duke 890R is neck in neck, the duke 890R may win by a very litte bit but all in all really good bikes both of them.
New here, and yes I see the video is 2 years old, but it's relevant in my case. I have owned a Duke 790 for a year and a half. It has been quite reliable, with the only issue being a leaking upper radiator hose. replaced the hose and it has been absolutely trouble free. Just yesterday, i started working a trade for a 2023 Duke 890R. The extra power, lighter weight, Brembo brakes, and WP adjustable suspension are why I chose to stay within the KTM family. Both these bikes are great, but to me the KTM just has that extra sharpness. Most of my riding is on twisty lake roads similar to what was in this video, and the KTM just fits me. Thank you for a great comparison.
Awesome review, my only slight criticism is I wish there was some third person perspectives of the drag racing, or a camera on one bike looking at the other bike to gauge a better perspective of how close they are.
They have plenty more talents than drag racing. However, I suspect with a good full exhaust, Sprint filter, and ECU flash pulling out the cork out of the typically heavily restricted Yamaha products, you'd see a monster midrange on the Yamaha.
Besides the skillful drone shots of the riders, and the heartbreakingly beautiful land you get to rip and race through (where are you riding??), I appreciated the riding skills - you guys ride hard, and on those beasts, anything less aggressive would have been so yawn worthy. Every review of KTM's powerful, agile, and utterly controllable, machines, just reinforces my obsession with my 2014 1190 Adventure. I'm never getting rid of that machine, but seeing that Yamaha, and the reviews you both gave it, gives me pause when I stubbornly announce that KTM bikes are all I'll need. If I were a rich man...!
Thanks for your kind feedback, really appreciate it! We are lucky to have Knox HQ located in the beautiful English Lake District, we have some fantastic roads and scenery. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Great video guys! Answered a very hard and often asked question. For me as an older rider, the MT probably is the smart move. I don't think I would be riding the Duke hard enough to get everything out of it.
i owned a duke 390 as my first bike and loved it. but as much as i loved it i chose the mt 09 as my second bike cause i like how it looks so much more. plus the inline 3 is amazing.
@@williamwills8560 i did test ride the 890. it feels very similar to the 390 and is just as smooth with just a bit more weight and a lot more power. however, i didnt get to take it out on the twisties where i imagine it would truly shine. one of the major differences i did notice between the two bikes is the mt09 engine sounds and feels like a beast eager to be unleashed and there is consistent power throughout the powerband
I have the 890R (2020), and it's the best bike I have ever owned or ridden for shorter trips. The power and weight is perfect for the road. And the breakes are sublime. And the forks and nimble chassie gives you extra confidence in thight corners. 10/10
Thank You! I've narrowed my next bike to one of these two with an open mind to the Street Triple RS as well. But these 2 have a lead of the Street Triple. I ride around town including to work. I want to do some track days. And some daily and weekend overnight rides. Luckily I'm medium sized and athletic. (5' 10" 170 lbs.) so weird to say; I seem to adapt to different riding positions easily. An air hawk type cover for long ride days takes care of any seat comfort issues for me. As far as dealership support...I'm spoiled! I can literally walk to a Triumph dealership and at least 3 each of KTM and Yamaha within 25 miles! (Ft. Worth, Texas) And to add to it: I do my own maintenance and custom work. But having said that....all three bikes are lacking in maintenance videos here on RUclips. One big goal I want to fulfill is just improving my riding skills. My cornering, wheelies, and learn to do stopees. I can do all three, but am lacking in confidence. Never owned a sport or naked bike. Just Cruisers and ADV bikes. Currently own Yamaha Super Tenere, KTM 1190 Adventure R, Triumph Speedmaster and KLR 650. The big takeaway for me on this video was the difference in turning radius! That said a lot to me. I've been watching soooo many comparison videos here and this was the first to show a turning radius comparison. But all-in-all another issue is stock....dealerships are having a heck of a time getting either bike in stock and here we are well past any Covid issues yet business and industry is still complaining about supply....I'm leaning heavily towards the 890 Duke R....but it might just boil down to which bike I can find available!!!
This seems to me like a short bike movie than a review, what a PRESENTATION! . as a true motor enthusiast, not ranking them by 1 and 2 makes you guys even more special in my books . Love from India, cheers 🤞
What a great video and comparison! I think the content, amazing views, editing, music and the way you present it makes this channel the best channel to watch. Absolutely stunning! Keep up the good work guys!
Yamaha is ajust unbeatable...I sold mine mt07 with 89k km to my friend .. zero issue just regular service..and my friend still have it with 95k km..running clean...
If you could only have one, it'd have to be the MT 09. On real roads, both really do the job, but easier to spend more time on and with...easily more reliable. And it sounds great! Those are the things that ultimately matter if you put hours on your bike. But, yeah. Both are incredible. Golden age.
Really enjoyed this video. Demon riding, great production, wise & balanced commentary on both bikes. Your insightful analysis has confirmed my interest in one of these two bikes, almost as useful as a road test itself!
Fantastic review. Loved the way you guys highlighted the positives in each bike without being excessively critical of either one of them. I currently ride a Harley and I'm due for an upgrade and test rode an in-line 4 but something doesn't click. It's just too smooth and dare I say "boring". Need something a bit more engaging and interesting - I guess my heart is set on the MT09!
My first and only KTM was a 790 duke. 3 sepperate oil leeks, Warped front brakec disc, failed rear master cylinder, Water leak from radiator and peeling graphics all under 700 miles from new 😔 Hence the "new 890"
@@ducatifila Father in law had one new pretty much same experience poorly built fault riddled dog gave up in the end and traded it in taking a massive hit in depreciation, Never experienced anything like it with a Japanese machine.
@@VFactory-vl5fiquestion marks over bike reliability still follow them the same way Rover cars were known to rust and Alfa's break down due to electrical issues. I hope they've got their act together with the current line up.
Traded my Street Triple after taking both bikes for a test ride. I don’t think I could’ve made a mistake picking either, but I couldn’t stop smiling after riding the KTM. I’m not brand biased, but I was more impressed with the 890R. Seems most reviewers felt the same, glad to see those Yamaha fans found a review that went their way.
@@thejudge3040 It was the low end torque that made me realize the KTM was different, then I leaned it over. I like a triple engine over twins or 4’s, until this one. KTM nailed it with this parallel twin. The torque is delivered so soon, producing more at 4k than the Triumph at any range.
@@freebehindbars8654 same the triple sound is epic and beats the twin, apart from the pop on gear change that's epic. Your right KTM have nailed it with this bike. Enjoy it and stay safe 👍
Agree, very top notch review from video to the explanations. I hope to find one for the Super Duke. I have Fz09 now and have interest in the KTM Brothers. WP suspension is awesome, especially on the c dirtbike side of things.
Ive only ridden the mt09 ,have never seen ktm 890 in my home town... so i cant compare them but the mt is so fun to ride , loads of power to play with great ergonomics and the engine wow What an engine , especially the sound from the cp3 with a leo vince corsa man theres no other sound like it... the sc1 isnt bad too... the akra sounds too bland for my taste... great content 👌
This is great! 🔥 I've been torn between the two bikes, you've just made it more difficult to decide lol. Both are beasts I suppose it just boils down to preference now
Im 20years old and i own the new yamaha mt09 from experience such a fun wheelie machine its good all out ive tried some long distance travel with it as well and i have no complain
I prefer the looks of the mt-09 over the Duke... C'mon... That thing literally looks like a beast.. The Duke does loom like it would go fast... But the mt-09 looks like a bodybuilder ready to sprint
How did you find the dash on the Yam. Quite a few people who have tested it said it is too small at 3.5 inches. I think that is the smallest on the market.
We think its great! Personal point of view is that a lot of people make a big deal about tft dash etc, whereas I dont really care, I'd prefer a better bike that goes well, handles and stops well. Think I get more enjoyment from riding than looking at a dashboard. The Yamaha dash is fine imo! Thanks, Aaron KNOX
I dont know about what they changed with the mt09 in 2021 but I have never heard anyone say they inspire confidence. I own one and it takes skill to ride. I have owned 636s and that bike was a cake walk compared to the mt09.
I think there is quite a lot of difference in handling between the old one and new in terms of handling. Big geometry changes, frame and suspension. The result is confidence inspiring and just very easy to ride. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
KTM brings to bikes what all youths worldwide wanted. Other bikez have a real challenge to beat the craze for KTMs. Even their adventure bikes are great.
Duke all night and day, the 790 was incredible and the 890R is insane. I see everyone calling MT09 for being more reliable, why do you think that ? I assume the Yamaha is reliable but isn't any bike these days ? We race ktm's in motocross and for years there's hardly any engine failures anymore, in general, all brands use modern tech in producing and the result is incredible reliability, even in race scenario's. Have never ridden an MT09... But I did ride some cp2 based bikes, I personally dont like that engine. Gearshifting isn't smooth, clutch isn't smooth, a lot of engine braking, it is quite smooth in low rpm but it vibrates as hell with more rpm's. Lacks a bit in power. Have been riding a Tracer 9, should be the same engine as a MT09, like that engine better than the mt07/tracer 7 engine. I owned both a 790 duke and a 890R, both with the full akrapovic without cat and a decent map. Both are very smooth, strong engines, electronics are super smooth. I really like the riding position, it's a ride with two fingers bike, can ride on it for hours. The 890R is stellar with it's superb suspension and brakes. And it's light... Looks, the Yamaha is a bit japanese, aka boring. If there had not been an 890 I'd still not buy an MT09, better go for a Triumph then...
I have to agree in terms of sharpness and flexibility is each bikes on its own uniqueness. It all just comes down to reliability issue of the agent's responsiveness to tend to your bike.
Yes, me too...did you pull the ABS fuse? If so, doesn't that take out other electronics? More info please? It's another sign of the times that the CHOICE to be able to enable/disable ABS on bikes has been taken away....even worse for bikes that are built for the track like R1s, Blades etc....freedom is disappearing fast...
Spend the extra and get the sp if you ride tight twisty roads a lot. I've got the standard and am swapping out the forks and back shock already. I'm swapping out gsxr dlc forks and zx6r rear shock. I've got another bike I built with the same set up, and it will far out handle my 9. The SP has a similar set up right off the floor. Figure braided lines and Vesrah pads for either of them though. Brakes are very wooden feeling.
I was roll racing my buddy on a zx14 vs my mt09 and in a 3rd gear roll race my Mt was leaping ahead until we hit 104 mph everytime, then he would walk away, my buddy was seriously impressed with the mt09
Well, I suppose you need to consider that if you get the KTM in the UK you will need to have some kind of contact with the dealer network which in my experience are rude and unhelpful and thin on the ground, you will wait forever for warranty work and servicing, on the other hand my local Yamaha dealer couldn't be more helpful, it is a deal breaker for me
Every part of me wants the 890, but the reliability issues I've heard are pushing me to mt09 even though it's not quite the one I want. Such a difficult decision
KTMs are amazing to ride, but after owning the 790 I'd never own one again. I spent more time worrying over what would break next than enjoying the bike. Very sad because they really do perform like nothing else. Give me reliability any day though!
The problem with KTM from the get go is dealer network, I can go 3 miles and I am at the Yamaha dealer, another few miles and again a Yamaha dealer. The only KTM dealer is 40 miles away, that's it. Great bike though.
Great review. Very well produced! Loved the quality of videography, sound and editing. Thank you.
Many thanks Dave, really appreciate the support! Aaron KNOX
A friend and I both got new bikes in July of last year. Me an MT-09, he a Duke 790. In the just over a year since then I've been to the shop 0 times for warranty related service. He's been back twice, with a third looming as his 790 started misfiring a few days ago.
The Duke is cool af, but I think I'll stick with the Yam on the reliability front alone.
That's the only thing that has stopped me getting a 7/890... I have a 990 in my garage with 32k on the clock and it has been nothing but reliable, never once broken down...
Everything come down to how you ride them , my friend& i owns duke 390 and had his engine rebuild within 10000kms where mine duke 390 is over 25k kms and still runs like brand new never had issue , it could be that some may get little bit of defects from factory but its just i guess bad luck , ktm does tune their bike so aggressive like we are in motogp i think ktm have to tune duke a little less aggressive so the reliability gets better ,
@@mafiaboy4925 really??... I wonder if you got the good one and your mate got the Friday night bike? 🤣
@@zippy441 might be i have bs4(eu4) variety where he ows previous gen duke which is actually a pocket rocket and does smoke my duke hands down no doubt but reliability is like meh !!! The way he rides His bike stays at idle rpm or full throttle 🤣 this it where is fails he should have gone for sub 600cc bike where he cannot max it out on street and always have some engine Overhead 🤣.
Absolutely, my KTM has had two oil leaks and a coolant leak in a year of ownership haha. Love the bike to death but can't say it's not without fault
Have a duke 790 for a year now, and I must say it does give you an unique riding experience. It is so composed on the road it feels almost unnatural. And I do agree with what was said, you find your own limits when pushing felling it is just at mid range of where it could go. Just amazing. No issues so far, knock on wood😄
I'm just going to reiterate that the quality of your productions is amazing! If you're doing this in-house, don't fire the people who do it :)
Many thanks Paulo! Yes all in house and we're proud of the content we're producing, but always looking for new ways to lift the bar!! Aaron KNOX
One thing I noticed sitting on both of the bikes: The Yamaha was more comfortable if you just sit in one spot while you’re riding. If you move around a lot when cornering, this is much easier to do on the KTM- Your knees have more freedom, and the flat seat allows you to throw your body from left to right very easily. You feel perfectly positioned to lean. I wanted the comfort and reliability of the Yamaha but the sharpness of the KTM won me over.
Suspicious!
Are you still enjoying the KTM Nate?
I agree moving around on my MT09SP is a little awkward.
I’m hoping that two mods fix it. I’m going to get some woodcraft clip ons and a new seat. We’ll see.
Other than this, I LOVE the bike. Even while stock, the engine sound is incredible (for you). And then with an exhaust, the sound is incredible (for everyone else too).
KTM = Ready To Race and just as Ready To Repair.
I own an MT09SP 2021 after having a 790duke, I did ride the 890R and loved it but you can’t beat Yamaha for reliability and is so easy to live with. The two recent KTM bikes I’ve have owned suffered from oil and coolant leak’s within weeks of coming out the showroom, that and electrical issues have made me not want to own one again.
Watch for you neutral sensor not to plug out i have a 2021 mt09 sp and its a common problems got it
Did you ride mt10, as well?
I couldn't agree more on your KTM comments. I've been on KTM for 20+ years and finally had enough. Just sold my last two and moved to Yamaha. I could list all the issues with the KTMs I and my friends I've had but some are so severe no one would believe me! So I'll leave it at that!
@@veljkovic92 I have one. MT10SP. Epic bike. Nuts, but turns so well and crazy stable. How can a bike be this short and stable. Yamaha nailed it. 👍👍✊
@@twowheelpilot i totally agree... Also having a black mt10 myself. I love everything except consumption. Tried tracer 900 to see how it rides and actually i liked it a lot. Not as flick able or powerful as mt10 but still not too far away from it as well. Tamed, protected and 2+ liters less consuming bike. I think I'll wait for new MT10 or tracer10 if they make one and see the consumption in comparison with ours.
I did all the homework in the world before buying a street naked, and found the MT-09 to be the best of all worlds. Finally bought one, rode it for a year, and found all my research was indeed spot on. With my evil black 2020 "Batcycle", I don't even look at other bikes. And the way this thing feels is both big lovable teddy bear/complete frickin' insanity - it is whatever you want it to be and everything in between other than dirt, with Yamaha's "never ever ever leave you stranded" dependability/durability. Right before I bought mine, I was at the dealership and a guy who traded his MT-09 in on a Harley only 3 months earlier was back in the store trading the new Harley back in on a new bike. A different bike you may wonder, especially since this was a prime chance for an upgrade and the guy could easily afford any bike on the floor? Nope - he went right back to another brand new MT-09. I've never seen that before, and it confirmed all of my homework. Between the '09 and the Duke, we're splitting hairs in most cases, but I found the '09 to be far more versatile to fit different riding moods and modes with that amazing engine and electronics package. On top of that, I've got too much experience with hard lessons - I'll cross barren deserts on anything from Yamaha, but not on anything else, especially from Europe. Other than maybe Honda, Yamaha's the only brand I'd ever trust my life to as far as any mandatory zero-breakdown requirement. Reliability overwhelmingly trumps any minor performance differences, hands down.
Thoughts on Yamaha z900?
Kawasaki * lol
Lol you bought the most boring bike you could have. The mt line up is trash. Yamaha loves you tho
@@Filthy_Goblin_44 i see your trolling history, even under this video. I might not have the coolest bike in the world, but at least I don't need therapy.
Agree 100% i have a 2014 09 and a 08 wr450, they both have been uber reliable .
It came down to these two bikes for me. I chose the MT-09 for two reasons. First, the ergonomics of the MT-09 work better for my body. Second, the closest KTM dealer, which is an hour away, could not figure out how to enable a test ride for this bike. They said they had to do some electronic unlock for the test ride. After 45 minutes of waiting for them to figure this out, I gave up and left. I was concerned that if the dealer could not figure this out, they will have difficulty if any other electronic issue arises. So the scale was tipped in the MT-09's favor because of reliability concerns.
Yeah. They have to unlock the ecu remotely in the ktm database to even be able to start it. Same with husqvarna. So easy fix for a dealer is to just have an unlocked demo bike. It is a theft deterrent. Thieves could steal, say, 15 bikes, but they would be useless since they are not unlocked electronically yet.
But i understand you completely. Luckily i have a ktm dealer literally 10 min away that knows their stuff😄
@@HeyAddieImTojo so they have bikes locked in case someone wants to steal them from the dealer but once you buy it and it's unlocked someone might steal it without any issues because it's already unlocked....kinda stupid
Great review! These two bikes really do represent some of the most fun that can be had on two wheels today, they epitomise that sweet spot in motorcycling where power meets light weight and agility. Both bikes will loft the front wheel in the first three gears but yet they remain civilised enough for a gentle trip to the shops or commute to work, a marvel of modern engineering.
Many thanks, yes totally agree! Aaron KNOX
You guys are really making strides, easily on F9 and Revzilla levels now
Many thanks Leopold! Trying our best! Aaron KNOX
now add here yamaha's reliability
Yeahh haha I've had two oil leaks and a coolant leak on my KTM so far. Nothing mechanical yet though 🤞
@Kyriakos Galanos I've heard of some horror stories at the track 😄 these were pretty small leaks (except for the coolant)
Ktm’s are proven as well. Maybe even better than Yamahas
I have a Yamaha don’t be foolish to think that it does not have leaks. I have Dukes and never had problems and I use and abuse them.
Heheee....yamahaaa...heheee
I would take the MT09 all day every day I had an Aprilia tuono and it was fun but too many headaches, no body can touch Japan for reliable long lasting bikes.
Connection in between Aprilia Tuono and KTM Duke 890r?
@@sebastianosommariva9889 european bikes
I've ridden both and my money would go with the MT09-SP because of reliability and it has more tech features like 6 axis IMU and Cruise control etc. And I'm not nearly a good enough rider to push those bikes hard enough to ever appreciate the race type suspension on the Duke 890-R. I don't think I could push either bike to their limits but I damn sure would use a Cruise control and appreciate the saifty features like the 6 axis IMU on the MT-09. Then to top it off there is just a massive aftermarket that supports the MT09 because it's so popular. The Duke probably has a considerably smaller aftermarket Anderson not pretend like KTM is anywhere near as reliable as Yamaha. Almost anywhere you take a bike they will be familiar with Yamaha especially the MT09 so it's probably easier to tune if you upgrade air filter and exhaust.
Six axis IMU is a standart feature on 890 Duke R as well. Also it has Brembo brakes which MT 09 SP lacks and WP suspensions. Cruise Control is an optional but not so important for me, because these are naked bikes for fun riding and daily commuting! Not sports tourer. KTM is a more light, agile, and powerful. Reliabilty issue is a different aspect and you are right. All Japanese brands are more reliable than Europeans.
@@ulaskvlcm the MT-09’s gem of an engine is enough on its own
@@ulaskvlcm you have to pay for the higher end tech package on the 890 sadly
@@gavin3810 yep, and that's the sad part
@@hexantra good luck getting a MT 09/SP cheaper than a duke......in the end spec for spec the duke will be cheaper......3k markup on yamaha if you can even find one.....just went thru this and duke was alot cheaper with all the packages than a yamaha.....paid 15k otd for duke in so cal with every option.....yamaha would have been 17k and change.....and there like 2 in 500 mile radius
I had MT09 2019 enjoyed it..now i’m rocking a Duke 890r much lighter,agile and a good canyon twistie machine..i would say it fits my likings..can’t go wrong with both of the bikes…Nice video..Thanks
Yamahas are reliable machines and KTMs are Fast, Quick and much easier to maneuver. I personally respect Yamaha and love KTM.
@@BadassBobY …make up your mind bro…me too same page..Cheers
Can`t really compare Duke 890R to an 2019 MT09, those had horrible suspension etc. This new MT09 SP and Duke 890R is neck in neck, the duke 890R may win by a very litte bit but all in all really good bikes both of them.
I sat on a new 890 R recently and just loved the comfort. Hopefully the new ones are more reliable than years past.
@@michaeljohnson2922 ktm and comfort? 😂😂😂 this bikes definitely are not .
Meant for sitting your ass down on it
New here, and yes I see the video is 2 years old, but it's relevant in my case. I have owned a Duke 790 for a year and a half. It has been quite reliable, with the only issue being a leaking upper radiator hose. replaced the hose and it has been absolutely trouble free. Just yesterday, i started working a trade for a 2023 Duke 890R. The extra power, lighter weight, Brembo brakes, and WP adjustable suspension are why I chose to stay within the KTM family. Both these bikes are great, but to me the KTM just has that extra sharpness. Most of my riding is on twisty lake roads similar to what was in this video, and the KTM just fits me. Thank you for a great comparison.
11:04 that looks scary !
Haha, looks worse on camera for some reason, but its part and parcel of riding on the mountain passes! Aaron KNOX
I almost shed a tear from the cinematic section with commentary. It was like poetry 😢so beautiful. I want MT-09 more than anything in the world
Thanks Ari! Aaron KNOX
Awesome review, my only slight criticism is I wish there was some third person perspectives of the drag racing, or a camera on one bike looking at the other bike to gauge a better perspective of how close they are.
Yeah, a screaming Z900 keeping pace with them :P as a camera bike :))........
Thanks Gary, sure we can always improve. Thanks!
Stop nit picking bro great review
I agree. The split screen does nothing to show which bike is winning.
They have plenty more talents than drag racing. However, I suspect with a good full exhaust, Sprint filter, and ECU flash pulling out the cork out of the typically heavily restricted Yamaha products, you'd see a monster midrange on the Yamaha.
Besides the skillful drone shots of the riders, and the heartbreakingly beautiful land you get to rip and race through (where are you riding??), I appreciated the riding skills - you guys ride hard, and on those beasts, anything less aggressive would have been so yawn worthy.
Every review of KTM's powerful, agile, and utterly controllable, machines, just reinforces my obsession with my 2014 1190 Adventure. I'm never getting rid of that machine, but seeing that Yamaha, and the reviews you both gave it, gives me pause when I stubbornly announce that KTM bikes are all I'll need.
If I were a rich man...!
Thanks for your kind feedback, really appreciate it! We are lucky to have Knox HQ located in the beautiful English Lake District, we have some fantastic roads and scenery. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Great video guys! Answered a very hard and often asked question. For me as an older rider, the MT probably is the smart move. I don't think I would be riding the Duke hard enough to get everything out of it.
i owned a duke 390 as my first bike and loved it. but as much as i loved it i chose the mt 09 as my second bike cause i like how it looks so much more. plus the inline 3 is amazing.
I've got a 390 duke now as my first bike, had it 10 months and feel like I'm ready to step up now. I'm concidering both, did you test ride the 890?
@@williamwills8560 i did test ride the 890. it feels very similar to the 390 and is just as smooth with just a bit more weight and a lot more power. however, i didnt get to take it out on the twisties where i imagine it would truly shine.
one of the major differences i did notice between the two bikes is the mt09 engine sounds and feels like a beast eager to be unleashed and there is consistent power throughout the powerband
I have the KTM Duke 890R and love it I'm team orange all the way. Great review 👍🏻
Awesome, would love to own an 890R! Aaron KNOX
I have the 890R (2020), and it's the best bike I have ever owned or ridden for shorter trips. The power and weight is perfect for the road. And the breakes are sublime. And the forks and nimble chassie gives you extra confidence in thight corners.
10/10
did you ride 790r before
Nope, the bike before that was a Ducati Monster 821.
Never tryed the 790
It’s ugly though
@@davidmiller9852 you can change the bike a bit. I have with mine. I don't find it ugly.
Thank You! I've narrowed my next bike to one of these two with an open mind to the Street Triple RS as well. But these 2 have a lead of the Street Triple. I ride around town including to work. I want to do some track days. And some daily and weekend overnight rides. Luckily I'm medium sized and athletic. (5' 10" 170 lbs.) so weird to say; I seem to adapt to different riding positions easily. An air hawk type cover for long ride days takes care of any seat comfort issues for me. As far as dealership support...I'm spoiled! I can literally walk to a Triumph dealership and at least 3 each of KTM and Yamaha within 25 miles! (Ft. Worth, Texas) And to add to it: I do my own maintenance and custom work. But having said that....all three bikes are lacking in maintenance videos here on RUclips. One big goal I want to fulfill is just improving my riding skills. My cornering, wheelies, and learn to do stopees. I can do all three, but am lacking in confidence. Never owned a sport or naked bike. Just Cruisers and ADV bikes. Currently own Yamaha Super Tenere, KTM 1190 Adventure R, Triumph Speedmaster and KLR 650. The big takeaway for me on this video was the difference in turning radius! That said a lot to me. I've been watching soooo many comparison videos here and this was the first to show a turning radius comparison. But all-in-all another issue is stock....dealerships are having a heck of a time getting either bike in stock and here we are well past any Covid issues yet business and industry is still complaining about supply....I'm leaning heavily towards the 890 Duke R....but it might just boil down to which bike I can find available!!!
This seems to me like a short bike movie than a review, what a PRESENTATION! . as a true motor enthusiast, not ranking them by 1 and 2 makes you guys even more special in my books .
Love from India, cheers 🤞
Many thanks for your kind words! Aaron KNOX
That wheel to wheel burnout was sick! 10/10
What a great video and comparison! I think the content, amazing views, editing, music and the way you present it makes this channel the best channel to watch. Absolutely stunning! Keep up the good work guys!
Many thanks Jesper, so appreciate your kind feedback, we are trying our best to make the best content and the best products! All the best, Aaron KNOX
Great review👍🏽 Couldn’t decide.. so I bought both😏 my wife is pissed!
😂 so which do you now prefer?? Haha
Haha, lucky man!! Aaron KNOX
Divorce
Yamaha is ajust unbeatable...I sold mine mt07 with 89k km to my friend .. zero issue just regular service..and my friend still have it with 95k km..running clean...
Japanese motorbike manufacturers always design durable, suitable for many environmental conditions, so they are trusted by countries in Asia ❤
The scenic shots taken while the bikes are being ridden are just amazing. 💯
If you could only have one, it'd have to be the MT 09. On real roads, both really do the job, but easier to spend more time on and with...easily more reliable. And it sounds great! Those are the things that ultimately matter if you put hours on your bike. But, yeah. Both are incredible. Golden age.
Really enjoyed this video. Demon riding, great production, wise & balanced commentary on both bikes. Your insightful analysis has confirmed my interest in one of these two bikes, almost as useful as a road test itself!
Many thanks and so glad you enjoyed it! All the best, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour do you only sell your excellent riding gear direct, or do you use a distribution model?
That was one hell of a comparison. Nicely reviewed.
Many thanks, we really enjoyed making this one! Aaron KNOX
Fantastic review. Loved the way you guys highlighted the positives in each bike without being excessively critical of either one of them. I currently ride a Harley and I'm due for an upgrade and test rode an in-line 4 but something doesn't click. It's just too smooth and dare I say "boring". Need something a bit more engaging and interesting - I guess my heart is set on the MT09!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Sure you'll love the MT09. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour You're welcome. Yes I'm sure it's a great bike.
not sure why the video title and description doesn't have the SP behind MT 09, it's like not putting the R behind the Duke
Thanks for the great review, I bought the 890 Duke R
Great choice, enjoy it! Aaron KNOX
One of the best reviews i ve ever seen! What a quality video omg! Keep doing so good
Many thanks Alvaro! We try our best and will keep doing so! Aaron KNOX
Easy the best comparison review Ive ever seen. Hats off to you guys. Extremely underrated channel.
Many thanks Taylor, appreciate it! Aaron KNOX
I own the MT09 2021 its an amazing machine. 🔥🔥
Hey, do you do two up rides?
@@veljkovic92 No never my friend
Yeah I’m gonna have to take the Yamaha.
Reliability. Aggressive looks. Amazing performance.
Can’t say I’d ever own a KTM.
Excellent video production. This editing looks like a channel with professional production team and millions of subs.
Many thanks, so appreciate it! Aaron KNOX
I loved all the competitiveness before the drag, and after, the spud showed both those bikes are fast
I've tried to overlook the KTM styling and past reliability issues but I can't forgive the build quality. Yamaha all day long out of these two.
There’s nothing wrong with KTM’s mate.
My first and only KTM was a 790 duke.
3 sepperate oil leeks, Warped front brakec disc, failed rear master cylinder, Water leak from radiator and peeling graphics all under 700 miles from new 😔
Hence the "new 890"
@@ducatifila that’s a nightmare mate. I’m sorry to hear that.
@@ducatifila Father in law had one new pretty much same experience poorly built fault riddled dog gave up in the end and traded it in taking a massive hit in depreciation, Never experienced anything like it with a Japanese machine.
@@VFactory-vl5fiquestion marks over bike reliability still follow them the same way Rover cars were known to rust and Alfa's break down due to electrical issues. I hope they've got their act together with the current line up.
These are the 2 top contenders for my 2nd motorcycle. Thanks so much for the video :))
Hard choices ahead 😅
Traded my Street Triple after taking both bikes for a test ride. I don’t think I could’ve made a mistake picking either, but I couldn’t stop smiling after riding the KTM. I’m not brand biased, but I was more impressed with the 890R. Seems most reviewers felt the same, glad to see those Yamaha fans found a review that went their way.
I literally did the same thing had a 2017 street triple and test rode the ktm, the handling is sooooo good I had to have it. No regrets its epic
@@thejudge3040 It was the low end torque that made me realize the KTM was different, then I leaned it over. I like a triple engine over twins or 4’s, until this one. KTM nailed it with this parallel twin. The torque is delivered so soon, producing more at 4k than the Triumph at any range.
@@freebehindbars8654 same the triple sound is epic and beats the twin, apart from the pop on gear change that's epic.
Your right KTM have nailed it with this bike.
Enjoy it and stay safe 👍
Agree, very top notch review from video to the explanations. I hope to find one for the Super Duke. I have Fz09 now and have interest in the KTM Brothers. WP suspension is awesome, especially on the c dirtbike side of things.
Ive only ridden the mt09 ,have never seen ktm 890 in my home town... so i cant compare them but the mt is so fun to ride , loads of power to play with great ergonomics and the engine wow
What an engine , especially the sound from the cp3 with a leo vince corsa man theres no other sound like it... the sc1 isnt bad too... the akra sounds too bland for my taste... great content 👌
As a totally unbiased person who owns a 2020 mt09 and a 2022. I can tell you, the mt09 is better.
This is great! 🔥 I've been torn between the two bikes, you've just made it more difficult to decide lol. Both are beasts I suppose it just boils down to preference now
I was torn after trying both, until I tried a Triumph 765rs, then bought it 👌🏻
Go and test ride them
@@TheBoma1000 Definitley, I hopped on the MT09, just need to test the KTM now.
@@RevechoRides I love my 2018 mt09, bought it two months ago, has all the power I need and is comfortable to ride until 120miles in one sitting
@@TheBoma1000 I did, that’s why I chose the 765RS.
The sounds of mt09❤❤❤❤
Really should include dealer maintenance costs for the first 20,000 miles. And if available, customer reported breakdown stats.
890 R is king in this segment and the segment is a middle weight track focused bike
What it really comes down to is whether you want an unreliable orange bike or not.
Im 20years old and i own the new yamaha mt09 from experience such a fun wheelie machine its good all out ive tried some long distance travel with it as well and i have no complain
I know it's only from these two, but I ended up going with the z900. Being taller, it was more comfortable for me.
I prefer the looks of the mt-09 over the Duke...
C'mon... That thing literally looks like a beast..
The Duke does loom like it would go fast...
But the mt-09 looks like a bodybuilder ready to sprint
Agreed
10/10 production!
Many thanks!
Reliability, the Yamaha wins hands down. I've heard and seen issues with reliability with the 890 dude R. Excellent video!
MT09 for me! That look and that engine just makes me swoon!
@DM KnoxArmour ON TELEGRAM thanks to your review I got an MT09!
I wish suzuki and yamaha would colaborate to make a naked hyperbike. They would be unstoppable
Great review, loved it! Keep up the amazing work!
Thank you! Will do!
How did you find the dash on the Yam. Quite a few people who have tested it said it is too small at 3.5 inches. I think that is the smallest on the market.
We think its great! Personal point of view is that a lot of people make a big deal about tft dash etc, whereas I dont really care, I'd prefer a better bike that goes well, handles and stops well. Think I get more enjoyment from riding than looking at a dashboard. The Yamaha dash is fine imo! Thanks, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour yes, I think the point they were making was that some of the onfo was too small to read.
@@fyorbane no its fine for reading very easy to use. 😀
Yeah it’s ok if you have 20/20 vision, but really far too small to just glance at, in fact it’s dangerous
Now Yamaha need to put that engine in the adventure bike and make a T9
And an R9! :) Aaron KNOX
Can you edit the video to include how much each bike weighs?
I dont know about what they changed with the mt09 in 2021 but I have never heard anyone say they inspire confidence. I own one and it takes skill to ride. I have owned 636s and that bike was a cake walk compared to the mt09.
I think there is quite a lot of difference in handling between the old one and new in terms of handling. Big geometry changes, frame and suspension. The result is confidence inspiring and just very easy to ride. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
KTM brings to bikes what all youths worldwide wanted. Other bikez have a real challenge to beat the craze for KTMs. Even their adventure bikes are great.
Most underrated channel 💯
Out on the road and something happens to your bike,where would you find a KTM dealer vs. yamaha?
KTM makes more tire smoke. Definite plus.
Really enjoyed this video, been looking at the Yamaha mt09 so but oh my days that KTM looks and sounds mega also 🙆♂️
Duke all night and day, the 790 was incredible and the 890R is insane.
I see everyone calling MT09 for being more reliable, why do you think that ? I assume the Yamaha is reliable but isn't any bike these days ?
We race ktm's in motocross and for years there's hardly any engine failures anymore, in general, all brands use modern tech in producing and the result is incredible reliability, even in race scenario's.
Have never ridden an MT09... But I did ride some cp2 based bikes, I personally dont like that engine. Gearshifting isn't smooth, clutch isn't smooth, a lot of engine braking, it is quite smooth in low rpm but it vibrates as hell with more rpm's. Lacks a bit in power. Have been riding a Tracer 9, should be the same engine as a MT09, like that engine better than the mt07/tracer 7 engine.
I owned both a 790 duke and a 890R, both with the full akrapovic without cat and a decent map. Both are very smooth, strong engines, electronics are super smooth. I really like the riding position, it's a ride with two fingers bike, can ride on it for hours. The 890R is stellar with it's superb suspension and brakes. And it's light... Looks, the Yamaha is a bit japanese, aka boring.
If there had not been an 890 I'd still not buy an MT09, better go for a Triumph then...
I'm going to check out the 2022 ktm 890 duke r this Saturday coming up. I sat on the mt09 n didn't feel at home on it. I'm hoping I'll like this 890
Absolutely great video! 👌🏼 just the comparison I needed to see! 😁
Glad it was helpful!
I have to agree in terms of sharpness and flexibility is each bikes on its own uniqueness. It all just comes down to reliability issue of the agent's responsiveness to tend to your bike.
If only the looks matched the fun factor.
Nice video instant like and new follower keep up the good work
Thanks for the sub and kind comment. Aaron KNOX
Wow guys, you absolutely killed this video!🔥
Many thanks James!
Can you tell me more about braking hack for abs on MT-09 please? I own 21 and i would love to know more about it. Thank you
Yes, me too...did you pull the ABS fuse? If so, doesn't that take out other electronics? More info please? It's another sign of the times that the CHOICE to be able to enable/disable ABS on bikes has been taken away....even worse for bikes that are built for the track like R1s, Blades etc....freedom is disappearing fast...
Can't wait for the R9
Very good video. Keep up the good work.
Comparing Yamaha to KTM is an insult.
Amazing VS test guys… 🙌
Both bikes look like great fun, however the KTM takes the win for me.
It has to be the MT did you see that wheelie he did!
You know it!!! 😆💪
Excellent review and production, definitely MT 09 for me, but which one to choose base or SP🤔
Spend the extra and get the sp if you ride tight twisty roads a lot.
I've got the standard and am swapping out the forks and back shock already.
I'm swapping out gsxr dlc forks and zx6r rear shock. I've got another bike I built with the same set up, and it will far out handle my 9.
The SP has a similar set up right off the floor.
Figure braided lines and Vesrah pads for either of them though. Brakes are very wooden feeling.
I am a massive KTM fanboy but the sheer amount of reliability issues being reported has put me off buying a new one.
The Yamaha logo used on thumbnail is not the right one. Because it is of Yamaha Pro Audio.
Brilliant comparison 👍👍what about the street triple? So many great bikes ,I know you can’t answer 😄
Thanks Paul. Sure the street triple is great too, we just don't have access to one! Thanks, Aaron KNOX
I was roll racing my buddy on a zx14 vs my mt09 and in a 3rd gear roll race my Mt was leaping ahead until we hit 104 mph everytime, then he would walk away, my buddy was seriously impressed with the mt09
Yes, its a seriously strong engine! Aaron KNOX
Well, I suppose you need to consider that if you get the KTM in the UK you will need to have some kind of contact with the dealer network which in my experience are rude and unhelpful and thin on the ground, you will wait forever for warranty work and servicing, on the other hand my local Yamaha dealer couldn't be more helpful, it is a deal breaker for me
Every part of me wants the 890, but the reliability issues I've heard are pushing me to mt09 even though it's not quite the one I want. Such a difficult decision
If you want the 890, just go with it, its a "one in a decade" type special bike and the one I'd personally buy. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
@@KnoxArmour if it's that good then it's gotta be the one!
KTMs are amazing to ride, but after owning the 790 I'd never own one again. I spent more time worrying over what would break next than enjoying the bike. Very sad because they really do perform like nothing else. Give me reliability any day though!
@@TheVenom46 I just got rid of my 1290r exactly the same reason as you, and like you I would never buy a ktm again
Lovin my MT09 SP - cruise control is great for keeping your licence as well....
100%
im wanting to trade my zh2 for the MT09. great review and very entertaining
I’m trading my zh2 for street triple or 890 duke r
It’s a no brainer MT09SP all the way.
The problem with KTM from the get go is dealer network, I can go 3 miles and I am at the Yamaha dealer, another few miles and again a Yamaha dealer. The only KTM dealer is 40 miles away, that's it. Great bike though.
KTM ALL TIME BEST.. LOVE FROM INDIA 😍
Absolutely stunning work and a great comparison. Could you share the location of the video was shot? Especially the town at 10:20
Both are awesome bikes. And the backdrop/location is fabulous. Where was this video shot?
Thanks Harish! All shot in the English Lake District where Knox is located. Thanks, Aaron KNOX
Really great presentation. Awesome bikes and beautiful test venues. It’s a good time to be a rider!
Thanks, was brilliant to put together! Aaron KNOX
This is middleweight?
How did you disable the ABS on the mt09? I own one and don't like it
Haha, that's our next video where we show how to do it... stay tuned. It will transform the brakes on any new mt09 and R1. Thanks Aaron Knox
@@KnoxArmour that'll be good as Yamaha brakes known for being garbage!
First Class Video Next level shoot and comparison ❤❤❤
Many thanks for your kind feedback! Aaron KNOX