This is by far the best comparison video I`ve seen this year. I love the fact that you guys talk about how each aspect of these bikes "feel" rather then sticking to just the spec sheets. Congrats!
Nice round up ... although I may be biased as I bought a new 790 Duke back in 2019 after having an MT07 for 14 months from new (after a list of older bikes over almost 20 years riding). The MT was the most modern bike I'd owned and was a load of fun for a while .. but it is still pretty basic and the limits can be found without pushing it too much. Stepping up to the 790 was a blast ... loads more power and torque, far more agile chassis and suspension, a whole suite of decent electronic toys to play with .. it just felt like a much more mature package. The MT is a cracking bike for sure, I don't regret owning one at all ... but the 790 is definitely in a higher league, as are the Honda and Suzuki.
How've you found reliability on it? MT owner for the last 2 years and scoping options atm. Happy to do some basic spannering but the reliability of the MT is a huge thing for me
@@drummerboy768 it's had a couple of annoying little issues like very very gentle fluid weeps (not enough to drip on the floor but enough to dribble down the side of the engine) that got sorted under warranty with revised seals / gaskets - and the rear shock developed a damping fault so was replaced for new also under warranty ... other than that it has been no more or less reliable than any other bike I've owned from any other manufacturer. It's only ever failed to start / been unrideable just once in 4 years due to the stock battery being a bit crap, gave it some charge and away we went. I'd happily own another KTM no worries.
@@carametflorinthe owner of my local dealer was very forthright in telling me that KTM are the biggest pain when it comes to reliability and constant fixes under warranty. Also sells Honda and Kawasaki among others. He said KTM owners are generally quite accepting of recalls and warranty work. However, if you get a Japanese brand with any issues he is more likely to have a very upset customer. I guess the brands have conditioned us.
I think Suzuki is the best IMO. Most universal, reliable, with wide power train, this bike just want to go no matter what, and I've seen it's power curve, its magic how flat it is!
But! When one actually OWNS one of these, what you DON'T want to do is spend too much time at a dealer or pay too much/wait too long for parts. That, for me, takes the KTM right off the list. That little bit you get from it would sour pretty damned quickly after a few unscheduled trips to the dealer. Truly great to see, though, every one of these would do it, and kudos to Suzuki!
KTM are gaslighting people by 'extending' the warranty (to levels provided free by Chinese brands who make the bike anyway) as long as you pay main dealers hundreds for all the servicing. If CF Moto offer the long warranty on the same bike (but with their logo and less initial cost) KTM should honour that. KTM fanbois are letting us all down.
I understand the KTM winning but people won't buy them to me that GSX8S is the winner looks great lots of low down torque reliable shifter blipper good suspension clocks etc a bike you could live with whatever your skil level
Looks are subjective. I think the KTM looks better. Plus, the gsx8s has no top end. And I've heard that every review out there. No thanks. A more skilled rider wants that roaring top end
@vine2244 going fast on a straight line isn't skillful tho. You're not gonna use that top end the vast majority of the time, unless you're just simply stupid lol
@@vine2244 What you mean is posers want top end. On UK roads it's next to useless other than for making noise and getting frustrated. Low end grunt is much better for our roads with all their corners, crests, change in speed limits etc. Real riders know that, not the blingy bois.
Great review and they are all really nice bikes. The Suzuki is only €250 more than the Honda here in Ireland, the Ktm is €1,000 more. I think reliability has to be part of the decision and for me, you just know the Suzuki is going to be bullet proof. Don't think you can say that about the Ktm. The looks of the Honda doesn't do it any favours, the Mt still looks great. For me it's the Suzuki, every day of the week and twice on Sunday 😂😂
In new Zealand the Honda and Suzuki are the same price and the Honda quick shifter is NZ$800 fitted (stg400). The KTM is still coming. Will be NZ$3,000 more (stg1,500.)
@@MrKdr500 My valve train blew up after 33.000km, luckily at KTM you can extend the factory warranty every year which I did. The only thing now is I don't have a bike for the next 2 months.
Stay away from KTM, its fun but unreliable, as BraapBanana said, parts are hard to get and you'll wait long time to fix it here in Canada and USA, in Europe is different story!!
Ladies and gents, for the 4,000 people so far who've asked the same question... you're quite right, there were no Kawasaki, Triumph or Aprilia models included. You can probably tell that by the title. We deliberately chose the two main new parallel twins for 2023 (Honda and Suzuki), plus the KTM because it had been reintroduced for this year, is a parallel twin, and comes closest in the terms of spec and price. Then what better to include that the existing and long-term champ, the Yamaha. We talk about rivals in the film, and encouraged you to get involved, so thank you for doing so... and do keep it up, but don't keep saying the same thing: "No "!
You're being sold a con.. & the gullible's buy into it.. parallel twins are a sham Fad.. ESPECIALLY pushing the narrative that their moves are to be meeting emissions.. BS!.. counter to what self proclaimed "Royalty" have said of the 80s & 90s about Yamahas twins back When.. similar to Hondas V4s.. both 30yrs ahead of everyone else..
Picked my Suzuki 8 up a week ago after not owning a bike for 16 years I’ve 170 miles on her 2 up with my wife what a bike the low down power is unreal my previous bikes were 2007 r6,2003 cbr600rr, this Suzuki is perfect for me I plan on touring Scotland next year on her
Brilliant to hear! And welcome back to biking. Keep us posted about your travels. You could always share them via our Facebook group. Just search ‘Bennetts BikeSocial’
Fantastic analysis of the 4 bikes……really nice to watch some calm informative feedback and review instead of the standard on board shouting through a go pro stuff that you normally find on you tube. It surprises me a bit how so many riders find the hornet small and cramped…..I test rode the street triple r and hornet back to back and actually to me apart from the seat height the hornet felt more substantial (and comfortable) and if you check the specs of both bikes the ST is actually smaller in dimensions than the hornet. I also felt the hornets power was more accessible than the ST which for me = more fun ! No doubt the ST is a great bike….I ordered the hornet….delivery in September, can’t wait ! Thanks again BBS for an entertaining hour 👍
The Yamaha was too outdated / budge for me. KTM a little… too KTM (if you know what I mean). I tried the Honda - nice, very close, a little too ‘built-to-a-price’ and steering was a little too live - then tried the 8S - bingo, perfect. I’ve not looked back since - love my little Suzuki, fantastic bike. I get loads of nods out on the road and haven’t seen another one yet, so it feels special.
I feel like the 8s is super underrated, maybe due to the polarizing looks. I have an xsr which is basically a retro reskinned mt07, but I LOVE the way the 8s looks. Was definitely my second choice.
@@realnachewa great to know. Suspension and low pegs that sometimes scrap have been something I’ve been concerned about. I’m sorry to trouble you with another question, has the seat soften up? I assume the seat and suspension stiffness work hand in hand.
Suzuki all the way,..mainly because I think if you have years of experience you naturally would love the torque characteristics of the Suzuki ,.. well I did anyway 👍
KTM duke 790 owner, chosen after reading a lot about it. Among other type of bikes, on this particular segment came from a Ducati monster 821, that had for 5 years after an initial sv650. About the duke, I really have to say it is a wonder of engineering. What an incredibly fun, easy, powerful machine. The amount of confidence it delivers, making you feel like you're a super skilled rider, is really amazing.
Although KTM ranks first in terms of the criteria you have discussed here, it ranks last for me due to reliability problems. So my preference would be between Honda or Suzuki.
Really enjoyed this chat....appreciated all of your insights into these bikes. As a former owner of a gen1 MT07 got to admit that 2023 two parallel cylinder class has been really elevated with the other three newer bikes. Wish you had the Trident 660 over there as well for full comparison! Great talk 🎉
The one thing that rules out the KTM is the cam wear issue. Many of the 790s and 890s show disasterous cam wear at 10 to 20,000 miles. Like up to 2mm grooves in the cams. KTM are doing as little as possible as many bikes are 2+years old by the time this problem arrives. Check ADV rider where this issue keeps coming up.
Honda for me looks really bland, which is a shame because the cb650r is a great looking bike. KTM, I’d regret not getting the 890. Yamaha, too much money for what it is. Suzuki, best looking in my opinion but doesn’t sound like the engines best and it’s a bit porky. I have one of the final SV’s and got it for a bargain price, them v twin engines still brilliant and it’s a great chassis. Stock dunflops tyres let it down slightly and It’s no tech, but it’s not like you need it on a sub 100bhp bike. If I was to change to a bike in the same category, I’d probably try a Z650RS.
Just did 50 miles on my Hornet in the POURING rain back from the dealer. The Hornet is an absolute delight to ride, and really easy to handle which was vital as this is my first bike after getting full licence. It's a lovely machine and I am very happy. Now I just need some proper wet weather gear, this jacket wasn't as water proof as it's description made out!
Why does it always rain when you get a new bike….I have bought a bunch of new bikes in the past 10-15 years and almost every time I go with the sun shining and by the time you leave the dealer boom clouds on the ride home with a new bike and new tires 😳 both you don’t want to get wet🤦🏼♂️
Well put together revue Simon's input is always on the money. As for bikes I would pick the hornet I wouldn't trust a ktm built in Austria let alone China loads of horror stories out there well documented then a friend of mine bought a brand new 1290 two weeks in and its dripping coolant on the floor or is it just parking it's territory 😂
They did mention them, but it seems they chose battle of the twins. Though the Aprilia in my opinion is basically a better hornet, it'd be a close competitor to the 890 duke instead of the 790.
A removable subframe would be nice on a road bike if, as happened to me, a little tap by an inattentive driver bends the rear tip of the frame, causing a total loss of the bike (a CB500F) according to the Honda dealer. I took a little compensatory cash from the driver and removed the steel license plate hanger that got bent along with the frame, and ride with my plate zip-tied to a plastic bit. But a 2 mph bump totalling the bike? Please make the rear subframe removable for middleweight nakeds, and certainly for middleweight ADVs. I'm looking at you, Transalp. Suzuki it is.
I bought the Hornet in April and have loved every minute of riding it. I’m 66 and the big GS was getting a bit too heavy for me to manoeuvre around. I wanted something I could have a relaxed ride on, that was light and easy to ride and get my feet on the floor but you could have some fun with if you pulled the throttle back. The bike has cost me in total (with all the extras) £10,250 and I’m getting 69.2 MPG out of it. Really enjoyed your review
Hi Roger. How many extras did you buy for your Hornet? £3251 of extras? I rode it a few months ago and really liked it. Felt it was a bit flighty at higher speeds. (That may be down to tyre pressures, possibly). I ended up buying a 919 hornet instead, for a lot less. Enjoy your bike 👍👊✊
Congrats on a good decision. I would have picked the Hornet but learned that Honda has no plan to bless America, so I bought my new 790 Duke and love it.
the austrian magazine 1000PS tested a very recent cup version of the bike and apparently its veery capable and seems impressive by the looks of it. Its on youtube aswell you can look it up if you dont mind not understanding whats said.
I ended up buying the Hornet. I test rode the mt07, Hornet, sv650, and kawa 650. The 8s wasn’t out yet and I have read to much about KTM and people having problems with them, plus like you said it’s built in China now.. I will never buy a new motorcycle that’s built in China. I really liked riding the sv650, it felt really comfortable and sounded gorgeous with the Yosi pipe and I couldn’t complain about anything, but I felt it was just a old bike with new paint. The Kawa just isn’t me, the way it looks and I absolutely hate the sound of it. Rides fine just underpowered. I really really liked the mt07, I love the look and sound, but it’s a harsh ride and the seat is really hard compared to the others. I ended up buying the Hornet because it was the one with most power and comfort.. I am honest I absolutely hate the look of the Hornet. It looks boring and like the 500 and I never liked the look of that either. If they could put the Hornet motor in the mt07 and put another suspension in, I would be 😍 I am a new rider, but I can feel what you are talking about on the Hornet wenn pushing it in corners. I do love how easy it is to flick into corners though. I bought the yellow one, it’s a lot nicer irl. The red color on the black and white Hornet. I hate that color cause it makes the bike look cheap..
You are right especially the red and white one it looks super cheap when compared to the gun metal one which I think that or the black and red are the best looking. Other than that stickers might be the way to go for the hornet
My 2019 Suzuki Katana is my best naked bike. Character, best Gixxer engine ever, easy maintain, reliable & best value for money and finally something so different to this lot.
just bought the 2024 suzuki gsx-8s. the katana was what i was also highly debating on getting, I just cant get past the two blocky rectangle headlights
@@baileyberry4370I'm still new to the motorcycle world, but my suzuki mechanic rightly said that if you ride many miles, a middleweight bike will be a lot cheaper to run.
the katana is weird looking, in my country almost 50% more expensive than 8s, heavier and more fuel demanding...mire is not always better for everyone. Horses for corses
@@bennettsbikesocial It was certainly mentioned but did you mention the cost of the KTM as tested as distinct from RRP? And the Honda and Yamaha for that matter since both of them had the quickshifter added. The only one tested as standard was the Suzuki. The Suzuki also has a three year warranty which the others don't and it's extendable to 7 years or 70,000 miles at no extra cost as long as you keep it dealer serviced. Of course Suzuki can offer this knowing it's going to be reliable, unlike your winner!
The Suzuki has proven to be a monster when tuned and upgraded with a better air box and full exhaust. 2WDW is getting 88 whp (around 100 bhp) with the said mods. The actual throttle position is also completely murdered in the higher rev’s on the Suzuki. A tune fixes the issues…
It’s only £200 more expensive if you spec it to the equivalent of the original. Not too bad if you think about how much inflation there has been since 2018
Great review. I think I would prefer the KTM 790. But not trusting KTM to be reliable I went with the Suzuki. Love the low to mid range. Would like a little more pull on top. Hopefully an ECU flash will solve that. Oh and Yohimura to solve that tail section.
@@jake88ciNot a chance. KTM is known for dodgy reliability and being made in China definitely isn't going to change that. Suzuki, on the other hand, is consistently reliable and the fact that the engine is pretty mild should help.
@jridenour31 yes but cf moto are offering a 4 year warranty on their bikes which shows they think reliability shouldn't be too much of an issue, also if ktm were having lots of issues cf moto would end up loosing the contract so I doubt reliability, other than the usual ktm niggles, is going to be a problem just because it's built in China
@jridenour31 Just pointing out that KTM has been quite reliable the last few years. As long as they keep it up, KTMs being unreliable will be more meme than reality
Since I am short and have a 28" (711mm) inseam, I often end up preferring motorcycles like the Hornet that finish low in these comparisons because they feel cramped for the larger testers. I am embarrassed to admit that it took me a very long time to realize why I didn't like the winners from tests like this. Too tall. I like KTM's, but they are all too tall for me. FWIW, I know how to slide off the seat and use the "one foot down" or "single cheek" technique. It was fine when I was young, but I am now old and stiff enough that I prefer not to do it.
Thanks for the note, we have a ‘Top Tips for shorter riders’ video coming soon. Filmed with a 5’3” lady and 5’6” chap, both experienced riders who offer all sorts of techniques and thoughts. Keep an eye out!
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks. I want to mention that it is indeed helpful when the testers give their heights like you did in this video. That provides some context when you talk about ergonomics. Inseam lengths are also useful, since I have known "short torso" people my height whose legs were considerably longer.
Same here. I went and sat on the KTM and the Suzuki and while I wanted the KTM to be the right answer, as a short rider (5'5'') the Suzuki just felt better. If the Hornet was in the US, I feel like I may have liked that, but I'm happy with the suzuki! Good info guys.
@@undinism69 I have not had the opportunity. No dealers close enough to "just drop by" while doing errands. Judging by their website the "L" would have a seat height of 31.4" which might be fine. I'm glad that Triumph makes lower seat options available on some of their models, though.
All these bikes are good but I've ordered the Honda (with quick shifter and heated grips) as it suits my needs and I found it hard to fault when I had a test ride. It's got an exciting engine, a good ride and it's tremendous value for money. I wouldn't buy the 790 Duke as it's made in China, and I wouldn't buy the Suzuki as I don't like it's looks and its ride could be too firm. At the end of the day fortunately we're spoilt for choice!
I've owned a couple of KTM's (LC8's). I've ridden many other KTM products, small, mid-size, and dirt. All are fun. No question. All feel well sorted in suspension and ergonomics. All engines have felt lively and charismatic. However, I hear people talking about these Chinese assembled KTM's. A bit concerning. I'm not concerned by a KTM built by CF Moto. I'm concerned with the KTM product in general. Go and find an Austrian made KTM with quality looking switch gear and plastics... they don't exist. Also, you talk to anyone who works at a KTM dealership and ask how many warranty claims they have on modern bikes. I'll probably own another Kato because they are just more fun compared to the other major brands. But would I rely on them like I would a Japanese manufacturer? Not at this stage.
owned 2x790 Duke 2018 and 2020 Engine replacement, electrical problems, battery problems, coolant leaks, oil leaks, paint peeling. These reviews are near enough useless if reliability isn't taken into account. Never ever KTM again.
I wish we had the same prices here in Denmark. Yamaha - 95k, Suzuki and Honda - 100k and the KTM IS 120k. I would choose the Suzuki from new and KTM as second hand. Great vid 👍
A few years back I was looking into getting a nice new KTM 1290R. I saved my pennies, waited for the new model year to come out and popped to the dealer. Most of the paperwork done and he came out with "would you like any extras" - I had already got some of the power parts and the Akra in mind so said yes. The next thing he said was "would you like to add the (can't remember the name) pack" which was to unlock wheelie control, rear abs defeat and a couple of other things. Long story short I said thats a deal breaker and he tried to call my bluff by saying he couldn't do anything about it. I walked and two days later he called to say he could get it thrown in as "goodwill". I declined and haven't been back since - nor will I while they continue the ridiculous practice of trying to charge extra to digitally unlock things which are already on the bike and have already had all the cost and development paid. On where they are built - it makes no difference apart from showing intent. If they are building in Japan or other places with high wages they are likely going for quality over price. If they are going to Thailand they are looking for a price cut and my Thai built Honda certainly isn't up to the quality of my Japan built ones - not bad but there are noticable differences in quality. Made in China got a bad name for a reason because the early Chinese built bikes were terrible. I've been to the WK and CF Moto stands at the NEC along with the usual 125cc ones and the general trend seems to be poor welds, uncovered wiring, things not quite lined up properly and really cheap materials. Obviously not all are like that but its certainly a gamble. Anywhere can produce bikes of the same quality but when they do they tend to cost a similar amount. The exeption is when there are subsidies such as state ownership and infrastructure investment. If you need to be told why thats a bad thing when there is a dictatorship in power just ask the workers.
Wanted a second bike to use around the country lanes so test rode the Hornet and S8 back to back 3 weeks ago and bought the S8. I felt the engine was better, had more grunt, none of these bikes need to be screamed on the public road so having the power low and mid range is far better for me than screaming it!! and I felt the quality of the Suzuki was better than the Honda which had a swing arm that looks like it was off a 125!! and the sub frame join to the rest of the frame also looked cheap compared to the S8 which is a far better looking and practical addition. With regards to value, some people are missing something... The Hornet gets a 2 year warranty so to get it with the same 3 year warranty as the S8 costs an extra £250, the quick shifter £260 so its nowhere way above the Hornet as some suggest.. The other thing that is far better than all the others is if you keep the Suzuki serviced every year you get a renewed FULL Suzuki warranty each year for up to 7 years FOC!!! Had 2 KTM,s a 1290 Adventure and a 390 Duke, both played up and I got rid so never again....My wife had a 390 Duke and that played up too!
@@spartanx169x POS, literally. A piece of sheeeet. Typical KTM quality control. And then, gee whiz, let's produce our bike in china-land, because our products don't have a big enough reliability black-cloud hanging over our head already.......stupid is as stupid does.
Couldn't sleep tonight so I thought I would watch this to help me. I have now watched it and I'm still awake. I found it very interesting as I own a new Hornet and love it. I agree with most of what you said but for me I had 7 grand to spend and the Hornet was the only one that came in at that price. I sold a 390duke to buy it and did try the 790 a few years ago but wasn't blown away by it at the time. Not sure why. I've owned loads of bikes and the Hornet is as much fun as any of them on the road. I also think it's got loads of bottom end power. I'm surprised it didn't come out on top to be honest after you said it was cheapest, sounded the best, steered the quickest, had a great quick shifter, the most storage and the biggest tank for better range. I'm quite small so fit it well and love the dash which has 4 different layouts to choose from. I do agree it can get out of shape a bit at speed and it's not the best looking of the bunch but better looking than the MT07!! Anyway a great review of 4 fantastic machines and no the triumphs being triples shouldn't have been included in this test I don't think but I would like to see a test between the Hornet and the new CFmoto 800nk as they're both 7 grand. Also the 790duke and the CFmoto 800nk as they share the same engine.
Great, balanced comparison. I haven't ridden any of these but would consider them as a second bike. I think I'd go for the Suzuki on looks and low down grunt. I always like the idea of a KTM but would I own one? Probably not. I've heard too many horror stories about reliability issues. Maybe a Chinese built one will be better though! Despite being a Yamaha owner I think the MT07 has had its day. I like the Hornet in red and white but I've seen it and strikes me as too small.
Really enjoyed that.......appreciate your efforts guys!!! Too me, it's important that something is made in the country you'd expect it to hail from. Sadly, for example, some brands like Harley and Triumph each like to lean heavily on their 'proud' respective American and British roots, but then go and have certain models made in Brazil, India and Thailand. To see a foreign manufactured Triumph emblazoned/plastered with the British Union flag just makes me cringe. To my mind, that's a combo of cheating at best, and deception of the customer at worst.
The KTM looks awful, has not the best reputation for reliability, looks too aggressive and there are no KTM dealers anywhere near me. The Honda looks too small and bland. The yamaha I also don't like the looks of (and I love my 2011 yamaha xj6, so I'd really want to love the yam, but don't), so it would have to be the suzuki for me, but it's far from perfect, too much money and there are loads of other, second hand bikes, I'd rather have instead. It would have been great to get a pillion opinion, or just a bit of information on the perches as, when I'm not commuting, 90% of my riding is done 2 up...
the differences in pricing here (greece) is so weird and really changes the 'rating' of the bikes when thinking what to buy... hornet is 8.750e (7.545ukp) here and 7.000ukp in the uk, but mt-07 is 8.100e (6.985ukp) here and 7.510ukp in the uk the duke starts at 8.500 pounds here instead of 8.000 and the suzuki has ~ the same price, 8.018pounds if you compare the duke vs the "pure" version of the mt-07 (old dash, not the colour tft) that is 430pounds cheaper, its 6.500 vs 8.500 pounds, which really makes a difference...
in regards to price, the yammy is the cheapest at $8200 in the US, the suzuki is 8850, and the ktm is a whopping 9200. (the hornet is not available in the US) incidentally, the sv650 is still available and is only 7400. and still an absolutely excellent bike. they mention the handlebar angle being adjustable... the ktm says it actually has four positions on the triple clamp for the handlebar mount. i don't think i've ever seen that on any other bike. another bike nobody talks about in this class is the gsx-s750. it's only $8650 and has about 98hp, 54ftlbs. the most recent review i could find was from 2015, but there are two dealerships near me that have at least one in stock for 2023. though in terms of modern, this model is not. regarding fuel capacity, my sv650 will easily go another 10 miles after the screen says zero miles remaining. and that's with spirited riding. but my z900 on the other hand won't even show figures that low, it stops showing a number under like 15. but if you count it out, it's usually right on the money. 15 miles later, you had better already have stopped because that's the absolute max you'll get even with gentle riding. so each manufacturer, and maybe each model, should be range checked when you buy it, so that you know what the dash numbers mean.
I normally really, really enjoy videos by you guys because I can listen to them and watch them interchangeably throughout but this one was long and there were too many “this one and that one, whereas that one trumps these ones…..”, to the point where I gave up. I have no idea which bikes they were talking about without looking at the video just to see them pointing to the one they were referring to.
@@HeyAddieImTojo That is a great point actually. The only reason for me at least is insurance costs on 1000cc bikes were quite hefty as I'm a relatively new rider. The Mt09 didn't come in at much more than the mt07 when looking for my first big bike.
@@therealquaid1694 Dude, same here😂 i almost finished a deal on a cbr1000 a couple years ago. It would have cost me 2 months pay (before taxes and all) to get it insured for a year. But in all honesty tho you are pretty spot on. Mt09 has a great engine both powerwise and characterwise, for the street
It is so good to watch 4 guys talk sense about motorcycles. I know all the terminology and appreciate the time you have put into making this film. I just wouldn't have a parallel twin if it was free. I did win the NMM's 2018 Winter Raffle and just couldn't bare seeing it in my garage too long. I am a single and four cylinder engine nut, two stroke and four. All the best.
Hi, great video, I’ve been biking for 40 years. Had a nasty crash over the winter which wrote off my z900 2019. I wanted something lighter as I’m still recovering from the broken leg, shoulder etc. Test rode the hornet in April then the KTM straight after. Rode the KTM twice as far on the demo before I headed back. In April they had 3.9% finance & free quickshifter so I ordered a KTM, got it later that month. 3000 miles later it’s a great bike. You pointed out the better motor & suspension, it just seemed a better bike all round. I rode the Yamaha a few times after launch but couldn’t face the poor standard suspension. All the best guys 👏😎👍🏍
As some have already mentioned, the new 790 Duke is down on power compared to the first model (95bhp compared to 105bhp) and doesn't have all the same tech and quickshifter/blipper as standard. It's also made in China now. I owned a 2020 original model and while a good bike it had several issues...leaking sprocket and thermostat housing, rust appearing on the engine block after 9 months of mainly dry non winter use, bike cutting out on downshifts. Hopefully, these things have been rectified
I wonder what is different if anything hardware wise for that power loss or if it is fuelling/mapping. If so, for someone not interested in A2 you could tune that back to full power pretty easily. What can also be done is fuel it richer to solve the issue you mention with stalling on downshifts. This is down to them being super-lean from factory to meet emissions standards.
@MotoGoato A good question and one I put to ktm. Only to be told their warranty didn't cover wear and tear. There was definite bubbling starting around the headers where the top end meets the bottom end
@@TheeMisterspain ahhh I see, ok .. bit of oxidisation forming under the paint by the sound of it. You got a little unlucky there .. my 2019 790 shows no signs of any corrosion or rust anywhere, even all the bolt heads (usually the first to go) are still good. Have used a fair bit of ACF-50 and TC-200 protectants on it since new though, seems like those must be helping.
I've had 2 Ktm 790 Dukes, first one brand new in 2021, I returned under warranty to dealership after 300km, leaked oil from 3 different parts of cylinder head and second one they gave me I had since then, lasted until now at 5500km before same leak appeared and counter shaft leak. Very fun bike, rides like no other but never ever anymore! Out of warranty and prepare 2k$ to fix it!!
Keep saying that I bought the Hornet as I wanted a budget middleweight. I didn't really want to give more than 7 grand. If I wanted the best middleweight I wouldn't look at any of these. Price should be a top consideration with these machines.
Really happy the riding position was spoken about with various peoples heights and what not. Always gets missed. Gives people great information when a test ride is not always available
It has three-cylinders and much more power! Ok, so we didn’t title this ‘the parallel twin test’ but the emphasis was partly on that layout because the Honda and Suzuki are completely new bikes that happened to be twins. I agree, I’d opt for the StTrip if it were my money but the spec sheet suggests it’s a step up from these four.
I live in the USA, and I wouldn't choose KTM due to upkeep. Honda and Suzuki would be both my picks depending on rider height, weight, and comfort. Yamaha is nice, I have one, but is outdated and not completing enough for the price.
Makes more sense to compare the Yamaha to the displacement class, rather than price class. From that perspective, I'd say the Yamaha has gotten to be nearly the most expensive in its class, rather than comparing it to the 750cc twin class and saying the Yamaha is the most de-contented of the 750 class. I'm also USA. The GSX-8S is a wonderful machine, took it on demo not long ago. I've ridden a pile of bikes over the years, owned stuff from 70hp to 150 hp with all cylinder configurations. The 8S is not in the 650-690 class of bikes and neither was it supposed to be, rather, it's right up there in the well-rounded mid range, with a good helping of modern hardware to keep it fresh going forward. No idea if Honda will bring the Hornet over.
I’ve only ridden the mt-07 but just looking at the specs I think the Honda deserves more even though it doesn’t have the best looks ultimately it sounds the best, performs well, super reliable and very affordable. I would buy the Honda even though my heart is set on inline 4 engines
You can't just look at the specs and say the Honda should be ranked higher. The MT07 is behind in everything. 0-60 between the 8S, Hornet, and Duke are almost identical and 0-100 are pretty close. The 8S and Duke outhandle the Hornet and have a better power curve for a naked street bike. The only things the Hornet beats them at is top end and price.
For me it's a no brainer. The Duke 790 is nimble, powerful, torquey, light, good looking and well equipped (although the screen looks a little dated). Even if it's a little more expensive, I would sooner buy a low km, second hand Duke 790 over any of the others. The Honda sounds like it's a really good bike but jeez, its just so uninspiring! The design is so boring and especially the engine castings. The KTM has an awesome looking engine with beautiful and purposeful details all over it which for me is a big deal. The Honda engine looks CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP which is a real shame because it sounds like it's actually a good engine. Also the CB650R engine looks great so why couldn't Honda bring over some of that engine design to the CB750? I'm guessing it was budget. They cut corners and as a result, it's crossed off the list for me. The GSX8S looks decent too. Nice screen, good switch gear, torquey engine but I want it to be exciting to rev out when I get the opportunity and it sounds like the 8S is more of a torquey cruiser so it kind of crosses itself off the list. Also I'm not in love with the design. Lastly the MT07. I used to own the LAMS (power restricted 655cc version for the NZ & Aus market) of the MT07 and it was a decent bike but the suspension is floppy. It's comfy but as soon as you get spirited in the corners, it bounces and wallows around. Upright forks on a 2023 bike? C'mon Yamaha. The engine looks nice with good details and castings so it gets points from me there and the styling is decent but still no ride by wire, still no traction control... I think it's due for an overhaul with better suspension and traction control. So yeah, basically the Duke 790 is the only one that actually ticks all of the boxes and there are tonnes of lightly used second hand models on the market so it's a no brainer! I'm still saving though so maybe by the time I have the money, there will be more options to consider.
53:10 - I have to say, my 8S returns between 65-70mpg. I would happily bet that if I put my key in the ignition and turned to the average mpg right this second, it would be high 60s. So I’m not sure how you manage 48ish? Maybe you guys are heavier and more throttle-hungry than I, (I’m about 80kg and ride slightly enthusiastically most of the time).
Totally with you. I can get the claimed figure from my SV650, (74mpg for the 2018 model I have), while most people get under 60. I am confident I'll get the 67mpg claimed for the GSX-8S when I get it next year. I just try to ride smoothly and mostly within legal limits - I guess many people think that's boring but I do over 10,000 miles a year and pay for my own fuel! And I enjoy my riding! Thank you for confirming the claimed economy is possible.
I think the reason why the Hornet might feels like a smaller bike is due to the level of the tank and pilon seat. Since You’re not sitting “on top of” but rather “in” the bike you have a feeling of being relatively low (which is only emphasised by the seat height, which is pretty low).
Thanks for helping me narrow down middleweight contenders - 600 miles into KTM 790 Duke ownership has be thinking no street machine could possibly be more satisfying.
My gf rides her MT-07 on about 2.9 litres/100km. It's a bulletproof engine that is darned fun. The Honda engine is rattling, clutch arm squeaks and it sounds terrible in comparison. Have the Transalp 750 myself and I hate the bike. It's going out the door tomorrow. The KTM is not even close in quality. It's simply inferior. Time, statistics and users have shown that. Suzuki looks weird but I am sure it's a well working bike.
I'd put it this way, if you own a dependable motorcycle already and are looking for a second bike that will offer you peak performance and aggression get the KTM. However if it is going to be the only bike in your garage take your pick out of the other 3.
I wanted the KTM, had several test rides thru some twisties ... then i rode the Suzuki thru the same twisties - Put my money on the 8S that same day !!! 😅❤
@@janmegatron I can imagine that very well. I am 1.70 m tall and weigh 69 kg. The Hornet fits me perfectly. But at 1.85 m tall I would look for a travel enduro. Yamaha Tracer or Honda Transalp
It’s great that there are so many good middle weight naked to choose from. I think I like the Suzuki best personally (but haven’t ridden the Honda or KTM!)
Look the 2008 naked BKing hyabusa had no rider aids other then mode B and 15 year old tyre technology.these aids are good for a v4 Ducati but a 100hp twin,not sure
The wrenching aspect of the KTM is what kept me away from it. Yamaha is the most dated of the 4, but it's also the most reliable, and that matters a lot to me. I love the Suzuki as well. I can't fairly grade the Honda because I don't like how it looks.
The KTM is a disposable bike, poor dealership network and extremely poor build quality in the long run. A real hit or miss bike to own. My 1290 super adventure s 2023 lasted 6 months from new 3.5 months it was in the garage, you name a part and it failed. Rear cylinder head gasket was the final nail in the coffin for me.
This video is a godsent to me, I love how you have several riders testing all bikes and comparing both the specs as well as the feel. I'm looking for my first bike and these 4 are the exact ones I was seriously considering. And a lot of the arguments in my head were logic vs. emotions, which didn't make it easier. But it seems that the emotional side had the right instinct. If the test ride confirms my choice I shall take a Suzuki home, thank you guys!
15kg less and 10 hp more and suzuki would be perfect. Anyway seems the best choice at this price. Ktm probably more fun but don't think it s too reliable... Suzuki seems a better quality bike.. It s even the more beautiful of them.
Anyone that bought any of the other three bikes and absolutely love them should thank Yamaha. If it wasn’t for the mt07 the other three wouldn’t exist. Even though I have a 2022 mt07 I think all of us benefit from having so many naked twin to choose from that are so good that it’s hard to choose one over the others. I kinda like the hornet but the fact is that the deciding factor for me getting the Yamaha is the lack of electronics on it.
Live in the US (Alaska)....currently own an 03 CBR600RR. Tried to find the CB750 Hornet...unfortunately....they do not sell that here in America - only the CB500F.....Come on Honda!!!! Get with the times!!!
Really compelling format; the similar test you did a couple of years ago with the Tiger 900, Tracer GT etc is still in my favourites list. I find the group of you (who consist of most of my favourite roadtesting bike gurus in one…. barn? Partly-completed garage?) in discussion far more informative and engaging than one reviewer standing by a bike reading a list of specs. I’ll caveat that by saying that I DO enjoy more conventional road tests/launch reports and understand that this format must take a lot of organising, coordinating schedules and logistics but when you can do them, I will definitely pay attention, even if I’m not that interested in any of the bikes being reviewed. Which is the case here, though I’m being tickled by the idea of the KTM’s slightly bigger brother as a track bike. So thank you quite a lotly, please keep them coming and if you could do a similar gig for the next-level up nakeds/semi-najeds such as KTM 890R, Triumph Street Triple RS, Aprilia RS660/Tuono 660 Factory, that’d be super
Thanks Mr D, it's our pleasure to be able to make this kind of content, and to have the likes of Simon, Martin and John contribute so cohenrently and with great experience was a privilege. We're always open to ideas and I'm working on creating a 125cc commuter group test at the moment. All the best, Michael
Don’t think a 600ish CP2 is even comparable to these bigger bikes, the category has shifted, but for a small twin, with the right zaust it does a great 600 Monster impression, such a lively and low inertia motor and proper analogue throttle.. love mine in my wee XTribute scrambler, hate look of all of these,,, but look forward to the Husky version of that KTM 😎
This is by far the best comparison video I`ve seen this year. I love the fact that you guys talk about how each aspect of these bikes "feel" rather then sticking to just the spec sheets. Congrats!
The chinese KTM may be as reliable as an austrian KTM but an austrian KTM is nowhere near as reliable as the japanese bikes.
FINALLY, someone with a logical, rational statement.
100%
Nice round up ... although I may be biased as I bought a new 790 Duke back in 2019 after having an MT07 for 14 months from new (after a list of older bikes over almost 20 years riding). The MT was the most modern bike I'd owned and was a load of fun for a while .. but it is still pretty basic and the limits can be found without pushing it too much. Stepping up to the 790 was a blast ... loads more power and torque, far more agile chassis and suspension, a whole suite of decent electronic toys to play with .. it just felt like a much more mature package. The MT is a cracking bike for sure, I don't regret owning one at all ... but the 790 is definitely in a higher league, as are the Honda and Suzuki.
How've you found reliability on it? MT owner for the last 2 years and scoping options atm. Happy to do some basic spannering but the reliability of the MT is a huge thing for me
@@drummerboy768 it's had a couple of annoying little issues like very very gentle fluid weeps (not enough to drip on the floor but enough to dribble down the side of the engine) that got sorted under warranty with revised seals / gaskets - and the rear shock developed a damping fault so was replaced for new also under warranty ... other than that it has been no more or less reliable than any other bike I've owned from any other manufacturer. It's only ever failed to start / been unrideable just once in 4 years due to the stock battery being a bit crap, gave it some charge and away we went. I'd happily own another KTM no worries.
What about the heat that comes from shifting gear ? Thank you !
@@carametflorinthe owner of my local dealer was very forthright in telling me that KTM are the biggest pain when it comes to reliability and constant fixes under warranty. Also sells Honda and Kawasaki among others. He said KTM owners are generally quite accepting of recalls and warranty work. However, if you get a Japanese brand with any issues he is more likely to have a very upset customer. I guess the brands have conditioned us.
That Suzuki is a phenomenal package and looks the part too. Can't wait to see them de-restricted.
Biggest fuel injectors of the bunch. E.C.U. flashes should be fun.
@@moorepower13should be able to get 105hp if the old ktm 790 made that amount.
I think Suzuki is the best IMO. Most universal, reliable, with wide power train, this bike just want to go no matter what, and I've seen it's power curve, its magic how flat it is!
But! When one actually OWNS one of these, what you DON'T want to do is spend too much time at a dealer or pay too much/wait too long for parts. That, for me, takes the KTM right off the list. That little bit you get from it would sour pretty damned quickly after a few unscheduled trips to the dealer. Truly great to see, though, every one of these would do it, and kudos to Suzuki!
KTM are gaslighting people by 'extending' the warranty (to levels provided free by Chinese brands who make the bike anyway) as long as you pay main dealers hundreds for all the servicing. If CF Moto offer the long warranty on the same bike (but with their logo and less initial cost) KTM should honour that. KTM fanbois are letting us all down.
I understand the KTM winning but people won't buy them to me that GSX8S is the winner looks great lots of low down torque reliable shifter blipper good suspension clocks etc a bike you could live with whatever your skil level
Looks are subjective. I think the KTM looks better. Plus, the gsx8s has no top end. And I've heard that every review out there. No thanks. A more skilled rider wants that roaring top end
@vine2244 going fast on a straight line isn't skillful tho. You're not gonna use that top end the vast majority of the time, unless you're just simply stupid lol
@@vine2244 What you mean is posers want top end. On UK roads it's next to useless other than for making noise and getting frustrated. Low end grunt is much better for our roads with all their corners, crests, change in speed limits etc. Real riders know that, not the blingy bois.
Great review and they are all really nice bikes. The Suzuki is only €250 more than the Honda here in Ireland, the Ktm is €1,000 more. I think reliability has to be part of the decision and for me, you just know the Suzuki is going to be bullet proof. Don't think you can say that about the Ktm. The looks of the Honda doesn't do it any favours, the Mt still looks great. For me it's the Suzuki, every day of the week and twice on Sunday 😂😂
In new Zealand the Honda and Suzuki are the same price and the Honda quick shifter is NZ$800 fitted (stg400). The KTM is still coming. Will be NZ$3,000 more (stg1,500.)
i have a 2018 790 duke with 115,000km's and still sounds great.
@@MrKdr500 My valve train blew up after 33.000km, luckily at KTM you can extend the factory warranty every year which I did. The only thing now is I don't have a bike for the next 2 months.
@@BraapBanana_ every biker needs at least two bikes for that reason imo😎
Stay away from KTM, its fun but unreliable, as BraapBanana said, parts are hard to get and you'll wait long time to fix it here in Canada and USA, in Europe is different story!!
Ladies and gents, for the 4,000 people so far who've asked the same question... you're quite right, there were no Kawasaki, Triumph or Aprilia models included. You can probably tell that by the title. We deliberately chose the two main new parallel twins for 2023 (Honda and Suzuki), plus the KTM because it had been reintroduced for this year, is a parallel twin, and comes closest in the terms of spec and price. Then what better to include that the existing and long-term champ, the Yamaha. We talk about rivals in the film, and encouraged you to get involved, so thank you for doing so... and do keep it up, but don't keep saying the same thing: "No "!
You're being sold a con.. & the gullible's buy into it.. parallel twins are a sham Fad.. ESPECIALLY pushing the narrative that their moves are to be meeting emissions.. BS!.. counter to what self proclaimed "Royalty" have said of the 80s & 90s about Yamahas twins back When.. similar to Hondas V4s.. both 30yrs ahead of everyone else..
Picked my Suzuki 8 up a week ago after not owning a bike for 16 years I’ve 170 miles on her 2 up with my wife what a bike the low down power is unreal my previous bikes were 2007 r6,2003 cbr600rr, this Suzuki is perfect for me I plan on touring Scotland next year on her
Brilliant to hear! And welcome back to biking. Keep us posted about your travels. You could always share them via our Facebook group. Just search ‘Bennetts BikeSocial’
Ppl say you can find 10 more hp with retune and exhausted
@@Knockelheadyou can indeed. The exhaust is deeply restricting power. I think 90hp are possible with good exhaust system
Awesome choice 👍 mate
2 wheel dyno works is getting an extra 16hp out of the Suzuki
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Fantastic analysis of the 4 bikes……really nice to watch some calm informative feedback and review instead of the standard on board shouting through a go pro stuff that you normally find on you tube.
It surprises me a bit how so many riders find the hornet small and cramped…..I test rode the street triple r and hornet back to back and actually to me apart from the seat height the hornet felt more substantial (and comfortable) and if you check the specs of both bikes the ST is actually smaller in dimensions than the hornet.
I also felt the hornets power was more accessible than the ST which for me = more fun !
No doubt the ST is a great bike….I ordered the hornet….delivery in September, can’t wait !
Thanks again BBS for an entertaining hour 👍
Triumph Street triple 765 is missing :)
The Yamaha was too outdated / budge for me. KTM a little… too KTM (if you know what I mean). I tried the Honda - nice, very close, a little too ‘built-to-a-price’ and steering was a little too live - then tried the 8S - bingo, perfect. I’ve not looked back since - love my little Suzuki, fantastic bike. I get loads of nods out on the road and haven’t seen another one yet, so it feels special.
Also the Suzuki has another 10hp that can be tuned out with an ECU flash
Suzuki's are very reliable.
I feel like the 8s is super underrated, maybe due to the polarizing looks. I have an xsr which is basically a retro reskinned mt07, but I LOVE the way the 8s looks. Was definitely my second choice.
The MT07 very good l listen to myself when l ride
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Suzuki 8S well balanced bike 🤩🤩🤩 I ride it on daily basis
Do you find the suspension too firm for commuting, inner city ride with rough roads?
@@florme6494 Yep it was before but after a year of riding it becomes softer
@@realnachewa great to know. Suspension and low pegs that sometimes scrap have been something I’ve been concerned about. I’m sorry to trouble you with another question, has the seat soften up? I assume the seat and suspension stiffness work hand in hand.
@@florme6494 the seat seems like just the same. for me the seat is a bit short
Love the 2023 MT-07. Big fan
Suzuki all the way,..mainly because I think if you have years of experience you naturally would love the torque characteristics of the Suzuki ,.. well I did anyway 👍
KTM duke 790 owner, chosen after reading a lot about it. Among other type of bikes, on this particular segment came from a Ducati monster 821, that had for 5 years after an initial sv650. About the duke, I really have to say it is a wonder of engineering. What an incredibly fun, easy, powerful machine. The amount of confidence it delivers, making you feel like you're a super skilled rider, is really amazing.
Is it a good choice for first bike?
Did you get the Austria or China made version?
Although KTM ranks first in terms of the criteria you have discussed here, it ranks last for me due to reliability problems. So my preference would be between Honda or Suzuki.
Really enjoyed this chat....appreciated all of your insights into these bikes. As a former owner of a gen1 MT07 got to admit that 2023 two parallel cylinder class has been really elevated with the other three newer bikes. Wish you had the Trident 660 over there as well for full comparison! Great talk 🎉
The one thing that rules out the KTM is the cam wear issue. Many of the 790s and 890s show disasterous cam wear at 10 to 20,000 miles. Like up to 2mm grooves in the cams. KTM are doing as little as possible as many bikes are 2+years old by the time this problem arrives.
Check ADV rider where this issue keeps coming up.
Honda for me looks really bland, which is a shame because the cb650r is a great looking bike.
KTM, I’d regret not getting the 890.
Yamaha, too much money for what it is.
Suzuki, best looking in my opinion but doesn’t sound like the engines best and it’s a bit porky.
I have one of the final SV’s and got it for a bargain price, them v twin engines still brilliant and it’s a great chassis. Stock dunflops tyres let it down slightly and It’s no tech, but it’s not like you need it on a sub 100bhp bike.
If I was to change to a bike in the same category, I’d probably try a Z650RS.
-2 teeth on the front sprocket really wakes and SV up too 😁
Just did 50 miles on my Hornet in the POURING rain back from the dealer. The Hornet is an absolute delight to ride, and really easy to handle which was vital as this is my first bike after getting full licence. It's a lovely machine and I am very happy.
Now I just need some proper wet weather gear, this jacket wasn't as water proof as it's description made out!
Why does it always rain when you get a new bike….I have bought a bunch of new bikes in the past 10-15 years and almost every time I go with the sun shining and by the time you leave the dealer boom clouds on the ride home with a new bike and new tires 😳 both you don’t want to get wet🤦🏼♂️
Guess just england weather ? 🤷
Well put together revue Simon's input is always on the money. As for bikes I would pick the hornet I wouldn't trust a ktm built in Austria let alone China loads of horror stories out there well documented then a friend of mine bought a brand new 1290 two weeks in and its dripping coolant on the floor or is it just parking it's territory 😂
Notorious for leaks
Triumph Trident and Troon 660 would have been good additions.
They did mention them, but it seems they chose battle of the twins. Though the Aprilia in my opinion is basically a better hornet, it'd be a close competitor to the 890 duke instead of the 790.
@@JelloThatsMellow
the aprilia costs much more than all of the rest, it is also a track foxused high revving bike compared to the other street bikes.
ive had a trident before i bought the 790 duke, the ktm is a lot more fun.
A removable subframe would be nice on a road bike if, as happened to me, a little tap by an inattentive driver bends the rear tip of the frame, causing a total loss of the bike (a CB500F) according to the Honda dealer. I took a little compensatory cash from the driver and removed the steel license plate hanger that got bent along with the frame, and ride with my plate zip-tied to a plastic bit. But a 2 mph bump totalling the bike? Please make the rear subframe removable for middleweight nakeds, and certainly for middleweight ADVs. I'm looking at you, Transalp. Suzuki it is.
I bought the Hornet in April and have loved every minute of riding it. I’m 66 and the big GS was getting a bit too heavy for me to manoeuvre around. I wanted something I could have a relaxed ride on, that was light and easy to ride and get my feet on the floor but you could have some fun with if you pulled the throttle back. The bike has cost me in total (with all the extras) £10,250 and I’m getting 69.2 MPG out of it. Really enjoyed your review
Thanks for sharing and I’m glad you enjoyed.
Cheers, Michael
Hi Roger. How many extras did you buy for your Hornet? £3251 of extras? I rode it a few months ago and really liked it. Felt it was a bit flighty at higher speeds. (That may be down to tyre pressures, possibly). I ended up buying a 919 hornet instead, for a lot less. Enjoy your bike 👍👊✊
@@arryt3912 yes that’s about what I put on the bike extra to the sales price
Congrats on a good decision. I would have picked the Hornet but learned that Honda has no plan to bless America, so I bought my new 790 Duke and love it.
I think the Suzuki is a tremendous value; I'd love to see what it can do with clip-ons, suspension mods, brembo brakes, and power mods.
the austrian magazine 1000PS tested a very recent cup version of the bike and apparently its veery capable and seems impressive by the looks of it. Its on youtube aswell you can look it up if you dont mind not understanding whats said.
I ended up buying the Hornet.
I test rode the mt07, Hornet, sv650, and kawa 650. The 8s wasn’t out yet and I have read to much about KTM and people having problems with them, plus like you said it’s built in China now.. I will never buy a new motorcycle that’s built in China.
I really liked riding the sv650, it felt really comfortable and sounded gorgeous with the Yosi pipe and I couldn’t complain about anything, but I felt it was just a old bike with new paint.
The Kawa just isn’t me, the way it looks and I absolutely hate the sound of it. Rides fine just underpowered.
I really really liked the mt07, I love the look and sound, but it’s a harsh ride and the seat is really hard compared to the others.
I ended up buying the Hornet because it was the one with most power and comfort.. I am honest I absolutely hate the look of the Hornet. It looks boring and like the 500 and I never liked the look of that either.
If they could put the Hornet motor in the mt07 and put another suspension in, I would be 😍
I am a new rider, but I can feel what you are talking about on the Hornet wenn pushing it in corners. I do love how easy it is to flick into corners though.
I bought the yellow one, it’s a lot nicer irl. The red color on the black and white Hornet. I hate that color cause it makes the bike look cheap..
Thanks for the detail and I hope you’re getting on well with the Hornet. As with all these things, they don’t tend to be a forever purchase.
You are right especially the red and white one it looks super cheap when compared to the gun metal one which I think that or the black and red are the best looking. Other than that stickers might be the way to go for the hornet
Great choice for picking yellow hornet.
My 2019 Suzuki Katana is my best naked bike. Character, best Gixxer engine ever, easy maintain, reliable & best value for money and finally something so different to this lot.
just bought the 2024 suzuki gsx-8s. the katana was what i was also highly debating on getting, I just cant get past the two blocky rectangle headlights
@@baileyberry4370I'm still new to the motorcycle world, but my suzuki mechanic rightly said that if you ride many miles, a middleweight bike will be a lot cheaper to run.
the katana is weird looking, in my country almost 50% more expensive than 8s, heavier and more fuel demanding...mire is not always better for everyone. Horses for corses
Suzuki for me kTM are a rip off expecting you to pay out for extras,
Great comparison 👏
It’s a very fair point and one I hope came across in the film.
Just so I've got this clear do ktm already have things built into the bike but you have to pay to unlock them?
@@davewestsk8yes
@@bennettsbikesocial It was certainly mentioned but did you mention the cost of the KTM as tested as distinct from RRP? And the Honda and Yamaha for that matter since both of them had the quickshifter added. The only one tested as standard was the Suzuki. The Suzuki also has a three year warranty which the others don't and it's extendable to 7 years or 70,000 miles at no extra cost as long as you keep it dealer serviced. Of course Suzuki can offer this knowing it's going to be reliable, unlike your winner!
European bikes are for people with deep pockets. Japanese bikes are for those on budget.
It's funny, i just looked it up, the GSX8S and hornet are both 100000 dkr here in denmark :-) exv 11500 pound
Denmark has heavy tariffs on imports.
@@A-FrameWedge only on vehicles. It's a luxury tax 😉
The Suzuki has proven to be a monster when tuned and upgraded with a better air box and full exhaust. 2WDW is getting 88 whp (around 100 bhp) with the said mods. The actual throttle position is also completely murdered in the higher rev’s on the Suzuki. A tune fixes the issues…
790 had all of the electronics standard when it was more expensive, and likely wasn't made by cfmoto.
It’s only £200 more expensive if you spec it to the equivalent of the original. Not too bad if you think about how much inflation there has been since 2018
Great review. I think I would prefer the KTM 790. But not trusting KTM to be reliable I went with the Suzuki. Love the low to mid range. Would like a little more pull on top. Hopefully an ECU flash will solve that. Oh and Yohimura to solve that tail section.
Being the Suzuki just came out and is an econo model , the KTM is the safer bet on reliability
@@jake88ci no not really how it works.
@@jake88ciNot a chance. KTM is known for dodgy reliability and being made in China definitely isn't going to change that. Suzuki, on the other hand, is consistently reliable and the fact that the engine is pretty mild should help.
@jridenour31 yes but cf moto are offering a 4 year warranty on their bikes which shows they think reliability shouldn't be too much of an issue, also if ktm were having lots of issues cf moto would end up loosing the contract so I doubt reliability, other than the usual ktm niggles, is going to be a problem just because it's built in China
@jridenour31 Just pointing out that KTM has been quite reliable the last few years. As long as they keep it up, KTMs being unreliable will be more meme than reality
I can never get on with orange bikes... they're just so ugly... that suzuki is a bit sexy though
Since I am short and have a 28" (711mm) inseam, I often end up preferring motorcycles like the Hornet that finish low in these comparisons because they feel cramped for the larger testers. I am embarrassed to admit that it took me a very long time to realize why I didn't like the winners from tests like this. Too tall. I like KTM's, but they are all too tall for me.
FWIW, I know how to slide off the seat and use the "one foot down" or "single cheek" technique. It was fine when I was young, but I am now old and stiff enough that I prefer not to do it.
Thanks for the note, we have a ‘Top Tips for shorter riders’ video coming soon. Filmed with a 5’3” lady and 5’6” chap, both experienced riders who offer all sorts of techniques and thoughts. Keep an eye out!
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks. I want to mention that it is indeed helpful when the testers give their heights like you did in this video. That provides some context when you talk about ergonomics.
Inseam lengths are also useful, since I have known "short torso" people my height whose legs were considerably longer.
Same here. I went and sat on the KTM and the Suzuki and while I wanted the KTM to be the right answer, as a short rider (5'5'') the Suzuki just felt better. If the Hornet was in the US, I feel like I may have liked that, but I'm happy with the suzuki! Good info guys.
Have you ever had a look at (or sat/rode) a Triumph street triple 765 RL or L? (L stands for factory lowered)
@@undinism69 I have not had the opportunity. No dealers close enough to "just drop by" while doing errands. Judging by their website the "L" would have a seat height of 31.4" which might be fine.
I'm glad that Triumph makes lower seat options available on some of their models, though.
All these bikes are good but I've ordered the Honda (with quick shifter and heated grips) as it suits my needs and I found it hard to fault when I had a test ride. It's got an exciting engine, a good ride and it's tremendous value for money.
I wouldn't buy the 790 Duke as it's made in China, and I wouldn't buy the Suzuki as I don't like it's looks and its ride could be too firm.
At the end of the day fortunately we're spoilt for choice!
I've owned a couple of KTM's (LC8's). I've ridden many other KTM products, small, mid-size, and dirt. All are fun. No question. All feel well sorted in suspension and ergonomics. All engines have felt lively and charismatic. However, I hear people talking about these Chinese assembled KTM's. A bit concerning. I'm not concerned by a KTM built by CF Moto. I'm concerned with the KTM product in general. Go and find an Austrian made KTM with quality looking switch gear and plastics... they don't exist. Also, you talk to anyone who works at a KTM dealership and ask how many warranty claims they have on modern bikes. I'll probably own another Kato because they are just more fun compared to the other major brands. But would I rely on them like I would a Japanese manufacturer? Not at this stage.
Hiw many return trips to the dealership will the KTM require, compared to the others???
0 so far for me
owned 2x790 Duke 2018 and 2020
Engine replacement, electrical problems, battery problems, coolant leaks, oil leaks, paint peeling.
These reviews are near enough useless if reliability isn't taken into account.
Never ever KTM again.
"The Honda struggles a bit, visually." I do appreciate dry understatement.
I wish we had the same prices here in Denmark. Yamaha - 95k, Suzuki and Honda - 100k and the KTM IS 120k. I would choose the Suzuki from new and KTM as second hand. Great vid 👍
A few years back I was looking into getting a nice new KTM 1290R.
I saved my pennies, waited for the new model year to come out and popped to the dealer.
Most of the paperwork done and he came out with "would you like any extras" - I had already got some of the power parts and the Akra in mind so said yes.
The next thing he said was "would you like to add the (can't remember the name) pack" which was to unlock wheelie control, rear abs defeat and a couple of other things.
Long story short I said thats a deal breaker and he tried to call my bluff by saying he couldn't do anything about it.
I walked and two days later he called to say he could get it thrown in as "goodwill".
I declined and haven't been back since - nor will I while they continue the ridiculous practice of trying to charge extra to digitally unlock things which are already on the bike and have already had all the cost and development paid.
On where they are built - it makes no difference apart from showing intent. If they are building in Japan or other places with high wages they are likely going for quality over price. If they are going to Thailand they are looking for a price cut and my Thai built Honda certainly isn't up to the quality of my Japan built ones - not bad but there are noticable differences in quality.
Made in China got a bad name for a reason because the early Chinese built bikes were terrible. I've been to the WK and CF Moto stands at the NEC along with the usual 125cc ones and the general trend seems to be poor welds, uncovered wiring, things not quite lined up properly and really cheap materials.
Obviously not all are like that but its certainly a gamble.
Anywhere can produce bikes of the same quality but when they do they tend to cost a similar amount.
The exeption is when there are subsidies such as state ownership and infrastructure investment. If you need to be told why thats a bad thing when there is a dictatorship in power just ask the workers.
You make some solid points with rational thinking instead the usual "fan-boy" thinking that goes on here....thanks.
You're doing the world good by refusing that B/S dlc unlockable crap!
Wanted a second bike to use around the country lanes so test rode the Hornet and S8 back to back 3 weeks ago and bought the S8. I felt the engine was better, had more grunt, none of these bikes need to be screamed on the public road so having the power low and mid range is far better for me than screaming it!! and I felt the quality of the Suzuki was better than the Honda which had a swing arm that looks like it was off a 125!! and the sub frame join to the rest of the frame also looked cheap compared to the S8 which is a far better looking and practical addition. With regards to value, some people are missing something... The Hornet gets a 2 year warranty so to get it with the same 3 year warranty as the S8 costs an extra £250, the quick shifter £260 so its nowhere way above the Hornet as some suggest.. The other thing that is far better than all the others is if you keep the Suzuki serviced every year you get a renewed FULL Suzuki warranty each year for up to 7 years FOC!!! Had 2 KTM,s a 1290 Adventure and a 390 Duke, both played up and I got rid so never again....My wife had a 390 Duke and that played up too!
What do you mean by "played up"?
Good morning, front fork seals leaked, engine oil leaks horn stopped working, indicators stopped working, all within 1200 miles!@@spartanx169x
@@spartanx169x just a guess but I think he means reliability problem.
@@spartanx169x POS, literally. A piece of sheeeet. Typical KTM quality control. And then, gee whiz, let's produce our bike in china-land, because our products don't have a big enough reliability black-cloud hanging over our head already.......stupid is as stupid does.
I had a feeling, that is what the real world would choose
I'd like to see the exact same review after 25,000 KM
The ktm wouldn’t be here then
@@Snotroggel453I’ve seen plenty of ktm’s last longer than that.
@@Stanley88845Several meters longer. 😂 They are crap bikes. But you can get lucky and get one that works even if they are pretty rare.
@@Sunrazor over 75% of ktm owners in the groups I'm in have had a faultless experience
@@Stanley88845only 75% 🤣🤣
Couldn't sleep tonight so I thought I would watch this to help me. I have now watched it and I'm still awake. I found it very interesting as I own a new Hornet and love it. I agree with most of what you said but for me I had 7 grand to spend and the Hornet was the only one that came in at that price. I sold a 390duke to buy it and did try the 790 a few years ago but wasn't blown away by it at the time. Not sure why. I've owned loads of bikes and the Hornet is as much fun as any of them on the road. I also think it's got loads of bottom end power. I'm surprised it didn't come out on top to be honest after you said it was cheapest, sounded the best, steered the quickest, had a great quick shifter, the most storage and the biggest tank for better range. I'm quite small so fit it well and love the dash which has 4 different layouts to choose from. I do agree it can get out of shape a bit at speed and it's not the best looking of the bunch but better looking than the MT07!! Anyway a great review of 4 fantastic machines and no the triumphs being triples shouldn't have been included in this test I don't think but I would like to see a test between the Hornet and the new CFmoto 800nk as they're both 7 grand. Also the 790duke and the CFmoto 800nk as they share the same engine.
Great, balanced comparison. I haven't ridden any of these but would consider them as a second bike. I think I'd go for the Suzuki on looks and low down grunt. I always like the idea of a KTM but would I own one? Probably not. I've heard too many horror stories about reliability issues. Maybe a Chinese built one will be better though! Despite being a Yamaha owner I think the MT07 has had its day. I like the Hornet in red and white but I've seen it and strikes me as too small.
An hour of pleasure.
And that doesn't happen often at my age, now.
Great to hear the great voices of modern motorcycling.
Ride safe, happy travels 👍
Really enjoyed that.......appreciate your efforts guys!!!
Too me, it's important that something is made in the country you'd expect it to hail from. Sadly, for example, some brands like Harley and Triumph each like to lean heavily on their 'proud' respective American and British roots, but then go and have certain models made in Brazil, India and Thailand. To see a foreign manufactured Triumph emblazoned/plastered with the British Union flag just makes me cringe. To my mind, that's a combo of cheating at best, and deception of the customer at worst.
I will be buying a hornet,I personally like the looks, originally I thought the white but changed my mind to the grey one.
I ve just did the same m8! Grey FTW!!!
The KTM looks awful, has not the best reputation for reliability, looks too aggressive and there are no KTM dealers anywhere near me. The Honda looks too small and bland. The yamaha I also don't like the looks of (and I love my 2011 yamaha xj6, so I'd really want to love the yam, but don't), so it would have to be the suzuki for me, but it's far from perfect, too much money and there are loads of other, second hand bikes, I'd rather have instead. It would have been great to get a pillion opinion, or just a bit of information on the perches as, when I'm not commuting, 90% of my riding is done 2 up...
the differences in pricing here (greece) is so weird and really changes the 'rating' of the bikes when thinking what to buy...
hornet is 8.750e (7.545ukp) here and 7.000ukp in the uk, but
mt-07 is 8.100e (6.985ukp) here and 7.510ukp in the uk
the duke starts at 8.500 pounds here instead of 8.000
and the suzuki has ~ the same price, 8.018pounds
if you compare the duke vs the "pure" version of the mt-07 (old dash, not the colour tft) that is 430pounds cheaper, its 6.500 vs 8.500 pounds, which really makes a difference...
in regards to price, the yammy is the cheapest at $8200 in the US, the suzuki is 8850, and the ktm is a whopping 9200. (the hornet is not available in the US) incidentally, the sv650 is still available and is only 7400. and still an absolutely excellent bike.
they mention the handlebar angle being adjustable... the ktm says it actually has four positions on the triple clamp for the handlebar mount. i don't think i've ever seen that on any other bike.
another bike nobody talks about in this class is the gsx-s750. it's only $8650 and has about 98hp, 54ftlbs. the most recent review i could find was from 2015, but there are two dealerships near me that have at least one in stock for 2023. though in terms of modern, this model is not.
regarding fuel capacity, my sv650 will easily go another 10 miles after the screen says zero miles remaining. and that's with spirited riding. but my z900 on the other hand won't even show figures that low, it stops showing a number under like 15. but if you count it out, it's usually right on the money. 15 miles later, you had better already have stopped because that's the absolute max you'll get even with gentle riding. so each manufacturer, and maybe each model, should be range checked when you buy it, so that you know what the dash numbers mean.
Which naked is the best? The Triumph is the best! Speed Tripple FTW!
I normally really, really enjoy videos by you guys because I can listen to them and watch them interchangeably throughout but this one was long and there were too many “this one and that one, whereas that one trumps these ones…..”, to the point where I gave up. I have no idea which bikes they were talking about without looking at the video just to see them pointing to the one they were referring to.
Great video but I'm not sure why anyone would buy one of these over a low mileage second hand MT09 for a similar price. Keep up the great work.
Why would anyone buy a second hand mt09 over any second hand, higher cc naked bike like a gsxs1000, mt-10, tuono, superduke?
@@HeyAddieImTojo That is a great point actually. The only reason for me at least is insurance costs on 1000cc bikes were quite hefty as I'm a relatively new rider. The Mt09 didn't come in at much more than the mt07 when looking for my first big bike.
@@therealquaid1694 Dude, same here😂 i almost finished a deal on a cbr1000 a couple years ago. It would have cost me 2 months pay (before taxes and all) to get it insured for a year.
But in all honesty tho you are pretty spot on. Mt09 has a great engine both powerwise and characterwise, for the street
It is so good to watch 4 guys talk sense about motorcycles. I know all the terminology and appreciate the time you have put into making this film.
I just wouldn't have a parallel twin if it was free. I did win the NMM's 2018 Winter Raffle and just couldn't bare seeing it in my garage too long.
I am a single and four cylinder engine nut, two stroke and four.
All the best.
Reliability go Suzuki. KTM can't trust their cams
Suzuki and Honda will be bulletproof, as will the Yamaha, KTM reliability an issue
Hi, great video,
I’ve been biking for 40 years. Had a nasty crash over the winter which wrote off my z900 2019. I wanted something lighter as I’m still recovering from the broken leg, shoulder etc.
Test rode the hornet in April then the KTM straight after. Rode the KTM twice as far on the demo before I headed back. In April they had 3.9% finance & free quickshifter so I ordered a KTM, got it later that month. 3000 miles later it’s a great bike. You pointed out the better motor & suspension, it just seemed a better bike all round. I rode the Yamaha a few times after launch but couldn’t face the poor standard suspension. All the best guys 👏😎👍🏍
Thanks for your input and I’m glad you’re ok after the Kwak off.
As some have already mentioned, the new 790 Duke is down on power compared to the first model (95bhp compared to 105bhp) and doesn't have all the same tech and quickshifter/blipper as standard. It's also made in China now. I owned a 2020 original model and while a good bike it had several issues...leaking sprocket and thermostat housing, rust appearing on the engine block after 9 months of mainly dry non winter use, bike cutting out on downshifts. Hopefully, these things have been rectified
I wonder what is different if anything hardware wise for that power loss or if it is fuelling/mapping. If so, for someone not interested in A2 you could tune that back to full power pretty easily. What can also be done is fuel it richer to solve the issue you mention with stalling on downshifts. This is down to them being super-lean from factory to meet emissions standards.
just curious ... how did you manage to get rust on an alloy engine block?
@MotoGoato A good question and one I put to ktm. Only to be told their warranty didn't cover wear and tear. There was definite bubbling starting around the headers where the top end meets the bottom end
@@TheeMisterspain ahhh I see, ok .. bit of oxidisation forming under the paint by the sound of it. You got a little unlucky there .. my 2019 790 shows no signs of any corrosion or rust anywhere, even all the bolt heads (usually the first to go) are still good. Have used a fair bit of ACF-50 and TC-200 protectants on it since new though, seems like those must be helping.
Yup, it's the dubious reliability of the KTM that's stopped me buying one.
I've had 2 Ktm 790 Dukes, first one brand new in 2021, I returned under warranty to dealership after 300km, leaked oil from 3 different parts of cylinder head and second one they gave me I had since then, lasted until now at 5500km before same leak appeared and counter shaft leak. Very fun bike, rides like no other but never ever anymore! Out of warranty and prepare 2k$ to fix it!!
Thx for this information 🙏🏻
Thanks for that 👍
Weird, Duke 790s are made by CFMoto, they should have been more reliable lol.
I'm sorry, but you can't just put aside a 1100 pound difference in a comparison between budget oriented motorcycles, thats just daft.
Keep saying that I bought the Hornet as I wanted a budget middleweight. I didn't really want to give more than 7 grand. If I wanted the best middleweight I wouldn't look at any of these. Price should be a top consideration with these machines.
@@paulfowler6665 Yeah exactly, featuring budget middleweights and disregarding their price differences when they're as large as 1100 is idiotic.
Thanks for the review guys, these multi bike shows are always a great watch and much appreciated.
Really happy the riding position was spoken about with various peoples heights and what not. Always gets missed. Gives people great information when a test ride is not always available
The best one is not even here Street Triple 🤔🤷🏻♂️🤫
It has three-cylinders and much more power! Ok, so we didn’t title this ‘the parallel twin test’ but the emphasis was partly on that layout because the Honda and Suzuki are completely new bikes that happened to be twins.
I agree, I’d opt for the StTrip if it were my money but the spec sheet suggests it’s a step up from these four.
@@bennettsbikesocial appreciate the reply I was just being a smart arse as I have the Triple just ignore me 👍
I live in the USA, and I wouldn't choose KTM due to upkeep. Honda and Suzuki would be both my picks depending on rider height, weight, and comfort. Yamaha is nice, I have one, but is outdated and not completing enough for the price.
Makes more sense to compare the Yamaha to the displacement class, rather than price class. From that perspective, I'd say the Yamaha has gotten to be nearly the most expensive in its class, rather than comparing it to the 750cc twin class and saying the Yamaha is the most de-contented of the 750 class.
I'm also USA. The GSX-8S is a wonderful machine, took it on demo not long ago. I've ridden a pile of bikes over the years, owned stuff from 70hp to 150 hp with all cylinder configurations. The 8S is not in the 650-690 class of bikes and neither was it supposed to be, rather, it's right up there in the well-rounded mid range, with a good helping of modern hardware to keep it fresh going forward.
No idea if Honda will bring the Hornet over.
I’ve only ridden the mt-07 but just looking at the specs I think the Honda deserves more even though it doesn’t have the best looks ultimately it sounds the best, performs well, super reliable and very affordable.
I would buy the Honda even though my heart is set on inline 4 engines
Yep it's ugly no desire not my type
You can't just look at the specs and say the Honda should be ranked higher. The MT07 is behind in everything. 0-60 between the 8S, Hornet, and Duke are almost identical and 0-100 are pretty close. The 8S and Duke outhandle the Hornet and have a better power curve for a naked street bike. The only things the Hornet beats them at is top end and price.
For me it's a no brainer. The Duke 790 is nimble, powerful, torquey, light, good looking and well equipped (although the screen looks a little dated). Even if it's a little more expensive, I would sooner buy a low km, second hand Duke 790 over any of the others. The Honda sounds like it's a really good bike but jeez, its just so uninspiring! The design is so boring and especially the engine castings. The KTM has an awesome looking engine with beautiful and purposeful details all over it which for me is a big deal. The Honda engine looks CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP which is a real shame because it sounds like it's actually a good engine. Also the CB650R engine looks great so why couldn't Honda bring over some of that engine design to the CB750? I'm guessing it was budget. They cut corners and as a result, it's crossed off the list for me. The GSX8S looks decent too. Nice screen, good switch gear, torquey engine but I want it to be exciting to rev out when I get the opportunity and it sounds like the 8S is more of a torquey cruiser so it kind of crosses itself off the list. Also I'm not in love with the design. Lastly the MT07. I used to own the LAMS (power restricted 655cc version for the NZ & Aus market) of the MT07 and it was a decent bike but the suspension is floppy. It's comfy but as soon as you get spirited in the corners, it bounces and wallows around. Upright forks on a 2023 bike? C'mon Yamaha. The engine looks nice with good details and castings so it gets points from me there and the styling is decent but still no ride by wire, still no traction control... I think it's due for an overhaul with better suspension and traction control. So yeah, basically the Duke 790 is the only one that actually ticks all of the boxes and there are tonnes of lightly used second hand models on the market so it's a no brainer! I'm still saving though so maybe by the time I have the money, there will be more options to consider.
53:10 - I have to say, my 8S returns between 65-70mpg. I would happily bet that if I put my key in the ignition and turned to the average mpg right this second, it would be high 60s. So I’m not sure how you manage 48ish? Maybe you guys are heavier and more throttle-hungry than I, (I’m about 80kg and ride slightly enthusiastically most of the time).
Yes and I think we caveated by mentioning how we rode on this test.
Totally with you. I can get the claimed figure from my SV650, (74mpg for the 2018 model I have), while most people get under 60. I am confident I'll get the 67mpg claimed for the GSX-8S when I get it next year. I just try to ride smoothly and mostly within legal limits - I guess many people think that's boring but I do over 10,000 miles a year and pay for my own fuel! And I enjoy my riding! Thank you for confirming the claimed economy is possible.
I think the reason why the Hornet might feels like a smaller bike is due to the level of the tank and pilon seat. Since You’re not sitting “on top of” but rather “in” the bike you have a feeling of being relatively low (which is only emphasised by the seat height, which is pretty low).
Once again I have to say, I love this style of. review, really digs into the nitty gritty of the bikes, and from different perspectives. Great stuff 😊
This has to be the best review of these bikes, well done lads
The KTM is now made in China that’s why it’s cheaper now vs 2018
Thanks for helping me narrow down middleweight contenders - 600 miles into KTM 790 Duke ownership has be thinking no street machine could possibly be more satisfying.
haven't ridden any of them and the Hornet isn't even available near me so this was just neat to listen to :)
MT -07 + MT - 09 🔥 YAMAHA
My gf rides her MT-07 on about 2.9 litres/100km. It's a bulletproof engine that is darned fun. The Honda engine is rattling, clutch arm squeaks and it sounds terrible in comparison. Have the Transalp 750 myself and I hate the bike. It's going out the door tomorrow.
The KTM is not even close in quality. It's simply inferior. Time, statistics and users have shown that. Suzuki looks weird but I am sure it's a well working bike.
then you've got a melon because mine is 100% solid!
Will they bring the HONDA HORNET to the USA ?
The 790 is made in China. You can't go wrong purchasing one of the other three.
The Suzuki tail tidy is already a thing TST INDUSTRIES
Suzuki any day!
I'd put it this way, if you own a dependable motorcycle already and are looking for a second bike that will offer you peak performance and aggression get the KTM. However if it is going to be the only bike in your garage take your pick out of the other 3.
I wanted the KTM, had several test rides thru some twisties ... then i rode the Suzuki thru the same twisties - Put my money on the 8S that same day !!! 😅❤
I chose the Honda. I drove 9000 km with it this year. I'm completely satisfied.
How tall are you ? Im looking at this bike , I'm 185cm/ 6'1" and its hard for me to make difference between the position on the hornet and mt07
@@janmegatron I can imagine that very well. I am 1.70 m tall and weigh 69 kg. The Hornet fits me perfectly. But at 1.85 m tall I would look for a travel enduro. Yamaha Tracer or Honda Transalp
That was brilliant. Please do the same for the category above. Mt09, Street Triple, Monster, 890
That Yamaha is the only bike that is remaining pure without all those electronics BS. 😍
Suzuki or Honda and last Yamaha as Quality
It’s great that there are so many good middle weight naked to choose from. I think I like the Suzuki best personally (but haven’t ridden the Honda or KTM!)
Look the 2008 naked BKing hyabusa had no rider aids other then mode B and 15 year old tyre technology.these aids are good for a v4 Ducati but a 100hp twin,not sure
Personally I prefer the 4 cylinder naked Suzuki middleweight. In the US, it is a couple hundred dollars less than the 8S too.
The wrenching aspect of the KTM is what kept me away from it. Yamaha is the most dated of the 4, but it's also the most reliable, and that matters a lot to me. I love the Suzuki as well. I can't fairly grade the Honda because I don't like how it looks.
i dont get your logic though honda is as reliable as yamaha
and while hornet is not a looker but mt07 is just hideous looking thing
Personal preference. I can't stand the sight of the Hornet. Not a fan of the Suzuki styling either. @@medsedled
Easy answer… Triumph
The KTM is a disposable bike, poor dealership network and extremely poor build quality in the long run. A real hit or miss bike to own. My 1290 super adventure s 2023 lasted 6 months from new 3.5 months it was in the garage, you name a part and it failed. Rear cylinder head gasket was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Just get the MT07 the absolute hooligan bike ❤
But no usd forks and lowest power and the price of £7.5k when in 2014 a MT-09 was only £7k.
This video is a godsent to me, I love how you have several riders testing all bikes and comparing both the specs as well as the feel. I'm looking for my first bike and these 4 are the exact ones I was seriously considering. And a lot of the arguments in my head were logic vs. emotions, which didn't make it easier. But it seems that the emotional side had the right instinct. If the test ride confirms my choice I shall take a Suzuki home, thank you guys!
15kg less and 10 hp more and suzuki would be perfect. Anyway seems the best choice at this price. Ktm probably more fun but don't think it s too reliable... Suzuki seems a better quality bike.. It s even the more beautiful of them.
Anyone that bought any of the other three bikes and absolutely love them should thank Yamaha. If it wasn’t for the mt07 the other three wouldn’t exist. Even though I have a 2022 mt07 I think all of us benefit from having so many naked twin to choose from that are so good that it’s hard to choose one over the others. I kinda like the hornet but the fact is that the deciding factor for me getting the Yamaha is the lack of electronics on it.
Live in the US (Alaska)....currently own an 03 CBR600RR. Tried to find the CB750 Hornet...unfortunately....they do not sell that here in America - only the CB500F.....Come on Honda!!!! Get with the times!!!
Really compelling format; the similar test you did a couple of years ago with the Tiger 900, Tracer GT etc is still in my favourites list. I find the group of you (who consist of most of my favourite roadtesting bike gurus in one…. barn? Partly-completed garage?) in discussion far more informative and engaging than one reviewer standing by a bike reading a list of specs. I’ll caveat that by saying that I DO enjoy more conventional road tests/launch reports and understand that this format must take a lot of organising, coordinating schedules and logistics but when you can do them, I will definitely pay attention, even if I’m not that interested in any of the bikes being reviewed. Which is the case here, though I’m being tickled by the idea of the KTM’s slightly bigger brother as a track bike. So thank you quite a lotly, please keep them coming and if you could do a similar gig for the next-level up nakeds/semi-najeds such as KTM 890R, Triumph Street Triple RS, Aprilia RS660/Tuono 660 Factory, that’d be super
Thanks Mr D, it's our pleasure to be able to make this kind of content, and to have the likes of Simon, Martin and John contribute so cohenrently and with great experience was a privilege. We're always open to ideas and I'm working on creating a 125cc commuter group test at the moment.
All the best, Michael
I'm not sure they the bikes would have come out in the same order if "time spent back at the dealership" was a category.
Don’t think a 600ish CP2 is even comparable to these bigger bikes, the category has shifted, but for a small twin, with the right zaust it does a great 600 Monster impression, such a lively and low inertia motor and proper analogue throttle.. love mine in my wee XTribute scrambler, hate look of all of these,,, but look forward to the Husky version of that KTM 😎