The whole "bunch of friends chatting about their bikes" vibe is honestly the best way to review bikes. The conversation format instead of presentation really made this an excellent video. Crossing fingers for the 2024 CBR650R to come to the States soon!
You are hoping for the CBR650r to make its way down there to the USA, while up here in Canada, I was hoping the Honda CBR600rr was going to make its way here. Alas, its available every where else, except in Canada because this joke of a country is ram full of Karens that don't want you having fun.
As one of the creators of this video (I'm Simon H, hello) I'd like to comment on the thing a few people have commented on: how we came to a different conclusion to MCN and their test of the same bikes. We know the MCN guys very well, and they're absolutely top, top riders with a lot of road testing experience. They're also our friends and colleagues, so there's no rivalry or any of that old nonsense (but don't tell Carl I said he's a good rider or I'll never hear the end of it 😆). So here's the thing: facts are facts - that's objective stuff like power, weight, handlebar, seat and footpeg positions, spec levels. All good. Then you get the subjective stuff, and that's about opinion. And, as we know very well, everyone has their own. The whole point of the four of us sitting around talking about it for 40 mins is to showcase our different opinions - all these bikes are great for different riders and different reasons. We just try to show that. If I prefer the Honda, it's just my opinion, not a fact. If MCN prefer another bike, that just their opinion, not a fact. Both are valid. We give our reasoning in the video, I hope, for forming our opinions. MCN, in their video, give theirs. Just because they're different doesn't make either wrong! Specifically, when we talk about suspension, there's something to bear in mind. MCN's testers are, mostly, pretty slim, petite, sexy fellas. We, on the other hand, are a bunch o' big ole fatties. Also, some of the roads we rode on are substantially bumpier than the roads MCN used - that's not a criticism of either of our test routes, just the geography of where we did our testing. So I reckon when it comes to suspension what happened was we put a more extreme load through all the bikes, from both ends. And we felt the Suzuki's set-up - whether the internals are different or it's sprung at a different rate to the other bikes - was less controlled with our size, roads, and riding than the other bikes. I would suggest that if you ride hard on bumpy roads and you weigh 14 stone, you'll find different things about all the bikes' suspension than if you ride hard on smoother roads and weigh 11 stone. When it comes to the Daytona 660 and whether it rides tail-heavy or not - again, that's a subjective comment. I'm fairly sensitive to bikes that have a rearward weight balance - I'll be the first to be jacking preload up at the back to try and get more weight on the front. As well as this test, I've ridden the 660 all over Wales and I'm perfectly happy with the way it steers. But again, that's just an opinion. If MCN have a different opinion, it's not because one of us is wrong - again, it's because we're different human beings. I hope that explains how we came to have a different order of preference for the bikes in the test to MCN. Right, I'm off to eat another doughnut. Aye.
@@writestuffmedia very well said. The only problem is that the logical conclusion of this is that you and your colleagues’ views are not reliable predictors of what punters will prefer because we’re all different human beings. If the bikes being tested are all essentially equal it then just becomes random as to which prevails. What matters is the consensus. For example it’s hard to find a comparison involving the tracer 9 against its rivals where it doesn’t come out on top. In fact it’s hard to find someone to say a bad word about it other than looks and maybe wind buffeting for taller riders. It begs the question what is the point of reviewers if their conclusions don’t reliably point to the way a purchaser will also feel?
@@morri03 it's as it's always been - you find a reviewer with whom you have an alignment of opinion; whose judgement and preferences you feel you share. That's how I think when I'm watching RUclips reviews of other things.
Thanks for taking the time to write this message, Simon. I enjoy watching your videos and hearing your opinions, especially these comparisons and "what bike next." These are fun because it's like living vicariously and imagining buying a new bike. I think when it comes to choosing a new bike, you just have to go with the one that "speaks" to you, that you enjoy looking at and sitting on, even if it didn't win a comparison test. If a bike isn't quite perfectly set up for your weight or height, you can always set up the suspension, handlebars/rear sets, and seat. I think that is part of the fun--taking something that is mass produced and making it your own (with mass produced aftermarket parts, but you get the idea 😂).
Yes you are right preference is personal. My criticism of your review is that is too focused on your memory of supersports and not what these bikes really are, sporty looking every day bikes. It is fine to ride these bikes on A and B roads, revving them out to get the toppy horse power, but what are they like to actually own and ride every day. To commute for 45 minutes at varying speeds, none of them the national limit. To cut through traffic, lane split, do a quick pass at moderate speed. Torque is more useful than HP. The Honda is flat in the low and midrange. Being a four it is sluggish for every day riding compared to the others. Roll on at any speed and gear and it will lag, you need to drop a gear or wait. The Suzuki needs to be ridden differently. At low and medium revs it pulls away at like it is a bigger bike. If you pin the throttle and hit the quick shifter every time it gets to 7,000 rpm it actually accelerates very quickly, 0-100kph in 3.5 seconds, 1/10th of second faster than the Honda and Daytona respectively. Being practical and doing the maths how often could extract he maximum HP out of the Triumph and the Honda. After first gear you are over the speed limit and up a cog or two your licence is up for instant removal. You literally can not extract that 90+ bhp without travelling very quickly. You probably can not even get the reduced maximum torque in many gears. The Suzuki's 78Nm at 6800 rpm, with 80% at 4,000 rpm is available and usable. You just have lose your habit of riding a screamer and ride the torque curve instead. And the upright Suzuki is more comfortable than the Honda for riding to work every day or on a trip. Remember the suspersport is dead because not enough folk want to buy one. They have been killed by comfortable nakeds with better usable torque. Twins and Triples. Interestingly many first ride reviewer were disappointed with the handling of the Daytona, vague front end and soft rear. These include at least one quick English reviewer who calls himself a fatty. They cranked up the preload to try and get some feel. I have not ridden the Daytona but Triumph triples are legendary for a flat torque curve. Part of the demise of the smaller four is the triples with better torque and similar top end. John was clearly biased from the start, but overall I think first, you did not do a a review of these as every day ridable bikes and secondly you are showing your age. The small screaming four is dead. A bike with torque you can access at legal speeds in more than one gear are actually better to ride every day. For me the Suzuki has the best dash and controls, you are right the Triumph dash is a joke and controls average. You are also right, the Honda looks really great. The Suzuki is the most practical bike in a city by far with a comfortable position and grunt without revving like a boy racer. The Suzuki is on par with a Street Triple up to the speed limit (I have owned a 2020 Street Triple R and GSX 8S) , both quicker than a GSX S750 four at legal speeds unless you rev the GSXS like a motogp rider and the Street Triple and GSX 8R are more punchy than the Honda by far. Remember the GSX S750 and the Street Triple make 114 peak bhp. Only accessible within the law in first. The GSX 8R has the same torque but at 6,800 rpm vs 8,500. Finally, if that 90+ bhp is not accessible at legal and arguably safe speeds in any gear other than first, what message are you sending your audience?
Im a young 57 !! and own 2023 honda cbr650r , it makes me smile and when i look back its a wow. Well made and reliable and the cherry on the cake is the main dealer is a family run business and give me a first class service and they are literally around the corner from where i live.
I'm in your age bracket and had a cbr650r but felt it underpowered and lacking some quality in materials. Like a ninja would feel compared to a ZXR . I got my arse on a gsxr750 and got bewitched. I'll have to get riser clip-on to ger closer to the Honda handlebars that I really loved. But rhe engineering of the 750 is world appart. It IS a race bike made for the streets. It's lighter but feel more dense and solid than the cbr. And the engine.....fellas.....you have to try it. It's just the right power dor torque and the hidden beast that lies beyond 10k rpm is the added bonus at the end of your learning curve on the bike, when you knownit enough to go on track and use wit the way it was made for. I wish honda had put the cbr engine at around 100/110hp and they had became perfect. Gsxr750, I really pilot the machine, it's quite raw since it's a K8 model and I'm facing many challenges I didn't thought I'd have coming from 2 years on the 650. Go try one, it'll be at least a good memory.
I am near your age and have a CBR650R. I race cars but my bike is used for daily chores such as going to the store. First thing that sold me on the Honda was the 4 cylinder engine. The sound (I have the Akropovic exhaust) makes me giggle every time I rev the engine. Blipping the throttle for downshifts is ecstasy. I have done 400 mile rides on the Honda and it feels great. Couple that with the solid Honda engineering and there is nothing better out there for my needs. Yes it can use more power but it has enough to scare you and for street use, it is plenty. I also love the fuel economy (I get 50 mpg on the freeway) and love being able to use regular fuel since it does not require premium.
The Honda is a typical Honda solution, pretty much perfect for most things without excelling in any one thing. And it will carry on doing it forever . I agree with you folks.
The almost podcast-like format here is brilliant. The discussion much more interesting and important than the eventual conclusion. I'd consume hours and hours of this stuff.
49 and took delivery of a Daytona, love it and that engine is a gem, all day comfortable and fun when you want to ride like a 20yr old. Fueling is spot on, dash is actually ok in the real world. Good do everything bike
56, and just rode one a few hundred miles on motorway to Wales, round it round Wales on B-roads, and rode it home again on A-roads. Loved it. Comfy, cool, fast, fun, feisty.
I have a Suzuki 8S, and just test rode the 8R today, (back to back with my bike). I have to say - the 8R felt fantastic and I wish it had been released alongside the 8S as I would have gone for the R model. It had nice firm, plush suspension helping me get much more feedback from the tyres/ road; a more engaged, but not to wristy seating position, and was very, very confidence inspiring. Just as responsive and torquey an engine as the S and just as slick a quick-shifter. Negatives were, the steering is a tiny bit slower on these Suzukis owing to their long wheel base, but what you lose in lightness of steering, you make up on in the stability department. And it could do with a little bit more bark from the exhaust. But other than that - I would highly recommend test riding the 8R to anyone in the market for one of these bikes. (Edit) - age 42 and use my bike for commuting and the odd blast, adventure/ tour.
I stuck Michelin pilot power 2CT tyres on my 8s and steering is ultra light now, a bit too light to be honest. Use the same tyres on my CBR and find it more planted and stable.
I’m 60. I’ve owned 3 CBR650R s. I now have the 2024. I agree with everything that was said about it. The synopsis of the e-clutch was bang on. I’ve not ridden any of the others, it was great to get the broad perspective presented. I was not sure if I wanted to sit through a 25 minute bike review. However, the style of the way it was presented was compelling and engaging. As in the other comments. A few mates chatting about the bikes , in an informal, yet informative way. Well done.
Its so interesting to see different journalists rate the bikes. MSN the Honda was last and the Suzuki won. I personally brought a 24 CBR650R and love it. TBH mainly on looks alone! But the inline 4 is lovely. I get 150+ miles on a. tank with fun riding too. Totally agree about cockpit look and feel. I have the normal quickshifter as for me the bulge on the side upset the symmetry. You never mentioned that the Triumph is great looking at the front only, back is forgotten. They dont even paint it. Great review! Nice job. 50 years old and use it for fun dry riding :)
I hate the triumph’s fake frame, very cheap to look at. The tubular steel frame on the trident doesn’t look too bad and I reckon triumph doesn’t need to cover it with some cheap plastic to make it look more “premium” than it actually is.
Go for it as your first powerful bike. Ride around 3 years on it and then you'll see if you feel the need for something more . I really didn't like the engine and power delivery. Too tamed and assisted. I wanted to raw feeling of the machine working under me, hence why I got an old school K8 GSXR750.
I'm 49 and own a 2024 cbr650r, love it, I took a 600rr out at the weekend which was fun , sounded great, handling awesome etc but!! Was so glad to get back on my 650 after its first service and ride home in comfort
Im 51 and just sold my street triple 765 rs, which was a cracking bike but now jumped on a gsxr 1000, as i LOVE sportsbikes, gixxer is fantastic and im comfortable on the rocketship at 6'3" tall im over the moon with it, i just realised the gsxr is not similar to these bikes but thought youd like my input. Sports bikes still rule!!
Oh you should try a Fireblade 1000R to compare both top line sports bike!! I just got a nice K8 750 and I'm over the moon. I need 3' riser clipons as my lower back doesn't enjoy the 3h rides much.
I’m 44 and looking for a mid weight sports bike. I’ve been after the 650r. This was a great way to reinforce what I was thinking the bike would represent. It’s a great format with 4 mates talking bikes. Well done lads.
I'm liking this series and could listen to you guys talk about and compare bikes all day. Perfect length video for great discussion(s), keep them coming. Honda every chance I get.
Thanks very much. The detail, bike selection and format is all carefully considered with the aim of the game being to make the viewer aware of all the details - especially back-to-back. We really appreciate comments like this and will continue to use this format as a result! Cheers, Michael
I know the Aprilia Tuono 660 only has half a fairing, but in my neck of the woods it's in the same price ballpark as these 4 with good power and very nice suspension and brakes.
RS660 is my favourite, thats why I bought one! Second place to the CBR. I'm in my late 30's. But I have not ridden the Daytona 660 as was not released when I was looking. Thoroughly underwhelmed when i test rode the Suzuki and the Yamaha.
I have the 2022 CB650R. I thought about getting the CBR because it looks so good but I have lower back and neck problems so it made sense to get the CB and be more comfortable. Still love both of them though.
I'm 34 and have been commuting on an R7 for over a year. No complain! Its twin-cylinder power is more than enough for me to ride in the busy and chaotic traffic of the most complex city in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh City. The R7 looks beautiful and I receive lots of compliments from other people.
I’m about to turn 50yrs old and bought my first bike a new R7 couple of mths ago. Absolutely loving it. Yeah forcing me to lose more weight and hit the free weights. Need to fit into that one piece suit for my 50th in September. 10kg to go😂.
@@satoril928 I'm 62 and started a year ago as a beginner on the RS 660, which is a bit more powerful than the R7. Of course one needs to be quite careful with the throttle in the beginning, but all modern bikes are fairly easy to ride with good handling and brakes. I've done quite a bit of track riding this season so I feel like I'm up to speed and would now regret having anything less. I did test ride an RC 390 with the aim of having a cheaper track bike that wouldn't be a disaster if I crash it. Honestly it felt like a moped in comparison.
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 - Thank you so much for your response on this. Especially, coming from a fellow female rider. I've driven and tracked many race cars so I think I can handle the power and take it slow at first. Not being a spring chicken, I think I have the maturity to handle something high-powered. I was actually wanting to get an RS 457, before eventually getting on something like an RS 660 - maybe I'll just end up going the same route as you.
@@satoril928 Cool, I think your driving experience will help. One thing that’s a bit weird though is the electronics on the RS 660. In the “road” modes in first gear, it can intervene pretty extremely if you roll on the throttle too quickly or accidentally unweight the bike. I almost went over the handle bars a couple times because I was clumsy with the throttle or shifted my weight at the wrong time and got surprised by the electronics intervention. Best of luck with whatever you choose!
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 Thanks for the heads-up! That's something to consider and for any high powered bike I guess too - anything to avoid getting thrown off
Im a 19 year old from Australia, and after watching this video am convinced i made the right choice with the cbr (delays for us until september). The format of some mates with a good bit of experience chatting about the bikes was wayyyyy better than a couple young guys reading a brochure. I find it comical the cbr places last in alot of other comparisons, but i trust this comparison a lot more.
Sensible subjective comments, views, and opinions from mature, experienced riders, resulting in a very well balanced and credible discussion. I really enjoyed that, thank you guys!
Thanks so much for this test. The rider-triangle graphic is something that should appear in every test, but apparently only in yours. As a large fella (6'3" and 200#), the ergonomics of the Suzuki caught my eye. But the torque figures, which matter to me *way* more than HP, sealed the deal. I'm headed to the Suzuki dealer tomorrow.
In researching this class for a near-future purchase I have examined all four of these bikes. However, the one I seem to be leaning towards is the Aprilia RS 660. For a little more money you get cruise control, better electronics, Brembo brakes, and an available quick shifter. Perhaps, I'll change my mind after I ride them. A close second choice would be the Triump Daytona.
Super interesting discussion. As a late 40s owner of a cbr650r, I'm delighted to see it getting the love it deserves. It has the screaming 4 (add an Akra pipe!), is easy at low revs but shows its animal side when you put the hammer down, not uncomfortable. Bloody love it 😊 Thanks guys
I'm 60. Sports bikes aren't my thing, but if they were I'd buy the Suzuki. I can't do the gerbil coil body position required for the others, and the engine is as lazy as i am. If the biking demographic is 40 odd and older now, are there enough people to buy these? I haven't seen many on the road. Interesting watch. Ride safe 👍
In America the Suzuki is already popping up on Marketplace for sale. The CBRs even though have been out a few years are expensive used compared to others. The R7s are very plentiful on marketplace.
I love your comments on the e-clutch as I also had doubts about it. I love manual shifting but I currently have a quick shifter (got it in the hope that it would help smooth out the ride for my pillion, but that backfired on me). But as I get older, I do get sore hands and wrists occasionally, so this would be ideal for start stop riding on those days, leaving me with a manual for the day , times and rides that I want a manual… best of all worlds really…
I’m 65 and ride a 2023 Ninja 400. Looking for a middle weight 600 class and have decided on the Honda CBR650r with e-clutch, unfortunately I live in the United States and it’s not available here. Hopefully next year Honda will make it available here.
Sounds like Honda will, they often release bikes in North America last. They'd be fools not to have competitors in this class and the middleweight naked just as the class is exploding in popularity.
E clutch, is a brilliant move. Since starting my RUclips channel, I’ve gotten a lot of questions. Young people aren’t using clutches in cars. They are frightened of the clutch. Smart move Honda. They will sell a ton to new riders!
I'm 19, from Australia, put my deposit down on a 2024 cbr650r with the e clutch. Can't wait for the bike to get here, just gonna slap the cash down in full. Already got the gear and insurance lined up. Can't wait, thanks for the video last. I feel this is the sort of video that is lacking when people are researching their first (or first few bikes) where it has an analysis of the positives and negatives but also multiple opinions on it. The difference personalities and desires from each person towards what they want out of a bike makes for a great source of different perspectives. Only thing for me is I would have liked to see the Kawasaki Ninja 650 amongst these.
The CBR650R and the CBR500R are nothing except visually alike. The CBR500R is a piece of shit expensive bike. Weighs a ton, barely moves. The CBR650R is the fastest in the category, and the only 600cc i4 for sale.
@@joaomiguelgoncalvesdematos6135it's dated and beaten by the RS660 though. On track an R7 walks it too. The only real pro (and it's a big one) is its I4 engine 🫡
I have the CBR, while it's nice, screaming I4, and definitely quite comfortable, if I had to go back in time I'd get a used CBR600RR and adjust the grips to be more relaxed etc I'm glad Honda is keeping the CBR650R around as a middleweight screamer, but the newer version doesn't look as pretty and has less bronze than the 19' which I very much like
I’m 42, little over 7 stone and I’ve been riding the 2023 CBR650R for a couple of months, prior to that I had a CB500F. Both bikes are wonderful to ride, very smooth and responsive. The CBR just has a beautiful look to it, many a fellow rider admires it. I won’t lie, it’s a heavy beast to manoeuvre but once you’re moving it flows effortlessly.
42 and got the 2024 CBR650R as my first bike after passing my test on April. I did consider the 8R (and the 8S actually) and the 660, but the inline 4 won it for me. E-clutch a great addition, easy to ride all day, just a few vibes through the right hand.
Thank you so much for this quality discussion, a follower from Mumbai, India. It was difficult to make purchase decision but after watching this video going for “Triumph Daytona 660”. Needs more of these videos on all class! Thank you! 👍🏻
40 Years old and currently riding around on a 23 plate R7. Absolutely love it. With a full system and no baffle the noise is diabolical. MY only grips is the fuel tank really is too small. Every other short ride it needs filling up.
Just love these chat around the table videos. Simon’s categorising the bikes by rider age was interesting. You’re all experienced riders whose opinions matter in my estimation. More of the same please. 👍😉
Nice video, guys. I’m old (57), so I’m not into any of these bikes. But I’m a fan of watching you dissecting them with so much knowledge and sharp observations. Funnily enough I’m a fan of Michael Hargreaves since his funny front Ender times when he, replying to a question I put, boosted my confidence when I decided to buy a K1300R. I’ve been with that bike for 10 years. Had lots of fun on it. Just recently sold it, to buy a more modern one… maybe you can guess what it will be 😜
Great video and thanks for your fantastic in depth thoughts Simon, John, Martin & Michael. I’ve got a CBR650R 2023 model and love it. Much love from New Zealand 🇳🇿👍🏻
Triumph have been producing 660 (sleeved down 675’s) for the Australian and New Zealand markets as our learner (LAMS) regulations are a max displacement of 660 cc with a power to weight of 150kw/tonne (a bit more power than A2). They achieved this in bikes featuring ride by wire by having the ECU cut power at around 6,250. When derestriced, they were incredibly responsive all the way to around 12,000 rpm making about the same as the Honda with more torque in street triple guise.
The e-clutch will lower the barrier to entry for my partner. I am 49 and I own an R7 60th anniversary edition in North Carolina amongst other bikes. I 100% bought it for the styling and colour. Yeah the R7 is aggressive in position and a bit over on the wrists, but I am fit and can last around two hours on it before taking a break which I would do on other bikes to stretch legs anyway. I got close on 175 miles on my last tank taking it easy, but if I push it that will drop significantly...according to the on-board computer I average around 56 mpg ... Oh and it improved as clocked up miles and just short of 4000 miles ATM. The performance from the engine is fine, I will do some mods over time for a bit of extra pep but I feel like I can focus more on own my skill with it... also its great if just feel like a calm an not frantic ride. It's a great second or third bike if you looking for something that does not tear you arms off yet handles well..and I love mine ... She is a keeper.
I'm 50 and have daily ridden the R7 for the last 2 years. Love it. 20 extra horses wouldn't hurt but I think the handling (I have Ohlins forks and shock) is the bit that keeps it competitive on the street.
22 years of age, and absolutely love my Daytona. I also test rode the Suzuki and the Honda, but preferred the smooth ride, engine and accessories (oem crash protection, great quickshifter and pillion grab handles are lifesavers) of the Triumph
When I was 23 years old (a long time ago - use it wisely, it goes quick) the top sports 600 was the CBR600 F-N - made a dyno-tested 84bhp and cost £5291 - today's equivalent of £11,318 (!). It was one of the first bikes I road-tested for Performance Bikes magazine (those were the days). Today, the Daytona 660 costs £8595 (or £4018 in 1992 money) and makes a claimed 94bhp - so call it 86bhp at the wheel, or pretty close to the 1992 CBR600. So we get roughly the same bhp at something like 25% cheaper, plus all the modern advantages of electronics, weight balance, chassis design, suspension and braking, and tyres. Hm. Which one would I like in my garage? Don't ask me, ask a 22 year-old! 😁
As someone who owed a previous cbr650r I agree with the riding position, and the fact that in isolation the engine is beautiful. I do miss it, I used to tour on it too
Great format, 4 great opinions (loving your work). Not ridden all these (yet), but I did demo the Honda 600RR & CBR650R the other day. I had in my mind MCN’s verdict (no criticism of that esp given Simon H’s comment of here, I agree with all he says). The CBR was so comfortable & the 4cylinder so smooth & usable, even had the aesthetic GW (garage wood effect) for me too. I’m 51 & a newbie rider of 4 years, mostly adv bikes. Keep up the great content.
@@oliverleifadams2003 thanks very much , if you do end up trying all four or event the selection that takes your fancy, do let us know your verdict. Cheers, Michael
This seems like a sport touring midweight segment.. Nextup pls add supersport midweight segment that includes 2024 Kawasaki zx6r & 2024 CBR 600RR as well! 😍🔥
Early 40’s here, 8R without question is what I’d buy with my own money. I see these bikes as medium sized sport tourers (do everything). Comfort and fun is what makes you ride a bike more often. 8R to have maximum fun use the quick shifter early in the revs and it is excitingly fun to ride. To classify these as sport bikes like the inline 600 is off the mark. I really enjoy these comparisons. It’s great hearing the different view points.
I’m 21 and have just brought the new cbr650r with the e clutch for my first yr in full a license. I’ve had it for 2 months and done just over 2.5k miles on it and I love it. Easy to ride slow and when you want to have a bit of fun you can with easy im getting over 200 miles out of a tank My main problem is the mirrors like to move if you go over 100 But I think its an amazing bike to ride and the eclutch is amazing
Great reply, thanks for that. I had the smae issue with the mirrors... but I was only going 69mph :-) You should see if your local dealer can help fix them. Cheers, Michael
Was going to buy an R7 last year, but those ergos were too extreme for road use; grabbed a '23 GSX-R750 instead. That bike never gets ridden with less than half tank fuel just in case I need to run from the cops (kidding!). Picked up a '24 Ninja 650 and added the 30 mm taller Kaw accessory seat and ditched the horribly stiff Dunlop tires and found a great do-everything bike that CAN provide decent fuel economy when needed, but is light and fun to thrash too. When I added the '25 Daytona 660, I found a bike more in line with what I initially wanted; a great all-rounder similar to those great middleweights of the 90s (CBR600R F2, ZX-6, YZF600, etc.) I'll be 55 this month and treat these bikes like footwear for the day; what do I want to do and choose accordingly.
@@KrypteiaXi please search for the yoshimura r77 exhaust, if you still think it sounds bad that’s fair but i really like the bark it has, sc project too but that ones loud
@@KrypteiaXi you`ll be buffled by this: there actually ARE people out there that like the 2 cylindier sound (specially 270 degree crank). I have an R7, love it. People saying this one is "slow" is ridiculous. It hits easily 200km/h (that is slow now??' damm!) and its nimble on turns. Also, and this is also subjective, I believe its the most beautiful of them all.
The CBR650R isn’t comparable to the 90’s non racing 600’s as the torque is much more available than the spec sheet shows. Yes it vibrates around 6,500 rpm, then goes away until 9,500 to redline.
Exactly.....where can you get to the 9500rpm realm nowadays? Nowhere....so the fin zone around 7k to 9k rpm which is doable is atrociously buzzy and feel like the bike is gonna fall appart. One of the reasons I got to a 750 and don't regret it.
I like the 4-cylinder Sportbikes. I think I would go for the CBR. I had a 2001 CBR929RR. The 650 isn't the powerhouse that machine was, but I love the sound and smoothness of the 4.
57, own a 2023 Ninja 650 KRT edition and a 2018 Vstrom 650, and you've peaked my interest in the Honda. Any reason you didn't include a Kawi in your comparison? I have been on a couple demo/test rides with the GSX 8R; was impressed with the ergos, torque and handling...but some of the plastics (signal/brake lights) and the muffler look was a bit of a surprise. Enjoyed the perspectives!
Way too underpowered to get in the competition. CBR650R is what you need sir. Just right and not too crazy. Still buzzy at mid rpm but less that a ninja 400 or the 650.
The R7 should actually be the closest to my taste when it comes to riding. I love bikes that make you work without your driving license in being too much danger. Love the Triumph’s styling most though. Imagine a half faired version like the 1200 RR.
Middle Aged Rant Incoming: I'm 45 with over 20 years' riding experience. I just bought a Street Triple R a few months ago as I got tired of riding real sports bikes on the road. I still have my 06 GSX-R750 track bike because there's simply no replacement for sports bikes on the track. I chose the STripR because my local dealer couldn't get the Trident in the color I really wanted and because parallel twins make me sad because they suck the joy out of riding. I chose the R over the RS primarily because _I don't want a stupid multi-color TFT screen to watch movies on while I'm riding a motorcycle_ and the screen layouts on the RS are particularly bad. As for quick shifters, why do street bikes need them other than to boost their prices even more? I don't even have one on my track bike. I don't use the OEM one on the STripR because I'm not worried about shaving tenths off while riding down to the shops... Anyway, rant over. I enjoyed the video even though you guys are completely wrong on everything I disagree with. Obviously.
I had a 2020 R great bikes. The GSX 8 series bikes have a smoother quick shifter a lower revs and it is nice be lazy and click through the gears. Also one less thing to do going up to the lights a with a lot going on. To me it is not about speed at all but convenience.
@@tracktime1196 Different price range. So long as you're not talking about reliability (which isn't bad, it's just not Japanese), the Aprilia is the best bike of the bunch. But for the price it better be. But if "similar style and ergos" were all you were talking about you'd also consider the Ducati 950 which is, again, much more expensive.
Perhaps we need a CBR750R with the Hornet/Transalp engine although it would be fighting against its 650 brother. A replacement for future Honda as I’m sure they are already working on it.
The issue with this engine it is quite bad to drive at low speeds and low gears. The ride is jerky. The same for hornet and transalp. Suzuki is very smooth. Both honda and suzuki have its upside and downsides. Suzuki is just OK at everything. Honda have its bad and good things.
Thanks guys, I really like the way you describe the Bikes to rider by using the riders' age, that was really perfect. Now I firmly believe am ready for the HONDA CBR 650R finally... Now I bet you can guess my age lol ... THANK YOU GUYS>>>>
The Honda E clutch reminded me of a CZ175 I had back in the late 1970s. It had a mechanical gadget linked to the gear shifter (that also doubled as the kick starter) that allowed you to change gear without using the clutch lever and once you got used to it you could even set off and stop without using the lever.
Speaking of in-line 4 engines, I converted my 8k miles 2003 R6 to a high rise ABM handlebar kit, purely because the engine and chassis are gems and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the bike apart from the then comfort issues which are now sorted. Last time I was out on it, I rode an hour and absolutely no aches at road legal speeds. Previously I'd be extremely uncomfortable after 20mins.
I believe the populace is now tipping back to inline 4s and triples, as we've recently seen parallel twins for years on end. I just got an inline 4 again after a 90 degree V-Twin bike and while V-Twins are still my favourite layout, I can't hide the fact that inline 4s are a peach to ride no matter the speed or environment.
I’m really happy to see the midrange sports category having a breathe of new life. Litre bikes are impressive but not that usable I feel, I adored my old GSX-R 600, that thing could absolutely sing and had more than enough power.
I had the 2015 CBR650F when it still had 86bhp. I never thought I needed more power, but it did come more alive over 7000 revs. It just wasn't very comfortable two up so I changed bikes. If I'd had the funds and space at the time, I would've kept it
Interesting review. This class seems very polarising & mainly about personal preference as they all go about things very differently. No bad thing as it means variety & something for everyone. I'm late 40's with dodgy shoulders & own the 8R because of the comfort & it's all round ability. Plus the low down torque suits my riding preference & is still fun at legal speeds. I also don't think it's pretending to be a sports bike at all. It is what it is & the least pretentious bike there. I also have to disagree about the rear shock & wonder if the preloads been wound right up on it? Mine's set on 5 of 7 & is fine at legal speeds. Anyway, I use mine for a bit of everything except track days. Speaking of which, bit confused Bennetts said the 8R was seemingly great at the launch but now it's not so good after all apparently? Genuinely not annoyed by that as it's just different opinions. I did my homework on all of these bikes, & more, & the Suzuki suited my needs best. It also does seem more than a little contradictory by you guys as no one mentioned the "pogostick" rear shock in your launch review or any other I've seen? Discuss. ; )
Looking at this class for my next bike, test ridden both the Suzuki and triumph. Found the Suzuki the overall better bike, engine is the star of the show on the triumph but for me the dash is so cheap and too small in that bike so it’s just a sea of plastic around the clocks and when priced to match the spec of the Suzuki it comes out more expensive. Still to ride the Honda and aprilia, the r7 position is too extreme for me.
Great video. Even though I have no plans to buy one of these, you guys did a good job of making this a fun review. Would be interesting to see a younger group of riders review this bunch of middleweight sports bikes given the market they are aimed at…
From a younger person perspective (mid 20s) the Honda is the clear winner, out of my riding mates 4 have the honda due to how looks and the inline four. It is the oldest of the bunch so that may be the reason behind it as two of the guys bought them used. Next I know one guy with the Yamaha, this is due tot he looks and heritage from the r6 although I have been told it is a fun bike. The other are not even in consideration of guys I know my age as we all see this as a step to eventually getting something more powerful. But in general these are all great and would make great first or second bikes and are plenty powerful on the road. Thanks guys great video .
Regarding the Honda e clutch, something I feel you missed is the positive benefits for the older riders that have wrist problems. I do suffer slightly but my wife had a scaphoid injury that always gave her grief. The e clutch would have been welcomed.
You have to pay the Triumph dealer for the fitting of the quick-shifter too which is an added cost. The Suzuki has quite a short oil service interval compared to the others.
The Honda does have the benefit of having a real throttle cable. I know that everyone is getting hot and heavy for ride by wire and riding modes but electronic throttles on these cheaper bikes all have a latency to them, especially the Suzuki which is very weird doing the slow maneuvers. The R7 is too radical and underpowered for me, mostly the comfort thing since I can't handle the position doing everyday riding. The Daytona's engine is amazing, but still has that response lag and where I'm from the Honda has 5 years warranty vs 2 of the Daytona. I chose the Honda all things considered. But buying on a whim it's the Daytona for sure.
Very good review guys. Spot on with all the info and comments. I bought a 21 plate R7 at the age of 50. Love the fact it makes me feel 20 years younger with an engine that doesn't scare me too much at my age. Got a deal on the pre registered bike at a price of £7,500. If I was sensible,and acting my age, it would be the Honda.
Im 26 and I owned a yamaha xj600n for a year. I am medium hight, 175cm and my arms and back were hurting all the time. I had to sell it. Got a new hornet, its all good now. Much less pressure on my wrists and much less backpain. I could not think of getting a sportbike. I love the looks tho.
I took the Suzuki 8R on a test ride back in March as I wanted a second bike for longer rides and greater comfort, I really like the look of it and found it very easy to ride slow and use in an urban setting, that torque is strong but like you guys I found the top end a bit lacking, also the fake clip ons look a bit crap to be honest, I really wanted to like it but found the ride home on my own CBR400RR so much more exciting. That said I think this will do well for Suzuki, for those moving up to their 1st big bike in todays market and buy on looks this could be the ticket.
Yeah it definitely falls off on the top end around 7,000rpm stock. I got an exhaust, intake lid, filter and tune on my 8S to fix that. It’s a blast to ride and pulls! So much grunt!
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The whole "bunch of friends chatting about their bikes" vibe is honestly the best way to review bikes. The conversation format instead of presentation really made this an excellent video. Crossing fingers for the 2024 CBR650R to come to the States soon!
im hoping that the updated cbr600rr and 1000rr-r comes to the states soon too
This is probably the lowest IQ/entertaining/informative video style I've ever seen. These are high performing vehicles, not tractors
You are hoping for the CBR650r to make its way down there to the USA, while up here in Canada, I was hoping the Honda CBR600rr was going to make its way here. Alas, its available every where else, except in Canada because this joke of a country is ram full of Karens that don't want you having fun.
As one of the creators of this video (I'm Simon H, hello) I'd like to comment on the thing a few people have commented on: how we came to a different conclusion to MCN and their test of the same bikes.
We know the MCN guys very well, and they're absolutely top, top riders with a lot of road testing experience. They're also our friends and colleagues, so there's no rivalry or any of that old nonsense (but don't tell Carl I said he's a good rider or I'll never hear the end of it 😆).
So here's the thing: facts are facts - that's objective stuff like power, weight, handlebar, seat and footpeg positions, spec levels. All good.
Then you get the subjective stuff, and that's about opinion. And, as we know very well, everyone has their own. The whole point of the four of us sitting around talking about it for 40 mins is to showcase our different opinions - all these bikes are great for different riders and different reasons. We just try to show that. If I prefer the Honda, it's just my opinion, not a fact. If MCN prefer another bike, that just their opinion, not a fact. Both are valid. We give our reasoning in the video, I hope, for forming our opinions. MCN, in their video, give theirs. Just because they're different doesn't make either wrong!
Specifically, when we talk about suspension, there's something to bear in mind. MCN's testers are, mostly, pretty slim, petite, sexy fellas. We, on the other hand, are a bunch o' big ole fatties. Also, some of the roads we rode on are substantially bumpier than the roads MCN used - that's not a criticism of either of our test routes, just the geography of where we did our testing.
So I reckon when it comes to suspension what happened was we put a more extreme load through all the bikes, from both ends. And we felt the Suzuki's set-up - whether the internals are different or it's sprung at a different rate to the other bikes - was less controlled with our size, roads, and riding than the other bikes. I would suggest that if you ride hard on bumpy roads and you weigh 14 stone, you'll find different things about all the bikes' suspension than if you ride hard on smoother roads and weigh 11 stone.
When it comes to the Daytona 660 and whether it rides tail-heavy or not - again, that's a subjective comment. I'm fairly sensitive to bikes that have a rearward weight balance - I'll be the first to be jacking preload up at the back to try and get more weight on the front. As well as this test, I've ridden the 660 all over Wales and I'm perfectly happy with the way it steers. But again, that's just an opinion. If MCN have a different opinion, it's not because one of us is wrong - again, it's because we're different human beings.
I hope that explains how we came to have a different order of preference for the bikes in the test to MCN. Right, I'm off to eat another doughnut. Aye.
@@writestuffmedia very well said. The only problem is that the logical conclusion of this is that you and your colleagues’ views are not reliable predictors of what punters will prefer because we’re all different human beings. If the bikes being tested are all essentially equal it then just becomes random as to which prevails. What matters is the consensus. For example it’s hard to find a comparison involving the tracer 9 against its rivals where it doesn’t come out on top. In fact it’s hard to find someone to say a bad word about it other than looks and maybe wind buffeting for taller riders. It begs the question what is the point of reviewers if their conclusions don’t reliably point to the way a purchaser will also feel?
@@morri03 it's as it's always been - you find a reviewer with whom you have an alignment of opinion; whose judgement and preferences you feel you share. That's how I think when I'm watching RUclips reviews of other things.
Thanks for taking the time to write this message, Simon. I enjoy watching your videos and hearing your opinions, especially these comparisons and "what bike next." These are fun because it's like living vicariously and imagining buying a new bike.
I think when it comes to choosing a new bike, you just have to go with the one that "speaks" to you, that you enjoy looking at and sitting on, even if it didn't win a comparison test.
If a bike isn't quite perfectly set up for your weight or height, you can always set up the suspension, handlebars/rear sets, and seat. I think that is part of the fun--taking something that is mass produced and making it your own (with mass produced aftermarket parts, but you get the idea 😂).
Yes you are right preference is personal. My criticism of your review is that is too focused on your memory of supersports and not what these bikes really are, sporty looking every day bikes. It is fine to ride these bikes on A and B roads, revving them out to get the toppy horse power, but what are they like to actually own and ride every day. To commute for 45 minutes at varying speeds, none of them the national limit. To cut through traffic, lane split, do a quick pass at moderate speed. Torque is more useful than HP.
The Honda is flat in the low and midrange. Being a four it is sluggish for every day riding compared to the others. Roll on at any speed and gear and it will lag, you need to drop a gear or wait. The Suzuki needs to be ridden differently. At low and medium revs it pulls away at like it is a bigger bike. If you pin the throttle and hit the quick shifter every time it gets to 7,000 rpm it actually accelerates very quickly, 0-100kph in 3.5 seconds, 1/10th of second faster than the Honda and Daytona respectively. Being practical and doing the maths how often could extract he maximum HP out of the Triumph and the Honda. After first gear you are over the speed limit and up a cog or two your licence is up for instant removal. You literally can not extract that 90+ bhp without travelling very quickly. You probably can not even get the reduced maximum torque in many gears. The Suzuki's 78Nm at 6800 rpm, with 80% at 4,000 rpm is available and usable.
You just have lose your habit of riding a screamer and ride the torque curve instead. And the upright Suzuki is more comfortable than the Honda for riding to work every day or on a trip.
Remember the suspersport is dead because not enough folk want to buy one. They have been killed by comfortable nakeds with better usable torque. Twins and Triples.
Interestingly many first ride reviewer were disappointed with the handling of the Daytona, vague front end and soft rear. These include at least one quick English reviewer who calls himself a fatty. They cranked up the preload to try and get some feel.
I have not ridden the Daytona but Triumph triples are legendary for a flat torque curve. Part of the demise of the smaller four is the triples with better torque and similar top end.
John was clearly biased from the start, but overall I think first, you did not do a a review of these as every day ridable bikes and secondly you are showing your age. The small screaming four is dead. A bike with torque you can access at legal speeds in more than one gear are actually better to ride every day.
For me the Suzuki has the best dash and controls, you are right the Triumph dash is a joke and controls average. You are also right, the Honda looks really great. The Suzuki is the most practical bike in a city by far with a comfortable position and grunt without revving like a boy racer. The Suzuki is on par with a Street Triple up to the speed limit (I have owned a 2020 Street Triple R and GSX 8S) , both quicker than a GSX S750 four at legal speeds unless you rev the GSXS like a motogp rider and the Street Triple and GSX 8R are more punchy than the Honda by far. Remember the GSX S750 and the Street Triple make 114 peak bhp. Only accessible within the law in first. The GSX 8R has the same torque but at 6,800 rpm vs 8,500.
Finally, if that 90+ bhp is not accessible at legal and arguably safe speeds in any gear other than first, what message are you sending your audience?
@@paulconnell1309 It's good to know that everything you said is your opinion and not fact.
This video very much has the feel of a bunch of mates chatting about bikes and i enjoyed that lots.
Thanks very much, that’s the vibe we were going for: a balanced, detailed view while educating and entertaining.
Cheers, Michael
Yet detailed ... great comparison
Im a young 57 !! and own 2023 honda cbr650r , it makes me smile and when i look back its a wow. Well made and reliable and the cherry on the cake is the main dealer is a family run business and give me a first class service and they are literally around the corner from where i live.
Sounds ideal, well played!
I own the same year 2023 in red and love it
I'm in your age bracket and had a cbr650r but felt it underpowered and lacking some quality in materials. Like a ninja would feel compared to a ZXR .
I got my arse on a gsxr750 and got bewitched. I'll have to get riser clip-on to ger closer to the Honda handlebars that I really loved. But rhe engineering of the 750 is world appart. It IS a race bike made for the streets. It's lighter but feel more dense and solid than the cbr. And the engine.....fellas.....you have to try it. It's just the right power dor torque and the hidden beast that lies beyond 10k rpm is the added bonus at the end of your learning curve on the bike, when you knownit enough to go on track and use wit the way it was made for.
I wish honda had put the cbr engine at around 100/110hp and they had became perfect.
Gsxr750, I really pilot the machine, it's quite raw since it's a K8 model and I'm facing many challenges I didn't thought I'd have coming from 2 years on the 650.
Go try one, it'll be at least a good memory.
great, I'm 62 - and the cbr 650 is on my shortlist for the next bike...
I am near your age and have a CBR650R. I race cars but my bike is used for daily chores such as going to the store. First thing that sold me on the Honda was the 4 cylinder engine. The sound (I have the Akropovic exhaust) makes me giggle every time I rev the engine. Blipping the throttle for downshifts is ecstasy. I have done 400 mile rides on the Honda and it feels great. Couple that with the solid Honda engineering and there is nothing better out there for my needs. Yes it can use more power but it has enough to scare you and for street use, it is plenty. I also love the fuel economy (I get 50 mpg on the freeway) and love being able to use regular fuel since it does not require premium.
The Honda is a typical Honda solution, pretty much perfect for most things without excelling in any one thing. And it will carry on doing it forever . I agree with you folks.
Also Hondas often have a peaky inline 4 in many of their bikes. 2 personalities..
Riding comparison triangle graphics are genius / so useful
It's a really interesting graphic, isn't it?
100%
The almost podcast-like format here is brilliant. The discussion much more interesting and important than the eventual conclusion. I'd consume hours and hours of this stuff.
Please, don't encourage us!
49 and took delivery of a Daytona, love it and that engine is a gem, all day comfortable and fun when you want to ride like a 20yr old. Fueling is spot on, dash is actually ok in the real world. Good do everything bike
56, and just rode one a few hundred miles on motorway to Wales, round it round Wales on B-roads, and rode it home again on A-roads. Loved it. Comfy, cool, fast, fun, feisty.
62 and loving my Daytona 660! A bit wristy but I’ll live😅.
22 and love my daytona as well, my thoughts are actually mostly in line with the guys in this video.
I'm about to buy a Daytona. Just want to confirm with you guys I'm making the right choice vs a Honda and the Susuki.
I have a Suzuki 8S, and just test rode the 8R today, (back to back with my bike). I have to say - the 8R felt fantastic and I wish it had been released alongside the 8S as I would have gone for the R model. It had nice firm, plush suspension helping me get much more feedback from the tyres/ road; a more engaged, but not to wristy seating position, and was very, very confidence inspiring. Just as responsive and torquey an engine as the S and just as slick a quick-shifter. Negatives were, the steering is a tiny bit slower on these Suzukis owing to their long wheel base, but what you lose in lightness of steering, you make up on in the stability department. And it could do with a little bit more bark from the exhaust. But other than that - I would highly recommend test riding the 8R to anyone in the market for one of these bikes.
(Edit) - age 42 and use my bike for commuting and the odd blast, adventure/ tour.
They do hold the corners well though. I ahve an 8S and share your views.
I stuck Michelin pilot power 2CT tyres on my 8s and steering is ultra light now, a bit too light to be honest. Use the same tyres on my CBR and find it more planted and stable.
I’m 60. I’ve owned 3 CBR650R s. I now have the 2024. I agree with everything that was said about it. The synopsis of the e-clutch was bang on. I’ve not ridden any of the others, it was great to get the broad perspective presented.
I was not sure if I wanted to sit through a 25 minute bike review. However, the style of the way it was presented was compelling and engaging. As in the other comments. A few mates chatting about the bikes , in an informal, yet informative way.
Well done.
Its so interesting to see different journalists rate the bikes. MSN the Honda was last and the Suzuki won.
I personally brought a 24 CBR650R and love it. TBH mainly on looks alone! But the inline 4 is lovely. I get 150+ miles on a. tank with fun riding too. Totally agree about cockpit look and feel.
I have the normal quickshifter as for me the bulge on the side upset the symmetry.
You never mentioned that the Triumph is great looking at the front only, back is forgotten. They dont even paint it.
Great review! Nice job.
50 years old and use it for fun dry riding :)
I hate the triumph’s fake frame, very cheap to look at. The tubular steel frame on the trident doesn’t look too bad and I reckon triumph doesn’t need to cover it with some cheap plastic to make it look more “premium” than it actually is.
Im 40 and only just going for my bike licence. I've been interested in the CBR 650R the whole time I've wanted a bike.
That's what i bought myself after passing my test, it's a fantastic bike and really enjoy riding it.
I own the 21 model year.
It’s an excellent bike.
Go for it as your first powerful bike. Ride around 3 years on it and then you'll see if you feel the need for something more .
I really didn't like the engine and power delivery. Too tamed and assisted.
I wanted to raw feeling of the machine working under me, hence why I got an old school K8 GSXR750.
@@narusawa74 I'll give it a test ride before I decide
I'm 49 and own a 2024 cbr650r, love it, I took a 600rr out at the weekend which was fun , sounded great, handling awesome etc but!! Was so glad to get back on my 650 after its first service and ride home in comfort
Im 51 and just sold my street triple 765 rs, which was a cracking bike but now jumped on a gsxr 1000, as i LOVE sportsbikes, gixxer is fantastic and im comfortable on the rocketship at 6'3" tall im over the moon with it, i just realised the gsxr is not similar to these bikes but thought youd like my input. Sports bikes still rule!!
Oh you should try a Fireblade 1000R to compare both top line sports bike!!
I just got a nice K8 750 and I'm over the moon. I need 3' riser clipons as my lower back doesn't enjoy the 3h rides much.
Gsx 8r im 56 yrs old. I’ve had my 2024 GSX 8R since March 2024. It suits me fine. But,I truly enjoy the Honda. Good job gentlemen.
I’m 44 and looking for a mid weight sports bike. I’ve been after the 650r. This was a great way to reinforce what I was thinking the bike would represent. It’s a great format with 4 mates talking bikes. Well done lads.
I'm liking this series and could listen to you guys talk about and compare bikes all day. Perfect length video for great discussion(s), keep them coming.
Honda every chance I get.
Thanks very much. The detail, bike selection and format is all carefully considered with the aim of the game being to make the viewer aware of all the details - especially back-to-back. We really appreciate comments like this and will continue to use this format as a result!
Cheers, Michael
I went for the alternative, Aprilia 660. Can’t say if it’s better or best, but I like it.
Yeah, would have liked to see the 660 in the mix
@ozzyg82 on price it's almost not part of the competition.
“Can’t say if it’s better or best” - actually I think you can (dynamically at least) 😂
@@chrishart8548 on rrp ? I paid 9200 for a Tuono factory, it was 8300 for the standard version.
I know the Aprilia Tuono 660 only has half a fairing, but in my neck of the woods it's in the same price ballpark as these 4 with good power and very nice suspension and brakes.
Great format. I’d love to see this repeated for other classes of bike. Great to hear differing opinions!
The Honda is a real beauty!
RS660 is my favourite, thats why I bought one!
Second place to the CBR.
I'm in my late 30's.
But I have not ridden the Daytona 660 as was not released when I was looking.
Thoroughly underwhelmed when i test rode the Suzuki and the Yamaha.
RIDING POSITION COMPARISON WOW ive never seen that shown so perfectly as in this video!
Props
Just picked up my 2023 CBR650R on Tuesday. That inline 4 just puts a smile on my face every time.
Who’s here after seeing Simon play bass at Suzuki Live in LCR’s video?
Not me! I haven't seen that!
No I saw him play bass on neevseys suzuki live video
He looked a superstar!
I have the 2022 CB650R. I thought about getting the CBR because it looks so good but I have lower back and neck problems so it made sense to get the CB and be more comfortable. Still love both of them though.
My Cbr650r is pretty comfortable after I tried Yamaha r6.
I'm 34 and have been commuting on an R7 for over a year. No complain! Its twin-cylinder power is more than enough for me to ride in the busy and chaotic traffic of the most complex city in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh City. The R7 looks beautiful and I receive lots of compliments from other people.
The clip at 20:23 was just a beautiful sight. The twisty road ahead along with the synchronised riding of 4 bikes
Totally agree, lovely sight
It's the B660 between Great Gidding and Winwick - and I agree, it looks great from the drone shot!
Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks Michael I'm going to now Google search and see how far it is from me
I’m about to turn 50yrs old and bought my first bike a new R7 couple of mths ago. Absolutely loving it. Yeah forcing me to lose more weight and hit the free weights. Need to fit into that one piece suit for my 50th in September. 10kg to go😂.
How is the R7 as a "beginner" bike (since you said first bike)? I'm torn between getting a 400-500cc or a 650cc or similar
@@satoril928 I'm 62 and started a year ago as a beginner on the RS 660, which is a bit more powerful than the R7. Of course one needs to be quite careful with the throttle in the beginning, but all modern bikes are fairly easy to ride with good handling and brakes. I've done quite a bit of track riding this season so I feel like I'm up to speed and would now regret having anything less. I did test ride an RC 390 with the aim of having a cheaper track bike that wouldn't be a disaster if I crash it. Honestly it felt like a moped in comparison.
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 - Thank you so much for your response on this. Especially, coming from a fellow female rider. I've driven and tracked many race cars so I think I can handle the power and take it slow at first. Not being a spring chicken, I think I have the maturity to handle something high-powered. I was actually wanting to get an RS 457, before eventually getting on something like an RS 660 - maybe I'll just end up going the same route as you.
@@satoril928 Cool, I think your driving experience will help. One thing that’s a bit weird though is the electronics on the RS 660. In the “road” modes in first gear, it can intervene pretty extremely if you roll on the throttle too quickly or accidentally unweight the bike. I almost went over the handle bars a couple times because I was clumsy with the throttle or shifted my weight at the wrong time and got surprised by the electronics intervention. Best of luck with whatever you choose!
@@samanthagregoryurich4167 Thanks for the heads-up! That's something to consider and for any high powered bike I guess too - anything to avoid getting thrown off
Im a 19 year old from Australia, and after watching this video am convinced i made the right choice with the cbr (delays for us until september). The format of some mates with a good bit of experience chatting about the bikes was wayyyyy better than a couple young guys reading a brochure. I find it comical the cbr places last in alot of other comparisons, but i trust this comparison a lot more.
Honda for me.
Sensible subjective comments, views, and opinions from mature, experienced riders, resulting in a very well balanced and credible discussion. I really enjoyed that, thank you guys!
Thanks so much for this test. The rider-triangle graphic is something that should appear in every test, but apparently only in yours. As a large fella (6'3" and 200#), the ergonomics of the Suzuki caught my eye. But the torque figures, which matter to me *way* more than HP, sealed the deal. I'm headed to the Suzuki dealer tomorrow.
In researching this class for a near-future purchase I have examined all four of these bikes. However, the one I seem to be leaning towards is the Aprilia RS 660. For a little more money you get cruise control, better electronics, Brembo brakes, and an available quick shifter. Perhaps, I'll change my mind after I ride them. A close second choice would be the Triump Daytona.
Oh, I'm 57 looking for a fun daily ride that, perhaps, I may take to a track day or racing school.
Super interesting discussion. As a late 40s owner of a cbr650r, I'm delighted to see it getting the love it deserves. It has the screaming 4 (add an Akra pipe!), is easy at low revs but shows its animal side when you put the hammer down, not uncomfortable. Bloody love it 😊 Thanks guys
Go try a gsxr 750.....😊
@@narusawa74....And be grossly disappointed.
I'm 60.
Sports bikes aren't my thing, but if they were I'd buy the Suzuki.
I can't do the gerbil coil body position required for the others, and the engine is as lazy as i am.
If the biking demographic is 40 odd and older now, are there enough people to buy these?
I haven't seen many on the road.
Interesting watch.
Ride safe 👍
Fair point - but these will bring youngsters along. They’re great for the road.
In America the Suzuki is already popping up on Marketplace for sale. The CBRs even though have been out a few years are expensive used compared to others. The R7s are very plentiful on marketplace.
I love your comments on the e-clutch as I also had doubts about it. I love manual shifting but I currently have a quick shifter (got it in the hope that it would help smooth out the ride for my pillion, but that backfired on me). But as I get older, I do get sore hands and wrists occasionally, so this would be ideal for start stop riding on those days, leaving me with a manual for the day , times and rides that I want a manual… best of all worlds really…
Well spent 47 minutes to decide which bike you need to go under that category. Thanks for the video. Cheers!!!
I’m 65 and ride a 2023 Ninja 400. Looking for a middle weight 600 class and have decided on the Honda CBR650r with e-clutch, unfortunately I live in the United States and it’s not available here. Hopefully next year Honda will make it available here.
Sounds like Honda will, they often release bikes in North America last. They'd be fools not to have competitors in this class and the middleweight naked just as the class is exploding in popularity.
Buy the Suzuki and ride it like a twin. Early upshifts. It has more torque down low and is quicker at normal revs.
i just ordered one in canada Quebec its gonna arrive in octobre , i think they gonna come soon to the US
E clutch, is a brilliant move. Since starting my RUclips channel, I’ve gotten a lot of questions. Young people aren’t using clutches in cars. They are frightened of the clutch. Smart move Honda. They will sell a ton to new riders!
I think you still need to pass the test on a clutched bike. So you need to learn how to use it regardless.
@@kingkire1556 I was lucky, I learned as a kid. I like manual cars also, but I get where noobs are scared. It’s understandable.
T-max already exists for those incapable of using a clutch (or brakes 🤪).
I'm 19, from Australia, put my deposit down on a 2024 cbr650r with the e clutch. Can't wait for the bike to get here, just gonna slap the cash down in full. Already got the gear and insurance lined up. Can't wait, thanks for the video last. I feel this is the sort of video that is lacking when people are researching their first (or first few bikes) where it has an analysis of the positives and negatives but also multiple opinions on it. The difference personalities and desires from each person towards what they want out of a bike makes for a great source of different perspectives. Only thing for me is I would have liked to see the Kawasaki Ninja 650 amongst these.
The whole "bunch of friends chatting about their bikes" vibe is excellent. Please add a rookie to future reviews.
I love this format, it really gets into nitty gritty and is very enjoyable and informative, thanks again chaps 👍
So much better than MCN…with its new kid talking about “juices flowing” & gave the CBR a last place in their test
Probably because hes right its a boring bike
The CBR650R and the CBR500R are nothing except visually alike.
The CBR500R is a piece of shit expensive bike. Weighs a ton, barely moves.
The CBR650R is the fastest in the category, and the only 600cc i4 for sale.
The CBR is pretty dated. Not a great bike
@@joaomiguelgoncalvesdematos6135it's dated and beaten by the RS660 though. On track an R7 walks it too. The only real pro (and it's a big one) is its I4 engine 🫡
@@dnbanb It needs to be 126hp and 390 lbs.
I have the CBR, while it's nice, screaming I4, and definitely quite comfortable, if I had to go back in time I'd get a used CBR600RR and adjust the grips to be more relaxed etc
I'm glad Honda is keeping the CBR650R around as a middleweight screamer, but the newer version doesn't look as pretty and has less bronze than the 19' which I very much like
That's what I did..I have a 2012 CBR 600rr...really enjoy the inline four...just need to adjust clip-ons for more comfort...any suggestions? Thx
@@Frank-xo7zj I haven't dug into the aftermarket in years but some folks fabricate stuff on the rider forums
oh wow ! i never expected that result, given what other media said about the CBR.
im happy to think people still loves inline 4 :)
I love these videos, hope you guys keep them coming
I’m 42, little over 7 stone and I’ve been riding the 2023 CBR650R for a couple of months, prior to that I had a CB500F. Both bikes are wonderful to ride, very smooth and responsive. The CBR just has a beautiful look to it, many a fellow rider admires it. I won’t lie, it’s a heavy beast to manoeuvre but once you’re moving it flows effortlessly.
42 and got the 2024 CBR650R as my first bike after passing my test on April. I did consider the 8R (and the 8S actually) and the 660, but the inline 4 won it for me. E-clutch a great addition, easy to ride all day, just a few vibes through the right hand.
@@kickboxuk7284 good to hear from you, and thanks for letting us know. Safe riding!
inline 4 sounds incredible
Do you think weight would be challenging for a 61 kg rider?
Thank you so much for this quality discussion, a follower from Mumbai, India.
It was difficult to make purchase decision but after watching this video going for “Triumph Daytona 660”.
Needs more of these videos on all class!
Thank you!
👍🏻
40 Years old and currently riding around on a 23 plate R7. Absolutely love it. With a full system and no baffle the noise is diabolical. MY only grips is the fuel tank really is too small. Every other short ride it needs filling up.
Thank you, guys. I think my next bike will be the Honda I own a lowrider st 2023, but looking for a fun bike. I'm 51
Just love these chat around the table videos. Simon’s categorising the bikes by rider age was interesting. You’re all experienced riders whose opinions matter in my estimation. More of the same please. 👍😉
Nice video, guys. I’m old (57), so I’m not into any of these bikes. But I’m a fan of watching you dissecting them with so much knowledge and sharp observations.
Funnily enough I’m a fan of Michael Hargreaves since his funny front Ender times when he, replying to a question I put, boosted my confidence when I decided to buy a K1300R. I’ve been with that bike for 10 years. Had lots of fun on it. Just recently sold it, to buy a more modern one… maybe you can guess what it will be 😜
Very good format of video
Great video and thanks for your fantastic in depth thoughts Simon, John, Martin & Michael. I’ve got a CBR650R 2023 model and love it. Much love from New Zealand 🇳🇿👍🏻
Triumph have been producing 660 (sleeved down 675’s) for the Australian and New Zealand markets as our learner (LAMS) regulations are a max displacement of 660 cc with a power to weight of 150kw/tonne (a bit more power than A2). They achieved this in bikes featuring ride by wire by having the ECU cut power at around 6,250. When derestriced, they were incredibly responsive all the way to around 12,000 rpm making about the same as the Honda with more torque in street triple guise.
The e-clutch will lower the barrier to entry for my partner. I am 49 and I own an R7 60th anniversary edition in North Carolina amongst other bikes. I 100% bought it for the styling and colour. Yeah the R7 is aggressive in position and a bit over on the wrists, but I am fit and can last around two hours on it before taking a break which I would do on other bikes to stretch legs anyway. I got close on 175 miles on my last tank taking it easy, but if I push it that will drop significantly...according to the on-board computer I average around 56 mpg ... Oh and it improved as clocked up miles and just short of 4000 miles ATM. The performance from the engine is fine, I will do some mods over time for a bit of extra pep but I feel like I can focus more on own my skill with it... also its great if just feel like a calm an not frantic ride. It's a great second or third bike if you looking for something that does not tear you arms off yet handles well..and I love mine ... She is a keeper.
I'm 50 and have daily ridden the R7 for the last 2 years. Love it. 20 extra horses wouldn't hurt but I think the handling (I have Ohlins forks and shock) is the bit that keeps it competitive on the street.
22 years of age, and absolutely love my Daytona. I also test rode the Suzuki and the Honda, but preferred the smooth ride, engine and accessories (oem crash protection, great quickshifter and pillion grab handles are lifesavers) of the Triumph
When I was 23 years old (a long time ago - use it wisely, it goes quick) the top sports 600 was the CBR600 F-N - made a dyno-tested 84bhp and cost £5291 - today's equivalent of £11,318 (!). It was one of the first bikes I road-tested for Performance Bikes magazine (those were the days).
Today, the Daytona 660 costs £8595 (or £4018 in 1992 money) and makes a claimed 94bhp - so call it 86bhp at the wheel, or pretty close to the 1992 CBR600.
So we get roughly the same bhp at something like 25% cheaper, plus all the modern advantages of electronics, weight balance, chassis design, suspension and braking, and tyres. Hm.
Which one would I like in my garage? Don't ask me, ask a 22 year-old! 😁
@@writestuffmedia thanks for your thoughtful reply, I enjoyed reading it! ☺️ (and I fully agree)
What bikes did you have before? I love the Daytona, but only have limited experience on 2 stroke dirt bikes.
As someone who owed a previous cbr650r I agree with the riding position, and the fact that in isolation the engine is beautiful. I do miss it, I used to tour on it too
Great video! I love my CBR650R! It sounds amazing with an Akra full system on it 😼
Great format, 4 great opinions (loving your work). Not ridden all these (yet), but I did demo the Honda 600RR & CBR650R the other day. I had in my mind MCN’s verdict (no criticism of that esp given Simon H’s comment of here, I agree with all he says). The CBR was so comfortable & the 4cylinder so smooth & usable, even had the aesthetic GW (garage wood effect) for me too. I’m 51 & a newbie rider of 4 years, mostly adv bikes. Keep up the great content.
@@oliverleifadams2003 thanks very much , if you do end up trying all four or event the selection that takes your fancy, do let us know your verdict.
Cheers, Michael
This seems like a sport touring midweight segment.. Nextup pls add supersport midweight segment that includes 2024 Kawasaki zx6r & 2024 CBR 600RR as well! 😍🔥
Early 40’s here, 8R without question is what I’d buy with my own money. I see these bikes as medium sized sport tourers (do everything). Comfort and fun is what makes you ride a bike more often. 8R to have maximum fun use the quick shifter early in the revs and it is excitingly fun to ride. To classify these as sport bikes like the inline 600 is off the mark.
I really enjoy these comparisons. It’s great hearing the different view points.
I’m 21 and have just brought the new cbr650r with the e clutch for my first yr in full a license. I’ve had it for 2 months and done just over 2.5k miles on it and I love it. Easy to ride slow and when you want to have a bit of fun you can with easy im getting over 200 miles out of a tank My main problem is the mirrors like to move if you go over 100 But I think its an amazing bike to ride and the eclutch is amazing
Great reply, thanks for that. I had the smae issue with the mirrors... but I was only going 69mph :-)
You should see if your local dealer can help fix them.
Cheers, Michael
Was going to buy an R7 last year, but those ergos were too extreme for road use; grabbed a '23 GSX-R750 instead. That bike never gets ridden with less than half tank fuel just in case I need to run from the cops (kidding!). Picked up a '24 Ninja 650 and added the 30 mm taller Kaw accessory seat and ditched the horribly stiff Dunlop tires and found a great do-everything bike that CAN provide decent fuel economy when needed, but is light and fun to thrash too. When I added the '25 Daytona 660, I found a bike more in line with what I initially wanted; a great all-rounder similar to those great middleweights of the 90s (CBR600R F2, ZX-6, YZF600, etc.) I'll be 55 this month and treat these bikes like footwear for the day; what do I want to do and choose accordingly.
So basically your head will want the Honda, your heart will want the Triumph.
I wrote that before getting to the end of the video. Am I a Jedi? 🤔
i'm 22 and the Yamaha speaks to me most because of the sounds and looks, but also the mpg and the low end torque
the sound is ass compared to the Honda and the Triumph.
@@KrypteiaXi please search for the yoshimura r77 exhaust, if you still think it sounds bad that’s fair but i really like the bark it has, sc project too but that ones loud
@@nate9479 apparently you like tractor sounding vehicles? the inline-3 and the inline-4 are smooth and sound like a proper sportbike.
@@KrypteiaXi ye i enjoy low rumble more than a high revver but i like both either way, opinions different ig
@@KrypteiaXi you`ll be buffled by this: there actually ARE people out there that like the 2 cylindier sound (specially 270 degree crank). I have an R7, love it. People saying this one is "slow" is ridiculous. It hits easily 200km/h (that is slow now??' damm!) and its nimble on turns. Also, and this is also subjective, I believe its the most beautiful of them all.
The CBR650R isn’t comparable to the 90’s non racing 600’s as the torque is much more available than the spec sheet shows. Yes it vibrates around 6,500 rpm, then goes away until 9,500 to redline.
Exactly.....where can you get to the 9500rpm realm nowadays? Nowhere....so the fin zone around 7k to 9k rpm which is doable is atrociously buzzy and feel like the bike is gonna fall appart.
One of the reasons I got to a 750 and don't regret it.
I like the 4-cylinder Sportbikes. I think I would go for the CBR. I had a 2001 CBR929RR. The 650 isn't the powerhouse that machine was, but I love the sound and smoothness of the 4.
57, own a 2023 Ninja 650 KRT edition and a 2018 Vstrom 650, and you've peaked my interest in the Honda. Any reason you didn't include a Kawi in your comparison? I have been on a couple demo/test rides with the GSX 8R; was impressed with the ergos, torque and handling...but some of the plastics (signal/brake lights) and the muffler look was a bit of a surprise. Enjoyed the perspectives!
Way too underpowered to get in the competition. CBR650R is what you need sir. Just right and not too crazy. Still buzzy at mid rpm but less that a ninja 400 or the 650.
The R7 should actually be the closest to my taste when it comes to riding. I love bikes that make you work without your driving license in being too much danger. Love the Triumph’s styling most though. Imagine a half faired version like the 1200 RR.
Middle Aged Rant Incoming:
I'm 45 with over 20 years' riding experience. I just bought a Street Triple R a few months ago as I got tired of riding real sports bikes on the road. I still have my 06 GSX-R750 track bike because there's simply no replacement for sports bikes on the track.
I chose the STripR because my local dealer couldn't get the Trident in the color I really wanted and because parallel twins make me sad because they suck the joy out of riding. I chose the R over the RS primarily because _I don't want a stupid multi-color TFT screen to watch movies on while I'm riding a motorcycle_ and the screen layouts on the RS are particularly bad.
As for quick shifters, why do street bikes need them other than to boost their prices even more? I don't even have one on my track bike. I don't use the OEM one on the STripR because I'm not worried about shaving tenths off while riding down to the shops...
Anyway, rant over. I enjoyed the video even though you guys are completely wrong on everything I disagree with. Obviously.
I had a 2020 R great bikes. The GSX 8 series bikes have a smoother quick shifter a lower revs and it is nice be lazy and click through the gears. Also one less thing to do going up to the lights a with a lot going on. To me it is not about speed at all but convenience.
sorry, but this group test cannot be done without RS 660
I agree and can't understand why it's not in the line up???? It's ridiculous 🤷♂️
@@tracktime1196 Different price range. So long as you're not talking about reliability (which isn't bad, it's just not Japanese), the Aprilia is the best bike of the bunch. But for the price it better be. But if "similar style and ergos" were all you were talking about you'd also consider the Ducati 950 which is, again, much more expensive.
It’s £1500 more than the Daytona
Parallel twin in sport bike, nope
It would be my choice.
Perhaps we need a CBR750R with the Hornet/Transalp engine although it would be fighting against its 650 brother. A replacement for future Honda as I’m sure they are already working on it.
The issue with this engine it is quite bad to drive at low speeds and low gears. The ride is jerky. The same for hornet and transalp. Suzuki is very smooth. Both honda and suzuki have its upside and downsides. Suzuki is just OK at everything. Honda have its bad and good things.
I really enjoyed this video, thank you!!
Honda CBR650R ❤️💙🤍
Thanks guys, I really like the way you describe the Bikes to rider by using the riders' age, that was really perfect. Now I firmly believe am ready for the HONDA CBR 650R finally... Now I bet you can guess my age lol ... THANK YOU GUYS>>>>
The Honda E clutch reminded me of a CZ175 I had back in the late 1970s. It had a mechanical gadget linked to the gear shifter (that also doubled as the kick starter) that allowed you to change gear without using the clutch lever and once you got used to it you could even set off and stop without using the lever.
More like the SCS system from MV Agusta
10:25 Absolutely cracking up at John responding to his own comment with "That's a good point actually" lol.
I'm the only one who ever thinks I have a good point
@@bennettsbikesocial Great minds think alike
Speaking of in-line 4 engines, I converted my 8k miles 2003 R6 to a high rise ABM handlebar kit, purely because the engine and chassis are gems and there's absolutely nothing wrong with the bike apart from the then comfort issues which are now sorted.
Last time I was out on it, I rode an hour and absolutely no aches at road legal speeds. Previously I'd be extremely uncomfortable after 20mins.
I believe the populace is now tipping back to inline 4s and triples, as we've recently seen parallel twins for years on end.
I just got an inline 4 again after a 90 degree V-Twin bike and while V-Twins are still my favourite layout, I can't hide the fact that inline 4s are a peach to ride no matter the speed or environment.
I love my vfr750, that v4 is brilliant
I’m really happy to see the midrange sports category having a breathe of new life. Litre bikes are impressive but not that usable I feel, I adored my old GSX-R 600, that thing could absolutely sing and had more than enough power.
So pleased to see this review and happy that these bike are different in a good way, when cars are now so vanilla.
I had the 2015 CBR650F when it still had 86bhp. I never thought I needed more power, but it did come more alive over 7000 revs. It just wasn't very comfortable two up so I changed bikes. If I'd had the funds and space at the time, I would've kept it
Good video. Arthritis is starting to effect my enjoyment of riding with the clutch being a literal pain. That e clutch sounds like a great thing 👍🏻
Interesting review. This class seems very polarising & mainly about personal preference as they all go about things very differently. No bad thing as it means variety & something for everyone. I'm late 40's with dodgy shoulders & own the 8R because of the comfort & it's all round ability. Plus the low down torque suits my riding preference & is still fun at legal speeds. I also don't think it's pretending to be a sports bike at all. It is what it is & the least pretentious bike there. I also have to disagree about the rear shock & wonder if the preloads been wound right up on it? Mine's set on 5 of 7 & is fine at legal speeds. Anyway, I use mine for a bit of everything except track days. Speaking of which, bit confused Bennetts said the 8R was seemingly great at the launch but now it's not so good after all apparently? Genuinely not annoyed by that as it's just different opinions. I did my homework on all of these bikes, & more, & the Suzuki suited my needs best. It also does seem more than a little contradictory by you guys as no one mentioned the "pogostick" rear shock in your launch review or any other I've seen? Discuss. ; )
Looking at this class for my next bike, test ridden both the Suzuki and triumph. Found the Suzuki the overall better bike, engine is the star of the show on the triumph but for me the dash is so cheap and too small in that bike so it’s just a sea of plastic around the clocks and when priced to match the spec of the Suzuki it comes out more expensive. Still to ride the Honda and aprilia, the r7 position is too extreme for me.
E-clutch is not about confidence. It's an amazing addition when it comes to the start - stop nature of riding in the city.
Great video. Even though I have no plans to buy one of these, you guys did a good job of making this a fun review. Would be interesting to see a younger group of riders review this bunch of middleweight sports bikes given the market they are aimed at…
From a younger person perspective (mid 20s) the Honda is the clear winner, out of my riding mates 4 have the honda due to how looks and the inline four. It is the oldest of the bunch so that may be the reason behind it as two of the guys bought them used. Next I know one guy with the Yamaha, this is due tot he looks and heritage from the r6 although I have been told it is a fun bike. The other are not even in consideration of guys I know my age as we all see this as a step to eventually getting something more powerful. But in general these are all great and would make great first or second bikes and are plenty powerful on the road. Thanks guys great video .
Love these comparison tests you four do. Hopefully we see a test of the new A2 nakeds. Cheers fellas.
Im a new rider and wanted a r7 but it was not available then i bought cbr 650 r 24 and it was a good choice. I have 2200 km and i like it very
I'm waiting for the new CBR650R to arrive in Australia. I'm really excited to take it for a ride.
Regarding the Honda e clutch, something I feel you missed is the positive benefits for the older riders that have wrist problems. I do suffer slightly but my wife had a scaphoid injury that always gave her grief. The e clutch would have been welcomed.
Honda all day every day for me..I’m the wrong end of 40 and still love riding my old Honda cbr f6 it’s fantastic to ride..
I’d love to see the Kawasaki in this lineup too but great video guys
You have to pay the Triumph dealer for the fitting of the quick-shifter too which is an added cost. The Suzuki has quite a short oil service interval compared to the others.
The Honda does have the benefit of having a real throttle cable. I know that everyone is getting hot and heavy for ride by wire and riding modes but electronic throttles on these cheaper bikes all have a latency to them, especially the Suzuki which is very weird doing the slow maneuvers. The R7 is too radical and underpowered for me, mostly the comfort thing since I can't handle the position doing everyday riding. The Daytona's engine is amazing, but still has that response lag and where I'm from the Honda has 5 years warranty vs 2 of the Daytona. I chose the Honda all things considered. But buying on a whim it's the Daytona for sure.
Very good review guys. Spot on with all the info and comments.
I bought a 21 plate R7 at the age of 50. Love the fact it makes me feel 20 years younger with an engine that doesn't scare me too much at my age. Got a deal on the pre registered bike at a price of £7,500.
If I was sensible,and acting my age, it would be the Honda.
Sounds like you got a good deal. Thanks for the comment, and happy riding on the R7 - great to hear that it has that affect on you!
Cheers, Michael
Im 26 and I owned a yamaha xj600n for a year. I am medium hight, 175cm and my arms and back were hurting all the time. I had to sell it. Got a new hornet, its all good now. Much less pressure on my wrists and much less backpain. I could not think of getting a sportbike. I love the looks tho.
I took the Suzuki 8R on a test ride back in March as I wanted a second bike for longer rides and greater comfort, I really like the look of it and found it very easy to ride slow and use in an urban setting, that torque is strong but like you guys I found the top end a bit lacking, also the fake clip ons look a bit crap to be honest, I really wanted to like it but found the ride home on my own CBR400RR so much more exciting. That said I think this will do well for Suzuki, for those moving up to their 1st big bike in todays market and buy on looks this could be the ticket.
You basically just said what it took us 40 mins to say 😁👍
Yeah it definitely falls off on the top end around 7,000rpm stock. I got an exhaust, intake lid, filter and tune on my 8S to fix that. It’s a blast to ride and pulls! So much grunt!