In the context of this version of the series, I think it's evident that Hiromatsu knows he must commit seppuku this way for the rest of Toranaga's vassals to believe that he has really given up, and Toranaga knows that Hiromatsu knows, and Hiromatsu knows that Toranaga knows he knows.. so they were speaking very clearly and heartfelt to eachother during that last exchange, but not with their words (those were for the vassals), but with their eyes. 💔
In regards to the death of the first wife, remember the lesson of the 8 fold fence. The look of distress at the moment of the old lady's death was her true heart. She then, immediately, hid it from the world. Masterful acting!!!
Too bad they're going to ruin it by making more seasons, despite the first being perfectly self-contained and already adapting all the source material; but I agree, the first season definitely deserved the awards.
Me too. I knew he was a good actor, but his performance during the scene of Hiromatsu's seppuku is the best face acting I've ever seen in my life. Simply exquisite
@@thijsfb: Well, sure, I guess we should; but my experience is that when shows like this go beyond their source material, it tends to make things worse rather than better. It's also going to be hard to match that first season, a but like with _True Detective_ (although in this case it would presumably still be the same story).
Kodaiin (Daiyoin), the wife of Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko), was a wonderful woman who supported Hideyoshi's unification of Japan behind the scenes. Hideyoshi started as a farmer, became a warrior, and then unified the country. Although he never became Shogun, he is the most successful person in Japanese history. However, Kodaiin (Daiyoin) had no children. That's why he took Yodo-dono (Ochiba no Kata) as a concubine. Yodo-dono (Ochiba no Kata) was the granddaughter of Oda Nobunaga, Hideyoshi's lord and a great man, and was a young, dignified beauty. She gave birth to two children for Hideyoshi (the first died of illness shortly after birth, and the second was Toyotomi Hideyori (Yaechiyo)). Kodaiin was very generous as Hideyoshi's wife, supporting her husband and Yodo-dono (Ochiba-no-kata), and was loved by the vassals and other warlords due to her virtue. Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) was also merciful to her. In actual fact, she later became a nun and spent the rest of her life at Kodaiji Temple in the Higashiyama area of Kyoto. The temple still exists in Kyoto today, and you can visit the temple with its beautiful garden. The Higashiyama area of Kyoto, where Kodaiji Temple is located, has many charming streetscapes and is one of the famous tourist spots in Kyoto. Incidentally, Kyoto has 17 UNESCO World Heritage Sites. This is because the emperor lived in Kyoto for a long time, and Kyoto was the capital of Japan at the time. Before that, Nara, famous for its deer, was the center of Japan. Furthermore, Osaka, where Osaka Castle is located, which was built by Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko) when he took control of the country, Kyoto, and Nara are all adjacent to each other, making this a huge tourist area that combines Japan's ancient capitals, history, and cities.
In that context of helping your father commit seppuku, it is thousands of years of culture saying it is an honor. It would still be painful emotionally, but there is really no way for someone not being raised and living in that culture to understand how ingrained it is. Suicide because of dishonor is still a problem to this day in Japan, even after decades of trying to move way with it through education and governmental pushes. That is how ingrained it is. And as far as Hiromatsu, he likely knew he was doing it as part of a charade, and he was doing it for his friend and Japan.
Allow me to keep recommending the 1980 series as well, the 9-10 hour version. It would probably be viewer disaster on here so I doubt it would be worth editing a reaction to it, but maybe watch it on your own time (because everyone has a lot of time hehe). Then maybe do a video where you talk about the differences between the old and new series, what you liked better etc, I would find that very interesting!
The talk between Toranaga and Mariko after Hiromatsus death was a foreshadowing of the darkest kind especially after Marikos talk with Blackthorne on the meaning of loyalty.
It got the Emmy this year! My question is: would you take your own life for the purpose of greater plan? Would you ask your right hand man to take his life for greater plan?
Ya I have a hard time reading Ochiba No Kata when the Taiko's wife dies. Is it her having a moment of grief before the eight-fold fence goes up again or is she having an internal shift of some sort.
Buntaro was always in love with Mariko, but remember she thought the marriage was beneath her. He has been frustrated the whole time and Blackthorn's presence has made it worse.
I share your fear about subsequent seasons untethered to the original novel. However, the ray of hope lies in seeing how well this production handled that source material and brought it to a life infused with the real history and culture it was based on. There is plenty of feudal Japanese history they can bring to life with the same sensibilities and attention to detail.
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In the context of this version of the series, I think it's evident that Hiromatsu knows he must commit seppuku this way for the rest of Toranaga's vassals to believe that he has really given up, and Toranaga knows that Hiromatsu knows, and Hiromatsu knows that Toranaga knows he knows.. so they were speaking very clearly and heartfelt to eachother during that last exchange, but not with their words (those were for the vassals), but with their eyes. 💔
In regards to the death of the first wife, remember the lesson of the 8 fold fence. The look of distress at the moment of the old lady's death was her true heart. She then, immediately, hid it from the world. Masterful acting!!!
Plans within plans. This series is a masterpiece.
The plan that hides your plan and reveals everyone else's, is it genius or diabolical? Genious move!
12:10 Toranaga really did them dirty. The courtesans definitely deserved better neighbors. 😀
18 deserved Emmys I'm so happy for Sanada.
Too bad they're going to ruin it by making more seasons, despite the first being perfectly self-contained and already adapting all the source material; but I agree, the first season definitely deserved the awards.
Me too. I knew he was a good actor, but his performance during the scene of Hiromatsu's seppuku is the best face acting I've ever seen in my life. Simply exquisite
@@hoon_sol let's not judge it before we see it
@@thijsfb:
Well, sure, I guess we should; but my experience is that when shows like this go beyond their source material, it tends to make things worse rather than better. It's also going to be hard to match that first season, a but like with _True Detective_ (although in this case it would presumably still be the same story).
@@thijsfb No, he’s absolutely correct. This is just another case of Hollywood ruining something good because of greed.
9:31 "Presence is felt most keenly in absence." What a heartbreakingly symbolic shot. Honestly, this entire series is such a sublime piece of art
Kodaiin (Daiyoin), the wife of Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko), was a wonderful woman who supported Hideyoshi's unification of Japan behind the scenes. Hideyoshi started as a farmer, became a warrior, and then unified the country. Although he never became Shogun, he is the most successful person in Japanese history.
However, Kodaiin (Daiyoin) had no children. That's why he took Yodo-dono (Ochiba no Kata) as a concubine. Yodo-dono (Ochiba no Kata) was the granddaughter of Oda Nobunaga, Hideyoshi's lord and a great man, and was a young, dignified beauty. She gave birth to two children for Hideyoshi (the first died of illness shortly after birth, and the second was Toyotomi Hideyori (Yaechiyo)).
Kodaiin was very generous as Hideyoshi's wife, supporting her husband and Yodo-dono (Ochiba-no-kata), and was loved by the vassals and other warlords due to her virtue. Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga) was also merciful to her.
In actual fact, she later became a nun and spent the rest of her life at Kodaiji Temple in the Higashiyama area of Kyoto. The temple still exists in Kyoto today, and you can visit the temple with its beautiful garden. The Higashiyama area of Kyoto, where Kodaiji Temple is located, has many charming streetscapes and is one of the famous tourist spots in Kyoto.
Incidentally, Kyoto has 17 UNESCO World Heritage Sites. This is because the emperor lived in Kyoto for a long time, and Kyoto was the capital of Japan at the time. Before that, Nara, famous for its deer, was the center of Japan. Furthermore, Osaka, where Osaka Castle is located, which was built by Toyotomi Hideyoshi (Taiko) when he took control of the country, Kyoto, and Nara are all adjacent to each other, making this a huge tourist area that combines Japan's ancient capitals, history, and cities.
In that context of helping your father commit seppuku, it is thousands of years of culture saying it is an honor. It would still be painful emotionally, but there is really no way for someone not being raised and living in that culture to understand how ingrained it is. Suicide because of dishonor is still a problem to this day in Japan, even after decades of trying to move way with it through education and governmental pushes. That is how ingrained it is.
And as far as Hiromatsu, he likely knew he was doing it as part of a charade, and he was doing it for his friend and Japan.
Allow me to keep recommending the 1980 series as well, the 9-10 hour version. It would probably be viewer disaster on here so I doubt it would be worth editing a reaction to it, but maybe watch it on your own time (because everyone has a lot of time hehe). Then maybe do a video where you talk about the differences between the old and new series, what you liked better etc, I would find that very interesting!
I second that idea
This new shogun is so much better than the old one that I just can’t see the point in her bothering.
@@Epistolary8 Opinions vary. 😊
Mary, you are the absolute best. Luv your channel
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The talk between Toranaga and Mariko after Hiromatsus death was a foreshadowing of the darkest kind especially after Marikos talk with Blackthorne on the meaning of loyalty.
I am going to be so sad when this is over because I have been enjoying these so much.
It got the Emmy this year!
My question is: would you take your own life for the purpose of greater plan? Would you ask your right hand man to take his life for greater plan?
i will never understand "winning (an argument) by SUICIDE"! 🥺 LOVE your reactions! 👍☺
Thanks, Mary! 🗾
Ya I have a hard time reading Ochiba No Kata when the Taiko's wife dies. Is it her having a moment of grief before the eight-fold fence goes up again or is she having an internal shift of some sort.
Buntaro was always in love with Mariko, but remember she thought the marriage was beneath her. He has been frustrated the whole time and Blackthorn's presence has made it worse.
😂 I'm going to eat a snack and watch the next one....
I share your fear about subsequent seasons untethered to the original novel. However, the ray of hope lies in seeing how well this production handled that source material and brought it to a life infused with the real history and culture it was based on. There is plenty of feudal Japanese history they can bring to life with the same sensibilities and attention to detail.
Man the acting in this...
"Picture yourself near a stream. Birds are softly chirping in the crisp, cool air. Nothing can bother you here. No one knows this secret place. You are in total seclusion from that place called "the world". The soothing sounds of the gentle stream fills the air with a cascade of serenity. The water is clear.
You can easily make out the face of the person whose head you're holding under the water." - an anonymous writer on the internet
Let's call that "shogan dark".
Let's call that "shogan dark".
Please continue with Star Trek
Omi may be even more Japanese than Toranaga. Smart. Secretive.