3:33 "Ajin-Dono" Dono translates to "Lord" or "Master". In the case of "Mariko-Dono" in 5:58, that translates to Lady Mariko. "Sama" is an honorific for an esteemed person. Saying Ishido-Sama is like saying "the honorable Ishido" or "the esteemed Ishido". "San" is an everyday replacement for Mr. and Ms. San is followed by some ones last name. San can also be used for animals. It's common to say uma-san (horse), ushi-san (cow), zou-san (elephant), etc., particularly when talking to children.
the Shinobi were there to capture Mariko, because Ishido could not let her to die or be killed without disgracing himself, so the plan was to capture her and contain her for the time till Toronaga would have to come to surrender. It is not very clear in the series and better explained in the book.
"Hell is no place I haven't already known, let it from your mind" .... what a fuggin great line. Anna Sawai gave an outstanding performance in this show. This show is a poem from start to end, beautiful.
Yes, everyone already knows they are prisoners, or at least they heavily suspect it, so they don't want to test it because of the possible consequences. But even though everyone implicitly knows, so far Ishido had a plausible response to give if anyone suggested otherwise "No one is a prisoner here, everyone is free to leave if they follow the norms of the city". and no one can say that isn't true, because no one has been willing to test it. The one regent who opposed him on a meeting ended up being murdered by "bandits", which sent a clear message. So there had to be one person who was willing to test it out in the open, in front of everyone, to make it impossible to deny. When Mariko did it, Ishido had to concede in the last moment, because letting her die would be admitting she is a prisoner. But he couldn't let her leave either, so he tried to have her kidnapped. That way she couldn't leave but also wouldn't die. He did that because if she died the night before leaving, everyone would suspect it was Ishido's doing, even if they couldn't prove it. But if she lived, then Ishido did nothing wrong on paper: he gave her a permit to leave, and she isn't dead. Mariko knew that, and when they came for her and it was obvious Ishido wouldn't let the prisoners leave, she knew she had to die during the attack, so that the right people would blame Ishido for her death.
So much is beautiful because it is transient, exclusive, or limited in quantity: life, emotions, friendships, etc. We all know this. But the Japanese of the show's time took it to such lengths. Mariko has to take off her cross (set aside her commitment to her faith), nearly die by her own hand, before she loosens up enough to make love with John again. Their final night is a safe space for everyone watching the story to breathe, before it takes a final plunge. We're all wanting these two to make it and retire to a home together. But flowers are only flowers when they fall...
While the complex chess game happening above John's head is spectacular, it was amazing seeing John fighting, if only a little, to protect the group and get them through the castle in the end. Being a sailor, he'd be used to fighting in the dark, in the close quarters of the underbelly of a ship, and I think some of his strength in that situation is shown in this short moment.
Mariko at the first competition against Ochiba, she says: ''While the snow remains, Veiled in the haze of cold evening, A leafless branch...'' At the second confrontation she said this time: ''Flowers are only flowers because they fall.'' I believe many educated people could translate better but I just wanna try it: Fallen leaves is Ochiba. A leafless branch is Mariko on the poem. Mariko wanted to say that at the first competition about her condition how she feels. While the snow remains means as long as bad people rule. Veiled in the haze of cold evening means that her heart still cold, away and resentful. Also last time they found Mariko in a cold evening lying down on the snow when she escaped. A leafless branch means she has no family no friends that she feels so alone even she misses Ochiba particularly. At the second conversation Ochiba opens her heart to Mariko that she misses her too but she also says cannot recognise Mariko anymore. And Ochiba accuses Mariko that Mariko wants to kill herself and leave her alone just like in that cold evening before. Then Mariko says: Accepting death isn't surrender. (Because Ochiba said surrendering is a pointless death. Ochina thinks that she has no power to kill herself and letting her son as an orphan) Finally Mariko says: ''Flowers are only flowers because they fall'' as a goodbye to her beloved friend. Its also encouragement and reminding Ochiba's capable power. Simply she says be like a flower and fall. That means brake the bonds with İshido like you did with me before. This is my understandings from these sentences.
The character of Mariko is based on a real woman named Hosokawa Gracia, who's jisei (death poem) reads: Only by knowing when to fall Do flowers become flowers And people become people 😢
I really appreciate your commentary. I read the book in the 70s and watched the 1980 series, watched this series twice and reread the book recently but your insights have added to it for me. I'm going to rewatch this series. It's that good.
Mariko's character is one of the bravest ever. Her death was devastating. When you mentioned the plans for 2nd and 3rd seasons, I didn't say anything because of this. The only way to have another season with Mariko, is if there is a prequel. How can you have Shogun without Anna Sawai?
Mariko was pretty sure she´d never leave Osaka alive. It was about getting the hostages (for that is what they were) out of Osaka - THAT was CRIMSON SKY. A plan to devide Ishido from the other daimyos and thus keep up Toranagas chance to get rid of Ishido. All the other plans when or where there would be battle covered this up.
Unless you are being sarcastic the shinobi weren't trying to kill Mariko they were trying to capture her. Ishido couldn't outright kill her as all the noble families would revolt. They couldn't let her go as all the other hostages would demand to leave so he chose a middle road; have her kidnapped by "bandits" so she is alive but sidelined bringing the other hostages to heel.
Yes he is but he's not a cartoon, a one dimensional brute. He is angry and cruel but he also in his own way loves Mariko but he can't understand why she won't love him because he saved her from death and gave her what he considers a good life so he lashes out in frustration. He is a talented and loyal warrior but he lacks any introspection on Mariko's motives.
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3:33 "Ajin-Dono" Dono translates to "Lord" or "Master". In the case of "Mariko-Dono" in 5:58, that translates to Lady Mariko. "Sama" is an honorific for an esteemed person. Saying Ishido-Sama is like saying "the honorable Ishido" or "the esteemed Ishido". "San" is an everyday replacement for Mr. and Ms. San is followed by some ones last name. San can also be used for animals. It's common to say uma-san (horse), ushi-san (cow), zou-san (elephant), etc., particularly when talking to children.
the Shinobi were there to capture Mariko, because Ishido could not let her to die or be killed without disgracing himself, so the plan was to capture her and contain her for the time till Toronaga would have to come to surrender. It is not very clear in the series and better explained in the book.
"Hell is no place I haven't already known, let it from your mind" .... what a fuggin great line. Anna Sawai gave an outstanding performance in this show. This show is a poem from start to end, beautiful.
this episode CRUSHES ME! 😢 enjoyed your reaction 👍
Yes, everyone already knows they are prisoners, or at least they heavily suspect it, so they don't want to test it because of the possible consequences. But even though everyone implicitly knows, so far Ishido had a plausible response to give if anyone suggested otherwise "No one is a prisoner here, everyone is free to leave if they follow the norms of the city". and no one can say that isn't true, because no one has been willing to test it. The one regent who opposed him on a meeting ended up being murdered by "bandits", which sent a clear message.
So there had to be one person who was willing to test it out in the open, in front of everyone, to make it impossible to deny. When Mariko did it, Ishido had to concede in the last moment, because letting her die would be admitting she is a prisoner. But he couldn't let her leave either, so he tried to have her kidnapped. That way she couldn't leave but also wouldn't die. He did that because if she died the night before leaving, everyone would suspect it was Ishido's doing, even if they couldn't prove it. But if she lived, then Ishido did nothing wrong on paper: he gave her a permit to leave, and she isn't dead.
Mariko knew that, and when they came for her and it was obvious Ishido wouldn't let the prisoners leave, she knew she had to die during the attack, so that the right people would blame Ishido for her death.
No, dono is not disrepectful. Its polite thats used for a subordinate where sama is used for superiors. Anjin is his lower.
So much is beautiful because it is transient, exclusive, or limited in quantity: life, emotions, friendships, etc. We all know this. But the Japanese of the show's time took it to such lengths. Mariko has to take off her cross (set aside her commitment to her faith), nearly die by her own hand, before she loosens up enough to make love with John again. Their final night is a safe space for everyone watching the story to breathe, before it takes a final plunge. We're all wanting these two to make it and retire to a home together. But flowers are only flowers when they fall...
While the complex chess game happening above John's head is spectacular, it was amazing seeing John fighting, if only a little, to protect the group and get them through the castle in the end. Being a sailor, he'd be used to fighting in the dark, in the close quarters of the underbelly of a ship, and I think some of his strength in that situation is shown in this short moment.
Mariko at the first competition against Ochiba, she says:
''While the snow remains,
Veiled in the haze of cold evening,
A leafless branch...''
At the second confrontation she said this time:
''Flowers are only flowers because they fall.''
I believe many educated people could translate better but I just wanna try it: Fallen leaves is Ochiba. A leafless branch is Mariko on the poem.
Mariko wanted to say that at the first competition about her condition how she feels. While the snow remains means as long as bad people rule. Veiled in the haze of cold evening means that her heart still cold, away and resentful. Also last time they found Mariko in a cold evening lying down on the snow when she escaped. A leafless branch means she has no family no friends that she feels so alone even she misses Ochiba particularly.
At the second conversation Ochiba opens her heart to Mariko that she misses her too but she also says cannot recognise Mariko anymore. And Ochiba accuses Mariko that Mariko wants to kill herself and leave her alone just like in that cold evening before.
Then Mariko says: Accepting death isn't surrender. (Because Ochiba said surrendering is a pointless death. Ochina thinks that she has no power to kill herself and letting her son as an orphan)
Finally Mariko says: ''Flowers are only flowers because they fall'' as a goodbye to her beloved friend. Its also encouragement and reminding Ochiba's capable power. Simply she says be like a flower and fall. That means brake the bonds with İshido like you did with me before.
This is my understandings from these sentences.
20:50 I guess you had to ask yourself, "how close am I to this friend I'm supposed to plan a party for?" xD
"I could do one more episode ... "
The character of Mariko is based on a real woman named Hosokawa Gracia, who's jisei (death poem) reads:
Only by knowing when to fall
Do flowers become flowers
And people become people
😢
I really appreciate your commentary. I read the book in the 70s and watched the 1980 series, watched this series twice and reread the book recently but your insights have added to it for me. I'm going to rewatch this series. It's that good.
Thank you, Mary! 🗾
The hairstyles were actually trends. Not required, and didn't signify anything in particular.
Please wait until I have fallen... (like the flower)
Mariko's character is one of the bravest ever. Her death was devastating. When you mentioned the plans for 2nd and 3rd seasons, I didn't say anything because of this. The only way to have another season with Mariko, is if there is a prequel. How can you have Shogun without Anna Sawai?
Mariko was pretty sure she´d never leave Osaka alive. It was about getting the hostages (for that is what they were) out of Osaka - THAT was CRIMSON SKY. A plan to devide Ishido from the other daimyos and thus keep up Toranagas chance to get rid of Ishido. All the other plans when or where there would be battle covered this up.
12:47 'the stare'.
Concluding surprising drama in episode 10.
Poor Shinobis trying to kill Mariko by forcefully hugging her in the middle of slice and dice fest. They even had two guys for the task.
Unless you are being sarcastic the shinobi weren't trying to kill Mariko they were trying to capture her. Ishido couldn't outright kill her as all the noble families would revolt. They couldn't let her go as all the other hostages would demand to leave so he chose a middle road; have her kidnapped by "bandits" so she is alive but sidelined bringing the other hostages to heel.
@@ronweber1402 You weren't sure after reading "hugging"?
Dono is an honorific and roughly means lord.
But does not necessarily imply noble status. It is considered a higher level of respect than -sama.
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*************was Nacho literally partly based on Yabu tho? the similarities are nuts
how about, cosmo jarvis as wolverine
Nice catch, she wants to live for Blackthorne and not for her husband.
Please continue with Star Trek. 🙏🏻
Buntaro is not a brute.
Yes he is but he's not a cartoon, a one dimensional brute. He is angry and cruel but he also in his own way loves Mariko but he can't understand why she won't love him because he saved her from death and gave her what he considers a good life so he lashes out in frustration. He is a talented and loyal warrior but he lacks any introspection on Mariko's motives.
Anyone who gets drunk and beats someone up for any other reason than self defense is a brute.