Basically Toranaga is pretending to be weak sick defeated and have no will to fight post his sons death. The problem is that Toranaga is known for being crafty and always having a plan up his sleeve so his allies don’t believe he’s finished and keep waiting for his plan or his trick to get out of this situation and win. If his allies believe he’s faking it and has a plan up his sleeve than of course so do the spies flip floppers like Yabushige and his enemies so they won’t have their guard down and keep watching for anything suspicious until he’s dead. So In order to fully deceive his enemies he must first deceive his allies and it’s the death of his closest friend and ally Hiromatsu dying while failing to stop Toranaga from surrendering that makes everyone believe he’s truly given up, after that you see Yabushige the crafty one always trying to play on the winning side want to leave Toranaga which is how he knows the trick has worked on everyone.
this is the correct answer. toranaga originally got sick on purpose and was going to use his "illness" as the ploy. but when his son died, he had to adapt. hiromatsu figured out what tornaga was actually doing, during their back and forth. it was the final way for him to be useful to his lord and oldest friend. with hiromatsu's act, everything then proceeded as toranaga had originally intended.
BTW, Edo is now known as Tokyo, the castle that Toronaga (Tokugawa) is building is now the Imperial Palace and yes there was a Cathedral built in Edo not long after these events
Hiromatsu called an audible, the original plan was for the disloyal generals to commit sepuku, Hiromatsu took an opportunity to save them and still show Osaka that Toronaga had "given up", notice the look they give each other just before Hiromatsu says " so you do believe in a pointless death"
I actually felt sorry for him even though I did not want to. To have what Mariko said cut him to the core and then having to asist his father in seppuku is a lot to process.
@@Dizzyruptor It's a testament to how good of an actor Shinnosuke Abe is and also the writing not boiling Buntaro down to just being a one-dimensional side character.
Mariko has been against marriage since day one. She said that the alliance with the Toda clan was worthless (ep. 6). When Ochiba reminded he that her father (Akechi Jinsai) loved her very much, she said "then he should have married me better". Buntaro showed her compassion yet she threw everything back to his face. I am pretty sure over the years that could make him bitter. I am not saying Mariko deserved the way she was treated but it goes both ways.
@@pangkaji the marriage was a mutual dislike for each other. Mariko despised the Toda clan and Buntaro held grudge against her that her father was a traitor. The series does its best to explain their complicated relationship over the course of the 10 episodes but Buntaro gets a lot of unnecessary hate from the audience. Not saying that hitting his wife was warranted in any way, but there's a reason why the two ended up in the situation they were in. Kind of reminds me of Bill Burr's "No reason to hit a woman" stand up bit.
One of the thing that annoys me not about yall but many reactors is how they think Toranaga does not care about anyone lol. On the contrary. Every sacrifice made holds incredible weight for him as shown in the last scene where he vows over the ashes of his dead family to make sure their deaths were not in vain.
17:02 This scene really shows how far John has come. In the beginning he literally refused to take a bath, now he’s disgusted at the mere sight of his old shipmates reminding him of the way he used to live
You’d think the priest would be happy with his new neighbors. After all, he’s in the business of saving sinners, and there’s plenty of sinners around a red-light district.
“It’s the jokes that carry on” hit me so hard. Y’all really are the best reaction channel out there, it took me a hot minute to get Torenaga’s putting the church next to the courtesans as a power move from him. You’ll be so satisfied with the last episode.
Must feel like absolute victory to have the Queen Mother bow before you, your main rival ready to surrender to you and have the whole council of regents on your side
This episode is the heaviest yet can't wait to see EP9 - CRIMSON SKY! 25:39 When the shows Underscores certain text it means a substantial detail. Recall way back in EP1 "Anjin", Hiromatsu shares that Usami's (Fuji San's husband, the one that gave the outburst & spoke out of line) was reckless to which Toranaga replies "No - he does not approve of all this pointless death." He is held hostage but doing so will not give a reason the armies of 4 regents to wage war against one..which is fruitless death. Then, in EP6 "ladies of the willow world" Hiromatsu suggested to put into action ' Crimson Sky ' with Omi San adding that "they still have time" and to risk it and rush in with an attack. His last line was "find me a plan that isn't certain death" - there will be NO CRIMSON SKY. Lastly & faithfully - after all the facade that has been building up about his health, Hiromatsu says " So you *do* believe in pointless death". Essential the lie was bought in blood and his friend made the sacrifice to make it believable.
3:12 Some advice for all you young guys out there. If the woman you are trying to talk to at the bar looks at you like this.....give up. The game is over
Hiromatsu was such an easy to love character, I really felt that one when it happened. Probably the saddest death of the series but definitely closely followed by a few characters
13:44 "I struggle to remember". Mariko has been dishonest to Buntaro from the beginning. Her father married her off to the Toda clan to save her. However, in Ep. 6 she said to Ochiba "The alliance with the Toda clan is worthless". When Ochiba said that her father loves her very much, her response was "Then he should have married me better". She has been against the marriage (and him) since day one. I am not saying she deserved to get abused. Think about it from Buntaro's side. He has shown compassion yet she throws everything back to his face. Over time I can see how he became bitter
We have seen how he treats Mariko and you dislike her? Of course she hates his guts, he beats and abuses her and probably has their entire marriage. Yeesh.
Their relationship is a tragedy. You realize Mariko's entire family was executed and she lives with being considered a traitor. Is also n an arranged marriage with an abuser.
This episode in the next episode just really turn me off to the whole story I just I'm just not interested anymore I could care less like I had a great start and then it just kind of it's almost like they didn't know what they were going to do with it and they just half-assed it until they found something that worked like it's just not a great story anymore just kind of sucks
Well it’s based on the book and this episode was quite different but episode 9 is pretty true to the original story. In the book, Mariko is down for the suicide pact but Buntaro says they have to fulfil their duty. Nagakado doesn’t die, but it’s hard to film the actual story there because it’s mostly stalling and politicking. Hiromatsu doesn’t die but two others do. However, that wouldn’t have any emotional impact on the show audience because we don’t know those characters. I can see why they went this way. It’s more visual than the direction the book goes from the meeting with Toranaga’s brother.
@@rzrshrk7883 they lost the narrative thread that's what I should have said instead of just talking so damn much but I understand there's more books you know and I'm still going to watch it I just something in these episodes. I'll still watch the second season you know and hopefully it grabs my interest again or it won't know probably not watch season 3 if there is one.
@@lothsper there’s only one book for this story and season 1 covered it completely. Clavell’s other Asian Saga books don’t follow these characters, so seasons 2 & 3 of the show will be an original work
Hey girls, since you kind of asked: "Edo" - Toranaga's city, is what became today's Tokyo .
Yep without Toranaga (Tokugawa), Tokyo would never have existed
Built on a floodplain, aka a glorified swamp.
Toronaga didn't plan or want either Nagakado or Hiromatsu to die, but like any Chess Master, he plays the board as it lies
You can’t plan for every eventuality in the long term. Yoy can have a long term goal, and work your way towards it by reacting to the world around you
Basically Toranaga is pretending to be weak sick defeated and have no will to fight post his sons death. The problem is that Toranaga is known for being crafty and always having a plan up his sleeve so his allies don’t believe he’s finished and keep waiting for his plan or his trick to get out of this situation and win. If his allies believe he’s faking it and has a plan up his sleeve than of course so do the spies flip floppers like Yabushige and his enemies so they won’t have their guard down and keep watching for anything suspicious until he’s dead. So In order to fully deceive his enemies he must first deceive his allies and it’s the death of his closest friend and ally Hiromatsu dying while failing to stop Toranaga from surrendering that makes everyone believe he’s truly given up, after that you see Yabushige the crafty one always trying to play on the winning side want to leave Toranaga which is how he knows the trick has worked on everyone.
this is the correct answer.
toranaga originally got sick on purpose and was going to use his "illness" as the ploy. but when his son died, he had to adapt. hiromatsu figured out what tornaga was actually doing, during their back and forth. it was the final way for him to be useful to his lord and oldest friend. with hiromatsu's act, everything then proceeded as toranaga had originally intended.
BTW, Edo is now known as Tokyo, the castle that Toronaga (Tokugawa) is building is now the Imperial Palace and yes there was a Cathedral built in Edo not long after these events
Hiromatsu called an audible, the original plan was for the disloyal generals to commit sepuku, Hiromatsu took an opportunity to save them and still show Osaka that Toronaga had "given up", notice the look they give each other just before Hiromatsu says " so you do believe in a pointless death"
This was not Buntaro's day
I actually felt sorry for him even though I did not want to. To have what Mariko said cut him to the core and then having to asist his father in seppuku is a lot to process.
@@Dizzyruptor It's a testament to how good of an actor Shinnosuke Abe is and also the writing not boiling Buntaro down to just being a one-dimensional side character.
Mariko has been against marriage since day one. She said that the alliance with the Toda clan was worthless (ep. 6). When Ochiba reminded he that her father (Akechi Jinsai) loved her very much, she said "then he should have married me better". Buntaro showed her compassion yet she threw everything back to his face. I am pretty sure over the years that could make him bitter. I am not saying Mariko deserved the way she was treated but it goes both ways.
@@pangkaji the marriage was a mutual dislike for each other. Mariko despised the Toda clan and Buntaro held grudge against her that her father was a traitor. The series does its best to explain their complicated relationship over the course of the 10 episodes but Buntaro gets a lot of unnecessary hate from the audience. Not saying that hitting his wife was warranted in any way, but there's a reason why the two ended up in the situation they were in. Kind of reminds me of Bill Burr's "No reason to hit a woman" stand up bit.
The Sepukku scene is my favourite scene in the entire show. What brilliant acting...
The way she translates for him is so beautiful. She takes his words and truthfully and honestly translates what they mean.
21:25 Toranaga really did them dirty. The courtesans deserve better neighbors. 😆
The courtesans have business and the courtesans spy for Toranaga. It was more strategic than that.
I dunno seems pretty convenient. Bang a hooker and then head to confession next morning 😜
@@SutekhDaSteemroller The joke whooshed over your head.
Toranaga's voice crack wrecks me everytime
One of the thing that annoys me not about yall but many reactors is how they think Toranaga does not care about anyone lol. On the contrary. Every sacrifice made holds incredible weight for him as shown in the last scene where he vows over the ashes of his dead family to make sure their deaths were not in vain.
I saw first time Tadanobu Asano in a movie called ''Mongol''. He is great actor.
17:02 This scene really shows how far John has come. In the beginning he literally refused to take a bath, now he’s disgusted at the mere sight of his old shipmates reminding him of the way he used to live
Tears will be shed.😢
Episode by episode this show just keeps ramping up the intensity.
Ladies Get your tissues.
Dang....had me going the whole time too. Hes really playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.
He realised that if he didn't do this, all his important generals would do it.
the music and fits in the show are incredible
You’d think the priest would be happy with his new neighbors. After all, he’s in the business of saving sinners, and there’s plenty of sinners around a red-light district.
Hiromatsu willing to sacrifice himself for Toranaga's plan to keep Japan from tearing itself apart.
“It’s the jokes that carry on” hit me so hard. Y’all really are the best reaction channel out there, it took me a hot minute to get Torenaga’s putting the church next to the courtesans as a power move from him. You’ll be so satisfied with the last episode.
Must feel like absolute victory to have the Queen Mother bow before you, your main rival ready to surrender to you and have the whole council of regents on your side
Yeah, feelsgoodman
Moments right before disaster
This episode is the heaviest yet can't wait to see EP9 - CRIMSON SKY!
25:39 When the shows Underscores certain text it means a substantial detail. Recall way back in EP1 "Anjin", Hiromatsu shares that Usami's (Fuji San's husband, the one that gave the outburst & spoke out of line) was reckless to which Toranaga replies "No - he does not approve of all this pointless death." He is held hostage but doing so will not give a reason the armies of 4 regents to wage war against one..which is fruitless death.
Then, in EP6 "ladies of the willow world" Hiromatsu suggested to put into action ' Crimson Sky ' with Omi San adding that "they still have time" and to risk it and rush in with an attack. His last line was "find me a plan that isn't certain death" - there will be NO CRIMSON SKY.
Lastly & faithfully - after all the facade that has been building up about his health, Hiromatsu says " So you *do* believe in pointless death". Essential the lie was bought in blood and his friend made the sacrifice to make it believable.
I don't think they're ready for what's next.
It only gets better! In a Japanese Shogun way ;-)
You guys should definitely check out memoirs of a geisha. I think you will absolutely love it!
Was not expecting a Project Pat reference during a Shogun reaction, but I digg it! 😂
海外の方に、その時代の当時の武士や侍の精神、思考が理解出来るのか？？？
理解出来るか？
コレが侍、武士だ
実際に行われた事だ
10:23 Hope that sushi wasn't too salty after watching this episode.
next episode will destroy them….
Toranaga really said: “Perish.”
Toranaga (Tokugawa) eventually expelled the Christian missionaries from Japan some years after the battle of Sekigahara
I think it was one of his successors.
It was a Tokugawa, just not Ieyasu, one of his sons or grandsons expelled all the Catholics, the Tokugawa Shogunate lasted for 260 years
3:12 Some advice for all you young guys out there. If the woman you are trying to talk to at the bar looks at you like this.....give up. The game is over
I wish I could subscribe to Maple's intrusive thoughts 🤣
Hiromatsu was such an easy to love character, I really felt that one when it happened.
Probably the saddest death of the series but definitely closely followed by a few characters
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It’s much better in the book anyway. They shouldn’t have change this part
13:44 "I struggle to remember". Mariko has been dishonest to Buntaro from the beginning. Her father married her off to the Toda clan to save her. However, in Ep. 6 she said to Ochiba "The alliance with the Toda clan is worthless". When Ochiba said that her father loves her very much, her response was "Then he should have married me better". She has been against the marriage (and him) since day one. I am not saying she deserved to get abused. Think about it from Buntaro's side. He has shown compassion yet she throws everything back to his face. Over time I can see how he became bitter
oh its gonna be rough from here on
文化の違いから理解出来ない事が多い事でしょう。
I kinda dislike mariko and root for buntaro
I mean I can see it, but have to assume dude was not cool even in the early days and would try to be nice every so often to make up for it
We have seen how he treats Mariko and you dislike her? Of course she hates his guts, he beats and abuses her and probably has their entire marriage. Yeesh.
Their relationship is a tragedy. You realize Mariko's entire family was executed and she lives with being considered a traitor. Is also n an arranged marriage with an abuser.
This episode in the next episode just really turn me off to the whole story I just I'm just not interested anymore I could care less like I had a great start and then it just kind of it's almost like they didn't know what they were going to do with it and they just half-assed it until they found something that worked like it's just not a great story anymore just kind of sucks
Well it’s based on the book and this episode was quite different but episode 9 is pretty true to the original story.
In the book, Mariko is down for the suicide pact but Buntaro says they have to fulfil their duty.
Nagakado doesn’t die, but it’s hard to film the actual story there because it’s mostly stalling and politicking.
Hiromatsu doesn’t die but two others do. However, that wouldn’t have any emotional impact on the show audience because we don’t know those characters.
I can see why they went this way. It’s more visual than the direction the book goes from the meeting with Toranaga’s brother.
@@rzrshrk7883 they lost the narrative thread that's what I should have said instead of just talking so damn much but I understand there's more books you know and I'm still going to watch it I just something in these episodes. I'll still watch the second season you know and hopefully it grabs my interest again or it won't know probably not watch season 3 if there is one.
@@lothsper there’s only one book for this story and season 1 covered it completely. Clavell’s other Asian Saga books don’t follow these characters, so seasons 2 & 3 of the show will be an original work