Hay All, A few Updates At 4:27 I state Blheli32 runs on 16 bit mcu, I misspoke and its 32bit as shown in the chart and stated later. Please accept my apology on the talko error. The BLHeli_32 Situation Hi everyone after a load of questions I thought I would share some concise info as well as answer some of the questions I have received.
Today the situation is the developer behind BLHeli_32 has decided to cease trading with immediate affect and will no longer continue to provided licensing of new product based on BLHeli_32. My understanding of the process for this was each esc was licensed by the manufacturer as it was flashed and then that esc remained licensed for its life. This license was not transferable or purchasable by end users and the manufacturer of the esc payed the license on a per unit basis. As such as of now no manufacturers can license any further production of ESCs with BLHeli_32 firmware. Technically as I understand it manufactures could actually flash new ESCs with BLHeli_32 however without the license the end user would have no access to BLHeli Suite configurator or the ability to change settings. You would be stuck with a stock ESC. There is a lot of other unknowns on this route and it would also be going against the conditions of the BLHeli_32 license regardless of them stopping trading. Here and now the situation is this only affects new esc manufacturing that was going to use BLHeli_32. Current Users For users of ESCs currently flashed with BLHeli_32 nothing has changed. Your esc will still work as it did before. You also still have the ability to download BLHeli Suit and even update the esc firmware (for now at least.) Your ESC will continue to work as it did before and there is zero need to take any action on your current purchased BLHeli_32 based products. Today there is also likely a decent stock of pre-licensed BLHeli_ 32 ESC in the retail supply chain around the world and it’s safe to purchase these as it’s the same as any esc you already own. This stock will obviously start to dwindle fast as there is no new production however there is no known risk today purchasing existing stock. It’s also worth noting that ESCs running BLHeli_S are not affected by this as that is open source and no license is required. The Future Moving forward It’s very likely you will start to see manufactures move 8 Bit ESC production over to Bluejay from BLHeli_S simply as it’s easier to market them as an alternative to BLheli_32 with RPM filtering ect. 32Bit ESCs will continue and AM32 is the natural path forward with a number of manufacture such as Skystars already being well onboard with a number of AM32 products in the market place already. For others not already in the AM32 stable it may take a little time for things to settle as they look at their options and new products to filter through as manufactures, I suspect personally there will be a scramble to get onboard with the AM32 project but again this is down to each manufacturer to decide what they do next. The options are fairly limited but let’s see. Today no one needs to rush out and do anything, your current gear will work fine. There is zero need to try and flash your esc with AM32 and in-fact I would strongly advice against it as it’s a complicated process with some risks. BLheli_32 was very much the go to for manufactures and users for a number of reasons however that does not mean it was the best option. This will be a blip in the road however it will be better for FPV in the long run as it gives a big push for ESCs back into the open source world. On a final note. There is a lot of comments on why this has happened and as I stated in my video I would have preferred to have seen BLHeli_32 open sourced rather than closed down however it should be remembered that this is the work of a company, it’s closed source and their IP, their time and effort has gone into this and just saying to open source is is a massive over simplification of the situation. We do not know the full background to this change of direction and the developer involved may have been left with no choice but do what has been done. It’s complex on many levels and while we all have opinions we should remember that the world has changed a lot in the last few years and the drone industry is feeling the heat from many directions and this one of the biggest signs of that yet. Sadly I also think it’s not going to be the last. Mad
Dude, you are such a huge asset to this hobby. Can't thank you enough for what you do to keep us all informed and up to date. You're certainly one of the best representatives of the FPV community, in my opinion.
I think AM32 is a good choice for new development of ESCs, in the future. BTW, I notice some semicondutor company like Geehy Semiconductor can offer the total solution for ESC, based on AM32 platform. Highlight cost-effective solution, comes with the MCU and pre-driver together. I'm going to try and test their solution.👍
Their reason for finishing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Blheli_32 is performance software. Which has great benefit for the RC hobby. While anyone using an ESC for a one-way trip etc. Will surely use the cheapest software and hardware available.
@@FATSNAIL-FPVthey don’t you must be thinking of ur cheap self. Armies don’t waste money on trash Russia and UKr are using the best of the best and toying with ppl before killing them
Honestly blheli32 is being waaaay to conservative here, if ESC software which can be used in drones is considered weapons export then so can raw steel 🙄
Sounds like this is a regulation in NORWAY/EU. For the USA we have ITAR. I'm sure they've spoken with lawyers. Regulation making you close your business down is not an easy thing, folks. They were selling licenses, besides development costs that is like printing free money. Have some sympathy for them.
Thank you sir! Im so glad we have people like you and Bardwell to keep us updated with the latest fpv news. There's an incredible amount of great information that you two have shared with the world and will be available forever.
Very strange situation indeed. Normally IP assets (including license agreements) usually go to the creditors, shareholders, or other stakeholders when a business shuts down. These assets could also be sold, licensed, or abandoned (i.e., become part of the public domain). If the business did shut down, without being sold, then would be effectively abandoned, as a non-existent business would not be able to enforce. I'm not legal expert, just my understanding. Lawyers would need to review the license agreement(s) to understand the implementations. It may not necessary be what BL_Heli_32 owner(s) have implied in their communications. Just a weird situation. Regardless, the sudden notification without consideration to the impact to hobby community is justification to seek alternative open-source software to have a dependency on.
Military complex is pissed off because armies won't buy their freaking expensive weapons because drones are million times cheaper and do basically the same thing or even better than their crazy super stuff so they have no business any more ?? ;P :P :P
Funny enough I ended up updating my BlHeli_32 just 2 weeks ago after I noticed the version I was running wouldn't let me change my motor direction using the Motor Wizard in the Betaflight configurator.😅
I was just about to add this, but thought I would check if someone else did and you beat me to it. I wonder why Escape32 does not get more attention in the FPV world. It is getting some attention in the RC crawler world.
@@IanBeaty - and it's at least 10 times more responsive than any other option mentioned here. I guess these influencers will always push things they have something to gain from, rather than bringing all the good options into the picture, so we can decide what works the best. _"...time to back AM32..."_ almost like _"...don't even look at anything else besides it..."_ thingie is tiring...
Bold claim 😱 But yeah, hard move 😳 I thought, well it can be downloaded, so at least we have the last version, but manufacturers need to license every controller and now they can’t anymore…
the first fpv related purchase i can find in my e-mails was 2017. i had been following developements for a few years at that point already. seeing the advancements in esc firmware was really cool. while it's somewhat sad to see blheli32 go away, i don't think i've ever used an esc running that firmware. i mostly built micros up to the point where am32 was released and then jumped straight to that when i built a larger quad. am32 is better anyways ;)
I seem to remember a weird issue with updating and changing ESC firmware because a certificate expired. I think the configurator requires a connection to the internet for at least some functionality and that could possibly break soon. I did make changes last night and it was still working.
Open sourcing it properly would take some time. They may choose to do that. Though if they are scared to sell it, they may also be scared to provide it open source. Despite the exemptions for open source in the export laws. They probably legally could, but they may be afraid to take that risk. We shall see. We don't actually know yet - in a week or two or three they may have an open source presence set up.
@@AdamWeatherall Well, well, the air traffic controller of cringe has decided to chime in. How about you stick to ground control and let the pilots handle their altitude as long as its not hurting anyone, eh? Cheers, mate.
@@yei3456 this is your air traffic controller from across the pond , pilot vs pilot = cringe, I didn’t create the facts, I just know them, cheers mate. Fair skies to all of you.
Back in 2007 I had a HV brushless ESC made and I stopped it due to receiving an e-mail from a entity here in the US that I didn't want my ESC going in to. Now the ESC was made for vehicle use only, but the original version was for aircraft. This is the main reason I only stick to R/C surface use only. BLHeli should've implemented a kill switch to their firmware knowing too well drones are being used in such manner.
I just got my first drone with Bluejay already running the ESC. My other drone has BLHeli32. My question is, should I flash my other drone with Bluejay? If I do, will it affect my Betaflight settings?
Chances are releasing it as open source is still in violation of the export controls regulations and would be prosecuted equally to the selling of it without traceability.
Just a thought, if the issue is export to Russia, then making it open source would be a violation same as continuing production. A solution to this would be to start charging, and only accept friendly credit cards.
Remember this hashtag #ruiningthehobby ? I'm disgusted. One has to imagine that BLHeli AS is going to stay in the business but with military contracts rather than hobyists. The decent thing to do would be to release the code under an open license so as not to leave all of their customers high and dry, but. BLHeli AS needs - as a minimum - to release unlocked versions of their firmware binaries so people who have supported them can continue to use the products they have paid for. Current stock may be fine - as long as it doesn't have a buggy version. The firmeware upgrader goes off to some licence server. TBH I have the same fears about Flydurino/KISS, Fettec/Alpha and KISSFCFC/KISS Ultra. I would like to see all propietary firmware/hardware manufacturers to commit to some kind of succession plan - such as a commitment to open source code/designs in the event the companies can not for whaetver reason continue with their products. I have payed a considerable premium to support from the KIss family and BLHeli32. I feel like those organisations should support their users.
Discontinued BLHeli.. *You did say it'll continue to work/don't worry. Can i still tune and use betaflight esc settings/speedybee esc configurator/tune? Ie.. are all my features going to continue to work for all my spare blheli32s and bls's im staring at in boxes? Can i keep using blheli escs with future bf updates? Are my spares going to continue to work? Sorry, I know you said dont worry, Im just looking at a new unbuilt cine and 5" spares that has taken years of work... Thanks for keeping me informed.
You wont as nothing is published publicly other than the Skystars message on their Facebook group. On Friday afternoon BLHeli emailed all of its customers with the email shown in the video. This has then leaked to the public. BLHeli have not released any public statement around this matter however it’s been confirmed as correct by multiple manufacturers and some messages though 3rd parties to them. It is 100% correct. .
@@MadRC I wasn’t implying it to be false news, I just thought that for something like this there should be some public announcement somewhere but apparently isn’t.
did anybody have the message error "Found multiple ESC configurantion" and couldn't flash or anything? My FPV motor is getting really hot and the battery drain is really quick. I don´t believe it´s only PID, because of the error above and my fpv also don´t play that standard "music" when lipo is connected.
EU doing Russia restrictions but in reality are restrictons of all the world instead of Russia , i hope the someone stop this mess! As my grandfather said, those who want too much get nothing, thanks blheli32
And of course one of my esc aren't being recognized and I have to reflash my 4-1 and i cant. I hope they come up with a solution because as of now I havea brand new esc that I can't use!!! Bullshit!!!
Tbh of your esc is not being recognised I suspect there may be a hardware issue. If none of the 4 are showing something is either wrong with the Fc connection or the esc its self
Asking the owners to open source it is a stretch. I do understand where the community come from, but imagine the developers have spent thousands of hours into the project. Luckily there are alternatives.
Not really a stretch. There are many cases were companies released their software to public domain after they were done with it. It's a way to keep software alive and thriving. One of the biggest one that comes in to my mind are the id tech game engines, of which many many modern game engines were/are based on.
they've spent thousands of hours to just throw it down the drain then? they don't lose anything except the IP which is worth nothing if they simply close it down and don't sell it to anyone else
I would agree with you if they were able to make profit off it. This is like them just putting the ip in storage and never touching it again. It ain't making money in storage. If that's the case then why not open it?
Unfortunately they can't open source it right now because of export concerns. All regulatory frameworks concerning export of arms consider publishing source code a form of export. This is why Ardupilot devs are adamant about not supporting military uses. IMHO BLHeli_32 devs are trying to be more Catholic than the Pope, but given harsh punishments for export violations it isn't that surprising.
Open sourcing it would be akin to continuing development. The whole ordeal would have been a pointless exercise for them. I can’t blame them. Their software is being used to commit war crimes on injured soldiers. It’s a damn shame.
My first experience with AM32 was unfortunately a pretty bad experience. Skystars KM55A stack. I believe I received a defective unit but it took me hours to eliminate every other possibility and a month after buying it to go into one of my builds I still havent been able to fly even after dropping it off at the shop I bought it from. Luckily I’ve got my BLs and older 32 Builds still kicking! I’m willing to give them another go but I’m going to wait till it’s a bit more mainstream
@@MadRC I'm excited to see where it can go. I've been running ELRS since the early days and it has been awesome seeing the ridiculous progress thanks to the amazing community. Thanks for the video!
@@blitzvinnigFPV Yeah, unforunately in my case it was the only option avalible in 20x20 in my country. To be fair during the process of trouble shooting I was pretty impressed with the FCs build quality under close inspection with a magnifying setup and the flashy red heatsink was cool to see in person for the first time. It was very ceap for an F7 stack. The one Chris Rosser tested performed pretty well though
@camdynkellett6782 yeah, but I dont trust their QC as far as I can chuck it, I agree the build quality looks superb and they are cheap, but as soon as you start using them they have endless crap
Im fine with bluejay, but they need the stop useing drones in wars and LET US KEEP OUR HOBBY (Jobs) a life. Because our hobby is now in danger, first the registration bllsht and now this what will happen next? Im in this fpv world since 2014 and i hope it will not die throught some war because the goverment dont even like drones in the first place, and now there useing it for wars and not for fotographic anymore!!
So does this mean all BLHeli firmwares are dead, including BLHeli_S? It's an odd decision to make when it won't stop the use of BLHeli (the firmware is already out there) and the alternate is something open source that the EU have even less control over. It's like saying 'you have to stop making car tyres' because RU happened to use them instead of making their own. Now that means they can/will just use another brand or make their own relatively easily. So all that is achieved is that you siphon less money away from RU and you lose your chance to have firmware level access to every RU drone in the air. Genuis 🙄
I’m not sure the licensing is actually that much of a factor in cost. I have been told some numbers I won’t share but it was much lower than I was expecting
Very interesting and disappointing. However lots of options still available But a bit more writing on the wall regarding the hobby......perhaps!?!? The future is uncertain
Norway sanctioned Russia, and BLHELI AS, the company that makes the BLheli_32 firmware, cannot be certain that the firmware isn’t being used by Russia. Thus they’ve just stopped licensing the firmware worldwide to comply with the sanctions. Nonsensical, really.
@@Hornet135 thanks for sharing. Yeah it does not feel nice when hobby projects get caught up in this. I have two blheli32 esc which I can’t upgrade now.
Ukraine is BS. It's a power-grab by the EUSSR. They've been gagging to get control of Ukraine for decades. Biden wanted war to bury his Burisma corruption.
Hay All, A few Updates
At 4:27 I state Blheli32 runs on 16 bit mcu, I misspoke and its 32bit as shown in the chart and stated later. Please accept my apology on the talko error.
The BLHeli_32 Situation
Hi everyone after a load of questions I thought I would share some concise info as well as answer some of the questions I have received.
Today the situation is the developer behind BLHeli_32 has decided to cease trading with immediate affect and will no longer continue to provided licensing of new product based on BLHeli_32.
My understanding of the process for this was each esc was licensed by the manufacturer as it was flashed and then that esc remained licensed for its life. This license was not transferable or purchasable by end users and the manufacturer of the esc payed the license on a per unit basis.
As such as of now no manufacturers can license any further production of ESCs with BLHeli_32 firmware.
Technically as I understand it manufactures could actually flash new ESCs with BLHeli_32 however without the license the end user would have no access to BLHeli Suite configurator or the ability to change settings. You would be stuck with a stock ESC. There is a lot of other unknowns on this route and it would also be going against the conditions of the BLHeli_32 license regardless of them stopping trading.
Here and now the situation is this only affects new esc manufacturing that was going to use BLHeli_32.
Current Users
For users of ESCs currently flashed with BLHeli_32 nothing has changed. Your esc will still work as it did before. You also still have the ability to download BLHeli Suit and even update the esc firmware (for now at least.)
Your ESC will continue to work as it did before and there is zero need to take any action on your current purchased BLHeli_32 based products.
Today there is also likely a decent stock of pre-licensed BLHeli_ 32 ESC in the retail supply chain around the world and it’s safe to purchase these as it’s the same as any esc you already own. This stock will obviously start to dwindle fast as there is no new production however there is no known risk today purchasing existing stock.
It’s also worth noting that ESCs running BLHeli_S are not affected by this as that is open source and no license is required.
The Future
Moving forward It’s very likely you will start to see manufactures move 8 Bit ESC production over to Bluejay from BLHeli_S simply as it’s easier to market them as an alternative to BLheli_32 with RPM filtering ect.
32Bit ESCs will continue and AM32 is the natural path forward with a number of manufacture such as Skystars already being well onboard with a number of AM32 products in the market place already. For others not already in the AM32 stable it may take a little time for things to settle as they look at their options and new products to filter through as manufactures, I suspect personally there will be a scramble to get onboard with the AM32 project but again this is down to each manufacturer to decide what they do next. The options are fairly limited but let’s see.
Today no one needs to rush out and do anything, your current gear will work fine. There is zero need to try and flash your esc with AM32 and in-fact I would strongly advice against it as it’s a complicated process with some risks.
BLheli_32 was very much the go to for manufactures and users for a number of reasons however that does not mean it was the best option. This will be a blip in the road however it will be better for FPV in the long run as it gives a big push for ESCs back into the open source world.
On a final note.
There is a lot of comments on why this has happened and as I stated in my video I would have preferred to have seen BLHeli_32 open sourced rather than closed down however it should be remembered that this is the work of a company, it’s closed source and their IP, their time and effort has gone into this and just saying to open source is is a massive over simplification of the situation.
We do not know the full background to this change of direction and the developer involved may have been left with no choice but do what has been done. It’s complex on many levels and while we all have opinions we should remember that the world has changed a lot in the last few years and the drone industry is feeling the heat from many directions and this one of the biggest signs of that yet.
Sadly I also think it’s not going to be the last.
Mad
Also REBELMINIQUADS website has also been taken down by the FAA. Reason?
Dude, you are such a huge asset to this hobby. Can't thank you enough for what you do to keep us all informed and up to date. You're certainly one of the best representatives of the FPV community, in my opinion.
Just built a quad with a Holybro Kakute G4 AIO that came with AM32 ESC firmware. It is working great.
Great AIO
Just after Rosser brought out his esc video about bl32.
Lol.
LoL 😂
Yeap how queer🤔almost like it was planned.
I think AM32 is a good choice for new development of ESCs, in the future. BTW, I notice some semicondutor company like Geehy Semiconductor can offer the total solution for ESC, based on AM32 platform. Highlight cost-effective solution, comes with the MCU and pre-driver together. I'm going to try and test their solution.👍
Nice catch! Would love to hear your feedback after you try it!
Back to open source we go! As it should be.
Their reason for finishing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Blheli_32 is performance software. Which has great benefit for the RC hobby.
While anyone using an ESC for a one-way trip etc. Will surely use the cheapest software and hardware available.
Good point
They simply found a better way of making money. Only see the uses escs are getting these days.
@@FATSNAIL-FPVthey don’t you must be thinking of ur cheap self. Armies don’t waste money on trash Russia and UKr are using the best of the best and toying with ppl before killing them
FPv drone went from killing no one in hobby to killing millions world wide
@user-otzlixr Ok, then I forget the Occam razor
Honestly blheli32 is being waaaay to conservative here, if ESC software which can be used in drones is considered weapons export then so can raw steel 🙄
Exactly. This is just brushless motor control which theory is widely available in publications and books.
Maybe true that.
Sounds like this is a regulation in NORWAY/EU. For the USA we have ITAR. I'm sure they've spoken with lawyers. Regulation making you close your business down is not an easy thing, folks. They were selling licenses, besides development costs that is like printing free money. Have some sympathy for them.
Just to give you a heads up. You can flash am32 onto artery/AT32 chipset as well. You just have to use Kiel programmer😉
Thank you sir! Im so glad we have people like you and Bardwell to keep us updated with the latest fpv news. There's an incredible amount of great information that you two have shared with the world and will be available forever.
That's really weird indeed, Ian... I hope we get more clarification at least.
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Copy and paste still Bobby
RIP blheli32 it was a fun journey
Very strange situation indeed. Normally IP assets (including license agreements) usually go to the creditors, shareholders, or other stakeholders when a business shuts down. These assets could also be sold, licensed, or abandoned (i.e., become part of the public domain). If the business did shut down, without being sold, then would be effectively abandoned, as a non-existent business would not be able to enforce. I'm not legal expert, just my understanding. Lawyers would need to review the license agreement(s) to understand the implementations. It may not necessary be what BL_Heli_32 owner(s) have implied in their communications. Just a weird situation.
Regardless, the sudden notification without consideration to the impact to hobby community is justification to seek alternative open-source software to have a dependency on.
Cough, T Motor is also on dangerous ground.
Thank you Sir Ian...was running Bluejay for a min now, will stick with that for now, have a good one .
just like flight controllers: we need FOSS (free open source software). That's the only realiable, prodictable way of going forward.
Newsflash: FOSS doesn't bypass export restrictions. FOSS is Communist BS.
Military complex is pissed off because armies won't buy their freaking expensive weapons because drones are million times cheaper and do basically the same thing or even better than their crazy super stuff so they have no business any more ?? ;P :P :P
Funny enough I ended up updating my BlHeli_32 just 2 weeks ago after I noticed the version I was running wouldn't let me change my motor direction using the Motor Wizard in the Betaflight configurator.😅
32 hasn't really been a draw for me since blue jay.
Escape32 is another esc option.
👊😎
I was just about to add this, but thought I would check if someone else did and you beat me to it. I wonder why Escape32 does not get more attention in the FPV world. It is getting some attention in the RC crawler world.
@@IanBeaty - and it's at least 10 times more responsive than any other option mentioned here. I guess these influencers will always push things they have something to gain from, rather than bringing all the good options into the picture, so we can decide what works the best. _"...time to back AM32..."_ almost like _"...don't even look at anything else besides it..."_ thingie is tiring...
@@Seii-FPV Don't even think to look outside the box. It's dangerous out there!😊
Bold claim 😱
But yeah, hard move 😳
I thought, well it can be downloaded, so at least we have the last version, but manufacturers need to license every controller and now they can’t anymore…
That's unfortunate. For helis/planes without an FC blheli-32 allows for sbus and telemetry none of the others do.
I predict the AM32 project will be working on these features.
the first fpv related purchase i can find in my e-mails was 2017. i had been following developements for a few years at that point already. seeing the advancements in esc firmware was really cool. while it's somewhat sad to see blheli32 go away, i don't think i've ever used an esc running that firmware. i mostly built micros up to the point where am32 was released and then jumped straight to that when i built a larger quad. am32 is better anyways ;)
I seem to remember a weird issue with updating and changing ESC firmware because a certificate expired. I think the configurator requires a connection to the internet for at least some functionality and that could possibly break soon. I did make changes last night and it was still working.
Bluejay n am32, they are our mainstay😊
Open sourcing it properly would take some time. They may choose to do that. Though if they are scared to sell it, they may also be scared to provide it open source. Despite the exemptions for open source in the export laws. They probably legally could, but they may be afraid to take that risk. We shall see. We don't actually know yet - in a week or two or three they may have an open source presence set up.
Im running Skystars ESC pro4 and LOVE IT! Great news to me
Escape32 is the best alternative for Blheli32 in my opinion.
FWIW I've had 5+ quads on a variety of AM32 ESCs for 12+ months
yeah it sucks
Do you even notice a difference?
Your ESC chart should differentiate between fixed, variable and selectable PWM frequency, right?
I've been begging for more AM32 ESCs, now it looks like I am going to get my wish! Big news and well done on the complete coverage.
Our captain, our saviour .
@@ninjalemon_Squashcheck your attitude pilot , your flying to low, your bound to hit some cringe.
@@AdamWeatherall Well, well, the air traffic controller of cringe has decided to chime in. How about you stick to ground control and let the pilots handle their altitude as long as its not hurting anyone, eh? Cheers, mate.
@@yei3456 this is your air traffic controller from across the pond , pilot vs pilot = cringe, I didn’t create the facts, I just know them, cheers mate. Fair skies to all of you.
@@AdamWeatherall If my comment caused any discomfort, I apologize. It was intended to be a light-hearted ELRS-spamzone jest.
Back in 2007 I had a HV brushless ESC made and I stopped it due to receiving an e-mail from a entity here in the US that I didn't want my ESC going in to. Now the ESC was made for vehicle use only, but the original version was for aircraft. This is the main reason I only stick to R/C surface use only. BLHeli should've implemented a kill switch to their firmware knowing too well drones are being used in such manner.
I remember Bardwell interviewing the AM32 developer a couple years ago. Strange that Ian didn't reference that at all.
I did not see it, did not know about it, its only strange from your perspective. I cant comment or reference something I don't know about.
I’m fine with bluejay…
I just got my first drone with Bluejay already running the ESC. My other drone has BLHeli32. My question is, should I flash my other drone with Bluejay? If I do, will it affect my Betaflight settings?
Early four hours ago! Exactly what time in the afternoon do you get up?
Chances are releasing it as open source is still in violation of the export controls regulations and would be prosecuted equally to the selling of it without traceability.
Just a thought, if the issue is export to Russia, then making it open source would be a violation same as continuing production. A solution to this would be to start charging, and only accept friendly credit cards.
Remember this hashtag #ruiningthehobby ?
I'm disgusted. One has to imagine that BLHeli AS is going to stay in the business but with military contracts rather than hobyists.
The decent thing to do would be to release the code under an open license so as not to leave all of their customers high and dry, but.
BLHeli AS needs - as a minimum - to release unlocked versions of their firmware binaries so people who have supported them can continue to use the products they have paid for.
Current stock may be fine - as long as it doesn't have a buggy version. The firmeware upgrader goes off to some licence server.
TBH I have the same fears about Flydurino/KISS, Fettec/Alpha and KISSFCFC/KISS Ultra.
I would like to see all propietary firmware/hardware manufacturers to commit to some kind of succession plan - such as a commitment to open source code/designs in the event the companies can not for whaetver reason continue with their products.
I have payed a considerable premium to support from the KIss family and BLHeli32.
I feel like those organisations should support their users.
Like 70%+ of fpv drone pilots moved from crossfire to elrs, same will happen here. And blheli32 will be only a memory to few.
Discontinued BLHeli..
*You did say it'll continue to work/don't worry.
Can i still tune and use betaflight esc settings/speedybee esc configurator/tune? Ie.. are all my features going to continue to work for all my spare blheli32s and bls's im staring at in boxes? Can i keep using blheli escs with future bf updates? Are my spares going to continue to work? Sorry, I know you said dont worry, Im just looking at a new unbuilt cine and 5" spares that has taken years of work...
Thanks for keeping me informed.
the BF team should develop their own.
AM32 is the way
Is it worth moving over to Am32? I'm using iflight blheli 32 esc currently
@@purefpv3987 you'll be flying it soon enough... no need to go flashing over too it if your esc works
So maybe that is why I was not able to update my old BL-Heli 32 ESC. I get an error message: "server unavailable".
Run people RUN!!! This is the end of FPV!!! I’m starting to fold my paper airplane 😂
So... Any good alternatives now based on AM32?? Any suggestions?
Dude, I started using APM32 that also based on AM32. They work great and didn’t cost much. Might be worth trying.
I can‘t find any sources to these news in the internet - can you provide some links?
You wont as nothing is published publicly other than the Skystars message on their Facebook group.
On Friday afternoon BLHeli emailed all of its customers with the email shown in the video. This has then leaked to the public.
BLHeli have not released any public statement around this matter however it’s been confirmed as correct by multiple manufacturers and some messages though 3rd parties to them.
It is 100% correct.
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@@MadRC I wasn’t implying it to be false news, I just thought that for something like this there should be some public announcement somewhere but apparently isn’t.
Thank you for the Video👍
I run one drone with BL32 and one with AM32. No difference.
4:27 Blheli32 runs on 32 bit mcus, not 16bit ones
Yea sorry it was early lol. I do show it in the chart.
Good elrs should follow suit
Betaflight is in the edge of the knife 🔥🔥🔥 Geopolitics huh😮
Nah we are open source our firmware is public domain we have no control over what gets done with it
@@Sugar_K hope you're right, it's shame politics interfering the hobby
did anybody have the message error "Found multiple ESC configurantion" and couldn't flash or anything? My FPV motor is getting really hot and the battery drain is really quick. I don´t believe it´s only PID, because of the error above and my fpv also don´t play that standard "music" when lipo is connected.
EU doing Russia restrictions but in reality are restrictons of all the world instead of Russia , i hope the someone stop this mess!
As my grandfather said, those who want too much get nothing, thanks blheli32
There is bluejay.
And of course one of my esc aren't being recognized and I have to reflash my 4-1 and i cant. I hope they come up with a solution because as of now I havea brand new esc that I can't use!!! Bullshit!!!
Tbh of your esc is not being recognised I suspect there may be a hardware issue. If none of the 4 are showing something is either wrong with the Fc connection or the esc its self
Asking the owners to open source it is a stretch. I do understand where the community come from, but imagine the developers have spent thousands of hours into the project. Luckily there are alternatives.
I do agree. I’m looking at it from a complete selfish point of view. At the end of the day it in their IP.
Not really a stretch. There are many cases were companies released their software to public domain after they were done with it. It's a way to keep software alive and thriving.
One of the biggest one that comes in to my mind are the id tech game engines, of which many many modern game engines were/are based on.
they've spent thousands of hours to just throw it down the drain then? they don't lose anything except the IP which is worth nothing if they simply close it down and don't sell it to anyone else
I would agree with you if they were able to make profit off it. This is like them just putting the ip in storage and never touching it again. It ain't making money in storage. If that's the case then why not open it?
@@awerks12 yea i watched the video but apparently you aren't keeping up with the conversation. I was specifically replying to someone's statement
It feels like i just watched a session from my therapist, LoL 😂
Wait, why BLHeli32, if it runs on a 16 bit processor?
No I meant 32bit at that point
Bl32 boards should go on discount.
Can I buy a drone at the Moment with ESC SpeedyBee F7 V2 BL32 ???
Those in the stock pipeline which were flashed w BL32 will be sold. How deep this pipeline is, anyone’s guess.
cant wait
Unfortunately they can't open source it right now because of export concerns. All regulatory frameworks concerning export of arms consider publishing source code a form of export. This is why Ardupilot devs are adamant about not supporting military uses.
IMHO BLHeli_32 devs are trying to be more Catholic than the Pope, but given harsh punishments for export violations it isn't that surprising.
Does anyone really think that Russia and China haven't already hacked and cloned it?
It is all just so stupidly destructive.
it could easily be leaked anonymously.
Interesting thought.
@@davedauria4782 and the leak could be tracked back to the company.
They'll go to Asia like the rest of us do.
How was it? Expect the unexpected?😅
Open sourcing it would be akin to continuing development. The whole ordeal would have been a pointless exercise for them.
I can’t blame them. Their software is being used to commit war crimes on injured soldiers. It’s a damn shame.
Ps thanks for the video
Wouldn't it be a solution to make BLHeli_32 Open Source!?
The business case is broken anyway...
My first experience with AM32 was unfortunately a pretty bad experience. Skystars KM55A stack. I believe I received a defective unit but it took me hours to eliminate every other possibility and a month after buying it to go into one of my builds I still havent been able to fly even after dropping it off at the shop I bought it from. Luckily I’ve got my BLs and older 32 Builds still kicking! I’m willing to give them another go but I’m going to wait till it’s a bit more mainstream
Its come on a long way
@@MadRC I'm excited to see where it can go. I've been running ELRS since the early days and it has been awesome seeing the ridiculous progress thanks to the amazing community. Thanks for the video!
Had so much crap with my Skystars also, wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole
@@blitzvinnigFPV Yeah, unforunately in my case it was the only option avalible in 20x20 in my country. To be fair during the process of trouble shooting I was pretty impressed with the FCs build quality under close inspection with a magnifying setup and the flashy red heatsink was cool to see in person for the first time. It was very ceap for an F7 stack. The one Chris Rosser tested performed pretty well though
@camdynkellett6782 yeah, but I dont trust their QC as far as I can chuck it, I agree the build quality looks superb and they are cheap, but as soon as you start using them they have endless crap
Im fine with bluejay, but they need the stop useing drones in wars and LET US KEEP OUR HOBBY (Jobs) a life.
Because our hobby is now in danger, first the registration bllsht and now this what will happen next?
Im in this fpv world since 2014 and i hope it will not die throught some war because the goverment dont even like drones in the first place, and now there useing it for wars and not for fotographic anymore!!
So does this mean all BLHeli firmwares are dead, including BLHeli_S?
It's an odd decision to make when it won't stop the use of BLHeli (the firmware is already out there) and the alternate is something open source that the EU have even less control over. It's like saying 'you have to stop making car tyres' because RU happened to use them instead of making their own. Now that means they can/will just use another brand or make their own relatively easily. So all that is achieved is that you siphon less money away from RU and you lose your chance to have firmware level access to every RU drone in the air. Genuis 🙄
Maybe the code is trash/embarrassing? Maybe it's too much work to make it a OS project.
This means esc prices should reduce.
I’m not sure the licensing is actually that much of a factor in cost. I have been told some numbers I won’t share but it was much lower than I was expecting
have you noticed that the document saying that it happens because of russia is signed by a woman with a slavic name and surname?
Noted. How ironic
No fun allowed. People are too busy being douchebags.
Blame that puzzy Putin
Woohoo another parts shortages incoming. Like it hasn't already been hard enough at times. Just another speed bump.
A Big F You from me to anyone who supported drones as weapons! Told y’all it was gunna hurt the hobby!
Very interesting and disappointing.
However lots of options still available
But a bit more writing on the wall regarding the hobby......perhaps!?!?
The future is uncertain
We are in for a rough time for sure.
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pawel speachbadski is blaming Putin for killing blheli32! )))) Who else ))))
can someone share a TLDR
Norway sanctioned Russia, and BLHELI AS, the company that makes the BLheli_32 firmware, cannot be certain that the firmware isn’t being used by Russia. Thus they’ve just stopped licensing the firmware worldwide to comply with the sanctions. Nonsensical, really.
@@Hornet135 thanks for sharing. Yeah it does not feel nice when hobby projects get caught up in this. I have two blheli32 esc which I can’t upgrade now.
@@sanketss84 Yep, we’re stuck on the last version of Blheli_32 for now or forced to switch to AM32.
@@Hornet135 I havent updated mine since a year and only came to know after they even disabled updating existing blheli32 escs. :(
So they were fine with Ukraine using ESCs for warfare, but once Russia started doing it they grew a conscience?
Yes. They just don't like everyone equally 😅
Pretty much, the EU is a hella of a restricting organization.
They continue to work on Bl32, they’ll just sell it now, but not to everyone, only to those who they think is correct. Hypocrites.
Ukraine is BS. It's a power-grab by the EUSSR. They've been gagging to get control of Ukraine for decades. Biden wanted war to bury his Burisma corruption.
AI probaly 'suggested' it....
: P
Mads. You make good videos, but they are sooo long and you repeat a lot of stuff. Shorten up your rambling some.....
When it comes to information I think it’s better to be redundant and clear.
Not enough subway surfers for you?
How stupid . By the same logic don't sell food or clothing both are used in warfare
They're in a good company at least: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_World_War_II