How to legally avoid (not comply) with Remote Id.
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2023
- Look when drone pilots are being attacked and accosted at GUN point, why should a drone pilot broadcast their position? Doesn't that make the drone flight less safe and prone to an emergency?
Well under FAA law, drone pilots can deviate from any regulation in order to avoid an emergency. That's how you legally avoid Remote ID.
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I was about to buy a 1500$ drone and now that i found out how regulated it is im going to pass. The government ruins everything
I’m with you on that. I bought a Dji not knowing that I’d be getting into this. It’s currently being shipped to me as I type this and I think it will be returned as soon as I get it.
@@justanotheryoutuber5228did u keep it?
Welcome to capitalism - Profits over People! Ukraine got the capitalists scared right now heh
Yep. I just ordered a DJI fpv and I channeled my order. I would have more freedom and privacy flying around in my old para motor.
@@3nertia this has nothing to do with capitalism, this is big brother authorianism..
Talking with other RC pilots has given me the impression that nobody is going to comply with this.
Pay close attenention to and remember who the boot licking influencers trying to push this as a good thing are. Just like the jab influencers, all these globalist agents need to be held accountable. Salute to everyone fighting this publicly.
good
As it should be.
I'm still working on my CB license. 😁
Most of my model aircraft are home built wooden planes with nitro burning engines.They have no cameras on board, no GPS, no geofencing, no transponders, etc. I also enjoy helicopters and also have no cameras, GPS, etc. The one and only drone I have is about 1 year old. It's has cameras, GPS, built in stabilization, downling to a view screen, telelmetry, etc.
There is one thing all these devices have in common. They are never going to carry a remote id or identification system on board. At least, not as long I I can help it.
I feel as long as you aren’t flying near a airport and below 400 feet the government should screw off
I fly over 1000ft almost everytime I fly. No one can hear it, hard to see unless you are looking for it. What they don't know, won't hurt them.
I fly at around 700-1000ft because I don’t want to draw attention
@FAA
Shouldn't be, but people don't adhere to common sense.
@@AaronFergFergusonwhere are you flying? Rural? City?
You made a very strong point here. There is no reason for the general public to locate pilots via remote ID. Being in Chicago, theft is always an issue I’m concerned about as well. Keep producing great content.
Ok, I am a drone pilot. I never trespass property and I never invade personal privacy. If a beach is crowded, I avoid flying there and if I do, I fly high and at speed, avoiding hovering over people. To me, using my drone is like using a smartphone. I never point my camera at strangers and if someone walks into my field of vission, I clearly lower the camera so they see I am not taking pictures of them. But way too many drone flyers simply ignored these rules. Flying over private property, filming people, ignoring privacy standards.
@@Ozbird-72they don't own the air
@@Ozbird-72 There are stacks of people, young and not so young, that are invading people's privacy. And casing out what you own - for obvious reasons. And it's going to get much much worse.
any time a person not associated with the drone operation tries to even talk to you during the operation, they are introducing risk. even if they are nice and polite, they become a distraction and thus a safety factor. there is a reason i am not allowed to walk up to the cockpit and chat with the pilots when on a commercial flight.
Great point!
Cause a person talking to you risk 80-100 other human lives? Wow. What do u fly? And where? The Superbowl?😂
@@Hammerback972.
@@Hammerback972 thats exactly why RID is not needed 😂
100% agree. I have no plan to comply whatsoever until the pilot/control station position info is ONLY available to law enforcement. Until then, the FAA can go pound sand.
Careful about accepting law enforcement without limitations guaranteed to the people.
Seems to me the FAA has enough sand to pound to keep them busy for years!
This is what happens when Democrats are allowed to make laws . Live free or die , and buy die I mean those that would violate your rights
I haven’t , I won’t , I refuse . Thank you
On what grounds would law enforcement be able to write and citation... they can't legally, they have no formal/practical training or for that matter or even basic knowledge on how anything radio control works other than the radios they carry which are in a different class and category. Noone can do anything to you legally period.
I’m 100% in agreement with what you said . I myself have had a similar situation not with a gun but a citizen came up to me as I was flying over frozen waters while they were ice fishing .He approached me and tried to smash my drone .Enough is enough with citizens acting unruly for no reason.
Enough is enough! We watched other videos saying "well its illegal for civilians to shoot the drone or you," sure but it hasn't stopped thousands of people doing it. There is a reason certain information is hidden, in the name of safety.
Criminals will be able to track your location knowing you have valuable equipment. Also, there will be those that have frequency jammers that will definitely hunt down drone flyers to crash them. Safety my ass
Got to carry while flying… I stopped flying unarmed a long time ago.
The guy was all. "Nobody is going to film my illegal poaching activities."
My Ruger disagrees with people shooting drones
Maybe, the police who most likely don't even know or understand FAA regulations, should have to broadcast their position when setting up speed traps or using illegal No-Knock warrants etc.
According to the United States Department of Justice: Federal judges and magistrates may lawfully and constitutionally issue "no-knock" warrants where circumstances justify a no-knock entry, and federal law enforcement officers may lawfully apply for such warrants under such circumstances.
@@Randomname183 So what's your point? The existence of legal no-knock warrants doesn't mean they don't do it illegally as well. That part about "when circumstances justify a no-knock entry" wasn't written for no reason.
They do
@@Randomname183boot licker
@chrismadison305 How am I uninformed? Do you deny the existence of *illegal* no-knock entries? Do you think that because there is such a thing as a no-knock warrant, there cannot be such a thing as an *illegal* no-knock warrant, like perhaps one written when circumstances DON'T actually justify a no-knock entry?
I used to be a bail bondsman. I hung around cops and this kind of stuff for far too long. I'm afraid it's you who is uninformed.
Having someone approach us while flying a drone is like a person entering a cockpit of a commercial jet while the pilots are trying to land. I see all kinds of safety concerns here. Thanks for the video.
If in fact you believe that for YOU to take off with GPS enabled would create an emergency (serious risk to life or serious risk of bodily harm) it would be illegal for you take off- that would be reckless operation of an aircraft.
It's also not legal for you to take off with it turned off.
So, you've just decided it's illegal for you fly, period.
If you can't take off legally and safely, you simply can't take off. Have fun with that.
While I agree with you wholeheartedly legally you’re supposed to have a spotter that would eliminate that concern
@@umop3plsdn There's also the whole thing of "somebody walking in a public park is actually nothing at all like someone trying to break into the cockpit of an airliner" thing.
@@senseisecurityschool9337 Huh? Say that again, but in more simple terms. Like give an example.
@@hottractor1999 I'm not sure which of my two comments you're replying to.
If you can't take off safely and legally, you're not allowed to take off. That simple.
There's nothing that allows you to take off illegally.
It blows my mind that they hadn't even thought of it from a criminal element... I'm all for keeping the airway safe but I'm all for keeping especially a human being safe...most of all
Oh, but they have. Have you not noticed that laws are not being enforced against criminals, laws and the definition of laws are being changed to use against law-abiding citizens. We must be controlled.
Its been brought up to them many times, the general public and even law enforcement was against this in the 54,000 comments they sent to the FAA but they didn't care and said "be safe" lol
Politicians are professional criminals.
Let’s go baby. I will also be peacefully not complying
Love this video. Straight to the point while giving all necessary context. No clickbait and purely professional. Not even trying to sell the viewer any courses. +1 respect.
Thank you!
Men be making up sh*t to call out people as illegal...one day ok...the next you a criminal...B.S. will not comply.
Reasonable....you are the same people that promote more govt control...throw the tea into the harbor.
Part 91 and 107 say the same thing in regards to actions under an emergency. Lol.
@@DroneU No Sir. I'm genuinely confused. You've built a business model of education and training. Yet you are going out of your way to promote false information. Why? As a manned pilot and commercial drone pilot I am very aware of both Part 91 and Part 107. I guess I could copy/paste them both here, but you already knew what you were saying was wrong before you posted this. I'm baffled by the lack of honesty and integrity you've shown. 🤬
@@WOTHFPV This is a pattern at DroneU. Remember this is the same guy that told all of us that the P4 was RemoteID compliant right out of the box. Nice one! Has anyone wondered why REAL talented people all left DroneU? Where is Vic Moss? Where did Haye go? Why did they move their business from NM to CO? Why does Paul go by at least two different last names? Paul Alexander or Paul Aitken, which is it? Most people have learned to "See and Avoid" DroneU. ;)
I will never comply. I do not recognize their authority to regulate in this manner.
it's the federal gov, they can take your house
@@embededfabrication4482 then I'll take as many of them with me as I can
Do not comply
@@nerys71amen brother
Same here. Do not comply.
I always thought this was ridiculous. Next thing is you will have to register your rc car with the dmv and get it smogged.
I’m sure California will be the first 😂. Gotta love Gavin newcrap. It’s like these politicians are bored and can’t be bothered to fix actual crimes and problems like the budget or the border. You know there mandated remote kill switch’s on ALL cars made after 2025? 1984 was not an instruction manual
Brilliant! You are correct that nothing jeopardizes the NAS more than a drone pilot getting beaten while flying. I’ve been assaulted twice while doing commercial survey work. One stated I was spying on his teenage daughter and the other was an unwell, paranoid and violent homeless person. I started carrying a bat with me to fly only to quit commercial drone work because of personal safety concerns. I can’t comply with Remote ID as written. Get it congress? Not won’t…. CAN’T!
You should document the incidents, including police reports and share it with the FAA as well as members of the senate FAA Modernization Law committee.
@@JoseArrom Why would I do that? Oh… sarcasm, you’re joking. Sorry, I didn’t get it at first. 🤣
But neither situation was caused by RemoteID… not like the homeless dude had a receiver to identify who was flying the drone.
@@koejelly78 This was circa 2015… Remote ID wasn’t a thing yet. I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your reply.
@@koejelly78 I think you missed the point of the video, Since anyone can get the free app, they would be able to find you if they were some anti-drone fanatic. I was flying perfectly legally as a recreational pilot when I was accosted by someone driving up on me quite violently, and yelling that I was disturbing his dogs in his back yard (only near it during takeoff/landing) and he was going to call the cops on me. While I could certainly defend my position to the police, he was so unreasonable it was just easier to land and leave. He probably would have not known my position if he hadn't happened to see me land for a fresh battery and take off again..
I’m trying to imagine a scenario in which Joe Public looks up the location of any pilot without malicious intent. Seriously, why would you go through the trouble of figuring out where a pilot was and then going to their location unless you wanted to say something negative to them. OK, the few of us here might be like “hey how are you doing?” But then again, those of us here know not to interfere with somebody flying an aircraft. So, it’s pretty easy to conclude that the public being aware of the exact location of a pilot can only be utilized for malice.
oh no, it's like having a phone book is illegal too.
@@lolwtnick4362 not remotely comparable. if you put a GPS tracker on a person's car, you'd get arrested. or put a tracker on their phone. or put an ankle tracker on teh person.
@@SoloRenegade That's not comparable either. You or the manufacturer placed the GPS tracker on your drone, not someone looking for you.
@@brianfreeman4157 wrong, the gov is mandating adding the tracker, just like the gov mandates ankle bracelets for criminals. People don't want this. it's against their will. and many are refusing to comply, and rightly so.
If someone sees a drone and they have a problem with it, they would begin physically looking around for the guy holding the remote. Your average Joe doesn’t normally have equipment to electronically track the person holding the controller. This conversation seems to be making the assumption we have these drone hunters out there with their trackers in their hip pocket.
I fly in two places: indoors and under the tree canopy on my own property. I contend that neither the government nor my neighbors have a legitimate interest in tracking this activity.
I don't think your neighbors should have the right to track it irregardless.
Law Enforcement should need a warrant to know where I am when I haven't broken any laws.
100% agreed. The public can see my drone, no reason they need to know my location
You hit this nail, cleanly on the head. Pilot safety has seriously been over looked
don't forget the kids flying RC
The FAA’s *stated* purpose might have been safety at one point, but they exceeded that when Part 336 was revoked and they started creating regulations for uncrewed recreational aircraft. The implementation of RID has exposed their only remaining purpose, which is asset protection for the commercial drone industry. The asset in this case being the low-level airspace they want us regulated out of. Even if there was a quantifiable safety issue with recreational uncrewed aircraft (there isn’t), no crewed aircraft will carry the equipment necessary to detect and avoid RID-equipped ones, so any claim that it could benefit the safety of crewed aircraft is pure gaslighting.
This is a simple case of investment speculators using monetary influence to alter the regulatory landscape to favor their economic conditions, at the expense of hobbyists, who form a significant source of our highly endangered aviation workforce. It’s a short-sighted strategy doomed to failure, and despite the fact that our government allows it, that doesn’t make it right. The only responsible reaction to unjust laws is peaceful, safe noncompliance. Continue to fly safely. Respect others’ property and person. And disregard this foolish nonsense until the reality that we present no danger and never have inevitably crushes this garbage legislation under its own unenforceable weight.
Agreed. In my country the regulating body has rules for full size aircraft which they are very poor at policing. The full size flying community say they fly to the rules but many near tragedies have been had and can be cited with them not knowing the rules and some blatant disregard for the rules. The authorities have been very lazy and sloppy with the implementation of this RID thing. I think it will fail for those reasons.
remember Good people disobey bad laws.
BINGO!!!
Well said sir
And I can promise you that the next step will be a “tax” they want to collect in order to be allowed to fly! This does not stop at just a digital identifier! The government is ran by commies and the tax is a bonus for them!!
They don't want you to have drones... They want the US government to have drones only. Take from this what you will... There's only a few reasons why they would want this. Violation of your fourth and fifth amendment is one. Lucrative government contracts are another. Not to mention when the government wants to use its drones against the populace during conflict or civil unrest...
Paul, while I agree with your thoughts of not broadcasting pilot location publicly, I don't know that the idea of an emergency situation is a legitimate argument. From the FAA discussion notes on 107.21, they specifically note that if the "emergency" is foreseen before the flight takes place, that doesn't count. "Additionally, because part 107 will allow a deviation only during an in-flight emergency, this deviation cannot be taken for situations that were expected or foreseen prior to the takeoff of the small unmanned aircraft. If a remote pilot in command expects or foresees an emergency situation prior to aircraft takeoff, then the remote pilot in command must delay or cancel takeoff or otherwise alter the parameters of the operation to the extent necessary to ensure full compliance with part 107." Additionally, you would need to be prepared to report it: "(b) Each remote pilot in command who deviates from a rule under paragraph (a) of this section must, upon request of the Administrator, send a written report of that deviation to the Administrator."
Sadly, I believe this is entirely accurate. The solution to this problem isn't non-compliance unless you have a VERY good lawyer on retainer. It's getting the law changed.
lol, no way in hell am I planning to add Remote ID to my home made drones and planes!
oldguyFPV says; You Can't Comply Your Way Out Of Tyranny!
I think that the positions of the people using the app to track the drone and pilot positions should ALSO be tracked and displayed.
Allow the pilot app to display anyone who is approaching them.
Oh, but that is violating their privacy! 😂 Double standard
Completely agree if you use the app then your info should be broadcast as well in case of a situation like he mentioned with an altercation that could lead to an accident or harm .
Remote ID is like broadcasting an manned aircraft pilot's personal info in ADSb
Difference being is that people on the ground can't attack the pilot in the air.
This is a real concern. If a drone is being flown, any distraction can cause a significant accident. It's dangerous to show the pilot's position.
Once again, thanks Paul (& Rob) for your stance and help in this industry. Your impact is huge.
Men be making up sh*t to call out people as illegal...one day ok...the next you a criminal...B.S. will not comply.
Reasonable....you are the same people that promote more govt control...throw the tea into the harbor.
Great video & thanks for your support & using your platform to help others!! I 100000% agree stuff you. I'm a female pilot from NYC. I don't think it's safe some angry person taking matters into their own hands esp when I'm flying fpv. Thank you!!!
yea "spotter" for fpv flights can take a whole new meaning, like defense of the pilot during operation
Good to know thanks for the info. Keep up the good work
Thank you very much!
Thanks for speaking out for the hobby! As long as the pilots position is not shared, it is OK, else, no way!
Paul, love your content. I have a Phantom 4 Pro V 2 and an Air 2, both of which are not compliant to begin with. How do we not comply with natively compliant airframes?
Get new airframes. That’s why you don’t buy DJI garbage. And I have a phantom 4 pro v1. But I’m looking into buying a Tx16s, cheap fatsharks, and tiny whoop. Dji drones are kids toys and hobby quadcopters with beta flight and gps are WAY more customizable with open source programming like elrs.
@@patrickpendergast898 I’m glad I make vast amounts of money from my “kids toys” then, Pat!
Yes, completely agree! 💯 It shouldn’t matter where a pilots location is to the public (unless it’s inside a plane of course). I’ve never been physically assaulted, but have been threatened, along with my drone being threatened of being shot down (until I let them know about the US federal penalties if they want to go that route). Thanks for sharing!
I’m in the same boat with you. I had a few incounters with some drone hater’s and I was in my own space away from people and was approached and was told they wanted to shoot my drone down.
Great points. Here’s something I thought of while watching the video. Imagine I’m outside of the city limits. I’m filming a beautiful stream for a personal video project. Some criminal, who’s monitoring my position, decides he wants to steal my $12,000 drone, and all my other $1000’s of dollars worth of camera gear. I’m alone, broadcasting my position with potentially 1000’s of dollars with the gear. Ugh! Imagine, if when you went to your bank, the bank broadcast your position and the information about your withdrawal. Every single person, or at least the majority of drone pilots broadcasting their position, have at least $1000 worth the gear just by proxy. Seems like remote ID could potentially be a map for criminals seeking to obtain easily fenced goods. And this all goes to your point… I don’t mind broadcasting my information to authorities, I do mind telling potentially dangerous people, “hey, here I am flying my super expensive drone, come take it from me”.
We need to start broadcastitng the exact location of our politicians for their safety of coarse 😆
Might be hard to support.
I suspect the FAA differentiates an actual emergency from the presumption of emergency possibilities.
Thank you for covering the issue! ;-) Given that the public can track us, we believe it is essential to know who is watching us! Therefore, we strongly suggest that all distributors of drone app trackers make it mandatory for their users to register for a free account. This measure would enable law enforcement to swiftly and accurately identify and apprehend criminals who may target us. Moreover, requiring user registration before activation would serve as a primary deterrent. Although this idea may not entirely eliminate risks, it appears to be a more prudent approach than the current system leading up to September's deadline. ;-) Much gratitude, T
Good point. But that would be like asking a criminal to legally register guns they use.🤣
While I’m concerned about crazy citizens, I’m more concerned about criminal ones. On any given drone shoot I also have a car full of other production gear if the drone footage is only part of the project. Pilots don’t have to worry about randos coming onto the airfield to steal a plane ( usually)
This ^^^^^^^ 👍
seems a bit of an odd rule, considering people have to fly VLOS then the person controlling the drone will not be far from the drone
half a mile is easy to find the pilot in an open field, but not in a developed area.
Completely agree with you... spot on!
Thank you!
Only broadcasting the drone's position sounds like a better option, but they will still be able to determine the pilot's position when the drone takes off or lands at the home point, so if I'm patient enough to wait for the battery to be swopped, I will see where the pilot's location is. I do not know how security with drones are done in USA, but in South Africa, a pilot's position should be the most difficult part to figure out, otherwise, you WILL run into trouble with criminals.
I fly slope gliders, and this has put a full chill into the hobby. I haven't been flying lately because of this and I don't see anybody else on the hill for a long time. Someone said they would have carve outs for hobbyists. I haven't seen anything official concerning glider pilots at all. Sad!
Well said. Thanks for sharing.
I like the sentiment here, but your theory (and that's all it is) is built on matchsticks. The regulation you site says, "...in an emergency..." It does not say, in a POSSIBLE emergency. Comparing this to manned flight, I can't choose to not comply with a regulation just because I *think" an emergency might come up. I *might" run out of fuel. My engine "might" quite on me. No. It has to be an actual emergency which I need to declare. THEN, assuming I survive, I'll be questioned by the FAA, NTSB, etc. What you're doing here is not telling drone pilots how to legally fly without RID, you're telling them to test the system. It's not like the FAA is going to say, "OK, I see your point...someone MIGHT have hassled you. Carry on." That is NOT going to happen.
You sound vaccinated.
I like and support the concept but this begs a few questions. I fly DJI almost exclusively so:
1. How do you disable the GPS on the remote only
2. If you do disable GPS on the remote will the drone still know where you are (Im thinking of the directional arrow on the maps)
Thanks
Same boat, it's required for the GPS permission to be on in order for the DJI fly App to even load. If you don't accept that check box and enable those required permissions for the required app, you cannot fly. I am looking for a workaround, but so far no luck. I fly multiple DJI drones. Having said that, it's not as simple as turning off the GPS on your phone, iPad, RC Pro etc.
Used to spoof location for phone games. Wonder if spoofing works for the dji app.
I have the same question.
@@teeodee4924 That is not likely to work. When you spoofed your location for games, you probably used a vpn to mask your device's IP address. This has nothing to do with the triangulation of your true position via the GPS satellites in the sky.
That's great and important info. Does this (GPS deactivation) prevent my home point from being updated when I move away from the original take-off point?
Thank you for sharing this video information…
You are a very levelheaded and smart!
from other videos regarding remote ID!
👍😉
The only legitimate purpose for identifying the pilot would be to identify and confront infringements of rules/laws. As such, wouldn't self-identification abridge the right of non-self incrimination?
Not any more than the license plate on your car.
@@paulskalla6845 That identifies the owner on the vehicle, not the driver. You don't get a personal license plate that you swap onto every car you drive.
This is fundamentally different because the operator and the vehicle are in different locations. Identifying the vehicle in real-time is precidented, identifying the operator location is not.
I agree 100%. The only way they will learn is that there will be lots of sue cases against the government when innocent people get into the trouble due to broadcasting the remarks publically. It's wise to have the access to the law enforcement officers and any public has such concern about any crown they see flying and feel any concern then they can always call the law enforcement officers to complain. And take the legal actions if necessary.
But you also must have all law enforcement trained in what pilots can and can't do, because most of the officers I have talked to about drones have no idea what the laws/rules are that pertain to drones.
This topic about remote ID is become trending , it's important everybody understands what remote ID is and what is going on 👍
What I was wondering in the meantime is what if someone puts remote ID modules on taxis, vehicles and garbage cans around an airport how much would this affect the air traffic??
Great video!!
Most commercial vehicles probably have remote IDs, at lleast in their driver's phones.
Ridiculous, RID on a taxi or trash can? Its so low power Bluetooth, no air traffic would even know its existence,
Remote ID will be spoofed in no time at all. Allowing bad guys to make it look like there are drones where none are present. I can imagine a bunch of ghost drone signals being transmitted around airports and the problems that would bring to public safety. With all the done caused accidents and deaths around the country I think the FAA put the cart before the horse on this one.
Well this is one way to protest...
Great idea and so true. Question, for a Phantom 4 V2, since it was built way before remote idea and it has no way to broadcast the signal. And no drone manufacturers are making modeled to adapt the drone. How can I even comply with the rules and am I allowed to fly the drone after September?
As of yesterday DJI even commented to users that they will have a firmware upgrade on phantoms to comply. Albiet, we do not recommend adding anything to your drone. Some people say o its on 32 grams,, sure but that 32 grams can impact the CG and Drag coefficient to cause potentially serious problems in flight. We're anti-broadcast modules. When so many drone pilots don't even want to take their 107 or comply with the law, how does an extra step make compliance easier?
That's good news and good information about CG etc!
I have been accosted at least a dozen times including being threatened with a gun. I also know that when I fly in Denver I am advertising “hey guy with expensive equipment over here!” I will do the firmware updates but I am not buying cell service for my crystal sky.
I fly some pretty sketchy parts of Detroit and DO NOT feel comfortable broadcasting MY position at all. I do my best to be discreet. My drone having the equivalent of ADSB is really a non-issue to me though (except for the cost of modules to comply).
Interestingly a lot of the violent interactions have not happened in the ghetto areas. Many times the guns come out in very rural areas.
I'm not saying I would feel safe in places like where you fly but I wouldn't feel safe on a quiet country road either...
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 You do not lie. When in deep 'red' and/or secluded areas I get more grief than anywhere.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Agreed, we have seen the same data points, more rural = more shots. Otherwise we love rural areas.
@@DonaldColeman The delta between political parties continues to widen (sadly) and extremism is on the rise on both sides. Division is bad for everyone. I'm going to run an analysis on our known data points of drone shootings against political affiliation. My gut says it may not be so one-sided. I'd argue there are more issues where laws are more confused, entangled and not discussed publicly. Case in point: 2016 FAA said no state can create a state registry for drones. NC did it, and now Washington state and Minnesota even though the Federal government is very clear that its not allowed. The airspace is still the "wild wild west."
@@DroneU
It's interesting how sometimes we hear about States suing each other or even the federal government because they don't like some law or policy. Unfortunately when they don't like the FAA's federal laws on remotely piloted aircraft they just ignore them and make their own 😞.
If there was a federal law on something like insurance and the state's ignored it / preempted it the federal government would come down on those states. Why doesn't the federal government come down on states and cities that preempt the FAR's?
Thanks for making this video. I don't know if this technique will hold up legally but it's worth a try. The FAA has put us in a terrible situation.
One more reason to go with a home or custom-built drone rather than one that has RID built-in. I've in thinking about that and I have a couple questions. Maybe it's time for another ask drone U phone call 🙂
Great comments. Broadcasting position of the drone to government officials only and not the public is an excellent idea! I am all in for that. Keep up the good work.
I tried to identify the penalty for not complying first but I am unable to find anything about that. I agree 100% and expect our peers to be experiencing more violence starting Sept. 24 I have personally worked with teams that like you said had drones shot shot out of the sky in CA working for a power company and also another pilot while in the city of Chicago was held up at gun point to steal his drone. We must find a way around this non-sense, so for now I see that drones using after market modules for remote ID do not broadcast ground station area but also must stay within VLOS so I guess they could easily locate the ground station anyway.
FAA can only impose civil fines.
Got news for u, license plate info is readily available if one knows where to look for it. I agree I should NOT allow my position be publicly posted. It will lead to a gun battle in the end and at that point the FAA should be held accountable for any murder or or assault on an individual.
Here here! I could not have said it better, avoid an emergency by not putting ourselves in one. Thank you for standing up for are rights and this wrongful law.
I have concerns about the public being handed my location as well. BUT, your example cites 14 CFR Part 91 and states in part "In an emergency requiring immediate action...". I would submit to you that no such emergency exists until after you detect a threat, because within the course of your run-of-the mill everyday shoot, there won't be an emergency situation which requires immediate action. You can't put the legal cart before the horse. It's like mitigating the risk of a flyway by not launching.
Besides, we fly under Part 107 anyway, not Part 91. Can you pull a similar exemption but from Part 107?
Agreed. You have to really know what the 14 CFR Part 91 means in its full context. The author of this video is clear he isn't a lawyer, and although I agree with his argument, he's not quoting from the right place. This won't hold up in court.
The best solution hands down
It's exactly as a safety first in the workplace and for some like yourself drones are your work
Cheers so much i hope it gets sorted asap worldwide 😊❤
If using the RCN1 controller with a mobile device. Could i just take off the GPS on that device?
100% right, no need to the public to know. In Brazil we are free to fly as leisure and with basic authorization from DECEA, for commercial flights. Hope that the authorities in US respect a bit of the pilots privacy. Top explanation Paul
Really surprised that a teaching company is spreading misinformation, since Part 91 (What the information is cited from) doesn't apply to Part 107 operations.
It's probably how you guys lost the ability to be a TRUST test provider.
I am upgrading to the RC Pro soon. What features to I loose if I turn off the GPS?
Exactly why I maintain my older drones. Some are as old as 8-9 years. They remain in my control and are untraceable.
Given how little anyone can trust the police these days, we shouldn't even transmit our location to them.
government as a whole
I would really like to hear your thoughts on the
Love that new reel guys
thank you!!!
RemoteID is a demonstration of "if it moves, tax it, if it keeps moving regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it."
Safety of flight is paramount. The drone controller info should only be available to LE agencies. That’s the way it works with vehicle tags. Needs to be the same with drones. Perhaps the drone community should start another writing campaign to not only the FAA but their Congress people, the White House, and even local and state governments. Apparently 57,000 letters weren’t enough originally. I personally don’t want to wait to read about a dead drone pilot.
Agreed 100%
Totally Agreed 👍
We need to all do are part to prevent a dead pilot. If that happened I would never forgive me self for not trying harder 💯
It’s a little sad that some people still believe we live in a republic. Our government is a plutocracy. Letter writing isn’t going to do the job. You’ll need to outbid the CDA’s “campaign contributions” to the Congressional members that dictate the actions of the FAA if you want change, and there aren’t enough of us with the money to do that. In the meantime, there’s noncompliance and there’s a major exodus from the hobby. Pick one. There are no other options.
hence how Zuck was able to get away with just paying less than 1% of what he was worth to sell our private info. He made WAY more than 700 million off our info, the funny thing is, if you apply to that class action lawsuit you are going to win $6 bucks. lmao 6 bucks for selling my info for 15 years? Nice. It is absolutely ridiculous.
@@knight907 why u gotta bring politics into this? did you get mad at the elections again?
Thanks for this video as it is a major concern for many drone owners/operators. I DO NOT agree with the need for Remote ID considering that we fly below 400 feet (lower altitudes most all of the time and in certain restrictions and because of geofencing we can't fly anywhere near an airport, helipad, hospital. If we are restricted by geofencing, the law, our education of the hobby then why should my drones location or my location be broadcasted? It shouldn't. I have been cussed out on my own property while flying, told aggressively thank I didn't no the law (which I do and it was a clean/lawful flight), threatened on public property, etc.
If we were allowed to fly the same altitudes as other aircraft and near airports then I get it. But not when we are already restricted to the point that many people have left the hobby and/or decided not to take up the hobby when they found out how restricted it can be and how much trouble it is to fly and considering the very high priced citations.
I have 3 DJI drones and 2 FPV air planes. Only one DJI drone is able to broadcast the Remote ID info and I will not be adding the system to any other aircraft I own due a need for my personal safety. Rant complete.
Hey man thanks for the video!
Until this video I had every intention of registering and I probably still will but it does give me something to think about.
This is a very novel idea.
During any flight, a pilot can "deviate" from a rule if he sincerely believes the safety of his drone flight is in jeopardy.
Brilliant!
That's part 91. If drones were part 91, you could deviate *to the minimum extent necessary to land safely*. Meaning if you haven't taken off yet, your legal option is to simply not fly.
I feel the same way.
I have no issues with RID except for the Control Station issue.
There’s no reason that the General Public should be able to access that information.
I’m curious about Dynamic Homepoint.
In theory, couldn’t we just launch, change locations, fly, and then reset the homepoint?
Sure, it could cause issues if you lose signal, and have your Drone set to automatically RTH, but, I usually set mine to hover, and simply move closer to reestablish my signal, in those situations.
Best input on this topic I have come across.
@@undercoverfaaguy2429 ; you know you are not anonymous here right? We can tell you are from the FAA! 😊
100% agree. Thats a very interesting and possibly effective way to take on RID.... thanks
@@undercoverfaaguy2429 § 107.21 In-flight emergency.
(a) In an in-flight emergency requiring immediate action, the remote pilot in command may deviate from any rule of this part to the extent necessary to meet that emergency. thoughts?
I agree with all of this, I look forward to seeing how this is all going to unfold.
Thank you!
You are correct Sir! It is not necessary for the public at large to know my position. Unfortunately, politicians are so out of touch with everyday Americans that they are basically obsolete. but that is another topic. Thank you for all you do!
In AZ it’s possible to retrieve license plate info from MVD, unless the registered owner chose to keep their info private when they register their vehicle.
Does the suggested solution of disabling GPS work ?How then does the drone continue flying or land ?
the drone has GPS. He's suggesting disabling it on the controller.
Great video, I believe the focus should stay on Pilot Safety with emphasis on only allowing the access to Pilot location for Law Enforcement. Most pilots will be flying in public somewhere already so the case for privacy violation is very weak.
I often make short flights from my home. Remote ID is telling g anti drone people where I live VERY BAD!
An alternative would for drones to broadcast the collision avoidance that can be picked up and alert aircraft of a drone. If the operator requires a license and has a history of unsafe operations, pull the license permanently just like any other pilot.
Pulling a license won't work for deviants, they still can buy or build a drone easily. No restrictions here. Just like you can buy a car without a driver's license.
why would that person care about a license?
How do you turn off the GPS on your remote? I have the RC2.
Turn off the GPS on your remote, would that affect your homepoint in the event you need to use the RTH? Im a newbie to drones my reason asking..
The FAA has communicated that the pilot-location part of RemoteID wasn’t their idea, it was a requirement from DHS and is considered a National Security issue. There will be no negotiation on this matter, the opinion of drone pilots or the general public are not a factor in this regulation. You aren’t picking a fight with the FAA, a generally well behaved regulatory agency. You are picking a fight with DHS. They will Waco you before they compromise.
It still doesn’t make sense. It is totally possible to encrypt the broadcast and only allow law enforcement to see our position. I fail to see how that could be a national security issue if authorized law, enforcement or security agencies can see it there’s no justification for broadcasting it publicly.
Agreed no crap from me! lol
Absolutely 100% agree with what you have said. This faa regulation is absolutely not needed.
Great video homey
Now the thing I am wondering is this. IF this goes into effect, what is to stop DJI from either not letting you fly without the controller's GPS on, or they disable in entirely to meet the rule?
Exactly why I never buy DJI (or any other drone) that has flight restriction capability in its firmware. I prefer my hands to be the only ones controlling my drones.
Precisely the same mechanism that prevents Tesla from bricking your car if they decide to be displeased with you.
Couldn’t agree more. You’re EXACTLY RIGHT. There’s NO ‘practical’ REAL reason that the PUBLIC should know the operator or pilot’s position be known.
I will be using my drone for commercial photography so I must register it with the FAA and pass the Part 107 test. Does this registration for commercial photography differ from remote ID registration?
No, any drone used for Part 107 purposes is required to be registered as such and also have Remote ID enabled. No exceptions in this scenario. Your only option is to fly a sub-250 gram drone and hope you don't get flagged. But if you are flagged, I presume that the FAA will be disposed to treating a Part 107 flyer masquerading as a recreational flyer while executing commercial flights much more harshly than a non-certified flyer who could, at least, argue he or she just made a mistake.
Great job on video.
@07:40 _"no no because that makes a potentiallyu more dangerous environment for other pilots, pilots flying Cessnas, pilots flying helicopters and other things"_
But RID is not electronic conspicuity for the purposes of airspace deconfliction so how will not having RID make things more dangerous for manned aviation? The FAA has already said that pilots of manned aircraft will not be using RID for collision avoidance or airspace deconfliction so RID will not make things safer for manned aircraft.
If the FAA wants to make things safer for manned aviation then they need to manadate that *ALL* manned aircraft have ADSB fitted and active, even when flying in class G airspace. A growing number of consumer drones have ADSB warnings built into them and pretty soon all safety-conscious drone flyers will have an ADSB alarm to alert them to ADSB-equipped aircraft that approach their operational area.
RID serves no purpose in keeping the airspace deconflicted and is an unreasonable imposition completely disproportionate to the risk that things such as RC model aircraft and freestyle/racing drones represent. It is an obscenely blunt instrument that is being misrepresented as an aviation safety tool.
If manned aircraft are required to be 1000' feet above people, buildings or vehicles except in remote areas, where is the conflict with a drone that is supposed to remain under 400' AGL at all times?
@@frankmoreau8847 The sad reality is that, despite the risks, far too many manned aviators can be found well under 500ft or even below the 400ft where drones and RC models are found. If *everyone* played by the rules we'd be fine but unfortunately not everyone does. The unreasonable thing is that if/when a manned aircraft collides with a drone while flying at 300ft AGL, it will *still* be the drone operator at fault -- because the rules state that unmanned aircraft must always yeild right of way to manned aircraft. So yep, if manned aviation breaks the rule, *WE* get the blame for any resulting incident with a drone or RC model. 😞
Normal sUAS operation won't threaten fixed wing manned aircraft, regardless of the operation of an electronic or visible beacon. Drones are restricted to operating below 400 feet AGL; fixed wing manned aircraft are restricted to operating above 500 feet AGL. They could be right on top of each other without ever meeting, in normal operation. I deduce from this that Remote ID has nothing directly to do with avoiding collisions. It is, instead, about tracking down responsible parties after something goes contrary to the way the authorities want them to go.
I'm not in disagreement with you, but I don't believe this logic will hold up in court because it states, and the intent is that an emergency has occurred. You're speculating that an emergency will occur. If the emergency has occurred (someone attacking you), turning off Remote ID won't help at that point.
I believe these were arguments that were proposed during the NPRM phase, but they didn't stop the rule. Like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying....
Cheers!
you move to an area where its not required .. I just received my new FAA card says remote ID not required .. I live way out in no where
Situational awareness becomes a whole lot bigger and more complicated in September.... unfortunately. Focus should really be on the aircraft and the task at hand.
Currently we are pushing for a 1kg+ requirement for registration/remote id. The re-authorization act 2023 is where we are pushing back on FAA in June 2023. Prior to re-authorization act of 2018 and for 50 years the weight required to register a drone was 50+ pounds. So 1KG is reasonable and 250g is tyranny.
Gentlemen, since a DJI mini 2 is light enough to not require registration at all, and the FAA site says only drones that require registration require an ID module, may I assume that a mini 2 does not require an ID module? Thank you in advance.
Yes IF flown recreationally ONLY, sub 250gram drones do not need remote id. HOWEVER if the intent of your flight is anything other than recreational flying, then you need remote ID regardless of weight. This is why I sold my mini 2 because I fly under part 107 alot.
I am a Remote Pilot. I have ordered two Remote ID Modules for the SUAS I fly regularly for commercial work. I order two different modules from two different vendors. Both orders are back ordered. I have not located the iOS or android apps that are supposed to allow me to see the live map view any drones with remote flying in my localized vicinity or to test my remote ID module is even working correctly.
Do you know the name of any apps that are currently available to use for Remote ID device testing and/or inflight monitoring for safety purposes?