It's really simple! So many cars are totaled out for a loss because people just didn't know! There was no RUclips when I was growing up! The old generation just didn't have the internet to share ideas like we have today!
You are so right on both counts. Body shop prices are astronomical, if you can fix cars yourself you can make a good chunk of change or get yourself a bargain priced dream car. The estimated repair cost on my Camaro was $13,000.00 I fixed it like new for $2,100.00 in parts and about 16 hours worth of work. Thanks for watching.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 I was. About 18 years old and had a 81 cutlass supreme and had a wreck and everyone looked at the bent frame and said Yep it's totaled out, I was heartbroken! Nobody attempted to straighten it out
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 this isnt the right way to repair horn damage on a car like that, dear god man you are going to kill yourself or someone else who buys that car. you are supposed to remove the bent horns and weld new ones on, that is why the price is 13,000 at a shop, they will do it CORRECTLY. please learn about collision repair before you do this again, what you're doing is fatiguing metal that was already bent. do me a favor and take a paperclip and see how many times you can bend it until it breaks, notice each time it gets weaker. the metal you're bending is going to protect your ass in a car crash, you do NOT want to do that and weaken it more. do it right and fix it right and for gods sake take this video down before you give someone the idea to do this and they crash and then end up suing you for your "Advice"
@@Runescape. Uhmmmmm...I learned from a collision tech teacher and a website this proverb, "If a structural rail is bent, then straighten it. If a structural rail is kinked or twisted, then (straighten it and) replace it." Accordingly, Rick's front frame rails or frame horns sustained a MINOR side sway, whereas they are just bent, not kinked. Since the whole frame rails are NOT comprised by the damage, it is safe and economical to just to true the frame horns by simply pullin them to specifications, not replacin them. The same applies to a bent TIP of a paper clip. Rick is usin an OLD SKOOL method of structural work, which existed BEFORE frame racks and frame machines did--it's about simple machines my dude. If u feel a certain way about this car, then do not buy it or joy ride it. ☺
I want everyone to know, you can do this without a post. Just drive into your backyard and find a tree and apply all the same steps. That's what I plan to do. I even considered using a light pole in the road in front of my house but someone could complain so better to just use a tree.
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I knew a guy who use to buy vehicles that where involved in a head on, if it wasn't to bad he use to tie the front end to a chain then to a tree and just slam it in reverse. it sure is a hillbilly way of doing things but he was good at it and he even did my truck and it was spot on....
I was amazed when seeing an old timer fix his truck like this using a light pole across the street from his house and a come along. Just be sure not to stand too close! If the chain snaps, that ratchet will fly like a canon ball.
That can happen when using a come along with a cable but a chain is much safer especially when pulling something as light gauge steel as upper frame rails using a 3000 pound 1 and 1/2 ton commercial USA made puller like mine. I would NOT recommend using anything like it that was made in China or Taiwan that's for sure. But then again my puller was nearly $700.00 bucks. So for this job my puller was big time overkill. Thanks for watching and commenting much appreciated.....
*Did the same thing here except for the schedule 40 pole we used two draft horses and for the 4x4 we used a pack mule.* *WOrked great but That stang is a manure wagon now and we drag it from pasture to pasture in the spring.*
I just used the same technique on my 2006 Camry, and rails do not want to come back even with a 8000lb winch. Also, my hood and fenders all shifted a bit. I see on your video that hood was aligned with fenders even before the repair? Then rails were probably ok. It is just the bumper shifted and you just pulled it back. Bumpers do have oval holes for adjustment.
My frame rails were bent. The bumper reinforcement is bolted to the frame rails. They were bent pushed to the passenger side almost 2 and 3/4 inches, forward of the upper control arm which is why my hood and fenders were aligned. All alignment bolts on the defenders and hood were behind the damage. This technique put my car back into factory specs. If you used a 8000 i.e.4 ton winch that should have been enough force to fold a 2006 Camry in half. Also keep in mind I also completely replaced my entire K Frame sub chassis.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 My Camry definitely did not "fold in half", even after doubling 8000lb come along with another one rated at 4000lb 🙂. I managed to move rails a few mm, but need to move another inch. I guess Camry rails are build from thicker metal 🙂. Next I am going to try a 5t (or even 10t) hydraulic pooler, in case my come a long rate is a lie.
@@rvdboston9568 Are you trying to straighten the actual black chassis? If you are then take it to a shop who has a frame straightening machine. Or better yet just spend the money and replace the sub frame, with a new one like I did on my Camaro. The "frame rails" I am pulling are the yellow rails that the chassis is attached to, NOT the actual chassis. I spent $600.00 on a new GM sub frame chassis from the dealer. And if your chassis is damaged I highly recommend replacing it as apposed to straightening it. The chassis/frame shops use 20,000 pound hydraulic pulling towers NOT a "come alongs/winch." Here watch my first video to see how I did the frame replacement and what it looked like before. ruclips.net/video/kJO9QR8lJvs/видео.html
Is it helpful to have the frame rail lifted off the ground by havin the pullin side of the car jacked up? How much force was used to straighten the frame rail?
Yes you need to have it off the ground because the vehicle is going to slide across the ground anyway when you do the pull. And even more importantly I loosened the lower chassis to frame rail attachment bolts to allow the upper frame rail to move independently of the lower brand new frame chassis. The 4 x 6 post is to minimize the movement of the car. And my ratcheting gear box puller is only 3,500 pounds of force. It does not take much pressure to straighten upper frame rails especially since I only needed very little movement. Once this was accomplished I then tightened the chassis to upper frame rails bolts locking them in place. Good luck with your car.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196When u say "lower chassis", do u mean "the subframe"? If so, so when fully screwed up to or locked onto the frame member or to the left frame and right frame rails, does the subframe stop the frame rails from gettin pulled to one side or another? I have a car that has a high-strength steel frame which was recently involved in a not-at-fault accident, fender bender that I am tryin to fix. The front frame member got shifted to the left about a quarter of an inch to the left, and I am tryin to get it shifted back to the right.
@@kainejuice Yes the "lower chassis" is also called a "subframe" ie the black frame the lower control arms, sway bar and rack and piñon attach to. Yes if the subframe is torqued/attached to the upper frame rails you will need a frame matching to do any pulling as you will be pulling both the subframe and the upper frame rails. I recommend you spend the money and buy a brand new subframe or a good unit from the wrecking yard, if it requires any straightening. You can almost NEVER make a bent subframe perfect. If you are only off 1/4th of an inch I recommend taking it to an alignment shop as an alignment might be able to bring it back into factory specs. A quarter inch is nothing. But also if you loosen the subframe mounting bolts it might just pop back into place all on its own. I have seen this happen on more than one occasion. If you loosen the bolts listen for 1 large snapping sound as it pops backing into place.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 So when I loosen the subframe bolts that hold/torque the subframe to the upper frame rails, which have a radiator support bar welded in between, the upper frame rails will pop back into place or back into specifications?
@@kainejuice It is a distinct possibility that yes it will pop back into place. But nothing is guarantied. When you loosen the bolts you are releasing the stress tension steel has a memory and naturally wants to return to its original stamped shape much like a flexed fishing rod as soon as you let it go it returns to its naturally straight shape. Just make sure to loosen only the subframe bolts on the side of the vehicle that has the impact damage, and not the side that is undamaged. But again if I were you I would take it in for an alignment first, the technician will likely be able to adjust your tie rods and controls arms to correct for only a "1/4th inch shift." If you have the extra money take it to a body shop with a frame machine it might only require an hours worth of work. In either case the alignment shop tech will be able to see exactly how far off shifted it is and you can show that to the frame machine tech. What year make and model vehicle are you working on?
I'm looking at a C6 vette that has the corner of the rear metal bumper reinforcement bent in. Is that something that can be straightened with similar technique, without using frame machine? I don't have a pipe in the ground, but I have a tree that is strong
Any way you can post a RUclips video of the damaged section so I can take a look? But most likely you can fix it. But it sounds like something you can simply replace with a new bumper reinforcement. I don't know if it was welded on or bolted on, but either way I would rather replace than repair. I replaced the reinforcement on my Camaro.
I recommend people with wrecked cars like this just take it to the bodyshop and let them pull the frame. And then you can do the rest if you want to. Videos make things look easy and when you try and a chain breaks or snaps a rope and you get hurt, then you will be wishing you did. frame pull is not that expensive, its all the other stuff paint and parts that are..
Hey man , you got any social media to be contacted on, wanna show you my car and what you recommend, thanks in advance really wanna do something like this just don’t know the needs!.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 Thanks my brother for the response but I don’t know how to really post and upload on RUclips. You have a facebook? Again thanks in advance and enjoy your day.
@@7325TRENT Sorry I don't have Facebook I hate Facebook and Zuckerberg. For that matter I don't have any other account other than RUclips, and I also hate RUclips.. Watch this video. "How to post videos on RUclips." ruclips.net/video/VtF2AgFSLAw/видео.html
You would need a ground anchor point. I am assuming when you say 'How do you get the frame level from side to side?" that one side was bent upward? With a ground anchor point you would chain off the front of the frame to the ground and then place a floor jack just behind the frame damage and use a block of wood between the frame and the jack and then jack the car up until the desired result is achieved. In order to make a "ground anchor point" strong enough you would need to dig down and place a chain in the ground and back fill it with reenforced concrete and build a slab to park on. I would do this on all 4 corners "one chain on each corner." But that is likely too much work if you are doing this only once. The best way to fix you car is pay a body shop with a frame machine. Watch this video ruclips.net/video/3Z84m1WOW1k/видео.html but this guy should have welded rebar to the buckets and did this BEFORE pouring the concrete he will likely wind up pulling the buckets right out of the ground.
this is genius! Excellent video and explanation. Major Kudos to you sir!
It's really simple! So many cars are totaled out for a loss because people just didn't know! There was no RUclips when I was growing up! The old generation just didn't have the internet to share ideas like we have today!
You are so right on both counts. Body shop prices are astronomical, if you can fix cars yourself you can make a good chunk of change or get yourself a bargain priced dream car. The estimated repair cost on my Camaro was $13,000.00 I fixed it like new for $2,100.00 in parts and about 16 hours worth of work. Thanks for watching.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 I was. About 18 years old and had a 81 cutlass supreme and had a wreck and everyone looked at the bent frame and said Yep it's totaled out, I was heartbroken! Nobody attempted to straighten it out
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 this isnt the right way to repair horn damage on a car like that, dear god man you are going to kill yourself or someone else who buys that car. you are supposed to remove the bent horns and weld new ones on, that is why the price is 13,000 at a shop, they will do it CORRECTLY. please learn about collision repair before you do this again, what you're doing is fatiguing metal that was already bent. do me a favor and take a paperclip and see how many times you can bend it until it breaks, notice each time it gets weaker. the metal you're bending is going to protect your ass in a car crash, you do NOT want to do that and weaken it more. do it right and fix it right and for gods sake take this video down before you give someone the idea to do this and they crash and then end up suing you for your "Advice"
@@Runescape. Uhmmmmm...I learned from a collision tech teacher and a website this proverb, "If a structural rail is bent, then straighten it. If a structural rail is kinked or twisted, then (straighten it and) replace it." Accordingly, Rick's front frame rails or frame horns sustained a MINOR side sway, whereas they are just bent, not kinked. Since the whole frame rails are NOT comprised by the damage, it is safe and economical to just to true the frame horns by simply pullin them to specifications, not replacin them. The same applies to a bent TIP of a paper clip. Rick is usin an OLD SKOOL method of structural work, which existed BEFORE frame racks and frame machines did--it's about simple machines my dude.
If u feel a certain way about this car, then do not buy it or joy ride it. ☺
I want everyone to know, you can do this without a post. Just drive into your backyard and find a tree and apply all the same steps. That's what I plan to do. I even considered using a light pole in the road in front of my house but someone could complain so better to just use a tree.
I knew a guy who use to buy vehicles that where involved in a head on, if it wasn't to bad he use to tie the front end to a chain then to a tree and just slam it in reverse. it sure is a hillbilly way of doing things but he was good at it and he even did my truck and it was spot on....
I was amazed when seeing an old timer fix his truck like this using a light pole across the street from his house and a come along. Just be sure not to stand too close! If the chain snaps, that ratchet will fly like a canon ball.
That can happen when using a come along with a cable but a chain is much safer especially when pulling something as light gauge steel as upper frame rails using a 3000 pound 1 and 1/2 ton commercial USA made puller like mine. I would NOT recommend using anything like it that was made in China or Taiwan that's for sure. But then again my puller was nearly $700.00 bucks. So for this job my puller was big time overkill. Thanks for watching and commenting much appreciated.....
*Did the same thing here except for the schedule 40 pole we used two draft horses and for the 4x4 we used a pack mule.*
*WOrked great but That stang is a manure wagon now and we drag it from pasture to pasture in the spring.*
That is awesome! LOL!
I just used the same technique on my 2006 Camry, and rails do not want to come back even with a 8000lb winch. Also, my hood and fenders all shifted a bit. I see on your video that hood was aligned with fenders even before the repair? Then rails were probably ok. It is just the bumper shifted and you just pulled it back. Bumpers do have oval holes for adjustment.
My frame rails were bent. The bumper reinforcement is bolted to the frame rails. They were bent pushed to the passenger side almost 2 and 3/4 inches, forward of the upper control arm which is why my hood and fenders were aligned. All alignment bolts on the defenders and hood were behind the damage. This technique put my car back into factory specs. If you used a 8000 i.e.4 ton winch that should have been enough force to fold a 2006 Camry in half. Also keep in mind I also completely replaced my entire K Frame sub chassis.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 My Camry definitely did not "fold in half", even after doubling 8000lb come along with another one rated at 4000lb 🙂. I managed to move rails a few mm, but need to move another inch. I guess Camry rails are build from thicker metal 🙂. Next I am going to try a 5t (or even 10t) hydraulic pooler, in case my come a long rate is a lie.
@@rvdboston9568 Are you trying to straighten the actual black chassis? If you are then take it to a shop who has a frame straightening machine. Or better yet just spend the money and replace the sub frame, with a new one like I did on my Camaro. The "frame rails" I am pulling are the yellow rails that the chassis is attached to, NOT the actual chassis. I spent $600.00 on a new GM sub frame chassis from the dealer. And if your chassis is damaged I highly recommend replacing it as apposed to straightening it. The chassis/frame shops use 20,000 pound hydraulic pulling towers NOT a "come alongs/winch." Here watch my first video to see how I did the frame replacement and what it looked like before. ruclips.net/video/kJO9QR8lJvs/видео.html
Thanks for the idea !
I have the exact issue on a small pickup truck I am going to try your technique.
Best of luck with your project.
Updates?
Is it helpful to have the frame rail lifted off the ground by havin the pullin side of the car jacked up? How much force was used to straighten the frame rail?
Yes you need to have it off the ground because the vehicle is going to slide across the ground anyway when you do the pull. And even more importantly I loosened the lower chassis to frame rail attachment bolts to allow the upper frame rail to move independently of the lower brand new frame chassis. The 4 x 6 post is to minimize the movement of the car. And my ratcheting gear box puller is only 3,500 pounds of force. It does not take much pressure to straighten upper frame rails especially since I only needed very little movement. Once this was accomplished I then tightened the chassis to upper frame rails bolts locking them in place. Good luck with your car.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196When u say "lower chassis", do u mean "the subframe"? If so, so when fully screwed up to or locked onto the frame member or to the left frame and right frame rails, does the subframe stop the frame rails from gettin pulled to one side or another? I have a car that has a high-strength steel frame which was recently involved in a not-at-fault accident, fender bender that I am tryin to fix. The front frame member got shifted to the left about a quarter of an inch to the left, and I am tryin to get it shifted back to the right.
@@kainejuice Yes the "lower chassis" is also called a "subframe" ie the black frame the lower control arms, sway bar and rack and piñon attach to. Yes if the subframe is torqued/attached to the upper frame rails you will need a frame matching to do any pulling as you will be pulling both the subframe and the upper frame rails. I recommend you spend the money and buy a brand new subframe or a good unit from the wrecking yard, if it requires any straightening. You can almost NEVER make a bent subframe perfect. If you are only off 1/4th of an inch I recommend taking it to an alignment shop as an alignment might be able to bring it back into factory specs. A quarter inch is nothing. But also if you loosen the subframe mounting bolts it might just pop back into place all on its own. I have seen this happen on more than one occasion. If you loosen the bolts listen for 1 large snapping sound as it pops backing into place.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 So when I loosen the subframe bolts that hold/torque the subframe to the upper frame rails, which have a radiator support bar welded in between, the upper frame rails will pop back into place or back into specifications?
@@kainejuice It is a distinct possibility that yes it will pop back into place. But nothing is guarantied. When you loosen the bolts you are releasing the stress tension steel has a memory and naturally wants to return to its original stamped shape much like a flexed fishing rod as soon as you let it go it returns to its naturally straight shape. Just make sure to loosen only the subframe bolts on the side of the vehicle that has the impact damage, and not the side that is undamaged. But again if I were you I would take it in for an alignment first, the technician will likely be able to adjust your tie rods and controls arms to correct for only a "1/4th inch shift." If you have the extra money take it to a body shop with a frame machine it might only require an hours worth of work. In either case the alignment shop tech will be able to see exactly how far off shifted it is and you can show that to the frame machine tech. What year make and model vehicle are you working on?
I'm looking at a C6 vette that has the corner of the rear metal bumper reinforcement bent in. Is that something that can be straightened with similar technique, without using frame machine? I don't have a pipe in the ground, but I have a tree that is strong
Any way you can post a RUclips video of the damaged section so I can take a look? But most likely you can fix it. But it sounds like something you can simply replace with a new bumper reinforcement. I don't know if it was welded on or bolted on, but either way I would rather replace than repair. I replaced the reinforcement on my Camaro.
I recommend people with wrecked cars like this just take it to the bodyshop and let them pull the frame. And then you can do the rest if you want to. Videos make things look easy and when you try and a chain breaks or snaps a rope and you get hurt, then you will be wishing you did. frame pull is not that expensive, its all the other stuff paint and parts that are..
Hey man , you got any social media to be contacted on, wanna show you my car and what you recommend, thanks in advance really wanna do something like this just don’t know the needs!.
Sorry I don't, but is you want to post a RUclips video I will be sure to take a look and comment on it.
@@ricksteelcustoms3196 Thanks my brother for the response but I don’t know how to really post and upload on RUclips. You have a facebook? Again thanks in advance and enjoy your day.
@@7325TRENT Sorry I don't have Facebook I hate Facebook and Zuckerberg. For that matter I don't have any other account other than RUclips, and I also hate RUclips.. Watch this video. "How to post videos on RUclips." ruclips.net/video/VtF2AgFSLAw/видео.html
Good job bro
How do you get the frame level from side to side?
You would need a ground anchor point. I am assuming when you say 'How do you get the frame level from side to side?" that one side was bent upward? With a ground anchor point you would chain off the front of the frame to the ground and then place a floor jack just behind the frame damage and use a block of wood between the frame and the jack and then jack the car up until the desired result is achieved. In order to make a "ground anchor point" strong enough you would need to dig down and place a chain in the ground and back fill it with reenforced concrete and build a slab to park on. I would do this on all 4 corners "one chain on each corner." But that is likely too much work if you are doing this only once. The best way to fix you car is pay a body shop with a frame machine. Watch this video ruclips.net/video/3Z84m1WOW1k/видео.html but this guy should have welded rebar to the buckets and did this BEFORE pouring the concrete he will likely wind up pulling the buckets right out of the ground.
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