She did it because she sensed his betrayal although the irony is he probably wouldn't have done it if she hadn't done that to him. Love Jayne regardless because he tries to stop the deal in the end.
@theprogram863 The scene in the last episode where River reads their "subsconscious" when he is with Books.. he outright says "i got stupid the money looked too good" means he really regreted it even if he will never ever acknowledge it..
@@macdallanzero2145 eventually should have been cancelled... but only after a minimum of 7 sessions, but any more than 10 and series tend to go stale and lose their charm.
It was a Blue Sun T-Shirt .... "Two by Two, Hands of Blue", its pretty much an open secret that the Blue Sun corporation is behind half of the secret stuff to do with River, including the "Miranda" trigger in the movie
The irony here is that while you can argue River did this because she sensed his future betrayal, her slashing him here was effectively the tipping point that convinced him to actually try turning them in. Self fulfilling prophecy is fulfilling.
But did she slash him because she sensed his future betrayal? The agents that were hunting River (who wore blue gloves) were employed by Blue Sun. The Blue Sun corporation is involved with what happened to River. The commercial that triggers her in Serenity is a commercial for a Blue Sun product. Now look at the logo on the shirt Jayne’s wearing. The logo River slashed through.
@@JeantheSecond is correct here I think. Also she has shown instinctual actions to mimic the actions/intentions of others. She acts out what other people are thinking about doing. Look at the exchange between Jayne and Simon carefully. Tell me that Jayne isn't thinking about slashing Simon when he says not to spit and all those other things. Sharpening his knife. "Let's not be excluding people, that'd be rude."
Jayne was going to turn on them the moment he got a chance without his being detected. Ariel was probably on his list of planets where he could do it. My guess is that he already had plans to betray them. All he had to do was take some R and R on the planet, contact security, and have Serenity raided while he was still on the planet. His plans were nerfed because Mal states no one is to leave the ship. River reads his intentions and strikes. All the stuff that happens after wasn't predicted by River. I don't think she predicts the future. She reads minds. Jayne ultimately betrays them because he does make it to the planet. The slash across the chest wasn't the last straw. He was just another straw.
@@tonymiller2272 can't it be both? She didn't "attack" other blue sun food/packaging on the ship. Maybe Jayne was a confluence of everything "against her" in that one moment.
I remember watching that scene with my husband for the first time. When Jayne got cut he flinched like crazy since it all started out so peaceful and normal.
Interesting, makes a lot of sense in relation to her statement afterwards, and she seems completely bewildered at everyone's shock, as if she has no idea even then that she has cut him.
@HollowKonpaku I know it's been like 7 months, but to correct you, it was because of the Blue Sun Logo on his shirt. In shindig she pulls the lables of the cans with the Blue Sun logo, and if you listen to her muttering you can tell when she's pulling the lables off Blue Sun had a hand in what was done to her at the academy.
But he didn't this is before he turns them in. It could be argued this was his tipping point, this is what convinced him to betray them. She attacked him first.
@@edwinhughes6493 And it was probaly the logo on the T-shirt that prompted her....just hada thought, is this before or after the episode with the food can label swapping? Either way there is some connection I would say, and all the food could well be from Blue Sun corp.
I love how this scene interacts with a later part of the comic, where Mal asks the crew if there are any comments just before a job. River's reply? "I HATE that color on you. Always have!" Nobody even bats an eye.
Just like in the film where Reavers have punched a hook through Jayne's leg. Everyone including the doctor completely ignores him, and Kaylee causes him more pain by oushing passed him to see if Simon's alright!
@ShockTherapist007 No, it's because of the Blue Sun logo. Just like how she tore up the food cans that had the "Blue Sun" logo and only the "Blue Sun" logo.
For context, River is picking up on Simon's dislike of Jayne. When Jayne dismisses Simon, it's likely he had some intrusive thoughts. River is unable to distinguish her own emotions from those of others she's reading. So also can't control those emotions, so River slashed Jayne...but Simon inadvertently made her do it.
@Maxillius apparently theres gonna be a comic strip thingy that reveals a few of them.(just a rumor i heard a couple months back, that has no real basis as far as i know, but we can hope.)
@FireflyFanatic3 i agree, I also thought Jayne had a thing for Kaylee because he's always nicer to her and worries over her. Particularly when that 1 guy shoots her and he's ready to kill the man
@tehBLAX It's a food company though hints were dropped that it's way more than that and that it's in someway connected to those scary Hands of Blue guys.
@naroays I also think that one of the reasons (alongside the initial pompousness and rich snobness of Simon) that Jayne always hated Simon was cos he liked Kaylee. Well, that's my take anyway ... like he just stands and watches through the window when she's in the infirmary, looking so concerned, and that's really not like Jayne.
@DurrutisGhost I had no idea! Maybe that's why she initially hates the bible? Aw man, these are probably things that would have been clarified had this AWESOME programme been given a chance to continue :(
I'm guessing the Blue Sun was a clever coverup for the Alliance's black ops division that ran the academy that hurt River the way they did? No wonder she went ape, then! Here's hoping that if Firefly gets a second season put on the web, we get to see this storyline developed!
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she slashed him because he was wearing the blue sun logo, and she already sensed he'd been thinking of betraying them.
Jayne hesitated and showed remarkable restraint when he backhanded River. I think he was actually growing accustomed to them. :)
I want to go swimming in a bioluminescant lake, that sounds fun.
"bio-luminescant lake".....or in non-science-y terms "a pool of stagnant cave water covered in glowworm shit."
@@tazmon122 lol.
you must be a lot of fun at space parties.
Add just a touch of radiation - you can feel the tingles!
I used to go swimming in a bioluminescent lagoon. I didn't realise how awesome it was at the time.
@@tazmon122 loser
"Beats just sittin'."
"...It IS just sitting..."
lol
She did it because she sensed his betrayal although the irony is he probably wouldn't have done it if she hadn't done that to him. Love Jayne regardless because he tries to stop the deal in the end.
@TheGirlgamer3 he never tries to stop it in the end, he just realized the Feds double-crossed him and he was just trying to save his own arse.
@theprogram863 The scene in the last episode where River reads their "subsconscious" when he is with Books.. he outright says "i got stupid the money looked too good" means he really regreted it even if he will never ever acknowledge it..
I love how everyone just assumes that it doesn't count if Jayne gets hurt because he's Jayne and is probably used to it by now.
And now it's just a million and one things about the show we'll neer know about.
Because it was cancelled.
Well the movie answers a little bit about her and her past.
Never, ever should have been canceled.
we do have the comics, so it's not all bad
@@macdallanzero2145 eventually should have been cancelled... but only after a minimum of 7 sessions, but any more than 10 and series tend to go stale and lose their charm.
It was a Blue Sun T-Shirt .... "Two by Two, Hands of Blue", its pretty much an open secret that the Blue Sun corporation is behind half of the secret stuff to do with River, including the "Miranda" trigger in the movie
The irony here is that while you can argue River did this because she sensed his future betrayal, her slashing him here was effectively the tipping point that convinced him to actually try turning them in.
Self fulfilling prophecy is fulfilling.
But did she slash him because she sensed his future betrayal? The agents that were hunting River (who wore blue gloves) were employed by Blue Sun. The Blue Sun corporation is involved with what happened to River. The commercial that triggers her in Serenity is a commercial for a Blue Sun product. Now look at the logo on the shirt Jayne’s wearing. The logo River slashed through.
@@JeantheSecond is correct here I think. Also she has shown instinctual actions to mimic the actions/intentions of others. She acts out what other people are thinking about doing. Look at the exchange between Jayne and Simon carefully. Tell me that Jayne isn't thinking about slashing Simon when he says not to spit and all those other things. Sharpening his knife. "Let's not be excluding people, that'd be rude."
Jayne was going to turn on them the moment he got a chance without his being detected. Ariel was probably on his list of planets where he could do it. My guess is that he already had plans to betray them. All he had to do was take some R and R on the planet, contact security, and have Serenity raided while he was still on the planet. His plans were nerfed because Mal states no one is to leave the ship. River reads his intentions and strikes. All the stuff that happens after wasn't predicted by River. I don't think she predicts the future. She reads minds. Jayne ultimately betrays them because he does make it to the planet. The slash across the chest wasn't the last straw. He was just another straw.
@@IamnotJohnFord She was attacking the Blue Sun logo on his t-shirt
@@tonymiller2272 can't it be both?
She didn't "attack" other blue sun food/packaging on the ship.
Maybe Jayne was a confluence of everything "against her" in that one moment.
I remember watching that scene with my husband for the first time. When Jayne got cut he flinched like crazy since it all started out so peaceful and normal.
"You owe me a shirt."
2:12 camera work here reminded me of the Office for some reason
She just looks so innocent, it's almost scary.
You know, after watching Objects in Space I wonder if River thought the knife was a paint roller or something. lol
Watch "Meet the Pyro" from teamfortress;)
Interesting, makes a lot of sense in relation to her statement afterwards, and she seems completely bewildered at everyone's shock, as if she has no idea even then that she has cut him.
@HollowKonpaku
I know it's been like 7 months, but to correct you, it was because of the Blue Sun Logo on his shirt. In shindig she pulls the lables of the cans with the Blue Sun logo, and if you listen to her muttering you can tell when she's pulling the lables off Blue Sun had a hand in what was done to her at the academy.
Use your words River.
Actually Jayne looks better in an orange hand knitted beanie cap
I love Jayne, but you gotta admit, he kinda deserved that XD
River and Jayne are the best characters ever.
And probably a good couple.
But he didn't this is before he turns them in. It could be argued this was his tipping point, this is what convinced him to betray them. She attacked him first.
@@edwinhughes6493 And it was probaly the logo on the T-shirt that prompted her....just hada thought, is this before or after the episode with the food can label swapping? Either way there is some connection I would say, and all the food could well be from Blue Sun corp.
@The Program maybe but like I said this is what could have pushed him in that direction.
@The Program maybe but I think you're over complicating it with some kind of self fulfilling prophecy.
oh gawd, dear lord, I forgot about that scene!
...disturbing as all hell, but just as hilarious!
I have the episodes on DVD.
If you do manage to see them again, keep your eyes open for the Blue sun Logo you see on Jaynes shirt.
huh, I'll have to watch it again and keep an eye out for the suns. HEAR THAT FOX!!! I WANT TO WATCH IT AGAIN!!! TOO BAD I CAN'T WATCH IT ON A TV!!!
Poor Jane !!! Jane why you messed with that Woman?? You already know she ain't all there. Dummy!!!
I got that exact shirt, hope no one slashes me with a knife
Well it's been over a year, so, you know... we're biding our time.
I love how this scene interacts with a later part of the comic, where Mal asks the crew if there are any comments just before a job. River's reply?
"I HATE that color on you. Always have!"
Nobody even bats an eye.
love love love
A second season of Firefly, it would be awesome. Sadly I just don't see that happening.
maybe it is better, wouldn´t be the same
Just like in the film where Reavers have punched a hook through Jayne's leg. Everyone including the doctor completely ignores him, and Kaylee causes him more pain by oushing passed him to see if Simon's alright!
I always liked that Mal was just as disgusted by Jayne's spitting as Simon, the crew's overly fastidious and fancy-pants member.
@ShockTherapist007 No, it's because of the Blue Sun logo. Just like how she tore up the food cans that had the "Blue Sun" logo and only the "Blue Sun" logo.
For context, River is picking up on Simon's dislike of Jayne. When Jayne dismisses Simon, it's likely he had some intrusive thoughts. River is unable to distinguish her own emotions from those of others she's reading. So also can't control those emotions, so River slashed Jayne...but Simon inadvertently made her do it.
Ah, wacky fun
That's messed up with a capital "F".
@Maxillius apparently theres gonna be a comic strip thingy that reveals a few of them.(just a rumor i heard a couple months back, that has no real basis as far as i know, but we can hope.)
Damn we still waiting
@naroays whats the blue suns?
If you watch the sessions she also goes crazy at one point and tears up her mattress... Poor River.
Epic
@FireflyFanatic3 i agree, I also thought Jayne had a thing for Kaylee because he's always nicer to her and worries over her. Particularly when that 1 guy shoots her and he's ready to kill the man
That Blue Sun had some significance.
ANd that River didn't like Blue Sun
@juniper427
in the movie they did go to a very blue planet
@HollowKonpaku
actually no.
It's only implied in the series and confirmed in the commentaries and at COnventions.
@CcPokemon1313 Simon's best line
One can only wonder why they cancelled a great show like this and then proceed to make Another Life.
what was confirmed in commentaries?
@tehBLAX It's a food company though hints were dropped that it's way more than that and that it's in someway connected to those scary Hands of Blue guys.
@wherokee178 yeah ... aw damn that would have been such a good storyline to develop!!
@naroays so basically she hates blue? because them guy's had blue hands right?
@loravine - Oh! That makes so much more sense now! I never got it, I just thought she was being psycho as usual.
Well she was being psycho - she just didnt know it
@naroays I also think that one of the reasons (alongside the initial pompousness and rich snobness of Simon) that Jayne always hated Simon was cos he liked Kaylee. Well, that's my take anyway ... like he just stands and watches through the window when she's in the infirmary, looking so concerned, and that's really not like Jayne.
I don't get why he says 'can I use companion as a verb?'...
old ass comment lol but w/e, he said licence to companion like licence to kill
@DurrutisGhost I had no idea! Maybe that's why she initially hates the bible? Aw man, these are probably things that would have been clarified had this AWESOME programme been given a chance to continue :(
Lets not go excludin people! 😆😆
That'll be rude
I'm guessing the Blue Sun was a clever coverup for the Alliance's black ops division that ran the academy that hurt River the way they did? No wonder she went ape, then!
Here's hoping that if Firefly gets a second season put on the web, we get to see this storyline developed!
'7 years ago'. Shiii
lol
she sliced his chest and he punches her, and only Zoey checks if he;s okay but everyone else goes to River lol. And then she says I just love her.
Jayne is expendable. And look at his shirt
@The Program I made this comment a long time ago but I think I meant to type “ and then she says he looks better in red” I love her
@naroays I just caught on to that...so makes me wonder.
@naroays Lol I thought she slashed him because she knew he was going to betray her.
Yet this was probably Jaynes tipping point , she attacked him first.
Don't you just love a little River slash? (see what I did thar?)
har har har
@DurrutisGhost
ah ok thanks :)
She slashed him because she knows the prick is going to betray her and Simon to the Feds.
Yet attacking him was Jaynes tipping point. She attacked him first why does nobody ever want to acknowledge that.
@@edwinhughes6493 Never occurred to any of them to ask River why she attacked him.
Would that matter if you were Jayne?
@@edwinhughes6493 Yes it would. River slashes with your knife and there's a reason for it.
@@danielwilliamson6180 not one that at that moment that would satisfy Jayne or most people for that matter.
@gaishared or guns.