This video made me so happy! I always wanted to do this setup, but I was afraid the dps drop was going to be worse. I just have trusted my gut since I've tried parsing with either all attributes in mag, stam, or an even split and the dps difference was less than the random fluctuations of crit luck. Now it's time to fully hybridize my depths+nirn!
@@naplzt4k hmmm I thought after hybridization skills choose the highest of your offensive stat or your highest resource, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise. Like how the old Power of the Light morph scaled off of Weapon Power only and Purifying Light only scaled off of Spell Damage until update 36.
I wish I had known this sooner!!! I’ve been spreading the attributes across all three and wondering why I’m loosing so much stamina when in combat ☠️ hahaha. Thanks so much!!!
Tri-stat foods & prismatic glyphs are great for solo builds, I've been using BSS with prismatic glyphs on my HA OakenSorc for a while now, can solo most basegame vetHM's & a few DLC ones with it. I do swap over to a more traditional setup when i'm grouping up though, gotta squeeze out that last drop of dps!
Great video. People need to get out of the right vs wrong mindset and understand it's pros and cons with diminishing returns both ways. As long as your hitting the DPS needed for mechanics & your groups goals. It's okay to take marginal DPS losses for other benefits (Health/Sustain/Etc).
Great material, like always. This is helpful while e.q. stam character have to use some light pieces to reach penetration cap, but it's ruining stamina sustain.
I like this style of video especially as a solo who dabbles in group content I want to know where I can shift things around to make me more "tanky" while solo'ing without having a huge negative effect on my DPS for group content. I think it is misunderstood where and how and what greatly affects your DPS output and what doesnt... aka where is your biggest DPS bang for the buck so to speak...is it in the sets, glyphs, traits, mundus, race, or what? Where should players concentrate their efforts to get the biggest dps gains and what can be shifted around to provide a little more survivability for either solo play or in pugs. IMO i think a lot of people what a set and forget build one that is good enough to get you through everything without worrying about getting blasted for not doing enough dps or not being able to make it through content quickly because of reduced DPS hits hard enough to be fun, has enough survivability to solo some content with companion, but not a dungeon crawl tho either.
Small gripe on the whole from a video that I like for defending a valid play style, and thank you as always for doing that, Skinny, but to me, it feels a bit like you glossed over how recovery more or less equals damage for a lot of classes/situations. If you're talking about food, I feel like it's important to note that if you have a tight weave, you're much more likely to run out of resources if you're not on a heavy attack build or strong recovery food, that's probably what our friend on Discord's bullies were trying to get at. (Edit because reasons: I do love the point about tristat glyphs though, and may try using a couple on large pieces for my dps for solo setups for the survivability, so thanks for that especially!)
It can sure. But that just goes back to using the right tool for your situation. For example, my stam sustain on my Stam DK is excellent and I don't have any use for a recovery food there. The general idea of the video was to show the different options available and how they can be viable for different scenarios.
@@skinnycheeks Thanks for the reply, that makes total sense, and I'm right there with ya. Thanks again for the video, awesome to support folks and help justify the reasonable decisions they make in designing their builds, even if others with different priorities can't see the light on it.
I haven’t not used bistat food in raids for many patches. More max resource for more damage and a huge health pool to make you tankier. For dungeons or solo, I can definitely understand where you’re coming from, but a decent trials group should be bringing so much sustain from support sets and skills that bistat is more than viable on any spec. This is even more true with hybridization, as you can just mix in off-resource skills if you need some sustain help.
Interesting, much was not too surprising as mathematically it just makes sense. 2% difference for something else gained is not something people should be making fun of others for. Everyone plays differently and at different levels of play. I'm very sure this will help some people to make their builds work better for them and in different situations. Thanks for the great video!
The first time I played DK after they made whip cost both magicka and stamina, I instantly put on bewitched sugar skulls and never looked back. Sometimes I also run igneous weapons and use tri stat potions too. Don't care. Do plenty of damage and never run out of anything
As someone who plays quite a bit of pvp, having more stam and health on a magic build is a MUST. as it turns out, being alive is your biggest damage multiplier. When hp is 0, so is dps.
I love all the data and effort you put into this Skinny Cheeks. This is truly very helpful!! Thanks for all of the content all year and best wishes for 2023!!
Interesting video ! We all know you made that imperial to do toggle back in the days :D On a serious note, do you know how much damage increase or loss is running infused piece with or without tri stat/single stat glyphs on a scenario where you can't use thief mundus stone? I always wondered
Great video, as always! Tons of usual info! I’d love to see the build you are using in this video. Looks like you have a bit of hybrid solo set up going, running stamdk with inferno staff bb. Is this similar to your aoe set up on the website? Thanks!
Tall order, or maybe I haven’t paid attention, but I’d love to see a parse with imperial stamdk. That’s exactly how I started, but I am having stamina issues with parses. It’s embarrassing but I’m practicing, trying to see where mistakes were made
Dude, I've been debating for SO long using prismatic glyphs and a tri stat food. I'm a magicks DPS HA build and I do about 80K DPS (only CP 400) bit I struggle with stamina so much it's not even funny. Seems like making this switch would still maintain a 70K+ DPS rotation and alleviate the stamina issues to better deal with mechanics.
@@skinnycheeks oh I know it lol. If you look at my videos, I shot a solo cinematic fight of Maligalig’s maelstrom without the hud on from a bunch of weird camera angles and it was wild lol. Its super fun though. Id pay to watch a really good trials group run an entire vdsr with no hud
FYI, I am fine with people using tri-stat food and prismatic glyphs ! The gif was pretty accurate of my performance in vMoL Backyard, though, or right side vSS.. or pretty much anywhere I have a chance of falling off stuff. It is a calling...
Skinny Cheeks, could you please explain how to increase the damage bonuses in the advanced stats. It seems like it broken on console, it doesn't show any increase on flat numbers.😢
I love your answer to this guy's question insignificantly small like the brains that are making fun of people using it LOL that just killed me man. I to use bss when I am running a bunch of solo content it is nice to have that off resource I can put an extra heel on or another damage skill that is using my off resource and still be powerful. It is like you said having your off resource for other skills is powerful especially with the way they are going with the hybridization
Hi man u awesome! I have an Important question: We are unsure in our guild about the crit. Is it right that ur skills always have the crit Chance of the higher crit base, even they are Magic skills?? So for example: NB selfbuffed is 6% wp crit > sp crit. So 62% wpcrit and 56% spcrit for example. Do u have now the 62% on all of ur skills? Even on Path, conceal weapon, bow,....? Or Just on stamina Morphs? Pls reply to this question, its rly important for us, in special for PvP 🤔
The tri-stat setup would be what we in the MH world call "comfy meta". Not enough damage loss to matter outside of the absolute pinnacle of content and speedruns, but so much more comfy in most of the game.
Update 36 didn’t really do much wrong except all the bugs. But yeah they have some stuff they could clean up to make things easier to understand for sure.
ngl, i've been using infused on chest, legs, helm with prismatic glyphs just for a little more beef and magicka and havn't noticed a huge loss in dps maybe 1% crit from not using divines. Though I'm also a 90k to 100k dps player i'm not a 120k dps chad D:
So what I am hearing is I have been waaaay undervaluing tristat glyphs for solo play. I could pump my solo warden up and over 32k health, which a buuuunch more stamina by swapping to tristat glyphs without sacrificing almost anything. And when trying to solo something like Vet Coral Aerie or other vet DLC dungeons, that could be a real game changer honestly. The extra stamina will be huge for roll dodging especially. Huge.
funny fact? on my mag chars i dont miss that much stam in hybrid, as i miss mag in my stam chars. In case of my hybrid dk, i use bistat food but heroism potions that return mag and stam.
Skinny Cheeks: "Dark Elf the most common choice for DPS". Me: No way José, I love my bosmer DPS Big Sword-Destruction Staff (non archer). Hehehehe. Related to video: My main food was Sticky Pork and Radish Noodles, but it takes to much flour (i am hardcore housing, invest too much flour was a sin). Then i started to use Longfin Patsy with Melon Sauce (fish, melon and green are cheap, Mirriam is ez to get). Two months ago i finally got the Sugar Skulls recipe (rng favored me on witches festival this year). But i still use the trustable Longfin in normal dungeon, I use skull just for veteran dungeon or complicated arenas. I cannot trial, so much people make me uncomfortable. To me Longfin is just perfect.
I've got a question it's about the new set from grave deep I believe it's called something in vulnerability it is the set where you stack light attacks and you get basically a free war horn you know the set I'm talking about how is that stacking up for solo play? I seen it I just haven't tested it yet and wanted somebody's opinion other than my own
That is exactly what I was wondering about I am gonna use it on a solo set up. Thank you just really haven't found the time to put a full set of it together works been crazy here lately but I've got time this weekend being Christmas and all wanted to say thank you again and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
2% damage loss for being able to build/play whatever way you want is nothing. This is great news! This video and recently playing balder's gate 3 makes me realize I really want to play DnD but with ESO setting and skills/spells incorporated into player choices.
So question I’m running a Dark Elf Stam DK DPS. With lava food soup, i have 31k stam. I noticed his DK had 35k stam. Why is my stam so low even with good food. My health is also 18.9k so I’m trying to figure out why my stats are so low. CP is 840.
The red cp that gives hp maybe a reason + he may have been showing stats while War horn active + undaunted passive + tristat glyphs (maybe idk). Usually if you run 22k hp is enough, if you use like dubious camouran throune for 4 man content and some health glyphs ur good, like 1 big piece health glyph. For trials you can go tristat food for higher resource pools, since sustain tends to be wwwaaayy better + ur "responsibilities"/reaction to mechanics that consumes your resources tend to be lower in trials, so you can focus more on dps and less on sustaining
@@ItzGenesis all good points and i didn’t think about any of those. Thank you. All my red CP items are maxed. (fortified, Vitality, and i forget the other). Thank you for your response. I greatly appreciate it and the help. 😊
@@flyfordays yeah np man, i would mostly recomend getting to at least 21k hp, and getting to something that gets you a decent sustain on your resources, dont worry too much about the max resource, if it feels good and you feel like you are performing well, its usually the route to go!
ur star recovery when i watch ur videos and "guides" and try to follow the i never have enough stam or mag when playing solo or even dungeons runs? why dont u include those? to sustain solo I have to eat Jewels of Misrule to go through solo farming.
love these kinds of deep-dive videos. the glyphs section was super interesting. 7:08 ayo I'm famous 13:10-13:20 same brother
This video made me so happy! I always wanted to do this setup, but I was afraid the dps drop was going to be worse. I just have trusted my gut since I've tried parsing with either all attributes in mag, stam, or an even split and the dps difference was less than the random fluctuations of crit luck. Now it's time to fully hybridize my depths+nirn!
@@naplzt4k hmmm I thought after hybridization skills choose the highest of your offensive stat or your highest resource, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise. Like how the old Power of the Light morph scaled off of Weapon Power only and Purifying Light only scaled off of Spell Damage until update 36.
I Use tri-stat glyphs on my healer and the eye-balls for food. Makes for good survival and plenty sustain.
I wish I had known this sooner!!! I’ve been spreading the attributes across all three and wondering why I’m loosing so much stamina when in combat ☠️ hahaha. Thanks so much!!!
I've been running a hybrid stamsorc ever since the hybridization, and I love it. This video is great for me.
Great technical comparison, appreciate your insights!
Tri-stat foods & prismatic glyphs are great for solo builds, I've been using BSS with prismatic glyphs on my HA OakenSorc for a while now, can solo most basegame vetHM's & a few DLC ones with it. I do swap over to a more traditional setup when i'm grouping up though, gotta squeeze out that last drop of dps!
And how about prismatic glyph and mag+stam bi-food?
Love this!!! I’ve felt the same and so happy to see it laid out so clearly! 😊🙏🏻
Loooooooooooove it! (You know what ) And thank you for getting into this topic, I'm still struggling with hybridization and where to put what.
Exactly! Great content, as always, Skinny. Thanks.
Great video. People need to get out of the right vs wrong mindset and understand it's pros and cons with diminishing returns both ways.
As long as your hitting the DPS needed for mechanics & your groups goals. It's okay to take marginal DPS losses for other benefits (Health/Sustain/Etc).
thank you!
You should make a guide on what to binge watch while playing a HA sorc! Merry christmas Mr Cheeks
Merry Christmas Mr. Cheeks! ❄️
Merry Christmas!
This sounds great for soloing dungeons. I’ll try it. Thx SC
This is nothing to do with solo play
This is an amazing video! I was talking to someone the other day about using BSS. It is okay and a dead DPS is 0 dps. Thanks for you work!
Thanx for the vid and the setup! Btw. New design? Like it!
Great material, like always. This is helpful while e.q. stam character have to use some light pieces to reach penetration cap, but it's ruining stamina sustain.
I like this style of video especially as a solo who dabbles in group content I want to know where I can shift things around to make me more "tanky" while solo'ing without having a huge negative effect on my DPS for group content. I think it is misunderstood where and how and what greatly affects your DPS output and what doesnt... aka where is your biggest DPS bang for the buck so to speak...is it in the sets, glyphs, traits, mundus, race, or what? Where should players concentrate their efforts to get the biggest dps gains and what can be shifted around to provide a little more survivability for either solo play or in pugs. IMO i think a lot of people what a set and forget build one that is good enough to get you through everything without worrying about getting blasted for not doing enough dps or not being able to make it through content quickly because of reduced DPS hits hard enough to be fun, has enough survivability to solo some content with companion, but not a dungeon crawl tho either.
yeah there are a lot of pieces to the puzzle for sure.
Small gripe on the whole from a video that I like for defending a valid play style, and thank you as always for doing that, Skinny, but to me, it feels a bit like you glossed over how recovery more or less equals damage for a lot of classes/situations. If you're talking about food, I feel like it's important to note that if you have a tight weave, you're much more likely to run out of resources if you're not on a heavy attack build or strong recovery food, that's probably what our friend on Discord's bullies were trying to get at. (Edit because reasons: I do love the point about tristat glyphs though, and may try using a couple on large pieces for my dps for solo setups for the survivability, so thanks for that especially!)
It can sure. But that just goes back to using the right tool for your situation. For example, my stam sustain on my Stam DK is excellent and I don't have any use for a recovery food there. The general idea of the video was to show the different options available and how they can be viable for different scenarios.
@@skinnycheeks Thanks for the reply, that makes total sense, and I'm right there with ya. Thanks again for the video, awesome to support folks and help justify the reasonable decisions they make in designing their builds, even if others with different priorities can't see the light on it.
Cant remember the last time i ran out of Stam. If 6k stam food lasted longer, id use it
I haven’t not used bistat food in raids for many patches. More max resource for more damage and a huge health pool to make you tankier. For dungeons or solo, I can definitely understand where you’re coming from, but a decent trials group should be bringing so much sustain from support sets and skills that bistat is more than viable on any spec.
This is even more true with hybridization, as you can just mix in off-resource skills if you need some sustain help.
Interesting, much was not too surprising as mathematically it just makes sense. 2% difference for something else gained is not something people should be making fun of others for. Everyone plays differently and at different levels of play. I'm very sure this will help some people to make their builds work better for them and in different situations. Thanks for the great video!
You got me, when you said "Let's ve better than that." AWESOME 👌 👏 👍
The first time I played DK after they made whip cost both magicka and stamina, I instantly put on bewitched sugar skulls and never looked back. Sometimes I also run igneous weapons and use tri stat potions too. Don't care. Do plenty of damage and never run out of anything
As someone who plays quite a bit of pvp, having more stam and health on a magic build is a MUST. as it turns out, being alive is your biggest damage multiplier. When hp is 0, so is dps.
I started a imperial dk last night.
Very helpfull guide! Thank you for this!
I love all the data and effort you put into this Skinny Cheeks. This is truly very helpful!! Thanks for all of the content all year and best wishes for 2023!!
Skinny you are the best srsly , every time i recommend you to newbs, i remember how grateful i am and others should be for your content
Interesting video ! We all know you made that imperial to do toggle back in the days :D
On a serious note, do you know how much damage increase or loss is running infused piece with or without tri stat/single stat glyphs on a scenario where you can't use thief mundus stone? I always wondered
I've been using purple tri-stat craftable food for 3 years. It works great
Boa, nice Video and the Startupscreen has a nice Logo
The tri stat and prismatic is how lot of pvp guys play but also focus on higher health in general in pvp to not get 1 shot by the gankers
Great video, as always! Tons of usual info! I’d love to see the build you are using in this video. Looks like you have a bit of hybrid solo set up going, running stamdk with inferno staff bb. Is this similar to your aoe set up on the website? Thanks!
tri-stat glyph looks pretty flexible gonna use it with recovery food(no max hp) on necro or dk
Tall order, or maybe I haven’t paid attention, but I’d love to see a parse with imperial stamdk. That’s exactly how I started, but I am having stamina issues with parses. It’s embarrassing but I’m practicing, trying to see where mistakes were made
All that tri stat and enchants sounds good for a solo build
Happy holidays @Skinnycheeks and thank you for more amazing info.
you too! and thank you
You could argue that if the mag/stam increased recovery could increase a persons total dps with the help with overall resource use
Dude, I've been debating for SO long using prismatic glyphs and a tri stat food. I'm a magicks DPS HA build and I do about 80K DPS (only CP 400) bit I struggle with stamina so much it's not even funny. Seems like making this switch would still maintain a 70K+ DPS rotation and alleviate the stamina issues to better deal with mechanics.
IS THIS NON PARSE, NON-DUNGEON-TRIFECTA FOOTAGE IN A SKINNY CHEEKS VIDEO?!?! This is a whole new world.
it was tricky playing with the UI off trying to remember where my buttons were hahaha
@@skinnycheeks oh I know it lol. If you look at my videos, I shot a solo cinematic fight of Maligalig’s maelstrom without the hud on from a bunch of weird camera angles and it was wild lol. Its super fun though. Id pay to watch a really good trials group run an entire vdsr with no hud
FYI, I am fine with people using tri-stat food and prismatic glyphs ! The gif was pretty accurate of my performance in vMoL Backyard, though, or right side vSS.. or pretty much anywhere I have a chance of falling off stuff. It is a calling...
😂
Skinny Cheeks, could you please explain how to increase the damage bonuses in the advanced stats. It seems like it broken on console, it doesn't show any increase on flat numbers.😢
I love your answer to this guy's question insignificantly small like the brains that are making fun of people using it LOL that just killed me man. I to use bss when I am running a bunch of solo content it is nice to have that off resource I can put an extra heel on or another damage skill that is using my off resource and still be powerful. It is like you said having your off resource for other skills is powerful especially with the way they are going with the hybridization
Hi man u awesome! I have an Important question: We are unsure in our guild about the crit. Is it right that ur skills always have the crit Chance of the higher crit base, even they are Magic skills??
So for example: NB selfbuffed is 6% wp crit > sp crit.
So 62% wpcrit and 56% spcrit for example.
Do u have now the 62% on all of ur skills? Even on Path, conceal weapon, bow,....? Or Just on stamina Morphs?
Pls reply to this question, its rly important for us, in special for PvP 🤔
The tri-stat setup would be what we in the MH world call "comfy meta". Not enough damage loss to matter outside of the absolute pinnacle of content and speedruns, but so much more comfy in most of the game.
"Comfy Meta" haha. I like that term.
I'm using sugar skulls on my "stam dk" and it works perfectly
@lnboxmeontele_gramskinnycheeks yeah No thx mr scammer
Happily the awesome and long wanted Update 36 finally made Things way less complicated for newer Players.....chrmchrm chrm....👀
Update 36 didn’t really do much wrong except all the bugs. But yeah they have some stuff they could clean up to make things easier to understand for sure.
Oh i meant 35 actually xD But yeah 36 has....other Probs 😅😅😅
thank you skinny, you've convinced me to move off my 1/62/1 setup after 2 years owo
😂 Merry Christmas dude
@@skinnycheeks have a ver merry christmas too 🤩
ngl, i've been using infused on chest, legs, helm with prismatic glyphs just for a little more beef and magicka and havn't noticed a huge loss in dps maybe 1% crit from not using divines. Though I'm also a 90k to 100k dps player i'm not a 120k dps chad D:
So what I am hearing is I have been waaaay undervaluing tristat glyphs for solo play. I could pump my solo warden up and over 32k health, which a buuuunch more stamina by swapping to tristat glyphs without sacrificing almost anything. And when trying to solo something like Vet Coral Aerie or other vet DLC dungeons, that could be a real game changer honestly. The extra stamina will be huge for roll dodging especially. Huge.
yep! I think so!
Nice.
can we get a guide on a bow stamina necromancer DPS? Would be much appreciated 🤝
Was the build shown (a templar) used in pve or thats a pvp build?
funny fact? on my mag chars i dont miss that much stam in hybrid, as i miss mag in my stam chars. In case of my hybrid dk, i use bistat food but heroism potions that return mag and stam.
Yeah pots with mag plus stam are amazing
So... On my new oc my stats really suck!
My stats:
-magika: 14
-stamina: 14
-health: 16
Skinny Cheeks: "Dark Elf the most common choice for DPS".
Me: No way José, I love my bosmer DPS Big Sword-Destruction Staff (non archer). Hehehehe.
Related to video: My main food was Sticky Pork and Radish Noodles, but it takes to much flour (i am hardcore housing, invest too much flour was a sin). Then i started to use Longfin Patsy with Melon Sauce (fish, melon and green are cheap, Mirriam is ez to get). Two months ago i finally got the Sugar Skulls recipe (rng favored me on witches festival this year). But i still use the trustable Longfin in normal dungeon, I use skull just for veteran dungeon or complicated arenas. I cannot trial, so much people make me uncomfortable. To me Longfin is just perfect.
I've got a question it's about the new set from grave deep I believe it's called something in vulnerability it is the set where you stack light attacks and you get basically a free war horn you know the set I'm talking about how is that stacking up for solo play? I seen it I just haven't tested it yet and wanted somebody's opinion other than my own
It’s really strong if you don’t have good war horn uptimes
That is exactly what I was wondering about I am gonna use it on a solo set up. Thank you just really haven't found the time to put a full set of it together works been crazy here lately but I've got time this weekend being Christmas and all wanted to say thank you again and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
@@mikehazel9991 Merry Christmas to you too!
2% damage loss for being able to build/play whatever way you want is nothing. This is great news!
This video and recently playing balder's gate 3 makes me realize I really want to play DnD but with ESO setting and skills/spells incorporated into player choices.
Oh man. D&D with elder scrolls setting sounds amazing
people need to keep in mind doing vets dead dd's dont do any damage
So question I’m running a Dark Elf Stam DK DPS. With lava food soup, i have 31k stam. I noticed his DK had 35k stam. Why is my stam so low even with good food. My health is also 18.9k so I’m trying to figure out why my stats are so low. CP is 840.
The red cp that gives hp maybe a reason + he may have been showing stats while War horn active + undaunted passive + tristat glyphs (maybe idk).
Usually if you run 22k hp is enough, if you use like dubious camouran throune for 4 man content and some health glyphs ur good, like 1 big piece health glyph.
For trials you can go tristat food for higher resource pools, since sustain tends to be wwwaaayy better + ur "responsibilities"/reaction to mechanics that consumes your resources tend to be lower in trials, so you can focus more on dps and less on sustaining
@@ItzGenesis all good points and i didn’t think about any of those. Thank you. All my red CP items are maxed. (fortified, Vitality, and i forget the other). Thank you for your response. I greatly appreciate it and the help. 😊
@@flyfordays yeah np man, i would mostly recomend getting to at least 21k hp, and getting to something that gets you a decent sustain on your resources, dont worry too much about the max resource, if it feels good and you feel like you are performing well, its usually the route to go!
Yep if check the beginning of the comparisons section I show the gear used and mention war horn and minor toughness being active.
So does tanks do more damage now then? With 64 health?
No, for your attributes it only stamina and magicka for dmg, not health.
can you explain damage , critical and cost pen … like im 5…please lol 😂
I use sugar skull for every. Just set and forget.
For the love of God more dps guides, so many 500+ cp players with like 11k dps
Good information I hope skinny cheeks isn't your prison name
U hit the ground running lol
ur star recovery when i watch ur videos and "guides" and try to follow the i never have enough stam or mag when playing solo or even dungeons runs? why dont u include those? to sustain solo I have to eat Jewels of Misrule to go through solo farming.
I always recommend changing food to fit your needs. There is no one size fits all answer
@skinnycheeks, imperial DK is BIS for DK, please give pvp a try. I think u would love it in short time.
Oh I’ve done plenty lol. Just not recently
@@skinnycheeks would love some pvp content :D
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She does NOT approve this video!
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