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I LOVE that this system exists even though I'll not likely be in a position to buy into it. They are re-thinking what a modern camera could be (at least, within one genre) in ways that major manufactures might never do in our lifetimes. Leica COULD also innovate here based on their rangefinder experience and market focus but they're so far out of any hint of "mainstream" as to be irrelevant in this consideration. I wish Pixii success.
📷 There is also a Pixii Camera User Group on Facebook (I know, FB sucks 😵 But the group function is just so practical). There we discuss the camera, firmware, tips&tricks etc. Its not a place to compare it to other cameras. It's mainly for people past that point: facebook.com/groups/668692364396682/
Ok so it runs linux, but are the firmware opensource? If they are, this company will absolutely become the closest leica competitor. Based on what ive seen with magic lantern.
Nice straightforward review as always ! My Leica M8 has just died so giving this strong consideration, the colour science comparison to the M9 was interesting and also love the idea of supporting a company like Pixii.
pretty happy that there's a modern rangefinder these days, even if the pixii was just mediocre (why it by no means is) it would be great so people can show interest in rangefinders again and maybe the big brands release one that's an actual digital rangefinder and we get choices again other than red dot or old school
@@gearreallydoesntmatter nice info… so not knowing exactly what this omission in the cameras mean, from a rangefinder photographers viewpoint… what is the practical lacking feature in the Fuji cameras, given that they employ 3 different viewfinder modes… off, evf and hybrid…?
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I’d be interested in hearing more about your experience shooting 21mm lenses since the framelines only go to 28mm. Are you using an external viewfinder or estimating the composition?
Hi Mattias, sorry for the loss of beloved Gunpowder... This little charm on four legs has been, aside of all things you have shared with, been your best modèle, and the most convincing regarding what ever camera , Lens, could help your eyes rendering and sharing your thoughts about the items you were comenting about. I am sûre Gunpowder will have a neet funeral and a great future in the walhala of dogs. Cheers and thanks again for your comitment in sharing and the very constructive way you do it. Skoll
I'm a big fan of the bottom plate of the older Leica M digitals and not a fan of the new M11 battery and bottom, but the Pixii did it jusssst right...and I love anyone (sigma sd quattro for instance) that uses a super easy to find and cheaper battery.
Thanks for this! I love your description of the community “ride” experience. It sounds fun and inspiring. Side question: What is the USB-C/Lightning drive you’re using? I can’t find one that has such a small form factor. Thanks!
@@beaubolieu Yeah I haven't bought one for my iPhone yet. I just used my work phone, Samsung Galaxy (total piece of crap) for demonstration purposes :)
Thanks for part 2! I have to say, if I had the $3k to spend I would absolutely buy one. Maybe a bit less since I think I could be very happy with the smallest memory config. And I already have plenty of lenses to use on one of these. You showed us the frame lines in Part 1 and I have been wondering about those: are they projected by a mask in the RF system or are they some kind of digital overlay? How well can you see them in different light? How well do they compare to a Voigtlander R2a--well, any modern Voigtlander camera really. Looking forward to Part 3 (and more, I hope!) while I start figuring out where to come up with a few grand for one of these. :) Thank you for showing us this!
Mattias…just when I thought my GAS has been cured-last 📷 purchased was about a year ago. 😅 Now, thanks to you, I’ll have to see my psychologist again. 😬 Well, it’s nice to have a new player in the 📷 business. $3,000 Euro is lotsa 💰, but it’s much cheaper than a Leica(new & used). The Voighlander 40mm lens is a great lens. Great review & images per usual, Mattias. ✌🏼& 📸…& 💸💸💸
Another great video. Your content is so informative and clearly done with generous enthusiasm rather than just chasing clicks and ad revenue. It's a great resource and we appreciate it.
My biggest problem with the camera is the APSC sensor and M-mount. M mount lenses are expensive (I am Leica M owner btw) and it is a waste in such a sensor. They should either put there full frame sensor or work with different mount type to allow APSC lenses which would offer more options. The idea behind this camera is ok, but the things I mentioned are dealbreaker for me. Maybe there will be Pixii 3 one day that will be fullframe
You should always buy full frame glass for APS-C cameras when available. That has always been the recommendation among photographers and still makes the most sense. APS-C lenses are a waste of good glass and money compared to using available M-glass, which is not more expensive than any other mount. The only difference when using M-glass on APS-C is that you crop out the worst part of the lens, so you get a bit better performance. Fullframe would be a nice option and the full frame crop factor can be worked around. BTW, which mount with coupled APS-C lenses are you thinking of? As a n M-owner I would think you knew that there is no such mount.
I hope these sell like hotcakes, because they look so sweet. I also hope Bo Kajiwara, Mattias Harsch, and Fujio Mitarai will start returning my texts or go out for coffee with me to chat about firmware updates, but I am much more confidant about the first one. Also I really appreciate the transparency around wifi / Bluetooth. The major manufacturers took many years to get something barely usable for their camera apps, so honestly having an app that works as well as the Pixii one seems to already at this point, that’s not just baseline-meeting-expectations, that’s awesome.
And also I meant to say, obviously the functionality is only going to get better. Buffer and battery capacity seem like the only notable continuing issues, with easy solutions, shoot slower and carry an extra battery. Thumb drives are cheap, so getting a 128GB capacity on the camera really costs €40 and some patience (not even patience since you could just keep it strapped around your neck while you walk around, right?). On that note, I guess it’s worth asking, are the file transfers pretty quick via USB-C?
When you transfer to your computer with USB-C its quite fast. To the thumb drive is kinda slow. So if we are talking a days worth of shooting it might be best to have a coffey while waiting.
It’s shocking how bad some of the apps still are. (Looking at you, Fuji!) the Pixii looks reasonable for being still early development, and at least there are alternative methods to fall back on.
0:48 Hey, Mattias, where does that small group get together to share tips and tricks? I tried to start a Pixii Discord server but didn't get any traction for it. There's an active Pixii thread on Rangefinder Forum, but it's basically me and a handful of people waiting for their cameras to get delivered, plus a constant chorus of Grumpy Uncles saying, “Harrumph, too expensive, you should buy a third-hand Leica M8 that's been sat on by an elephant instead…”
What lenses do you currently use on this camera? There are a lot of tiny ltm lenses that don't work well with leica due to corners significant color shift. I wonder with apsc will it be better, eg voigt 15mm. I think finding a fast small semi wide will be hard. Where do you go to connect to pixii community, I couldn't find any forum or fb groups
Hi Mattias, any plan to review original fuji X100? I read that camera have bayer sensor nor xtrans, and have some magic colour compared to xtrans sensor
I just wish it had a larger sensor. Not because of image quality or any sort of full frame snob principle, but simply because of the crop factor. Using vintage lenses without a crop is honestly the main reason why I'm considering purchasing a full frame camera, as I'm perfectly happy with the image quality from my Fuji.
same here, this product is super cool, and it being a true rangefinder makes it very tempting by itself compared to the fuji x-pro series, however I really want to be able to use for example a 28mm m-mount lens at 28mm, not at a 40mm equivalent
Hi Mattias, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I have a question, hoping you could help me: does it happen to you that after turning on the camera for several minutes, the camera body already becomes warm? not hot but WARM? this happened to me when I used Fujifilm XT20 and olympus pen f, and as I live in Bangkok, a warm body after only a few minutes turning-on(not even shooting pics) is a big No No. Grateful to hear your answer.
Could you shed some light on the mystery b/w mode? How does it exactly work if it's neither just a picture profile, nor the result of a true monochrome sensor (since the camera still has a Bayer filter)?
I have been explained how it works. It was a little over my head but it isn't just an embedded picture profile, that much I understood. Im sure they will release more information on it in the future.
Hi Mattias, what isn't mentioned enough, IMO, is that the camera is upgradeable not just for software but also for hardware, so just send it back when the next sensor arrives, or improved rangefinder, processor 'etc.' I have no problem with the aps-c sensor and if good glass is used then the sensor will be using the central area of that lens for superb image quality. It would be great if they had an ambassador in some cities, such as London, so that I could actually hold one before deciding to purchase.
If i want to help and build a better app. I am a software engineering student. That learned 3 years of photography in school. This looks amazing. Just amazing. Would love to help with this project
Genius! Would love that a company is making a open source firmware. I bought a d800 only to dismay that it doesnt have sRAW like Canon. I like customization. And smaller raws come in handy. The jpegs already have this feature for a while what is taking some camera manufacturers to implement a simple software change? Here's a few. Maybe even for ver 3.0 -battery grip mostly for SLR users: plane jane 18650 lithium batteries. (with no lcd i believe the battery will last weeks for those traveling) -bigger than crop sensor say 1.3x (im a portrait artist and while 50 being a 75 is great, cropping that much of a 35mm lens reduces bokeh. Not too many lenses between 50 and 85mm. Then 85 mm is practically 135mm. And it really should be a price/performance thing because of vignetting and physics the lens will always be sharp in the center.) -internal protected by a door usb-c and micro SD card slots would be great!
Hi I enjoyed the video very much thank you. How does the image quality compare vs the Leica CL? I see this has a better / more updated sensor. Since Leica hasn't produced a crop sensor range finder since M8, I guess the Pixii is a much superior alternative.
Great review! Thanks. Question about the monochrome mode....does it output monochrome DNGs? Also, in your experience with the camera, how do the files compare with the monochrom Leica you recently reviewed?
Yes, Monochrome DNGs. I can't say really since I haven't used them side by side. They are different though. But if I compare the monochrome mode and a converted color image from the Pixii. The monochrome is a bit brighter using the same settings. If I then push the converted to match it introduces more noise.
All the best to them and the early adopters. Hopefully this will show that it is possible to develop a rangefinder camera in modern market. I'm looking at you Voigtlander/Cosina/Epson.
Is there a way to calibrate the vertical alignment? I just got a 2023 model and the 2nd image is always above the larger image. My photos aren't as sharp as I would like but then it could be that I am a noob.
I like the concept of this camera a lot, however I know I'll not be able to afford it anytime soon. I live in a third world country, with pretty low salaries, so 3k eur sounds bizarre to me
Just the fact that somebody makes a digital m mount rangefinder apart from Leica is awesome. Like I said, it would be superb if they ever release a full frame version....
I'm real close to pulling the trigger on one I think. I was concerned about battery availability after seeing your first video, where it wasn't apparent that it's a fairly standard battery within a carrier, so I was glad to see you mention that specifically in this second video. I'd be looking to primarily use a 35mm Summilux -- any idea how that plays with the rangefinder window location?
Sorry I don't know. There was a guy on a forum that made a chart of sorts where you could read the maximum width in relation to length. I will see if I come across it again.
Here is the chart, ranger9.net/pixiifun/pixii_friendly.pdf Note that even if a lens intrudes a little doesn't mean that it can't focus. Anything bellow half the patch I would still consider using if I like the lens.
Maybe when they come down in price I’ll sell my x-pro2 and get one. Right now it’s way out of my budget, but I love the ability to upload your own profiles directly to the camera. I prefer sooc shooting / sharing so having some tweaks built in is always a plus.
I'm probably never going to be in the market for this camera but I wish it luck (I'd want one but could probably never justify it). I'm wondering how does it do at night with the electronic shutter? Do you get a lot of banding?
I don't know since all my lenses works. The one I use in the video to demonstrate is an adapted Minolta lens, and it dint cover the patch completely. For Part 3 I will find out.
Since the Pixii will be relying on a lot of vintage lenses, does its sensor incorporate microlenses to compensate for the difference between the way film and a sensor handle non-perpendicular light rays? I know Leica does this with the digital M cameras. Thanks for these fascinating reviews!
Why does it rely on vintage lenses (compared to Leica)? Since the Pixii doesn’t have a mechanical shutter and is APS-C it doesn’t suffer the same issues as a Leica would without micro lenses.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I meant that since the Pixii uses M-mount lenses, many of the lenses people will put on it will be vintage M or LTM lenses. Yes, there are newer M-mount lenses, like Voigtlander, but there's a lot of vintage glass out there too. I recall that when Leica introduced the non-full frame M8, they claimed that their microlens array was needed to make film-era lenses work better with a sensor. The reason cited was that film could handle non-perpendicular light rays better than sensors could, so film-era lenses would benefit from the microlens array. Modern digital-era lenses are supposedly optimized for sensors, so the microlens array wasn't needed on new cameras that used new lens designs. That's the reason I asked if the Pixii used a microlens array--to make it perform better with the larger number of film-era lenses people would put on it.
Are there anywhere I can get raw files to download so I can see the quality? I am very interesting in this system but there ain't much info I can find about it...
Well done, great video and spectacular photos! I think this settles it: I'm getting a Pixii! None of the cons seem like they'd disturb my workflow at all. I am curious how this would perform in studio setups with flash sync but other than that I'm sold!
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When the rangefinder mechanism cost about €1000 to manufacture there isnt much room in the price. But if all goes well there might be some used copies in the future.
I ordered a Pixii a few weeks ago. Can't wait to get it in already. I was on the market for a Leica monochrome but this seems to fit that bill even better. I was interested back when it was first announced but the first version was underwhelming. I'm glad they were able to produce this V2.
The Pixii does look quite interesting and I hope you have a lot of fun with it. However, I don't think it will quite "replace" a M10 Monochrom ....I have one and it is amazing, it changed my whole view on photography. With having a large FF sensor without any color array at all in front of it, you get amazing low light capabilities, and the extreme gradations of shades of grey are amazing. I've shot different cameras of different prices and capabilities and so far, there's nothing that can touch a M10M for B&W photography. I'm not putting the pixii down mind you.... But if you really want to get into high fidelity B&W shooting, I'd recommend starting a savings fund after you get this camera and save up for a M10M , or whatever the successor to it is in a year or so....it's truly amazing. I have shots on it that almost seem medium format....strange but true. CC
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the ISO and DR in the M10M and Pixii. The Pixii already beats the M10 and the M9 Monochrom I had. Which BTW is the Leica Monochrom I personally would choose before the M10M or M11M etc. CCD is magic :) But the tests have been Pixii Color vs Leica M10 color. I dont think anyone have tried the Pixii Monochrome DNGs vs any Monochrom Leica so far.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I saw that you had mentioned that and I too would be very interested in seeing those results. I"m curious how the pixii folks are "removing" the bayer color filter out of the mix. I was of the understanding that it was always permanently affixed to the sensor...is the pixii somehow removing it? I wouldn't think just deactivating it would do the trick as that it would still be physically blocking some of the sensor. Not having the bayer filter in front of the M10M at all is part of what allows the increased sensitivity and gradations of luminance in the monochrome. If you find out more info on the monochrome methods and testing of the pixii please do another in depth video on that please!! Thank you! :) CC
No it isn't removed and Im sure they will give more info in the future. But it does have better ISO performance than a converted color. So if it is competing with a Monochrome image that is what should be used. The question is how close would it get :)
Thanks Mattias , most useful , nothing there that has made me regret my decision to buy one . I hope they get the WiFi fixed but it's not a massive issue for me . If anyone thinks prices will drop I think they are dreaming - component prices for everything are going up weekly - a processor board we used to buy for $15 are now ,if you can source any , over $400! The supply chains are broken ,it will take years for them to settle down - if ever. Duracell do a great Sony copy battery for £15 here in the UK so having a few spares is no issue. The Pixii I think is very fairly priced - if it's for you ,if not then the price is irrelevant really anyway.
I suspect most of the critics aren’t comfortable with the price anyway, but still like to complain as if they where potential customers. I hope you get yours soon 🤞
@@gearreallydoesntmatter The -ves were nothing that would bother me. I do use an RD1 with a broken screen - among many other things, so vast improvement really
The company manufactures the camera body without a lens correct? Saving up for this camera, the quality looks gorgeous:) Researching what lens to start with (I come from the Sigma world haha)
Thank you for this interesting video. Have you reviewed the Sony Nex-7 from several years ago? I recently brought mine out of storage and kind of love it -- small with a lot of features including auto focus -- and has nice colors and resolution, so that I think you might like it.
Watching your reviews having seen the latest upgrade. I'm surprised you don't mention the impact of the smaller sensor on your Leica M glass, tuning your favourite 50mm into a 75. Does this not matter to you?? Or have I missed something? Anyway, great content 👍
Thx for your review. What is your impression compare to the other APS-C, Epson R-D1 ? (lens use etc...) I already bought the Epson R-D1 because of your video :). Also, good to see you buy a lot of Cosina Lens. Are your prepare a video about it ? What is your impression about de 3D Pop of the Zeiss ?
regarding lenses there isn't much difference other than the Pixii having a 40mm frame line. The big difference is the experience with the crank handle, gages etc. The Pixii is a more modern approach to a rangefinder. Enjoy the Epson.
Another well done, well thought out review. The reason I follow and watch your work. And as an "owner in waiting" you are preaching to the choir here. I agree with all you have said so far and find the photos just great. Thank you for your leadership with this interesting and promising new camera. Isabelle, ou est mon camera? ;o)
Hey, I just got a pixii 2days ago. About wifi transfer when outside : just create a hotspot with your phone and connect the pixii to it, no problem. And yes, the app is still in beta, so a few instabilities here and there, but it's useable.
I haven’t been able to get the hotspot to work. But I haven’t tried more than a minute since I don’t need the Wi-Fi. Will try again :) PS. If you haven’t, checkout the Facebook user group 👍
Since the camera has a 1.5x crop because of the APS-C sensor, are the frame lines set for the focal length before or after the crop? if I was shooting with a 35mm lens, would I use the 35mm frame lines or the 50mm frame lines?
Is there a good chance that Pixii will offer an upgrade to a full frame sensor and wider framelines in the future? I might buy one now, but not if these limitations are permanent.
My tip is to always buy a camera for what it is today. If you are only comfortable with wider than 24mm frame and small picture/FF then don't buy a camera without it.
Seeing this, the success of Sony, Fuji, and the transition of Leica to digital makes me wonder why is not Apple in this segment. They have everything they need to make a good product with huge margins for them. An APPLE "Range finder" with a Sony sensor best in class Apple processor and Zeis lens, Full aluminum construction, with a touch interface like only Apple can do it. Just think about it, the best of Leica at Pixi/fuji prices. The best software integration, user interface, connection and processor speeds with almost Leica build quality and Pixii futurist design.
If I would buy one today I would get the 8GB instead of 32GB. With the ability to back up to a thumb drive I have no need to store 800 raw images in the camera. 200 would be enough.
I only know of two or possibly three M-mounted zoom lenses in existence, so it’s pretty irrelevant. I have never heard of a weather sealed M-mount lens, so also irrelevant :)
Hi Mattias, thank you for the video review. What lenses would you recommend for this camera? I shoot a bit of street, mostly my kids, and some portraiture.
The 28mm lux will most likely intrude a little. How much I don’t know. I have a lens that covers maybe half the patch when focusing closer than 1-1.5m and then it’s still worth using if like it.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter not complaining about the cost, but the cost will cause many to hesitate. And totally understand the cost. Handmade in Europe. It is a beauty.
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I LOVE that this system exists even though I'll not likely be in a position to buy into it. They are re-thinking what a modern camera could be (at least, within one genre) in ways that major manufactures might never do in our lifetimes. Leica COULD also innovate here based on their rangefinder experience and market focus but they're so far out of any hint of "mainstream" as to be irrelevant in this consideration. I wish Pixii success.
Yeah they have really gone their own way. Very impressive results for a startup.
📷 There is also a Pixii Camera User Group on Facebook (I know, FB sucks 😵 But the group function is just so practical). There we discuss the camera, firmware, tips&tricks etc. Its not a place to compare it to other cameras. It's mainly for people past that point: facebook.com/groups/668692364396682/
I was hoping you talked more about the monochrom feature of this camera and what makes it unique from others.
That might be in part 3 or a separate video.
Ok so it runs linux, but are the firmware opensource? If they are, this company will absolutely become the closest leica competitor. Based on what ive seen with magic lantern.
Nice straightforward review as always ! My Leica M8 has just died so giving this strong consideration, the colour science comparison to the M9 was interesting and also love the idea of supporting a company like Pixii.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Looking forward to more Pixii videos!
There probably will ber more. Its like the old Blackmagic days. I really enjoy exploring it.
pretty happy that there's a modern rangefinder these days, even if the pixii was just mediocre (why it by no means is) it would be great so people can show interest in rangefinders again and maybe the big brands release one that's an actual digital rangefinder and we get choices again other than red dot or old school
Ahem, how about the two Fuji cameras, the X-Pro and X100 (V currently)? Those are amazing cameras as well, and rangefinder…
@@mortenthorpe no, none of those are rangefinders. They lack a rangefinder focusing mechanism.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter nice info… so not knowing exactly what this omission in the cameras mean, from a rangefinder photographers viewpoint… what is the practical lacking feature in the Fuji cameras, given that they employ 3 different viewfinder modes… off, evf and hybrid…?
@@mortenthorpe they don’t have a rangefinder focusing mechanism. That is the main point.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter so again… how is fhis relevant or an issue for the photographer, holding the camera, about to take a photo?
Don't forget to watch the first part 📸: ruclips.net/video/hI9lspknmcM/видео.html
Great review and update. What have been your favorite lenses when you use the Pixii?
The Voigtlander 40mm f1.4 has been my favorite. Im a little undecided between the Zeiss 21/2.8 and Voigtlander 21/4 in second place.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I’d be interested in hearing more about your experience shooting 21mm lenses since the framelines only go to 28mm. Are you using an external viewfinder or estimating the composition?
The frames goes to 28mm but the window is 24mm. And 21mm is just outside so I pretty much just compose like normal.
Hi Mattias, sorry for the loss of beloved Gunpowder...
This little charm on four legs has been, aside of all things you have shared with, been your best modèle, and the most convincing regarding what ever camera , Lens, could help your eyes rendering and sharing your thoughts about the items you were comenting about.
I am sûre Gunpowder will have a neet funeral and a great future in the walhala of dogs.
Cheers and thanks again for your comitment in sharing and the very constructive way you do it.
Skoll
I'm a big fan of the bottom plate of the older Leica M digitals and not a fan of the new M11 battery and bottom, but the Pixii did it jusssst right...and I love anyone (sigma sd quattro for instance) that uses a super easy to find and cheaper battery.
Thanks for this! I love your description of the community “ride” experience. It sounds fun and inspiring.
Side question: What is the USB-C/Lightning drive you’re using? I can’t find one that has such a small form factor. Thanks!
Its a Kingston with dual USB. C and regular on the other side. It was the smallest USB-C I could find.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter oh! so you weren’t plugging it into your iPhone in the review but a phone with a proper port on it.
@@beaubolieu Yeah I haven't bought one for my iPhone yet. I just used my work phone, Samsung Galaxy (total piece of crap) for demonstration purposes :)
Thanks for part 2!
I have to say, if I had the $3k to spend I would absolutely buy one. Maybe a bit less since I think I could be very happy with the smallest memory config. And I already have plenty of lenses to use on one of these.
You showed us the frame lines in Part 1 and I have been wondering about those: are they projected by a mask in the RF system or are they some kind of digital overlay? How well can you see them in different light? How well do they compare to a Voigtlander R2a--well, any modern Voigtlander camera really.
Looking forward to Part 3 (and more, I hope!) while I start figuring out where to come up with a few grand for one of these. :)
Thank you for showing us this!
Only guessing here, but I suspect the lines are a mask since they are easier to see than the display in bright light when looking at for example snow.
I like this camera for not trying to replace anything, but create experience its designer thinks to be great.
Unfortunately, I seem to be in the "my GAS was gone and is now BACK" group...
Great content!
Looking forward hearing more about the Pixii. As always, enjoyed the photos of both your babies (GP and the actual "baby" baby).
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Mattias…just when I thought my GAS has been cured-last 📷 purchased was about a year ago. 😅 Now, thanks to you, I’ll have to see my psychologist again. 😬 Well, it’s nice to have a new player in the 📷 business. $3,000 Euro is lotsa 💰, but it’s much cheaper than a Leica(new & used). The Voighlander 40mm lens is a great lens. Great review & images per usual, Mattias. ✌🏼& 📸…& 💸💸💸
Another great video. Your content is so informative and clearly done with generous enthusiasm rather than just chasing clicks and ad revenue. It's a great resource and we appreciate it.
Looks cool! Hope that with future iterations the price can come down. 🤞🙏
My biggest problem with the camera is the APSC sensor and M-mount.
M mount lenses are expensive (I am Leica M owner btw) and it is a waste in such a sensor.
They should either put there full frame sensor or work with different mount type to allow APSC lenses which would offer more options.
The idea behind this camera is ok, but the things I mentioned are dealbreaker for me. Maybe there will be Pixii 3 one day that will be fullframe
You should always buy full frame glass for APS-C cameras when available. That has always been the recommendation among photographers and still makes the most sense. APS-C lenses are a waste of good glass and money compared to using available M-glass, which is not more expensive than any other mount.
The only difference when using M-glass on APS-C is that you crop out the worst part of the lens, so you get a bit better performance.
Fullframe would be a nice option and the full frame crop factor can be worked around.
BTW, which mount with coupled APS-C lenses are you thinking of? As a n M-owner I would think you knew that there is no such mount.
I hope these sell like hotcakes, because they look so sweet. I also hope Bo Kajiwara, Mattias Harsch, and Fujio Mitarai will start returning my texts or go out for coffee with me to chat about firmware updates, but I am much more confidant about the first one.
Also I really appreciate the transparency around wifi / Bluetooth. The major manufacturers took many years to get something barely usable for their camera apps, so honestly having an app that works as well as the Pixii one seems to already at this point, that’s not just baseline-meeting-expectations, that’s awesome.
Agreed. The Ricoh GR3 was without an app for months after release. So I get that it needs a lot of work.
And also I meant to say, obviously the functionality is only going to get better. Buffer and battery capacity seem like the only notable continuing issues, with easy solutions, shoot slower and carry an extra battery. Thumb drives are cheap, so getting a 128GB capacity on the camera really costs €40 and some patience (not even patience since you could just keep it strapped around your neck while you walk around, right?). On that note, I guess it’s worth asking, are the file transfers pretty quick via USB-C?
When you transfer to your computer with USB-C its quite fast. To the thumb drive is kinda slow. So if we are talking a days worth of shooting it might be best to have a coffey while waiting.
It’s shocking how bad some of the apps still are. (Looking at you, Fuji!) the Pixii looks reasonable for being still early development, and at least there are alternative methods to fall back on.
Looks amazing, how do you compare the viewfinder in terms of size and quality with an M9 or M10 for example?
Really great, wish I was in the market for one.
They should team up with voitlander.
In the beginning they asked Cosina/Voigtlander about the rangefinder mechanism, but they had stopped making them. Thats why they make it from scratch.
0:48 Hey, Mattias, where does that small group get together to share tips and tricks? I tried to start a Pixii Discord server but didn't get any traction for it. There's an active Pixii thread on Rangefinder Forum, but it's basically me and a handful of people waiting for their cameras to get delivered, plus a constant chorus of Grumpy Uncles saying, “Harrumph, too expensive, you should buy a third-hand Leica M8 that's been sat on by an elephant instead…”
Right now we are scattered all over the internet. But I started a Facebook group where it would be easier to share info.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter Great idea, but... Facebook, ewww. Not sure I'm ready to jump back into that swamp...
Agreed, I truly hate Facebook. But the private group function is practical and I have to have an account for work.
I really wish I could afford one of these. Great informative video as always mate.
Glad you enjoyed it. If all goes well for them there might be used copies in the future 😀
always remember.... you only need one kidney
@@LoFiAxolotl :)
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I have a feeling that the price wont drop much on these!
“If all goes well” meaning, if they sell tons. Otherwise no, it will be rare and keep its value.
Nice review. I hope these guys have longevity.
What lenses do you currently use on this camera? There are a lot of tiny ltm lenses that don't work well with leica due to corners significant color shift. I wonder with apsc will it be better, eg voigt 15mm. I think finding a fast small semi wide will be hard. Where do you go to connect to pixii community, I couldn't find any forum or fb groups
Hi Mattias, any plan to review original fuji X100? I read that camera have bayer sensor nor xtrans, and have some magic colour compared to xtrans sensor
I just wish it had a larger sensor. Not because of image quality or any sort of full frame snob principle, but simply because of the crop factor. Using vintage lenses without a crop is honestly the main reason why I'm considering purchasing a full frame camera, as I'm perfectly happy with the image quality from my Fuji.
same here, this product is super cool, and it being a true rangefinder makes it very tempting by itself compared to the fuji x-pro series, however I really want to be able to use for example a 28mm m-mount lens at 28mm, not at a 40mm equivalent
Hi Mattias, thank you so much for sharing your experience. I have a question, hoping you could help me: does it happen to you that after turning on the camera for several minutes, the camera body already becomes warm? not hot but WARM? this happened to me when I used Fujifilm XT20 and olympus pen f, and as I live in Bangkok, a warm body after only a few minutes turning-on(not even shooting pics) is a big No No. Grateful to hear your answer.
Could you shed some light on the mystery b/w mode? How does it exactly work if it's neither just a picture profile, nor the result of a true monochrome sensor (since the camera still has a Bayer filter)?
I have been explained how it works. It was a little over my head but it isn't just an embedded picture profile, that much I understood. Im sure they will release more information on it in the future.
Hi Mattias, what isn't mentioned enough, IMO, is that the camera is upgradeable not just for software but also for hardware, so just send it back when the next sensor arrives, or improved rangefinder, processor 'etc.' I have no problem with the aps-c sensor and if good glass is used then the sensor will be using the central area of that lens for superb image quality. It would be great if they had an ambassador in some cities, such as London, so that I could actually hold one before deciding to purchase.
tempting tempting, esp after their upgrade. did you try out the flash? which model of transmitter is working? (Nikon?)
It doesn't have a hotshoe so no transmitter I know of will work. And neither would any flash I know of. Fixed LED is the solution.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter ups, I thought it looks like one. yeah not the end of the world. might get rid of my M8 and RD-1 for this one :)
If i want to help and build a better app. I am a software engineering student. That learned 3 years of photography in school. This looks amazing. Just amazing. Would love to help with this project
Genius! Would love that a company is making a open source firmware. I bought a d800 only to dismay that it doesnt have sRAW like Canon. I like customization. And smaller raws come in handy. The jpegs already have this feature for a while what is taking some camera manufacturers to implement a simple software change?
Here's a few. Maybe even for ver 3.0
-battery grip mostly for SLR users: plane jane 18650 lithium batteries. (with no lcd i believe the battery will last weeks for those traveling)
-bigger than crop sensor say 1.3x (im a portrait artist and while 50 being a 75 is great, cropping that much of a 35mm lens reduces bokeh. Not too many lenses between 50 and 85mm. Then 85 mm is practically 135mm. And it really should be a price/performance thing because of vignetting and physics the lens will always be sharp in the center.)
-internal protected by a door usb-c and micro SD card slots would be great!
Hi I enjoyed the video very much thank you. How does the image quality compare vs the Leica CL? I see this has a better / more updated sensor. Since Leica hasn't produced a crop sensor range finder since M8, I guess the Pixii is a much superior alternative.
Image quality is very nice IMO.
Great review! Thanks. Question about the monochrome mode....does it output monochrome DNGs? Also, in your experience with the camera, how do the files compare with the monochrom Leica you recently reviewed?
Yes, Monochrome DNGs. I can't say really since I haven't used them side by side. They are different though.
But if I compare the monochrome mode and a converted color image from the Pixii. The monochrome is a bit brighter using the same settings. If I then push the converted to match it introduces more noise.
All the best to them and the early adopters. Hopefully this will show that it is possible to develop a rangefinder camera in modern market. I'm looking at you Voigtlander/Cosina/Epson.
Is there a way to calibrate the vertical alignment? I just got a 2023 model and the 2nd image is always above the larger image. My photos aren't as sharp as I would like but then it could be that I am a noob.
I like the concept of this camera a lot, however I know I'll not be able to afford it anytime soon. I live in a third world country, with pretty low salaries, so 3k eur sounds bizarre to me
Very cool caera for me) like this design !
Just the fact that somebody makes a digital m mount rangefinder apart from Leica is awesome. Like I said, it would be superb if they ever release a full frame version....
Would be nice to have a 23mm F2.0 for this Camera.
Prefer 21mm.
I'm real close to pulling the trigger on one I think. I was concerned about battery availability after seeing your first video, where it wasn't apparent that it's a fairly standard battery within a carrier, so I was glad to see you mention that specifically in this second video.
I'd be looking to primarily use a 35mm Summilux -- any idea how that plays with the rangefinder window location?
Sorry I don't know. There was a guy on a forum that made a chart of sorts where you could read the maximum width in relation to length. I will see if I come across it again.
Here is the chart, ranger9.net/pixiifun/pixii_friendly.pdf
Note that even if a lens intrudes a little doesn't mean that it can't focus. Anything bellow half the patch I would still consider using if I like the lens.
did you pick one up? been looking to
the digital hexar af, i love that the size is not too big.
Maybe when they come down in price I’ll sell my x-pro2 and get one. Right now it’s way out of my budget, but I love the ability to upload your own profiles directly to the camera. I prefer sooc shooting / sharing so having some tweaks built in is always a plus.
Price is more likely to go up given how expensive components are getting.
I'm probably never going to be in the market for this camera but I wish it luck (I'd want one but could probably never justify it). I'm wondering how does it do at night with the electronic shutter? Do you get a lot of banding?
No banding so far. It’s been very good at handling different lights. I can provoke it if I want, but in practical use it hasn’t been an issue.
What lenses would you recommend that get close to the classic 35mm focal length?
Nice review! What's the biggest lens diameter that fits without covering partially the rangefinder window?
I don't know since all my lenses works. The one I use in the video to demonstrate is an adapted Minolta lens, and it dint cover the patch completely. For Part 3 I will find out.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter thanks for the answer and looking forward to Part III 😉
Since the Pixii will be relying on a lot of vintage lenses, does its sensor incorporate microlenses to compensate for the difference between the way film and a sensor handle non-perpendicular light rays? I know Leica does this with the digital M cameras. Thanks for these fascinating reviews!
Why does it rely on vintage lenses (compared to Leica)?
Since the Pixii doesn’t have a mechanical shutter and is APS-C it doesn’t suffer the same issues as a Leica would without micro lenses.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. I meant that since the Pixii uses M-mount lenses, many of the lenses people will put on it will be vintage M or LTM lenses. Yes, there are newer M-mount lenses, like Voigtlander, but there's a lot of vintage glass out there too. I recall that when Leica introduced the non-full frame M8, they claimed that their microlens array was needed to make film-era lenses work better with a sensor. The reason cited was that film could handle non-perpendicular light rays better than sensors could, so film-era lenses would benefit from the microlens array. Modern digital-era lenses are supposedly optimized for sensors, so the microlens array wasn't needed on new cameras that used new lens designs. That's the reason I asked if the Pixii used a microlens array--to make it perform better with the larger number of film-era lenses people would put on it.
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Awesome!
Are there anywhere I can get raw files to download so I can see the quality? I am very interesting in this system but there ain't much info I can find about it...
There are files being shared in the Facebook user group.
had auto ISO and quick access to adjust to ISO and EV been introduced in the latest firmware update ?
Quick access to ISO or EV yes. Auto ISO will be later.
Fascinating camera!
The rangefinder covered by big lenses is a deal breaker for me. The apsc sensor is a big negative also.
Well done, great video and spectacular photos! I think this settles it: I'm getting a Pixii! None of the cons seem like they'd disturb my workflow at all. I am curious how this would perform in studio setups with flash sync but other than that I'm sold!
As its electronic shutter only flash is sadly out of the question. LED panels would be the solution.
Where to purchase the typc button？
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I would love one of these but the price😪
When the rangefinder mechanism cost about €1000 to manufacture there isnt much room in the price. But if all goes well there might be some used copies in the future.
Great tool, easy to use, reliable
Has much improved yet??
Lots of improvements and new features added. And more coming. The new processor is sweet.
I ordered a Pixii a few weeks ago. Can't wait to get it in already. I was on the market for a Leica monochrome but this seems to fit that bill even better. I was interested back when it was first announced but the first version was underwhelming. I'm glad they were able to produce this V2.
I hope you get it soon!
The Pixii does look quite interesting and I hope you have a lot of fun with it.
However, I don't think it will quite "replace" a M10 Monochrom ....I have one and it is amazing, it changed my whole view on photography.
With having a large FF sensor without any color array at all in front of it, you get amazing low light capabilities, and the extreme gradations of shades of grey are amazing.
I've shot different cameras of different prices and capabilities and so far, there's nothing that can touch a M10M for B&W photography.
I'm not putting the pixii down mind you....
But if you really want to get into high fidelity B&W shooting, I'd recommend starting a savings fund after you get this camera and save up for a M10M , or whatever the successor to it is in a year or so....it's truly amazing. I have shots on it that almost seem medium format....strange but true.
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It would be interesting to see a comparison of the ISO and DR in the M10M and Pixii. The Pixii already beats the M10 and the M9 Monochrom I had. Which BTW is the Leica Monochrom I personally would choose before the M10M or M11M etc. CCD is magic :)
But the tests have been Pixii Color vs Leica M10 color. I dont think anyone have tried the Pixii Monochrome DNGs vs any Monochrom Leica so far.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter I saw that you had mentioned that and I too would be very interested in seeing those results.
I"m curious how the pixii folks are "removing" the bayer color filter out of the mix. I was of the understanding that it was always permanently affixed to the sensor...is the pixii somehow removing it? I wouldn't think just deactivating it would do the trick as that it would still be physically blocking some of the sensor.
Not having the bayer filter in front of the M10M at all is part of what allows the increased sensitivity and gradations of luminance in the monochrome.
If you find out more info on the monochrome methods and testing of the pixii please do another in depth video on that please!! Thank you!
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No it isn't removed and Im sure they will give more info in the future. But it does have better ISO performance than a converted color. So if it is competing with a Monochrome image that is what should be used. The question is how close would it get :)
Thanks Mattias , most useful , nothing there that has made me regret my decision to buy one . I hope they get the WiFi fixed but it's not a massive issue for me . If anyone thinks prices will drop I think they are dreaming - component prices for everything are going up weekly - a processor board we used to buy for $15 are now ,if you can source any , over $400! The supply chains are broken ,it will take years for them to settle down - if ever.
Duracell do a great Sony copy battery for £15 here in the UK so having a few spares is no issue.
The Pixii I think is very fairly priced - if it's for you ,if not then the price is irrelevant really anyway.
I suspect most of the critics aren’t comfortable with the price anyway, but still like to complain as if they where potential customers. I hope you get yours soon 🤞
@@gearreallydoesntmatter Most probably true and thanks :)
Damn you - G.A.S. setting in....
Even when I go over the negatives, thats bad G.A.S 😬
@@gearreallydoesntmatter The -ves were nothing that would bother me. I do use an RD1 with a broken screen - among many other things, so vast improvement really
The company manufactures the camera body without a lens correct? Saving up for this camera, the quality looks gorgeous:) Researching what lens to start with (I come from the Sigma world haha)
Correct, no lens included.
No camera is perfect, that’s why I have an iPhone 13 Pro, Fujifilm X100v & a GRIIIx.
Thank you for this interesting video. Have you reviewed the Sony Nex-7 from several years ago? I recently brought mine out of storage and kind of love it -- small with a lot of features including auto focus -- and has nice colors and resolution, so that I think you might like it.
When it started the video I thought they were calling me on Skype
I can not afford one :(
Great they managed to make that camera, wish the company lives long! But is there any sort of diopter correction methods?
Exciting!
I’ve never heard of this camera but after seeing the price yikes… Beautiful though.
The rangefinder mechanism alone cost about €1000 to manufacture. So it is what it is 🤷🏼♂️
Watching your reviews having seen the latest upgrade. I'm surprised you don't mention the impact of the smaller sensor on your Leica M glass, tuning your favourite 50mm into a 75. Does this not matter to you?? Or have I missed something? Anyway, great content 👍
I don’t mention the heavy crop factor when reviewing full frame or s16 either. A 50 is still a 50.
Can you even buy a Pixii yet in the US?
They ship to the US.
Thx for your review. What is your impression compare to the other APS-C, Epson R-D1 ? (lens use etc...) I already bought the Epson R-D1 because of your video :). Also, good to see you buy a lot of Cosina Lens. Are your prepare a video about it ? What is your impression about de 3D Pop of the Zeiss ?
regarding lenses there isn't much difference other than the Pixii having a 40mm frame line. The big difference is the experience with the crank handle, gages etc. The Pixii is a more modern approach to a rangefinder. Enjoy the Epson.
Another well done, well thought out review. The reason I follow and watch your work. And as an "owner in waiting" you are preaching to the choir here. I agree with all you have said so far and find the photos just great. Thank you for your leadership with this interesting and promising new camera. Isabelle, ou est mon camera? ;o)
Hey, I just got a pixii 2days ago. About wifi transfer when outside : just create a hotspot with your phone and connect the pixii to it, no problem.
And yes, the app is still in beta, so a few instabilities here and there, but it's useable.
I haven’t been able to get the hotspot to work. But I haven’t tried more than a minute since I don’t need the Wi-Fi. Will try again :)
PS. If you haven’t, checkout the Facebook user group 👍
One of a kind for sure and i would ove to try one, but that price is rough!
Stellar video, as usual, Mattias.
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Since the camera has a 1.5x crop because of the APS-C sensor, are the frame lines set for the focal length before or after the crop? if I was shooting with a 35mm lens, would I use the 35mm frame lines or the 50mm frame lines?
It works like all other rangefinder cameras. If you use a 35mm lens, set the camera to 35mm. Whats in the square is what you get.
Accessories?
Is there a good chance that Pixii will offer an upgrade to a full frame sensor and wider framelines in the future? I might buy one now, but not if these limitations are permanent.
My tip is to always buy a camera for what it is today. If you are only comfortable with wider than 24mm frame and small picture/FF then don't buy a camera without it.
The photos are phenomenal
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Mattias, how do we find the calibration manual? In close focus the patch is above where it should be when in focus. Thanks much Eric
I got it from them when asking about future calibration.
I’ve heard the mono mode is more than a baked in profile a few times, but how exactly? Not heard much on it would love to understand this further
I have had it explained to me, most of it went over my head :)
Im sure they will give more information about it in the future.
The pic of your kid is a keeper for sure 👶
Seeing this, the success of Sony, Fuji, and the transition of Leica to digital makes me wonder why is not Apple in this segment. They have everything they need to make a good product with huge margins for them. An APPLE "Range finder" with a Sony sensor best in class Apple processor and Zeis lens, Full aluminum construction, with a touch interface like only Apple can do it. Just think about it, the best of Leica at Pixi/fuji prices. The best software integration, user interface, connection and processor speeds with almost Leica build quality and Pixii futurist design.
Apple already makes a camera that has outsold all camera companies combined. The iPhone 😀
I wish they have stuck with SD card or CF express, since tying cost with storage is a massive burden for me.
If I would buy one today I would get the 8GB instead of 32GB. With the ability to back up to a thumb drive I have no need to store 800 raw images in the camera. 200 would be enough.
Weather sealed? Can you use zoom lenses with it?
I only know of two or possibly three M-mounted zoom lenses in existence, so it’s pretty irrelevant.
I have never heard of a weather sealed M-mount lens, so also irrelevant :)
@@gearreallydoesntmatter Irrelevent to you but not to me. Thanks for the quick reply however:)
Hi Mattias, thank you for the video review. What lenses would you recommend for this camera? I shoot a bit of street, mostly my kids, and some portraiture.
I mainly go back and forth between a 21mm and a 40mm. The 40 is definitely the one that gets most use right now.
They will become a much better alternative than Leica, for camera body.
For a second attempt they sure are moving in that direction. If not better at least different.
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Pretty good. But the price drop me on chairs.
The rangefinder mechanism alone cost about €1000 to manufacture. So it is what it is 🤷🏼♂️
I love the idea behind the camera and I am interested, sort of. If the price was down a bit I would be all in. Thank you for sharing.
If it becomes popular the price might come down, or used copies will surface. Not much they can do to cut cost at this stage.
Love the concept. Wish it was full frame. The price..... Well it is too much.
The rangefinder mechanism alone cost about €1000 to manufacture. So it is what it is 🤷🏼♂️
@@gearreallydoesntmatter and still 1/3rd the price of a new Leica M11!
Do you happen to know what lenses are too big and cover the second patch? I couldn’t find much online but I’m wondering how the 28 Lux would go?
The 28mm lux will most likely intrude a little. How much I don’t know. I have a lens that covers maybe half the patch when focusing closer than 1-1.5m and then it’s still worth using if like it.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter thanks for the reply and for the review 😀
Looks like a fantastic 😍 little camera. But the price. Note: Gunpowder enjoy that 🌞 sun
Unfortunately when the rangefinder mechanism alone cost about €1000 to manufacture the price will be high. Even if they tried cutting costs.
@@gearreallydoesntmatter not complaining about the cost, but the cost will cause many to hesitate. And totally understand the cost. Handmade in Europe. It is a beauty.
@@HunterDeuling If the next closest competitors offering is tripple the price, I don't think that the price will cause that many to hesitate ^^
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Nice. Does this wrap up the series or will we see parts 3, 4, 5, and so on? :) please!!
There will be at least one more, the actual user review. But I’m enjoying making them so I might do more.