WHY haven't we talked about THIS already!!?!?!? (Insomnia insight
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2023
- In this long overdue class, Coach Daniel explains the common phenomenon we call hyper sleep.
We learn why it happens, why it is often an encouraging sign and how it fades away.
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This is natto - the perfect place to start learning!
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Success stories - if you need hope and inspiration, this is for you.
• Success stories
Insomnia insight - a list of every single episode.
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Talking insomnia - guests with trouble sleeping or experts share their stories / tips.
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Hypnic jerks, hypnic awareness and other common issues.
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Fatal insomnia - for those concerned about ffi and sfi.
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Speed bumps - when you think you had a setback or “relapse.”
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Unrefreshing sleep - when you always feel tired or exhausted.
• Unrefreshing sleep
Momsomnia - if you’re a mom or becoming a mom.
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Heard online - when you’ve worried about claims made about health problems and insomnia.
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This content does not constitute medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment, and should never replace any advice given to you by your physician or other qualified healthcare providers. 
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I had this this afternoon. I was tired felt like indidnt sleep bit was refreshed.
At night i feel time skips .some nights are terrible .hope this nightmare goes away not only for me but for everyone watching you .
I’m glad you found something that resonated and… this is what I hope so much as well 🙂
i think this is very underrated topic that causes big distress to many people, but it's rarely discussed. thank you Daniel!
Thank you Ilia for the encouragement 😊
This applies to me right now! I think hypersleep is lifting slowly but I don’t want to anticipate that I’m going to be fully recovered. I’m just glad I’m on the right path.
I’m so glad as well Desiree, thanks for sharing and you know, often not forecasting helps 🙂
This is totally what I experience. Thank you so much for explaining and giving it a name!
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Spot on. Been struggling with insomnia for 2ish years, gotten better but started CBTI 2 weeks ago, went terrible, found your videos like 2 days after I stopped CBTI and everything finally makes sense. I know I will never struggle like I used to anymore. Been having hyper sleep for a couple months now & finally makes sense to me lol. Thanks Daniel!!
Sooo glad to hear this 😊! It’s always what I hope for, thanks for letting me know 👍🙏!
I remember every dream with the minute details.. also the moment i close eyes I start to see images, places, conversations,i even read words like when i m awake .but when i m awake I forget the words.. I have anxiety and in sleep i m talking to myself how to solve my anxiety.. I just want to sleep and wake up without noticing anything
Hi there, so sorry this has been happening but glad you’re here, learning about hyperarousal can truly change everything
Love your videos!! and I think you are on the cutting edge of helping people recover from insomnia. What you said was so simple and made me smile…hyper sleep IS an improvement and step towards restful sleep when previously being awake more hours then sleeping 👏🏼. I have invested thousands in a sleep program that created more fear in me, around diet, lifestyle and sleep hygiene. It’s unfortunate that some well meaning sleep coaches, programs, CBTi model intensify insomnia for some people. For me, it created more control while decreasing quality of life. I was barely eating any food I used to enjoy and wanted to keep a pretty ridged schedule and feared when I made plans outside of that which would cause hyperarousal. Anyway, thank you for all the free content and education. I find it really helpful. 🙏🏼
So glad you found your way here 😊! Especially after not having found meaningful education and spent so much money. Hopefully one day the first thing people will find is something that makes sense. Thanks so much for taking the time to share and for the encouragement 🙏 Be in touch!
thanks so much for this. i'll take hyper sleep over no sleep!
Anytime Maggie! Thanks for being here
Same
Amen
Just found your channel. I’ve had insomnia for 7 years now and I always said it feels like the gas and breaks are on at the same time. You really get it thank you
So glad you’re here, and I can see you’re already leaning, this really helps 🙂
This is me exactly, thank you so much for bringing attention to it
So so glad this resonated Debs
This is so what I needed to hear this has been happening to me lately
Thanks! Daniel very helpful
Hi Daniel, this EXACTLY explained what was going on this semester, during the semester there were times where I experienced hyper sleep in one day I would experience no energy and then the next I have all of the energy in the world and I would be confused if I slept or not. I knew that this was hyper sleep but I didn’t know if I could trust my judgment if I needed to sleep more which led to struggle, thank you once again Coach Daniel for all of the amazing work that you do and I will iA go to a place where I can sleep and never worry about this again!!😘🤟🏻💞
I basically laid in bed with my eyes closed for 8 hours last night and never went into sleep, it was insane. Tossing and turning all night and it freaked me out. Didn’t sleep a single minute. I’m so worried and tired of this!
Always wondered about this. Experience it from time to time. I do believe it will help knowing, thanks so much!
This information is so helpful to know which eases my mind knowing this vivid dram is also ok and is part of sleep recovery ! Thank you so much for sharing ❤
So glad it made sense. Michelle :-)
I appreciate the way you phrase hyperarousal in this video because I’m doing my masters and I often am kept awake with hyper sleep where I’m dreaming about my work. I was getting extremely frustrated about this but I honestly I’m really happy that I care about something this much
So glad it made sense 🙂 And this is such a great point, we often have this hyper sleep even without insomnia, normalizing things helps so much. Good luck with your work!
Thank you so must, that is exacly what I experience at the night, so helpfull 💕
Helga, anytime! So glad you found this episode and thanks so much for sharing and supporting 🙏
This was so very helpful with all my anxiety surrounding sleep
So glad to hear Andrea 😊!
Often get this. Awake at say 3am, not sure if I get back to sleep at all, yet somehow it’s 7am & I’m sure I haven’t just been laying there awake for 4 hrs. Also I am often not tired at all the next day. This video was so useful, just to know this happens to many people !
Hey there! I'm glad the video helped you feel less alone in experiencing this. Remember, you're not alone, and understanding that can make a big difference! 💪💤
Talking about hyper arousal, i find it very interesting and very true, whenever i feel ok, i tend to feel anxious whenever i go to bed and you guessed it, I can't sleep because of it, but when i feel quite sad and lonely, i sleep really well, cause i didn't have time to feel anxious or think about sleep at the time, now I'm just trying to figure out how to deal with this, sometimes i wish i forgot that i have insomnia loo
Hey Daniel, for me hyper sleep has always been the problem. Its really the only form of insomnia ive had, and it just wears me out so much for the next day. Sometimes I feel better if i don't sleep at all than having hypersleep. I'm not afraid of not sleeping, I'm more afraid of this anxiety full half sleep that feels like a anxious knot while sleeping. This makes it kind of difficult to face... since I'm not aware that I'm so anxious. Thanks!
Hi, and you know this comes up often. We think hyper sleep means something is wrong with us so we actually feel worse compared to not sleeping, the emotions that come from us thinking hyper sleep means something can be quite intense… but when we see it’s just another way we experience hyperarousal… this can help much
Hi Daniel I have read all your books and they have helped me soo much but the last few days I've had the fear come back im hoping it's just speed bumps, mostly my insomnia is hyper sleep I can never say how long ive slept for. Love all your videos
Hi Tracey,
Thanks for reading and you know, this sounds exactly like what we call speed bumps, and they can teach us so much that leads where we want to be 🙂
this is actually what my insomnia has been reduced to now. i got through the worst of it last year thanks to you and your channel, i'm so grateful. now i'm having these hyper sleeps all the time, but even that has mostly gotten better and i've been getting real sleep the past week and a half or so. my sleep goes up and down, but i did find that sort of accepting it and keeping myself in the mindset that "well, at least i'm getting some semblance of sleep so it isn't the worst" helped me a lot. i'm continuing to heal everyday! i think this video as well relieved me even more psychologically, thanks!
Hi hope you don't mind me asking do you find hyper sleep gives you headaches, i have it alot and then headaches just wondering if other people have the same experience
@@traceyvance8032 i have hyper sleep, if i sleep not at my home or if somebody sleeps beside me/or in same room. After two days of such sleep i will get headache and i feel extremely bad. Sometimes i get headache, if i slept several days lower than five hours. Then very bad headache will come for sure. 👍
@@coco-cabanak.7160 Thank you for replying, i think headache when we wake up is very common with insomnia our brains are craving the rest x
So glad J TK that things are getting easier and that this resonated 😊 thanks for sharing 🙏
Hey everyone, i have been going through the same thing. I have recovered somewhat and sleep when i feel tired and want to. I have some deep sleep i think ? Cause time moves forward and i have no memory what happened. But then when i go to sleep again, i have these insane REM sleep bouts where i dream like crazy. And since the past few days it has been happening and i wake up with a headache and just feel overall tired. I hope it will get better soon, cause it is definitely annoying.. but im accepting it as a part of recovery
i hade this this night
Hey Daniel, this video perfectly describes what I’ve been going through the past three months. I didn’t have “normal” insomnia initially but I became so obsessive over this bad sleep that it’s perpetuated through constant hyperarousal and anxiety surrounding my sleep. So far I haven’t made any progress unfortunately (no deep sleep in 3 months). Is there anyone in your school that has dealt with this specific issue or any success stories? I have felt super alone as it’s such a niche problem but feels just as debilitating as normal insomnia.
Hey there! I'm sorry to hear you've been struggling with insomnia. You're not alone. Just a quick heads-up: we're hosting live Q&A sessions most weeks and we'd love for you to join us! It's a great chance to ask questions, share insights, and connect with others in the community. Stay strong, and keep seeking support. Wishing you better sleep ahead!
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Looking forward to your next book! But why will it be your last?
Thanks! It may be my last only on insomnia, I feel like there may not be much more to say. After this, I’m planning one that covers all inner struggles!
@The Sleep Coach School great! Going through some of them myself 😄.. Thank you for all your help.
I think, i have some hyper sleep, if someone is in same room/or i sleep somewhere else. From my experience this sort of hyper aurosal sleep (which i had very many years) is not very healthy and comparable with normal, deep sleep. For example: 5 nights of hyperaurosal sleep mixed with weakfulness causes some changes in my personality. i am highly depressed and i can't explain it, but i just can say: i am not normal in this state of lack of sleep. it feels like getting insane. You are the first person who speaks about this sort of sleep!! in this state of sleep it is really so: you are directly awake, if you hear something.
Yes it definitely sounds like it, and I’m glad you found this teaching 🙂
Thanks, it’s really helpful, but I have a question I am experiencing this and hyper awareness from maybe two years, I watched the recent most videos of you, and I follow your instructions, and it was really good and helpful, but sometimes the suffering comes back, is it usual to comes back again.
Note: I am not a native English speaker so sorry if I don’t clarify my comment clear.
So glad it was helpful 🙂! And you know, often when we follow instructions and then think the instructions worked, we can miss to see that the instruction was to do nothing, and that nothing leads to peace. Then we think we have to do something and it comes back.
It’s a bit confusing but if you story the speed bump playlist, link in the description of any new video, you’ll learn more 👍
Hi Daniel, I have a question about what you think about the connection between hyperarousal, hypersleep, and Restless Leg Syndrome. I've been working your programs(Immunity and Bedtyme) for 4 months now and really thought the end was finally in sight with normal sleep starting to become more normal. Than a couple of weeks ago I have started to experience Restless leg syndrome which is now keeping me hyperaroused and hypersleeping again. It's almost like my brain in a last ditch effort to keep me awake has thrown the restless leg syndrome at me. You touched on Restless Leg in a previous video and it's commonality to other Insomnia causing issues. Now I am flummoxed again with a whole new seeming challenge to steer through. I know NATTO is the answer but trying to keep calm and non-attached during the night is problem when your legs made it VERY hard to even stay still and peaceful at all. I'm sure there must be others that have faced this interesting type twist in getting past Insomnia. Thanks
Hi Viva,
I’m so glad things have been getting easier, and you know, exactly this type of curve ball is very common. I have much to share, are you in the green team? Just DM me in Slack and we will find the best way to share teachings on this!!
Most of my insomnia recently (so far, only this week and last weekend) has been caused by anxiety. A mix of anxiety and Restless Leg Syndrome (which I managed to half-sort with some cream)
Anxiety is a HUGE cause of insomnia.
Sorry this has happened but glad you found us so soon. And yes, toootally agree!!
@@thesleepcoachschool8192 I managed to fight off my insomnia actually, but just refusing to be anxious about it. I was like "If I don't sleep, it's not the end of the world. Insomnia isn't going to kill me".
I also focussed on what I was going to do the following day. I ended up planning a cooked breakfast for my wife and I - planning this readjusted my brains thought patterns & I fell asleep. This, coupled with a refusal to bow to anxiety has meant I've slept fine the rest of the week.
I cannot, cannot, absolutely cannot stress enough how much of a trigger mental health & anxiety over sleep is.
So so glad things are easier 😊! And yes, I think insomnia IS one way we experience being anxious. Thanks for the update and for being in touch!
I definitely have experienced this quite a bit.. Sometimes it is very hard for me to control my anxiety when I can’t sleep. Do you have any advice for someone for when I’m anxious or just can’t sleep, I never feel like doing anything else. I know it’s important to do something I actually enjoy like read a book, podcast, tv, etc, but it’s hard for me to do this because i feel eventually I’ll fall asleep for a little and don’t want to screw that chance up? I’ve been dealing with this for so so long, this sleep anxiety for about 3 years. I’ve read set it and forget it, and do have a sleep coach since last September who has a similar approach to you. I just feel like I’ll never fully get over this.
I can never really sleep in even if I don’t sleep much, my body almost doesn’t allow me, which makes me miss out on a lot.
I would love some more guidance and courage from you as it would help me out so so much.
Thank you for helping us all.
Hi Brittany,
I think what really helps is to see that none of us humans can control our emotions, we cannot manage our anxiety, for example. It is rather when we try to control anxiety that we struggle with it.
And the same applies to sleep. None of us can control it but when we try, we become anxious.
Also, it is really helpful to know that peaceful sleep and peace of mind has no requirements. We can think that is important that we do something we enjoy, but it isn’t at all. When we teach that we can do something we enjoy, it is just a little limitation to try less. But it is not important at all. Nothing is important, because what we want requires nothing.
@@thesleepcoachschool8192 thank you for always getting back to me. Last night I went to a friends dinner. I didn’t drink alcohol but got home late. I got into bed 2 hours later than usual and I couldn’t fall asleep for another 3 hours. I didn’t have anxiety at first but once it was taking me so long I admit I developed anxiety. I developed anger like, I didn’t drink alcohol and still I cannot sleep, I woke up at 5:30 like usual because my body is so used to it. I never can sleep in. I’m so disappointed in my body. It’s my birthday Friday and I don’t even want to do anything for it. My music also gets bad when I get the anxiety in bed. From your experience, the people with the music, do they have to take medication or how do we quiet it down? I just feel so lost but I know from your book you said not to make it a bad day. Any advice would help me so much :(
Anytime Brittany, and you know I would say the musicians that we’ve worked with did well, I don’t remember if they took medication or not, and I think that doesn’t matter… it’s when we are hard on ourselves for what we do or don’t do that there can be some struggle… hang in there
@@brittanymordovin3975 I'm pretty sure you mean music plays over and over in your head at night (a segment or a song OVER AND OVER AND OVER)? Not that you're a musician, correct?
Can you talk about non 24 sleep disorder and alpha intrusion?
Yes! I’ll add this to the list
What happens when hyperarousal/hyper sleep happens automatically every single night? No matter what kind of day I had or if I feel anxious or not? And what if this concept is so terrifying that it perpetuates the hyper arousal? Befriending wakefulness does not work for me because I don’t genuinely feel safe not being able to sleep. I’m so exhausted and therefore cannot “accept” not being able to get real sleep. I’m stuck in this cycle, what else can I do besides telling myself I’m “okay” when I’m really not ok? Hyper sleep and having your brain awake all day every day for months in end is terrifying.
Hi Audrina,
This can be tricky to see and believe, but if we think about insomnia, how does it happen? Is it deliberate? No, it happens automatically when we aren’t understanding and we start struggling.
And it’s the same with leaving the struggle… it’s also something automatic, it happens by itself when we learn and do some near work…
The difficulty is to allow this automatic reversal without trying to intervene… but it happens to so many here, hang in there and let us know how things go
Hey audrina hope you're doing better. I'm kind of dealing with the same thing. How is it going now?
@@mrfernandog123 still dealing with it and have been for years unfortunately. Nothing I do seems to make it go away! Sorry to hear you experience it as well
Same thing here.i have it for 2 years and no matter how much I think about it nothing works.i can't feel sleepy no matter what.waking every now and then always from a dream and I can't feel refreshed.dont now how to cope with it.
@@christospanourgias8569hang in their friend you aren't alone ever!
@thesleepcoachschool this happened to me last night. When I can’t get back to sleep in my normal position and become frustrated, I’ll many times just “rest” in another position because if I “rest” in my normal position and sleep doesn’t come it leads to frustration. This happened last night, when I turned to my back to just “rest” because I wasn’t able to get back to sleep after waking up in the night. I was thinking this hyper sleep was because of sleep efforts. Many times I think resting becomes an effort for me, because I can’t seem to do it in my normal position so I will have to go to the couch or my back. Sometimes I can drift off in hyper sleep in these different positions but many times not. Do you have any thoughts on this?
Hi Lisa,
I think there’s some really helpful awareness here. Sleep efforts are like secrets. Once they are revealed that they no longer exist. When we understand that what we’re doing is intended to make ourselves to sleep, the effort automatically fades so this is really helpful.
Hello from Greece !! ❤ i want ask something.
2 days i sleep quiet well with many dreams but the third day im hypersleeping.its been a month that i recovery from panic attacks and i learnd from them but i have the fear of sleep but im learning now. It means something that 2 days i sleep well but the third im hypersleeping??? Or it is just the fear? The paradoxal is some days that i dont feel that i will sleep good im sleeping good and the days that im happy and good because i slept well 2 nights im hypersleeping 😢
Hi Cat! And welcome 😊
So glad you’ve learned from these experiences and you know, I do think the short answer is that it’s just fear when this happens to us. This said it can help to learn about this common experience of patterns.
It is very very common to have a pattern of sleeping a lot one night and then nothing or very little the following.
But other patterns are very common too like sleeping well for three nights and then not at all for two or sleeping very little for three nights and then good for one.
There are all kinds of patterns that happen particularly when you’re starting to understand sleep and you’re starting a program like this one..
Here is the thing, there’s absolutely no mystery when it comes to why these patterns happen!
Sleep is simple. If we are sleepy and we are not worried about sleep or something else, we will sleep. If we are not sleepy and/or we are worried we sleep less or not at all.
The night in the pattern where you sleep more, that happens because you were resisting being awake less, you were more okay with not sleeping. The night in the pattern where you sleep a little, that happened because you were resisting more, you wanted to sleep more/you were less willing to be awake.
Weirdly, sleeping more can make you more pressured to sleep and then you sleep a little. And sleeping a little can make you feel less pressure to sleep and make you sleep more. This is one reason why these patterns are so common!
There’s absolutely no clue or insight to be gained from these patterns except for the above!
The pattern is no sign that something weird or unusual is going on!
So what to do?
Know that a big reason you find a pattern is that you’re looking for one! You’re paying attention to your sleep (which of course is expected, don’t be hard on yourself for this, the brain is often in problem solving mode when you’ve had trouble sleeping!) and this leads to finding patterns. When you’re not paying as much attention to sleep, you no longer will be aware of patterns.
Also, recognize that when you sleep well it is because you are more OK with being awake at night. And when you continue going in that direction, when you become Ok with both a night of little sleep and one of much sleep, when you become unattached - the pattern will go away and you’ll sleep without struggles.
@@thesleepcoachschool8192 I understood!! Thank u very much !!❤️ the funny of my story is that when I was having panick attacks i woke up in the middle of the night but I didn't care about my sleep and I was sleeping again however I was feeling.And when I start to understand panick attacks with psychological help it was a night that I was very happy that i was well and j didn't sleep all night.And after that night i catastrophising this and I begin to think all day about sleep !! Hahah
And also I understand that if I sleep well one night the other i am afraid that it won't last and I don't sleep deep,but im OK just to close my eyes and rest I like that more than to be awake and do things at night,many nights that I just close my eyes to rest sleep has come
Anytime! And you know, you’re learning so much here that will help!
This is the way 🙂
1. Last night i was watching a movie on hbo max. Suddenly my wife came from the other room to tell me: stop SNORING! ( i sometimes snore when i am asleep)
I was like what snoring? I'm watching jack nicholson. Today i barely remember the movie...weird
2. A week ago she started poking me because my snoring was waking her up....i think...The sensation was odd because it felt like this happend for hours. Yet there she was in front of me in the morning, rested. And so was i... weird
Yes I think you’re experiencing what we talk about here, time traveling - where we are sure we didn’t sleep but time just skips ahead… and the fragmentation as well that happens when we become aware of more awakenings then we would otherwise. It can be quite bizarre, but it helps to know it’s nothing strange or unusual 🙂
Why is it that these vivid dreams are happening on hyper sleep ?
Hi! Do you know if you take a random person that is sleeping and wake them up frequently by let’s say, just poking them and ask them if they remember their dreams, they will remember a lot of dreams just at that time and also after the fact. So sleep fragmentation in itself. Makes us have a lot of dreams and experience having a lot of dreams.
Insomnia has destroyed my life !
It will get better bro lol, I promise
@@rayreeves4681 I've had insomnia for 20 years and it's getting worse
I've taken 10 Ambien at once and still haven't slept
Hang in there RW, it does show that nothing but ourselves can make sleep happen.. I know it can sound unbelievable but when we try to sleep taking medication, it’s an effort, and effort can keep us awake… but when we no longer try, it happens by itself
Yes!! This totally happens to me a lot!
Does hypersleep still benefit the body?
Hi Christy,
I believe any sleep is just as helpful, and the body makes sure we sleep 🙂
Is this different from paradoxical insomnia?
Yes it's different. With paradoxical insomnia you literally think you are not sleeping at all, but you are very much sleeping but because you have so much hyperarousal it just feels like you aren't sleeping because you are constantly aware of your surroundings. I had paradoxical insomnia after coming of sleeping pills and I didn't think I was sleeping night after night and this went on for months with me. But things are slowly improving as I don't have paradoxical insomnia much now instead I'm having hypersleep and very aware that that im actually sleeping now. It may not be good quality sleep I'm having but the way I see it my hyperarousal is slowly down and that's part of my recovery. Daniel has a couple of videos on paradoxical insomnia.
I think this "hyper sleep" phenomenon is already well known as hypnagogia.
Hi Pacjent,
This is a nice point, it has a lot to do with just an expanded sense of that transitional state. Thanks for sharing 🙂
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