One of the painful NBA experiences I’ve had this year is watching Hornets possessions where the only people to touch the ball are Terry Rozier and Kelly Oubre.
@@KingofNewark he’s not the player he was even two years ago but they look much better when he’s healthy (played 41 games this season) and he had a great game last night against the Knicks
Dillon Brooks is an absolute phenomenon. Not only he has insufferable personality, he also manages to be one of the worst starters in the league. I can't remember when was the last time he shot more than 40% from the field
Facts bro. Every time i watch a Grizzlies game boxscore, Brooks always go 4-15, 6-17, shooting or something like that lol He prides himself for his defense but it cant make it up for his bricktime lmao
last night when my lakers played the grizz, i smiled every time he shot the ball because I knew it was not gonna go in lol he ended up going 5/17 from the field (and he actually took the most shots on the team)
Damon Stoudemire is the best example I can think of. When he was with the cellar-dwelling Raptors, he was putting up HoF numbers. as soon as he moved to Portland, a title contending team, his numbers dropped instantly.
@@thepiratepenguin_ When Wilt dropped his scoring, his FG% and assists went way up, and his defense improved. that's usually what happens when a star player doesn't have to carry the offense. didn't see that with Damon.
@@srgetem The point is obvious. Points are worth less because of inflation. If a team scores 171 points, a two-pointer is only 0.01% of the total score. It's simple math.
Still waiting and waiting in the wings for that 2012 Mavs video and the truth about whether it was their intention to split half of the core group from their title team in pursue of a big name free agent.
Maybe a controversial take, but Wizards-era MJ was a prime example of this. He was putting up 20 ppg on 45-25-80 splits but still shot 20 times a game and played 35 minutes despite only having a .3 +/-
MJs Wizards years was about bringing all the old BBall fans back to the game so they could see Lebron, and hopefully he carries the torch. Jordan did this because he wanted a majority ownership stake in a franchise. The league agreed he could be an owner if he helps the league out. Yea Jordan wanted to win, but that was secondary. Jordan gives Lebron his popularity, cause Lebron still needed to be put over even after a 4 years major publicity campaign.
I was thinking the same ishh about brooks, Watching him on offense is like he isn’t even trying to score with intent more like he’s throwing up a shot with the hope it goes in, He doesnt even aim sometimes he just shoots long threes out of nowhere, i remember ja’s second year, brooks was much better at being focused on scoring, but now he just shoots a shot just for an attempt on the score sheet smh
ofc jalen greens gonna have a high usage rate, hes a ball dominant guard on a young team with no expectations, culture, or system. nikola jokic does not have that high of usage rate compared to most nba stars. people like paolo banchero, kyle kuzma, and jordan poole also have higher usage rates than jokic 😂
@@davidtogi5878 jokic brings the ball up all the time what are you talking ab, it has nothing to do with his point guard. he just doesn’t hold the ball and is constantly moving it. hes also throws like the most passes in the league thats why his usage is so low, embiid and giannis are both basically centers and have crazy high usage
@@davidtogi5878That’s not what usage rate means. It’s a measurement of what percentage of team possessions end with that player, whether it be a shot attempt, a foul or a turnover. The reason Jokic has such a low usage rate is because he’s really efficient with his shots and he doesn’t commit a lot of turnovers.
Thank you for calling out Dillon Brooks! I think it's no coincidence he hasnt gotten an extension yet. The Grizzlies have 3 young guys for his spot but they are not ready yet (LaRavia, Roddy, Williams) and I wonder if they are going to try to sign a free agent SF or try to make a deal with Toronto or Brooklyn this summer.
Williams is going to be good when he's 25.I think Williams did very well with what time he had in last year's playoffs. I haven't seen enough of LaRavia and Roddy yet. Having all three come off the bench and compete for minutes will only help them in the long run.
I loved Bobby Portis in the JJ Reddick Podcast saying people kept saying that Bobby had nothing but empty stats. So he forced his agent to get him Giannis phone number to put some respect on his name! Love Bobby!!!
Dillon has the audacity to criticize Draymond's game when he hasn't even done anything worth remembering. Green's a 4x all star and a DPOY and also a leader of a generational team that included Curry, Klay, Durant, Iggy etc. You think Cousins or KD would listen to Dillon? It takes a whole lot of respect for a superstar to listen to you. Dillon hasn't even lead Memphis to anything..
@@shermanngjazz Brooks can play defense. If you call injuring the opponents or hitting them in the nards yes he is a Defensive player of the year calibre
@@nithilanamudhan6260 BROOKS IS REASON WHY MEMPHIS ARE SO GOOD. BUT BLIND LIKE U ONLY THINK BASKETBALL IS JUST ABOUT SCORING. THATS WHBY JORDAN LOST VS SHAQ BECAUSE DIDNT HAD RODMAN WHO AVERAGE 4 PPG TO SAVE HIM.
I feel like it’s inefficient scoring, not making teammates better and then giving up more points on the defensive end than you create on offense. The mix of those 3 creates an “empty stats” player. If you follow this checklist you can find players on bad teams that aren’t actually empty stats, just their team is awful. You’d have to do some film study though to figure this out about a player
In my opinion it’s a product of being the best scorer on a team that didn’t really have anyone else who could score well, and these players aren’t ones who you’d build a team around because they don’t score efficiently, and teams where they were the best player didn’t win much. Some of them could be decent in a reduced role perhaps, but they aren’t number one options on successful teams in the league. A textbook example that’s perhaps even more inefficient than anyone you’ll see in this comment section would be Jamal Mashburn in 1996. He averaged 23.4 points per game on 37.9% shooting from the field for a 26 win Mavericks team. The team was good offensively, but horrid defensively, so he may not have been good in that regard in addition to inefficient scoring. That 37.9% is worse than every season of Allen Iverson’s career, almost all of Jerry Stackhouse’s prime, and both of MJ’s Wizards years and only two players who scored as much shot as inefficiently, and both were in the 50’s and 60’s (Joe Fulks and Dolph Schayes). So that might be the emptiest stats ever.
I always classified empty stats as "stats that don't translate to the win column". Usually points scored on poor efficiency. So I do agree with the idea that Booker's stats WERE empty, because the Suns didn't win anything and Booker is a notorious shot-chucker. His numbers still do overrate him to an extent. Edit: Quick addendum for all the Booker stans- yes, I know his efficiency has gotten better over the years. Early Booker was still a chucker. His numbers are still overrated because his usage rate is beyond cracked.
Devin Booker has been efficient his ts% was always above league average. Fg% has nothing to do with efficiency. Booker's problem in the past was his Playmaking and his defense.
Good example is Bones Hyland. Nuggets did a little addition by subtraction dumping him at the deadline. He'll go into heroball mode in the second quarter with the 2x MVP on the floor. Clearly not a team player on a slick, high-functioning team.
Kelly hasn't been relevant since leaving Washington. Thanks a lot Ernie Grunfeld but at least you're no longer part of the FO anymore. It's still too early for Jalen Green but hopefully he can figure things out. Dillon Brooks has been one of the most polarizing figure in the NBA today and yes even more so than Kyrie today.
I know that Terry Rozier is an honorable mention, but when LaMelo is healthy he pairs with him well, and from 2018 playoffs he also proved how when his team isn’t shit he can be the primary ball handler of the team and have success. His ability to switch on and off ball is still pretty valuable.
@@zacflemo1994 wish people would just look at the team and see they have a mess. Idk who tf is drafting dudes and they can’t keep any talent. Terry seems to be doing okay under these circumstances
I’m a hornets fan and I can confidently say that Kelly Oubre is the biggest black hole in the nba. When he has the ball, it’s going up 95% of the time. He gets to the line a bunch, but really stops the movement and flow of a team
I think it’s time to make a new term for “empty stats”. There needs to be a better way to describe a player that gets good numbers but it hurts the team rather than help
@@alfasiger4178 this is just ignorant and disrespectful. Westbrook has had an excellent career outside of the last two years, and though he’s got some terrible flaws, he over the course of his career has still been a positive to his teams
@@JoeBro915 Westbrook has been positive in the regular season, not in playoffs. I'm so annoyed how he plays in the playoffs back in his prime. His stats are amazing but yeah, he cant be a real #1 option
8:26 - Gotta love Jokic, this clown just cost him 2 racks so he goes up to him to calmly explain that he doesn't appreciate the bs. True MVP, the type of things that makes your teammates work harder for you.
The weird thing about Dillon Brooks is he has some of the best “On/Off” numbers of any role player starter in the NBA. And this isn’t just his on/off with the rest of the starting lineup, his numbers are still extremely impressive when Ja, JJJ and Steven Adams aren’t on the court. I can’t figure out why, but when Dillon Brooks is on the court Memphis is winning in those minutes.
It's because he's an outstanding plus defender. First in the league for all perimeter players for shooting pct as nearest defender out of 94 players who have defended at least 650 shots this year. Don't know why he isn't in the conversation for All Defense Team this year.
I'm a Wiz fan (yeah, I'm depressed) and before the video even started I thought of Kelly Oubre. Man.... I remember every single year being like "okay he is gonna turn it on this year" and it just never happened.
Good take! I'm hoping to see for opposite of this video, players who put up the most meaningful stats. Well, maybe the exception of MVP candidates. Those underrated players.
You’d probably end up with very useful role players who are in a reduced role, and whose raw stats don’t accurately reflect the value they can provide to teams.
Westbrick better be in there because he havent be a winner in playoffs after kd left and his triple double-winning havent been working in playoffs for the longest time.
TS% and DBPM seem to be the two stats that reveal if someone is 'empty stats' or not. If the former is in the low 50s and the latter is in the negatives, you got an empty stat king on your hands. trade him before the rest of the league figures it out.
i remember when oubre went to the suns and he was dropping like 18ppg but we still kept losing despite adding a good 2 way player, didnt make sense at all and the suns only started to win consistently when in the bubble they played without him, love the energy he brings but unfortunately he isn't as good as his stats appear to be
the suns were bad with oubre because we had a cheap owner and bad coaching. in bookers first 5 seasons he had 4 different head coaches. the suns started winning when james jones and monty williams got hired and changed the culture
I think there are 3 different things that can qualify you as having empty stats 1. Playing on a terrible team and having great numbers year after year but your team never gets out of the bottom. No matter how bad your team is, after a few years you should be able to help your team improve even a little unless your numbers are just about yourself and don't actually help the team. Examples of this are Booker his first 5 years and Jerami Grant when he went to Detroit. 2. Being a player on a loaded team and only getting numbers because all of the attention is going to your teammates. 3. Being a player with extremely high usage but terrible efficiency as well as usually relying on free throws
Feels like you can't win with your definitions. If you're in a bad team it's empty stats because you don't get wins,and if you're in a good team its empty stats because the defence isn't putting attention on you
@@OK-yy6qz It's empty stats only if you're on a bad team and don't help them improve, even a little, after a few years. And it's not empty stats when you're on a good team if you still find a way to get production even when your top teammates aren't on the floor with you eating up all the attention.
@@ranchosdelnorte then Booker is a bad example because in his first 5 years the Suns would be a 10 win team without him instead of a 30-35 win one. As for the second one you're describing a system player, someone like Klay Thompson that's not empty stats some players just work better within a system
The whole empty stats narrative is stupid. Should players stop trying on offense is you have a lead in the fourth quarter? Should they stop playing if they're down by double digits in the last minutes of the game? It's such a dumb take
exactly basketball fans are so weird basically if you’re not on a contender or haven’t won a championship they don’t appreciate or enjoy a single thing a player does
Empty Stats in basketball = Low Impact basketball player. Meaning the player's PTS, REBS, ASTS grossly overstate how good a player is to winning margins.
I wouldn't consider rookies or sophomores to put up "empty stats". If the player (and/or the team) is in the development phase they are supposed to test stuff and if it leads to becoming a better player I wouldn't say the stats are "empty". For me empty stats is when a player has been in the league for several years and is clearly not developing anymore and they are more hurting their team by taking all the shots. Westbrook, Oubre, Nick Young, Josh Smith... Either you play winning basketball or you try to develop and grow the team. If you score 25 but you take all the shots away from your teammates - that's empty stats. "Empty stats" is when it looks good on paper, but you're actually hurting your team.
people be hating, but to put up 30 ppg with the most talented players in the world is impressie. Like id rather put up 30 ppg and be losing than a benchwarmer.
Thanks for your comment Sherlock. But that’s not the point he’s making. The point he’s making is that their high scoring numbers don’t contribute to winning basketball. For example would you rather be Bradley Beal when he averages 33 ppg or Stephen curry who averaged 28 ppg but won the championship
@@omarthescriblomale8279 yeah but if you win you get more its that simple. I mean like I dont think Beal will ever have his own shoe lol. Zion got his shoe even in his first year just for being famous. Playing for big market teams and actually winning matters to sponsors so you can really choose. Too bad Beal didnt choose to lower his price and go to contenders. Now he has to rot and be forgotten in Washington lol
“They said Devin Bookers 25ppg were empty stats because the team was bad” Proceeds to say the exact same thing people said about Booker just with other players😂
But Booker was efficient in those "empty stat" years. It isn't the same thing when one statement is supported by the numbers and the other is an empty narrative.
@@fortynights1513 I understand that. They have had to step up and fill the void for teams missing their scorers but they doesn’t mean their stats are empty.
@@bdavis6115 If you are inefficient, and the team isn’t winning much, then there’s a better argument for your stats being empty. Is Booker inefficient in your opinion?
Jalen Green stats reminded me of Jordan Poole JG: 21-3-3 on 41% FG and 33% 3PT (7.5 3pt attempt/game) (48.5% eFG and 54% TS) JP: 21-3-4 on 42% FG and 32% 3PT (8.0 3pt attempt/game) (50% eFG and 56% TS) What saved Jordan Poole is only his free throws, raising his True Shooting by a good amount. But instead of attacking the paint, he was spamming a lot of 3s and only made 13/52 (25%) from the last 6 games. The difference between those 2, JG had a bad team, JP had a championship team with Steph taking all the attention.
Not that it matters but I think Jordan Poole is very overrated what does he do or did that Jordan Clarkson for example hasnt been doing for a decade,,,put JC on the warriors and I think he can play that role even better, but that’s just my opinion
I watched brooks in the playoffs last year against the warriors and dude made me lose so many brain cells like dude why do you keep shooting and you cant shoot. If this dude don't improve his shot the grizzlies wont go anywhere. So it maybe time for memphis to trade him. And thank you brooks for shooting your team out the lakers game last night 😂 also im just getting pistons josh smith comparisons for him
I feel that Jalen Green, and the whole Rockets roster for that matter, would really benefit from a veteran leader. I know that they’ve had older guys around but if they found someone that the younger guys respected maybe they’d be more receptive. They need to be taught how to play NBA basketball or they’ll never develop. In my eyes, this season is proof of that.
As a hornets fan, the only thing more infuriating than the injuries is how much potential Kelly flashes. Feels like a diet version of Andrew Wiggans or javale Magee. All the talent in the world, with the basketball iq of a rec center casual
During Russ's triple double years when he would do things on purpose like shoot/rebound real quick. That and more of the same from him were all empty, empty
I personally like Dillon Brooks. He brings back that toughness the league is missing from the 90s. Where you really compete and stop being friends with oponents.
@@andreasbatten7634 yeah well even with two all stars he can't get his team into the playoffs makes him an empty stats guy and i hope him and the rest of the bums on that team are shipped during the draft.
They were right in the playoffs this season. If it weren’t for Zach getting injured maybe they make the playoffs. Also they made the playoffs the year before so this disproves your theory.
@@holdmyweight3597 always some excuse, always some injury,anything to Cope with the Failure. Use to be WCJ fault,use to be Markkanens fault,used to be Dunns,used to be Jimmy's or Wade's or Rando's or Pax Curry Erob Mercer my gosh Jordan been gone for 24 years now,when are you going to accept the fact that the owner simply doesn't want to win?
All time greatest empty stat players: Kelly Tripuka: averaged over 22ppg for the first half dozen years in the NBA for Detroit. He got traded to Utah and the Pistons suddenly became fantastic. Utah was worse with Tripuka. Then got picked up by Charlotte in expansion, scoring went up to over 21ppg for a terrible team. Reggie Theus: The Godfather of empty stat players. Look at his stats. 20ppg, 7-8apg in his prime. His teams were AWFUL. Went to a great Hawks team in 88-89 and the team s##% the bed with Theus running the point. Then played for an expansion team for a season and suddenly looked like an all-star again.
Devin Booker was 100% empty stats. It means putting up numbers that don't translate to winning. Kevin Love was in the same boat. Its being able to score and do things that look great, but due to a lack of defensive scheme, or lack of ability to play around other greats - you just won't really be a winner. The last few years of Melo on the Knicks come to mind. Its easy to score 20+ if the offense is designed around you, but the ability to convert that to wins is the difference between empty and meaningful.
Dillon Brooks is the guy that Draymond haters think Draymond is: a good but overhyped and dirty defender who contributes literally nothing on the offensive end.
What ? Demar was literally Toronto best player and helped the bulls become a playoff team last season and was in the mvp talks. that's not empty stats. But in the playoffs he underperforms
Give oubre a break nobody else is gonna shoot on the hornets than him and Terry they're trying they're is nobody else on Charlotte right now tho with bridges and lamelo gone
@@robertolebron2296 I don't think he's been the same caliber player he was since his injury in Boston he's had flashes but I think he's still had injury troubles that's why oubre plays bc Hayward isn't reliable enough
It's funny how all these players redeemed themselves this season. Brooks had a much more efficient season and reined in his shot selection. Oubre was one of the Sixers' better players. And Jalen Green exploded at the end of the season as the Rockets went on a big playoff push with Sengun out of the lineup.
Green's performance can be justified with just how bad the Rockets organization is right now, they have a coach that has little to no experience running a team as you can see it it their plays where its always an Isolation leading to a shot or a kick out. They also have no floor general and veteran players and lack of good role players, it's the same situation with Jabari Smith as he needs to create his own shot by either facing up or rebounding offensively.
i know this one guy who has zero stats for entire seasons he's so efficient he doesn't need to appear on the box score that's why brian scalabrine is the GOAT
In my year, it was Jamal Mashburn and Steph Marbury. They drop 20 a night but their teams didn't do anything. Mash started having success after going to Miami.
Did we forget that Kelly’s hand was injured for most of the season leading to surgery? That could also have something to do with TS and dip in efficiency?
Empty stat: Giannis faking an attempt at the backboard in the finals seconds to grab his own rebound to end up with a triple double that got taken away by the league
As a grizz fan it’s definitely painful when Dillon takes more than 8 shots in a game. We love his defense but his mentality is that he has to be the difference maker when we need it. Offensively he just does help.
Jordan Poole! GSW is an eyesore when he is running a play and playing hero ball. U can see steph klay and drays reaction when he wants to play hero ball and mess ball movement GSW have been known and won. Last year he plays with the team but this year is different and its not translatiing into wins.
The only downside (it’s a big one) with brooks is shot selection. As a grizzlies fan I’ll let you know brooks goes 100% effort all game long, guards the best player from the other team, doesn’t back down from anybody, and is great for the locker room. Would I trade him in a heartbeat for a better player? Of course. Is he annoying to watch sometimes? Painfully. But he is a winner. Also had massive games for us in the playoffs past couple of years vs Jazz and Warriors.
Empty stats are stats that do not translate into wins. Thats how it works, Booker's team was not winning and his stats where not making his team win so those where empty stats. Thats what empty stats are. Stats that do not translate into wins
I'm honestly surprised nobody here has said Andre Drummond -- Had to look this up: He's Detroit's franchise leader in Offensive Rebounds .... dude averaged 18 points and 16 rebounds on Detroit and they let him go for a sack of shit. I've never seen a guy miss 5 straight times directly under the net and grab every single rebound, I couldn't believe my eyes dude was a fantasy monster
I agree with most of everything in this video, I just don’t like people slinging around the empty stats term as a whole. People are saying Jokic is putting up empty stats this year and is just farming triple doubles. But when you look at the games, they haven’t lost with Jokic dropping a triple double yet. They losing to the spurs right now, but that stat still remains. It was the same with Russ a few years back, you don’t have to like his game, but they won around 40% more games when Russ had a triple double in that MVP season
Empty stats imo is stat padding, you could make an argument that Dame puts up empty stats but I bet he would fit in perfectly as a complementary piece compare to someone like Russ who puts up empty stats
It’s always been pretty simple imo. Being the best on a bad team is seen differently than being the best on a good team. Situation could always change the perception. Even putting up empty numbers is impressive. Except for Kelly Oubre lol
Well, the Devin Booker example really isn't "empty stats" so much as "empty callories", aka the "only good player on a bad team puts up big numbers"-phenomenon. When a team sucks, the only good player basically gets to do what he wants and gets to score as much of the team's total points as he wants. The team is tanking anyway, so his efficiency doesn't matter. That does not automatically equate terrible efficiency, aka "empty stats", though.
Chris Kaman is a huge empty stats player. His Box Plus-Minus was been negative his entire career despite having seasons of 18ppg 9rebs or 15ppg 12rebs. Inefficient scorer/crap defender.
Interestingly, his career defensive box +/- is better than his offensive career total for that metric. I could see his stats being viewed as “empty” for a few of those years, but two that I’d argue weren’t were in 2006 and 2007 when he was starting on a winning team and another that was a couple games away from being one. Could have been more efficient I’m sure, but his career field goal percentage is higher than some of the guys mentioned in the comments, and 52.3% in 06. Somewhat empty, but I have come across emptier.
“Jalen greens usage rate is higher than the MVPs” Nikola jokic is literally the exception almost every MVP for the past however many years the MVP award has been given out, has had over 30% USG
You mentioned Dillon Brooks' fouls as a detriment to the team. I disagree He's trash, so getting under the opponent's skin and possibly getting someone that can actually deliver something on the court ejected is what he has to offer for his team
I feel like empty stats has kinda been disproven. Everyone criticized guys like booker and Trae Young but when they started winning they keep the same stats and got respect. I think it applies more to lower level players having better years in bad teams like with Davonte Graham averaging 18 and 7 out of knowers then falling of a cliff when he wasn’t the no 1 option
@@fortynights1513 HE WAS FOR YEARS BEST RENOUNDER IN NBA JUST LIKE COUSINS WAS BEST CENTER IN LEAGUE. TOO BAD PLAYED IN VERY BAD FRANCHISE PISTONS AND KINGS.
One of the painful NBA experiences I’ve had this year is watching Hornets possessions where the only people to touch the ball are Terry Rozier and Kelly Oubre.
😂🤣 Not a Hornets fan but when those guys have the ball ... they ain't giving it up!
Rozier was one of the reasons the celtics lost against lebron in tatum rookie season. Took 10 3s and missed all of them
I don't watch much Hornets games but is Gordon Hayward washed? How is the team not running through him?
@@KingofNewark he’s not the player he was even two years ago but they look much better when he’s healthy (played 41 games this season) and he had a great game last night against the Knicks
@@KingofNewark I don’t think he’s washed, maybe they diminished his role since he can’t last a full season without getting hurt
Dillon Brooks is an absolute phenomenon. Not only he has insufferable personality, he also manages to be one of the worst starters in the league. I can't remember when was the last time he shot more than 40% from the field
Facts bro. Every time i watch a Grizzlies game boxscore, Brooks always go 4-15, 6-17, shooting or something like that lol
He prides himself for his defense but it cant make it up for his bricktime lmao
And he has the worst hairline-beard combo i have ever seen but thats just my opinion lol
Dillon Bricks*
last night when my lakers played the grizz, i smiled every time he shot the ball because I knew it was not gonna go in lol
he ended up going 5/17 from the field (and he actually took the most shots on the team)
I've never wanted someone to fail ad much as dillion Brooks
Damon Stoudemire is the best example I can think of. When he was with the cellar-dwelling Raptors, he was putting up HoF numbers. as soon as he moved to Portland, a title contending team, his numbers dropped instantly.
I'm sure some of that actually has to do with the fact that he was on a much better team and didn't need to carry the offensive load.
@@thepiratepenguin_ When Wilt dropped his scoring, his FG% and assists went way up, and his defense improved.
that's usually what happens when a star player doesn't have to carry the offense. didn't see that with Damon.
@@uberneanderthal Was Wilt’s FG% bad in his high points per game years?
@@uberneanderthal why on Earth would you ever think about, let alone take the time to write out a Wilt Chamberlain comparison to Damon Stoudamire?
@@thepiratepenguin_ dropping a nuke on a fishing village.
With teams running up 130 every night in regulation time, 20ppg is like 16 5 years ago.
Which is still world class.
both of those situations are still very valuable scoring i’m not sure what the point of this comment was LMAO
Yes that’s how ratios work lmao? What’s your point?
@@michaelhuerter1921 That 16ppg isn't shit lol. Are you illiterate?
@@srgetem The point is obvious. Points are worth less because of inflation. If a team scores 171 points, a two-pointer is only 0.01% of the total score. It's simple math.
Kelly Oubre just ended the Knicks winning streak 😔
Sigh..😭
That’s ok. They’re in the lotto. Bums.
@@stujohn6569 we have a better future then y’all 🤷🏽♂️
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.Knicks streak wasn’t go on forever.
it was bound to happen pretty quickly. That was a fatigue loss. Nicks have been riding there starters hard.
Kelly throwing it into the net is killing me😭😭
Still waiting and waiting in the wings for that 2012 Mavs video and the truth about whether it was their intention to split half of the core group from their title team in pursue of a big name free agent.
It was. But yeah good topic for a video
It's part of the reason but also Cuban didn't want to pay everyone.
Yes, I believe mark tried to go after d12 and deron Williams
@@williefaulker Yep but they come away with absolutely nothing. Luckily Donnie Nelson is no longer in the Mavs FO anymore.
@@williefaulker and somehow chris paul
I feel like Bradley Beal is one of those, he puts up 30 ppg but his teams never win 😢
The team is at its best when Beal scores 30+ though
Beal has never been a good leader. He will always be just a really good complimentary man
It's not even his fault. Wiz just sucks at talent acquisition.
Porzginis too
On god smh
Maybe a controversial take, but Wizards-era MJ was a prime example of this. He was putting up 20 ppg on 45-25-80 splits but still shot 20 times a game and played 35 minutes despite only having a .3 +/-
MJs Wizards years was about bringing all the old BBall fans back to the game so they could see Lebron, and hopefully he carries the torch. Jordan did this because he wanted a majority ownership stake in a franchise. The league agreed he could be an owner if he helps the league out. Yea Jordan wanted to win, but that was secondary. Jordan gives Lebron his popularity, cause Lebron still needed to be put over even after a 4 years major publicity campaign.
Jerry Stackhouse was the king of empty stats in that era.
Sounds like kobe in 2014 shooting 37/29/81 avg 22 points
And the minute the pistons traded Stackhouse they improved by 18 wins the next season. When he averaged 29.8 ppg in 2000-01 the pistons were 32-50
@@zapmando bruh what
I was thinking the same ishh about brooks, Watching him on offense is like he isn’t even trying to score with intent more like he’s throwing up a shot with the hope it goes in, He doesnt even aim sometimes he just shoots long threes out of nowhere, i remember ja’s second year, brooks was much better at being focused on scoring, but now he just shoots a shot just for an attempt on the score sheet smh
ofc jalen greens gonna have a high usage rate, hes a ball dominant guard on a young team with no expectations, culture, or system. nikola jokic does not have that high of usage rate compared to most nba stars. people like paolo banchero, kyle kuzma, and jordan poole also have higher usage rates than jokic 😂
Indeed, tbw Jokic is a C means most of the time his PG will hold and bring the ball more than he does. But Oubre still shit tho.
@@davidtogi5878 jokic brings the ball up all the time what are you talking ab, it has nothing to do with his point guard. he just doesn’t hold the ball and is constantly moving it. hes also throws like the most passes in the league thats why his usage is so low, embiid and giannis are both basically centers and have crazy high usage
to be expected when kid cudi is the coach
@@davidtogi5878That’s not what usage rate means. It’s a measurement of what percentage of team possessions end with that player, whether it be a shot attempt, a foul or a turnover. The reason Jokic has such a low usage rate is because he’s really efficient with his shots and he doesn’t commit a lot of turnovers.
Thank you for calling out Dillon Brooks! I think it's no coincidence he hasnt gotten an extension yet. The Grizzlies have 3 young guys for his spot but they are not ready yet (LaRavia, Roddy, Williams) and I wonder if they are going to try to sign a free agent SF or try to make a deal with Toronto or Brooklyn this summer.
OG would b great on this grizzles team
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@@ryanbarros3628 he would, but idk if toronto would make that trade
Williams is going to be good when he's 25.I think Williams did very well with what time he had in last year's playoffs. I haven't seen enough of LaRavia and Roddy yet. Having all three come off the bench and compete for minutes will only help them in the long run.
You think those 3 dudes are going to be better than Brooks? You don't know Brooks well enough then. You think you know but you really don't.
I loved Bobby Portis in the JJ Reddick Podcast saying people kept saying that Bobby had nothing but empty stats. So he forced his agent to get him Giannis phone number to put some respect on his name! Love Bobby!!!
Dillon has the audacity to criticize Draymond's game when he hasn't even done anything worth remembering. Green's a 4x all star and a DPOY and also a leader of a generational team that included Curry, Klay, Durant, Iggy etc. You think Cousins or KD would listen to Dillon? It takes a whole lot of respect for a superstar to listen to you. Dillon hasn't even lead Memphis to anything..
Dillon is the 'acting tough when up' and find excuses when down. Not to mention this dude is running a dynasty.
Also Dray can run the offense for a bit when Curry is out. Brooks can't do that.
@@shermanngjazz Brooks can play defense. If you call injuring the opponents or hitting them in the nards yes he is a Defensive player of the year calibre
@@nithilanamudhan6260 his offense is garbage, but to say he's anything other than an elite defender is dumb.
@@nithilanamudhan6260 BROOKS IS REASON WHY MEMPHIS ARE SO GOOD. BUT BLIND LIKE U ONLY THINK BASKETBALL IS JUST ABOUT SCORING. THATS WHBY JORDAN LOST VS SHAQ BECAUSE DIDNT HAD RODMAN WHO AVERAGE 4 PPG TO SAVE HIM.
I feel like it’s inefficient scoring, not making teammates better and then giving up more points on the defensive end than you create on offense. The mix of those 3 creates an “empty stats” player. If you follow this checklist you can find players on bad teams that aren’t actually empty stats, just their team is awful.
You’d have to do some film study though to figure this out about a player
In my opinion it’s a product of being the best scorer on a team that didn’t really have anyone else who could score well, and these players aren’t ones who you’d build a team around because they don’t score efficiently, and teams where they were the best player didn’t win much.
Some of them could be decent in a reduced role perhaps, but they aren’t number one options on successful teams in the league.
A textbook example that’s perhaps even more inefficient than anyone you’ll see in this comment section would be Jamal Mashburn in 1996.
He averaged 23.4 points per game on 37.9% shooting from the field for a 26 win Mavericks team. The team was good offensively, but horrid defensively, so he may not have been good in that regard in addition to inefficient scoring.
That 37.9% is worse than every season of Allen Iverson’s career, almost all of Jerry Stackhouse’s prime, and both of MJ’s Wizards years and only two players who scored as much shot as inefficiently, and both were in the 50’s and 60’s (Joe Fulks and Dolph Schayes).
So that might be the emptiest stats ever.
I always classified empty stats as "stats that don't translate to the win column". Usually points scored on poor efficiency. So I do agree with the idea that Booker's stats WERE empty, because the Suns didn't win anything and Booker is a notorious shot-chucker. His numbers still do overrate him to an extent.
Edit: Quick addendum for all the Booker stans- yes, I know his efficiency has gotten better over the years. Early Booker was still a chucker. His numbers are still overrated because his usage rate is beyond cracked.
Exactly. He starts to play hero ball in the playoffs especially when they're down and losing the series.
Empty stats doesn't exist
Devin Booker has been efficient his ts% was always above league average. Fg% has nothing to do with efficiency. Booker's problem in the past was his Playmaking and his defense.
@@anubis4032 Of course they do. What good did Triple-Double Man ever accomplish on the Thunder?
What makes booker different from before and now?
Good example is Bones Hyland. Nuggets did a little addition by subtraction dumping him at the deadline. He'll go into heroball mode in the second quarter with the 2x MVP on the floor. Clearly not a team player on a slick, high-functioning team.
Kelly hasn't been relevant since leaving Washington. Thanks a lot Ernie Grunfeld but at least you're no longer part of the FO anymore. It's still too early for Jalen Green but hopefully he can figure things out. Dillon Brooks has been one of the most polarizing figure in the NBA today and yes even more so than Kyrie today.
Calling Brooks' offense putrid is hilarious and 100% fair
The whole Rockets team except Sengun and Eason has empty stats
Big facts, Sengun is wasted playing 25mins a game. They don't develop him at all and don't run squat for him, Silas out here stealing paychecks.
Facts. Coach Silas has them running Prison ball
Perfectly said
Of the two players you named, who is better?
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I know that Terry Rozier is an honorable mention, but when LaMelo is healthy he pairs with him well, and from 2018 playoffs he also proved how when his team isn’t shit he can be the primary ball handler of the team and have success. His ability to switch on and off ball is still pretty valuable.
Absolutely, I feel like he was way to harsh on us.
@@zacflemo1994 wish people would just look at the team and see they have a mess. Idk who tf is drafting dudes and they can’t keep any talent. Terry seems to be doing okay under these circumstances
I’m a hornets fan and I can confidently say that Kelly Oubre is the biggest black hole in the nba. When he has the ball, it’s going up 95% of the time. He gets to the line a bunch, but really stops the movement and flow of a team
He averages an insane 1 assist per game. Im glad my Suns got rid of him
He was a genuine ball stopper a year later in Golden State. His athleticism was insane, but the offense just didn't click when he was on the floor.
I thought booker killed empty-stat narratives for good, it’s really just a euphemism for “bad at basketball” now.
I remember I subscribed to you and you had like 101 subs it’s crazy to see how much you grew
I think it’s time to make a new term for “empty stats”. There needs to be a better way to describe a player that gets good numbers but it hurts the team rather than help
I agree
The new term should be called "westbrook." Instead of "he puttin up empty stats." It should be "he westbrooking."
@@alfasiger4178 this is just ignorant and disrespectful. Westbrook has had an excellent career outside of the last two years, and though he’s got some terrible flaws, he over the course of his career has still been a positive to his teams
@@JoeBro915 Westbrook has been positive in the regular season, not in playoffs. I'm so annoyed how he plays in the playoffs back in his prime. His stats are amazing but yeah, he cant be a real #1 option
@@JoeBro915 Some call his impact a floor raiser, not a ceiling raiser. I guess floor raiser is a kind way of putting it.
8:26 - Gotta love Jokic, this clown just cost him 2 racks so he goes up to him to calmly explain that he doesn't appreciate the bs. True MVP, the type of things that makes your teammates work harder for you.
Just watched Dillon Brooks putting up some bs shots, the night before this video dropped
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"Low calorie statistics"
Shannon Sharpe said it's when you put up great numbers with no real results like wins and playoff contention
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The weird thing about Dillon Brooks is he has some of the best “On/Off” numbers of any role player starter in the NBA. And this isn’t just his on/off with the rest of the starting lineup, his numbers are still extremely impressive when Ja, JJJ and Steven Adams aren’t on the court. I can’t figure out why, but when Dillon Brooks is on the court Memphis is winning in those minutes.
Yup. Brooks is the literally the opposite of an empty stats player since his biggest contributions don't even show up on the box score
It's because he's an outstanding plus defender. First in the league for all perimeter players for shooting pct as nearest defender out of 94 players who have defended at least 650 shots this year. Don't know why he isn't in the conversation for All Defense Team this year.
@@christopherjackson7177 cause he’s 🗑️
Those Brooks comments towards the end about him hurting his team more than helping are some crazy foreshadowing.
Just here to listen to the Dillon brooks take after possibly the worst poke the bear moment in NBA history lol
you mock the king you get tortured in the most horrendous way...
Yeah another Andy video!! Glad to see it and hear it!!
"This is a lost season for the Hornets." Let's keep it real, you could say that in any season.
I'm a Wiz fan (yeah, I'm depressed) and before the video even started I thought of Kelly Oubre. Man.... I remember every single year being like "okay he is gonna turn it on this year" and it just never happened.
Gotta be Russ and Christian Wood
Russ is just empty
Russ stats tell the story people just not reading it
LeBron is up there too
@@janoycresnova9156 @hater
@@papadoc331 YEAH LEOVERRATED LEAD HISTORY IN TURNOVERS AND PPL BLAME RUSS. BUT JJ BAREA IS STILL BETTER THAN LEWAGON
Good take! I'm hoping to see for opposite of this video, players who put up the most meaningful stats. Well, maybe the exception of MVP candidates. Those underrated players.
You’d probably end up with very useful role players who are in a reduced role, and whose raw stats don’t accurately reflect the value they can provide to teams.
Westbrick better be in there because he havent be a winner in playoffs after kd left and his triple double-winning havent been working in playoffs for the longest time.
I LIKE VIDEOS LIKE THIS FROM YOU ANDY!!
TS% and DBPM seem to be the two stats that reveal if someone is 'empty stats' or not. If the former is in the low 50s and the latter is in the negatives, you got an empty stat king on your hands. trade him before the rest of the league figures it out.
Why DBPM?
DBPM is garbage. Overall BPM is better if the player has BPM of below 2 with huge volume traditional box stats.
@@ipwaihei2414 shows if the player is actually doing things on the defensive end to help the team win, or just saving all his effort for stat-padding.
@@uberneanderthal so why not just say BPM
i remember when oubre went to the suns and he was dropping like 18ppg but we still kept losing despite adding a good 2 way player, didnt make sense at all and the suns only started to win consistently when in the bubble they played without him, love the energy he brings but unfortunately he isn't as good as his stats appear to be
the suns were bad with oubre because we had a cheap owner and bad coaching. in bookers first 5 seasons he had 4 different head coaches. the suns started winning when james jones and monty williams got hired and changed the culture
Funny enough, Jokic has a similar usage% as Oubre, while also having close to 10x the amount of assists.
As a center too
And insane TS efficiency
As a Knicks fan... Thank you for the Hornets slander... I needed that lol.
I think there are 3 different things that can qualify you as having empty stats
1. Playing on a terrible team and having great numbers year after year but your team never gets out of the bottom. No matter how bad your team is, after a few years you should be able to help your team improve even a little unless your numbers are just about yourself and don't actually help the team. Examples of this are Booker his first 5 years and Jerami Grant when he went to Detroit.
2. Being a player on a loaded team and only getting numbers because all of the attention is going to your teammates.
3. Being a player with extremely high usage but terrible efficiency as well as usually relying on free throws
3 usually relies on you being on a terrible team
2 is being a complimentary player from the sound of it
Feels like you can't win with your definitions. If you're in a bad team it's empty stats because you don't get wins,and if you're in a good team its empty stats because the defence isn't putting attention on you
@@OK-yy6qz It's empty stats only if you're on a bad team and don't help them improve, even a little, after a few years. And it's not empty stats when you're on a good team if you still find a way to get production even when your top teammates aren't on the floor with you eating up all the attention.
@@ranchosdelnorte then Booker is a bad example because in his first 5 years the Suns would be a 10 win team without him instead of a 30-35 win one.
As for the second one you're describing a system player, someone like Klay Thompson that's not empty stats some players just work better within a system
Bet Andy was malding after last night's game LMAOOOOOO
The whole empty stats narrative is stupid. Should players stop trying on offense is you have a lead in the fourth quarter? Should they stop playing if they're down by double digits in the last minutes of the game? It's such a dumb take
exactly basketball fans are so weird basically if you’re not on a contender or haven’t won a championship they don’t appreciate or enjoy a single thing a player does
Exactly i dont understand and im starting to see people call LeBrons stat empty like what is he supposed to do just not shoot the ball???
@@trvspvrk it makes my brain hurt
Empty Stats in basketball = Low Impact basketball player. Meaning the player's PTS, REBS, ASTS grossly overstate how good a player is to winning margins.
@@blacknetsmed Could it be a player who could help a team in a reduced role?
I wouldn't consider rookies or sophomores to put up "empty stats". If the player (and/or the team) is in the development phase they are supposed to test stuff and if it leads to becoming a better player I wouldn't say the stats are "empty".
For me empty stats is when a player has been in the league for several years and is clearly not developing anymore and they are more hurting their team by taking all the shots.
Westbrook, Oubre, Nick Young, Josh Smith... Either you play winning basketball or you try to develop and grow the team. If you score 25 but you take all the shots away from your teammates - that's empty stats.
"Empty stats" is when it looks good on paper, but you're actually hurting your team.
people be hating, but to put up 30 ppg with the most talented players in the world is impressie.
Like id rather put up 30 ppg and be losing than a benchwarmer.
Thanks for your comment Sherlock. But that’s not the point he’s making. The point he’s making is that their high scoring numbers don’t contribute to winning basketball. For example would you rather be Bradley Beal when he averages 33 ppg or Stephen curry who averaged 28 ppg but won the championship
@@Chowmeinn bradley beal when he averaged 33 ppg.
Like dawg who cares, life is to short to obsess over something you cant control
@@omarthescriblomale8279u can always sign on another team for less money and get a shoe deal from winning
@@Chavanun555 thats fair. But losing players still get crazy endorsements
@@omarthescriblomale8279 yeah but if you win you get more its that simple. I mean like I dont think Beal will ever have his own shoe lol. Zion got his shoe even in his first year just for being famous. Playing for big market teams and actually winning matters to sponsors so you can really choose. Too bad Beal didnt choose to lower his price and go to contenders. Now he has to rot and be forgotten in Washington lol
I remember back in 2018 you was talking so much about booker but now look at you
“They said Devin Bookers 25ppg were empty stats because the team was bad”
Proceeds to say the exact same thing people said about Booker just with other players😂
But Booker was efficient in those "empty stat" years. It isn't the same thing when one statement is supported by the numbers and the other is an empty narrative.
The argument is that if the team had better scorers, then these guys wouldn’t get as many shots, and thus fewer points.
@@fortynights1513 I understand that. They have had to step up and fill the void for teams missing their scorers but they doesn’t mean their stats are empty.
@@bdavis6115 If you are inefficient, and the team isn’t winning much, then there’s a better argument for your stats being empty.
Is Booker inefficient in your opinion?
@@fortynights1513 so stats only count if you are effecient on a losing team or if your ineffecient on a good team?
Great video,subscribed
Fred, russ, and woods should be here too.
Jalen Green stats reminded me of Jordan Poole
JG: 21-3-3 on 41% FG and 33% 3PT (7.5 3pt attempt/game) (48.5% eFG and 54% TS)
JP: 21-3-4 on 42% FG and 32% 3PT (8.0 3pt attempt/game) (50% eFG and 56% TS)
What saved Jordan Poole is only his free throws, raising his True Shooting by a good amount.
But instead of attacking the paint, he was spamming a lot of 3s and only made 13/52 (25%) from the last 6 games.
The difference between those 2, JG had a bad team, JP had a championship team with Steph taking all the attention.
Not that it matters but I think Jordan Poole is very overrated what does he do or did that Jordan Clarkson for example hasnt been doing for a decade,,,put JC on the warriors and I think he can play that role even better, but that’s just my opinion
TLDR: they’re both chuckers and they both suck
I watched brooks in the playoffs last year against the warriors and dude made me lose so many brain cells like dude why do you keep shooting and you cant shoot. If this dude don't improve his shot the grizzlies wont go anywhere. So it maybe time for memphis to trade him. And thank you brooks for shooting your team out the lakers game last night 😂 also im just getting pistons josh smith comparisons for him
I mean he's open
"Shooters gotta shoot"
I thought that was common knowledge 💀
I feel that Jalen Green, and the whole Rockets roster for that matter, would really benefit from a veteran leader. I know that they’ve had older guys around but if they found someone that the younger guys respected maybe they’d be more receptive. They need to be taught how to play NBA basketball or they’ll never develop. In my eyes, this season is proof of that.
As a hornets fan, the only thing more infuriating than the injuries is how much potential Kelly flashes. Feels like a diet version of Andrew Wiggans or javale Magee. All the talent in the world, with the basketball iq of a rec center casual
During Russ's triple double years when he would do things on purpose like shoot/rebound real quick. That and more of the same from him were all empty, empty
It resets the shot clock and gives his team another possession
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I personally like Dillon Brooks. He brings back that toughness the league is missing from the 90s. Where you really compete and stop being friends with oponents.
yea idk why everyone hates him, obvi he goes against the general nba status quo, but that’s what makes him entertaining lol
You like him because you're gay. Period.
I agree. Dillon Brooks is my favorite player all time. I have many of his jerseys. Fck the haters!
Russel in his mvp year is the definition of empty stats
Zach and Demar better be on this list!!!
O hell no! Zach and Demar are the absolute best examples of empty stats guys.
Demar averaged 27 on a Raptors team that won the conference, not an empty stat guy, just not good enough to be number one option.
@@andreasbatten7634 yeah well even with two all stars he can't get his team into the playoffs makes him an empty stats guy and i hope him and the rest of the bums on that team are shipped during the draft.
They were right in the playoffs this season. If it weren’t for Zach getting injured maybe they make the playoffs. Also they made the playoffs the year before so this disproves your theory.
@@holdmyweight3597 always some excuse, always some injury,anything to Cope with the Failure.
Use to be WCJ fault,use to be Markkanens fault,used to be Dunns,used to be Jimmy's or Wade's or Rando's or Pax Curry Erob Mercer my gosh Jordan been gone for 24 years now,when are you going to accept the fact that the owner simply doesn't want to win?
All time greatest empty stat players:
Kelly Tripuka: averaged over 22ppg for the first half dozen years in the NBA for Detroit. He got traded to Utah and the Pistons suddenly became fantastic. Utah was worse with Tripuka. Then got picked up by Charlotte in expansion, scoring went up to over 21ppg for a terrible team.
Reggie Theus: The Godfather of empty stat players. Look at his stats. 20ppg, 7-8apg in his prime. His teams were AWFUL. Went to a great Hawks team in 88-89 and the team s##% the bed with Theus running the point. Then played for an expansion team for a season and suddenly looked like an all-star again.
What about LeBron James, his 30 ppg and Lakers standings position the last two years? Or it's a Russ effect and things gonna change?
Well yeah since he’s left the team haven’t things changed at the lakers?
Devin Booker was 100% empty stats. It means putting up numbers that don't translate to winning. Kevin Love was in the same boat. Its being able to score and do things that look great, but due to a lack of defensive scheme, or lack of ability to play around other greats - you just won't really be a winner. The last few years of Melo on the Knicks come to mind. Its easy to score 20+ if the offense is designed around you, but the ability to convert that to wins is the difference between empty and meaningful.
Bookers 70 points is an empty stat, cuz the Suns already lost the game and his teammates force fed him the ball.
NEVER HEARD OF FEED THE HOT HAND??? He's on fire give it to him till they stop him its simple basketball
Dillon Brooks is the guy that Draymond haters think Draymond is: a good but overhyped and dirty defender who contributes literally nothing on the offensive end.
This is DeMar DeRozan in a nutshell
What ? Demar was literally Toronto best player and helped the bulls become a playoff team last season and was in the mvp talks. that's not empty stats. But in the playoffs he underperforms
@@tj5180 this season and last season are entirely different. We’re talking about this season. All his stats are empty simple really…
Yessir back with the basic implosion
Give oubre a break nobody else is gonna shoot on the hornets than him and Terry they're trying they're is nobody else on Charlotte right now tho with bridges and lamelo gone
What happened to Gordon Hayward?
@@robertolebron2296 I don't think he's been the same caliber player he was since his injury in Boston he's had flashes but I think he's still had injury troubles that's why oubre plays bc Hayward isn't reliable enough
When he described an empty stats player in the beginning, I’ve never heard a more accurate description of Dillon brooks
Where's LeBron on this list? He's putting up empty 30 ppg and his team is not even in the play in 2nd year in a row.
Nice bait
@@nomongosinthaworld no bait here, just facts
@@janoycresnova9156 Lakers are making the playoffs this year with capable players around him now.
It's funny how all these players redeemed themselves this season. Brooks had a much more efficient season and reined in his shot selection. Oubre was one of the Sixers' better players. And Jalen Green exploded at the end of the season as the Rockets went on a big playoff push with Sengun out of the lineup.
Green's performance can be justified with just how bad the Rockets organization is right now, they have a coach that has little to no experience running a team as you can see it it their plays where its always an Isolation leading to a shot or a kick out. They also have no floor general and veteran players and lack of good role players, it's the same situation with Jabari Smith as he needs to create his own shot by either facing up or rebounding offensively.
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The Rockets don’t have any other threats!? The Boban disrespect is huge.
i know this one guy who has zero stats for entire seasons
he's so efficient he doesn't need to appear on the box score
that's why brian scalabrine is the GOAT
In my year, it was Jamal Mashburn and Steph Marbury. They drop 20 a night but their teams didn't do anything. Mash started having success after going to Miami.
It's amazing how a couple made or missed jumpshots or 3s can make or break a player in the regular season or post season
Did we forget that Kelly’s hand was injured for most of the season leading to surgery? That could also have something to do with TS and dip in efficiency?
😂 He was ass before the injury
Empty stat: Giannis faking an attempt at the backboard in the finals seconds to grab his own rebound to end up with a triple double that got taken away by the league
As a grizz fan it’s definitely painful when Dillon takes more than 8 shots in a game. We love his defense but his mentality is that he has to be the difference maker when we need it. Offensively he just does help.
Corey Maggette was the epitome of "empty stats" his entire career.
Man when you said your last memory of Kelly Oubre being him with the Wizards, thought he was gonna next
2-3 years ago Brooks was my favourite Memphis player. Now he's not even in my top 5 anymore. I feel like he's gotten cocky and it's hurt his game.
Jordan Poole! GSW is an eyesore when he is running a play and playing hero ball. U can see steph klay and drays reaction when he wants to play hero ball and mess ball movement GSW have been known and won. Last year he plays with the team but this year is different and its not translatiing into wins.
The only downside (it’s a big one) with brooks is shot selection.
As a grizzlies fan I’ll let you know brooks goes 100% effort all game long, guards the best player from the other team, doesn’t back down from anybody, and is great for the locker room. Would I trade him in a heartbeat for a better player? Of course. Is he annoying to watch sometimes? Painfully.
But he is a winner. Also had massive games for us in the playoffs past couple of years vs Jazz and Warriors.
Empty stats are stats that do not translate into wins. Thats how it works,
Booker's team was not winning and his stats where not making his team win so those where empty stats. Thats what empty stats are. Stats that do not translate into wins
I'm honestly surprised nobody here has said Andre Drummond -- Had to look this up: He's Detroit's franchise leader in Offensive Rebounds .... dude averaged 18 points and 16 rebounds on Detroit and they let him go for a sack of shit. I've never seen a guy miss 5 straight times directly under the net and grab every single rebound, I couldn't believe my eyes dude was a fantasy monster
I agree with most of everything in this video, I just don’t like people slinging around the empty stats term as a whole. People are saying Jokic is putting up empty stats this year and is just farming triple doubles. But when you look at the games, they haven’t lost with Jokic dropping a triple double yet. They losing to the spurs right now, but that stat still remains. It was the same with Russ a few years back, you don’t have to like his game, but they won around 40% more games when Russ had a triple double in that MVP season
Empty stats should just be considered good counting stats on bad efficiency
Empty stats imo is stat padding, you could make an argument that Dame puts up empty stats but I bet he would fit in perfectly as a complementary piece compare to someone like Russ who puts up empty stats
It’s always been pretty simple imo. Being the best on a bad team is seen differently than being the best on a good team. Situation could always change the perception. Even putting up empty numbers is impressive. Except for Kelly Oubre lol
Well, the Devin Booker example really isn't "empty stats" so much as "empty callories", aka the "only good player on a bad team puts up big numbers"-phenomenon. When a team sucks, the only good player basically gets to do what he wants and gets to score as much of the team's total points as he wants. The team is tanking anyway, so his efficiency doesn't matter. That does not automatically equate terrible efficiency, aka "empty stats", though.
Chris Kaman is a huge empty stats player. His Box Plus-Minus was been negative his entire career despite having seasons of 18ppg 9rebs or 15ppg 12rebs. Inefficient scorer/crap defender.
Interestingly, his career defensive box +/- is better than his offensive career total for that metric.
I could see his stats being viewed as “empty” for a few of those years, but two that I’d argue weren’t were in 2006 and 2007 when he was starting on a winning team and another that was a couple games away from being one.
Could have been more efficient I’m sure, but his career field goal percentage is higher than some of the guys mentioned in the comments, and 52.3% in 06.
Somewhat empty, but I have come across emptier.
“Jalen greens usage rate is higher than the MVPs” Nikola jokic is literally the exception almost every MVP for the past however many years the MVP award has been given out, has had over 30% USG
Love how brooks has guts sayin “dienasty” lol
You mentioned Dillon Brooks' fouls as a detriment to the team.
I disagree
He's trash, so getting under the opponent's skin and possibly getting someone that can actually deliver something on the court ejected is what he has to offer for his team
The last clip of Kelly was horrendous
That Kelly Oubre segment was brutal
I feel like empty stats has kinda been disproven. Everyone criticized guys like booker and Trae Young but when they started winning they keep the same stats and got respect. I think it applies more to lower level players having better years in bad teams like with Davonte Graham averaging 18 and 7 out of knowers then falling of a cliff when he wasn’t the no 1 option
Every single Andre Drummond stat was empty. Every rebound accomplishment or double-double in Detroit was empty. The guy got way too much credit.
JUST LIKE JORDAN 0-6 VS BIRD IN CAREER. MJ IS NOBODY IN HISTORY BECAUSE HE WON ZERO GAMES VS BIRD
Was he a bad rebounder?
@@fortynights1513 HE WAS FOR YEARS BEST RENOUNDER IN NBA JUST LIKE COUSINS WAS BEST CENTER IN LEAGUE. TOO BAD PLAYED IN VERY BAD FRANCHISE PISTONS AND KINGS.
This video is not about Andre Drummond