That stuff at 4:15 might be speaking to me. Telling me that I'm probably going to whiff it or or top it (or maybe shank it) actually gives me some hope. *And*, assuring me that doing the drill can get me past what my brain has been telling me can't possibly work is *also* most encouraging. Know what I'll be fiddling with tomorrow. . .
You guys have some great videos, and I thank you. This one has helped me more than any yet. I have always had problems with "flipping" the wrists during the downswing and causing the clubhead to pass my hands before impact. This drill has virtually eliminated it within a short period of time. I've had a lot of trouble with fat and thin hits that really hurt my confidence and could never figure out exactly what would correct it. This drill really helps you with distance, accuracy, and especially with being able to strike the ground at the same point swing after swing. The drill showed me that I wasn't getting on my left side early enough and my hips and shoulders weren't anywhere near as open at impact as I thought they were. I strongly recommend that anyone who is having inconsistent ball contact try working with this and you may see drastic improvement like I have. Good luck!
So spot on what you say at 4:25 I did almost miss the ball when I tried it because I'm so used to flipping and the club being "longer." I know this is one of those cliche phrases but I feel like I have to "stay down" on the ball so much more since I'm so used to standing up.
Mike & Shaun, this is a game changer. Had a go today in a net and got lots of very different strikes (including shanks) but when you "get it", it's remarkable - almost simple, uncomplicated. I found that it's the hand position that's all important - getting them in front, almost ahead, of your core at impact was key to delivering the club face without excessive manipulation. It's going to take a lot of repetitions to trust it but I'm convinced it'll pay off. You could almost focus all students, from beginner up, on the this drill and it would "build out" so many other good behaviours.
Sounds like you completely "get" this one, Jonathan. Uncomplicated is exactly what it should feel like and what many of the best in the world feel. Keep at it!
Good one guys! Figured this out a month or so ago and started doing it. Your absolutely right it's a bit messy at the start, but for those who are interested in trying it stick with it, it does get better IF you rep it. And rep it, and do it again. The brain is stubborn as heck when it comes to new movement patterns, but the myelin will eventually rewire the circuits and it gets better.
Excellent stuff. I've studied a lot of different instructors over the years. Every one of them, mostly, have added value to my understanding of what to strive for. What you guys are showing here really "marries" up well with some the better instruction I have viewed in the past. Lots of what you demonstrate here fits, for example, with what Wayne Defrancesco has been teaching (though he uses different words to express the same dynamics) as well as Russell Heritage and Bradley Hughes. The hardest part of what you teach (that I have seen so far) is the concept of "falling" or shifting to the lead foot. That's because I was in my youth a chronic over-hip-slider-shifter toward the target. That led to getting very stuck which led to shots wiped way right or snap hooked (the dreaded two way miss). So for me, it would be really great if you could point me to some of your vids that actually address "how much" to shift toward the lead foot without shifting too much. I find this exceptionally difficult to "calibrate." Whenever I try to employ the falling or shifting to the lead foot, I find my lead hip ends up blocking my ability to rotate to the left. Maybe it's all in my head. Or maybe it actually is a physical limitation. Please help me with this if you can. Thanks again for your method of instruction, where you actually take the time to not just show us what a good swing looks like, but to also show us how to execute moves in sequence. Hogan used to say that you wouldn't explain to a young child who wanted to know how to open a door by explaining at length what the door looks like when it is opened. Instead, you would teach the child how to turn the handle. You guys are doing this really well. Keep up the great work.
Forget my earlier question. Pros have been trying to get me to turn my hips more for years but I never understood or was shown the preconditions so you can do it correctly. Tried your drill. Just left the range. This is fabulous.
You guys are the best I’ve found in the massive amount of RUclips coaches I’ve watched over the last 12 months. One day hope to come see you guys for a in person lesson. I live in Tulsa OK so a little bit of a drive or flight to get to you. Keep up the good work.
I tried this on the range and was very pleased with the outcome. With just over half a backswing I was only losing 30 yds with a 7 iron but all had good ball flight and direction. I'm tempted to play this way.
Great info guys. My fault and many others, with getting more open at impact is - what is causing the hips to stall in the downswing leading into impact. This is a version of one of my favorite half swing drills to get that "tour open" at impact drills. The issue is there seems to be an endless list of counterproductive backswing and starting of the downswing faults that stalls the hips into impact. Ive used a variation of the drill with alignment stick in handle and using a tour striker which aligns with what your showing here. Seemingly an endless quest.
Nice, Mark. Your comments are right on point and why we thought it necessary to add the "pre-open" checklist. Without getting to the delivery phase with things in place, getting open just won't happen.
Possibly a helpful added suggestion: set up in Sean’s preset “pro” position (shaft slightly more than half way down, weight forward, knees flexed, hips slightly opened and for me the club face closed). Now slide your right hand (for a right hand golfer) down the shaft toward the head and with only your middle finger holding the shaft, maintain this relationship as the hips rotate open and the club face returns to the ball. Because your right hand is significantly below the left and the middle finger is holding back the shaft, you can’t flip the club head and you maintain the proper side bend through impact and really opens those hips!
Your comments at 5:23 ish is dead right on. That's what I'm experiencing. It's working and I'm hitting it way better but it's been a lot of work. Well worth it. Thanks
Awesome. Gonna give this a go. I recently bought a tittle.x device which is a sensor on club and focussed on ‘release’ and repeating that motion. I’m going to try and apply this knowledge later and see if I can affect the output on this sensor 🤞🤞
Another quality video, appreciate your work fellas. Would love to see an extension of this video on how the club face traces the circular swing arc, especially on the downswing and how I think most high handicappers have the club handle too far away and don't follow the swing arc at impact and the follow through.
I was playing this feel today and was really happy with the contact. Strangely it felt like I couldn’t generate as much power. Let me say how I really love all your content! It really helps to understand the correct intent and work towards building something solid. Thanks!!
Gentlemen, I love your videos and analysis, this latest one being no exception. You indicate here that the arms and club need to be positioned into the delivery zone before rotating through impact. Other instructors preach that rotation is what brings the club into impact and that a player shouldn't try to move the club into position. What does Gear show that the pros actually do during the downswing? Blend arm and body movement or just rotate. Thanks and keep your videos coming.
It's absolutely a blend of the arms and body. The player may feel a bias towards one or the other, but the reality of what happens is pretty clear. Great question.
You noted exactly what I've been suffering from. I'm going through a swing change and I've been struggling with this move of rotation and opening. No matter how slow or repetitious I do this drill my body can't feel it, the video of myself looks wrong, and my brain can't figure it out. Then after multiple sessions of trying to complete this drill, I just stop trying and then don't pick up the club again for weeks....which only compounds the difficulty in training and learning. I'm totally perplexed and frustrated.
The reason slow is key with this at first is because it allows you to be hyper-aware of where your body/club are. No doubt you think you're going slow, but it's probably not slow enough if you're not sure what's happening. Then are you clear on where you should be at impact? Awareness and where you're trying to get to are the keys with this one.
Would love to see a video with different ways (feels and techniques) to get open. I have a right (trail) knee issue but only way I can get really open is twist my right leg hard which aggravates the knee.
@@AthleticMotionGolf sorry a poor choice of words... I meant actually get open after trying different feels or methods. I have never had a stock ball flight (only hit it straight and miss both ways) and after several lesson lost the ability to hit it low ( he told me I do everything right just too much and tried to slow my body down, also lost clubhead speed as a result). Being in Australia deal with wind a lot. Hoping to get open and stabilize the club to work on a consistent stock shot and get from 6 down to 2. Footage of my swing post lessons of those days has very square at impact hips and no shaft lean but not flippy. Plan on doing some online lessons with you n the near future.
Hey guys! Been working on this drill since my last swing review but as you said in this video: "It's going to be ugly!". I top the ball, shank it, have no hip rotation, standing up, etc. I just realized that I have no idea what to do from P6 to impact and how to release the club :( Could you do a video explaining in detail how to release the club from P6 to be able to do this drill and in another part showing us what are the common mistakes you see (standing up, holding the lag, no supination, no hip rotation, etc) and how to fix it? Like what you talk at 4:38 in this video. Thanks a lot!
Great video as usual guys. Quick RELATED QUESTION......I had asked in a question to another one of your videos, how REALLY IS IT, that the hands actually drop to that waist/hip high delivery position from the top.......your response, if I recall correctly, was that it was more related to the left shoulder (and maybe left hip ), staying low a lot longer than I was likely aware of, or used to......do I have that right? I'm trying to connect the dots to this next phase of the downswing in this video. Thanks again.
I have been classic handle dragger for way too long! I am starting my work on this particular topic and seeing some positive results. However, I noticed I tend to thin my short irons and wedges. Is it possible you can make a video about using this approach while hitting club that may require a slightly steeper angle of attack?
When doing this drill and maintaining good posture, I feel I have to have a totally different release or hand pattern. Maybe that's why I've hit thin for many years.
Should the pressure in the lead foot (in the transition) start in the toe area to start to push the lead hip back to have your hips open more natually using those ground forces?
So, this is beautiful, but...what about the driver? I tend to hot ot way too low. How do you use this drill with the Driver and still hit up on the ball? Thanks.
Would you say not to many people realize that coming into impact you have to be internally rotating 'into' the lead hip socket against a posting lead leg as that is the motion that 'clears' the lower body? Think too many people still think that the whole hip structure the pelvic girdle moves as one 'whole unit' & that it 'opens' or 'rotates open' all together. When after the delivery position, that p6 illustrated in the video, where both hip sockets are momentarily both externally rotated, from there the motion of both hip sockets is to be moving into being internally rotated into & through impact ?
Actually worked with one of our pros yesterday on that very thing - getting more of a firm posted lead leg coming into delivery. A soft or saggy lead leg makes rotation very difficult for sure. Good post.
I’ve always had left wrist rotation into impact, or a roll release. Does this drill supposed to have a more square release through impact, I’ve tried the drill and it feels like I tend to make good contact when I allow my trail arm to almost push or go into full extension into impact. So I’m not sure if that is correct or not either. And how are we supposed to drop into this position from a film swing?
Gradually start adding more and more motion to the backswing part of the drill. Yes, the release you're hitting it the best with is probably the best release for you😉
Yup. Started out UGLY!!! But, just watching this video along with a lot of practice swings in front of a mirror my impact position is improving AND I'm getting a better release!
One old mantra is start the downswing from bottom to top. Not sure if this is exactly correct but as humans we're obviously very arms/hands/fingers dominant. Very hard not to start downswing with the arms which can lead to throwing the club. Do you guys have a simple order of sequence. Something that we amateurs can have as a simple swing thought?
Love this question. The best visual of sequence would be in our "How To Stop Sliding" videos which I'll link to at the bottom. If that's done, you'll be encouraged to really get the arms and club going. The problem is that most golfers try the "ground up" stuff once they reach the top of the swing... that's too late. There just isn't enough time to get everything done in that tidy little sequence we here so much about. One of the big differences with the pros and ams is that the pros are starting the ground part of their sequence right after the takeaway. Most ams aren't starting it until they begin the downswing. ruclips.net/video/j6SkUz3bxUY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/4Y0YQvu-7mo/видео.html
Doesn’t the additional pressure to left side move hip center forward which contradicts one of your gears pga player in another of your vids... It’s important you don’t start to confuse the issue, hope I’m wrong! “Golf swing lateral motion”
Do you notice any correlation between physical ability (perhaps you did some screens to measure hip range of motion) of golfer and ability to be open? I’ve seen female golfers who usually have better mobility than men, able to get into a much more open position at impact...even the higher handicappers.
How much a player can open is definitely tied to their physical ability. But the biggest obstacle we see is how the club and body are oriented on the downswing. That's more the problem initially than physical limitations.
Guys, yall are the experts, no doubt. But I've watched literally thousands of elite swings in slow motion, and while the positions in your video are dead on, in my experience your sequence/timing is not. If I'm understanding, you're claiming the "pre-hit/loaded" position is achieved *prior* to the lower body/hips opening significantly. You say when the arms are "just below parallel" the hips should be "just starting to open." This is not at all what I see when I look at swings of touring pros. In fact, what has struck me as one of the few defining principles of world-class ball strikers is how 80%+ of their thru-swing rotation occurs well before the arms drop into the loaded position. In fact, I've noted for years how as the hands and club shaft get to and past impact, the rotation of the player's body has all but *completely* stopped. It's caused me to no longer believe that the best players "turn through impact." Instead, it's a case of tremendous clearing *before* impact, and there's a causal relationship, too. The hard clearing is *required* to create the lag or allow the hit to be "late." This seems to be the result of two main factors: 1) these are exceptionally gifted people/players; and 2) By controlling the backswing with their body pivot, rather than arms and hands, the "downswing" begins before the harms, hands, and club have reached "the top." In fact, it's precisely that initiation of the downswing that sets the critically-important angles to begin with and defines the necessary sequence. The hips *cannot* "wait" so late in the downswing as you demonstrate, because the larger muscles cannot move/rotate anywhere near fast enough to accommodate the speed of the release. After the hands drop into the the loaded position, the hips better be open already or it's just too late, because the clubhead is about to travel THREE FEET in a fraction of a second. During that same time, the hands will move about 6 inches, and the players zipper won't move at all. In fact, only by the lower body and lower torso being open can such astonishing torque be generated and tour-level clubhead speed even occur. The problem is that the vast majority of human beings do not possess the flexibility to achieve this without the shoulders spinning open with the body, which destroys all chance for good ball-striking. Sorry I rambled. RUclips comments are a terrible place to discuss things. lol
Keep in mind this is a drill. By nature are often not exact representations of the actual swing. We're aware of the amount of rotation and more importantly when it occurs as you mentioned. We've done a number of videos on the subject. But this drill does have a positive effect on several things that happen in an extremely short time frame in the real swing... that's why we like it.
In many cases when amateur golfers have poor rotation or if their hip is not opening up enough at impact position, it is highly likely they also have poor swing plane, over the top swing, casting and other issues. If your shoulder turn too early and have massive over the top swing, your arms might reach impact position before the hip reaches ideal impact position. When lot of golfers say they want to get their hips more "open" they have other issues that make it almost impossible for them to open their hips more without wiffing or hitting massive pulls. I would hate to see people trying to manufacture some positions instead of trying to learn to make it happen naturally.
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That stuff at 4:15 might be speaking to me. Telling me that I'm probably going to whiff it or or top it (or maybe shank it) actually gives me some hope. *And*, assuring me that doing the drill can get me past what my brain has been telling me can't possibly work is *also* most encouraging. Know what I'll be fiddling with tomorrow. . .
You guys have some great videos, and I thank you. This one has helped me more than any yet.
I have always had problems with "flipping" the wrists during the downswing and causing the clubhead to pass my hands before impact. This drill has virtually eliminated it within a short period of time. I've had a lot of trouble with fat and thin hits that really hurt my confidence and could never figure out exactly what would correct it.
This drill really helps you with distance, accuracy, and especially with being able to strike the ground at the same point swing after swing. The drill showed me that I wasn't getting on my left side early enough and my hips and shoulders weren't anywhere near as open at impact as I thought they were. I strongly recommend that anyone who is having inconsistent ball contact try working with this and you may see drastic improvement like I have. Good luck!
That's awesome! Thank you for sharing🙏
So spot on what you say at 4:25 I did almost miss the ball when I tried it because I'm so used to flipping and the club being "longer." I know this is one of those cliche phrases but I feel like I have to "stay down" on the ball so much more since I'm so used to standing up.
You're not alone in that, Dan, we see a lot of misses and tops the first time trying it.
Mike & Shaun, this is a game changer. Had a go today in a net and got lots of very different strikes (including shanks) but when you "get it", it's remarkable - almost simple, uncomplicated. I found that it's the hand position that's all important - getting them in front, almost ahead, of your core at impact was key to delivering the club face without excessive manipulation. It's going to take a lot of repetitions to trust it but I'm convinced it'll pay off. You could almost focus all students, from beginner up, on the this drill and it would "build out" so many other good behaviours.
Sounds like you completely "get" this one, Jonathan. Uncomplicated is exactly what it should feel like and what many of the best in the world feel. Keep at it!
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We're very appreciative of your time spent watching, Topbloke!
Waaaayyyy More. Like the entire amateur golf community
@@AthleticMotionGolfare you going to do some short game videos. I struggle with shanks in my chipping.
Guys this is absolutely fantastic! Very well explained. Hopefully the last piece of the swing puzzle to put into place.
Thank you guys soooo much!! Your videos have been tremendous at helping me improve my golf game.
Love hearing that, William, thanks so much for watching!
Good one guys! Figured this out a month or so ago and started doing it. Your absolutely right it's a bit messy at the start, but for those who are interested in trying it stick with it, it does get better IF you rep it. And rep it, and do it again. The brain is stubborn as heck when it comes to new movement patterns, but the myelin will eventually rewire the circuits and it gets better.
Thanks for sharing, Michael!
Excellent stuff. I've studied a lot of different instructors over the years. Every one of them, mostly, have added value to my understanding of what to strive for. What you guys are showing here really "marries" up well with some the better instruction I have viewed in the past. Lots of what you demonstrate here fits, for example, with what Wayne Defrancesco has been teaching (though he uses different words to express the same dynamics) as well as Russell Heritage and Bradley Hughes.
The hardest part of what you teach (that I have seen so far) is the concept of "falling" or shifting to the lead foot. That's because I was in my youth a chronic over-hip-slider-shifter toward the target. That led to getting very stuck which led to shots wiped way right or snap hooked (the dreaded two way miss).
So for me, it would be really great if you could point me to some of your vids that actually address "how much" to shift toward the lead foot without shifting too much. I find this exceptionally difficult to "calibrate." Whenever I try to employ the falling or shifting to the lead foot, I find my lead hip ends up blocking my ability to rotate to the left. Maybe it's all in my head. Or maybe it actually is a physical limitation. Please help me with this if you can.
Thanks again for your method of instruction, where you actually take the time to not just show us what a good swing looks like, but to also show us how to execute moves in sequence. Hogan used to say that you wouldn't explain to a young child who wanted to know how to open a door by explaining at length what the door looks like when it is opened. Instead, you would teach the child how to turn the handle. You guys are doing this really well. Keep up the great work.
Forget my earlier question. Pros have been trying to get me to turn my hips more for years but I never understood or was shown the preconditions so you can do it correctly. Tried your drill. Just left the range. This is fabulous.
Glad is helping, Dave! Thanks for watching. Let us know if we can do anything to help.
You guys are the best I’ve found in the massive amount of RUclips coaches I’ve watched over the last 12 months. One day hope to come see you guys for a in person lesson. I live in Tulsa OK so a little bit of a drive or flight to get to you. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much for watching our videos, Greg!
Our Shreveport location would be the closest to you😉
I tried this on the range and was very pleased with the outcome. With just over half a backswing I was only losing 30 yds with a 7 iron but all had good ball flight and direction. I'm tempted to play this way.
Love it!
Great info guys. My fault and many others, with getting more open at impact is - what is causing the hips to stall in the downswing leading into impact. This is a version of one of my favorite half swing drills to get that "tour open" at impact drills. The issue is there seems to be an endless list of counterproductive backswing and starting of the downswing faults that stalls the hips into impact. Ive used a variation of the drill with alignment stick in handle and using a tour striker which aligns with what your showing here. Seemingly an endless quest.
Nice, Mark. Your comments are right on point and why we thought it necessary to add the "pre-open" checklist. Without getting to the delivery phase with things in place, getting open just won't happen.
Where were you 40 years ago? This drill is a Game Changer for me. 8 stroke difference in my handicap. My “push” has been eliminated.
One of your very best video👍
This is nice drill for hitting a solid iron
Wow another fantastic video guys. Cant wait for the weather to clear to get out to practice this stuff you have been putting out recently. Thanks.!
Possibly a helpful added suggestion: set up in Sean’s preset “pro” position (shaft slightly more than half way down, weight forward, knees flexed, hips slightly opened and for me the club face closed). Now slide your right hand (for a right hand golfer) down the shaft toward the head and with only your middle finger holding the shaft, maintain this relationship as the hips rotate open and the club face returns to the ball. Because your right hand is significantly below the left and the middle finger is holding back the shaft, you can’t flip the club head and you maintain the proper side bend through impact and really opens those hips!
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Shaun is soo good, love this stuff! A prior video with the step drill he showed worked wonders! Thanks guys!
The best. Thanks for watching!
This is great. Can’t wait to hit 1000 reps into the net. Thanks guys!
Your comments at 5:23 ish is dead right on. That's what I'm experiencing. It's working and I'm hitting it way better but it's been a lot of work. Well worth it. Thanks
Awesome. Gonna give this a go. I recently bought a tittle.x device which is a sensor on club and focussed on ‘release’ and repeating that motion. I’m going to try and apply this knowledge later and see if I can affect the output on this sensor 🤞🤞
Another quality video, appreciate your work fellas. Would love to see an extension of this video on how the club face traces the circular swing arc, especially on the downswing and how I think most high handicappers have the club handle too far away and don't follow the swing arc at impact and the follow through.
Thanks, buddy! We've got one coming out today at 6pm EST that is on that very subject.😉
👍 Great thought and practice 👍
Great drill
These videos are absolutely amazing thank you so much
Thanks for watching and the kind words, MrJosh!
I was playing this feel today and was really happy with the contact. Strangely it felt like I couldn’t generate as much power.
Let me say how I really love all your content! It really helps to understand the correct intent and work towards building something solid. Thanks!!
Great instruction. Please include down the line camera angles with your drills. Shows more concept at least for me of what your teaching. Thanks!!!
That shouldn't be hard to do👍
Superb stuff
Request a video to address the role of tempo in the golf swing and the role of momentum changes (at transistion) in loading.
Thanks.
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Gentlemen, I love your videos and analysis, this latest one being no exception. You indicate here that the arms and club need to be positioned into the delivery zone before rotating through impact. Other instructors preach that rotation is what brings the club into impact and that a player shouldn't try to move the club into position. What does Gear show that the pros actually do during the downswing? Blend arm and body movement or just rotate. Thanks and keep your videos coming.
It's absolutely a blend of the arms and body. The player may feel a bias towards one or the other, but the reality of what happens is pretty clear. Great question.
You noted exactly what I've been suffering from. I'm going through a swing change and I've been struggling with this move of rotation and opening. No matter how slow or repetitious I do this drill my body can't feel it, the video of myself looks wrong, and my brain can't figure it out. Then after multiple sessions of trying to complete this drill, I just stop trying and then don't pick up the club again for weeks....which only compounds the difficulty in training and learning. I'm totally perplexed and frustrated.
The reason slow is key with this at first is because it allows you to be hyper-aware of where your body/club are. No doubt you think you're going slow, but it's probably not slow enough if you're not sure what's happening. Then are you clear on where you should be at impact? Awareness and where you're trying to get to are the keys with this one.
Great stuff guys, as always thank you!
Thanks buddy!
Love this video guys, thank you
Thanks for watching, Michael!
Is it just me, or every video does any flinch thinking he's going to ding one of those TVs? lol. Love the content! So informative.
Not just you, lol. I think contact is made in a later video😬
Love the drill. Can I apply this drill to the driver swing? I always struggle with how I swing irons vs how I swing driver.
The position you are showing at 4:48 look so much like a slapshot in hockey... I'll have to try this drill tomorrow
Lots of similarities for sure
Would love to see a video with different ways (feels and techniques) to get open. I have a right (trail) knee issue but only way I can get really open is twist my right leg hard which aggravates the knee.
Why are you trying to get really open? Do you know how open you are without trying to do that?
@@AthleticMotionGolf sorry a poor choice of words... I meant actually get open after trying different feels or methods.
I have never had a stock ball flight (only hit it straight and miss both ways) and after several lesson lost the ability to hit it low ( he told me I do everything right just too much and tried to slow my body down, also lost clubhead speed as a result). Being in Australia deal with wind a lot. Hoping to get open and stabilize the club to work on a consistent stock shot and get from 6 down to 2. Footage of my swing post lessons of those days has very square at impact hips and no shaft lean but not flippy. Plan on doing some online lessons with you n the near future.
Thanks, i have to do this.
Hey guys! Been working on this drill since my last swing review but as you said in this video: "It's going to be ugly!". I top the ball, shank it, have no hip rotation, standing up, etc. I just realized that I have no idea what to do from P6 to impact and how to release the club :( Could you do a video explaining in detail how to release the club from P6 to be able to do this drill and in another part showing us what are the common mistakes you see (standing up, holding the lag, no supination, no hip rotation, etc) and how to fix it? Like what you talk at 4:38 in this video. Thanks a lot!
Yes we can👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf And I bet you did. Got a URL?
Great video as usual guys. Quick RELATED QUESTION......I had asked in a question to another one of your videos, how REALLY IS IT, that the hands actually drop to that waist/hip high delivery position from the top.......your response, if I recall correctly, was that it was more related to the left shoulder (and maybe left hip ), staying low a lot longer than I was likely aware of, or used to......do I have that right? I'm trying to connect the dots to this next phase of the downswing in this video. Thanks again.
Yessir👍
I have been classic handle dragger for way too long! I am starting my work on this particular topic and seeing some positive results. However, I noticed I tend to thin my short irons and wedges. Is it possible you can make a video about using this approach while hitting club that may require a slightly steeper angle of attack?
When doing this drill and maintaining good posture, I feel I have to have a totally different release or hand pattern. Maybe that's why I've hit thin for many years.
Should the pressure in the lead foot (in the transition) start in the toe area to start to push the lead hip back to have your hips open more natually using those ground forces?
The toe can be a dangerous thought for many golfers... how bout thinking ball of foot or mid foot instead😉
Great video as ever guys i love your stuff but you gotta tell me where can i get one of those caps?! Look awesome!
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Just come across your site, my question is as I shift to my left I open the club face open if I don't shift it states square please help.
This is the Alex Noren drill, correct?
So, this is beautiful, but...what about the driver? I tend to hot ot way too low. How do you use this drill with the Driver and still hit up on the ball? Thanks.
Meant to say "hit it..."
Would you say not to many people realize that coming into impact you have to be internally rotating 'into' the lead hip socket against a posting lead leg as that is the motion that 'clears' the lower body?
Think too many people still think that the whole hip structure the pelvic girdle moves as one 'whole unit' & that it 'opens' or 'rotates open' all together. When after the delivery position, that p6 illustrated in the video, where both hip sockets are momentarily both externally rotated, from there the motion of both hip sockets is to be moving into being internally rotated into & through impact ?
Thanks guys watch a lot of your videos and what your teaching really works Thanks keep bringing us more great stuff.
Actually worked with one of our pros yesterday on that very thing - getting more of a firm posted lead leg coming into delivery. A soft or saggy lead leg makes rotation very difficult for sure. Good post.
is it the same motion with the driver??? Thanx
Dan Bartlett yes but you’ll have a much easier time doing this drill with a short to mid iron👍
I’ve always had left wrist rotation into impact, or a roll release. Does this drill supposed to have a more square release through impact, I’ve tried the drill and it feels like I tend to make good contact when I allow my trail arm to almost push or go into full extension into impact. So I’m not sure if that is correct or not either. And how are we supposed to drop into this position from a film swing?
Gradually start adding more and more motion to the backswing part of the drill. Yes, the release you're hitting it the best with is probably the best release for you😉
Please guys I know it may be difficult but could you do a standard bunker shot
Done! Check out the standard bunker shot video we just posted👍😉 ruclips.net/video/B99Tu4gYQCM/видео.html
Yup. Started out UGLY!!! But, just watching this video along with a lot of practice swings in front of a mirror my impact position is improving AND I'm getting a better release!
One old mantra is start the downswing from bottom to top. Not sure if this is exactly correct but as humans we're obviously very arms/hands/fingers dominant. Very hard not to start downswing with the arms which can lead to throwing the club. Do you guys have a simple order of sequence. Something that we amateurs can have as a simple swing thought?
Love this question. The best visual of sequence would be in our "How To Stop Sliding" videos which I'll link to at the bottom. If that's done, you'll be encouraged to really get the arms and club going. The problem is that most golfers try the "ground up" stuff once they reach the top of the swing... that's too late. There just isn't enough time to get everything done in that tidy little sequence we here so much about. One of the big differences with the pros and ams is that the pros are starting the ground part of their sequence right after the takeaway. Most ams aren't starting it until they begin the downswing.
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Doesn’t the additional pressure to left side move hip center forward which contradicts one of your gears pga player in another of your vids... It’s important you don’t start to confuse the issue, hope I’m wrong! “Golf swing lateral motion”
I can't think of a time where we've said (or shown) the hip center or pressure not moving forward.
Do you notice any correlation between physical ability (perhaps you did some screens to measure hip range of motion) of golfer and ability to be open? I’ve seen female golfers who usually have better mobility than men, able to get into a much more open position at impact...even the higher handicappers.
How much a player can open is definitely tied to their physical ability. But the biggest obstacle we see is how the club and body are oriented on the downswing. That's more the problem initially than physical limitations.
Guys, yall are the experts, no doubt. But I've watched literally thousands of elite swings in slow motion, and while the positions in your video are dead on, in my experience your sequence/timing is not. If I'm understanding, you're claiming the "pre-hit/loaded" position is achieved *prior* to the lower body/hips opening significantly. You say when the arms are "just below parallel" the hips should be "just starting to open." This is not at all what I see when I look at swings of touring pros. In fact, what has struck me as one of the few defining principles of world-class ball strikers is how 80%+ of their thru-swing rotation occurs well before the arms drop into the loaded position. In fact, I've noted for years how as the hands and club shaft get to and past impact, the rotation of the player's body has all but *completely* stopped. It's caused me to no longer believe that the best players "turn through impact." Instead, it's a case of tremendous clearing *before* impact, and there's a causal relationship, too. The hard clearing is *required* to create the lag or allow the hit to be "late." This seems to be the result of two main factors: 1) these are exceptionally gifted people/players; and 2) By controlling the backswing with their body pivot, rather than arms and hands, the "downswing" begins before the harms, hands, and club have reached "the top." In fact, it's precisely that initiation of the downswing that sets the critically-important angles to begin with and defines the necessary sequence. The hips *cannot* "wait" so late in the downswing as you demonstrate, because the larger muscles cannot move/rotate anywhere near fast enough to accommodate the speed of the release. After the hands drop into the the loaded position, the hips better be open already or it's just too late, because the clubhead is about to travel THREE FEET in a fraction of a second. During that same time, the hands will move about 6 inches, and the players zipper won't move at all. In fact, only by the lower body and lower torso being open can such astonishing torque be generated and tour-level clubhead speed even occur. The problem is that the vast majority of human beings do not possess the flexibility to achieve this without the shoulders spinning open with the body, which destroys all chance for good ball-striking. Sorry I rambled. RUclips comments are a terrible place to discuss things. lol
Keep in mind this is a drill. By nature are often not exact representations of the actual swing. We're aware of the amount of rotation and more importantly when it occurs as you mentioned. We've done a number of videos on the subject. But this drill does have a positive effect on several things that happen in an extremely short time frame in the real swing... that's why we like it.
In many cases when amateur golfers have poor rotation or if their hip is not opening up enough at impact position, it is highly likely they also have poor swing plane, over the top swing, casting and other issues. If your shoulder turn too early and have massive over the top swing, your arms might reach impact position before the hip reaches ideal impact position. When lot of golfers say they want to get their hips more "open" they have other issues that make it almost impossible for them to open their hips more without wiffing or hitting massive pulls. I would hate to see people trying to manufacture some positions instead of trying to learn to make it happen naturally.
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