Flat Earther: "Give me the evidence and I'll believe you." Normal Person: "Here's some evidence, here's how I collected it and where I collected it, this is the time of day it was collected." Flat Earther: "Please, that's obviously fake." Normal Person: "Well, you could recreate what I did and see if you get the same results." Flat Earther: "Nice try, shill! I won't fall for your lies!" There's no winning with these people.
@@Truth_Apologetics "top flat earthers" have exactly the same amount of evidence for their ideas and exactly the same amount of thinking put into their flat models as the "mediocre flat earthers" and "bottom flat earthers". Which is zero.
an actual argument from Fight The Flat Earth channel a few days ago : Flerf: show measurements of size of earth. FTFE: Here you are. Shows evidence. Flerf: I want measurements. FTFE: ok, here are actual measurements. shows actual measurements. flerf: those are written on paper. I want actual measurements. FTFE: wot ?? flerf: i dont want measurements on paper; i want actual measurements.
As a radio ham, I frequently use the ISS’ repeater, as do many other radio hams. The ISS only comes into range for a few minutes and is pretty much where it’s expected. During that time, I can receive and transmit (via the ISS) to people well outside normal line of sight range. Strange that I (and many others) should be able to do that if the ISS doesn’t exist.
In theory, if the flat earthers were right, you wouldn’t *need* the ISS to do that. It would just be a question of having a powerful enough transmitting antenna. The fact that you can _only_ do it when the ISS is in range is pretty strong evidence that earth isn’t flat.
Yes, and I’ve seen countless schools getting a ham radio to let the kids actually TALK to the astronauts there. They even have their own callsign. It’s amazing
@@clebsgaming92 woah that sounds insanely cool. "Honey, how was your day at school?" "Mom, I talked to the astronauts on the ISS!" I have never done anything as cool, let alone at school... If only.
I don't know much about Ham radios. You can reach to the ISS when it's 240 miles up? How far on land can you reach out with that same band? Do you just talk to the astronauts or do they relay the signal out farther. So the ISS how far can you reach with that relay?
One of the most difficult things for human beings to do is admit that they were wrong. One of the most commendable things a human can do is to accept the truth.
So true. As soon as I became as humble as possible after reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People” it changed my life. I can attribute all success I’ve had to that moment, not to mention I’ve learned so much since my mind has stayed open since then. People will respect someone soooo much more when they are willing to be wrong and own it. It’s a very hard lesson for people to learn and some people never do. If they can bring themselves to drop the ego though, they will see immediate results in life and go so much further. Imagine if all of humanity did this, we would be many times further in our research and knowledge if so.
if you give anything to flat earthers they will say either its 'faked' or its 'government lies' ultimately its impossible to win an argument with them because they fail to accept the truth
I don't know why people keep spreading blurbs like this, people feel a sense of superiority to others who admitted they were wrong, not a sense of respect. That's my observation
@@techmedia1360 Yes, there are people who act like that. If you're around that crowd, get them out of your life, or if you work at an organization that has this mentality, then leave it. Anyone who can't respect someone else's authenticity and humbleness is just a POS themselves. We never get anywhere by always being criticized...and organizations that are filled with people who don't take any responsibility don't flourish. I've worked at both.
Having a flat eather say they consider a flat earth debunker to be trustworthy is a testament to how well put together and respectful these videos are.
It's easy for flat earthers to *_say_* it. They probably thought that Dave wouldn't put in the time or effort to _actually do_ it though because flat earthers _almost_ never accept evidence that runs counter to their belief. I think there are only two flat earthers that have done so publicly. Ranty indicates that his change of position was due to the evidence presented being geographically local so he could confirm it for himself. I don't know the story for the other one. If there are other former flat earthers that have changed their minds, they have do so by silently disappearing.
@@fredoverflow I think, but could be mistaken, that it was a picture of Blackpool tower with the terrain behind it. Ranty knew there was a town on the shore that should have appeared across the water at the base of the mountains but the town was obviously not in the image. I think Ranty goes over it in detail in one of his earlier videos on his debunking channel, Auditing the Absurd. If it isn't there, it may be among Conspiracy Catz videos because it was Conspiracy Catz who walked Ranty through the image and why it shows the Earth isn't flat.
i hate that we have reached a point where we all agreed that that we should do is doing the work for other people so we can convince them of the things they could easily find out by doing the work themselves.
@@AVI-lh6rm not to mention that all this effort is wasted, as they do not care about facts and reason, they just want to believe and for those beliefs to make them somehow "special". They're just sad primitive little nobodies who crave for attention, so we should not give them what they want. We must mock them instead and make them feel ostracised and hated.
@@garyblake9665 This is how we are silenced. The silly bs is mixed with serious events. Everything is equally dumb "they" say. The murder of JFK is basically flat earth now. 😅 We have video evidence of him getting shot in the forhead, this is worth as much as a working flat earth model measured in conspiracy currency
@@PWEIcom What about the thousands of other satellite's we track / observe or the observed re-entry of orbital vehicle's or the ISS amateur radio station that emanates from ISS anyone can link to , not forgetting complexity's of projecting holograms worldwide undetected
"pokey"'s response is exactly what I would expect from a flat-earther: if the image isn't perfect, then it's "obviously not the ISS", but if it IS perfect, then it's "too perfect to be real". Any reasonable person would concede, but these are not reasonable people. But I sure appreciate your effort, Dave McKeegan.
in the flat earth paradigm, truth is determined entirely by how loud you shout. Since that is how they all behave, they expect everyone else to do exactly the same. they cannot comprehend that there exists a process by which you can collect evidence about ... anything.
@@victorfinberg8595 It was NEVER about the flat Earth, they couldn't care less. It's about their ego, and pissing against the wind to be a "rebel" without a good cause
I mean, if he's sincere in his beliefs, he might expect a photographer to be unable to take a photograph of a thing that doesn't exist. And I don't know what he gets out of claiming to believe this if he doesn't actually believe it. What does amaze me is that he was willing to, before the photo was taken, agree that Dave McKeegan is trustworthy enough that he wouldn't accuse Dave of making fake photos if Dave showed him photos of the ISS that Dave says he, himself, took.
There was a point in my life when I was younger when I went out of my way to prove the _"pokies"_ of the world that they were wrong, but I just reached a point where it didn't seem to matter.
@@nicolec7290 @nicolec7290 Even before the online FE craze was a thing, I was interested in celestial navigation while sailing my boat 10,000 miles around the top of Australia. Every night I watched the stars and moon for almost a year. Never once was there any indication the earth was anything other than a globe. It is precisely as you would think.
Dave, all you need to do is ask a local Ham Radio operator. There's a repeater on the ISS which takes an up-link radio signal and sends it back down on another frequency. If the ISS wasn't there, a directional tracking antenna pointed out into space would not have a signal re-transmitted on the down-link. It would just go off out into space. Well done on the photography!
They would just say the radio stations are in on it and that they fake a return signal. There’s no proving anything to these people. You could send Pokie to the ISS and make him a believer, but everyone who thinks the same as him would write him off as a paid shill lying about his experience with fake video. A true exercise in futility.
And if you had a Christmas dinner worth of hams spaced far enough apart and working together you could triangulate its position and track its movement. Of course, the flat Earth thing was disproven thousands of years ago by the ancient Greeks by putting two sticks in the sand at the tide line at the same time on the same day but some types are slow to catch on to easily reproducible experiments. I really just came here for the Christmas Hams.
The problem with debating conspiracy theories is that the theorists can make up explanations for your evidence as they go, and they don't even care if the explanations are mutually inconsistent and impossible. It's turtles all the way down, and the turtles are made of crazy.
In the fall of 1957, when I was a little boy, my dad took us out in the yard one night (it was a country town with almost no light pollution) to see an amazing thing. He explained that the Russians had shot a tiny artificial moon into space that was circling the Earth. And we would see it soon. So we waited - and sure enough, in a little while a tiny bright point, like a star, suddenly appeared in the middle of the sky and slowly moved towards the horizon. He explained that it had been in Earth's shadow, then came out into the sunlight, and we were seeing the sun reflected off of it's surface. So that was before NASA, before CGI, before computers were made with transistors. And it was done by the Russians, not the evil American government which wants to fool us all about the nature of the cosmos for some reason. It was tiny - 58 cm in diameter, but against the black sky it was a bright point that anyone with normal vision could see as it orbited. Dad had already showed us how the moon changes every day, and how the shadow of the Earth on the moon is always a crescent, no matter what part of the sky it's in, because the Earth is a giant ball. And when we'd gone to the beach, we'd watched big ships move out to sea, slowly disappearing from the bottom up, and he'd explained the horizon to us. It was clear to me, at 6 years old, that we live on a giant sphere - and I wasn't just believing what my dad had told me, I'd seen the evidence.
That reminds me of my youth. I was not quite as young as 6 though. At 5 yo I wondered what if Earth were a flat rectangle like the world atlas pulled down over the chalkboard when in kindie. And IF that were the case, then how come I could not see the nearby city if Earth were flat. Yea I had also seen a globe of Earth, but I was young and fanciful and wondered what if the stories of Columbus were true and he was trying to prove you would not fall off. So I did lots of observations, starting with the Sun, tracking it etc. And tons of other observations, some simple experiments and tons more observations. After several years, think I was around 8, I came to realization that no matter how hard I tried or how far up a tree I could get, I would never see the nearby city from my house because Earth was not a flat rectangle. Because Earth was clearly a sphere. I had seen the evidence, lots of it. Again yes I sort of already knew or at least been told this, but as I said I was young with a vivid imagination. I had even traced the analemma, although at that age I had no clue what it was called or precisely why. Was not until later in middle school that I learned that.
I think the most important point is that this experiment is highly repeatable, without *too* much investment. High end camera equipment and telephoto lens can be rented. You technically don't even need that, if you just want to prove it to yourself (flerfers love first-hand experience), just a pair of binoculars and some patience would suffice.
All true, and unfortunately irrelevant for flattards. They all refuse to actually do science. Whenever they do try science and the result contradicts their theories, they'll claim some fault in their setup. Flattards are the original village idiots. You could send them to space and they'd still claim it's all fake.
My sons and I saw the ISS fly over our small town some years ago. We gotten up early in hopes of getting a glimpse. We not only saw it moving overhead with the sun rising in the east, we also saw the departure of the space shuttle separating from the ISS and moving off to the south east. We realize we were fortunate to see that precise moment. Wish I had my phone camera trained on the ski at that moment.
@@mikewilson8513 i saw the two solar pannel arrays on either side of it with my Celestron 90az telescope with a cellphone camera attatched that i got for 100 or so bucks! With enough practice tracking it and the right shutter speed jts not too hard to do
I’ve had a super unique experience where I was looking at Jupiter and Saturn in the same field of view with a large cardboard dobsonian/manual telescope (when they were super close a year or two ago). I was looking in and out of the eyepiece over the course of a minute, and just by sheer random chance, I saw something transit right between the planets quite quickly. I looked at the sky and saw a light passing across. My instinct told me that it was the ISS (based on the speed it was going, which I had witnessed a few times before). I managed to manually track it with my scope (which was quite difficult), and sure enough I could just make out the distinct shape and trusses. Just to confirm, I got out the SkyView app to see what it was, and it confirmed that it was the ISS. I couldn’t believe it. Absolutely no planning. All I wanted to look at were the planets close together. And to somehow witness a transit BETWEEN Saturn and Jupiter, from my specific location in Australia, at some random time of night. I had only been outside looking for a minute or two. Two seconds before or after and I would have missed it. What are the chances…. Just crazy… definitely a special moment.
If you are below it's orbital inclination in latitude, which is 51.6 degrees at present, it is guaranteed to pass within at most 5.625 degrees of longitude from you. That is a worst case scenario of passing 300 miles east of you, then 300 miles west of you, at the equator. It's worst case distance from you will shrink as you more in latitude away from the equator. Most days it will be something like 200 close 400 far approach though, rather than perfectly bracketing you, and you very likely could see it above the horizon every day. Remember, it's 250 miles up, so even the worst case 300 is still well within your horizon, and it will only be 390 miles away from you. It's just a question of can you see through that much atmosphere, and is it lit right for whatever timing it had for you that 24 hour period.
@@ASDeckard Oh, yes, of course. Definitely not hard to spot the ISS in general. I think I was just shocked that I had managed to see it transit between the planets. This was during the ‘Great Conjunction’ of December 2020. Saturn and Jupiter were only a fifth of the moon’s diameter apart when I was looking, and the fact that the ISS had transited between them (out of the whole night sky and without planning) was just sheer luck. If someone had planned to witness this, they most likely would have had to travel somewhere fairly close to my location. Always fun to see the ISS either way, and give the astronauts a wave, haha.
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
I love that you had the idea of using a second camera to film the first camera and show no trickery is going on. I've had thought of different ideas how to take pictures of Earth, let's say we put a camera on a small rocket, and I always thought "What if they say it's fake?" You'll need a second camera to show the first camera, and maybe even a third camera to film the first and second, maybe even arange them in a way, that the second and third camera film each other.
And even then they'd even say its still fake through all that, and if they went up into space on their own they'd go like "Space isn't real Ill open his airlock and-" dead. Cause thats how these people think, atleast one i know.
@@bluenightfury4365 yes you needed a third camera to film the other two and then have a 4th and so on and so on... how many you think pokie needs to be convinced?
It's literally wild. I went on to NASA's website and looked when the ISS would be visible. I went outside and saw it with my naked eye moving like no plane has ever moved. All it would take is one cheap ass telescope to see the detail. It's truly amazing how little effort it takes to verify that this exists and to verify how far from the ground it must be using math. But I suppose when you are intentionally trying to mislead yourself, tiny effort becomes imposible
Yh ive seen it randomly one day and searched where it was at that time and realised I saw the iss with my naked eye 😂 these people that claim everything is fake is funny
@@jaredloveys9617considering I try to keep a eye out for it every time I'm out (and a friend made a habit of using a star app when I point out planets) yeah you can see it alot Strangest experience was a UFO i thought was the space station My friend thought it was a plane but their was no green or red lights And then it started moving in different directions sometimes erratically Wish I had my binoculars It was also up their longer then a drone .... that experience was pretty surreal And before people forget .... UFO Unidentified flying object .... we had no clue what it was
One day I got home after dark, turned around and caught a bright light moving quickly across the sky, not unlike satellites I've seen before, though far brighter. At first I had no idea what I was looking at, but then it twigged that it was in a southerly direction and looked like a satellite, so it might just be the ISS. I simply went inside, looked up the ISS tracker, and lo and behold, it'd just passed south of me like a 100km away. That was such a cool thing to see and then be able to look up straight away.
I recall someone asking me if I could photograph the moon with my camera. An ordinary single-lens reflex camera using colour film. I said yes, he laughed. I of course said 'what would convince you?' Which usually shuts up those unable to think, or as in this case, he'd backtrack, but he wanted me to do it and fail, that kind of guy. So we met up (a good sign), and I talked him through it. On an airfield at night, a tripod, ordinary SLR camera, two extension tubes, and a mundane 400mm lens normally used to take pictures of aircraft in flight at airshows, we looked for and found the nearly-full moon, I set up, invited him to look through the viewfinder. 'It's actually moving' He said. 'Yep, the Earth turns, the Moon moves as well, it adds up to visible movement, but normally it's like the hands of a clock, let time pass, and you'll notice it's moved'. 'Uhh...' He looked almost convinced, so I said 'look at it again'. The moon was half out-of-shot. 'Undo this, turn the camera until the moon's in the centre of shot, set exposure for a sunny day...' 'At night?' 'You are looking at a brightly-lit object, over to the left side it's in dark, it's own shadow, like we are at the moment, see how the two line up?' Then we took a picture. Two days later I had been able to process the neg and make a print for him. A six-by-four with the moon in the centre of shot and showing bright and dark areas. - and one bright spot like a crater. He was happy. That was in the 1980s. I fear today his equivalent would brain me with my tripod and run away screaming and hide in a cave.
I wonder what was in his brain. Why wouldn't you be able to make a photograph of something that is obviously visible and does not even move fast. I mean it is easier to photo the Moon than a flying plane.
Nicely done for a first time attempt! One thing to mention is that the ISS photo you showed 10:00 is not the ISS as it appears today because you can see the European ATV-X resupply ship docked to the far end of the russian segment (X-wing looking cylinder) and JAXA's H-II (HTV) resupply ship docked to the zenith port of the Harmony module (gold looking cylinder) - both ships are since retired, and the ISS solar arrays are missing the iROSA upgrades. But what you can make out in your transit pic is that bright white dot at the very tip of the US segment which is the Space X Crew Dragon that carried Crew 6 to the ISS and is currently docked to the forward docking port of the Harmony module so that's really cool. One thing ISS hoaxers don't seem to understand is that the station is constantly changing with new vehicles docking/departing, being retired, new upgrades like the iROSA solar arrays that NASA just had a spacewalk they livestreamed installing ruclips.net/video/wS4z42KaeGk/видео.html (and the next one is tomorrow - ruclips.net/video/yekfGi-JF0g/видео.html) and of course the upcoming Axiom Space commercial modules The hoaxer mind sees it as static, fake, but in reality its a dynamic constantly changing platform and all those changes are livestreamed, recorded, photographed and documented heavily (every new supply or crew ship, every new module, every iROSA install) and likewise instantly appear in any photo taken of the station from the ground by anyone. And also NASA is freaking livestreaming it 24/7 from two different perspectives so, you can easily verify the land its flying over, and any activities happening like ships docking and departing ruclips.net/video/KG6SL6Mf7ak/видео.html ruclips.net/video/xAieE-QtOeM/видео.html To deny the existence and regular operations of the ISS at this point is to basically deny reality, like I cannot even fathom it.
Flattards have become how they are because one or more of the FE priests has captured them by getting them to believe that they have been lied to all their lives, that "the Government" and all its agencies want to control their minds somehow, and that in order to escape this "control" they need to listen only to their priests. All efforts to educate them fail as they can't get past the irrational belief that they are, yet again, being lied to by "the Government", or by people who have bought the Government lies. If this sounds like yet another religious cult, run by priests whose control of their devotees' minds is strong, there is little or no difference. Dave can offer his information as neutrally and reasonably as he likes, but he will never penetrate the hard shell of resistance. Mind you, he might already know this, which means his comments and vids will be aimed at the fence sitters who may be tempted to dive into the rabbit holes that are flat Earth/Moon landing denial/911 denial/antivaxx, etc.
Sadly I'm not surprised. We have tons of people denying Homo Sapiens have two sexes. People will believe any damn fool thing they want to and dig in against any and all proof otherwise.
I once filmed the ISS by accident. I was testing a 300mm Tamron lens and 1.4x teleconverter by filming the moon and when reviewing the video I noticed this object moving across the frame in front of the moon. I was annoyed that this thing had ruined my footage but it turned out to be the ISS.
@@wizardsuth Even though that was sarcasm, there is some truth to that statement. There is so many satellites in LEO now that astronomers are complaining that it is hard to do a long exposure without getting a streak across the photo from a satellite.
The problem lies in the statement "conspiracy theorist promises to concede" Most people into conspiracy theories have a sort of built in denial that sorts out anything even vaguely threatening to their worldview. When faced with threatening facts, they turn to avoidant behavior and at times angry, unreasoned gainsaying. It is like a personality type that ends up getting drawn into that stuff. I think a degree of self-referential narcissism is a prerequisite since most conspiracy theorist exhibit very poor capacity for critical thinking of course that comes with the territory.
Unfortunately, it is estimated that 11% of the worlds people have schizophrenia, much of it untreated Combine that with the safety and anonymity of utube, and you have explained much of the FE phenom. (Whereas these used to stand on streetcorners and yell at the moon) Also, there is the related issue of drug use to be considered
Even the poorest conspiracy theorist is closer to the truth than you sir even if they can sometimes overshoot. The world is a mess and controlled governments are in charge pretending to be looking after your interests. If you still think they are just doing a bad job it doesn't say good things about you as an adult at this stage. Your blather is cringeworthy to read for those in the know.
About a year and a half ago (as I was walking to my car to go to work), I saw a point of light streaking across the sky in a smooth, south-easterly trajectory. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but when I got to work, I went online to see if the ISS flight pattern went over my area. Lo and behold, it did at approximately the same time I saw it earlier in the morning. So, it is visible to the naked eye in the right conditions. 👍
Yeah, a few years ago, my wife & I were out walking and we noticed a fast-moving light and wondered out loud what it was. A neighbor walking behind us informed us that it was ISS--he had been tracking it for a while online and that day was an ideal day to see it for our location. It was a nice "ya had to be there" moment.
i have seen the ISS in person too and i always just thought of it as a flying football field. Mostly because they are around the same size and it just shows how massive it just is. I don't know how anyone could even dought it's existance.
Flat earth arguments aside - the fact that this is possible and that you managed to get that clear of an image is an achievement in it's own right! Awesome job!
@@ThaBeatConductordid you miss the entire segment of the video where he explained exactly why getting a photo is a lot harder than just spotting it by eye?
Dave: "I was able to take a few of the photos and merge them in Photoshop." Conspiracy theorists: "Aha! I knew all of those pictures were photoshopped!"
@@TheCaptainSlappysee you know nothing about photography. If you don't do post processing you're just fucking around, and that isn't the point when you have nice camera equipment.
Because we’re not. Everything that was supposed to be a “conspiracy theory” turned out to be true. It’s your willingness to just put the popular attitude on something and call it facts without doing any real research of your own. It’s called a “hive mind” I’m sitting here right now watching a movie called “Life” it’s about an alien microbe aboard the ISS. Do you really think that this man actually debunked anything because if I wasn’t aware of the facts like you, I’d think that “Jake Gyllenhaal” was aboard the ISS flying around in outer space. I’m called crazy because I’m the guy running in the opposite direction of all the ones heading straight off a cliff.
It depends. I once came across Moon landing conspiracy. It seemed believable. But then I met three arguments for Moon landing is real: (1) USSR captured the transmission from the Moon, not Hollywood (in the midst of the Cold War they would not support the US claims would those be fake). (2) Moon stones (shippedto the USSR) have multiple holes from micrometheoriths. This is hard to fake. (3) There are reflectors on the Moon placed by Apollo missions. Astronomers all over the world use those to measure the distance to the Moon. Just go to a department of Astronomy during the visitor day: they can show it working. So, the no landing conspiracy was busted.
Neither will a crazy conspiracy DENIER!!!!!!! You gladly surrendered you critical thinking, and now you are mindless automatons who are helpless to defend yourself against those who CONSPIRE AGAINST YOU because you'll never see it coming!!!! Now you don't have the capacity to see impending dangers such as oncoming traffic! GOOD LUCK!!!!!
Worked in a machine shop all my life. In the 90s there was 11:47 a big push for ISS parts, we made many. Doesn't prove it's up there but it's very cool feeling knowing that parts I planned how to manufacturer, wrote the cnc program, set-up the machine, ran and deburred are up there orbiting the Earth. I know some were for the mobile transporter which was a tolley that went out a arm to retrieve items off the space shuttle.
There must be many people like you that have worked on various components for nasa over the decades. Then you have thousands more that work at the agency with planning and operating all the different missions. It is so insulting to you and the others to dismiss and challenge your integrity. It makes me angry. I’m sure there are a number of reasons why wackos believe in these conspiracy’s. I really don’t care what they believe, but when they accuse hard working people of being dishonest, that is a whole other thing.
@@udinsalam4751He admitted that the ISS exists (then immediately snuggled into claims that he used his superior intellect to trick Dave into doing the video--but let him save face if he's willing to concede his original point)
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
Mobile YT shows only one comment under the video unless you open the comments. And this was the one shown - perfect placement 😄 Because we all know it will be proven right.
In essence, he did, he has refused to say that the ISS is actually up there orbiting the earth. Here I was, really praying for a redemption arc. I'll never understand people who must always think one way even in the face of new evidence.
08/10/2023 Hello Mckeegan. My grandson and I saw the fly over ten or more years ago. We were camping in a big pasture with a big group of families and other campers in a wide open pasture, about 50 acres or more. We saw the Iss pass overhead in the dark. From out of sight to full shinny and until it darkened from the sun. Some said that it was an airplane but it was so high and bright that we decided it could not be airplane.We were all watching in amazement as it flew over. We talked for hours after. I have never seen this rare sight again but I did see the iss with my standard vision. No one had more than binoculars. Best clear night. The worst camp out with the same group was only 2 miles from a confirmed tornado. That was a strange night. We still mention that night occasionally. I did see it. Don't believe me just get on line for the flight path over the usa and wait for it to pass again on some clear night sky. It passes often overhead. Very cool. Don
In accepting a challenge to help someone better understand the world we live in, you were given a photographic achievement. Nicely done! I'd be proud of that pic and all the prep that went into it.
Only a simpleton thinks recording a weather module in earths none get out of atmosphere proves a ball LOL... now show us 8 inch squared curve that cant be found ... REAL PROOF ... how gullible are you people that all it takes for you to believe is a photo ...... yet you ignore all photos proving earth is flat ... photos in abundance of objects you can see that according to your fairy tale should be thousands of feet behind imaginary curvature.......
These conspiracy theories are not based on facts so dispelling them with facts is impossible. I’d interpret Pokies comments as ‘I do not think you’ve got what you think you have”. It was gracious of him to acknowledge that there was ‘no trickery’ just misinterpretation of the event.
@@briantomcollins He's really addressing normal folk, who like how he does things like this. That flattard dumbasses have trouble believing the results is of no great consequence to him. Sometimes I suspect that Dave is using the Socratic method of using a person to question the obvious, thus allowing him to address the objections, thereby educating folk who are not only interested in the topic, but also accept the findings.
I photographed the ISS with my 10" Dob and a DSLR on video mode. I tracked it manually across the sky and got a few really nice frames. It's not that hard. Pokie could do it himself if he really wanted to, but of course he won't.
They don't actually want to conduct experiments or read or learn anything. They want to preach from their cozy computer chair about how much smarter they are than everyone else. So, of course, anything that could possibly contradict their view of self-superiority can not and will not be accepted under any circumstance.
@@alittlebitgone "they are saying something is not possible despite hundreds of people doing it every single night." Welcome to the illogical world of conspiracy theories.
I'm gonna say he won't concede. They never do no matter how stupid their points are or how clear the evidence is against them. See ol Bob's "15 degrees per hour drift" nonsense, and all the "buts" and "explanations" he and his crew gave in the wake of that little gaff.
I forget his name but FTFE had a guy on who conceded and rejected flat earth. Now he has a great RUclips channel where he fishes dirt on flat earthers. It’s great
You could put these doubters on a rocket and send them there and they'd accuse you of hypnotising them or putting them in some sort of simulator. Part of me thinks that they are just winding us rational people up. Great episode by the way!
@@alvin2021 Ya, especially the ones that devote their lives to it, with a flat Earth youtube channel. Admitting the ISS is real, means all of what they were pushing for years was 🐄💩.
I agree that a significant number of "flat earthers" don't actually believe it is flat, but crave the attention their claims get like the 5th grader who's constantly acting up in class.
So Pokie is arguing that even Jeran faked it!!! You gotta love those flerfs, they won't even trust their own brothers in stupidity. Of course he will dismiss your photograph with a wave of the hand, gotta keep flerfing!
It's very common to see ISS fly-by by incident, it very bright and it can happen 3 times a day even and it sometimes travels for 2 minutes, but most people are unaware it's ISS, same as people don't know that brightest "stars" on sky are actually planets and they always say it's a "north star" ;p
Yeah airplanes do fly. We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
I once tracked the ISS in my dobsonian telescope. Kind of hard to do, and because it was manually tracking it was hard to really focus on it visually to pick out details but I could see the general shape of it, and that was neat. Another really fun sighting I remember was when I could see it moving across the sky with the space shuttle not far behind it, having recently departed the station on its way back to Earth. Seeing those two dots move across the sky was pretty neat.
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
@@iancohgneetoh3494 you can look up the distance, and use the speed and distance to figure out the angular velocity. its not so high that its impossible to see.
Great results for a first try (not that I could do better lol). I hope you'll give it another go with the fixes you noticed. Thanks for also posting several other transits and photos taken over the last few years; flat earthers have been denying them for ages and I've no doubt that Pokie will lie or try to move the goalpost.
Thanks, I'm going to keep a watch on the trackers for sure, hopefully I can catch one during the darker nights of winter, or might look at a solar filter
@@DaveMcKeegan I'm already looking forward to those videos! How much further can flat earthers keep moving the goalposts though before they fall off the edge of the flat earth? 🙃
@@DaveMcKeegan If he ever responds with something, are you going to pin the comment or make another video on it? I would love to hear what he said (Not being nasty, I'm genuinely just curious as to his response). Maybe you could just let us know in a future video that we should come back to this comment section to see it if he posted anything? Hope you're doing well btw :)
@@ThePhoenixSlayer I think we are already giving this ignorant nick way to much attention, hence relevance. I'd like to see Dave making more astrophotography tips and show and tell, but not to give response to the trolls on comment section, but to educate the rest of us.
@@ambientoccluser I actually thought that this one seemed at least half decent. I didn't think he should give him much attention, I just thought that people would like an update on if he really changed.
"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift. "Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.' "We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."
Yep, 15º, I think people are confused by rotary clocks and watches, although there is a timepiece made for a whole day rotation. Ordinary analoge clocks and watches are made for finer gradation of our waking hours (assuming the other "half" of the 24 hour day we are asleep).
I do some astrophotography, and I find capturing to a laptop from the live view is the most flexible. You get fast exposures without the mirror flapping, and you can capture until the hard drive fills up. You also have the advantage of being able to control your mount if you're using one, so finding objects is easy if they're in the database.
Well done Dave. For those new to Dave's channel, he's a very talented photographer and his early RUclips days are all about photography. Well worth watching, you'll learn heaps.
thing called blue beam and professional liars need a new map while attempting to understand basic physics. earth is larger than jupiter or flat like kansas
@@jrcather5196 can you re- word this? first sentence is hard to understand. and are you actually saying earth is flat and bigger than jupiter? or are you being facetious?
Back in 2007 I asked my father to help me spot the ISS. By the NASA website traxker it was supposed to be nearly overhead, and before the appropriate time we went outside. He spotted it first. He then commented about another object nearby that was "chasing" it. I informed him it was the space shuttle departing it, headed home.
I witnessed the same thing several times always the same distance away from it. If that was the shuttle I should not have been able to see it with my naked eyes being as far away as it is told to us to be. What I am seeing is much larger than a shuttle or both objects are way closer than we're told to be able to see from the ground without artificial magnifcation.
@@bruzrcruzr2004 it's a matter of brightness really. Those objects are high enough above the surface that they are reflecting sunlight, and the relative brightness of reflected sunlight (even a tiny speck) vs the night sky makes them visible even at that great distance.
@@omega5279 even simpler, the sun reflecting from a mirror or optic can be seen for miles though it might only be a couple inches square that one could not see from 500 yards without the reflection.
i've seen a ISS transit with my own eyes by accident (daylight, just a light speeding across the sky) and in the time it took me to verify it was really the ISS (checking orbit and location) it had traveled already 2k km. My mind was positively blown that day and i'll never forget it :D
I live in east Africa and today we had an ISS flyby, visible for 6 minutes on a perfectly clear evening sky. I use spotthestation and always eagerly await the iss passes. The people who think it's fake can't be helped
I was assigned to the space station program in Huntsville in 1996. Retired and living on the Olympic Peninsula now I occasionally see it transit overhead while taking a soak in the hot tub. The first time I saw it sent me to a satellite tracker where I confirmed it was the ISS. It would take about 20 seconds to capture the fly-by on camera from horizon to horizon - I can't imagine the coordination and timing you would need to capture it in front of the moon. Well done!
well, there's no need to imagine, as it's all clearly explained in this video: there's an app that does the calculations for you. The hardest part of it all, is setting your watch to the correct time exactly.
@@Globehoax A *game* fact. In all seriousness, I'm sure all the engineers who worked on assembling the ISS (and thats a LOT of engineers) will be happy to hear their life is a lie.
So nice that you included Andrew's picture of the ISS in front of the moon. He is such an amazing astrophotographer and as a fan of his work I love it being shown to more audiences!
This to me is absolutely remarkable engineering and truly a man made wonder of the world. In some sense it’s understandable that some people refuse to believe it. I just wish Pokie would’ve had the intellectual curiosity and integrity to set up the experiment himself, instead of making someone else do all the hard work for him. Especially because of his taunting and mocking tone
The guy just made someone go out at night to take a picture of ISS, make a video about it and irritated thousands of people in the process just by posting a RUclips comment. I love him, you don't see such pure example of trolling much these days. And we all learned something new thanks to him!
Most people who are addicted to conspiracy theories are lazy and have low self-esteem. See, the best way to improve self-esteem is thru self-improvement, like working out, getting a better job, learning a new skill, getting a girlfriend, etc. But that requires too much work for their tastes. So instead, they get into conspiracy theories because it gives them an easy way to feel superior, as though they've stumbled upon some "hidden truth" that others weren't smart enough to uncover. The problem is, the sources they use to discover this "truth" are largely bunk, written by amateurs and quacks.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector slip of the tongue? Stumbled upon some hidden truth, you got that right… yes the truth is, earth has and always will be unequivocally an immovable plane less earthquakes in a closed system… I can’t speak for others who discovered it but I invest 2 hours a day on it. The other hours are being comfortably retired in Switzerland with a nice woman and standard poodle in absolute perfect health, non vaxed and 95% raw vegan, swimming, bicycling, tennis and yoga… The key is to staying out of hospitals and court rooms…Truth is truly heart warming,an enlightenment and a blessing… Peace…
@@80s_Boombox_Collector The truths were always known but were buried by the Royals, Vatican, Jesuits, Zionists and Freemasons for their power and control over the masses, their time is ending soon 500 years of this Santa Ball is enough… Todays optics are so good they have caught up with the lies and the optics will only keep getting better… don’t hold your breath waiting for the Space Agencies to finally put a man, woman and one from each of the other genders on The Cosmic Plasma Phenomenon aka The Moon… You being a NASA Fan Boy or Girl probably already believe they did that 6 times in the late 60’s & early 70’s … Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive… Peace…
I saw it during the last Shuttle mission to the ISS with my bare eyes, because in the area I was, was clearly visible the approximation of the shuttle during night fall (summer 2011). One can see perfectly two incredible bright objets one close to the other moving form west to east. Was nice and beautiful.
Springer spaniels are excellent dogs. I grew up on a horse ranch that had a fairly wide range of dog breeds over the years, but when we took in (today people love to say 'rescue') a springer spaniel, I was genuinely surprised at what a great dog she (and eventually one of her pups) was. If I had young kids, a springer would be on an incredible short list for a family dog.
Thanks for the setup Raven, but i'll take it from here... Have you seen all this footage of na$a faking $pace?" /watch?v=qqNFr-Z4Gbw /watch?v=ThduRhb7V1A /watch?v=O3kY1xWy0iw /watch?v=V7Orn0erGyw /watch?v=sU4tqJjcywU /watch?v=yee4cw4E4JE /watch?v=x2jMkgAQy9w /watch?v=2fKvCEaURnM /watch?v=QBun3unO0t8
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person." Bill Murray Great video BTW keep em coming.
Wow, brilliant images for a first try! Edit: that sounds condescending, and I really didn’t mean it to, I’m seriously impressed. I don’t have either the skill or the equipment to do that.
Congrats. That was one of the most dogged and determined quests to pursue the truth I have ever witnessed. Methodical, patient and conclusive. Well done!
@DaveMcKeegan Predictions for Pokie's most likely responces: 1. You never hear from him again 2. He replies that you "photoshopped" it so it is a fake (despite all the steps you took to avoid such claims as to them even touching up a photo makes it "fake") 3. Some variation of #2- where he otherwise denies the results.
My older brother talked me into the Flat Earth thing, a few years ago. I was determined that, it was actually flat after looking at a few videos. But because I love SciFi so much, I've decided to watch videos on both sides. Bought a telescope of my own (pretty cheap one), it got the job done. 1. The moon clearly wasn't transparent. Debunked that on my own. 2. Seen countless videos of the ISS going by doing its thing and showed my brother. He wasn't too interested. Oh well. Not arguing. Those 2 things alone made me swiftly covert back after just one year. Then, I recently seen a video here were someone made a basketball look flat by zooming in on it level. Earth isn't flat.
Ask your brother how meteorites pass through the dome, always a good one. He might say "meteorites don't exist". Then tell him to look up the Winchcombe meteorite 👍
Loved your dogs attempt to attract you attention, the look in his eyes says it all. While watching this video, I could just read his mind and see speech bubbles of his thoughts. This would be a great take on this video.
My first time stumbling across your vlog posts. First off, I find your dog so adorable and well behaved! So quiet, serene.. Secondly, I'm quite impressed by your equanimity in responding to the flat earthers (who seem to uniformly present their sides w/ insults to whoever they're chatting with who aren't flatters like them-your patience is remarkable I don't trust that I would have a comparable restraint). More power to you! And thanks. The world needs more people like you!🎉
My main gripe with conspiracy theorists is that they are always way more smug and rude than the 'scientific elite' they are trying to debunk. I almost never hear academics boast about their 'intellectual superiority' or call people morons and sheep, yet most conspiracy theorists seem to start with that right off the bat, Pokie's original comment included. My gripe with Pokie isn't that he's wrong, it's that he's a deeply unpleasant person to interact with, which wouldn't be very persuasive even if he was right.
"Professor Dave" vs Flat Earth Dave. Watch it sometime if you want. Also in the conspiracy world. You have a lot of individuals who want attention and can't argue their point. I haven't watched this video and probably won't. I've seen something in the shy passing by also. But I've seen plenty of cgi glitches while their supposedly on the fake station. There is one where an astronaut goes by in the background. Supposedly floating. But you see he's using a harness. Just take a look into it sometime. Have a good one.
@@crungefactory I was more referring to people I've met in person. Tyson is more of a celebrity-podcaster than an academic. I'm not lumping Bill Nye in with career academics spending all their time publishing research in one narrow field. Besides, while celebrity-podcaster Tyson is pretty smug, he's generally less smug than the conspiracy theorist arguing with commentors just above us^
@@crungefactoryTo conspiracy theorists, anyone who refuse to believe in their nonsense is smug. Any proof shown is fake. Any established theory is a lie. Good to know that these people can vote and breed.
It’s actually easy to capture objects as they pass by in front of the moon. As an astrophotographer I’ve seen lots of satellites pass in front of a full moon. It’s done using a special camera that actually captures video of the moon and planets.
They cannot concede because there is no benefit to doing so for them, and it's far too expensive in terms of sunk cost. The psychology of conspiracy theorists seems well understood. Congrats on your transit photograph, and thank you for your respectful response to your comments.
@@spacesciencelab he's actually spot on. Maybe a flat earther is capable of moving on with new information, but not if they don't allow new information through. In hundreds of videos and thousands of comments providing _indisputable_ evidence of the globe, I have yet to see a flerf do anything but deny, deflect, redirect, lie, mock, and rage quit. Flat earth is their safe zone - it isn't only a matter of having too much invested, it's that they perceive science as pushing God aside. Inside the dome, the universe is a size and age they can grasp. Outside of it they're insignificant, and the universe is terrifying and overwhelming. They _can't_ let contradictory data in, because their whole being depends on that psychological shield remaining intact.
While I haven’t taken a photo of a magnified ISS, I have seen it a few times with my naked eye, and the first time was when I watched the SpaceX Crew-2 launch in person. It was really surreal seeing the speed of this bright light that was the space station pass right over the crowd’s heads, knowing that four more astronauts were about to fly up to it. It was amazing. Hope I can one day get good enough hardware to see it like you did
Fortunately, Dave is merely using the challenge as a means of demonstrating to normal folk how it could be done. It's probably something he always wanted to do, but was lacking the impetus. He seems supremely indifferent to whether Pokie accepts the results or not as Pokie isn't his intended audience. We are. That way he avoids getting caught up in a slanging match as do some other educators.
The amateur radio repeater on the ISS can be received whenever it's in range - 437.800 MHz FM. Another way to verify its existence and to measure its speed via the Doppler shift.
Beautiful capture Dave and stunning for a first attempt. I have done a few of it crossing the Moon and Sun from various locations around Australia. It always happens exactly as predicted. There are captures by other professional photographers years ago showing Shuttles in close proximity during the construction phase. I'll post some links in a follow up comment.
I love it. Kinda like anti-vaxxers or America's Republican party, it is a great way to identify really dumb people without having to converse with them. They're advertising how dumb they are without anyone putting in the effort to find out.
@@1pcfred I mean, the universe it technically flat since space doesn't curve onto itself and has no corners. Obviously the earth is very much a spheroid.
@@Lord_and_Savior_Gay_Jesus The universe has to be a 3D shape since we can observe numerous galaxies moving in different directions which requires a three dimensional space. Well, okay a four dimensional space.
Don't waste your time man, if you send a guy like pokie to the moon he will come back saying he was brainwashed and he is sure none of that really happened.
I was in chat for a live stream one night when someone mentioned the ISS was due over their house in a bit, so I looked to see where it was. Turned out it was headed directly over my head in about two minutes. I watched it go by, and then went back to the chat where the other person on the other side of the atlantic then saw it pass over their house. Almost makes the massive planet feel tiny, then you compare it to anything else in the universe and realize you can't properly grasp "tiny".
same thing happened to me. I saw it's reflection bouncing off of my monitor. By the time I turned around to look it was at my chat buddies house and he caught the reflection off of the knife he was using to filet his mignon
@@Dichuz91 that means you are less than nothing. You may as well commit suicide as love can't be measured so there is no point to your existence WHATSOEVER
Considering we have Live Streamed from the ISS and had numerous tour videos and other types of vids from on the station, it is hard to believe people think it is a lie. It is trippy watching the people's hair and other things they show in demonstration in the low gravity of the station. At this point there is so much footage of the people on the station, it woudl be more difficult to fake than for it to just be real.
There's just too many stupid nutjobs out there. There was this person on tiktok who believed Rome didn't exist. You can't make up this kind of stupidity
never underestimate the power of motivated reasoning, especially with people who don't think generally apply critical thinking to their own beliefs. these people want to feel special, they want to feel smarter than other people.
Not taking any sides but anything can be faked with enough money. Space looks pretty darn real in movies. I mean Matt Damon was on Mars right:? NASAs budget is like 20 billion a year as opposed to a 300 million dollar movie. This footage looks pretty good and is probably more proof than nasa has shown that its real but then you gotta say "well, how high above the earth is it really? Is the footage shown from it real?" Theres always questions that can be asked. I dont doubt anything anymore, especially in this world gone nuts we live in.
@@codeninja1 "Space looks pretty darn real in movies" -- in spliced together segments of a handful of seconds each, specifically shot to cover up for discrepancies. It's easy to watch footage in space and see how different it is from movies. "I dont doubt anything anymore, especially in this world gone nuts we live in." -- this mindset will do nothing except make you *extremely* vulnerable to misinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense.
@@unnamedenemy9 "these people want to feel special, they want to feel smarter than other people." I don't think that's it at all. If anything, I think it shows your obvious bias. I think people are suspicious of authority and are hesitant to believe everything they are told.
I use to get to work at 6am every morning and almost every morning I could watch the ISS go by. It got to be a routine and the highlight of my work day. So when I heard people saying it wasn’t really up there it blew my mind how oblivious people could be
I’ll bet you live very northern US/southern CA. That’s the sweet spot to guarantee to see the ISS every morning before sunrise and evening after sunset. (Weather permitting).
I don't think Pokie will concede, but what I love about these videos, is they can catch people that may be susceptible to falling for the flerf bs, but get enlightened by interesteing facts beforehand whilst they still retain a shred of common sense. I do find it incredibly strange that so many flerfers could actually see what's what with their own eyeballs when they look into the sky, and apply a bit of knowledge and common sense, instead they completely cower from any real evidence at all and just scream 'I don't believe you' with their fingers in their ears, what an absolute bunch of belters
Nice catch, it's hard to photograph that stuff. I spent an evening on a dock in rural Montana and watched the ISS cross the sky twice. It moves so quick and so straight that I don't get how anyone could think it's anything other than a satellite.
My prediction is that he'll say this lacks sufficient detail to positively identify and/or compare it to the "supposed" ISS, and therefore will say you failed to meet the terms of his challenge. He'll never concede. All the blustering he was doing in the comments of another of Dave's videos showed he was already setting up his excuses. (e.g. he went from saying Dave was trustworthy to calling him a liar, distorting what was written by Dave, etc.)
You are far more patient then I am with these types of people. I would have sent him a picture of the night sky with the word “gullible” hidden somewhere 😂 Good work!
@@erichramone7812 I hear you. The trouble is, it’s hard to find someone who isn’t being totally disingenuous when they hold discussions where the points of view are different. Conversations have become contests. Whatcha gonna do? 🤷♂️ cheers 🍻
What’s amazing to me is that the original poster commented, congratulated Dave, but utterly deflected from conceding and upheld his conviction with absolutely no regard to the video. “Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.” -Michel de Montaigne
I once saw the ISS flash across the eyepiece of my telescope. I captured it by watching how it approached the crosshairs of my finder-scope then positioned the crosshairs as best I could to allow the ISS to pass through the centre. I got lucky.
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While you are at it, would you mind setting up that camera again to capture the goalposts which will now move quicker than the ISS?
There isn't a shutter speed fast enough to capture those as they move. They are almost instantaneous.
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Funny! Very.
Top comment.
suprisingly, he admitted defeat.
Flat Earther: "Give me the evidence and I'll believe you."
Normal Person: "Here's some evidence, here's how I collected it and where I collected it, this is the time of day it was collected."
Flat Earther: "Please, that's obviously fake."
Normal Person: "Well, you could recreate what I did and see if you get the same results."
Flat Earther: "Nice try, shill! I won't fall for your lies!"
There's no winning with these people.
I think it is funny that this flat earther stuff became a viral thing again after another guy released a certain "documentary".
@@Truth_Apologetics "top flat earthers" have exactly the same amount of evidence for their ideas and exactly the same amount of thinking put into their flat models as the "mediocre flat earthers" and "bottom flat earthers". Which is zero.
an actual argument from Fight The Flat Earth channel a few days ago :
Flerf: show measurements of size of earth.
FTFE: Here you are. Shows evidence.
Flerf: I want measurements.
FTFE: ok, here are actual measurements. shows actual measurements.
flerf: those are written on paper. I want actual measurements.
FTFE: wot ??
flerf: i dont want measurements on paper; i want actual measurements.
@@Truth_Apologetics I am laughing at you
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” - Bill Murray
As a radio ham, I frequently use the ISS’ repeater, as do many other radio hams. The ISS only comes into range for a few minutes and is pretty much where it’s expected. During that time, I can receive and transmit (via the ISS) to people well outside normal line of sight range. Strange that I (and many others) should be able to do that if the ISS doesn’t exist.
In theory, if the flat earthers were right, you wouldn’t *need* the ISS to do that. It would just be a question of having a powerful enough transmitting antenna. The fact that you can _only_ do it when the ISS is in range is pretty strong evidence that earth isn’t flat.
Yes, and I’ve seen countless schools getting a ham radio to let the kids actually TALK to the astronauts there. They even have their own callsign. It’s amazing
@@clebsgaming92 - It’s a great thing to have a crack at, one of the many awesome things that you can do with a radio licence.
@@clebsgaming92 woah that sounds insanely cool. "Honey, how was your day at school?" "Mom, I talked to the astronauts on the ISS!"
I have never done anything as cool, let alone at school... If only.
I don't know much about Ham radios. You can reach to the ISS when it's 240 miles up? How far on land can you reach out with that same band? Do you just talk to the astronauts or do they relay the signal out farther. So the ISS how far can you reach with that relay?
One of the most difficult things for human beings to do is admit that they were wrong.
One of the most commendable things a human can do is to accept the truth.
So true. As soon as I became as humble as possible after reading “How to Win Friends and Influence People” it changed my life. I can attribute all success I’ve had to that moment, not to mention I’ve learned so much since my mind has stayed open since then. People will respect someone soooo much more when they are willing to be wrong and own it. It’s a very hard lesson for people to learn and some people never do. If they can bring themselves to drop the ego though, they will see immediate results in life and go so much further. Imagine if all of humanity did this, we would be many times further in our research and knowledge if so.
It’s hard to win a argument with a intelligent person, but impossible to win with a stupid person
if you give anything to flat earthers they will say either its 'faked' or its 'government lies' ultimately its impossible to win an argument with them because they fail to accept the truth
I don't know why people keep spreading blurbs like this, people feel a sense of superiority to others who admitted they were wrong, not a sense of respect. That's my observation
@@techmedia1360 Yes, there are people who act like that. If you're around that crowd, get them out of your life, or if you work at an organization that has this mentality, then leave it. Anyone who can't respect someone else's authenticity and humbleness is just a POS themselves. We never get anywhere by always being criticized...and organizations that are filled with people who don't take any responsibility don't flourish. I've worked at both.
Having a flat eather say they consider a flat earth debunker to be trustworthy is a testament to how well put together and respectful these videos are.
It's easy for flat earthers to *_say_* it. They probably thought that Dave wouldn't put in the time or effort to _actually do_ it though because flat earthers _almost_ never accept evidence that runs counter to their belief. I think there are only two flat earthers that have done so publicly. Ranty indicates that his change of position was due to the evidence presented being geographically local so he could confirm it for himself. I don't know the story for the other one. If there are other former flat earthers that have changed their minds, they have do so by silently disappearing.
Yeah this is high quality content for sure
@@Tsudico Interesting, what geographically local evidence was that exactly?
@@fredoverflow I think, but could be mistaken, that it was a picture of Blackpool tower with the terrain behind it. Ranty knew there was a town on the shore that should have appeared across the water at the base of the mountains but the town was obviously not in the image. I think Ranty goes over it in detail in one of his earlier videos on his debunking channel, Auditing the Absurd. If it isn't there, it may be among Conspiracy Catz videos because it was Conspiracy Catz who walked Ranty through the image and why it shows the Earth isn't flat.
believing anything a flat earther says is not advisable
i hate that we have reached a point where we all agreed that that we should do is doing the work for other people so we can convince them of the things they could easily find out by doing the work themselves.
Not to mention teaching them things they should've learned in school too.
@@AVI-lh6rm not to mention that all this effort is wasted, as they do not care about facts and reason, they just want to believe and for those beliefs to make them somehow "special". They're just sad primitive little nobodies who crave for attention, so we should not give them what they want. We must mock them instead and make them feel ostracised and hated.
@@AVI-lh6rm they probably have but then where going in this rabbit hole of crazy People that pushing this conspiracy´s.
Exactly. Don't even bother. If they want us to hold their hand to educate them on basic obvious things, then pay us.
The entertainment comes from watching flerfers struggle to deny the undeniable.
I'd be amazed if pokie actually did change their mind.
So will I but thought I'd give him the chance to show his true colours
They never do. I wish they would stick to actual conspiracys. They make us look stupid.
He will just yell “photoshop!!”
@@garyblake9665 This is how we are silenced. The silly bs is mixed with serious events. Everything is equally dumb "they" say. The murder of JFK is basically flat earth now. 😅 We have video evidence of him getting shot in the forhead, this is worth as much as a working flat earth model measured in conspiracy currency
Taking bets that pokie remains an ignorantly delusional pizza sheet.
It's easier to just launch and maintain the ISS than launch and maintain an ISS sized fake object that corresponds perfectly to an "ISS" tracking app.
Yeah, holograms are so hard to employ, especially when you can create an app telling people when to look at it
@@PWEIcom 1) you can't project a hologram into empty space 2) holograms don't produce shadows (moron)
@@PWEIcom What about the thousands of other satellite's we track / observe or the observed re-entry of orbital vehicle's or the ISS amateur radio station that emanates from ISS anyone can link to , not forgetting complexity's of projecting holograms worldwide undetected
@@nounoufriend1442 don’t bother replying to the moron, some people won’t change no matter what you tell them.
No one needs launch a fake ISS sized object. The tracker app tracks some of the many ET ships currently in Earth's low orbit.
"pokey"'s response is exactly what I would expect from a flat-earther: if the image isn't perfect, then it's "obviously not the ISS", but if it IS perfect, then it's "too perfect to be real". Any reasonable person would concede, but these are not reasonable people. But I sure appreciate your effort, Dave McKeegan.
easy jock rider you have zero evidence for earth being a spinning ball
@@jrcather5196k let's say it was somehow not a globe, why the f would people want to lie about it's shape, I just want to understand that.
@@jrcather5196 and you have zero evidence that its a pancake
@@robinspanier7017 plenty of evidence that you need a new map
@@ceostreams do some flipping research before you come at that broken record statement
Pokie asked and challenged a photographer... to take a photograph. What did they expect?
in the flat earth paradigm, truth is determined entirely by how loud you shout.
Since that is how they all behave, they expect everyone else to do exactly the same.
they cannot comprehend that there exists a process by which you can collect evidence about ... anything.
@@victorfinberg8595 It was NEVER about the flat Earth, they couldn't care less. It's about their ego, and pissing against the wind to be a "rebel" without a good cause
I mean, if he's sincere in his beliefs, he might expect a photographer to be unable to take a photograph of a thing that doesn't exist.
And I don't know what he gets out of claiming to believe this if he doesn't actually believe it.
What does amaze me is that he was willing to, before the photo was taken, agree that Dave McKeegan is trustworthy enough that he wouldn't accuse Dave of making fake photos if Dave showed him photos of the ISS that Dave says he, himself, took.
probably more then a dot
@@segevstormlord3713 the proof is in the pudding. don't bet on any flat earther being honest
There was a point in my life when I was younger when I went out of my way to prove the _"pokies"_ of the world that they were wrong, but I just reached a point where it didn't seem to matter.
Keep looking. I saw something crazy. What we look at every day , is not what you think
@@nicolec7290 @nicolec7290 Even before the online FE craze was a thing, I was interested in celestial navigation while sailing my boat 10,000 miles around the top of Australia. Every night I watched the stars and moon for almost a year.
Never once was there any indication the earth was anything other than a globe. It is precisely as you would think.
Agreed, not worth wasting your time trying to educate people who can't be taught.
Flat Earth conspiracies peaked in 2018
@@BeardofBeesPool Yeah, now it's lizard people..... lol That comet can't hit soon enough! lol
Dave, all you need to do is ask a local Ham Radio operator. There's a repeater on the ISS which takes an up-link radio signal and sends it back down on another frequency. If the ISS wasn't there, a directional tracking antenna pointed out into space would not have a signal re-transmitted on the down-link. It would just go off out into space. Well done on the photography!
Ham operator here; can confirm - you can use even a handheld radio to receive SSTV signals sent from the ISS and then decode them into still images.
They would just say the radio stations are in on it and that they fake a return signal. There’s no proving anything to these people.
You could send Pokie to the ISS and make him a believer, but everyone who thinks the same as him would write him off as a paid shill lying about his experience with fake video. A true exercise in futility.
And if you had a Christmas dinner worth of hams spaced far enough apart and working together you could triangulate its position and track its movement.
Of course, the flat Earth thing was disproven thousands of years ago by the ancient Greeks by putting two sticks in the sand at the tide line at the same time on the same day but some types are slow to catch on to easily reproducible experiments. I really just came here for the Christmas Hams.
The problem with debating conspiracy theories is that the theorists can make up explanations for your evidence as they go, and they don't even care if the explanations are mutually inconsistent and impossible.
It's turtles all the way down, and the turtles are made of crazy.
@@madisonlink7141you sound vaccinated
In the fall of 1957, when I was a little boy, my dad took us out in the yard one night (it was a country town with almost no light pollution) to see an amazing thing. He explained that the Russians had shot a tiny artificial moon into space that was circling the Earth. And we would see it soon. So we waited - and sure enough, in a little while a tiny bright point, like a star, suddenly appeared in the middle of the sky and slowly moved towards the horizon. He explained that it had been in Earth's shadow, then came out into the sunlight, and we were seeing the sun reflected off of it's surface.
So that was before NASA, before CGI, before computers were made with transistors. And it was done by the Russians, not the evil American government which wants to fool us all about the nature of the cosmos for some reason. It was tiny - 58 cm in diameter, but against the black sky it was a bright point that anyone with normal vision could see as it orbited. Dad had already showed us how the moon changes every day, and how the shadow of the Earth on the moon is always a crescent, no matter what part of the sky it's in, because the Earth is a giant ball. And when we'd gone to the beach, we'd watched big ships move out to sea, slowly disappearing from the bottom up, and he'd explained the horizon to us. It was clear to me, at 6 years old, that we live on a giant sphere - and I wasn't just believing what my dad had told me, I'd seen the evidence.
That reminds me of my youth. I was not quite as young as 6 though. At 5 yo I wondered what if Earth were a flat rectangle like the world atlas pulled down over the chalkboard when in kindie. And IF that were the case, then how come I could not see the nearby city if Earth were flat. Yea I had also seen a globe of Earth, but I was young and fanciful and wondered what if the stories of Columbus were true and he was trying to prove you would not fall off. So I did lots of observations, starting with the Sun, tracking it etc. And tons of other observations, some simple experiments and tons more observations. After several years, think I was around 8, I came to realization that no matter how hard I tried or how far up a tree I could get, I would never see the nearby city from my house because Earth was not a flat rectangle. Because Earth was clearly a sphere. I had seen the evidence, lots of it. Again yes I sort of already knew or at least been told this, but as I said I was young with a vivid imagination. I had even traced the analemma, although at that age I had no clue what it was called or precisely why. Was not until later in middle school that I learned that.
Nice, but moon phases aren't "the shadow of the Earth on the moon"; that would be an eclipse. It's amazing how many people still think this.
It's a shame you didn't share your opinions about Russia in 57 so they could put you behind bars where you belong.
@@ReValveiT_01 Ha ha ha
Lack of observance of the physical world seems to be a first world problem that FE and other space deniers have.
Great story! Nice work capturing the space station. Seems incredibly difficult.
Thanks Jerry, what a great surprise to find you in my comments 😊
Please scratch test the space station.
Without the application, it would be incredubly difficult, but this website made it aparently so much easier. (Even if that is still quite difficult).
Sup Zack!
What space station? KAPPA
I think the most important point is that this experiment is highly repeatable, without *too* much investment. High end camera equipment and telephoto lens can be rented. You technically don't even need that, if you just want to prove it to yourself (flerfers love first-hand experience), just a pair of binoculars and some patience would suffice.
All true, and unfortunately irrelevant for flattards. They all refuse to actually do science. Whenever they do try science and the result contradicts their theories, they'll claim some fault in their setup.
Flattards are the original village idiots. You could send them to space and they'd still claim it's all fake.
Flerfers love first hand experience... Unless it's actual scientific fact. At that point they reject their own senses.
Obviously everyone that did this experiment are argonian cia lizards, who are being paid to deceive you
@@xmlthegreat 15 degrees per hour... must be some cosmic radiation....
To be fair it is not cheap but it is completely repeatable.
My sons and I saw the ISS fly over our small town some years ago. We gotten up early in hopes of getting a glimpse. We not only saw it moving overhead with the sun rising in the east, we also saw the departure of the space shuttle separating from the ISS and moving off to the south east. We realize we were fortunate to see that precise moment. Wish I had my phone camera trained on the ski at that moment.
Sure
Great story, so lucky. But you would need something far more subtantial to photograph the ISS than a phone camera though.
the large industry of making flat earth hit pieces is totally necessary because they are stupid
bro what? @@YellHallelujahILY
@@mikewilson8513 i saw the two solar pannel arrays on either side of it with my Celestron 90az telescope with a cellphone camera attatched that i got for 100 or so bucks! With enough practice tracking it and the right shutter speed jts not too hard to do
I’ve had a super unique experience where I was looking at Jupiter and Saturn in the same field of view with a large cardboard dobsonian/manual telescope (when they were super close a year or two ago). I was looking in and out of the eyepiece over the course of a minute, and just by sheer random chance, I saw something transit right between the planets quite quickly. I looked at the sky and saw a light passing across. My instinct told me that it was the ISS (based on the speed it was going, which I had witnessed a few times before). I managed to manually track it with my scope (which was quite difficult), and sure enough I could just make out the distinct shape and trusses. Just to confirm, I got out the SkyView app to see what it was, and it confirmed that it was the ISS.
I couldn’t believe it. Absolutely no planning. All I wanted to look at were the planets close together. And to somehow witness a transit BETWEEN Saturn and Jupiter, from my specific location in Australia, at some random time of night. I had only been outside looking for a minute or two. Two seconds before or after and I would have missed it.
What are the chances…. Just crazy… definitely a special moment.
@maddybelo
Clicked on this video randomly and now I'm super glad I got to read this comment!
If you are below it's orbital inclination in latitude, which is 51.6 degrees at present, it is guaranteed to pass within at most 5.625 degrees of longitude from you. That is a worst case scenario of passing 300 miles east of you, then 300 miles west of you, at the equator. It's worst case distance from you will shrink as you more in latitude away from the equator.
Most days it will be something like 200 close 400 far approach though, rather than perfectly bracketing you, and you very likely could see it above the horizon every day. Remember, it's 250 miles up, so even the worst case 300 is still well within your horizon, and it will only be 390 miles away from you. It's just a question of can you see through that much atmosphere, and is it lit right for whatever timing it had for you that 24 hour period.
@@ASDeckard Oh, yes, of course. Definitely not hard to spot the ISS in general. I think I was just shocked that I had managed to see it transit between the planets. This was during the ‘Great Conjunction’ of December 2020. Saturn and Jupiter were only a fifth of the moon’s diameter apart when I was looking, and the fact that the ISS had transited between them (out of the whole night sky and without planning) was just sheer luck. If someone had planned to witness this, they most likely would have had to travel somewhere fairly close to my location. Always fun to see the ISS either way, and give the astronauts a wave, haha.
That’s pretty Kool! Good for you 😊
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
I love that you had the idea of using a second camera to film the first camera and show no trickery is going on.
I've had thought of different ideas how to take pictures of Earth, let's say we put a camera on a small rocket, and I always thought "What if they say it's fake?" You'll need a second camera to show the first camera, and maybe even a third camera to film the first and second, maybe even arange them in a way, that the second and third camera film each other.
And even then they'd even say its still fake through all that, and if they went up into space on their own they'd go like "Space isn't real Ill open his airlock and-" dead.
Cause thats how these people think, atleast one i know.
@@bluenightfury4365 yes you needed a third camera to film the other two and then have a 4th and so on and so on... how many you think pokie needs to be convinced?
@@EattheApple666 Sorry son, its cameras all the way down. =P
@@gbprime2353
Beat me to it.😅
With 3D CGI, you can render the image from any point once you've made the scene (takes time to render tho)
It's literally wild. I went on to NASA's website and looked when the ISS would be visible. I went outside and saw it with my naked eye moving like no plane has ever moved. All it would take is one cheap ass telescope to see the detail.
It's truly amazing how little effort it takes to verify that this exists and to verify how far from the ground it must be using math. But I suppose when you are intentionally trying to mislead yourself, tiny effort becomes imposible
Yea its the small and fast dot moving accross the morning sky
Yh ive seen it randomly one day and searched where it was at that time and realised I saw the iss with my naked eye 😂 these people that claim everything is fake is funny
This doesn't prove anything.
@@jaredloveys9617considering I try to keep a eye out for it every time I'm out (and a friend made a habit of using a star app when I point out planets) yeah you can see it alot
Strangest experience was a UFO i thought was the space station
My friend thought it was a plane but their was no green or red lights
And then it started moving in different directions sometimes erratically
Wish I had my binoculars
It was also up their longer then a drone .... that experience was pretty surreal
And before people forget .... UFO
Unidentified flying object .... we had no clue what it was
Wow you can see something that size from how many miles away with your naked eye again? hahahahahhahahhahhahhahahhaaa fuuuuuuunnny
One day I got home after dark, turned around and caught a bright light moving quickly across the sky, not unlike satellites I've seen before, though far brighter. At first I had no idea what I was looking at, but then it twigged that it was in a southerly direction and looked like a satellite, so it might just be the ISS. I simply went inside, looked up the ISS tracker, and lo and behold, it'd just passed south of me like a 100km away. That was such a cool thing to see and then be able to look up straight away.
I recall someone asking me if I could photograph the moon with my camera. An ordinary single-lens reflex camera using colour film.
I said yes, he laughed. I of course said 'what would convince you?' Which usually shuts up those unable to think, or as in this case, he'd backtrack, but he wanted me to do it and fail, that kind of guy.
So we met up (a good sign), and I talked him through it. On an airfield at night, a tripod, ordinary SLR camera, two extension tubes, and a mundane 400mm lens normally used to take pictures of aircraft in flight at airshows, we looked for and found the nearly-full moon, I set up, invited him to look through the viewfinder.
'It's actually moving' He said.
'Yep, the Earth turns, the Moon moves as well, it adds up to visible movement, but normally it's like the hands of a clock, let time pass, and you'll notice it's moved'.
'Uhh...' He looked almost convinced, so I said 'look at it again'. The moon was half out-of-shot.
'Undo this, turn the camera until the moon's in the centre of shot, set exposure for a sunny day...'
'At night?'
'You are looking at a brightly-lit object, over to the left side it's in dark, it's own shadow, like we are at the moment, see how the two line up?'
Then we took a picture. Two days later I had been able to process the neg and make a print for him. A six-by-four with the moon in the centre of shot and showing bright and dark areas. - and one bright spot like a crater. He was happy.
That was in the 1980s. I fear today his equivalent would brain me with my tripod and run away screaming and hide in a cave.
Meeting up with a flat earther at night on a dark airfield doesn't sound sketchy at all lol. Glad you're able to tell the story
I wonder what was in his brain. Why wouldn't you be able to make a photograph of something that is obviously visible and does not even move fast. I mean it is easier to photo the Moon than a flying plane.
I don't understand his concern. If he can see it in the sky, why wouldn't you be able to photograph it?
What type of question is that? Wtf lol. Am I missing something?
@@randomviewer3494 i doubt they are dangerous people.
Nicely done for a first time attempt! One thing to mention is that the ISS photo you showed 10:00 is not the ISS as it appears today because you can see the European ATV-X resupply ship docked to the far end of the russian segment (X-wing looking cylinder) and JAXA's H-II (HTV) resupply ship docked to the zenith port of the Harmony module (gold looking cylinder) - both ships are since retired, and the ISS solar arrays are missing the iROSA upgrades. But what you can make out in your transit pic is that bright white dot at the very tip of the US segment which is the Space X Crew Dragon that carried Crew 6 to the ISS and is currently docked to the forward docking port of the Harmony module so that's really cool. One thing ISS hoaxers don't seem to understand is that the station is constantly changing with new vehicles docking/departing, being retired, new upgrades like the iROSA solar arrays that NASA just had a spacewalk they livestreamed installing ruclips.net/video/wS4z42KaeGk/видео.html (and the next one is tomorrow - ruclips.net/video/yekfGi-JF0g/видео.html) and of course the upcoming Axiom Space commercial modules
The hoaxer mind sees it as static, fake, but in reality its a dynamic constantly changing platform and all those changes are livestreamed, recorded, photographed and documented heavily (every new supply or crew ship, every new module, every iROSA install) and likewise instantly appear in any photo taken of the station from the ground by anyone.
And also NASA is freaking livestreaming it 24/7 from two different perspectives so, you can easily verify the land its flying over, and any activities happening like ships docking and departing
ruclips.net/video/KG6SL6Mf7ak/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/xAieE-QtOeM/видео.html
To deny the existence and regular operations of the ISS at this point is to basically deny reality, like I cannot even fathom it.
These people seem unaware to the extreme and unable to process information if it is given to them.
I think it is some kind of disability.
Flattards have become how they are because one or more of the FE priests has captured them by getting them to believe that they have been lied to all their lives, that "the Government" and all its agencies want to control their minds somehow, and that in order to escape this "control" they need to listen only to their priests. All efforts to educate them fail as they can't get past the irrational belief that they are, yet again, being lied to by "the Government", or by people who have bought the Government lies. If this sounds like yet another religious cult, run by priests whose control of their devotees' minds is strong, there is little or no difference. Dave can offer his information as neutrally and reasonably as he likes, but he will never penetrate the hard shell of resistance. Mind you, he might already know this, which means his comments and vids will be aimed at the fence sitters who may be tempted to dive into the rabbit holes that are flat Earth/Moon landing denial/911 denial/antivaxx, etc.
@@rogerwilco2yes. They’re, regrettably, flatarded.
I didn't notice you could see the dragon! That's awesome.
Sadly I'm not surprised. We have tons of people denying Homo Sapiens have two sexes. People will believe any damn fool thing they want to and dig in against any and all proof otherwise.
I once filmed the ISS by accident. I was testing a 300mm Tamron lens and 1.4x teleconverter by filming the moon and when reviewing the video I noticed this object moving across the frame in front of the moon. I was annoyed that this thing had ruined my footage but it turned out to be the ISS.
Wow. I wonder what the odds of that happening just at random are.
@@my3dviews You might say the odds are... astronomical.
Those darned space agencies, putting stuff in orbit just to mess with your photos...
@@wizardsuth Even though that was sarcasm, there is some truth to that statement. There is so many satellites in LEO now that astronomers are complaining that it is hard to do a long exposure without getting a streak across the photo from a satellite.
@Fred the 47th It is already, but getting worse with every launch. Some with over 50 satellites at once.
The problem lies in the statement "conspiracy theorist promises to concede" Most people into conspiracy theories have a sort of built in denial that sorts out anything even vaguely threatening to their worldview. When faced with threatening facts, they turn to avoidant behavior and at times angry, unreasoned gainsaying. It is like a personality type that ends up getting drawn into that stuff. I think a degree of self-referential narcissism is a prerequisite since most conspiracy theorist exhibit very poor capacity for critical thinking of course that comes with the territory.
If they knew how to evaluate data, they wouldn’t be a CTer.
Unfortunately, it is estimated that 11% of the worlds people have schizophrenia, much of it untreated
Combine that with the safety and anonymity of utube, and you have explained much of the FE phenom. (Whereas these used to stand on streetcorners and yell at the moon)
Also, there is the related issue of drug use to be considered
Even the poorest conspiracy theorist is closer to the truth than you sir even if they can sometimes overshoot. The world is a mess and controlled governments are in charge pretending to be looking after your interests. If you still think they are just doing a bad job it doesn't say good things about you as an adult at this stage. Your blather is cringeworthy to read for those in the know.
About a year and a half ago (as I was walking to my car to go to work), I saw a point of light streaking across the sky in a smooth, south-easterly trajectory. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but when I got to work, I went online to see if the ISS flight pattern went over my area. Lo and behold, it did at approximately the same time I saw it earlier in the morning. So, it is visible to the naked eye in the right conditions. 👍
you can get apps that notify you when it is going to be overhead - it is easily seen as you say esp at night
Yep, our local news station told us when to look up; I did. Visible to the naked eye.
Yeah, a few years ago, my wife & I were out walking and we noticed a fast-moving light and wondered out loud what it was. A neighbor walking behind us informed us that it was ISS--he had been tracking it for a while online and that day was an ideal day to see it for our location. It was a nice "ya had to be there" moment.
I see it pretty regularly by random chance when taking a walk at night. Some nights it's not visible at all and some it's visible multiple times
i have seen the ISS in person too and i always just thought of it as a flying football field. Mostly because they are around the same size and it just shows how massive it just is. I don't know how anyone could even dought it's existance.
Flat earth arguments aside - the fact that this is possible and that you managed to get that clear of an image is an achievement in it's own right! Awesome job!
Indeed.
Pointing a camera at the sky is an achievement 🤣
I mean, I've seen the ISS twice with my naked eye. Not that much of a feat.
@@wilfred-wils literal smoothbrain
@@ThaBeatConductordid you miss the entire segment of the video where he explained exactly why getting a photo is a lot harder than just spotting it by eye?
Dave: "I was able to take a few of the photos and merge them in Photoshop."
Conspiracy theorists: "Aha! I knew all of those pictures were photoshopped!"
Right. As if we didn't do extensive improvement work on photos in darkrooms back in the day. Of course they've never used Photosohop or a darkroom.
@@chriswhitehouse9137 I mean...Apollo Detectives do point out Dave is a fan of "moon photographs" and their extensive photoshopping back in the day.
@@TheCaptainSlappysee you know nothing about photography. If you don't do post processing you're just fucking around, and that isn't the point when you have nice camera equipment.
Yes but he also explained exactly what he was doing and why. A very good, simple explanation in my opinion.
They don’t know what photoshop is. “You used a computer thing” seems a more plausible reaction.
A conspiracy theorist will NEVER admit they are wrong.
Sadly, true.
Because we’re not. Everything that was supposed to be a “conspiracy theory” turned out to be true. It’s your willingness to just put the popular attitude on something and call it facts without doing any real research of your own. It’s called a “hive mind” I’m sitting here right now watching a movie called “Life” it’s about an alien microbe aboard the ISS. Do you really think that this man actually debunked anything because if I wasn’t aware of the facts like you, I’d think that “Jake Gyllenhaal” was aboard the ISS flying around in outer space. I’m called crazy because I’m the guy running in the opposite direction of all the ones heading straight off a cliff.
It depends. I once came across Moon landing conspiracy. It seemed believable. But then I met three arguments for Moon landing is real:
(1) USSR captured the transmission from the Moon, not Hollywood (in the midst of the Cold War they would not support the US claims would those be fake).
(2) Moon stones (shippedto the USSR) have multiple holes from micrometheoriths. This is hard to fake.
(3) There are reflectors on the Moon placed by Apollo missions. Astronomers all over the world use those to measure the distance to the Moon. Just go to a department of Astronomy during the visitor day: they can show it working.
So, the no landing conspiracy was busted.
Neither will a crazy conspiracy DENIER!!!!!!! You gladly surrendered you critical thinking, and now you are mindless automatons who are helpless to defend yourself against those who CONSPIRE AGAINST YOU because you'll never see it coming!!!! Now you don't have the capacity to see impending dangers such as oncoming traffic! GOOD LUCK!!!!!
That's not true, that's your fantasy
Worked in a machine shop all my life. In the 90s there was 11:47 a big push for ISS parts, we made many. Doesn't prove it's up there but it's very cool feeling knowing that parts I planned how to manufacturer, wrote the cnc program, set-up the machine, ran and deburred are up there orbiting the Earth. I know some were for the mobile transporter which was a tolley that went out a arm to retrieve items off the space shuttle.
That's awesome👍
There must be many people like you that have worked on various components for nasa over the decades. Then you have thousands more that work at the agency with planning and operating all the different missions. It is so insulting to you and the others to dismiss and challenge your integrity. It makes me angry.
I’m sure there are a number of reasons why wackos believe in these conspiracy’s. I really don’t care what they believe, but when they accuse hard working people of being dishonest, that is a whole other thing.
My dad is an industrial radiographer. He x-rayed a few of the parts manufactured for the ISS
I guess you do make parts that go to space unlike most of us!
Whether or not pokie believes you, you have explained how he can replicate the process for himself very clearly.
His "method" seems very "scientific". Yes! I recall reading about this approach previously. 🤔
pokie believes him, but in the end he's too coward to admit that he is wrong (or I should say lost?).
@@davidsipos8207wth is this supposed to mean
@@udinsalam4751He admitted that the ISS exists (then immediately snuggled into claims that he used his superior intellect to trick Dave into doing the video--but let him save face if he's willing to concede his original point)
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
He will deny anyway.
Yeah, I've seen similar things happen before. He'll just declare it fake. I hope I'm wrong, but I have little faith.
Of course he will. He will cry “fake” again.
Mobile YT shows only one comment under the video unless you open the comments. And this was the one shown - perfect placement 😄 Because we all know it will be proven right.
@ivanpetrov5255 yeah I've never understood why mobile YT does that. And there's the @user profile names you see sometimes
In essence, he did, he has refused to say that the ISS is actually up there orbiting the earth. Here I was, really praying for a redemption arc. I'll never understand people who must always think one way even in the face of new evidence.
08/10/2023 Hello Mckeegan. My grandson and I saw the fly over ten or more years ago. We were camping in a big pasture with a big group of families and other campers in a wide open pasture, about 50 acres or more. We saw the Iss pass overhead in the dark. From out of sight to full shinny and until it darkened from the sun. Some said that it was an airplane but it was so high and bright that we decided it could not be airplane.We were all watching in amazement as it flew over. We talked for hours after. I have never seen this rare sight again but I did see the iss with my standard vision. No one had more than binoculars. Best clear night. The worst camp out with the same group was only 2 miles from a confirmed tornado. That was a strange night. We still mention that night occasionally. I did see it. Don't believe me just get on line for the flight path over the usa and wait for it to pass again on some clear night sky. It passes often overhead. Very cool. Don
Nice 👍 you’re a genuine guy I’m glad you got to enjoy something with your grandson. Hopefully he knows how lucky he is to have you 😊
In accepting a challenge to help someone better understand the world we live in, you were given a photographic achievement. Nicely done! I'd be proud of that pic and all the prep that went into it.
These people have no desire to learn or better understand anything. They only crave engagement that makes their delusional beliefs worth debating.
Only a simpleton thinks recording a weather module in earths none get out of atmosphere proves a ball LOL... now show us 8 inch squared curve that cant be found ... REAL PROOF ... how gullible are you people that all it takes for you to believe is a photo ...... yet you ignore all photos proving earth is flat ... photos in abundance of objects you can see that according to your fairy tale should be thousands of feet behind imaginary curvature.......
Agreed. We all knew this evidence wouldn't be accepted either way. At least he got an amazing photo out of the ''challenge''.
These conspiracy theories are not based on facts so dispelling them with facts is impossible. I’d interpret Pokies comments as ‘I do not think you’ve got what you think you have”. It was gracious of him to acknowledge that there was ‘no trickery’ just misinterpretation of the event.
@@briantomcollins He's really addressing normal folk, who like how he does things like this. That flattard dumbasses have trouble believing the results is of no great consequence to him. Sometimes I suspect that Dave is using the Socratic method of using a person to question the obvious, thus allowing him to address the objections, thereby educating folk who are not only interested in the topic, but also accept the findings.
I'm in love that despite the flat earth rabbit hole, this is still a photography channel and I'm still learning new things about cameras
I didn't actually know this was a photography channel until I checked the history. I just thought it was a flat earth debunking channel!
Rabid hole more likely
Much of the FE hysteria is fuelled by abject ignorance of photography.
Flat Earthers have a disphoria, and believe things that are not true, as we see so much of lately.
I photographed the ISS with my 10" Dob and a DSLR on video mode. I tracked it manually across the sky and got a few really nice frames. It's not that hard. Pokie could do it himself if he really wanted to, but of course he won't.
@@BondiAV telescopes are rigged by NASA😡🤬
@@BondiAVOh they might, to look at windows down the street never for something useful.
They don't actually want to conduct experiments or read or learn anything. They want to preach from their cozy computer chair about how much smarter they are than everyone else. So, of course, anything that could possibly contradict their view of self-superiority can not and will not be accepted under any circumstance.
That's what's so weird about this one, they are saying something is not possible despite hundreds of people doing it every single night.
@@alittlebitgone "they are saying something is not possible despite hundreds of people doing it every single night."
Welcome to the illogical world of conspiracy theories.
I'm gonna say he won't concede. They never do no matter how stupid their points are or how clear the evidence is against them. See ol Bob's "15 degrees per hour drift" nonsense, and all the "buts" and "explanations" he and his crew gave in the wake of that little gaff.
I forget his name but FTFE had a guy on who conceded and rejected flat earth. Now he has a great RUclips channel where he fishes dirt on flat earthers. It’s great
i agree, as soon as dave said he started to overlap the frames to clear up the noise i thought thats it, their gonna say its fake
Lets remember the late Bob as a guy who never admitted anything until he died.
@@stevepopplewell6448 I think Ranty decided it wasn't flat. Not sure if he conceded it is a globe, but at least he left the flat earth train.
yep, pokie will just move the goal post, that's what people who think they know everything do each time you prove them wrong.
You could put these doubters on a rocket and send them there and they'd accuse you of hypnotising them or putting them in some sort of simulator.
Part of me thinks that they are just winding us rational people up.
Great episode by the way!
I think the hardest part for them is having to admit to themselves they've been stupid and gullible....hard thing to do.
@@alvin2021 Ya, especially the ones that devote their lives to it, with a flat Earth youtube channel. Admitting the ISS is real, means all of what they were pushing for years was 🐄💩.
I agree that a significant number of "flat earthers" don't actually believe it is flat, but crave the attention their claims get like the 5th grader who's constantly acting up in class.
I would love to take them on a spaceship. So I can kick them out of the airlock.
It doesn't help that the BBC(?) actually did just that on a "reality show" years ago...
So Pokie is arguing that even Jeran faked it!!! You gotta love those flerfs, they won't even trust their own brothers in stupidity.
Of course he will dismiss your photograph with a wave of the hand, gotta keep flerfing!
Didn't some of them claim Globebusters were fake flerfs after the comedy movie Behind the curve? (RIP and Thanks, Bob)
Yes sadly there will be nothing to change his mind. It is his religion
@Ivan Petrov so far I've seen globebusters, Dirth, flatzoid are all shills according to them
the way your dog asks for high fives and scratches whenever you talk with your hands is what keeps me coming back 🥺🥺🥺
I never knew capturing the ISS was a thing. Very well done! I almost want to attempt it myself.
It's the release part that gets tricky.
It's very common to see ISS fly-by by incident, it very bright and it can happen 3 times a day even and it sometimes travels for 2 minutes, but most people are unaware it's ISS, same as people don't know that brightest "stars" on sky are actually planets and they always say it's a "north star" ;p
@@1jotun136waiting for this joke lol, we’ll played
@@ShadowriverUByep, I’ve explained Venus not being the North Star on a few occasions
Yeah airplanes do fly. We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
This video just proves one thing to me: that Rusty is the best flat earth debunking dog of all time.
He's also quite demanding if Dave doesn't keep it up during the course of the video, lol. 😄
Simple Celestial navigation proves flat earth is an impossibility.
I once tracked the ISS in my dobsonian telescope. Kind of hard to do, and because it was manually tracking it was hard to really focus on it visually to pick out details but I could see the general shape of it, and that was neat.
Another really fun sighting I remember was when I could see it moving across the sky with the space shuttle not far behind it, having recently departed the station on its way back to Earth. Seeing those two dots move across the sky was pretty neat.
We didn't evolve from monkeys on a non consistent cartoon ball seeing the same stars and constellations since the dawn of man where sea level is called sea level for a reason where the north star is stationary. Not including the false equation for curvature eight inches per mile squared doesn't fit into the 24901 mile circumference. Nobody believes in make believe, water pools, Hollywood and cgi. Freemasonry and secret societies exist in every nation. The mental illness is from people like you that can't comprehend what is real from made up Hollywood propaganda to slave the minds of their slaves to keep them enslaved. The photo is upside down to make fun of the ridiculous ball having land mass thats supposed to upside down in real-time. Which in reality it doesn't exist because earth is a flat plane not a cartoon ball. The body of water doesn't have any land masses in it because it's a body of water. Representing that water is level. Nothing can ever change that. You stand on the earth which is flat. Like playing a video game. A flat open world with terrain. Similar to the flat world we are currently in. There are no Sattelites, that's why they keep building cell phone towers and radio towers. GPS works by the triangulation of three cell phone towers bouncing a signal from the source revealing its location, similar to sonar. Nobody will ever find live feed of any "Sattelites" showing my neighborhood in real-time. Google earth is computer generated until you zoom in then it's aerial photos taken by airplane, not sattelites. Television, cellphones, internet signals work with the same radio/ cell towers grid hooked up to a landline communication cables that also hook under the ocean to the other countries keeping us all connected called the Trans Atlantic communication cables paid for by at&t. This is all documented for the public to see. I'm not the bafoon here. I think the guy who believes he evolved from a 🐒 here has a low iq, similar to someone who has down syndrome. This Karman line you ignorantly speak of is called the horizon and no matter how high you ascend, the horizon will always remain level with your eye level. Limiting the amount of distance you can see from your perspective. Once again you can't see the Antarctica wall, something that's thousands of miles away to be visible at your perspective. Perspective is limited, you can't see forever. I'm sorry I had to explain that to you. Ever play a video game? The world's flat, how's come they can't see forever in the flat game world? 🤔 All Sattelite photos except for the cgi film room ones are from high aerial footage by airplanes, even the spy planes. Just like the Cuban missile crisis the United States flew over Cuba with spy planes to take pictures at a high altitude of military objects. Which the same photos today science would call them Sattelites footage, what a joke. The 4th photo with Polaris explains that Polaris doesn't move, hence the name north star. It doesn't move and never will. Which is pretty much impossible through a vast endless space vacuum seeing the same stars more than one time is very unlikely. When you have perfect timing and cycles. That's way to perfect to even think of mental retardation. Nothing from "space" moves because there is no space. This is it. Well other realms. By Norse mythology there are 9 realms. Just no space. There is no equator. Unless you think of the bullseye 🎯 flat earth map. Then if you follow the equator, anything from the north/ center is south. Correct? Correct. Of course once again vision is limited by perspective so you are not going to see north star from a great distance just like a tall sky scraper from New York when leaving out to see. Everything dissappear from distance. I found these factors by my own brain. Nobody woke me up to flat earth, in fact I was the guy pushing it since 2014 through random fb comments like I'm doing now. I have done plenty of so called experiments and it's all common sense. The math even disproves the globe model pushed by the ones who gave us the math. How about that. You are talking out of ignorance because you don't know a damn thing. Your 21 years old. Wow fresh out of public school system. Even I knew better at 21 than you. I wouldn't brag about being a monkey evolved indoctrinated idiot. I would be embarrassed. "Why haven't I tested experments". Here's one for you a bonfire lights up the surrounding area, just like the sun does when it moves. Also when you put a camera on the ground and walk away from it. Your legs dissappear first before the top half of your body. Similar to the sun "setting". By your ignorance you have done not one ounce of research into your own cartoon model. There is nothing false about flat earth. You didn't even respond to what I have said in the main paragraph and going to say false. You can't disprove a damn thing I said. The only shape and texture that's on flat earth is the terrain that's on it. Nobody knows how much flat earth weighs and we do know the deepest hole ever dug was from Russia and that's only 7 miles. So Nasa already assumed that there I the inner core, outer core and mantle which is hilarious. No flat earth has been around and will always be around. This globe lie started 200 years ago.
..... And it's travelling "so we're told" at 17,500MPH, so well done you....😂😂😂😂😂
@@iancohgneetoh3494 you can look up the distance, and use the speed and distance to figure out the angular velocity. its not so high that its impossible to see.
Yet no video of that, buddy 😉
@@user-sc8ph2ds2m you literally just saw a video of it... in the video you just watched.
The "Fourty days and fourty nights" joke was a good one.
Great results for a first try (not that I could do better lol). I hope you'll give it another go with the fixes you noticed. Thanks for also posting several other transits and photos taken over the last few years; flat earthers have been denying them for ages and I've no doubt that Pokie will lie or try to move the goalpost.
Thanks, I'm going to keep a watch on the trackers for sure, hopefully I can catch one during the darker nights of winter, or might look at a solar filter
@@DaveMcKeegan I'm already looking forward to those videos!
How much further can flat earthers keep moving the goalposts though before they fall off the edge of the flat earth? 🙃
@@DaveMcKeegan If he ever responds with something, are you going to pin the comment or make another video on it? I would love to hear what he said (Not being nasty, I'm genuinely just curious as to his response). Maybe you could just let us know in a future video that we should come back to this comment section to see it if he posted anything? Hope you're doing well btw :)
@@ThePhoenixSlayer I think we are already giving this ignorant nick way to much attention, hence relevance. I'd like to see Dave making more astrophotography tips and show and tell, but not to give response to the trolls on comment section, but to educate the rest of us.
@@ambientoccluser I actually thought that this one seemed at least half decent. I didn't think he should give him much attention, I just thought that people would like an update on if he really changed.
"What we found is, when we turned on that gyroscope, we found that we were picking up a drift," Knodel explains. "A 15-degree per hour drift.
"Now, obviously we were taken aback by that - 'Wow, that's kind of a problem.'
"We obviously were not willing to accept that, and so we started looking for easy to disprove it was actually registering the motion of the Earth."
Yep, 15º, I think people are confused by rotary clocks and watches, although there is a timepiece made for a whole day rotation.
Ordinary analoge clocks and watches are made for finer gradation of our waking hours (assuming the other "half" of the 24 hour day we are asleep).
Thanks Bob.
I do some astrophotography, and I find capturing to a laptop from the live view is the most flexible. You get fast exposures without the mirror flapping, and you can capture until the hard drive fills up. You also have the advantage of being able to control your mount if you're using one, so finding objects is easy if they're in the database.
Even before merging, that's CLEARLY the ISS in those pics. Great shots!!!
CLEARLY not a HOLOGRAM
Nice work Dave!!
Cheers Creaky, how's my favourite Welshman?
@@DaveMcKeegan Meh?!? Been better, been worse!!
@@CreakyBlinder yeah, life is no chocolate! (althought sometimes it does have the same color ;) )
@@CreakyBlinder Sorry to hear that bud, still it could be worse ... You could be a flerf 😉
@@CreakyBlinderi am still waiting on your first evidence in stead of butt smacks😂
Well done Dave. For those new to Dave's channel, he's a very talented photographer and his early RUclips days are all about photography. Well worth watching, you'll learn heaps.
thing called blue beam and professional liars need a new map while attempting to understand basic physics. earth is larger than jupiter or flat like kansas
@@jrcather5196 man do you ever just shut up
@@jrcather5196 can you re- word this? first sentence is hard to understand. and are you actually saying earth is flat and bigger than jupiter? or are you being facetious?
@@zhou_sei biblical earth either flat like kansas or larger than jupiter
@@jrcather5196 ok, but the bible says a lot of fictional stuff. why should i care what the bible says?
Back in 2007 I asked my father to help me spot the ISS. By the NASA website traxker it was supposed to be nearly overhead, and before the appropriate time we went outside. He spotted it first. He then commented about another object nearby that was "chasing" it. I informed him it was the space shuttle departing it, headed home.
I witnessed the same thing several times always the same distance away from it. If that was the shuttle I should not have been able to see it with my naked eyes being as far away as it is told to us to be. What I am seeing is much larger than a shuttle or both objects are way closer than we're told to be able to see from the ground without artificial magnifcation.
@@bruzrcruzr2004 it's a matter of brightness really. Those objects are high enough above the surface that they are reflecting sunlight, and the relative brightness of reflected sunlight (even a tiny speck) vs the night sky makes them visible even at that great distance.
@@omega5279 even simpler, the sun reflecting from a mirror or optic can be seen for miles though it might only be a couple inches square that one could not see from 500 yards without the reflection.
Did you guys wave at each other?
That is such a cool memory you two have!
"Rain for 40 days and 40 nights the best summer we've seen", I really laughed with that line
i've seen a ISS transit with my own eyes by accident (daylight, just a light speeding across the sky) and in the time it took me to verify it was really the ISS (checking orbit and location) it had traveled already 2k km. My mind was positively blown that day and i'll never forget it :D
I live in east Africa and today we had an ISS flyby, visible for 6 minutes on a perfectly clear evening sky. I use spotthestation and always eagerly await the iss passes. The people who think it's fake can't be helped
I was assigned to the space station program in Huntsville in 1996. Retired and living on the Olympic Peninsula now I occasionally see it transit overhead while taking a soak in the hot tub. The first time I saw it sent me to a satellite tracker where I confirmed it was the ISS. It would take about 20 seconds to capture the fly-by on camera from horizon to horizon - I can't imagine the coordination and timing you would need to capture it in front of the moon. Well done!
well, there's no need to imagine, as it's all clearly explained in this video: there's an app that does the calculations for you. The hardest part of it all, is setting your watch to the correct time exactly.
your dog is stealing focus for me haha .. little pup loving the rubbings :D
I predict he will not change his mind. You can not change the mind of someone who's already made a decision to believe things like this are fake.
It’s not a belief. It’s a fact
@@Globehoax Another "nuh uh" from you?
@@Globehoax cope harder
@@Globehoax A *game* fact.
In all seriousness, I'm sure all the engineers who worked on assembling the ISS (and thats a LOT of engineers) will be happy to hear their life is a lie.
@@peppermintgal4302 you so gullible
So nice that you included Andrew's picture of the ISS in front of the moon. He is such an amazing astrophotographer and as a fan of his work I love it being shown to more audiences!
02:00 "That wasn't the ISS, it was a firefly" - Pokie probably..
Shiney
For a first attempt, that shot was BANGING! Well done!
This to me is absolutely remarkable engineering and truly a man made wonder of the world. In some sense it’s understandable that some people refuse to believe it. I just wish Pokie would’ve had the intellectual curiosity and integrity to set up the experiment himself, instead of making someone else do all the hard work for him. Especially because of his taunting and mocking tone
The guy just made someone go out at night to take a picture of ISS, make a video about it and irritated thousands of people in the process just by posting a RUclips comment. I love him, you don't see such pure example of trolling much these days. And we all learned something new thanks to him!
Most people who are addicted to conspiracy theories are lazy and have low self-esteem. See, the best way to improve self-esteem is thru self-improvement, like working out, getting a better job, learning a new skill, getting a girlfriend, etc. But that requires too much work for their tastes. So instead, they get into conspiracy theories because it gives them an easy way to feel superior, as though they've stumbled upon some "hidden truth" that others weren't smart enough to uncover. The problem is, the sources they use to discover this "truth" are largely bunk, written by amateurs and quacks.
@@80s_Boombox_Collector slip of the tongue? Stumbled upon some hidden truth, you got that right… yes the truth is, earth has and always will be unequivocally an immovable plane less earthquakes in a closed system… I can’t speak for others who discovered it but I invest 2 hours a day on it. The other hours are being comfortably retired in Switzerland with a nice woman and standard poodle in absolute perfect health, non vaxed and 95% raw vegan, swimming, bicycling, tennis and yoga… The key is to staying out of hospitals and court rooms…Truth is truly heart warming,an enlightenment and a blessing… Peace…
@@FLATSWISS Slip of the tongue? Nope, there's no "hidden truth" in flat earth nonsense
@@80s_Boombox_Collector The truths were always known but were buried by the Royals, Vatican, Jesuits, Zionists and Freemasons for their power and control over the masses, their time is ending soon 500 years of this Santa Ball is enough… Todays optics are so good they have caught up with the lies and the optics will only keep getting better… don’t hold your breath waiting for the Space Agencies to finally put a man, woman and one from each of the other genders on The Cosmic Plasma Phenomenon aka The Moon… You being a NASA Fan Boy or Girl probably already believe they did that 6 times in the late 60’s & early 70’s … Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive… Peace…
I saw it during the last Shuttle mission to the ISS with my bare eyes, because in the area I was, was clearly visible the approximation of the shuttle during night fall (summer 2011). One can see perfectly two incredible bright objets one close to the other moving form west to east. Was nice and beautiful.
Congradulations! Now to the flat earth cult you are being paid by NASA to produce this video XD
Love the channel btw
If that was the case, he wouldn’t have needed to do the Squarespace ad🤣
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 He didn't "need" to do it. It's there for camouflage! 😁
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Nah, obviously it's just there to decieve you XD
Not actualy FE btw
Wait square space... Flat square...flat earth....
He admitted it!!! *grabs tin foil hat and runs to tell the fe community*
Clever of NASA to launder their money through SquareSpace!
Thats really good.
I struggle taking a picture of a bus
5:08 he was like "yes yes very interesting how about you transit your hand over here and pet me"
lol yess
Springer spaniels are excellent dogs. I grew up on a horse ranch that had a fairly wide range of dog breeds over the years, but when we took in (today people love to say 'rescue') a springer spaniel, I was genuinely surprised at what a great dog she (and eventually one of her pups) was.
If I had young kids, a springer would be on an incredible short list for a family dog.
You can lead a human to knowledge, but you can't make it think.
That sums up exactly why we're more likely to blow ourselves up than achieve FTL travel.
Thanks for the setup Raven, but i'll take it from here... Have you seen all this footage of na$a faking $pace?"
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I am shocked, SHOCKED!, that the challenger fails to accept this reality.
"It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person."
Bill Murray
Great video BTW keep em coming.
Wow, brilliant images for a first try!
Edit: that sounds condescending, and I really didn’t mean it to, I’m seriously impressed. I don’t have either the skill or the equipment to do that.
Thank you! Cheers!
Congrats. That was one of the most dogged and determined quests to pursue the truth I have ever witnessed. Methodical, patient and conclusive. Well done!
truth a lady can be sawed in half on stage. get over the jock ride
Your dog is an absolute gem. Every time you stop petting he doesn't give you more than 2 seconds before he paws for more. Love it.
@DaveMcKeegan Predictions for Pokie's most likely responces:
1. You never hear from him again
2. He replies that you "photoshopped" it so it is a fake (despite all the steps you took to avoid such claims as to them even touching up a photo makes it "fake")
3. Some variation of #2- where he otherwise denies the results.
Yep, that’s what I said. He will just scream “photoshop!!” Like all those idiots do
@@stevepopplewell6448 Yep. Never mind that Dave shows us the unaltered photos and one can still readily identify the ISS in them.
insert Creaky saying "C - G - I"... that's my prediction anyway
@@evilducks3710 hah! Uncomfortably closeup of eye
@@evilducks3710 Oh look, he responded- Dave pinned it!
Next video: Conspiracy Theorist promises to concede, if I get in the ISS ... So I did
I'd absolutely go for that!
Then when they reject that it'll be "promises to concede if I put them in the ISS" 😂
@@DaveMcKeegan We need Mr Beast for that. 😂
My older brother talked me into the Flat Earth thing, a few years ago. I was determined that, it was actually flat after looking at a few videos.
But because I love SciFi so much, I've decided to watch videos on both sides. Bought a telescope of my own (pretty cheap one), it got the job done.
1. The moon clearly wasn't transparent. Debunked that on my own.
2. Seen countless videos of the ISS going by doing its thing and showed my brother. He wasn't too interested. Oh well. Not arguing.
Those 2 things alone made me swiftly covert back after just one year. Then, I recently seen a video here were someone made a basketball look flat by zooming in on it level. Earth isn't flat.
That's good there are at least some people capable of critical thinking!
That is great to hear. As I always say : an honest flerf is an ex flerf.
Welcome back soldier 🫡 no shame in looking for answers. Glad you are back on our side
@@ReValveiT_01 ex flat earthers are the most dumbest of all! Just imagine waking up to a deception just to fall right bk into it again!! 😂
Ask your brother how meteorites pass through the dome, always a good one. He might say "meteorites don't exist". Then tell him to look up the Winchcombe meteorite 👍
Loved your dogs attempt to attract you attention, the look in his eyes says it all.
While watching this video, I could just read his mind and see speech bubbles of his thoughts. This would be a great take on this video.
If Pokie is a flerf then they won't concede, they will just move the goalposts
What is a flerf?
@@lyberth4366 Flat earther.
@@StellarisIgnis Thank you!
My first time stumbling across your vlog posts. First off, I find your dog so adorable and well behaved! So quiet, serene..
Secondly, I'm quite impressed by your equanimity in responding to the flat earthers (who seem to uniformly present their sides w/ insults to whoever they're chatting with who aren't flatters like them-your patience is remarkable I don't trust that I would have a comparable restraint).
More power to you! And thanks. The world needs more people like you!🎉
My main gripe with conspiracy theorists is that they are always way more smug and rude than the 'scientific elite' they are trying to debunk. I almost never hear academics boast about their 'intellectual superiority' or call people morons and sheep, yet most conspiracy theorists seem to start with that right off the bat, Pokie's original comment included. My gripe with Pokie isn't that he's wrong, it's that he's a deeply unpleasant person to interact with, which wouldn't be very persuasive even if he was right.
"Professor Dave" vs Flat Earth Dave. Watch it sometime if you want. Also in the conspiracy world. You have a lot of individuals who want attention and can't argue their point. I haven't watched this video and probably won't. I've seen something in the shy passing by also. But I've seen plenty of cgi glitches while their supposedly on the fake station. There is one where an astronaut goes by in the background. Supposedly floating. But you see he's using a harness. Just take a look into it sometime. Have a good one.
Huh. Interesting. My experience is the exact opposite.
See Neil Degrasse Tyson. The epitome of a smug, condescending "expert".
@@crungefactory I was more referring to people I've met in person. Tyson is more of a celebrity-podcaster than an academic. I'm not lumping Bill Nye in with career academics spending all their time publishing research in one narrow field. Besides, while celebrity-podcaster Tyson is pretty smug, he's generally less smug than the conspiracy theorist arguing with commentors just above us^
I have been saying time does not exist long before scientists built a telescope to prove it to them..
@@crungefactoryTo conspiracy theorists, anyone who refuse to believe in their nonsense is smug. Any proof shown is fake. Any established theory is a lie. Good to know that these people can vote and breed.
It’s actually easy to capture objects as they pass by in front of the moon. As an astrophotographer I’ve seen lots of satellites pass in front of a full moon. It’s done using a special camera that actually captures video of the moon and planets.
They cannot concede because there is no benefit to doing so for them, and it's far too expensive in terms of sunk cost. The psychology of conspiracy theorists seems well understood. Congrats on your transit photograph, and thank you for your respectful response to your comments.
Your view on conspiracy theorists is naive. Most will move on with new information, not all have cognitive dissonance.
@@spacesciencelabThat's just what the government WANTS us to think ;-). So you're saying there's hope ♥️
@@buidelrat132 No. These aliens are demons in guise of aliens.
@@spacesciencelab lmao good one
@@spacesciencelab he's actually spot on. Maybe a flat earther is capable of moving on with new information, but not if they don't allow new information through. In hundreds of videos and thousands of comments providing _indisputable_ evidence of the globe, I have yet to see a flerf do anything but deny, deflect, redirect, lie, mock, and rage quit. Flat earth is their safe zone - it isn't only a matter of having too much invested, it's that they perceive science as pushing God aside. Inside the dome, the universe is a size and age they can grasp. Outside of it they're insignificant, and the universe is terrifying and overwhelming. They _can't_ let contradictory data in, because their whole being depends on that psychological shield remaining intact.
While I haven’t taken a photo of a magnified ISS, I have seen it a few times with my naked eye, and the first time was when I watched the SpaceX Crew-2 launch in person. It was really surreal seeing the speed of this bright light that was the space station pass right over the crowd’s heads, knowing that four more astronauts were about to fly up to it. It was amazing. Hope I can one day get good enough hardware to see it like you did
pokie is the kind of person you can't satisfy with the truth, no matter how true you have to prove it to be
Fortunately, Dave is merely using the challenge as a means of demonstrating to normal folk how it could be done. It's probably something he always wanted to do, but was lacking the impetus. He seems supremely indifferent to whether Pokie accepts the results or not as Pokie isn't his intended audience. We are. That way he avoids getting caught up in a slanging match as do some other educators.
Exactly....these types are not conspiracy theorists...they are idiots
seems he just wanted his 5 mins of fame.
He will say it's fake but they will never accept reality anyway.
That is perfectly clear enough to make out the space station. Great sequence
The amateur radio repeater on the ISS can be received whenever it's in range - 437.800 MHz FM. Another way to verify its existence and to measure its speed via the Doppler shift.
Beautiful capture Dave and stunning for a first attempt. I have done a few of it crossing the Moon and Sun from various locations around Australia. It always happens exactly as predicted.
There are captures by other professional photographers years ago showing Shuttles in close proximity during the construction phase. I'll post some links in a follow up comment.
Hey, I'd like to see those links. :)
I just have no words to explain my cringe when you show to us the commentary of the flat earthers) It's hilarious) thanks for your work! Peace to all!
I love it. Kinda like anti-vaxxers or America's Republican party, it is a great way to identify really dumb people without having to converse with them. They're advertising how dumb they are without anyone putting in the effort to find out.
It goes deeper than that. Not only is the Earth flat but the whole Universe is flat!
@@1pcfred I mean, the universe it technically flat since space doesn't curve onto itself and has no corners. Obviously the earth is very much a spheroid.
@@Lord_and_Savior_Gay_Jesus The universe has to be a 3D shape since we can observe numerous galaxies moving in different directions which requires a three dimensional space. Well, okay a four dimensional space.
@@Lord_and_Savior_Gay_Jesus how can you have a 3D object in a flat plane? It's all flat!
Don't waste your time man, if you send a guy like pokie to the moon he will come back saying he was brainwashed and he is sure none of that really happened.
I bet he doesn't.
I was in chat for a live stream one night when someone mentioned the ISS was due over their house in a bit, so I looked to see where it was.
Turned out it was headed directly over my head in about two minutes. I watched it go by, and then went back to the chat where the other person on the other side of the atlantic then saw it pass over their house. Almost makes the massive planet feel tiny, then you compare it to anything else in the universe and realize you can't properly grasp "tiny".
in the end, we are but tiny, momentary specks in an indifferent universe.
same thing happened to me. I saw it's reflection bouncing off of my monitor. By the time I turned around to look it was at my chat buddies house and he caught the reflection off of the knife he was using to filet his mignon
@@Dichuz91 that means you are less than nothing. You may as well commit suicide as love can't be measured so there is no point to your existence WHATSOEVER
The ISS travels at like 17,000 mph or 28,000 kph. So it orbits the earth every 90 minutes
Considering we have Live Streamed from the ISS and had numerous tour videos and other types of vids from on the station, it is hard to believe people think it is a lie. It is trippy watching the people's hair and other things they show in demonstration in the low gravity of the station. At this point there is so much footage of the people on the station, it woudl be more difficult to fake than for it to just be real.
There's just too many stupid nutjobs out there. There was this person on tiktok who believed Rome didn't exist. You can't make up this kind of stupidity
never underestimate the power of motivated reasoning, especially with people who don't think generally apply critical thinking to their own beliefs. these people want to feel special, they want to feel smarter than other people.
Not taking any sides but anything can be faked with enough money. Space looks pretty darn real in movies. I mean Matt Damon was on Mars right:? NASAs budget is like 20 billion a year as opposed to a 300 million dollar movie.
This footage looks pretty good and is probably more proof than nasa has shown that its real but then you gotta say "well, how high above the earth is it really? Is the footage shown from it real?"
Theres always questions that can be asked. I dont doubt anything anymore, especially in this world gone nuts we live in.
@@codeninja1 "Space looks pretty darn real in movies" -- in spliced together segments of a handful of seconds each, specifically shot to cover up for discrepancies. It's easy to watch footage in space and see how different it is from movies.
"I dont doubt anything anymore, especially in this world gone nuts we live in." -- this mindset will do nothing except make you *extremely* vulnerable to misinformation and conspiracy theory nonsense.
@@unnamedenemy9 "these people want to feel special, they want to feel smarter than other people." I don't think that's it at all. If anything, I think it shows your obvious bias. I think people are suspicious of authority and are hesitant to believe everything they are told.
I love the dogs demanding arm taps for more strokies
i know how hard it is to only keep the moon in frame, so really well done! there is no doubt you captured the iss
I use to get to work at 6am every morning and almost every morning I could watch the ISS go by. It got to be a routine and the highlight of my work day. So when I heard people saying it wasn’t really up there it blew my mind how oblivious people could be
I’ll bet you live very northern US/southern CA. That’s the sweet spot to guarantee to see the ISS every morning before sunrise and evening after sunset. (Weather permitting).
@@bertpasquale5616 Michigan. It’s been several years ago.
I don't think Pokie will concede, but what I love about these videos, is they can catch people that may be susceptible to falling for the flerf bs, but get enlightened by interesteing facts beforehand whilst they still retain a shred of common sense. I do find it incredibly strange that so many flerfers could actually see what's what with their own eyeballs when they look into the sky, and apply a bit of knowledge and common sense, instead they completely cower from any real evidence at all and just scream 'I don't believe you' with their fingers in their ears, what an absolute bunch of belters
Nice catch, it's hard to photograph that stuff.
I spent an evening on a dock in rural Montana and watched the ISS cross the sky twice. It moves so quick and so straight that I don't get how anyone could think it's anything other than a satellite.
My prediction is that he'll say this lacks sufficient detail to positively identify and/or compare it to the "supposed" ISS, and therefore will say you failed to meet the terms of his challenge. He'll never concede. All the blustering he was doing in the comments of another of Dave's videos showed he was already setting up his excuses. (e.g. he went from saying Dave was trustworthy to calling him a liar, distorting what was written by Dave, etc.)
You are far more patient then I am with these types of people. I would have sent him a picture of the night sky with the word “gullible” hidden somewhere 😂 Good work!
Yes true lol. But his way is the only chance you have to win someone over. With mutual respect. This is something I've been learning myself finally
@@erichramone7812 I hear you. The trouble is, it’s hard to find someone who isn’t being totally disingenuous when they hold discussions where the points of view are different. Conversations have become contests. Whatcha gonna do? 🤷♂️ cheers 🍻
He'd have used the fact that you'd hidden a word in the picture as evidence that it was a fake picture
What’s amazing to me is that the original poster commented, congratulated Dave, but utterly deflected from conceding and upheld his conviction with absolutely no regard to the video.
“Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity.” -Michel de Montaigne
I once saw the ISS flash across the eyepiece of my telescope. I captured it by watching how it approached the crosshairs of my finder-scope then positioned the crosshairs as best I could to allow the ISS to pass through the centre. I got lucky.