Charming conspiracy theorist confused by reflections
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Wow. A voice on the TV claims that the Apollo 16 TV picture may be a mixture of real moon footage and simulations due to a wonderful new TV editing system Image Transform. I wonder if they would have made the same claim for Apollo 11,12,14 and 15? ruclips.net/video/7LYlR-GlfB8/видео.html
@@greenmii6000 remember when one documentary channel stated that spaghetti grow on trees? Or other channel, that stated that genocide of other nation is good?
People who use VPN's have no idea how the internet works. And people who shill dodgy VPN's are just parasites.
ruclips.net/video/XQqa3vSDjow/видео.html
Before Green Screen NASA fake ice particles and bits of paint coming off the spacecraft docking and undocking that silly conspiracy tin foil hat wearers thought might be ufos. Before the Flat Earth craze came up with more Craziness ruclips.net/video/DICfhf7k3WM/видео.html
The most impressive thing is how you understood anything that guy was saying.
His accent deserves to be in some kind of comedy museum or something. 😊
@@grokeffer6226 It's Dutch. Don't blame us, please. We're not all this dumb. :)
@@AbsoRuud76 Apologies, Sir, to you and the Dutch. It's just that his bizarre beliefs and the accent had me in tears.
@@grokeffer6226 Same here. I laugh at people whose Dutch accents are this bad!
Yeah I was thinking the same, I really didn't understand much of what he was saying. And no pretty sure that is not just due to a dutch accent
He may not be able to understand shadows or reflections, but his projection game is really strong.
It's in full IMAX and 5.2 surround
@@smaakjeks 9.1.4
😆 🤣 😂
But does it exceed his pizza sheet expertise?
Mirrors am hard!
"Each "each screw is in the same spot"
Yes, that's known as a _design._
That was such a face palm moment. Does this dude think they just put screws wherever like they're building a homemade bookshelf?
Imagine getting a new keyboard, looking at it, and being like, "WAIT WHAT!? THE KEYS ARE IN THE SAME SPOT!? DID THEY STEAL MY KEYBOARD AND SELL IT BACK TO ME???"
For those of us that watched the moon landings in real time when it happened, there was no question of it being fake - none at all.
Bill Kaysing got the Moon hoax thing started in the 70s. The hilarious thing is that Kaysing himself didn't even believe the nonsense he was spouting!
Hoaxers often use terms like "gullible" to describe those who know that the Apollo missions were real...
Must be real then - just as reel as C19 and other fairytales for dumb people.
While I get your point, as faking footage in those days was so easy to detect. But technically that is not true. As there were a few oddballs during the time that claimed just that. And a several more just within 5 years after the last trip to the moon in which I would see various doubts expressed on certain aspects on TV. Some people just simply could not believe, and so didn't regardless what was said or shown. Others had issues, quite often ignorance or lack of understanding the topic in question. Including many questioning several shadows, or ground beneath the lunar lander, etc. A majority of those just seemed silly to me. However, I recall one which did have me stumped. They demonstrated how difficult it would be to handle anything in those gloves on a surface with such atmosphere. And were claiming it would have been impossible to use a camera and take pictures. They shown a low pressure box with a glove in it and demonstrated how difficult it was to move their fingers, etc. and so would not have been able to press buttons, let alone hold a camera very well ..... until NASA explained they had already known that and worked out ways to accomplish the task. Which then it made since how it was done, and was no longer an issue.
Dementia is strong in this one
Cliff Mitchellmoores description of the mother ship dropping the pod (20000mph) velocity was very enthusiastic but clearly a bad attempt from a poor film crew .the issue being the pod dropped vertically no lateral momentum . every ten seconds a frame change gave a smaller size pod and repeated. Clearly nonsense broadcast by BBC's top presenter. Fake .
Crazy seeing people like this that are so self assured and confident in their super epic gotchas when it’s always just something that can be explained to an average 12 year old.
You can't argue with these people. They'll prove themselves wrong, but use that as further proof that they're right because they're morons.
Conspiracy Theorists: “ *Always* question everything!”
Also Conspiracy Theorists: “Don’t question *me* ! My assumptions are perfect!”
You've raised the bar - 8 to 10 years old, max. 😁
Nobody's more smugly certain of their absolute knowledge than someone who doesn't know a damned thing.
You have to lack basic knowledge about pretty much anything that could be classified as science, like optics etc., in order to be like this.
This guy must have his mind blown by the idiots on TikTok holding items behind a piece of paper against a mirror and marvelling at seeing their reflections.
Geeze that's so Plato.
Bro is probably shocked how people can cover their face and they disappear
That's something that always bothers me about conspiracy theorists. Firstly, they're incredibly good at faking things... except for leaving these obvious clues, and secondly, they can swear hundred or thousands of ppl to secrecy... but they can't silence one crank on the internet.
But when one of the cranks drops dead from a heart attack, the rest of the cranks claim that he was targeted by the infamous NASA wetwork team and that they better all go off-grid because the black helicopters must be coming for them.
And the other point is why? Why lie? Why do this? Why fake space missions when it would so much easier and cheaper to just not fly any and say its impossible?
AKA "What is the point?"
Professor Dave covered exactly this topic in his series about disproving the flat earth without using science series.
Look at any of the videos of EXPatTaffy. Everything about them is the things he thinks he sees ‘photoshopped’ and/or left in the scene for him to find and expose the hoax.
@@RichWoods23 Sadly you are dead on with that seeing they did just that when Rob Skiba got himself killed by Covid.
Not nice to label him a crank, the man's entitled to his opinion whether you agree with him or not.
People who went to the Moon in that flimsy looking thing and the people who enabled it were real pioneers.
You said it buddy.
Indeed. They went with precisely what they needed and not a scrap more. It'll be interesting to see how the return landings evolve over the next few years.
That "flimsy looking thing" had an aluminium chassis centimetres thick. The skin of an airliner is a mere 2cm of aluminium. The shell of the rockets were also centimeters thin, and they had to withstand the forces of liftoff and pressure differential of high-speed flight. But the moon module didn't have enormous forces acting on it and went through a vacuum meaning it didn't have to contend with any atmosphere that might tear it apart.
And oh, haven't you heard the saying: "Looks can be deceiving"?
One thing I have noticed over the years is that the people who are knowledgeable or even experts in their field never find it necessary to shout abuse. If, for example, Neil DeGrasse Tyson were to be questioned about the universe by somebody who had perhaps misunderstood something he would respond with facts and explain why and where the questioner had got it wrong. I don't think the would tell that person that they are a pizza sheet. The moment somebody starts using this sort of language you can safely dismiss everything else they might have to say.
Well, they've had to deal with flat earthers, so it's understandable. Also, Neil is sort of a dick anyway, so I dunno if he's really the most fair example.
Thats why I appreciate dave so much. Hes had all manner of nasty language and abuse thrown at him, yet continues to remain calm and professional. Stating fact rather than his own opinion (of course with a bit of witty humour thrown in).
They are using one of their favourite logical fallacies as an argument - Ad Hominem with a sprinkle of Appeal To Ridicule.
Or as we say in Sweden - when out of arguments, use your fists.
@@masonjohnson4310 Oh, so you know Neil DeGrasse Tyson personally? Or have you just mistaken his excitement for science as something inappropriate?
@@ScalarRUclips For the most part, flat earthers live in the gutter. I love it when Dave here, and others, draw them out into the “evil heliocentric sunlight”.
Someday these Flerfs will be viewed the same way as the Heaven’s Gate and Jim Jones cults.
"a dishonest pizza sheet" - gotta remember that one. It's priceless!!!
Yup, that was great
@@MrMarco855 Sounds like you're offended by Pizza Sheets and also a bit jealous, actually.
“Dude, are you an expired Domino’s coupon? Because you’re a useless pizza chit!”
Or whatever pizza joint you like more. Just not Pizza Hut. Kinda gives away the punchline.
Remember when they finally admitted that pro wrestling was fake, but the hard core fans just carried on believing it was real anyway ?
🤔🤨😶yeah I got nothing
Dave, keep up the great work. The last time I "conversed" with flat earthers was over the first spacewalk - helmet movement. I showed them the difference between the space suit designs (the NASA descriptions for suit candidates through the different programs were available through a google search) and for my time and effort, I won the glorious label of "sock puppet" and was blocked. I've never tried again. They're hopeless...
Let's not forget that this denial is coming from the same guy who didn't understand timezones.
As a Dutch person I'd like to apologize for my fellow Dutch man, Quimfy aka 'dorpsgek'.
Yeah, he's just trollin the internet for attention. With his bad English...
Never apologize for someone else, he should apologize to the trees that provide him with oxygen, lol!
"As a Dutch person I'd like to apologize"
And so do I. Most of us are quite nice people really...
Every Dutch person I’ve ever met were both very nice and very intelligent. That poor soul must be the exception on both counts.
@@vinny142 I work in retail, most of us are nice, but there are a lot of assholes too
Conspiracy theorists don't use logic, they find one small thing and focus on it, putting their own spin on it until it fits their narrative, at the same time using abuse as a poor attempt to silence those that actually make good points they don't like. Love it! Keep it up.
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Funny how in the last ten years so many conspiracy theories have been proven correct and true, and that the masses were so easily fooled by such a small number of people. I think with what the entire world has went through in the past ten years that we would either stop using the term Conspiracy Theorists in a negative connotation or hold these people up as enlightened heroes for speaking out against controlling evil organizations and governments. Just the past three years has had more than its share of intentional misinformation by our government, its leaders and its media. I find it troubling that at the onset of the worldwide spread of that virus that those of us who suspected it came from an accidental lab breach were deemed conspiracy theorist, called flat-earthers, called xenophobes, racists, nazis, and later accused of being anti-vaxers for declining a shot that was untested, unproven and claims were made that were unscientific, but eventually it was discovered to be very harmful to a great number of people. The supposed vaccine did not stop the transmission of the virus, but rather fulfilled the plan of filling the pockets of the pharmaceutical giants with billions of dollars. The so called pandemic, which was not as nearly destructive as influenza, led to an array of social and economic troubles throughout the world, and also took away rights and freedoms (and at times employment) of everyday people by authoritarians in control. I find it a badge of honor NOW to be called a conspiracy theorist back then… I have been one of a few that could see through the b.s. that all of you were so willing to believe and so easily fooled. Do I believe all of the supposed theories of conspiring activities? Certainly not. But… I am certain that more than half of what we are told are lies and deceptions. We all need to start questioning why it is happening. What is the purpose of all of the deception? There is a bigger agenda. Look at the headlines without listening to the lies, then ask yourself why are they saying this. What could be nefarious about this? The answers will shock you.
No crater or burn marks underneath the landing capsule on the moon. Focus is important.
Pressurized space suits have no wrinkles.
A ridiculous comment we can analyze the data whilst the normies accept what they are told. In fact, because we understand all of the logical fallacies we can spot when we are being lied to. You evidently cannot.
On behalf of the rest of the Dutch, I apologise that our education system pooped out such a turd.
With such a detailed understanding of how reflections work, I guess it‘s just a matter of a few weeks until that guy can prove that his own mirror image is fake.
He’ll notice that his facial features seem transposed from left to right - an obvious blunder by programmers of the Matrix!
Wait until he discovers that he has been shaving the face of the wrong guy all this time!
I think that he doesn’t have a reflection.
He'd say his mirror image is fake because when he shouts "pizza sheet", it doesn't shout it too.
_"that guy can prove that his own mirror image is fake."_ No, the guy is too dumb for that. He will stay convinced there is a guy living in the mirror.
So one of his arguments is, "this highly technical, sophisticated, multi-million dollar vessel, specifically manufactured to high degrees of tolerance on an intricately designed level... is similar to other highly technical, sophisticated, multi-million dollar vessels, specifically manufactured to high degrees of tolerance on an intricately designed level, built in series in the same building right next to each other."
Truly, a genius walks amongst us. Wonder if he's ever seen the inside of a car manufacturing factory. Shit would blow his goddamn mind.
They tried to claim the vehicles were the exact same ones, but I saw the differences in the details immediately. Their refutation is quite literally staring at them in the face, and it's funny.
These deniers think that "hand built" means they are supposed to have bolts in different places and not look the way they do
@@jessicathompson2914 I agree. "these 2 dents are the same, in the same place" I looked at the image he was looking at and saw two different dents in two different places. I don't get it. What is it with these people? Are they just lacking basic perceptions or are they pathologically imprisoned within their need to be right?
@@ShizukuSeiji As far as I can tell they so want to see it as fake they’ll say anything as long as at a glance it looks right.
@ShizukuSeiji bingo! Those dents were the things I used to determine that what they said was wrong.
Mr. McKeegan, I wanna thank you for what you do; as someone who used to doubt (although not downright disbelieve) we’d gone to the moon, what you and others like you do, really helped me. I subscribed to your page today, I hope it helps your numbers so you can keep doing what you’re doing. I love science and I love the truth.
From the accent I take away that you’re British; the fact that you defend what America accomplished, (although be it not alone and not just for Americans) as an American, it helped me trust your lack of bias and that you just want to tell the truth.
When one is subject to something it’s difficult to be objective, but when we’re standing on the outside of a problem our perspective is clearer. You’ve lent us your perspective.
That you don’t abuse people who abuse you, when you prove them wrong, you just use the facts; is something I really respect. If you’re ever tempted to do so, don’t ever stoop to that level. It’s too easy.
Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words Pluckio, much appreciated
@@DaveMcKeegan Hello Dave - love your videos. I would love to see one on the lunar rover and the cooling system of the backpacks.
I'm curious what made you skeptical in the first place? Just a general distrust of the government? Perhaps you saw a post somewhere on the internet and it seemed sort of convincing? It's good these videos exist and you can see how the evidence itself really shows you the reality. By the end of this decade there will no longer be moon landing skeptics. Look at what's going on with not just Artemis but NASA's latest plan with SpaceX as well.
I admire the amount of work you put into debunking these fools.
Well done and I admire how you destroy his ranting with normal, well explained reasons.
Given his obvious confusion over reflections, admittedly in a curved visor, I'm guessing this chap is also someone who might have posted one of those 'how can the mirror see this thing I've hidden from it using a piece of paper?' videos that are going around just now.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Oh god... not those idiots :|
I am almost afraid to ask
I've just had to look up the mirror thing (I'd not heard of it). Wow ...
@@paulgrant7221 Indeed. Its scary how little many people actually think about the world around them.
The indicator for when you have them against the ropes is they start throwing the insults first and the counter points afterwards.
usually conspiracy theories revolve around opaque subjects, hidden or classified. The Lunar Landings have so much information for everyone to glean that I would think it would be extremely difficult to hold the 'conspiracy' lens over these events. Frankly, I'm impressed with their stupidity but even more impressed with their boldness and blatant lies. Thanks for putting them in their place.
As I've said with most conspiracy theories/theorists. They're not stupid. Nobody is that stupid. They know full well they're wrong about this which is why they never look at anyone elses sources, stay on one topic long enough to reach it's conclusion of take into account obvious flaws in their arguments. They're not smart enough to discover/invent anything on their own so to fill the void in their literal meaningless lives they pretend to have discovered something despite knowing full well what they're saying is wrong.
@@Sin_Shadow_Fox That's a good take on it. I've divided conspiracy theorists into 2 types 1) The liars and 2) the irredeemably stupid. I honestly do think some of them really believe their own nonsense.
@@ShizukuSeiji And some of them are not liars but are deluded into believing the liars' videos.
@@sourisvoleur4854 "sheeple"
@@Sin_Shadow_Fox Yes that's a good explanation. It's terrible that for whatever reason they have to carry on like this.
Dave , I followed the Moon Landing hoax back when the original Fox "documentary" came out , but your work is some of the best and most concise debunking I've ever seen - keep up the great work
Hang on, so Fox broadcast a "documentary" purporting to show that the US moon landings were faked? That wasn't very patriotic of them, was it? 😄
Wow. Fox broadcast this? What a surprise that they would broadcast lies
So, you're talking about the one that came out in the early 70s, based on real photos? That's the one you're referring to?
@@JavaBum No Fox in the US produced a Moon Hoax "documentary" around 2000 or so it was total drek, It didn't help that it included Bart Siebel the godfather of Moon Hoax conspiracy
@@JavaBum There was no "Fox" in the 1970s. The Fox TV documentary was 2001.
"Pizza Sheet" 🤣 Love your content, and love how spoiled your pup is. 💙
I can't not smile at that floppy goofball basking in attention
Oh no! A flerf caught lying. I am much surprised. 😏
#GottaLieToFlerf 😂
I used to be sceptical about man going to the moon, but since watching your series, I realized how naive I was! So thanks!!
You still seem like someone who needs to be continually told how to think and regularly reassured. How draining.
@@section7173 "You still seem like someone who needs to be continually told how to think and regularly reassured."
Interesting interpretation. I read it as someone who was open to changing their mind when shown evidence.
@@section7173 Says the Trumpster who votes republicunt and any of the biggest political parties and whom the biggest media companies tell you to vote for.
@@maxfan1591 No, no. you see, when someone agrees with me they are an intelligent independent thinker who sees through the bullshit. When they disagree with me, they are a sheep that simply believes what they are told without any critical thought.
@@maxfan1591 When the facts change, people change their minds - what do you do?
The more someone calls you names, insults your intelligence and your ancestry... the more that individual feels threatened by you and the more insecure they feel.
I seriously had to re-watch 2:00 to 3:00 like 5 times to figure out what the hell they thought the problem was. Just over and over again I'm thinking "Why has he drawn this extra shadow in?" Just absolutely mind boggling that somebody can be so confused about something so trivial.
I'm still not sure _why_ he thinks this way. I guess the angle of the shadows appears to be different due to the curved visor, so he assumed they must be different shadows, so he assumed the one in the visor must be cast by the thing it's obviously not being cast by, so he assumed it was fake? That's the best I've got, and it's _still_ astonishingly dumb.
He «think» that way because he have an indefensible narrative to save.
Yeah, I continue to miss his point. Why would the shadow be there? Did he just come up with an idea there should be a shadow there, and as he couldn't find a source for the shadow, it's all bogus now? I-- I ugh, huh? I am a quite conspiracy-minded myself. I like to entertain a lot of them, however, the moon landing isn't one of the "real" ones. Although I have the 2020 election, CoV source, leftist overtake of the government & big corporations, and other real ones to focus on, so I am more than happy to accept the moon landing as not a conspiracy.
the moon landing denier should probably go outside and look at shadows more often
" it's still astonishingly dumb."
Summed up the whole thing in 4 words.
I can't tell if I'm having a hard time understanding him because he's speaking complete gibberish, or because his profound developmental disorder and accompanying speech impediment make it damn near impossible to tell what words he's actually saying.
8:53 - it's interesting to actually compare the changes between those pictures. As we can see, on _Apollo_ 16 the vertical panels have been secured with one bolt in the middle, which clearly wasn't enough, since we can see that some of them have popped out during the landing. Probably because of that, the panels on _Apollo_ 17 are secured with _two_ bolts each now 🙂
I love watching you debunk conspiracy theories, you're do it in way that's there just to purely educate instead of humiliate. Makes your arguments feel so much stronger
oh the humiliation is there alright, just done in a very low key British way :)
@ShizukuSeiji I can sense the snarkiness but contrasted to the people trying to debunk him, he is incredibly polite
Is that Borat trying(and failing) to debunk the moon landing.
That pizza sheet is verrry niiiice!!! It was made by maaahhh wiiiiife!!!
10:26 what type of soup can is this? (its an Apollo landing module not a soup can) is this a trailer?
A great success.
What is this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this? And this?
@@peacelove1854 It absholutely ish Goldmember.
At the end you touched on my favorite callout when dealing with the NASA critics, they cant be both a ridiculously fundend all powerful boogeyman style entity, and also so dumb and bad at execution that they make glaringly obvious mistakes and are too lazy to edit out of fix them before sharing the images.
Something that I've actually heard people claim when confronted with that question is that according to their "satanic religion" they have to make minor mistakes like that or they have to make the "truth" public in at least some capacity, at which point they're free to continue lying about it.
This idea justifies the conspiracy theorist's confirmation bias because to them, they're just seeking out the one true thing that NASA (or any other bogeyman they want to choose) puts out, and they're just avoiding the "lies."
That's the funniest thing about conspiracy nutjobs. They believe all of it, even when they contradict themselves.
The enemiy is strong and we must unite to fight them, but the enemy is also weak and we are naturally superior.
I feel like I've heard this before...
@@notamoron2246 indeed, I've heard 9/11 truthers tell me all about antigravity thermite. At least, that's what's needed for their thermite to magically go sideways to cut steel girders.
After all, thermite is only molten burning iron. If it's flowing sideways, it has to have antigravity, otherwise it'd just do what thermite always has done when I used it - go down.
And of course, they know more than those of us who have done explosive demolitions...
Meanwhile, the real history behind the lunar program is entertaining enough. Suppressed as much as possible was how often astronauts fell. The center of gravity on their environmental support units and suits was rubbish, being "designed" as creatures that evolved under 1 G and no rubbish center of gravity additions, walking just wasn't in the cards, so of course they fell a lot.
Then, there was the DoD request to the then recently graduated Carl Sagan, to model the effects of a thermonuclear detonation on the lunar surface as a show of strength.
The results, ahem, disappointed the DoD folks, as it would've been like someone setting off a photo flash inside of a stadium, while trying to see it from an airplane flying 30000 feet overhead. No air, no impressive fireball.
You get a boo from me. Now all you need is to visit your clinician to include the star part.
I like the way you think Dave. I AM that person who knows that EVERY 'speck' of info on the Apollo missions is online, free for all to see, and I would happily go through the photos and compare. I enjoy the hunt. Each time I see a moon landing denier say some dumb thing, I know I can just do a tiny bit of research and find the answer for him. He doesn't WANT to see the answer, but I know it is always there.
The one who doesn't want to understand, will NOT understand. The image beautilfully depicted on Buzz Aldrin's helmet visor is a specular one. That is, it corresponds to the same image a mirror would have produced had it been placed on the site Buzz Aldrin was stepping on at the moment of the shot, with the only difference that it is limited to the surface of the visor and at the same time, distorted by the visor's spheroid curved surface.
The sun is behind, up and to the left of Aldrin, so it projects Aldrin's shadow towards Armstrong, who is standing in front of Aldrin, shooting the camera. So, the long shadow shown on the visor is Aldrin's one, even lenghtened by the curvature of the visor. Armstrong's shadow is behind him... since Armstrong is looking at Aldrin and toward the sun that's behind Aldrin, at the same time. You can try to repeat the same yourself, using a mirror the size of the visor placed in front of your face, giving your back to the morning sun and asking somebody in front of you to take you a photograph with a mobile. You'll see your own shadow going towards the one who is taking the shot on the mirror... but it'll look much shorter since the mirror is supposed to be a flat one.
If you don't want to believe, if all of that had been done in a studio, the sequence had been the same with the sole exception that the sun would have been a projector. There's no mysterious error that proves a conspiracy... Men were on the Moon and they are going to return there. All the feble proofs exposed by the conspiracy theorists are just junk. I believe it is time to cease this true affront on the memory of the ten crews (Apollos 8 through 17) that risked their lives to go there. And most of all, Americans would have to learn to honor the memory of those heros at least as much as I do even being from a foreigner origin!
I love that you have such a calm and composed demeanor when responding. It's far more impressive than resorting to swearing and disrespect. Your exemplary models of even the simplest concepts and your in-depth knowledge of fascinating technological facts from various eras are the reasons why I love watching your content. You are a great, keap doing what you do!!!
Totally agree.
@@susancorbett8155 Dave Mc is a shining gem atop the RUclips debate dung heap.
You've highlighted that QNFE's ignorance is more than just willful.
Well done.
He is one of those RUclips flat earth grifters who are truly stupid.
In 1997, I was a technical officer at the Engineering Faculty on Monash University. One thing I love the most there was the lunch time banter with the doctors and professors. Not what we have now but then one could express an opinion no matter how bizarre and it gets dissected and we look at other hypothesis. Some of those hypothesis are then made to theories and experiments were made.
One of those discussions were the introduction of the conspiracy theory of the lunar landing and because we're an engineering faculty, the professors which actually included the dean then were to make an experiment regarding this theory. In the discussion was the moon as they were to have a Lunar Laser retroflector.
We managed to source the equipment including the laser which required special permits by the state and federal governments (which is why the dean was involved). Please note that this was well before Wikipedia, therefore we sent emails directly to NASA and they responded with the co-ordinates of all their retroflectors to the heads of departments. The engineers created the appropriate equipment that would point the laser at the correct co-ordinates within 5 metres. The laser was then the state of the art and powerful enough to reflect back to earth.
The Vice Chancellor gave the approval to set the experiment on top of their main "Menzies Building" and the weather was great for one evening to the Apollo 11 site as it is the lunar landing that is being questioned and it is also east to position the laser to. The equipment was installed, tested and believed to be working. We have set the positioning to the site exactly and the dean had the honours in enabling the laser. The laser fired towards the moon and 2 seconds later the receiving unit which was 2 metres away received the signal. It was a good solid signal. This indicated that something on the moon reflected the laser and back to the point. We also had another similar receiving unit on the CSIRO side of the university (practically the other side 800 metres away where they were experimenting some new fangled wireless networking technology which is now called WiFi) so see if they could receive any signals simultaneously... apparently there was no signal. When we switched off the laser, two seconds later the receiving signal stopped. This correlated several times therefore concluding that the receiving signal is indeed the laser we produced and not an anomaly.
We then positioned the laser 10 metres away to the north, south, east and west from the site and the signal was basically barren. Interestingly we made it this time 3 metres away and the signal was scattered or patriated. We then point the laser 800 metres away and the signal was the same to 10 metres... barren. This drew the following conclusions.
As the position what NASA provided us as a university there is something retroflecting, not just reflecting where the beam is returning back to basically the same source location. This could not be lunar dust as the 8 metres and 800 metres proved that the dust would not reflect let alone retroflect. The unit has to be placed by something or some being which the best conclusion would be the Apollo 11 astronauts.
my favourite thing about conspiracy theorists is that none of them agree with eachother but pretend they do to “unite against a common enemy” of normal people who consistently believe the same truth, while in reality each individual conspiracy theorist won’t agree on every single detail with another theorist because they all make up their own reality from a million different theories that they personally consumed, but they’d never debate it among themselves because they’re too busy arguing with science
One of the first jobs after landing was to inspect and photograph the lander for assessing mission critical damage and to review and upgrade the next lander if required.
Yeah and then they destroyed all the technology LMFAO
@@johnchapman8131 They used all the tech that was needed then the program ended. No point keeping obsolete tech.
You still using the first phone you ever owned? Why not?
@@johnchapman8131 Obsolete technology disappears all the time. When was the last time you used a Tube TV?
That said. The tech still exists. The budget did not.
You know you need the fabrication to make the tech, right? Like... you don't just put a schematic of a Saturn V into a replicator and get a rocket, ready to go.
In fact, a lot of tech used today completely defeats the tech of then. We've had many successful unmanned missions to the other planets. Your "the technology was destroyed" claim is a claim only spouted by retards.
@@johnchapman8131 In the UK, we destroyed all the technology for making steam trains in the 1960s. It doesn't mean that steam trains didn't exist.
@@johnchapman8131 There is more processing power in my calculator than was ever used in any of the Apollo missions. Why would NASA hold onto technology after it became out-of-date?
Furthermore, the people working for NASA at the time weren't thinking about the historical significance of their machines. They didn't look at the lunar landers and think "that will be a historical artifact some day". They just saw them as tools of scientific endeavour. And when those tools had served their purpose, NASA scrapped them and built new ones. It was only later, when the space race had cooled down, that people started looking back at these machines with historical hindsight, and started serious attempts at preserving them.
Yes, when there is a light, there are corresponding shadows. And, in that photo, there is only a single light, the Sun, and a single set of shadows, all parallel to one another. So, that buffoon can't shadow in addition of all of his other can't.
We expect the screws to be on the same spots as they are attached to a frame that have pre-drilled holes for those screws. He also can't screw.
#GottaLieToFlerf after all.
That both of his parents could screw is the real unfortunate part of this.
I fully believed in the Apollo missions up until I downloaded TikTok. For a while I started to question it all. Thanks Dave for pulling me back to reality. I’ve learned a lot from you.
Delete that app lmao
T____T
This is either tongue in cheek or a cautionary tale and I honestly don't know which
That's because you've seen the contrast between the rational argument (here's all the evidence proving they went) vs the irrational argument (here's me manipulating you to trick you into believing it's a conspiracy). When you have a reasonable argument it's pretty easy to sway even most skeptical people. Some cannot be helped, they are to be laughed at or pitied, you take your pick.
Did he just fail to understand how a mirror works?
Flerf rotated and changed image to prove his point. There is a chance that he knows.
That's what happens when your brain is leaking out of your ear. DERP.
One of my favorites is a photo from Apollo 12 when they walked over to the Surveyor probe. The grainy xerox pic the conspirator used “showed” stage lights reflected in his visor… No. of course not. When you look at the original photo on film, it’s the underside of the solar array reflecting in his visor. But they used a photo from Life magazine for their “proof”
Well they use a scan of a scan of a scan. So no details are clear. They live in a blur.
They don't seem to realise how difficult it was to "re-touch" photographs in those days. Some poor sod in the Life magazine photo-studio probably worked on that cover shot for a week to clean it up for publication.
You realize you've introduced a new insult into the flerf-insulting lexicon right? "Pizza sheet" is going to be everywhere soon. I love it!
Think I might have to create a t-shirt 🤣
@@DaveMcKeegan Now that would be a cheesy joke.
Excellent video. Gotta subscribe. Gotta watch some more videos from you Dave. In the 1980s i was in the US Navy working at Naval air station Point Mugu California. We had a Grumman aerospace engineer technical representative who was a civillian who worked with us assisting us on the more difficult work we encountered on our F-14a aircraft. His name is George Vengrouski. He told us he formerly had done some of the electrical wiring on some of the lunar landers that are yet still on the moon. He told us most all the electrical connections were gold plated. I was an aircraft electrician at that time and a young man. I'm now 60 years old and not gullible in the least. There seems to be a force in the world to discredit earlier generations accomplishments. I wondered why this is so. Its sort of pathetic. I had thought, its jealousy. But now thanks to Elon Musk, his generation has some things he has done to be proud of. I'm just perplexed at a number of other weird things out there. Beliefs or disbeliefs. Gotta scan through your past videos and see if you covered any. I WILL be sharing! 😮😮 thx.
Also, after i wrote this, i looked through your videos and found some flat earth refutes. But the rest is all about cameras or equipment. I thought when i viewed this video, you'd have a bunch of the real conspiracies and / or reverse conspiracies refuted in your most circumspect or thorough way. But i didn't see much. Flat earth is crazy. People see pictures of asteroids and other irregular stellar bodies and then turn around and think globe earthers are claiming the earth is like a glass sphere molded to be perfectly round. Therefore, it's not because math used for perfectly round ones doesn't work. Duh. The earth isn't perfect. There are some hills and valleys, right folks. There are some concave places on the surface. Even the oceans, while they are pulled by the moon, have flat regions where lasers can shine more miles than if the entire model was static. Duh. Anyway, Dave. You are an awesome educator. Gifted with the ability to orchestrate a cohesive circumspect argument on behalf of ideas. Some of which are at great peril in the minds of the people. If you watch some Dr. Kent Hovind, there are a bunch of things to prove out. He already does a pretty thorough job, but the evil forces have discredited him some. We need a syerioscopic force to speak up on these historical fallacies and set the records straight. It's maybe you.
Dave is a great newish addition to flerf destruction videos. We all know the deniers won't even watch the rebuttals but he has to do them for the fence sitters. The fact that he's a photography expert adds another tool to the debunkers. Flerfs will be like Lloyd in Dumb and Dumber scene, where he puts his fingers in his ears and shouts, NA NA NA NA so they can't hear the truth.
The fact that these people have to verbally attack you with middleschool levels of profanity and toilet humor mean that have failed at life, and need to get one. Keep up the good work Dave.
And their voice sounds like they were intoxicated.
possibly
I now fully accept that this is the best earth/apollo explanation youtube channel on the globe
Incredibly its the best on pizza (sheet) Earth as well.
I am seriously amazed by the number of people who cant wrap their minds around mirrors. How do they drive? Are they just bewildered by the rear-views on their car and reflections in store windows?
he's calling you a pizza sheet when he himself is a whole pizzeria
I would be shocked if the Lunar Modules are different to each other.
You should ask him what car he drives or any vehicle he owns. Then ask to compare it to another one of the same make and model. If he says if it's all the same, then ask if him owning a car is fake.
Imagine not building things to specifications. Well, you'd be out of luck to replace a headlamp or anything on your car. That was actually an issue when cars were handmade so basically everything was bespoke to a particular car. Any replacement parts, therefore, would need to be modified.
Cars have different license plates. Lunar modules didn't have license plates, there for flat erf.
@@creamwobbly There are some cars that run for several generations with very few changes but we're typically not talking about your run of the mill production car.
@@Unethical.Dodgson Fair comment but the point still stands. It was a\ vehicle built to a design specification and that specification changed in a few certain areas between missions. Its somewhat analogous to a BMW without air con and the same model the next year having aircon. You upgrade stuff that is considered important. (in one case to a moon mission, in the other case to customer demand).
I just realized who he sounds like. He sounds like the French tech support guy from that one episode of IT Crowd.
The conspirators have to be both staggering brilliant, and abysmally stupid, at the same time.
The conspiracy involves unlimited resources, and yet cuts massive corners.
The conspiracy involves everyone in the world except the conspiracy theorist.
The incredibly powerful yet totally weak (enemy) ideas sound a lot like fascism.
That guy sounds exactly like I imagined a flat earther would sound like
5:00 You could have also pointed out any light behind Neil Armstrong would not only cast Aldrin's shadow (which we do not see) but would also also be clearly reflected in the darkness of Buzz's visor just above Armstrong's reflection.
It’s obvious they never both to think the implications of what they stay through. Seeing they think the reflection was added ‘in post’ I’m sure they think it was shot separate.
In addition, a light bright enough would also light up Aldrin’s suit much brighter than it is in the pic.
Add reflections and shadows to the ever-growing list of things that flatheads continually struggle to comprehend.
Pretty sure those are already on the list, alongside mostly everything else.
If conspiracy theorists spent a quarter as much time trying to proof their nutty ideas as they did coming up with third grade insults they'd not be conspiracy theorists any longer.
Or applying their self-proclaimed 'critical thinking' to the junk that they gullibly consume and regurgitate.
Leads with ad hominem attack... says it all.
Thank you, Dave, for your expertise, patience and grace in dealing with lesser ‘men’. (And for having such a Glorious Pupper. ❤️)
Love how his cute Amsterdam accent doesn't go away when he tries to speak English 🤣🤣🤣🤣
like im dutch myself and have a small accent speaking english but i have to try really really hard to even come close to his xD
@@D3MON1CBLACK 🤣🤣
I thought the accent sounded sort of Dutch haha… This one definitely brings shame to us Dutchies.
His monotone delivery with his terrible english grammer had me captivated the whole time ;)
Definitely not an accent. Zaanstreek yes, but not an accent (just like Creaky)
This is the most attention anyone has ever given that Queen Fee guy.
That was awesome. Thank you! Quinfy proudly stands atop Mount Stupid on the Dunning-Kruger graph.
He's at the top of the bell end is the correct phrase.
some people who watched 60's space tv shows will never comprehend the difference of what reality is vs. fantasy.
He's a real pizza sheet and a liar for doctoring that photograph.
I doubt he modified it. Most likely he is just regurgitating something he found on RUclips. That particular "proof of a hoax" has been around for a while.
@@robadams1645 He did doctor it, he has previous form for it. He is, undoubtedly an 🤡ID ,ten ,T #GottaLieToFlerf ©2023 MCToon 🤡.
You've done an Angry Photographer, having somehow strayed from photography into more esoteric zones of science and thought, except in your case you are right on the ball! I really admire how you approach and reason with these theorists.
Once again, OUTSTANDING JOB DAVE! You never fail to impress and educate me. I also enjoyed how the Flat Earther's ridiculous Dutch accent made him sound like he was doing a comedy routine (my apologies to the rest of the Dutch who are not Flat Earthers).
"Dutch who are not Flat Earthers"
Though comically they are the ones who'd have the best reason to be!
He's just a dishonest Pannekoek!
And indeed, most land is flat here, but we do have to take in account curvature! 😉
In fact, his accent is so over the top that it feels like he is making it that bad on purpose. It hurts my ears listening to it.
I wonder if he is just trolling. Hard to tell sometimes.
Perhaps he was dropped on his head at birth. His attitude and understanding of basic physics suggests the two brain cells he does have, are fighting for attention. Still, entertaining though
It’s great to see the arguments of people who live on the left peak of the Dunning Kruger curve get destroyed with demonstrations. Keep up the good work.
When the deniers have to misrepresent evidence to give their claims something resembling credibility. Gotta lie to whatever this guy is doing
"When the deniers have to misrepresent evidence to give their claims something resembling credibility"
Have they ever done anything else?
I love the distinct difference between people who use their brains for logic vs people who use their brains for conspiracy theories. The latter uses blatant insults as if that helps them make a point, and gives nothing constructive, while the former uses passive aggressive insults and actually explains things while being passive aggressive. In this case, aggression is deserved.
Unfortunately your observation is false... I choose to watch Dave's videos for the very reason that he never engages in ad hominem, but there a numerous de-bunkers who are painful to watch due to their nasty, belittling remarks - Prof. Dave springs to mind as one of the worst.
@@2besavedcom-7 Agree. I gave up with Prof Dave for that reason. His videos while technically excellent made me cringe.
@@ShizukuSeiji - I have FE freinds and they are not stupid people. I just think they have such a lack of trust in "higher" positions and they look through a telescope and "can see further" than they should and need some logical and verifiable reminders that will help them see reason. I cannot recommend videos where the presenter is downright rude and arrogant!
@@2besavedcom-7 A lack of trust in 'higher positions' will become a receipe for disaster in their future lives. It should not stop them from researching things and thinking.
@@gunternetzer9621 - Exactly the opposite... There are plenty of warnings in a certain Book regarding the "trust in man" and its consequences.
I do love how these flatards cannot mentally visualise something so simple as a shadow on another body in space
Main thing that upsets me about moon landing deniers is the fact they don’t think we’re as technically advance as we are. Landing on the moon is one of the greatest things we’ve accomplished, saddening to see there’s people who call it bs
The education system has a lot to answer for in the last 50 odd years.
What cant flerfs or conspiracy folks ever be civil or try and discuss things without resorting to name calling? Its like they are all 7 year olds.
Funny that...
Excellent content Dave. Thanks.
NASA producers needs to look into their continuity personnel department for letting such blunders slip through on their movie sets.
I'm convinced that all of these flerfs and moon landing deniers are people who all failed math and science back in high school, but have decided that this is their way to feel superior to those who didn't.
That's a lot of it - insecurity.
So...the "idiot" caller forgot to take into account that the VISOR IS A ROUND MIRROR!
I knew that when I was 10 year old!!!!!
Aaaaaargh!!!
A leading Estonian flat earther once swore to beat me to the emergency room. It was years ago. Still waiting.
I mean I can understand the wait, covid restrictions meant he couldn’t have any visitors while he was in the A&E. Don’t know why he thought it was a good idea to 1, injure himself and 2, it was a race.
I have a friend that is a moon landing denier (among other conspiracies). Just won’t listen to any reason. Gets all mad and starts banging on about the Van Allen belts etc. He even thinks the USA pay Russia a yearly fee to maintain the secret. 🤷🏻♂️
You’d think Russia could afford more tanks if that was the case.
Now here is a question.
Let's pretend that whole space race (or just the moon landings) never happened and US paid Soviets.
Why they did it?
What did US achieved by doing so?
@@XtreeM_FaiL "Well control obviously they want to keep the population believing the lie!"
But *why*?
"Shut the fuck up you NASA sheep"
Friend of mine, when we were discussing via email Antivaxxers...
"If there was any reasoning with Antivaxxers...
There wouldn't BE Antivaxxers!"
That goes for ALL conspiracy BS. Including creationists!
And so... why is this person still your "friend"? I had two cousins and a bro "de-friend" me on FB. I dumped some other person that I really didn't know. She accused me and another FB "friend" of mine of ganging up on her. Didn't need her negativity.
So. Conspiracy nutbars have some things in common. CORRELATION only. Often they are poorly educated. Yup. My bro and the one cuz and the crackpot I dumped. They believe ONE conspiracy and that snowballs into more. My bro again. I don't know about the others.
"the USA pay Russia a yearly fee to maintain the secret..." Hmmm... That is a new one to me. Thanks.
@@XtreeM_FaiL they could pretend to be Superior to the USSR / Russia. Of course it is bullshit, but it would be Logic.
But of course it would raise the question, how much money they take to be always shown as loosers of the space race.....
I love moon landing deniers, they are so incredibly passionate about things they simply don't want to understand. They have made up their mind, and that's it. They'll live their whole life being ridiculed and laughed at, and that just fuels them into a deeper hole of stupidity.
P.S. I love your videos, and your sooky dog is the BEST
1 shadow PER OBJECT = 1 SUN
Great job, I enjoy the evidence combined with restraint.
Quimfy(?)’s voice makes me want to rip my ears off…I can feel my IQ dropping with every syllable.
Yeah, I felt like sticking knitting needles into my eardrums but then I thought of stabbing him in the throat instead.
I got a headache listening.
Is the flerf drunk? Or did he get kicked in the head by a drunk mule?
Why not both?
He IS the drunk mule.
Logic (and an actual background related to subject matter) are the bane of the feeble minded. Keep up the good work, Dave. Love your work!
I love this guy’s insults. “You look like a door salesman!” Instant classic meme stuff right there!!
"Hello, I notice you seem to have a house. May I interest you in a door? We have many types, styles and colors available."
“I used to work in catflaps until my boss grew the business”
@@edwardsummey8843 Yes please. My neighbor is a flerf and he sure could use a new door.
Do you have a bolt-on one with no hinges and no door handle? And could you fit it while he is at home, please?
he's got to be joking ... if not then he could be easily out witted by a yoghurt
Flerfs say the most illogical things and then end the sentence with, "it's logic."
He doesn't understand reflections on curved surfaces.
Awesome, another fine video, sounds like Dave's detractor is Mike Myers Goldmember character
"Pizza sheet" is now my go-to Internet insult. Thank you for this.
Also, obsessing over Rusty is pretty much unavoidable. Give pat on head from me.
Why do these flat-earthers always sound like they're drunk?
Low IQ
Every white Honda Accord is secretly the same Honda Accord. Honda only built one, and then re-sold it thousands of times to gullible people who never noticed it disappear whenever anyone else wanted to use it. As proof, I point out that every fastener and wiring harness is identical. IDENTICAL!
@Jacob Tothe ✅😊
Eye opening!
The Honda Accord Conspiracy® is considerably more plausible than any of the Apollo ones!
10:56 flying debris also shows how the color camera worked: Rotating color wheel in a B&W camera.
@Harry the Hatchet Hopkirk
The color TV around 7:34 you see a 6 color wheel with 3 pairs of colors
ruclips.net/video/msWnY2zKS9o/видео.html
QNFE's voice reminds me of Flat Earth Banjo's, although it manages to be even more irritating than Eric Dubay's. That is an achievement of the lowest water.
I had to replay the shadows bit of the video a few times to be really sure QNFE did do what you said as his explanation is barely more than a few hints. I agree he says the big shadow in Buzz's visor is of the photographer. DOH! I think it is because he thinks the picture in the visor has been added and that has blinded QNFE to any other possibility. QNFE seems to say the little astronaut in the visor is actually Buzz with the shadow going the wrong way to the main picture. Thus the visor and the main picture contradict each other and it is clearly fake. QNFE is wrong.
The visor picture makes sense if you remember the visor is a curved surface that squishes the reflection. The little astronaut is Neil rather than Buzz, and the twelve o'clock line is from Buzz's feet at the bottom of the visor then out to Neil. Buzz's shadow is to the left of that line in the visor. As Buzz is facing us that makes it to his right just like his shadow in the main picture. The curve of the visor has squished the view so the angle is much smaller in the visor. In the visor the slight difference in line between Neil's shadow and Buzz's shadow is perfectly conistent with perspective. No contradiction and so not a reason to regard it as fake.
A guy that sounds like that and can barely work 3D software and can't figure out which end of a microphone to talk into... yeah that guy is the guy to talk to about science!
What a charming man.
Thank you for keeping your vids professional and void of any profanity or putting focus on making fun of flat earthers but rather stick to evidence and explanation. This allows me to share this video with a greater audience.
Great content. Keep up the good fight, brother.
Have you covered the effect in that photo showing the brightest light on the ground being around the head of the shadow of Buzz reflected in the visor? This is really cool physics effect which you can also see from a plane looking down at the shadow of the plane on clouds below or any similar situation and arises from the light being reflected back more effectively directly back to the source. I forget what the name of this is…google reminded me, it’s a glory. The fact that shows up in the /reflection/ showing from Buzz perspective, the light is correctly coming from a single bright source behind him and correctly reflecting a glory matching his shadow AND all the other shadows being correct - oh, and if I recall, this picture also has a tiny blue dot in the reflection in the visor in space, which is barely visible, but when you model the exact date time and location on the surface, it actually aligns with where earth would be in the visor reflection - a detail which if I recall, wasn’t spotted until something like the 2000s - and we’re expected to believe NASA took the trouble to work that out and include it in the set as a little Easter egg for people to discover 30+ years later?
I love this photo because it’s the two of them on the moon, and with that blue dot, it’s also the whole of humanity and it’s history - minus just one person who isn’t in the photo…and it has the glory, and it demonstrates the physics of the reflected light in Buzz’s suit and…it’s frickin’ awesome.
The glory is also visible around the shadow of the LEM in videos of the take off.
And why is that? Because it was a real photo. Simple as.
damn, the way rusty reaches for your hand when you start explaining and stop scratching… i wanna give him love too