Farewell Flat Earth - Ultimate photographic proof?
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Correction: In the original video I did state RAW files can't be altered yet kept as RAW files, as a few people have pointed out, this is incorrect and so I've cut those parts out of the video
RAW files can technically be altered, the key point still remains though that debunking this footage requires actual evidence that the files have been changed or that there are errors somewhere in the 1338 different files
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LOL, ruclips.net/video/K4ov3oS5BPE/видео.html , World Record Flat Earth Proof Israel to Crete 616 Miles. There, I just debunked your undebunkable fantasy world.
A very good presentation Dave. Subscribed.
I expect a universal "nuh uh" response from the flat earth tribe.
Next, Flat Earthers are going to claim that NASA has some special photo editing software that actually can export as the same filetypes as raw images. If an image is stored in a computer as a series of ones and zeros, then it could theoretically be altered - though I imagine this process would truly be a pain to undertake if the raw filetypes have such depth to them. [Disclaimer: I believe Earth is an oblate spheroid.]
@@Sacrid_Author I mean, every camera capable of saving to RAW formats has software capable of saving to RAW files running on it. So... Yeah, while the grand conspiracy is a ridiculous idea -- trying to make an argument that it's impossible to save NEF files is just a misguided way to go about things at the best of times. He done goofed a bit.
Now, to say that NASA is editing millions of RAW files just to fool you, yeah, they might just as well go into space and just make those photos because it is in all likelihood way cheaper. :P
You can edit raw files, there just is no common software around allowing you to do it because there is no point to it. If NASA were fake it would not be that hard for them to fake NEF files. Still faking it to would not be easy. In order to make it look real you would have too come up with a data stream that looks like one from a cameras sensor
from a purely technical standpoint I once "edited" a NEF, just for fun. I used a hex editor to insert a punch of 0s and marvel at the strange artifacts that produced. The file was still readable by ordinary raw image viewers so yes you can edit NEFs and other RAWs just fine from a Technical standpoint, making edits that are meaningful or look realistic would be much harder tough
FIY i am not a flerf or anything
If you believe this is undebunkable. You have seriously underestimated the mindset of flat earthers.
Yes, way too sophisticated for them to grasp let alone grapple with. I like the more common sense approaches where you make basic observations about the sky and watch them devolve into talking about personal domes and other nonsense.
It is undebunkable, they just make up some bullshit, piss their pants, and claim victory
Simple debunk for flat earthers - NASA has the secret ability to create and edit their own various raw files and can easily change meta data, etc.
They say that nasa fake their missions for money and control.
but they never asked what is the point of wasting billions of dollars on fake (real) missions?
Yup. Simply FAKE 😅
You could send flat earthers onto the ISS, and they'd claim earth is flat, and the ISS is fake
And claiming all they witness are just Hollywood special effect
I seriously think they should be strapped to weather balloons, Baumgartner style, to see for themselves
Only if you give them enough oxygen….
Then they will be rejected by the rest
@@ChaosPootato You already had me sold on getting them strapped to weather balloons, but why stop at the stratosphere? Send them farther. Much farther.
Nothing is undebunkable for a flat earther. When you’re crazy, nothing is undebunkable.
Use the scientific method, You use Pseudo-Science mumbo jumbo and fantasy!
Reckon you've seen 1 toooo many Star Trek and star wars film!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@morpheus2913 Predict a single celestial phenomenon with your model. You and your community of truth knowers have yet to predict one. In this regard its infinity to zero globists to flerfers.
@@nathanhensinger6645
Heres a simple celestial question for you...
As it is a well established fact that nothing can be measured without a single fixed point of reference...
How was it possible to measure anything if everything in the heliocentric model is supposedly moving...
Earth allaged rotation 1k mph
Earth alleged speed 66.6k mph
Sun alleged speed 500k+ mph
So what fixed point did your priests of Psuedo-Science use to measure all thet satanic numbers crap with???
And do not say its not satanic because 666 comes up way..... Too much for it NOT to be!
@@nathanhensinger6645 infinity is a fantasy number.
@rondarstak8602 Study up on calculus. Your statement shows you know little about math.
My Father used to say, Nothing is foolproof to a determined enough fool.....
Awesome! This is a great saying and sums up the problem. I will quote your dad. Greetings to your father!
flat earthers would deny their own hands and feet if they proved the earth was round
They already deny their eyes.
@@alm5966 at that point.. the earth looks round because your eye balls are round .. duh
Well, flat earthers need to start denying their hands and feet then.
They already do, their hands can spin a globe, and their feet can walk around the Earth.
@@sirboredom1012 Their brains also.
I just wanted to say that I really appreciate how nice you are while debunking. Being rude doesn't help trying to convince people of things. I wish more people would try and be nice when discussing things.
Everyone who makes debunking videos about science deniers start out nice. Speaking to flat earthers is corrosive to one's patience for stupidity.
You’ll find that the majority of sane, science-based debunkers (normal globe believing people) are often the nicest ones in debates and videos…
It’s the flatearthers who swear, scream, insult, ridicule, and generally try to humiliate globers by yelling disgusting profanity at them etc…
That’s the problem ! People who understand science and can read don’t need to throw around disgraceful language and horrendous behaviour to show we are right 😉
🌎🌍🌏
I've seen a hundreds of flat earthers and destroyed them, yet no one of them convinced me.
Anyone who has any dealings with the flat earth cult will soon realise being nice gets you nowhere.
Well, some of those degenerates definitely deserve to be insulted.
They’ll still say it’s fake. they don’t debunk, they deny.
But they CALL and THINK of it AS de-bunking, more's the pity...
@@user-yp2ps3gn3xthey really don't think they just assume they're right because they can't comprehend it.
With lots of time, they still can fly a camera down in Australia and show us they’re driving upside down and being held up by gravity. Please brother, you’re being fooled just like the American election system. Go bend a knee to your masters. 😂
This is NASA and Disney working together showcasing the next level CGI which will be rolled out in up coming years.
@@armondtanz But some of the footage is 10 + years old!
As a professional 3D artist working in visual effects for 25+ years, I can tell you - - and any flat earth believer - that their claims of "cgi" are utter and complete b.s. Not just with this particular video, but all of them. It is laughable and they clearly have no idea what it takes. I was a supervisor on many films, including Tron Legacy and Oblivion - and the amount of work is..insane.
Right? They act like cgi is far more advanced than it really is. All the respect for what you guys do for movies. I can't imagine how hard it is.
Both excellent movies, you have my gratitude good sir 🫡
The White House allocated $25.4 billion to NASA in its federal budget request for fiscal year 2025, which was released today (March 11). That's a 2% increase over the $24.9 billion the agency is getting for fiscal 2024, an amount that was enacted by Congress just last Friday (March 8).
Yea, you would need hundreds of millions of dollars a day and a dedicated staff of artists, wait…NASA has that.
@@darkdakrioadenitis9688 and?
What I really love is the cognitive dissonance which has Flat Earthers simultaneously believing that NASA could *perfectly* fake every single one of those images, yet forget to crop out bubbles and wires.
and that nasa apparently had modern cgi in the 60s to allow them to fake everything from the start and then have 60 years to advance that cgi and still have such basic and horrible mistakes now is amusing
It's a surprising level of hypocrisy
@@dotdot2560EXACTLY. Like computer graphics back then was IMO worse than super Mario 64 for the Nintendo64. And didn’t nvidia mathematically prove that it was physically impossible at the time
Or that they would hire Stanley Kubrick to fake the moon landings, but he would choose to mock up a LEM that looks rickety and thrown together.
Not to mention there's like 76 other space agencies around the world that many have no affiliation w NASA or US govt
This has become one of my favourite channels over the past month. Your non-aggressive debunking is such a joy to watch and I also get to learn a bunch about cameras and how fascinating they can be. Keep up the great work!
There's a bit of a misconception here about RAW files. They can in principle be edited (in fact, people edit metadata of RAW files commonly). The fact Photoshop doesn't mess with them isn't proof positive that no software can.
But yeah, it's a good channel.
@@tomaszwota1465 One of the benefits of a raw file (NEF in the case of Nikon) is that as you process the raw data into a viewable image, the raw data remains unchanged. So the output from the manipulation of the NEF data must be saved in a different file form (tiff, jpeg, etc.) and the original raw file remains intact and unchanged.
altering metadata is a different thing, really..
@@tomaszwota1465 I see what you're saying about "in principle" raw files being edited if you include their metadata but metadata doesn't affect the image data contained within a raw file, and what is meant when we say raw files can't be "edited."
@@_JeffMart Raw image data can also be edited. What exactly stands in the way of doing so?
@@crckdns Yes, but that's not an inherent limitation. You can just edit the raw data in that NEF or save the edited version to a new NEF/RAW format. Nothing is stopping you - data is data - it's just that it's not something people working with these files deem useful.
You WANT to keep the RAW file in it's original state because that's the _function_ of a _raw_ file. Not because it cannot be done, but because it's useful to NOT do that.
You could send them into space and they’ll say they’re still on earth in a studio and everything they see out the window is CGI.
Why cant there be a flat earth CGI? Their absolute BEST attempt looks like a first graders paper mobile
THAN bring me one proof for a globe, fast spinning water curving space crossing ball, one will do. Here you've got 200 proves for the FLAT EARTH, can you count, sheep believing in a non proven 500 year old theory are sick!
ruclips.net/video/N9CQPMOzeRs/видео.html
Why do that when there are 9,494 satelties in orbit yet we don't have a cable TV channel broadcasting the rotation of the earth 24/7
@@luigiconder6113we actually do
@@luigiconder6113ring laser gyroscope measure and detect the earth s rotation
Because no one is funding it. Those who think that the earth is not a sphere do not have the same opportunities that the brainwashers of the entire population of the flat earth have.
Nothing is un-debunkable to a flat earther. Once they have gone through the 5 stages of grief trying to come up with reasons for why something is fake, there is the ultimate "Nu Uh" - which debunks everything.
As an aside, it seems, to me, that many flat earthers are stuck at the Angry stage.
CC would fall into that category.
I was going to reply before I finished reading your comment that they never seem to get out of the angry stage lol
The sunrise and sunset is enough to debunk flat Earth, and they have no problems lying about what they actually see: “the sub gradually fades into a tiny dot” or “perspective” or even “buoyancy”. When I ask why the lower half of the sun gets blocked during a sunset (and what’s blocking it?), I get ghosted.
I don't even know why you'd want to believe that silliness.
The most undebunkable thing I've ever seen is from the 2022 Tonga volcano eruption. It caused a pressure wave to circle the Earth.
My amateur weather station in my back garden picked it up from 16,000 km away after 14 hours. It also picked up the pressure wave coming from the other direction a few hours later.
On the app the weather station is connected to you can view other people's weather stations. Every single one of them I checked picked up the pressure wave at an appropriate time based on their distance from Tonga.
So either every single amateur weather station on Earth was compromised by Big Globe... or we live on a spinning ball.
A angry spinning ball ;)
Damn! Now THAT's cool as heck!
A flattard would argue that the shockwave bounced from the ice wall or the glass dome
Very cool info, but yeah, they will still deny it and claim its compromised/faked data. At this point, the number of people that would have to be "in on it" in regards to a globe conspiracy is mindboggling.
Networked observing is awesome. :)
I tried looking at the world through the flat earthers point of view, but I just couldn't get my head that far up my ass.
With lots of time, they still can fly a camera down in Australia and show us they’re driving upside down and being held up by gravity. Please brother, you’re being fooled just like the American election system. Go bend a knee to your masters. 😂
try harder🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
because they don't believe in asscheeks because asscheeks are round
You have a better chance of getting your head around the U-bend of your toilet than getting your head around Flat Earth logic.
I was a flat earther once. Then I turned 4.
Setting aside the whole flat earth thing, it’s still really cool to see stuff done by NASA presented and explained. I always learn something from your videos. Thank you!
video footage of na$a faking $pace, maybe you'll learn something if you analyze it:
/watch?v=qqNFr-Z4Gbw
If we're being honest these videos are NEVER intended for flat earthers because this is even more pointless than arguing to a wall which in addition constantly cusses and spits at you. These videos are made for people who know the Earth is a globe but wanna learn more about space, spaceflight, photography, geography and so much more which stems from these explanations
Yeah that's what I'm here for, to learn fun stuff about space and cameras. Who cares what flat earthers think, I don't think most of them believe it themselves, they just like to argue on the internet.
@@mihan2dI respectfully disagree. I think Dave actually does want to educate flat earthers, unlike others such as SciManDan who seem to mostly enjoy insulting people. I really appreciate that Dave (mostly) refrains from personal jabs.
@@truthsmiles Well SciManDan pisses me off too because when I saw his videos I was hoping he would explain the phenomenons in question but instead all he did was to stoop to their level and start barking. Nowadays his content is a bit more educational but still miles behind Dave's content anyway. As for Dave, he can only educate people who WANT to learn something as opposed to flerfs who ACTIVELY shut themselves off from any new information. That might work on gullible people who are on the fence though.
It’s probably easier to make a real ISS than to fake all these photos and videos with such consistency and precision
not probably... for sure
Good point!
Easier to actually go to the Moon to fake the footage than fake it in a studio.
Mitchell & Webb
Yes, the hours and time it would take to do is not consistent with them uploading 24 /7 people think cgi is made quick. No it isn’t it takes ages to do small bits. That’s why movies and shows take so long to film. To get so much cgi footage out all the time everyday would be so expensive. Ok so they would probly say oh NASA is is rich. But the time thing they could not prove because to do what they do it would take a bunch of speed of light magicians to produce that cgi every minute of every day! It can’t be done. We are not that advanced. They are taking as gospel the bible which was written by men in a patriarchal society. Jesus and God would be horrified about the things so called religious people have done in their name. Its ridiculous. People need to read Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsh. Interesting books.
exactly, why go through all that trouble just to fake it? If it was all fake shouldnt have needed to do any of that in the first place.... we never went to the moon for as long as we have been around, why now? because we have rockets? then they are acknkowledging that it IS actually possible because we have rockets lol
They have an ace up their sleeve: they'll say Satan used magic to fake it.
_"PhoTosHoP, HOaX, CGI!"_
Flatearthers will undoubtedly overestimate the potential of computer graphics.
yeah, the Flash movie is a real example of that
I've seen a LOT of comments where people are completely missing the point. I'm a 20-year software engineer, and yes, we all know that files can be edited. We all know that even encrypted .bin files can be cracked. We all know that no file format is "safe" from those of us with enough reason and time. The point that Dave is making when he says these are impossible to fake is that the work that would be involved to create a file with this much sensor data, that has no flaws, whose details can be scrutinized so closely, and who light values can be changed to reveal various details, would take an ENORMOUS amount of time to create. And that's just ONE file. To create the thousands that would all have to be generated individually with the exact "next frame" details would be mind-bogglingly difficult. I'm not aware of any software in existence today that can generate CGI good enough to hold up to this kind of scrutiny. And forget about doing this shit by hand. Not happening AT ALL.
So calm down, software people. We know you can create and edit these files given enough time. But if you really think you are editing them to this level of realism, or even worse, generating them from scratch with this level of detail, you are treading close to being in the realm of the flat earthers.
Exactly.
If you claim it can be faked, repeat it. Create the Thousands of photo's that Exactly match the lighting, texture, reflections, weather etc, etc that Exactly match reality of the Earth at the time of the photo...
See you in 10 years or so...
Also, if the content was indeed fake, they could have achieved substantial cost savings by not making every frame available for download in RAW format.
Even if they were faked, the amount of time it would take to make these photos manually would mean it's unlikely the cloud formations on the earth would line up exactly with where the weather is being tracked on the given day and time and position the photos were taken.
I totally agree with you there.
Absolutely true, BUT... these people think that because something might theoretically be possible, then that's exactly what they're doing.
They'll ignore silly questions like "why would NASA bother doing all that".
I have to play devil's advocate for a moment. If somebody with enough time and money wanted to create software that could export one of these RAW files without needing the actual camera, it could totally be done. Just because no consumer software can do that at the moment, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That being said, obviously I don't think these are fake. I'm just saying, I wouldn't say it is impossible to fake them either.
Yeah, it's probably possible to pay off canon to get their exact encoding scheme... Still pretty much impossible to fake tho...
exiftool can edit metadata from .NEF files.
To fake all of NASA's photos/videos, it would cost FAR more than their budget and include massive teams of artists. Flerfers believe you just click a few buttons and bam, perfect image appears.
Yes you are correct. The Flerf's just say CGI but they have no idea how much work and time goes into making just a few seconds of CGI for a movie.
@@robbarton7972ou can see the guy’s fingers droop for a couple frames as his hand impacts the iPad, showing his hand hit a real object and not a CGI object.
As an amateur astronomer I use the space station orbiting times to not get it in my view, it’s possible to see it with binoculars or even a basic scope.
Flat earthers say its either a plane, or some kind of a holorgram being projected across the sky. They dont even believe their own eyes when they see something for themselves
@@Salamandra40k Yes they do really talk rubbish. You really couldn’t make it up, but they constantly do.😆😂😆
@@tonib5899 I wonder how many of them will be 'converted' in the USA at this upcoming total solar eclipse on April 8.
@@WotchTheWerldBern Plenty is my guess. 😂😂👍
@@WotchTheWerldBernwow already the last eclipse is the one that debunked globe for me lol cant wait for the 8th of april
Maybe we should just let them have their flat earth. Then tell them to keep walking west. With any luck they’ll fall of the bloody edge.
I'm a CS major. We actually had a course on image processing. While it is true that conventional software doesn't allow saving to a new falsely raw file, it doesn't mean that it's impossible to either edit it with your own solution or by creating a plugin for any software of your choice. Having raw files is very compelling and I personally agree that it's too much effort to fake them, but it's not impossible like you claim. Data is just that - data. Unless the manufacturer has taken significant steps towards anti-tampering encryption measures, you can modify the file with just a little know-how.
The thing is even if those files had some cryptographic signature to validate their authenticity, it would still not be enough for most flat earthers, because maybe the evil cabal who makes these images know the details on how to sign their fabricated files. It'll never end.
I have little doubt that someone has already written such software for data recovery purposes.
@@flecks_piano oh, yeah, for sure! I'm just speaking to the argument's validity, not how to convince the unconvincable, lol.
My thought exactly. It would not be beyond the NSA or agencies in other governments to make raw files from scratch. It may be difficult, but you know that Big Globe (TM) will do anything to make the sheeple believe the lie. No amount of evidence will convince the vast majority of those who know THE TRUTH that they are wrong but one can keep trying.
I agree on that, the thought of : Raw cant be edited because main software cant do it.
As a professional that has worked on some of the largest VFX projects in the world, including some that attempted to recreate space in very high fidelity, I have to say that if anyone thinks Hollywood can recreate this level of detail, they are SORELY mistaken.
I'm only an amateur 3D artist playing around with Blender, but you're going to have to break that one down for me. I'll agree up front that faking true RAW pictures is very hard if not impossible (at least I have no idea how to fake that). Not because of the file format or the meta data, but because 3D renderers bake in the white balance, colour space etc.
I feel like the level of detail in the pictures and the reflections and stuff are totally doable though. You'd need a couple of really good shader experts and a monster of a render farm to get those pictures rendered in a reasonable time, but it's possible. Gravity was pretty much there. All this would need in that respect is higher res textures and all of those tiny details can be done procedurally (that's what you're paying your shader experts for right?), but this would essentially be a single scene at a very low framerate.
@@Hugh.Manatee If you tried to model space and zero gravity, without people, is one thing, but once you try combining the real and the 'fake', such as people flying around and interacting with things, is where it becomes neigh on impossible. There will always be some inconsistency that will be able to be scrutinized, because even technology of today is very far from perfect.
Were you the janitor on these projects? 🤔
A supernatural ability of NASA to fake footage is a least implausible part of the theory.
@@C4... Haha, the nice thing about the internet is we don’t have to reveal who we are, but you will find me on the credit of both Gravity and The Martian, for those who know it’s already enough to tell who I am ;)
Trying to convince flat earthers their wrong is like climbing Everest naked in one hour.
So not impossible? 😉
Everest is the stage name of my stripper girlfriend..
@@DaveMcKeegan LMAO
@@DaveMcKeegan 🤣🤣🤣
There is a much deeper reason why flat earthers can't admit that they are wrong.
mental illness.
When I was more conspiracy inclined years ago, this would not have convinced me. It would be too technical, things I would not have knowledge of, and I would simply think "well you say you can't save raw files, but they might have some means of doing that anyway".
So I don't think you'll ever convince somebody totally lost in conspiracy land. There's always something that's not 100% provable and they'll latch onto that.
But all evidence might stack up for the not totally lost, and will prevent them from being so. One can hope
Exactly. The enemy is always insanely advanced and has unlimited resources, but the enemy is also obsessed with sticking in weird upside down messages and are making elementary "errors" even a student wouldn't make. Someone without any experience can always sit atop Mount Dunning-Kruger and pretend to be an expert.
People can be reasoned out of positions they are not reasoned into, it happens all the time: flat earth, religion, cults, etc.
People who are being scammed will often get angry at the person who proves they are being scammed.
Not a flerf just curious, is it possible that an edited file is "formatted"(not sure what the right word can be used here) with the same name as the raw file?
@@notjeff7833 it's entirely possible to generate any file of any extension provided you know how they are encoded, and as far as I understand .nef files have a pretty well known encoding and it wouldn't be far-fetch that one could write some software to generate one from a fabricated image.
It would be some insanely complicated work to generate these thousands of images with the window smudges and the dead pixels and very realistic depictions of a globe earth, but definitely not impossible.
The most saddening part of the arguments flat earthers use is that it seems to stem from a fundamental misunderstanding( or an inability to understand in some cases) of gravity.
Gravity doesn’t exist . How can you understand something that doesn’t exist?! 🎉
@@SilverCityEnt508 Can you match observations of objects falling due to gravity with any other phenomena? Probably not, but I'd like to see you try.
@@SilverCityEnt508it literally does
@@SilverCityEnt508 false, it does exist.
@@SilverCityEnt508 false, gravity does exist. Your denial doesn’t change that
You can't prove anything to people who think everything other people do is a scam. You can just tell them how to prove those things for themselves.
Normal people:
Makes good sense.
Flat earthers:
Very simple. NASA makes the website, they can write the EXIF data them selves and edit the EXIF on the files...
And then after NASA faked the photographs, they arranged for the weather across the surface in every country to line up with the cloud formations, dust density, forest fires, nighttime traffic and pollution depicted in the faked photographs. Down to day, hour, minute and the second. But when you're faking a space mission, that's the effort you have to commit. They mastered it faking the moon landing: there would be a fake painted Earth visible in certain photographs, and to make the illusion seamless, NASA would then arrange later that the weather across the entire real Earth would mimic perfectly the fake painting at exactly the right time.
I like how your dog thinks you're talking to yourself and is trying to comfort you. "My poor humans mental illness is acting up again."
😂
I bet that dog suffers from severe seperation anxiety when he walks out the door.
Flat earthers will just call this fake.
Man. You do so much overestimate flat-earthers' intellectual abilities.
flat earthers are the definition of: "source: trust me bro"
Or "Do your own research" by watching other flat earthers 😆
@@bullwyrk they sit in an echo chamber
@@bullwyrk "do your own research" proponents are often the worst at doing their own research because they had an idiot, themselves, teach them how to research.
@@RandomRothbardian 😂 hope they stay there so we can have more content
Gravity is real. Source : trust me bro
Once a person is emotionally and sometimes financially invested in an idea, no amount of evidence can be presented that will change their mind.
Precisely. The "Sunk Cost" Fallacy is rampant in that space.
Exactly, that's why they start the ball earth propaganda on children early. Look how many of you still can't break free from it.
Just like the Holobunga
religion comes to mind
@@Reprint001
pretty much! when sheople don't *KNOW* they 'believe' whatever they're told to believe
"Nuh uh" - Flat earther rebuttal
I love how informative this vid is, but you know the flerfs will just say the RAW file is altered anyway.
I have reached a point in this continuing saga where I am thoroughly convinced that if you took a flat earther into space, then on a spacewalk... They would happily remove their helmet to prove you were faking it
Several flerfs have stated that even if someone took them so space, they would assume that they were drugged or something like that.
no youd take yours off cuz nasa told you there was oxygen there
@@yupok318 which is weird, because they say the opposite...
But hey, gotta lie to flerf.
@@Alysm-Aviation nasa claims that the moon is within the brand new improved atmosphere
@@yupok318 the fact that you bring this up surely means you also looked up the amount of air that is present at that height...
Oh wait, you're a flerf, of course you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't attempt to strawman the globe.
We already said farewell to flat earth when sunsets were discovered
I'm still waiting for them to explain 24 hours day light simultaneously at both North and South poles on the equinox.
@SpazzyMcKenzie On the day of the equinox both poles will have the sun at the horizon and going around ,then one will observe it get below while the other will observe 24hours sunlight for almost 6 months
Study the Law of Perspective
@@darkdakrioadenitis9688 already did. It says perspective can’t physically obstruct things
. and that it should decrease angular size.
@@user-hf9jr1qm4i atmospheric lensing
I have a friend who joined that cult. It's exhausting!! Send me stuff all the time telling me how I'm ignorant for not believing the earth is flat
They don't even know that the true ignorants are them. And they won't accept it even if you prove it obvious.
But well, it's time for *you* to send this video. I'd like to see his reaction, lol.
I have met people who have been in space and have touched things that have been to space because I don’t stay in my basement trying to disprove globe 🌎 earth !
I have to thank flat earthers for making this video necessary. I would never have come across these files, let alone seen the amazing detail in the reflection in the window of the dragon without them giving someone like Dave the motivation. And that was such an amazing moment that I am very grateful to have experienced. Even more thanks to Dave, of course, for the work and time he put in.
Bet you £1000 your vaccinated lol Incapable of critical thinking and preferring the comfort of being TOLD what the truth is rather than invest time and energy in finding things out for yourself 😂
I concur. I’ve learned so much about astronomy and physics falling down the flat earth rabbit hole. These types of videos have renewed my interest in science.
Those files are great
CGI >>
EVER WATCHED A HOLLYWOOD SCI-FI MOVIE
@@christendomdefenderbeready3251 NEF ever taken a raw photo from camera
"But it's a fisheye lens!"
"No it's not. The file gives the lens it was using. That lens is rectilinear. Also, the straight arms of the Crane in the foreground would also be curving, not just the Earth, if that lens was fisheye"
"BUT MUH SPACE PIZZA DELUSION PANTOMIME CHARADE!"
NOTE: I am not a flat earther, BUT:
Did you know that you can edit the metadata of an image manually?
@@ChillaxeMake Yeah of course you can. My point about the arms of the crane being curved as well as the Earth if the lens was wide angle still stands though
@@MightyMattTMHis point was about messing with any part of the data including visual so straightened cranes and the likes are toddler level computing. Don't need to be Spielberg to curve a straight line ethier.
@@whyter11 *_"toddler level computing"_*
I think that's a little extreme. How long have you been programming for to make such an expert opinion? What languages do you program in? I started with BASIC on the TRS 80 but most recently I've been using Rust and there have been an alphabet of languages in between from procedural, to object oriented, to functional.
@@whyter11 " so straightened cranes and the likes are toddler level computing" Ok, so do it and show us. Take a photo of something flat with two other straight lines crossing in front of it with a fisheye lens, and edit the two crossing lines to be straight while the background stays curved.
You have many great videos, but this is probably my favorite. Extremely well done and thorough. Thank you for all your efforts.
This video made me realise just how high up the ISS is, you can see almost half of one side of the Earth from it.
the iss is not very high up and you can't see much of the earth from it. from the height of the iss you can see about 3% of the earth.
From the altitude of the ISS (about 400 km) the earth has an angular size of about 140 degrees. To extend the field of view, the Cupula module has side facing windows, via which you can see the entire circle of the horizon, but not all at once, since the field of view of the human eye is only about 90 degrees. However, when using a fisheye lens you can take a picture of the Earth as a ball, but as someone else mentioned, you still only see about 3% of a maximum of 50% of the earth from that altitude. You can calculate this % for a given altitude H like this: (1-6371/(6371+H))*50 or if you prefer miles: (1-3959/(3959+H))*50. You would need to be at about 2700 km to see the earth as a ball with the human eye, but you still see less than 15% of earth. Even from the distance for geostationary orbit (35785) you only see 42.4% of earth. The way it works with a ball is that the further away you look at it, the more of the surface you can see. This is lost on flat earthers, who claim to not understand why the US appears so big on the Blue Marble 2012 image, which was rendered from a viewpoint of only 2100 (1300 miles) above 20° North 100° West, which is why it appears as if it was taken with a fisheye lens.
The dragon window reflection is some of the greatest data most would not have noticed. Great work.
haha 70th
great work of satan
THAN bring me one proof for a globe, fast spinning water curving space crossing ball, one will do. Here you've got 200 proves for the FLAT EARTH, can you count, sheep believing in a non proven 500 year old theory are sick!
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You could imagine continuously rendering all of this stuff to doctored RAW files… but that would be an implausibly large and expensive operation, requiring a huge amount of attention to detail across many technical fields, with little room for error, all to just be uploaded on some dinky corner of the NASA website. This project alone would be a massive undertaking, but combined with all the other stuff they’d need to be juggling it seems pretty far-fetched compared to just sticking a camera on the ISS.
The problem is: Flatearthers have totally different opinions about what is "implausible" and "far-fetched" than normal people. :D
I can completely picture how to do this in a relatively quick manner using Blender for the base models, noise filters in photoshop with a random element added to add the slight shifts, etc. Automation could make it happen and it's a lot easier with a lot less resources than you might think (relatively speaking.)
They didn't, but It can be done - now. The old IMAX film footage from the Shuttle missions would actually be more convincing to me, if I actually needed any convincing.
@@kstricland then someone notices your rendered clouds wouldn't line up with the recorded ones at thar location and time
@@kstricl i think you underestimate something here. The light, shadows and movements of clouds need to be exactly the same corrrelated to Earth. So this cannot be done in a procedural manner. Which skyrockets the effort to Infinity. If a 1000+ plus Photos have to be hand crafted people will mess up and there will be inconsistencies.
@@Juice-chan how many people would even bother trying to match it up? Plus, if clouds are just a hologram, NASA already has the cloud data 😜
the dog is quite possibly the best part
I keep asking the Flat Earth loonies to provide me with photos of the edge of the earth. Still waiting……….
Apparently, they all lied about having a p-900...
There are photos of the ice wall on the internet. Use a search engine and type "ice wall". We're told some of them are glaciers the size of London, lol. It's the wall that contains the waters on flat earth.
If you took a flat earther into space and let them see a globe earth with their own eyes, they would still say it was fake, keep it up guys, pure comedy gold 🤣
Theyll say nasa installed fisheye lenses in their eyes
Correct --- they even try to debunk their own videos when their experiments prove the earth is not flat but a rotating sphere (Thanks Bob, rest his soul" ... "Thanks Jeran.").
I believe that's a generalization. The people who refused such flat out evidence are either in shock or they are mentally ill and may require medical assistance. I believe you can sway a good number of people and I think the idea of flat earth may just kinda go away once/if space flight is a regular thing like driving a car.
Perhaps they should do that? How many flat earthers have shot themselves into the air and died doing that so far I wonder?
It's like the anti vaxxers, they did studies, and many people who already believed vaccines caused autism, when faced with the facts, research, trials, everything, often times only doubled down, and even believed more into their own theory, since in their mind, everyone is in on it, and the person trying to debunk your claims is just a cog in the machine.
It takes a village, and you have definitely earned your place in the Flat Earth debunking community with accessible articulation. I appreciate that you bring fresh angles to things that we've heard covered for years. The time you invest is evident, and we thank you!
“It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” Bill Murray
I salute you for trying but like the saying goes, you can't fix stupid.
Sending them to orbit would still be 50/50 chance they’d be convinced. So unlit we actual get orbital resorts where tourist can make TikTok’s by themselves it’s pointless trying to prove it to flerfs.
You could take a flat earther to the space station and let them look out of the window and they would still come up with an excuse to “explain” why it’s fake.
Nah bro, the government just used a magic gas’s to make them dream getting on the ship and now the window is just a TV screen, duh.
@@colixartbreak it lol
Your condescending attitude doesn't help anyone! Besides it being totally illogical
No I would not.
I think for this a collab with the corridor crew would be perfect. They have the perfect skillset to point out things that are impossible to fake
I was thinking this too. They already have a few videos about supposed UFO videos. It wouldn't exactly be outside their wheelhouse to look at flat earth "evidence" and provide their insight on whether it may or may not be visual effects.
That said, I could understand if they wouldn't want to weigh in on this subject. After all, UFO's videos _could be_ real. Flat Earth... not so much. Having such a high profile channel focus on Flat Earth might actually provide more exposure for the theory than they would want.
Awesome collab idea!
Lol people use 4G satalite internets, travel the Earth ,see the sun rises and set, see the moon cycle, sit on air plaines, climb up and live on mountains and yet still have not figure out the shape of the earth, some people need to be sailors in their life.
Imagine a canvas of dough, stretched wide,
A flat pizza pie, a savory guide.
Its surface, a palette of colors so neat,
A tasty creation, a delicious feat.
The crust, like a golden-hued frame,
Holding treasures, a culinary claim.
Cheese sprawls in a molten embrace,
A gooey layer, a delightful chase.
Tomato sauce, a vibrant red sea,
A flavor symphony in every decree.
Toppings dance in a colorful array,
A feast for the eyes, ready to play.
Imagine a slice, lifted with glee,
A taste of perfection, as you can see.
Flat and tasty, this pizza delight,
A culinary masterpiece, love at first bite!
That's what the Earth is shaped like.
That’s one explanation. However, as a confirmed flat-earther I would put forward an alternative explanation that I once overheard from a bloke in the pub which is that NASA have a room in area 51 where they use oalien technology to clone an infinite number of monkeys who they then train to produce each of the raw files, pixel by pixel using crayon.
"my source is i made it tf up"
I predict the flerf will deploy the failsafe "nuh-uh" response.
Flat Earthers don't work in facts. Bill Murray once said a quote “It's hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.” Fits them perfectly.
Once you said NASA they switched off
You can't CGI these many details😂 CGI has its limits
While normally I'd agree with everything you say, as a software engineer, I can say it's quite likely that the engineers at Nikon, Sony, etc, have software that can create those types of raw files because that's how they'd test making firmware for the cameras. Technically it is likely someone has software - and if a powerful organization wanted to lie about something they could potentially either buy the software from the company in some capacity or have a software engineer develop it themselves. It depends on how persuasive the government organization is willing to be... But the reality remains, no matter what proof you offer, it will be refuted - either intelligently or not. Usually just with a very ignorant response - like, "It's all fake and lies and you're not my real dad."
Same thing I commented myself. I delved into image processing and saying it's impossible to create a NEF file was a little funny to me.
Yep, made the same point. Claiming that it's "impossible" is going off the deep end. Nothing impossible about saving to a NEF - cameras do it all the time.
@SpazzyMcKenzie "Obviously Nikon are in on the conspiracy!"
Yeah, but they make the flerf weapon camera of choice, so no.
@@ReValveiT_01 r/Woooosh
Couldn’t they just use existing NEF files for that? I’m sure they’d have a few lying around.
Thank you I was on the verge of actually listening to my mates allegedly solid Flat Earth science lol 😂
what could he have possibly been saying that you would have considered solid
NASA has a 40 million dollar/day budget. More than enough $ to "edit" videos. And they'll do anything to protect that budget.
They are going to protect their budget by spending it all on faking stuff? 🤔
If the technology existed to do what they're claiming Disney would have an entire theme park based on it
Wernher von Braun worked closely with Walt Disney to produce some children's cartoons. We are given dumbed down tech. Esoteric knowledge exists.
This video is fake. You can tell because from 5:20 onward, there's a distinct lack of dog on the armchair.
Dog came back at the end. Globe earth verified.
he forgot to cgi it in smh
They will say that video if fake, but be too afraid to check everything with their own eyes
All the continents we live on are above the equator, in the Tropic of Cancer, meaning we live in the upper hemisphere in the simplified sense for the general public.
Antarctica starts at 20 degrees north, then comes
The ice wall starts at the equator and ends at 20 degrees south in the Tropic of Capricorn, meaning it divides the Earth into two halves. After that, the unknown continents come under the ice wall and end at 60 degrees south, after which we enter the Antarctic Circle, and then the Antarctic begins at 80 degrees south.
The Earth is spherical. On a flat Earth map, the Earth is very large
A few people have touched on or asked about this, so as a bona fide programmer I'm going to elaborate. I don't doubt that most, if not all, photo editing programs do not provide the option to save in a raw format because that really doesn't make much sense. If you changed the image, it's not "raw" any more, is it? Also, since every manufacturer's raw file format is unique it's already a ton of work to develop the import code, never mind the export code. Manufacturers may also limit by contract what can be done by applications that work with their raw files.
But there is nothing special about raw files. It's 100% possible to write an export plugin that would emit a valid raw file.
That being said, I would fully expect that unless the generated images were created with extreme detail and a certain amount of noise, that it would be possible to detect a fabricated or edited raw image.
Yeah, even cryptographically signed RAW files identifying the originating camera (and timestamp, etc) could be faked by an organization that had access to the (putative) private key in the camera.
I mean, people willing to believe in a pointless, centuries-long, world-wide conspiracy involving complete cooperation among millions of people and opposing militaries will truly find no bridge too far to protect their fragile egos.
Dave planted a big red target on himself with that one. Flerfers will make 15 videos on "Globe DEBUNKED photographer DOESN'T KNOW how CAMERAS WORK!", lol.
@@tomaszwota1465 While I'm sure flat earthers will find some way to misunderstand this video, what Dave said is, AFAICT, valid as far as cameras and commercial editing software goes.
My point is that while lack of utility, cost and/or contractual obligations may explain why the software doesn't exist, that doesn't mean it CAN'T exist.
Additionally, because of all the extra detail contained in a raw file I suspect that it would be easier to detect a "modified raw" than a modified jpeg.
@@zar3434 Agreed. I made the same point.
Plus, there are tools to modify RAW metadata.
No real problem editing the image data either. As you know - it's not magic, it's just data. Just ones and zeroes. You can edit it no problem (grab a hex editor and try) - doing so in a way to be hard to be recognized by an expert (or, even by an amateur user that can investigate the file in a RAW image reader and play around with the sliders) wouldn't be that easy. But one can imagine a Photoshop plugin that would allow you to play with the sliders as well as use all the power of that software to modify the image data.
May have to be more involved than a plugin, but nothing stands in the way of writing such software.
@@tomaszwota1465 (edited) Actually, if the camera was to cryptographically sign the raw you couldn't edit it in place as the signature would fail, and the signature can't be regenerated as the private key is unknown. I did a quick google and some cameras do this, but older cameras used proprietary algorithms that have since been cracked. It looks like there may now be an initiative to develop a signature standard. I'm sure @DaveMcKeegan could shed more light on this.
To be fair, no file format is impossible to reproduce. The fact that no editing software you know of doesn't have the capability to save as the new format doesn't mean one couldn't come up with a piece of software to do that. The format has standards of some kind, otherwise it would be unreadable by any editing software. Once you know the standards, then you could write custom software to do whatever you want to replicate whatever you want with that format.
That being said, it is likely a monumental undertaking [multiple years with a team of people imho] to reproduce all of those elements with that level of detail in the raw files. I would question just why anyone would ever go through the trouble when it would be simple enough to say "Hey, we don't save the raw files because of storage limitations in the IIS."
Good point! It's also no secret that the government are years ahead of the general public in terms of technology. Esoteric knowledge exists.
I do believe with modern technology, AI, very good AI, this could be faked.
So with that, I would say the best proof is a personal one.
You only need a scale and a weight.
The more accurate the scale the better, the heavier the object, the better
You weigh the object where you live.
Go on vacation closer to the equator and weigh the object again.
The object WILL weigh less due to the rotation of the earth cancelling out the weight of the object.
Always encourage experimentation but there's no "AI" in existence that could fake these raw images.
You try getting any "AI" image generator to do anything remotely close to this and you'd spot that it's artificially generated within a frame or two.
The meta data and ability to literally own these raw files (and so edit the saturation/brightness yourself to see dark regions light up with high clarity) is entirely beyond the capacity of any automated process.
And a manually, hand crafted mock up would demand entirely impractical stage scaling to achieve with no way to fake the depth of field nor lighting, as demonstrated by this video.
Sadly, the vast majority of flerfers are making their own belief up anyway. And the vast majority of what's left aren't going to bother trying to prove it with experimentation that proves the world is a globe. They'll just stick to the usual, easy to debunk nonsense the grifters peddle (the ones who do it to make money).
There is no convincing them. But this type of content (and experimentation) allow actually curious people to quickly realise conspiracy theories are a grift. I remember, very early on in my adult life, when the Internet was quite young, watching a conspiracy theory video about 9/11 and it was extremely convincing. Thankfully, I'm open to curiosity and so allowed myself to absorb the debunk content (over many years) that both tore that (now obviously) fake video apart and also made me aware just how widespread deceptive content, for monetary gain, can be.
One might say it's so widespread that it now reaches across the entire globe...
PS I flew on Concorde when I was 14 (dad worked for British Airways). I actually got to observe the curvature of the earth for myself. My own personal proof. Not that I need it. The sheer level of distrust in literally everything in order to sustain the belief that the earth is not a globe would be unsustainable.
@@StealthBoyElite There's an organization called "Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth". They also have demolition experts and airline pilots. There's a video on my channel showing no plane hitting one of the towers.
They’re just gonna say it’s fake... like they always do....
You over-estimate their critical thinking abilities.
"They faked the metadata!"
Easy debunk in their flat minds.
As much as I love the technical presentation, my main enjoyment of your videos comes from watching how much your dog insists on being petted. :)
I love that a point in favor of the ISS and such similar space related stuff is that it's cheaper to just do it for real than to try and fake it to this level.
First there were the flat earthers. Now there are the flat mooners. Next there will be the flat Marsers.
I believe that even if you took a flat earther on a rocket to the ISS and lead them on a tour throughout it, they would just claim that they had been drugged and could not confirm their experience.
schizophrenia and paranoia, thats all they got
let them out on a space walk and they can undo their helmet - proof and problem solved at the same time!
@@ancipitalprobably also make survival of the fittest😂
@@punguru1360 or survival of the less stupid!!!
They’d probably be disappointed at not being “probed”
I talked to a flat earther the other day in NY. I’m a pilot, I’ve seen the curvature at 50000 feet above the globe. He said it’s parallax error or curvature of the window. Our windows are flat, unlike the earth.
He actually believed there is an ice wall keeping the water from falling of the edge. How can you debate someone like that?
What about sunlight in Europe when it’s night in America…
I asked him if he’s joking- but he was 100% serious.
Yep. Debate is only possible with those who value reason and observation above belief.
When flat earthers claim that windows would cause the horizon to be curved, they never take into account that in that case the windows should distort the view already when the aircraft is still on the ground, which doesn't happen. For example, Wolfie6020 made a video where he tested this thing in his aircraft and showed that windows didn't cause distortions. But flat earthers basically just ignored the test.
@@mikep9604 Yep. What other option do flat Earthers have, when confronted with such obvious evidence?
Why would nasa and world governments want us to think the world is flat? My best answer to a flat earther is explain sunrise and sunset. It doesn't fit the flat earth model
Hey since this also happens to be related to photo/video-graphy, ever thought about going back to make more videos about those subjects? Such as once a week or so x time or x videos; would love to learn more about camera related subject, such as a few I've been looking up lately, and surprise surprise Dave McKeegan old videos came to the rescue lol
Easy to debunk, just the usual MO;
"Its so technical, I dont understand... therefore: Its fake"
(Wonderful video, BDW. As always:-))
That’s denying, not debunking. A debunk requires logical reasoning, something flerfers are incapable of
@@mjelves everything about the globe is undebunkable, but we're dealing with flerfs so we have to use language that they think they understand (even if they don't)
You underestimate these flat Earthers, But let's face it a hollow Earth is more believable than a flat Earth.
that's not exactly a high bar to clear.
Man, my question is why hasn't ANY flat earther opt in to try and apply and or go through the training needed to become an astronaut and go into space to see it for themselves. They'd rather keep their butts on earth and continue to raise levels to the horizon in planes or use binos to look at how long and how far of a distance they can see a boat in the water..... Then have the nerve to downplay the complexity of how much work it would take to fake something like this in the way he described. All these calculations they do to prove flat earth but fail to realize the calculations of the size the file or files have to be to be able to incorporate all of those editing details.
Let's be honest flat earthers are so diluted in there beliefs that if given a chance to go directly to space for free they will just say it was faked in a studio because they weren't allowed to exit the space craft.
The word you were looking for was "deluded" rather than "diluted"
"What should we call our version of RAW?"
Dyslexic working at Canon: "ARW."
lol yeah
So clear and well presented. I love watching your videos, I always learn new things about the science of photography.
They still gonna yell it's CGI and the metadata in the files is faked manually.
Yet zero proof. All idiots and fun to laugh at.
seamless transition to an ad i've ever seen
Right! Didn’t notice the add was playing until I read your comment.
It’s still just “here’s this really detailed digital image” that they’d just say “it’s a really good CGI”
Except when it comes to the map they all use to drive around.... they can't even fake one with cgi. smh.
Digital cameras are fake, too.
Computers are fake.
You're fake.
I'm fake.
Lol
Next up on Flat Earther news: "Nikon is actually owned by NASA"
Not owned but they recently partnered with nasa… thats a fact.
I love how flat earthers think CGI is really simple to do. Usually those types of movies, like say Avatar, take months if not years to create. So they think NASA is pumping these out daily or weekly??!! LMAO!! THAT is impossible.
BILLIONS OF BUDGET FROM YOUR POCKET! NASA used AI to control satellite balloons since 70s! Other space agencies? Never heard of them! Satellite images of earth surface - its planes, bruh!
I grew up a mere 45 miles from NASA Clear Lake. After Carla swamped our house and my dad took a hacksaw to our radio to remove the phonograph (got really rusty in that 3 feet of salt water) I eventually inherited the radio. My uncle Joe taught me how to remove the back plate and "de-tune" it. When the capsules would pass overhead, I listened to the Astronauts talk to NASA. Only lasted for less than an hour.
Folks, you must remember that flat earthers have never ordered a $2.75 telescope from the back page of a 10¢ comic book. Have never found the broken spring in a ballast resistor . . . And repaired it. They have never taken a chemistry class. They don't know how to clean the shower door with a fork and half a lemon. And they probably have never done their solo in a Piper 150.
bro have mercy. it progressively more and more hurtful
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With lots of time, they still can fly a camera down in Australia and show us they’re driving upside down and being held up by gravity. Please brother, you’re being fooled just like the American election system. Go bend a knee to your masters. 😂
That's so funny! You really got that made up strawman idea of who you think they are. Rather than who they really are. Ooooh you got eem! You special boy smart guy you!
Yeah if you completely leave out the several PHD professionals, hundreds of engineers, submarine captains, pilots including one that flew the concord, more than 6 that I know of nasa employees, civil engineers, fluid dynamics engineers, radiographers, so on... then yeah man you Def showed them morons!
Oh yeah, don't forget crow777 who crowd funded an over 200k telescope, getting the very first reported footage of the lunar wave. The Go Fast rocket engineers so on. Yeah.... yeah.... leave them out of course... and your really funny!
Man that's yall problem. And what's so hilarious about yall. Your so supper special smart, that it's really hard for us to take you serious when you say such blatant erroneous crap like that, and think you've said something.
Idk what you've been paying attention too. But it darn sure isn't legitimate true earth, scientific method convinced people. You'd know of the thousands of experiments, and ballons sent and longest Lazer tests on hundreds of locations, and van de Graff generator replicators, or those that now know Newton kinematics, einsteinian physics more than those claiming it as magical unverifiable, untestable, unrepeatable reaffirming the presupposed hypothesis magical science you claim.
Stop fighting for your team, insulting the other, when you obviously don't even know who the hell your talking about. Go watch a qitsit debate on modern debates channel or something at least, so you know how embarrassingly far from truth on this you really are.
Or..
Just keep being a douche, insulting nonexistent people to your base so they pat you on the back like a middle schooler. And actually be curious.
Or, Mr smarty special boy you, why don't you start answering some of the questions posed out there that prove curve, gravity so on. They're offering 2 bitcoin! Yet no one's claimed it. It's gotta be answered with real, verifiable, independent to your model, meaning can't be explained on a flat stationary plane either?
Or answer why magical gravity which admittedly is substantially less force than electrostatics, yet electrostatics is never accounted for when calculating "Gravity"?
Or the real reason the horizon rises to eye level if the ground beneath you is bleeding off at 8" per mile squared? Wouldn't that make it below your wye sight, much less at higher altitudes? Of course it would.
Answer why curve has never nor can never be observed. Please say "refraction" so I know your regurgitating like a parakeet. And don't know that refraction and rainbows can only happen on our model.
Go ahead, explain what YOUR Def of gravity is? Warping of space time? Or mass alone attracting other mass? Guy, your lost! These are the 101 questions smart guy. You've not even gotten into the real stuff yet.
They probably also never tried to create an ultra realistic 3D animation of a space station orbiting earth.
Funnily enough, it would actually cost more to fake all of NASA's footage than it currently costs them to shoot it for real.
What absolute lies!
Especially since 80% of all earth's finaltial resources would be spent on maintaning such a giant hoax, paying payrolls for people to pretend etc.
No one in their right mind believes the Earth is flat, but we going to spend billions of dollars and tens of thousands of man-hours creating footage to try and deceive flerfers? Makes perfect sense…
why aren't there any comments to man hours and money they would have to spend....why all that just to make you believe argue why --whats the point to make it round maybe they aren't and can't do and don't have $$$ to falsify :: Maybe it is round hmmmm. Oh watch all those record braking altitude mig jets flying very high Russia don't give a sh__ about conveniencing you it's round. It Is ROUND
You know, I feel like the best thing for Flat Earthers to do is to prove everyone wrong by literally studying to become an astronaut themselves. Receive training, take educational courses, become hired onto the team, and finally, get sent up to the ISS themselves, all out of spite, and to truly show people how the Earth is flat.
I love how you love your dog and the dog loves you. This makes you a creditable person.