Is the 2018 Demon Actually Better Than the 2023 Demon 170? Honest Thoughts!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- I give you my thoughts on if the 2018 Dodge Demon is actually a better car than the 2023 Dodge Demon 170. On paper the Demon 170 should be better in essentially every way; however, there are some chinks in the 170's armor that have some saying that the 2018 car is the better car to own. Which car would you rather have?
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Is the drawing on the 13th?
Am I too late
In the quality department 2018 Demon 1000% built way better before the world shutdown
Very good point! And this could be said about many other things in the world too. Thx
Agreed 100%
Demon170 was assembled during the union & Stellantis strike/bargaining, with union jobs on the line being loss & coming to an end for these kinda cars. Unfortunately, quality control goes straight down the toilet in an environment like that no matter where it's at. Seen it time & time again.
@@FaithfulServant316 it’s true, seeing the same bs in the pharmaceutical industry.
I don't remember anything shutting down.. I never missed a day of work..
2018 Demon. Better Looking, 200+mph, valet key, higher quality build, race crate, shorter stopping distance
Yes!
2018 Demon was governored to just 168mph because of the drag radials....
Yep!! The Demon 170 is NHRA certified for 8:90s. Doesn’t mean it’ll do an 8:90 pass. Great advertisement !
@@expectnolove9978not with the PCM (from the demon crate) swapped to make full power.. it was tested at 211mph iirc.
Demonology is the real deal, he is 170 go to guy.
Dodge did over 5000 passes with the 2018 Demon to test durability. Yes, with the ECM from the crate, it will raise the top speed to 211MPH
Lies..... The 2018 Demon was governed to 168mph because of the drag radials
@@expectnolove9978that’s wrong… only the shipped PCM had said limiter. Two different cars went over 200mph at Johnny Bohmer Proving Grounds. Road & Track even wrote an article about it.
@S8ER was that not a tuned pcm? If it was the race pcm from factory, then I stand corrected
Who cares about 200+ mph?
We are talking quarter mile.
@@expectnolove9978 the 2018 demon comes with 2 PCMs. There is one it ships with that has the limiter (and makes 808hp) and then in the demon crate there is a PCM that gets swapped in so it can make its full power numbers on race fuel (840hp). I’m not sure what all else changes between the two.
In my opinion aesthetically , the 2018 demon is my Preference over the 170.. I'm not of Fan of that half wide body look😅.. I think the 2018 demon looks more balance with the full wide body look👍.
Looking forward to this car hitting the track again and hearing back from Stellantis on the bad engine. Thanks RacerX.
Although I hate to say it, I sincerely doubt he is going to get any kind of detailed info on what happened to his engine. Stellantis is under no obligation to release that information, and they would not want there to be any kind of information released to the public, regardless of whether it's accurate or not. My guess: I think they'll get back to him and say that his engine experienced an oiling system failure, and that's a far as they'll go with it.
@@ReignitedAuto Oh I know you're probably right on, but I was hoping he might have more pull than the average customer. I'm actually surprised an engine of this build and power level doesn't have a dry sump. Must have an excellent oil pan design, incorporating both windage and baffling systems. It would need it with the g-forces and wheel standing launches...
If I could get a 2018 Demon it would be amazing. Till then I have my 2022 SXT to cruise with.
I’ve owned 2 SCs, 2 HCs, 1 RE and now a Demon 170. Never really had any issue with any of them. I only have 650 miles on the Demon but it’s been fine. I plan to race it once I get to 1,500. I will change the oil before racing. Great video.
Congrats on the new demon! Must be a dream to own that beast!
Great video RacerX. Looking forward to hearing what Stellantis has to say about the issues that you’ve had. Can’t wait to see you racing it again
Thanks buddy
Thanks for all the honesty. I really want one but, maybe I’ll look at a 2018 since it will primarily be a street car.
Very good info! Both cars are super bad ass. Instead of making a decision of which one I want., I’ll just take both!! Awesome upload brother👊
I never put in for give aways , but that’s a sweet car. I gave it a shoot.
There’s two reasons the 2018 is better, Demon Crate and most important….. front fender flares
toyota camry might even be a better buy just drop the hellaphant engine in it
Thank you RX you have addressed many answers to my thoughts and concerns on the two.
Awesome Video RacerX. Keep up the hard work!!
Awesome content buddy 🙏👍💪
2018 demon
One thing that ive noticed is how this monster has 5 wheel lug nuts - especially at the rear with how much power its working with. But the viper has 6 wheel lug nuts. Maybe because of the crazy g forces it will generate at the track. But this monster will create crazy g forces at the strip and makes waay more power yet only has 5 lug nuts
Great video X, very informative .
I wish you had posted this at 9am EST. I was trying to find your video with the code but couldn't. I hurried up and bought a few entries before I forgot with running around before leaving for work on my 3 to 11pm shift
Love the demon 170, wish they kept the front widebody fenders though. I wonder how much slower it would be if they didnt have that along with the skinny tires.
AwesomeX《☆》I'm living Vicariously here Brother. I'm having fun with my 2014 Charger Pursuit tho. I just put a new Waterpump on it & replaced the Driveshaft a few months ago but I expected to have issues with it being a 2014 Police car with 117000 miles on it. I think it was the original Waterpump. Hopefully the new one lasts as long. It's my 1st HEMI car and I knew about all the bad publicity the Gen 3 HEMIs have but I'm actually impressed with ol Girl still going Strong🇺🇸345 HP is plenty 4 me✌🏼😎☯️
Bro let’s be honest you can build a street stop car for cheaper and be more invested in a car you actually speced or built than one that is something you buy and others have exactly the same
Fantastic video, Racer X! I'd have to say overall, despite the controversies, Practicality wise, the Demon 170 is still the better car. Can't wait to see what you do with that thing!
2018 demon needs a diff brace upgrade then its pretty much good to go! its a beast! 2023 demon is also a beast, but its also kinda still new in our minds.. give it time to see long term results and what needs to be beefed up!
Love the black and red combination
Actually its Mango Orange with the black :)
i agree, just don't like the 170's look the OG is still the best
Absolutely beautiful
Race it enough and it will break....that's racing......expect a money pit in the sport❤
The OG demon for me. I do not like half wide body on the 170.
Ill go for the TT mustang!
Great layout there Jeff of the pluses and minuses of the cars that is really informative and yes still I can't afford or need one or want one but they are nice vehicle and it would have to be used if it was anything would have to be dirt cheap
Don't even have to watch this video, answer this video title HELL YES !
Better looking all around than the 170
Really starting to think that buying my 2022 Redeye with the 3.09 gear and going DC Stage 2 might be the best of all the worlds. Seemed like the 3.09 was hard to come by in 2023, prices shot up, interest rates shot up, and now I’m sitting on an 885 hp car that’ll do low 10s in the quarter and probably a top speed over 205 mph (not that I’ll ever find out).
I'm taking the 170. Flaws and all lol
I like the OG Demon Wait i really like the 170 Demon 😂
I think the more versatility and the proven reliability of 2018 give it the slight edge. Plus it has the widebody on the front too, so you could put some non drag tires on all 4 corners and street it.
Respectfully, It's more than "guys just wanting to brag." Dodge marketted 215 mph for top speed.
The demon 170 should have had a dry sump oiling system and I would want to have the 2018 demon
Great comparison video....I entered the demon giveaway....would be nice to match my 19 challenger hellcat redeye and I would only have to drive up from coral springs florida 😂
Good luck brother 👍
I’m taking the 2018 for sure !
2018
I prefer the original Demon
100% a better car ZERO doubt!!!!!!
FWIW, I'd take the 2018 Demon over then2023 Demon 170 in a heartbeat as race track shenanigans don't interest me at all. I like performance cars built for the real world. So after listening to Racer X's new segment I think the original Demon would fit my requirements better. Then of course there's that reliability issue that everyone is talking about. Paying much more $$$ to own a car that although faster may not be as reliable. I'll gladly give up some added HP for reliability any day!
I would like to own the 2018 Dodge Demon. It seems more stable and reliable compared to the Demon 170.
Well ive not had a demon but owned 2 392's and currently my 3rd Cat. I can say that sometimes that extra 200 HP is a thrill and scary fun, but on the other hand, the 392 was a lot more handleable if that's a word. I love the looks of the 2018 with around 800 and the raw power of the 170. My personal opinion, lesser Demon for me, just seems to fit all around street and strip
What gets me, the ones who are buying a Demon 170, and OG Demon just to let me sit and just look at
them, not race them, is just strange to me, the OG Demon has a very good track record for being very
reliable, and the jury is still out on the Demon 170, and looking very good but still early on judgement.
Great video RacerX
The 2023 car has better capabilities than the 2018 car, but the 2018 Demon is built better, the Challengers,Chargers and 300’s from that model years where considered one of the most reliable and better built cars. The last L cars are having lots of issues with build quality.
IMO, I would much rather have a 2018 Demon, over a 2023 Demon 170. The 2023 Demon 170 is a one trick pony, the 2018 Demon is an all around great car.
Racer X wit another banger‼️🔥
Btw can forget Demon170 and a 5.7 hemi have damn near the same top speed and that 392 can technically outrun a demon170😂😂😂
If you're gonna race it race it. All race cars break and your gonna keep it on the track with your own money
I don't think Stellantis will admit anything your car if it's super costly to repair. They will just continue to be vague about the issues. But at least they took care of you. Others?
800hp 1000hp. Shits gonna happen. Plenty of people were blowing rears in the old demon. So whos really to say
Demon was ONLY banned due to no cage and the AC chiller feature.
It’s not bragging right. Dodge didn’t even set the car up properly to run the times it could run. It’s a knock not a praise.
All you have to do is find E-85 Station . well ost places stopped selling E-85 due crappy gas mileage ,alcohol requires around 2 x as much fuel as gas so price per bucks ar close.
I'll take the 2018 I have over this 170. I just want the D170 crate engine for my 2018 D. I think the D170 has quality control issues. The only thing I dislike is they don't have 2018 engines out there on direct connection.
2018 Demon, better build quality, won't break every time you bring it to the drag strip, was built before Stallantis buyout so it's a TRUE dodge in name and spirt, sounds better higher top speed more reliable cooler name and logo goes faster in real life highway drag race scenerios, should be able to outrun the cops better will likley hold it's value, don't have to be a RUclipsr to have warranty repairs approved and expedited, looks better imo, costs less, maybee it will depreciate in value less...
But other then then that, I guess I like the 170...
I would just rather own the old real Dodge jailbreak, but to each there own.
Keep making great vids my freind!
Both are wonderful cars and they both are wonderful have hands down own them both ❤️. Make both feel loved 2018 made the way for the 2023 but if you love demon why not own both
I really hope I snag the 2018 Demon
I bought tickets in November and it’s been a while lol
It would be nice to meet Paul and get on the channel
That’s the real prize
Keep pushing Racer X
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Going 9 seconds and even 8 seconds is no big thing in a full on race effort. Big displacement, big ass cam, carb and a tough Turbo 400 transmission is all it takes for power and the a well sorted and set up Chassis. You can match or beat a Demon with less effort required and for smaller $$$. Better still? When the inevitable happens and something breaks (nobody goes this fast and doesn't eventual break stuff) fixing it is well within the average guy's ability. The problem with BOTH of the modern Demons is found it just how much more it takes to go this fast and be a street driven, Legal to Register, car with all the modern expected creature comforts. You CAN get a Demon that does 9s in the 1/4 mile. This car proves that but when things go wrong most people are not going to be able to just trailer it home and fix it in their own garage . I saw your video concerning the break down in cost for a new engine in your own Demon 170. Not only was the bill pretty crazy, though not entirely surprising, the amount of time the car was "down" was excessive and because you have a big public profile I'm betting your car got fast tracked in way a more typical buyer shouldn't really expect. In the end if someone REALLY just has have a low 9 sec street/race car........probably got to do the tough thing........Tesla Plaid or some other EV that can do this. In the end gas powered 9sec and faster cars are probably best when they are dedicated race cars only with no street manners required. The real difference between the 170 and not the original Demon but also the great many Hell Cats running 700-800HP is found in how that 10 sec time slip is still within reason for dual mission street/race car. 1,000HP plus in a car that needs to meet all federal requirements seems a step too far.
E 85 gas in California near me is over $5 per gallon near me 🤷♂️ 6:35
Damn it’s anywhere from 2.86 to 3.05 here in Ohio
Demon 170 was a slapped together money grab built with catalog parts
Say you have the best of both worlds for demon
Though the 170 would make more sense for pure drag racing, The 2018 does have the advantage in price,reliability,and build quality
the super charger 3.0 is insane sounding , most D 170s are in the plastic in a collection ....think only 50 buyers chose the one seat light wt opt and 99 choose the $1995 rip off full cloth interior , wonder how many of the 3301 cars came with the rear seat delete
Demon for sure, don't trust the 170 if I were to race it.
Definitely looks better, no idea why they went with a hlaf wide body look in the new Demon that's so ugly to me
weight reduction
The new Demon is just a modified Hellcat
Facts
This should be good
I'm deciding if I want a 2010 srt8 challenger 6.1 hemi or a newer rt 5.7 idk what to get I prefer thw older ones cause I have a 2010 SE 3.5 but I wonder the reliability with the 6.1?
The demon 170 is a great dragstrip monster but the O.G Demon is more practical and easy to mod car to 1025hp and the widebody stance on the 2018 was a game changer I just don’t think the 170 price tag is worth it with all the issues… think about it 🤔what will happen when the warranty is up on your Demon 170
It wouldn't be a Dodge if you couldn't question the reliability
I would never play with E85, first we don't have it local and second the moment you get a bad batch or let your car sit, that crap will mess your car up.. And not for nothing most of the time it's not even 85 that you are getting it's mostly E70 at best.. It says right on the pump they only owe you E55...
🗣️SOMEBODY GOT THE TOES OUT
Demon 170 was one of the great automotive busts. We are disappointed 😢
SOOO many cars area faster on the Top end. Roll racing would HAVE TO GO with the 2018 Demon. Not to mention the Narrow body front end just… does not look as great.
Honestly? I'll never be able to purchase either of them, so my opinion doesn't matter much. But in addition to all of the points you brought up, I really liked how the first Demon had all these little Easter Eggs hidden throughout the car to make it really special. And the 170 just seemed to lack that.
I like my 2021 1320 just wish they put forged rotating assy . It is all I need not drag racing although the demon and the 170 demon are unreal for todays cars with all this crap about ev junk
I noticed since you got that car back.. Your not out every night beating the hell out of it, like you were before it broke.. I think he knows they aren't going to through another motor at him again.. most PPL are trying to turn them into collector cars. Most of the ones that were bought are sitting in peoples' garages' right now covered.. I don't know what makes PPL think they are going to spend 170K to 200K on a car and it's somehow going to go up in value later on down the road after spending 100K more than it's worth especially after suport for the car dies.. I honestly can't believe people keep chasing after these tanks the way they do.....
The 170 is better in every way measured this shouldn't be a comparison. For those whom have never experienced a 170 wont understand 😂
i hope i win this is my dream car 😭
If I win the 2018 Demon I plan to drive it every day to and from the convalescent home where I and the other old women live.
What size tires are on the front of that giveaway demon?
The reliability with the 170 is yet to be seen if they're reliable or not
The 2018 was by far the better of the two.
2018 all day. It looks meaner
2018 Demon is much better. Not even close.
If I win it, could they please fill up the gas tank? I notice it was On empty.🤔😁
2018 Demon 😈 10000% better than Demon 170
As any real drag racers know! We always want more! So a factory stock car. Is just too slow. For the same money for a 170, you can build a six second monster.
Did the 2018 engines blow up?
The 170 has a manual transmission, which makes it automatically better
The 170 has a manual transmission 🤔?
Did we miss something? Only comes in automatic
Saw a video on how the 170 only comes with a manual, or it’s a option I don’t remember
🏆Racer X 🏆🍀Get R Done👀✌️
Definitely not better look at your first engine and all the other 170 owners cars. How many 18 you heard that had this many issues…exactly no comparison. You can add after market parts or package to have the same amount horse power
Demon 170 is the way to go.
The quality of cars made 2020-2023 is absolute garbage
It don’t matter to me either way I could not afford either one . Sooooo