Great video! Certainly, more superchargers needed up north. Good to know the supercharger seems to space out around 100km each for cross country roadtrip.
I’m in North Dakota, the biggest thing that I worry about with a Tesla is long term battery degradation with our winters. I don’t want to have to replace a battery that costs as much as a gently used Toyota Corolla every 5 years.
My 4 year old Tesla still has 92% battery life. That’s 8% degradation in 4 years and over 120,000 kms. Also there are people who reached over 200-400k kms (over 200k miles) with their Teslas and still on the original battery. Lastly, if you do need to replace the battery after 10 years, you’ll essentially be getting yourself a brand new car as if you started from 0 miles.
recently, i done road trip from toronto to indiana with 2020 sr+. temp is 4 degrees. honestly it only can go max of 180 km with 90% charge. so which means it is not very good doing highway drive during winter time. also, it i expensive charging supercharge only run 180km. better drive ICE car and it will be cheaper.
All our roads here are 80 mph, I’d like to see a real test, driving at speed, passing people, having the heat blasting inside the car, electric seats etc. I know the battery will be gone in no time in real life situations.
What was not real about this test? haha.. also.. 80mph is the MAXimum allowed speed. People seem to forget that.. Beauty with electric cars is that you can always lower you speed to get where you want to go most of the time. When you get your own electric car you will realize that range is not an issue.. I have owned a total of 4 electric cars.. Driving electric for 10 years and only once i had an issue with range and that was with my first car with 70-80km range in the mild winter.. But i made it to the destination anyway.. never ran out of battery.. electric seats, steering wheel heat, radio, lights and so on is not an issue they consume so little energy.. The heat makes a little different but not much.. It's all about the speed you are going.. When driving a tesla the optimum speed vs charging is like 80-90 mph to get where you want to go the fastest.. So it should not be an issue for you.. The slower you go the further you will come but it will also take more time..
Driving at 80mph in Canada is pretty rare. Most highways are at 100kph, people drive 110kph, some highways are at 110kph, people drive at 120kph, but that's not the norm. "Real" driving test always depends on the circumstances of where you are doing the test. He's doing a test in -30c, which would not be likely in the USA unless you are in Alaska.
@@namkablam I lived in Québec for a long time, now New-Brunswick. I rarely see people going above 115 on a 100 highway. There is the occasinal extreme speeder but it is not the norm, also, moose are a thing so most people know it's better to drive slower than faster, especially in hunting season right now. Temperatures are also colder here than in Toronto, so a test here wouldn't be fair for Toronto. Point is, a "real test" will be different everywhere.
Great video. Thank you. I noticed you have a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus, it uses the LFP (IRON) based battery. It does not perform well in cold climate compared to the long range model which has a nickel/magneese battery which don't see nearly as much cold climate battery loss (and they have more range).
Most people are surprised to find out Ecars lack efficiency in winter. Probably important to know when most Of North America experiences winter at least 7 months a year
Great video! Looking to buy a m3 LR in 2022 and your advice and experience has made my decision more confident when it comes teslas and our Winnipeg winters. Now there just needs to be a super charger route to russell Manitoba to hit up assesippi in a Tesla and go snowboarding. Currently driving a 2017 leaf and the range in -30 c barely gets me around town for the day. Interior Heat non existent too lol. Thanks again.
2022 - My decision to get the RWD over the LR was strictly due to the battery. If they put the LFP battery in the long range, i'd get it hands down...but with the increased price of the Model 3 and the NCA battery in the LR version, its a hard no! I plan to have my tesla for 4 plus years. With the newer LFP battery, I'm confident to have more range in the RWD with a heat pump over the LR after a few years of ownership. I'll be driving in Ontario, 130 km daily roundtrips 4 days a week for work, plus road tripping and daily use on my 4 days off work. No worries whatsoever. 👍👍
glad you made this. looking at an extended range model 3 anyway. you just barely made it the round trip distance i have to go between home and work everyday
The range on the sr+ was a bit dissapointing to be honest. Not being able to go even 200km on a full charge even if the temperature is as cold as it was in your test is a total bummer. I love EV's and especially tesla's but it makes you think twice before purchasing a car like this if your in colder climates like Canada. Having to stop and charge every 100-200km while on a trip while the weather is cold would be a big hassle. Its ok for daily driving if you travel less then 100km but not so sure about long trips in cold weather. Hopefully Tesla can improve upon its range in colder climates.
Absolutely. Road trips take longer in the winter which is a major block to go out in the first place. Thankfully extreme temperatures are usually here for a month or two. The car starts to perform well above -10C
Yeah in situations like this, it absolutely makes you pause when considering an EV vs an ICE car. People said I was wrong when I told them my M3 has lower range when it's cold outside that my battery just needed to be re-calibrated or something like that. No, it's just getting less range. Thankfully though, I'm down in Alabama so it's not THAT cold for very long and the car doesn't seem to care about how hot it is in terms of range loss.
@@FastRedPonyCar Heat is actually a good thing for range.. the hotter the battery gets the further you will be able to drive.. Heat is not a good thing for the lifetime of the batteries though.. thats why you have liquid cooled batteries :)
I see your heat is set to 21 °C (70 °F). Turn it down to 18 °C (64 °F) or lower and use the steering wheel heater and butt warmer. Your range will improve pretty dramatically in that weather. The amount of energy used to heat the cabin with resistive heat when it's -30 °C (-22 °F) outside is significant.
Nothing like driving a luxury car and having to turn the heat down and drive below the speed limit to white knuckle your way to a charging station and wait for an hour lolol.
Maybe you can put a hibachi on the passenger seat and turn off all the heat completely. Plus you can roast some wieners for a snack when you have to charge up again. :-)
Realistic testing. Nice. How much km do you get in your daily commute in the city at these similar temperatures? Highway 175km is good to cover the distance between two superchargers.
Great video. My understanding is that the battery heater will consume 10 to 15 percent a day in this weather if the vehicle is left parked outdoors. Would you totally brick the car if you left it parked outside for a week in -25 temperatures? If the batteries go below a certain voltage they can be permanently damaged or destroyed no?
There is a youtuber who has done a test in those conditions or i think colder and it dropped very small percentages overnight without a charge. As long as the battery has a charge before you leave it out it should be fine tesla only warns anything below -22 for more than 24 hours but seeing people test these limits i think its safe to say you would be able to but it wouldn't be a smart decision when it comes to your battery life.
I’m from winnipeg. Just bought a tesla mode 3 and returning it tomorrow. Eating up too much of battery for a long 6 month winter. Barely made it back from Portage La prairie 😅
Thanks for that video! Very interesting to see an SR+ in action in cold weather like that, I'M in Québec and have to travel north, that kind of info is essential when researching if that model can be a viable option, especially with the 8k$ rebate it qualifies for here
Thank you for watching my video! Bottom line, you can travel for a total of 200 km. So, if you can do that round-trip or you can go one way as well and stay overnight if you have a place to plug in the car overnight at a 220 V outlet
Cool video. I’m in wpg. Seeing a lot more Tesla’s. Want to buy one when it’s time to upgrade. Do u ever drive outside of wpg? How’s range re how far you can go!?
Thank you so much for watching. I drive outside of Winnipeg quite a lot actually and you can go from the far west side to the far east side very easily as there is a Supercharger every hundred kilometers
Traction is great as well. I’m using the all season tires that are not really meant for winter i’ve I’ve already spent two winters with no problems whatsoever. Traction control is godly in these cars and if you get winter tires you will never slip
This is an incredibly helpful real world winter test. Ballsy to push it to Fraserwood in -30C, but we appreciate it. That's a massive range drop, 175km, to be arriving on fumes, in -30C. Super not safe for us rural folks if anything goes wrong. But again, thank you for risking it for this super important test. PS: Did you capture your usage breakdown on this or other trips? Motor, climate, etc?
I didn't get the usage breakdown but I did get some metrics where you can kind of calculate it. I plan to do a similar test this winter on my new Model 3 Long range and I'll definitely be sure to get the breakdowns for that video.
If there's a road closure or out of service station or a bad blizzard etc etc. You're in a life threatening situation... how long does it take to charge? Do you have to wait an hr+ at every one of those dots?
@@teslapeg I agree 100% in the winter when the snow starts randomly, and it gets to 6-8 inches deep after 1 hour. You will be stuck on the side of the highway. Not to mention in Canada the distance between towns can be over a hour easily
It keeps it warm enough no not be damaged only. Battery only starts to heat up when you're heading towards a charger or when you're preconditioning in the morning
Honestly, not that much more or barely a difference. Heat pump is good when only heating up the car from scratch. But when the car is running in the highway, the car is already pre-conditioned.
wow this is great. I have my order placed (Live in Ottawa, Ontario) and videos like this is very informative. Could you do the same route, same speed, same everything except doing it in the summer
If you have 400 km range why did you go low just in around 175km? Is it because of subzero temp? Then I reckon it’s not worth having this car for extreme temp countries that are huge like Canada... maybe for city driving but nothing cross country.
Correct! It is very restrictive to drive when the temperature is extreme in the month of December and January. Other than that the weather is pretty nice in the Tesla performs really well when temperatures are above -10°C
Your battery DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEGRADATION.The range display is a (GOM) Guess O Meter.It calculates your range on your driving habits,Drive like you stole it(Low Range) Drive like a Grandma(Lots of range) You shouldn't charge to 100% on a Supercharger as its a waist of money as the charging rate slows down after 80%(When you get to a supercharger set navagation to the next supercharger the car will show how much you need to get to the next supercharger,Charge to that percentage with a buffer)Medicine Hat supercharger was only down for a few days(Chademo adapter or a destination charger could be a backup plan) .Driving 110 Kmh at -30c is highly risky as if you hight an icy patch and end up in the ditch you could freeze to death before help arrives.Winnipeg is not the coldest city in the world.
This is proven to be incorrect. The car adjusts driving range based on algorithm Tesla has installed and tweaks. The estimated range HAS NOTHING to do with your driving habits. This has absolutely been proven Actual range driven will be impacted by driving habits. Also driving habits and charging habits can impact the battery pack which will impact range estimates. But the algorithm doesn’t consider your personal driving habits.
This past winter, there were a few weeks where it was - 40 and lower, what was your range in your tesla model 3, also how was the heat inside the car. I'm trying to get all the info I can on owning a tesla in the winter, (-25 to - 40 degrees range). Good video.
I’ve never had any issues heating up the car even when it was like -40. The only thing that I took a hit on is the range and the overnight range loss as I don’t have charging at home
Correct. But the degradation is not a constant line. The first year is usually the most amount of degradation and then it reduced to 1-2% per year. If I see higher degradation, I can always reach out to Tesla to have a new battery as the warranty covers it until eight years
awesome video dude. fellow manitoban here. i want to see another video that shows how much energy is used per day in the cold weather if you do not drive the vehicle at all. if you dont touch the car once in an entire week, how much energy is lost? most people just show the "overnight" loss, but not as a per-24H basis. if you only drive twice a week, how does that affect the range?
4:42 returning to Winnipeg because if you continue heading north you'll have no place to supercharge. LOL Tesla needs to add more superchargers in Canada or else you'll need to rent a car for a road trip or if you decide to head north.
Hmmm.. tesla claimed that they install temperature control system to maintain perfect temperature for battery pack...does not it work? Or this model is not equipped with this system?
Tesla and ev in general have casted a spell that people fell for. They will never be as good as a gas vehicle unless you live an area where there is no winter. Considering their upfront costs and lack of efficiency in cold winter, I’ll stick to my gas powered Honda Civic that gives me 250 miles in -25 Celsius. Way cheaper. Plus who wants to get into a car accident when your driving a Tesla?
Hey bro... love ur content... please keep up the great work... Me and my wife are thinking of buying a tesla model 3 sr+ could you give us a breakdown of costs related.... first time buyer jitters...thanks
That’s a great thing about Tesla. There’s no sleazy salesman trying to sell you car warranty that is already coming with the car. Tesla is totally anti-dealership. So all you have to do is go to their website and put down $2500 for reserving your tesla and then later As the car is being delivered, you can either choose to finance or pay all in cash
47,900 should be the total with $5000 incentive. Make sure you buy from Tesla to get this incentive as dealerships tend to keep this money for themselves
You mentioned “I can increase range by driving slower”. Maybe not at this temperature. Lets assume at 100 km/h and 20°: 6 kW rolling resistance 6 kW air resistance 1 h = 12 kWh, at 50 km/h and 20°: 3 kW rolling resistance, 0.75 kW air resistance 2 h = 7.5 kWh The same at -30°: 6 kW rolling resistance 7.5 kW air resistance 1 h, 6 kW heating = 19.5 kWh, at 50 km/h and 20°: 3 kW rolling resistance, 0.94 kW air resistance, 6 kW heating 2 h = 19.88 kWh Let's try it for 125 km/h: 7.5 kW rolling resistance, 11,72 kW air resistance, 6 kW heating, 0.8 h = 20.18 kWh. I think mathematic teachers will put this in a formula and pupils will have to find the optimum speed. Could You provide data, how much had been for heating?
It is always better to use the heated seats instead of the heating up the whole car. I could do that, but I don't think it will be a noticeable difference.
The closest thing to a cold weather test so far. Shows EV's are terribly dangerous in extreme cold at distance (imagine -40 with the baby in the car). This is a fixable problem with insulation, auxiliary chemical heat source and slightly larger battery. Tesla, you should fix this.
You should do the test without heating the cabin. I did 270km in -25C with my 2019 Bolt EV at 81km/h in some semi mountain conditions, without heating the cabin (because there was 0 fast charge between my destination and my starting point, except for the last 30km where I just wanted to push my car to its limit)
Wow, so you spent extra money for EV instead of ICE vehicle a then travelled in it for more than three hours without heating in -25° C. That makes total sense 😂.
Nice test! I tell people to cut the listed EV range in half for extreme conditions just like this. Where you live, do ICE cars have a lot of issues starting, fuel lines gumming up, etc in the cold? Is an EV more reliable?
I live in Winnipeg where the temperatures go as low as -40 to -50°C. Cars here have a really hard time starting up but my electric car seems to do really well in the cold even with heating up. The heat is almost instant unlike a gas car will take 10 to 15 minutes to even start blowing in heat. The only problem is the range, hopefully this will be fixed in the future
I live in equally cold climates. -50C for days on end. No problem firing up the truck. I dont even use a block heater. If you have an old car (+10yr) you might have issues. But I'd be surprised if any electric vehicle would survive 10years of daily driving under these conditions. Not to mention most cars get +600km per tank in any weather and take 5 minutes or less to fill...
Yes, they are great. Even though there is no official Tesla service center in Winnipeg yet, the mobile service team is excellent. They haven’t have to send any car out of province yet as they could fix all the problems here. They don’t have an official shop but they come to you when you book an appointment through the Tesla app
I just got my Model 3 SR+ July 31 2021 and this my first winter with it. I've encountered -6 C weather so far during the day (Metro Toronto area). The Tesla app shows you your battery and a blue snowflake will appear if the battery is cold, I've only seen it once for a few minutes before it disappeared when my car was in the garage during a -12 C night time temperature. I just preheat my car for 3 to 5 minutes before I leave work. I do this to get some Regenerative braking because you loose that in the cold and there is always a green warning sign letting you know until the battery is warmer you will have reduced regeneration. So what I'm saying is you just warm the battery before you leave work, I need only a few minutes but in colder temperatures maybe you might need 10 to 15 minutes. The app lets you know everything and control the car, so it's ready to roll when you are.
-12°c is a warm day in the winter in Northern BC and I would have to leave it outside unplugged at work for 8-12hrs at -30°c and -40°c how well does the battery hold a charge in actual winter conditions is my question.
@@teslapeg E-tron is the best-selling vehicle in Norway. It would not be the case if it lost 50% of its range every winter day. I have one and during a cold snap a few months ago where we had similar temperatures to yours, I was seeing at most 20% range loss. Tesla is a software company and doesn't know how to build cars.
I just got my Tesla Model 3 SR+ 5 months ago and have noticed it's the winter tires that cause most of the reduced range. I changed then mid November and noticed my trips were all using about 30% more energy on the Tesla energy graph even though temperature was pretty much same as when i had my all seasons on my car. It's the grip of the winter tires that reduces range mostly from my experience so far.
Wait! According to the news in Chicago, EV’s are completely worthless in winter. lol. There sure are a lot of people and news reporters trying to talk me out of buying a Tesla.
What kind of a joke are you trying to pull? Trying to validate a vehicle as being a legitimate choice with a maximum winter range of 180km in the winter. In Canada... lol Don't get me wrong. I think it's a great choice for someone that never needs to drive outside a major centre for any distance, but in western Canada (and the western US), it's just not a logical choice. When the range improves, as it will as technology continues to improve, it will become a viable option for those that need to drive longer distances as well.
@@teslapeg only because of the enormous amount in Vancouver and the Okanagan Valley where temperatures rarely drop below -10 Celsius. I lived in the Okanagan and a Tesla is almost as common as a Honda Civic with Tesla superchargers at multiple locations but since moving to Edmonton Alberta we see almost as many Teslas as we see Exotic cars with almost no Tesla Supercharge stations. Edit: in fact we have lived in Edmonton for just over a year and haven’t seen a Tesla Branded charging station yet.
Living in Saskatchewan and just got our Tesla, this is a great video to let us know how far we can go @-30C. I would never travel far in that cold but good to know what to expect if I had to.
Interesting video. 184km = 114 miles. My ICE car gives me 450 miles on a full tank on the coldest of days. You should get a reward for your infinite patience. I would be spitting bullets if my car tanked like that on a cold day :)
at -20.F you lose 40% capacity. At -30 what do you think it is? Prolly 75% ! Cause as the temp drops BELOW -20 the range will drop EXPONENTIALLY!... Notice how these owners play a fugazi on you trying to make like you're "Ok".. They are JUNK in the Winter PERIOD! I can get in my TDI wagon at -20F and drive 900 MILES FULL Power, refuel in 5 minutes and drive ANOTHER 900 Miles!!! Time to Wake UP!
Norther Canada where I live was -45 for a most of the winter, some places were - 62. This whole video is bullshit. Real world lives only in your video.
Also and then what of you don't have a charger at home? You have to go charge your car every single day ? I really don't see these as practical at all.
Gas and diesel cars lose fuel economy (ie: range) in these conditions. Most of what eats range is tire slip, aerodynamic resistance (air is denser when cold). Engines also become less efficient in the cold, they have trouble starting, they run rich while cold, have more heat loss. Granted, a car that does 600 km per tank in good weather will still do 400 km in this kind of bad weather, but your gas bill jumps up by a good 30%, and gas is already expensive. You also have to use a block heater and oil heater, which consumes electricity anyways;may as well use that electricity to recharge a battery car instead.
Great video! Certainly, more superchargers needed up north. Good to know the supercharger seems to space out around 100km each for cross country roadtrip.
Yes I’m glad I could get that information across. There’s very little info about this online
I’m in North Dakota, the biggest thing that I worry about with a Tesla is long term battery degradation with our winters. I don’t want to have to replace a battery that costs as much as a gently used Toyota Corolla every 5 years.
My 4 year old Tesla still has 92% battery life. That’s 8% degradation in 4 years and over 120,000 kms. Also there are people who reached over 200-400k kms (over 200k miles) with their Teslas and still on the original battery.
Lastly, if you do need to replace the battery after 10 years, you’ll essentially be getting yourself a brand new car as if you started from 0 miles.
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recently, i done road trip from toronto to indiana with 2020 sr+. temp is 4 degrees. honestly it only can go max of 180 km with 90% charge. so which means it is not very good doing highway drive during winter time. also, it i expensive charging supercharge only run 180km. better drive ICE car and it will be cheaper.
All our roads here are 80 mph, I’d like to see a real test, driving at speed, passing people, having the heat blasting inside the car, electric seats etc. I know the battery will be gone in no time in real life situations.
Yeah at that speeds not the best yet. Hopefully battery tech will get better.
What was not real about this test? haha.. also.. 80mph is the MAXimum allowed speed. People seem to forget that.. Beauty with electric cars is that you can always lower you speed to get where you want to go most of the time. When you get your own electric car you will realize that range is not an issue.. I have owned a total of 4 electric cars.. Driving electric for 10 years and only once i had an issue with range and that was with my first car with 70-80km range in the mild winter.. But i made it to the destination anyway.. never ran out of battery.. electric seats, steering wheel heat, radio, lights and so on is not an issue they consume so little energy.. The heat makes a little different but not much.. It's all about the speed you are going.. When driving a tesla the optimum speed vs charging is like 80-90 mph to get where you want to go the fastest.. So it should not be an issue for you.. The slower you go the further you will come but it will also take more time..
Driving at 80mph in Canada is pretty rare. Most highways are at 100kph, people drive 110kph, some highways are at 110kph, people drive at 120kph, but that's not the norm. "Real" driving test always depends on the circumstances of where you are doing the test. He's doing a test in -30c, which would not be likely in the USA unless you are in Alaska.
@@namkablam I lived in Québec for a long time, now New-Brunswick. I rarely see people going above 115 on a 100 highway. There is the occasinal extreme speeder but it is not the norm, also, moose are a thing so most people know it's better to drive slower than faster, especially in hunting season right now.
Temperatures are also colder here than in Toronto, so a test here wouldn't be fair for Toronto.
Point is, a "real test" will be different everywhere.
Great video. Thank you. I noticed you have a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus, it uses the LFP (IRON) based battery. It does not perform well in cold climate compared to the long range model which has a nickel/magneese battery which don't see nearly as much cold climate battery loss (and they have more range).
That's why I'm getting the tri motor cybertruck. Need the most range you can for the cold.
Yesss! I think the cyber truck will have better resistant to the cold
Did you get it lol
Not yet will be the dual now due to the changes and waiting for foundation series to be over don't think I can justify that mark up
Most people are surprised to find out Ecars lack efficiency in winter.
Probably important to know when most
Of North America experiences winter at least 7 months a year
I'm in Winnipeg too! Don't have a Tesla, but one day I will. Thanks for the info on the Winnipeg weather and range.
I know you will! Thanks so much for finding my content and watching my videos 😬
Great video! Looking to buy a m3 LR in 2022 and your advice and experience has made my decision more confident when it comes teslas and our Winnipeg winters. Now there just needs to be a super charger route to russell Manitoba to hit up assesippi in a Tesla and go snowboarding. Currently driving a 2017 leaf and the range in -30 c barely gets me around town for the day. Interior Heat non existent too lol. Thanks again.
Oh yeah a LR Model 3 should do it. I will be doing videos on 2022 Model 3 very soon
Excellent video and thank you for answering the question I've had for so long (I'm in Minnesota).
2022 - My decision to get the RWD over the LR was strictly due to the battery. If they put the LFP battery in the long range, i'd get it hands down...but with the increased price of the Model 3 and the NCA battery in the LR version, its a hard no! I plan to have my tesla for 4 plus years. With the newer LFP battery, I'm confident to have more range in the RWD with a heat pump over the LR after a few years of ownership. I'll be driving in Ontario, 130 km daily roundtrips 4 days a week for work, plus road tripping and daily use on my 4 days off work. No worries whatsoever. 👍👍
6 sec to 100km/h and bad audio, hard pass
glad you made this. looking at an extended range model 3 anyway. you just barely made it the round trip distance i have to go between home and work everyday
If it’s less than 300kms commute, you’ll be good with the long range Model 3
The range on the sr+ was a bit dissapointing to be honest. Not being able to go even 200km on a full charge even if the temperature is as cold as it was in your test is a total bummer. I love EV's and especially tesla's but it makes you think twice before purchasing a car like this if your in colder climates like Canada. Having to stop and charge every 100-200km while on a trip while the weather is cold would be a big hassle. Its ok for daily driving if you travel less then 100km but not so sure about long trips in cold weather. Hopefully Tesla can improve upon its range in colder climates.
Absolutely. Road trips take longer in the winter which is a major block to go out in the first place. Thankfully extreme temperatures are usually here for a month or two. The car starts to perform well above -10C
Yeah in situations like this, it absolutely makes you pause when considering an EV vs an ICE car. People said I was wrong when I told them my M3 has lower range when it's cold outside that my battery just needed to be re-calibrated or something like that. No, it's just getting less range.
Thankfully though, I'm down in Alabama so it's not THAT cold for very long and the car doesn't seem to care about how hot it is in terms of range loss.
@@FastRedPonyCar Heat is actually a good thing for range.. the hotter the battery gets the further you will be able to drive.. Heat is not a good thing for the lifetime of the batteries though.. thats why you have liquid cooled batteries :)
Hot weather is worse on battery than cold. Both extremes are terrible energy suckers if heat or A/C are on. A huge secret kept from new buyers.
@@erowan1389 If that is the 12v battery then yes
Do not use any heat , turn the lights off and best yet push your Tesla in -28 C and see how far you get. Unlimited mileage
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I see your heat is set to 21 °C (70 °F). Turn it down to 18 °C (64 °F) or lower and use the steering wheel heater and butt warmer. Your range will improve pretty dramatically in that weather. The amount of energy used to heat the cabin with resistive heat when it's -30 °C (-22 °F) outside is significant.
Nothing like driving a luxury car and having to turn the heat down and drive below the speed limit to white knuckle your way to a charging station and wait for an hour lolol.
Noted!
Model 3 isn’t quite a luxury car
Maybe I’ll just drive my motorcycle? At least I won’t have to stop every 170km’s LMFAO!
Maybe you can put a hibachi on the passenger seat and turn off all the heat completely. Plus you can roast some wieners for a snack when you have to charge up again. :-)
Realistic testing. Nice. How much km do you get in your daily commute in the city at these similar temperatures? Highway 175km is good to cover the distance between two superchargers.
with newer cars you get 250-300 in the city and 170-200 in the highway in similar temps
Great video. My understanding is that the battery heater will consume 10 to 15 percent a day in this weather if the vehicle is left parked outdoors. Would you totally brick the car if you left it parked outside for a week in -25 temperatures? If the batteries go below a certain voltage they can be permanently damaged or destroyed no?
There is a youtuber who has done a test in those conditions or i think colder and it dropped very small percentages overnight without a charge. As long as the battery has a charge before you leave it out it should be fine tesla only warns anything below -22 for more than 24 hours but seeing people test these limits i think its safe to say you would be able to but it wouldn't be a smart decision when it comes to your battery life.
Misleading title .
I'm pretty sure Yakutsk is the coldest city in the *World* , it does get pretty cold in Winnipeg but nowhere near Siberian Russia
you're right but we do get -48 sometimes but not always
I’m from winnipeg. Just bought a tesla mode 3 and returning it tomorrow. Eating up too much of battery for a long 6 month winter. Barely made it back from Portage La prairie 😅
you can return a car?
Thanks for that video! Very interesting to see an SR+ in action in cold weather like that, I'M in Québec and have to travel north, that kind of info is essential when researching if that model can be a viable option, especially with the 8k$ rebate it qualifies for here
Thank you for watching my video! Bottom line, you can travel for a total of 200 km. So, if you can do that round-trip or you can go one way as well and stay overnight if you have a place to plug in the car overnight at a 220 V outlet
Bro you sound cold as hell like your shivering. I see your wearing what looks like heavy jacket. Do you not have any heat turned on?
The car was warm enough, maybe I was shivering from the anxiety of running out of battery LOL
Cool video. I’m in wpg. Seeing a lot more Tesla’s. Want to buy one when it’s time to upgrade. Do u ever drive outside of wpg? How’s range re how far you can go!?
Also, how’s traction during winter?
Thank you so much for watching. I drive outside of Winnipeg quite a lot actually and you can go from the far west side to the far east side very easily as there is a Supercharger every hundred kilometers
Traction is great as well. I’m using the all season tires that are not really meant for winter i’ve I’ve already spent two winters with no problems whatsoever. Traction control is godly in these cars and if you get winter tires you will never slip
This is an incredibly helpful real world winter test. Ballsy to push it to Fraserwood in -30C, but we appreciate it. That's a massive range drop, 175km, to be arriving on fumes, in -30C. Super not safe for us rural folks if anything goes wrong. But again, thank you for risking it for this super important test.
PS: Did you capture your usage breakdown on this or other trips? Motor, climate, etc?
I didn't get the usage breakdown but I did get some metrics where you can kind of calculate it. I plan to do a similar test this winter on my new Model 3 Long range and I'll definitely be sure to get the breakdowns for that video.
This video is helpful here in Minneapolis.
Thanks for watching 😁😁
If there's a road closure or out of service station or a bad blizzard etc etc. You're in a life threatening situation... how long does it take to charge? Do you have to wait an hr+ at every one of those dots?
Not all the time, but only if you are unprepared
@@teslapeg I agree 100% in the winter when the snow starts randomly, and it gets to 6-8 inches deep after 1 hour. You will be stuck on the side of the highway. Not to mention in Canada the distance between towns can be over a hour easily
Why is the snowflake appearing while you are driving? Wouldn't the battery stay warm while driving?
It keeps it warm enough no not be damaged only. Battery only starts to heat up when you're heading towards a charger or when you're preconditioning in the morning
Do you think the 2021 SR+ will get better range than yours due to the heatpump?
Honestly, not that much more or barely a difference. Heat pump is good when only heating up the car from scratch. But when the car is running in the highway, the car is already pre-conditioned.
Thanks for your helpful videos related to Tesla & Winnipeg! Ill be moving there soon! I'm using your referral code to order a M3!
Thank you so much for watching my videos. Congratulations on your new car and welcome to the family 😁
180km out of 390 is less than 50% & quit scary. My BMW phev has a range of 630km of which 22km of electrical range at -30C.
wow this is great. I have my order placed (Live in Ottawa, Ontario) and videos like this is very informative. Could you do the same route, same speed, same everything except doing it in the summer
For sure! I’ll do the exact same
video and post it on Sunday 10-11AM. I’ll link it here
My neighbor has 1 and tells me he absolutely looses range in the winter vs summer, sais about 15-20% especially in Jan feb
If you have 400 km range why did you go low just in around 175km? Is it because of subzero temp?
Then I reckon it’s not worth having this car for extreme temp countries that are huge like Canada... maybe for city driving but nothing cross country.
Correct! It is very restrictive to drive when the temperature is extreme in the month of December and January. Other than that the weather is pretty nice in the Tesla performs really well when temperatures are above -10°C
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Great. That's like 9 months in Canada.
You must also have it in auto pilot because touching the screen souch keeps your eyes off of the road 🤔
Your battery DOES NOT HAVE ANY DEGRADATION.The range display is a (GOM) Guess O Meter.It calculates your range on your driving habits,Drive like you stole it(Low Range) Drive like a Grandma(Lots of range) You shouldn't charge to 100% on a Supercharger as its a waist of money as the charging rate slows down after 80%(When you get to a supercharger set navagation to the next supercharger the car will show how much you need to get to the next supercharger,Charge to that percentage with a buffer)Medicine Hat supercharger was only down for a few days(Chademo adapter or a destination charger could be a backup plan) .Driving 110 Kmh at -30c is highly risky as if you hight an icy patch and end up in the ditch you could freeze to death before help arrives.Winnipeg is not the coldest city in the world.
This is proven to be incorrect. The car adjusts driving range based on algorithm Tesla has installed and tweaks. The estimated range HAS NOTHING to do with your driving habits. This has absolutely been proven
Actual range driven will be impacted by driving habits. Also driving habits and charging habits can impact the battery pack which will impact range estimates. But the algorithm doesn’t consider your personal driving habits.
This past winter, there were a few weeks where it was - 40 and lower, what was your range in your tesla model 3, also how was the heat inside the car. I'm trying to get all the info I can on owning a tesla in the winter, (-25 to - 40 degrees range). Good video.
I’ve never had any issues heating up the car even when it was like -40. The only thing that I took a hit on is the range and the overnight range loss as I don’t have charging at home
Is this a tesla with the heat pump?
2nd, also hey I’m early first 33 SECONDS gang, love your videos keep up the good work 🥺❤️
Ayyyyyy. Imma be ready for you when you comment on my next weeks video to reply to you in 33 seconds haha
Your tesla's Battery degradation is insane (7.25%) in just one year it lost 31 kms? Thats bad. Usually its 5-6 percent degradation in 5 years right.
Correct. But the degradation is not a constant line. The first year is usually the most amount of degradation and then it reduced to 1-2% per year. If I see higher degradation, I can always reach out to Tesla to have a new battery as the warranty covers it until eight years
@@teslapeg you should probably do that
Were your wheel covers on?
I don't actually remember to be honest but it would be a difference of + or = 20km max
this is the model 3 with the heat pump correct?
Nope. Just the one before that. Resistive heating
awesome video dude. fellow manitoban here. i want to see another video that shows how much energy is used per day in the cold weather if you do not drive the vehicle at all. if you dont touch the car once in an entire week, how much energy is lost? most people just show the "overnight" loss, but not as a per-24H basis. if you only drive twice a week, how does that affect the range?
Overnight in that type of weather it'll be close to 20% over night
4:42 returning to Winnipeg because if you continue heading north you'll have no place to supercharge. LOL
Tesla needs to add more superchargers in Canada or else you'll need to rent a car for a road trip or if you decide to head north.
Supercharger is definitely needed for more EV adoption. Hopefully, that will come soon.
Very true Leo. I could stop at a airbnb and charge but it’s not as convenient as a gas car up north.
Hmmm.. tesla claimed that they install temperature control system to maintain perfect temperature for battery pack...does not it work? Or this model is not equipped with this system?
100%. Better on newer 2023 Models
Tesla and ev in general have casted a spell that people fell for. They will never be as good as a gas vehicle unless you live an area where there is no winter. Considering their upfront costs and lack of efficiency in cold winter, I’ll stick to my gas powered Honda Civic that gives me 250 miles in -25 Celsius. Way cheaper. Plus who wants to get into a car accident when your driving a Tesla?
How much time it takes to charge and hours it lasts in a single charge not as per google?
It takes 30 mins in the supercharger and charging lasts depending on how far or how long you drive it or keep it idle
Hey bro... love ur content... please keep up the great work...
Me and my wife are thinking of buying a tesla model 3 sr+ could you give us a breakdown of costs related.... first time buyer jitters...thanks
That’s a great thing about Tesla. There’s no sleazy salesman trying to sell you car warranty that is already coming with the car. Tesla is totally anti-dealership. So all you have to do is go to their website and put down $2500 for reserving your tesla and then later As the car is being delivered, you can either choose to finance or pay all in cash
47,900 should be the total with $5000 incentive. Make sure you buy from Tesla to get this incentive as dealerships tend to keep this money for themselves
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Sir the ev incentive will kick in at the time of delivery full purchase price or next year at the time of filing my tax return
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@@teslapeg thanks for replying 🙏 i live in maples winnipeg...
You mentioned “I can increase range by driving slower”. Maybe not at this temperature.
Lets assume at 100 km/h and 20°: 6 kW rolling resistance 6 kW air resistance 1 h = 12 kWh,
at 50 km/h and 20°: 3 kW rolling resistance, 0.75 kW air resistance 2 h = 7.5 kWh
The same at -30°: 6 kW rolling resistance 7.5 kW air resistance 1 h, 6 kW heating = 19.5 kWh,
at 50 km/h and 20°: 3 kW rolling resistance, 0.94 kW air resistance, 6 kW heating 2 h = 19.88 kWh
Let's try it for 125 km/h: 7.5 kW rolling resistance, 11,72 kW air resistance, 6 kW heating, 0.8 h = 20.18 kWh.
I think mathematic teachers will put this in a formula and pupils will have to find the optimum speed.
Could You provide data, how much had been for heating?
'I'm definitely NOT panicking...'
He's definitely panicking.
I live in Manitoba too so have you ever had a problem during winter/snow?
There was a bit of a learning curve but the newer 2023 models come prepared for our weather now!
@@teslapeg 2023 models are better for winter because higher range?
Hope you got more Superchargers in the meanwhile, guys
It’s been a couple of years and thankfully we did get a few non-Tesla ones in the city and another Tesla one to a small city close to Winnipeg
I Live in Canada in Cold lake Alberta and it It is not the coldest part in the planet. North Pole is the coldest section
Should have said one of the coldest city
you also still have your heated seats on high the whole time. i am guessing you could do over 200km in -40
It is always better to use the heated seats instead of the heating up the whole car. I could do that, but I don't think it will be a noticeable difference.
The closest thing to a cold weather test so far. Shows EV's are terribly dangerous in extreme cold at distance (imagine -40 with the baby in the car). This is a fixable problem with insulation, auxiliary chemical heat source and slightly larger battery. Tesla, you should fix this.
You should attempt to take the Tesla to the arctic circle in the Northwest Territories when covid is over
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You should do the test without heating the cabin. I did 270km in -25C with my 2019 Bolt EV at 81km/h in some semi mountain conditions, without heating the cabin (because there was 0 fast charge between my destination and my starting point, except for the last 30km where I just wanted to push my car to its limit)
Wow, so you spent extra money for EV instead of ICE vehicle a then travelled in it for more than three hours without heating in -25° C. That makes total sense 😂.
I disagree. We don't travel without heating the cabin anyways.
Wow that’s a first!
@@teslapeg I know some Leaf owners that did that for long trips in winter conditions haha but it's exceptional.
@@martinstastny2745 And now think if you are with your family , wife and kids.
You know you should move when the cities used to test extreme cold is where you live
Lmao 😂
Nice test! I tell people to cut the listed EV range in half for extreme conditions just like this. Where you live, do ICE cars have a lot of issues starting, fuel lines gumming up, etc in the cold? Is an EV more reliable?
I live in Winnipeg where the temperatures go as low as -40 to -50°C. Cars here have a really hard time starting up but my electric car seems to do really well in the cold even with heating up. The heat is almost instant unlike a gas car will take 10 to 15 minutes to even start blowing in heat. The only problem is the range, hopefully this will be fixed in the future
I live in equally cold climates. -50C for days on end. No problem firing up the truck. I dont even use a block heater. If you have an old car (+10yr) you might have issues. But I'd be surprised if any electric vehicle would survive 10years of daily driving under these conditions. Not to mention most cars get +600km per tank in any weather and take 5 minutes or less to fill...
Very good video
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Any information about winnipeg services centre
Yes, they are great. Even though there is no official Tesla service center in Winnipeg yet, the mobile service team is excellent. They haven’t have to send any car out of province yet as they could fix all the problems here. They don’t have an official shop but they come to you when you book an appointment through the Tesla app
Is this m3 the long range or sr+
SR+
My question has always been what is the battery like after spending 8+ hours outside my work for 8+ hrs not plugged in?
I just got my Model 3 SR+ July 31 2021 and this my first winter with it. I've encountered -6 C weather so far during the day (Metro Toronto area). The Tesla app shows you your battery and a blue snowflake will appear if the battery is cold, I've only seen it once for a few minutes before it disappeared when my car was in the garage during a -12 C night time temperature. I just preheat my car for 3 to 5 minutes before I leave work. I do this to get some Regenerative braking because you loose that in the cold and there is always a green warning sign letting you know until the battery is warmer you will have reduced regeneration. So what I'm saying is you just warm the battery before you leave work, I need only a few minutes but in colder temperatures maybe you might need 10 to 15 minutes. The app lets you know everything and control the car, so it's ready to roll when you are.
the answer above is very accurate. With the new Tesla software update on Cold Weather Improvements, it has gotten a lot better.
-12°c is a warm day in the winter in Northern BC and I would have to leave it outside unplugged at work for 8-12hrs at -30°c and -40°c how well does the battery hold a charge in actual winter conditions is my question.
"The main question" is: why did you unplugged the car before the charge was complete?
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So if we want to go from Calgary to Lake Louise and come back with one charge at -30 more likely we will not gonna make it :)
I like to see it in action in -50 now.
Well when it goes down to -46 here then 100%
50% range loss is unacceptable. Audi E-tron in the same temperatures loses only 10-20%.
The E Tron has not gone through intense weather condition like my city yet
@@teslapeg E-tron is the best-selling vehicle in Norway. It would not be the case if it lost 50% of its range every winter day. I have one and during a cold snap a few months ago where we had similar temperatures to yours, I was seeing at most 20% range loss. Tesla is a software company and doesn't know how to build cars.
@@Ficon are there any links you could provide to show this data? I haven't seen any winter testing below -10c
I just got my Tesla Model 3 SR+ 5 months ago and have noticed it's the winter tires that cause most of the reduced range. I changed then mid November and noticed my trips were all using about 30% more energy on the Tesla energy graph even though temperature was pretty much same as when i had my all seasons on my car. It's the grip of the winter tires that reduces range mostly from my experience so far.
What a nightmare lolol
Winnipeg is not the coldest city in the world.
Like to see how the Tesla's performance in the Northwest Territories or some colder parts of Russia.
How would you take tesla to terrorist country?
Wait! According to the news in Chicago, EV’s are completely worthless in winter. lol. There sure are a lot of people and news reporters trying to talk me out of buying a Tesla.
They need to educate more on their EVs. User error
Toycars 😂😂😂
100%
What kind of a joke are you trying to pull? Trying to validate a vehicle as being a legitimate choice with a maximum winter range of 180km in the winter. In Canada... lol Don't get me wrong. I think it's a great choice for someone that never needs to drive outside a major centre for any distance, but in western Canada (and the western US), it's just not a logical choice. When the range improves, as it will as technology continues to improve, it will become a viable option for those that need to drive longer distances as well.
Ironically, western Canada has the most number of Teslas in all of Canada at the moment.
@@teslapeg only because of the enormous amount in Vancouver and the Okanagan Valley where temperatures rarely drop below -10 Celsius. I lived in the Okanagan and a Tesla is almost as common as a Honda Civic with Tesla superchargers at multiple locations but since moving to Edmonton Alberta we see almost as many Teslas as we see Exotic cars with almost no Tesla Supercharge stations.
Edit: in fact we have lived in Edmonton for just over a year and haven’t seen a Tesla Branded charging station yet.
Living in Saskatchewan and just got our Tesla, this is a great video to let us know how far we can go @-30C. I would never travel far in that cold but good to know what to expect if I had to.
So that cold nocked off 53% of your charge.
Interesting video. 184km = 114 miles. My ICE car gives me 450 miles on a full tank on the coldest of days. You should get a reward for your infinite patience. I would be spitting bullets if my car tanked like that on a cold day :)
Welcome to Yakutsk with medium temperature -64°C.
This is why the good lord gave us gasoline.
If you reduce the speed to 0 km/h you can have unlimited range.
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at -20.F you lose 40% capacity. At -30 what do you think it is? Prolly 75% ! Cause as the temp drops BELOW -20 the range will drop EXPONENTIALLY!...
Notice how these owners play a fugazi on you trying to make like you're "Ok".. They are JUNK in the Winter PERIOD!
I can get in my TDI wagon at -20F and drive 900 MILES FULL Power, refuel in 5 minutes and drive ANOTHER 900 Miles!!! Time to Wake UP!
I did a video on that. It doesn’t lose as much
Ah, Tesla peg, as cliché as I remember him 😂
Ayyy thanks for dropping by
110kph totally eats juice fast
"coldest city in the work" :P You went to Russia then:P Yakutsk to be exact
-26C.... Let's see -40C....
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And this is before his battery has natural degradation from age yet. In 5 years he will only have 100km range
-45 to -60
Man that's horrible lol I will just stick with an ICE vehicle
Why did I watch this.
Thanks for watching! 😁
@@teslapeg thanks for having me 🤍
Next time don’t use your middle finger.
So what's the conclusion??? it's just a piece of junk don't buy???
Just buy a car with an internal combustion engine and be done with this nonsense.
Not the coldest city in the world
hahah so a little over 100 miles in winterland. ok.
Yepp for now
@@teslapeg Doesn't seem to be as green as advertised. :)
@@r.h.0101 still 2x cheaper than gas in winter to run. Also gas cars lose efficiency too
@@teslapeg Meh. I will stick with my honda for now. Good video/channel!
@@r.h.0101 thanks for watching and supporting my channel 😁
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Coldestcity in the world! Clickbait 😡
Norther Canada where I live was -45 for a most of the winter, some places were - 62. This whole video is bullshit. Real world lives only in your video.
Shit car 👀
Lol this is terrible so a person could barely drive to work and back
If your work is a 200kms commute and you bought the base Model Tesla
@@teslapeg 130 round trip. But then what about it sitting again all day in the parking lot
Also and then what of you don't have a charger at home? You have to go charge your car every single day ? I really don't see these as practical at all.
Nice, driving at -30 with no heat to go 170km wery well .... and pay 50000 for this??????
Gas and diesel cars lose fuel economy (ie: range) in these conditions. Most of what eats range is tire slip, aerodynamic resistance (air is denser when cold). Engines also become less efficient in the cold, they have trouble starting, they run rich while cold, have more heat loss. Granted, a car that does 600 km per tank in good weather will still do 400 km in this kind of bad weather, but your gas bill jumps up by a good 30%, and gas is already expensive. You also have to use a block heater and oil heater, which consumes electricity anyways;may as well use that electricity to recharge a battery car instead.
Maybe one day they will figure out a way to winterize and insulate the battery’s in -30 weather
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@@teslapeg your welcome I’m probably your biggest fan 😂 also call me Alfie