Can My Model Y Handle The Extreme Cold? (-10 Deg F) Preheating, Range Impact, Regen & Charging
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Can the Tesla Model Y handle extreme -10 Deg F cold? I look at pre-heating, driving efficiency, range hit, regeneration and charging. Pretty much everything you to know.
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My sister live in AL and asked how my car held up. I told her this was my first AWD and I feel I can go through anything and heats up faster than my van did. You do need to make sure you have more energy but planning ahead is not that hard.
It is still 100% doable in these extreme conditions. Like you said, just need a little more planning. Thanks for watching!
Owning a Car that New and That Much money$ and had to plan? My Subaru Legacy Model L 1992; bought with Extra 4 Rims and Winter Tires Bridgestone = All Made in Japan and winter 1996 = which was 4 year old for the Car; I plug the car in, parked outside because it was at the Drilling Services Company Shop -- Minus 40°F/C and windchill like -50°F = C'est La Vie; and I had an Interior Heater for the Car bought from 🍁 🍁 Tires Dept Stores at 100 CAD$ = set timer for 2 hours (I could have set up to 4 hours = Cost nothing because 🛢 🛢 because Company's Electricity and Crude Oil WTI was 10 dullars a barrel... Car started like nothing and within 10 min; There I went off, and since it is an ICE; winter time we have a Bra Covered the Grille so more heat went to the Chamber; ... That Teslas can't match and Teslas will die in that Cold (and like what had happened here in the Last 10 days)...
C'est La Vie (if you are rich, be my guest = be a Sheep of Elon-gate = I don't wanna be -- And my Subaru Legacy was stolen Last year May 2023; I was on my way restoring the Car Body (some rust not like all Subie's) and Everything Original Except 1 Set of All Season Tires, the Winter and Rims still in Good Shape. 2 CV Axels Changed and Transmission Fluids Flush... And Timing-Belt in 2019 once! Oil changes = Myself cost 25-35% a Year 2-3 times depend on how much I have driven. And So are my Older Brother Honda Accord = that could reach 500,000 miles on Original Engine. Dealer services his Accord since new 2005 and Dealer even wanna buy it back from him = he said no why do I have to spend? IT Manager have money don't care how much cost to have routine Maintenance and his Sister In Law = A Dentist, she has both Tessie Moro0n and Lexus and Humvee... But drive the Humvee/Lexus in the Winter.
Cheers,
My 2023 model y performance gets 140 miles from a 90% charge down to 0%. I have an average of 360 wh/mi. A supercharge costs me $18 during off peak hours. Pre-Heating and vehicle standby is using 47 miles. I drive the car in chill mode like a normal ice car and I won't turn heating off to get more range. This is what people won't tell you and you only learn by owning the car. Regardless, I love the car and it's a blast to own and drive in any weather.
Yes, I would concur the LR is very similar in range at -10F
In half of Canada-10 is moderately cold compared to minus 20 and 30 degrees. I can that deep freeze. My finding is that a lot of hybrids (Toyota Rav4s, for example) do not start.
Don’t forget the car will precondition the battery when you turn on climate or do scheduled departure. Preconditioning can take a half hour or longer in extreme cold. You can see if the battery is pre-conditioning in the mobile app main screen.
Some cold weather tips:
1. Park it inside if possible to keep the battery from getting so cold. You barely got off snowflake before you made it to the supercharger so you know the battery was still really cold. While you were getting such bad wh/mi it was probably because it was trying to heat the battery too even with it not being on precondition. You may want to go into service mode to see more details about the battery and what is going on with all the temps.
2. If you have to charge outside, set your charging to be ready right before time to leave so you will start with a warmer battery.
3. Also, charge a little higher than normal 80%, it's not bad on your battery to charge to a higher percentage like 90% or even 95% if you are not going to leave it at that state of charge for very long.
4. Precondition your car while it is still plugged into your charger so it runs off AC power instead of the battery. This way won't won't lose hardly any battery from heating right before you leave.
Here's a better tip: don't be a dumb-ass EV owner.
I would like to add my experience in CO this winter with our new (October) MYP. My office is 60.4 miles from my garage by G Maps. I have a level 2 charger in the garage and set it to 30A. I charge overnight to 80%. I have the schedule set to prep the car for 5:30 departure and it is always ready when I leave. At that time I experience what I would consider average traffic, mostly highway, driving, and speeds in the 75mph range for most of the trip. I believe that it usually sits at just under 50% charge but I usually leave the indicator set to miles. It sits outside during the day under a hail awning and right next to charging stations which I have never used. I have the afternoon pre-condition set for 3 pm and usually leave sometime shortly after that. My commute home is a different route with a little more stop and go moderate to heavy traffic on back roads with an average speed closer to 60 mph. When I get home I am usually somewhere between 25 and 28%. The under zero temp the last couple weeks seem to have a minimal affect so far. In my use case, I feel this is ideal. if we are going to go out to dinner, I plug it in when I get home and it usually gets another 10% or so before we head out. We have tow other winter capable vehicles that we drive if conditions dictate or if we are going to pull our snowmobile trailer up into the mountains. However, the MYP does outstanding in the snow. I will add that we are running the T Sportline Overland wheel package with Wild Peaks for the winter. I will put the 21" Ubertines back on for summer. I believe that I have only used the Supercharger system 3 times. Thanks for all the great content.
Thanks Living in Australia we don't get winter snow like this so very interesting to watch Cheers
One of your most compelling videos. Practical information, simply stated and very useful even in my Mid-Atlantic area where it unseasonably cold.
Thanks. I appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
Agreed John, I don't like what I hear from the video, but he gave an excellent review with some good tips. Much better than that nonsense coming out of Chicago with the mass hysteria media. We live in Charlotte NC, so an EV is still in the running when we are ready to get a new vehicle.
Excellent real world scenarios. Keep em coming!
Will try. Thanks for watching!
Good video. You mentioned "typical" commute a few times and it might be helpfl to break that down further. A typical HOMEOWNER would simply have their car fully charged and warmed up in the morning. How would that affect the watt hr per mile and preconditioning? Your test would seem more geared towards APARTMENT dwellers or RIDE SHARE drivers picking up their rentals first thing in the morning. I think it would be worth while to do a test showing what can be done to minimize the effects of cold weather. That 10%-80% cold weather range at 540 watt hours per mile is a killer.
Probably should have said typical commute home. Yes. If you can precondition in your garage while plugged in (which I do) things are much better. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for all the information on your cold weather drive and charging. I am lucky that I am retired, I do live in the Chicago area, and do not do long trips with my Model Y. I keep the vehicle in a home garage and only charge it up when needed - do not use/need public charging stations. I do use preconditioning if vehicle is cold before I go out to drive around town. The colder weather now, the battery does get used up much quicker.
So, the way I use my Tesla mentioned above, I am not at all about driving in the colder weather.
Take care.
Good morning. I rented the red Tesla M3 yesterday at CID, this would be the same car I had at the Bethany, MO supper charger when I was able to meet and chat with you and Brian. It was about 6 degrees when I picked it up and for being new to driving a Tesla I got along just fine. When I headed back to Cedar Rapids from Muscatine the predicted percentage of battery was to be 6%, when I arrived at the HY-Vee supercharger I was at 4%. I will be going out again today at -6 degrees, we will see how I get along. I have watched almost all your videos and I have started watching Brian's as well. Keep informing..
While I would never buy an EV, I have been impressed with the improvements or maybe watching the videos have changed my perception. I live in a fairly rural setting in the Black Hills of South Dakota, and two issues keep me from being interested. One is lack of charge stations, and two is how far the nearest service center is. EVs do not seem to be a good choice for those who like to work on their own vehicles. From parts, tools, and information, it appears most EV makers do not want you to fix your own vehicle.
Great video. It's worth mentioning that ref HOT weather supercharging: This was the hottest Summer (2023) in Central Texas that I can remember and at times I was supercharging my July 2023 MYLR in 110 degrees Fahrenheit plus.
You may be shocked that in 110 degrees the battery STILL needs to precondition. I would never have guessed that ambient air temps that high would ever be a condition where the battery still likes to be hotter to charge.
I took that as a good sign for where I live and work this car and her sister that I picked up in Dec 2023.
Jim good video. In my experience the first leg of a trip, assuming your road tripping where you use superchargers along your trip, the first leg is always less efficient than the subsequent supercharger stops. This is due to the initial temp of the battery not getting to operating temp. If you were to do a test to Des Moines and back I think you would see that difference. During normal temps, you can see this in the difference of initial arrival percentage to when you’re on the road as it increases. When it’s cold and I’m on the road it’s imperative to always charge when you arrive for the night, then leave the next day and charge some 100-150 miles down the road and the battery will be nice and toasty ready for a fast charge.
Hi Dave. Very good point. The Supercharger season will do a very good job heating up the battery and I should have done the trip in reverse to see if that impacted things - I'm sure it would have. Just didn't have the time that day. I should have mentioned that.
You did a great review based on my feeble humble opinion, what I see is that what an EV gains as relative free energy with regen in warm weather, the fossil fuel gives us free energy in the cold with its waste energy. Since most places have more warm days than very freezing cold, my thumbs up still goes to the EV. ( Bottom line is no free lunches in the world of energy ) Also wanted to mention, Remember years ago, Volkswagen used to have a gasoline powered cabin heater for the winter time because the main locomotion air cooled engine did not provide enough heat. ( Just a fun tip for ya'll ) They never did work too good. I remember back in the 1980's I had a Chevy Sprint, little 1 liter 3 cylinder engine. the engine was so small, I had to preheat the cabin on the coldest days with a space heater before driving it away, Engine just didn't put out enough heat, but I did get 70 mpg on the high way. LOL Have a good day my EV friends.
Great video thanks for all you do ❤
You do a great job ! As an Iowan, I'm probably a bit biased, but I think you are super fair and the videos are always interesting to watch. Keep it up !!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
I love how the camera lines up perfectly to the left eye of the passenger seat. Make the seat look a little beady-eyed.
It should be noted that sub-zero temperatures typically don’t stay around longer than 3-5 days in the lower 48 Midwest-states. It’s already 40-50°F warmer than temperatures experienced 5 days ago in the midwest.
I mean cool video but if you live in a cold climate and don't have a home charger, even 120 volts, ..., you're doing EV ownership wrong. It went down to close to -20C where I live last night. Both of my EVs are fully charged (to 80%) sipping electricity as they need during the day/night.
I'm assuming you have an NMC battery. Do you consider charging to 85-90% in the winter to help make up for lost range?
Great video. I live in Colorado and just purchased a 2021 model y,my first Tesla. it got down to 10 below the other night noticed that the battery precondition would kick in to keep the battery warm I think. As I had the vehicle plugged in a 110 outlet here in my garage as I work out of the house and do little driving.
Welcome to one of the many reasons that the plan to convert all cars to EV is a complete failure already. Oh well, history repeating itself yet again. 😂😂😂
@@JetFire9You’re right about one thing - this is absolutely history repeating itself. Where you were wrong is that you are the one from history that thought horses and buggies would never be replaced by cars. In other words, your viewpoint is going to go the way of the dinosaurs.
The whole country is laughing at Tesla owners right now. Embarrassing
We drove our 2022 MYP when it was -5F and all I did was pre-condition the car before I departed my garage. Ran errands all over the St Louis area that day with temps never reaching higher than 2F and never had a problem. But then I knew the rules and followed them. It's folks who park outside and can't plug in and "cold soak" the battery that is asking for trouble.
Excellent review. I have an S Plaid and noticed the range hugely impacted in extreme cold. But like you said, it made no real difference to be on the daily. Just got home with less change and more of the night to charge it. I usually charge it to 75% so I increased it to 80 and one day 90 because I had s lot of local trips to go on and never had an issue. It’s also super nice to get into a warm car! I’d still recommend Tesla all day long.
It helps!! I wonder if my late 2023 Model Y is any more efficient than your 2021, in the cold?
The Michelin Cross Climate tires are the best rain & snow tires money can buy in my opinion. Great Choice!
Thanks for the informative video. I'd like to see that same test, but this time with an effort to conserve range.
For example, it's well known that keeping the cabin heat high consumes much more power than setting the temp lower while using seat heaters. I have a 2023 MYLR up at the southern New Hampshire border where we have plenty of cold snaps at or below zero, so I drive with the cabin at 66ºF (19ºC) with my seat heater usually on low, sometimes medium if it's really cold. I occasionally might put my seat heater on high just for a few minutes to take that initial chill out of the seat but then quickly drop it to low. In fact, the car's auto seat-heater mode does a good job managing this process. I also drive much slower in the winter to conserve range when necessary. If I'm just running into town and back, a 45 minute round trip, I'll splurge on heat and won't worry about driving fast. If I'm driving longer distances, on the other hand, I drop the heat to 66º F (19ºC) with the seat heater on low, and maybe zip up my coat if I get chilly, but the cabin at this temperature is really not bad at all.
Just two weeks ago, early Jan 2024, I drove with a friend across country in his 2023 MYLR, towing a small Uhaul trailer. I knew that trailer would essentially cut his range in half. To make matters worse, it was also winter, so driving from charger to charger would certainly be a challenging experience. We were only able to drive for 1 1/2 hours and no more than 120 miles or so, and our frequent stops at chargers often required longer charge times because we needed more juice (ie, more than 80%) to get to the next charger. We made it and only we only had to use a ChargePoint charger one time in a mountainous stretch in Utah (dang good thing I thought to bring my CCS adapter!). The interesting part of this experience is that when my friend drove, he regularly drove at 80+ mph (129kph) speeds and kept turning the cabin heat up. When I drove, I got 20-30% better range because I knew how to conserve battery power: much lower speeds, lower cabin heat with low seat heaters, slower speeds going up hills, no passing (requires acceleration) unless absolutely needed, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love to drive fast, but speed kills range. Needless to say, I always did the driving when we were faced with a really long stretch between chargers, when we really had to pinch Watts. We did make it to our destination (near 3000 mi or 4828 km) and, while challenging, the experience did prove that conservative driving and conservative cabin-heat management were key to maximizing our range for the trip.
With all of that said, it would be great if you could perform this same test with a more conservative driving methodology to show people how much can be gained with a few simple changes. It can mean the difference between getting stranded and making it to a charger.
Hmm. I'd check your regen settings. I drive in northern Indiana even at 4 degrees F I get some regen and within 6 or 10 miles of driving I get almost full regen.
I do to. There is a difference between +4 and -10 apparently. Thanks for watching!
Yes, it can handle. My model 3 just handled -20F after sitting at the park-n-fly lot for 5 days. Just make sure your car is more than 50% charged and the 12v battery(if yours is the lead acid) is fairly new.
Jim an amazing test and video. I see now why there is such a big deal recently about the EPA rating!! Wow only 95miles … unreal … great job on this video … very helpful!! Thank You!
Obviously I could go longer than that if I charged to 100% but realistically, you can't do that and get anywhere quickly. These are extreme conditions. 99% of the time, you are fine. Thanks for watching!
He’s playing Russian roulette every time he goes out in that car in the winter. Especially extreme cold. I wish him well
For the regeneration which takes time to kick in... At the red light, I put the parking brake on and miraculously the regeneration is there....
After 5 min.I have already done it on a mountain descent because there is no regeneration, stopping for 2 seconds, the time to press the button.
Yes, I was shocked to see how hot Defrost could do. I was sweating and had to roll down the windows to cool the interior down.
It does work really well. Thanks for watching!
Your seats look like a cartoon character..😂
Great testing. Loved the detail and the narration. The service screen shows the battery temp. It would be interesting to start just the preconditioning via the app and then see how the battery temp rises over time. Perhaps using a camera to monitor the service screen during the preconditioning. I'm guessing that for charging and regen the battery temp needs to be within some defined range and the snowflake indicator goes off when the temp rises to the low end of the temp range. I would think Tesla determines the batt temp range based on what is optimal for battery longevity and hitting the low end of the range may not be optimal for either charging or regen capture. I wonder if app initiated preconditioning continues until it hits the optimal batt temp for charging & regen? I also wonder how the very low air temps reduces the efficiency of the heat pump and then increases the time it takes to precondition?
On short local trips on sub40mph secondary rural/suburban roads I often get 4 or even more than 5 miles per kWh (less than 200 watts per mile) but overall, including interstate travel and worst of all sitting parked in sentry mode or camp mode, my car is at less than 2 miles per kWh over the last six months. Excluding parked usage, my mileage is similar to yours. (2023 MYLR HW4)
let's get real world, let the car set all night in the cold and see what happens, not all people have heated garages, and to me if you put a video out like this get both sides first not just the best of conditions.
Your video is very informative. It makes my decision more accurate about Tesla.
EV's aren't magical. They are cars. They work differently. They are still vastly better than ICE cars IMO. Thanks for watching!
You don't need to heat up the cabin so high if you're only looking to warm up the battery a little overnight if it's not plugged in. The vary minimum settings will do the trick and will only use a tiny fraction of energy. Less than 1 percent if you don't have anything else running such as sentry mode. That's another test you can do for your viewers.
excellent real world info... mine wont see those -temps ever (i hope) - but so very good to know real (not news) info.
If the range is 95 miles, you have to be lucky to find a charger at the 95-miles-point. So, in realtity, the practical range might be even less.
I shared this on Twitter. Great ifo for those in extreme cold conditions. I live in San Diego inland where, I believe, the record lows have been in the twenties perhaps once every decade.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for watching!
I’m curious to try something similar with my 23’ Y performance. Just to see if the octovalve allows the car some better efficiency. I do a 62 mile drive every day and in the summer I typically use somewhere around 25%. Yesterday in single digit temps I used around 33% it seems like the octovalve may be helping vs older model cars without.
What was the Wh per mile efficiency after supercharging? Should have been better with the battery warmed up?
Excellent video!! Answered a lot of my questions about Tesla Y. I guess I'll have to get use to the "new" nomenclature. XXX miles per watt hour and preconditioning the battery. The range in cold conditions for me might be a problem, but being retired will help. No need to drive everyday obviously. Question - What kind of home charger do you have?? Level 2 and Tesla???
Driving in ultra cold weather in a cold soaked car you get no regen because the battery is too cold to take a charge. If plugged in while preheating you can preheat the battery. This takes 30 to 60 minutes depending. You should always Navigate to Supercharger. You will charge faster because battery is already somewhat warmed en route.
I'd inflate the tires while out of the garage, in the cold because that's the real use case for the tires. Also, I do not know about rust issues with Tesla, but I would not house my car in a heated garage in the winter because heat and salt accelerates the rusting process.
Sounds about no surprise here. Reference to Consumer Reports and the Finnish "Winter FLTP" test done last Sunday by hundreds of EVs (mostly Teslas) got reduction of 30% of WLTP (European 'EPA official range is 331 milea) in -7 °C or 19.5 °F temperature.
Yeah, it's basic physics, your ICE car battery drops in capacity at roughly the same rate. Where we are today with EV's/batteries is NOT where we will be 10 years from now, solid state batteries are about 18 months away, double the density, half the weight. Make the EV have a 400 mile range, then if you lose 30% capacity in the cold, you'll still have 300 miles range. Tesla chargers are for the most part reliable and maintenance is performed regularly on them, it's the rest of the industry that needs to clean up their act and do better maintenance on theirs. We didn't transition from horse to car in a day, took over 10 years, because they still had to build gas stations, ICE to EV will follow a similar path, and more chargers are being built and added to the national network daily.
In slippery conditions, is regen a good idea. I had a car with a manual transmission and low gearing and sometimes I would feel the car slide when I let off the gas in slippery conditions. It may not regen because the battery is cold, but sliding might be bad.
After seeing the Bucktown music festival in Davenport. I went to my cheap hotel that the window heat pump was off because the building's mass was keeping the room at 62. Heat pump running all night almost had the room up to 72. Remember when heat pumps were all you needed till reality hit. Filled my tank up with $2.51 18% gasohol. Went to the Walcott truck stop and had their $18/ 1 pound bone in ham steak which is worth the money. Drove up to Tipton to Cedar Rapids to Palo north to look at the massive Solar Farm being built north of the nuclear plant. (Now decommissioned and the solar farm is impressive) Got home to Brandon, Iowa with 152 miles on the clock. $43.1 MPG for a miserable Saturday with my Prius. A fun day for 4 gallons of gas. Note to self. The hotel across the street has newer window heat pumps with an electric heater strip that pumps out hot air. In the early 1980s we went 14 plus days with nothing above 0 Fahrenheit. This is not a cold year compared to history in Iowa.
I used to be a Cedar Rapidian. Recognize some of the waypoints. My sympathies! Your video is an excellent advertisement for ICE vehicles in your latitudes. Winter is a very bad time for BEVs these days.
Tip on tire pressure: Don't rely on warm air pressures to tell you how the pressures will be in cold Temps. Once you adjust to cold air pressures, the opposite happens as air Temps warm up in Spring/Summer.
Nitrogen fills avoids most of this.
There are a couple of things to consider here. Remember that the coefficient of drag increases when traveling against the wind. I don't know if you mentioned this. Also, the very fact that the density of air that is -10F is waaay more than at 70F. Then you have rolling resistance which on a snowy surface is significant. Add to this your tires being low and if they are winter tires (all season?) they are more sticky than summer driving tires. So it's kind of difficult to calculate in an open and uncontrolled environment. I can't do graphics here but you can research this. Suffice it to say that airdensity+drag+wind+rollingresistance will be a big hit on your range.
You recall that I pointed out that a gallon of gasoline at -10F has the same energy as a gallon at 70 degrees. But if you measure by batteries, they have lower charge when they are cold. So a pound of gas does not change and a pound of battery DOES until it is warmed and held constant.
That said, ALL cars suffer from the same constraints including the salient points I mentioned for an electric vehicle.
Still your demonstration was helpful and allows us to understand at least something about the limitations of the vehicle.
to reduce screen glare, try putting a black towel on the passenger seat. It helps. It would also be interesting to see what the wattage of seat warmers on high are, since that is something independent we can control. Nice experiments. Thanks.
Cold tire pressure should be set at ambient temperature, not garage temperature. Result in this test was tire pressure was significantly below manufacturer's recommendation.
@iowatesla Regenerative braking doesn't give very much back to the battery. When I used the Teslafi app the most regen returned was 1% on my Model X. Using FSD hurts range since it usually leaves from a dead stop too fast. You will get more range using your foot lightly from a start then turning on FSD after you reach the speed limit.
-10F is not extreme cold, try -40F. With ICE, cold temperatures only impact the initial start up. Once running, cold temperatures only minimally reduce fuel economy. With EV, cold temperatures will impact the vehicle the whole time.
My 2023 Model S Long Range is recovering energy every single time. These days in Canada, we have -10 C everyday. I would suggest to check with Tesla. That's not ok. I see that green bar every single time when not accelerating.
I do to at those temps. Just not at -23 C. Thanks for watching!
At minus 25 C here in Canada. All good. Feeling like -30 C. Zro issues. Recharging every single time. Maybe the Y batteries work differently than mine in the 2023 S. Check with Tesla why? Not normal at all. @@iowatesla
I like how your camera lens lines up with the passenger seats eye 😂
very interesting, thanks for doing the test.
I get about 255wh/mile in the model y for 3 seasons. Never seen 500+ wh/mile 😅 . Garage charging eliminates most of the inefficiency seen in this video. This is only realistic on a road trip with nowhere to plug in overnight.
That's great efficiency. I agree charging at home will make this better - and I do. In this case, this is a simulation of the drive home - when your car has been cold soaking for a while. Thanks for watching!
Great review.
Very helpful information, real world testing. A home with a garage and a level 2 charger is needed . That requirement alone knocks out a lot of people . These are extreme conditions that do not last that long. Still has to be considered when purchasing a Tesla or other EV.
Eventually, there will be Level 2 chargers at grocery stores, workplaces and apartment buildings.
This is what they have in places like Norway, where over 80% of new cars are full EV.
In fact some parts of the US have it, but it will be needed everywhere.
Thanks for the real world examples. This content will make it easier for people to decide on going EV or not. For me, it won't work well. I'm not anti EV. A hybrid would be more of a fit as things are now. I was looking at used model Ys but don't trust they will last a long time outside of warranty without significant cost repairs. Even the asking price of 2020/21 Tesla Y's are about the price of a new Toyota Rav4 Hybrid. At this time, I'll go that route if I decide to trade in my 2018 Tundra. I know the Tesla would be more fun to drive but everything else is a turn off. Even with solar panels on my house, it isn't a fit for me. I know the Rav4 will be fine 10 years from now. Tesla Y, no idea. Only more time will tell. The cost of repairs, batteries and drive motors are prohibitive to buying them used out of warranty. I hope you keep yours a long time to show us how it really is to own one long term (10 years).
I normally have my Tesla wall connector set to 48 amps for recharging to 80% after off-peak rates start (for me, it is 10PM). And, depending on my usage that day, it takes 1-3 hours to get back to 80%. Last night, due to extreme cold (-14), I lowered my charging amp rate to 24 thinking it would keep my battery warm longer during the longer (about 2-6 hours) overnight charging period. Make sense or not?
Cedar Rapids could use a few more supercharger locations, Uptown Marion are you listening?
Facts! Thanks for watching!
I think sentry mode can use a lot more in many situations. Is not necessary unless you're in a bad area.
Fairfield to Altoona supercharger, started off at 93% and ended up w/ 6%, 113 miles. way to close for comfort, we need a supercharger in Oskaloosa
Hard to sell Telsa as great in freezing weather given the Chicago and Edmonton fiascos at various charging locations where many drivers were forced to abandon their Teslas. You're presumptions are you will always keep a charged up battery. Once a Tesla battery is totally dead you can't even get in the car! When people go to charge at a supercharger location; they do so because they already have a low charge; when they find other Teslas abandoned in stalls, and long waits they can end up with such a dead brick also forced to abandon their vehicles; result a total cluste particularly if there are power outages which happen in winter a lot.
New to channel and have considered a Tesla. But, it seems more inconvenient than a gas car. So, sincere question, why is it worth it...
Since you live in a cold climate, have you considered EV Insulate? Supposedly their foam insulation adds 15% range in cold climates.
My regen in my 2018 Nissan Leaf works at -16 DegF.
Very good! Thank you.
Oh, BTW... It would be helpful to know the cost of the charges at these stations and cost of replacement items such as tires. I know EVs use a special tire but that is all I know. Do you replace them with the same tires or? Cost? Thank you for the informative videos. While I don't think they are the right fit for me, they are getting better, and the infrastructure should improve, which could change my position on ownership.
The cost of the tires can vary based on the specific model. For me, I drive a Model Y Long Range with 20” wheels. When I replace the OEM All Season tires, it will cost me $1315 from The Tire Rack plus labor. There may be cheaper options, but with these EVs you want your tires to do 2 things beyond the basics (Safety) : 1) quiet and 2) good wear performance. These are not run flats, but they have foam insulation for less road noise. I do not think that $300 or $350 per tire is outrageous. Drive a BMW you’ll pay the same or more for their run flats. As for the cost of supercharging, it varies and is a bit complicated to compare the price per kWh with MPG. I did some calculations. To drive 320 miles at 10F, it cost me $40 in supercharger fees. The car had a 90% charge at the start of the journey. This is comparable with a typical $45 in gas costs to travel in a typical crossover like an Edge, which averages 25 MPG and gas at $3.50 / gallon. In warmer weather, the Tesla will be a bit cheaper with supercharging. The real cost savings comes with charging at home.
I own a Honda CRV. it's very cold in Toronto today.I turned on the car. Everything was fine and I drove off...
Imo. The initial 70ish kW charging is bc the supercharger is preheating your battery a little more, once it got a little warmer via the supercharger it charged faster.
Probably on future seasons. It peaked out at 140kW and then dropped. I didn't show it on camera. It never went back up for that charge. Thanks for watching!
Great info for a potential future customer of a Tesla
Glad you found it useful. You will love it I guarantee. Thanks for watching!
How warm was the battery?
How much snow and ice was on the car? (nothing by the look of the roof)
Try this on a deep frozen car. It will not take 10 minutes...
Good idea for a video. The whole situation needs to zoom out and get context: how many wh/mile is a gas car using to cover the same distance? How many wh/mile is a gas car using in summer vs winter?
Exactly. Not talked about enough. Thanks for watching!
I have model 3 2023 I live next to supercharger and I always have re-regen even in 15 F cold morning. All I do is set scheduled departure for 3 AM and car pre-heats . My average is no more than 350 wh/mi max I only loose like 20 -30% of ramge in this cold weather of 15 F .You numbers are wrong because you didn't drive the car long enough after the car warms up it is consuming less
Nice video. Very informative. I guess you were lucky here. Didn't have the problems they had in Chicago with a bunch of dead Teslas waiting to charge.
I drove about 300 miles today, started with just over 3/4 tank of gas on my Chrysler 300 and still have 1/4 tank. If i had to drive EV, I'd still be waiting at a charger just so i can make it home......and losing billable time.
Sligjtly unrelated question. How much more is your insurance on your Teslas? From what I've read, EV owners pay a premium because they are very expensive to repair. Im just wondering.
The problems in Chicago were a unique, one time event. It was caused by a combination of three things:
1) Blackouts that took down three data centers at the same time. And some gas stations too.
2) A recent surge of new EV owners, who made a lot of rookie mistakes.
3) General lack of adequate charging infrastructure in the Chicago area. They're behind other big cities in this regard.
All of these things can be prevented in the future. EVs are huge in Scandinavia - even above the Arctic Circle, but they don't have these problems.
thanks for the insight, horrible efficiency, totally makes me not want to drive my Y in the winter when winter traveling
Winter time u need to give EV car to heat up batteries for 20-30 minutes before u go charging. So don’t let ur batteries go below 20% , extrem cold u wil need to charge more often. N that’s all.
He never said the range drops to less than half of what they said it would make.
You need to get you some hills in Iowa? Does just breaking unnecessarily a number of times to generate some friction, heat, maybe help?
Am I asking for trouble? I live in northern Indiana and may be driving up to 250-300 miles a day. I’m about to take delivery of a new model y LR. Anyone doing this successfully?
excellent. thanks!
Thanks for watching!
What is the formula you are using to calculate how many miles my Tesla will get?
I’m new to Tesla . Just bought a ‘23 My.. what’s a good efficiency for these cars ? I know mpg but have no idea with Evs.. thanks
Thanks for this video. Those who don’t want folks to buy a Tesla are making a big deal over the EV news in Chicago regarding the effects of cold weather on EV’s. Many know that teslas have been tested in Alaska (where the military tests their vehicles)and the Arabian desert.
100% Thanks for watching!
At any fuel price, nothing your $60,000 EV can compare with beats a warm gas station with warm rest rooms and huge fresh hot coffee after 3 minutes filling the tank for another 8 hours on the road, refreshed with the hot water heater making the car and the partner you love toasty warm.....
One way commute driving . . .to work.
I saw the Fox video with the claim that the Tesla takes 3.5 hours longer for the NYC-to-Chicago trip. Typical mass media FUD. Tesla is disrupting a lot of monopolies and pays the price. The topic requires a lot more explanation than Fox gives in a 3 minute video. 3.5 hours longer than what? a gas car that doesn’t stop at all other than to get gas over the 13 hour trip? Who does that? In the real world you might stop several times for food or to just stretch your bones or take a bathroom break. The main difference for the EV would be that you would dovetail in some of the charging while you’re stopped. You don’t have to stand next to the EV while it charges. Yes, on a long trip the EV is more limiting and probably would take longer especially in the rare case of being in a big fat hurry on the trip, but I balance this against the actual vast majority of driving when the EV is fully charged at home every morning. No more “Oh, I gotta stop for gas” when you just want to get home after work, or you are on the way to be somewhere at a certain time. Gas cars are what we are used to, but are they really that convenient? Right now (again) I’m trying to figure out how to get a check engine light to go away so I can pass emissions and get re-registered blah blah. The loss of money sucks but the loss of time sucks more.
I don't download extra apps. Is it required to download an app when you buy a Tesla? By the way, most people don't have a garage...
precondition could also mean keeping the battery in a healthy range automatically, even before you hit the climate button.
Sure. I don't know if the 3% vs 6.5% difference was due to just heating the battery while it set in the parking lot. Thanks for watching!
Where do you get the head rest covers from. I love that
Google man… 🤦
There is a link in the description. Amazon. Super cheap. Thanks for watching!
@@iowatesla thank you. It’s unavailable but will check again soon. I did forget to check your info. So sorry 😔 love your videos though.
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Your wh/mile numbers always seem high to me when I watch your videos. I live in Colorado which I would guess is similar to your climate zone. I have a 2023 Model Y LR with stock tires. I only had one long road trip in May of last year. Most of my driving I would say is 70% around town and 30% highway. Perhaps your driving is flipped at 70% highway which might be making the difference. Here are my numbers for last year with our average monthly temp.
Month Wh/mi Temp°
Jan 268 29.0°
Feb 276 33.0°
Mar 246 39.0°
April 239 49.0°
May 271 59.0°
June 241 65.0°
July 260 73.0°
Aug 249 72.0°
Sept 231 68.0°
Octo 229 57.0°
Nov 254 42.0°
Dec 252 38.0°
Also if you want more info about your battery temp, turn off the feature that simulates regen when cold. You will have to brake yourself but I think you will see from the bar (on the left side) a lot more info about when your battery has reached the desired temp. However you will lose all this new info on the bar if you put it in to auto pilot.
Thanks for the feedback. Those are great efficiencies. I go to Colorado a lot and I always get much better efficiency there for some reason compared to Iowa. This is clearly worst case. Super cold and I get in and go. I think after that Supercharger season, your battery will heat up and things will get better.
@@iowatesla Just want to say I really enjoy your videos and the honesty that you bring to them. If you are up for it, the next time you are traveling in Colorado perhaps we can meet up for a stretch of your journey and we can travel with both cars in the same conditions and compare wh/mile. I have a feeling it would make for an interesting test.
Teslas are not good when it is too cool or too hot. They are not recommended for dense urban centers or rural farm lands... Other than that, they are fine... I will need more of that cool-aid.
Have you thought about adding roof shades to prevent heat loss through the glass roof?
Did you watch the video? He does have roof shades.
@@mike48111Not during the actual drives.
So complicated compared to a gasoline powered vehicle. Honestly, with all functions controlled within the app or touch-screen a person who is not tech savvy would fail to thrive in an extreme winter scenario