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I drive my Tesla Model 3 in sub zero temperatures, no issues. Just precondition car and supercharge to warm battery. Don't let negative anti-EV propaganda media scare you from buying one.
Did you notice that the charger was installed outside the home and NOT in the garage...in Canada? Ironically, the very COLDEST Countries in the World have the MOST EV sales. Norway 80%, Iceland 41%, Sweden 32%, Netherlands 24%, etc I drive an ICE vehicle and even I'm noticing the weird anti-EV propaganda going around.
I just sold my 2022 model 3 2 weeks ago, after owning it just for one month. I had it in Fort McMurray where the temperature gets to -40° c and I had many problems with the car. These cars are not made for the cold at all.
@@lakemaker I love it. I used to have other four-wheel drives in the past like a 4Runner, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee so having a Wrangler is awesome. It has enough battery range for me to use it around the city and it's just like a normal vehicle when you're driving long distance.
We lived in Ontario, I owned a Model X performance 2020… It was also freezing in Winter time 一20‘C + windshield… I usually warmed up interior for at less 5-8 mins. I knew the recharged battery well, during winter time… all ev cars, battery charging time need longer in colder weather due to battery chemistry… I’just got a new model Y performance, I found the charging time is faster & the battery running much efficiently than my model X. So far, my model X still have not been service… but it is still running very well..Tesla mobile service door to door are excellent, only apps on appointments.
The Model X you were driving doesn’t have a Heat Pump, so it draws far more power. Plus you were using a 24A charger, the Model X, Y and 3 all support 48A charging, which would have compensated for the heater running at full tilt.
Back when I had my cheap car that opened with a physical key, the key snapped in half when I tried to open the car on a cold morning when temps were below 0F. Good old times!
It’s amazing that in Norway with the largest percentage of EV's in the world you never hear of people quibbling about the cold and their electric cars. 😮 😅
@@lakemaker I am. I haven't had any problems with either of my Model 3 2021 SR+ , model 3 2022 LR, my wife's 2021 SR+, or my mothers 2024 Model Y (will, this haven't had to face colder then around -1c yet though), my uncles 2021 and 2022 Model 3 LR, my wife's previous 2012 Leaf with heatpump, or my fathers 2018 Hyundai Ioniq. All cars are parked outside and charged at home with 3.6-7.2kW chargers. Temp goes from +5c to -25c in the winter season here. However, i must admit that on my 2021 SR+, i did have some minor performance issues of the HVAC in the late winter of 2021, but that started after an update i received, and was resolved early in 2022 with another OTA update. It never caused any issues though, just not optimal HVAC performance, and it took a bit longer for it to respond after adjusting the temp.
I understand these cars dont hold up well in the cold and noticed you have a garage. Do you store your vehicle in it at all? It would make most sense to me to keep it in there all the time. Im a huge fan of the idea of what Tesla/starlink have been doing but don't feel as though the quality is there yet
Keep your sealings dry and smooth with silicon spray. These problems with doors, windows, frunk and trunk have all cars parking outside in cold weather.
We have a Model 3 for the last 2 months and so far only good words to say about this car, i preheat it when it's cold, it's fast to heat and didn't have any issues even when it was -25 last week. Really love this car
Where do you live? I’m in Manitoba I’ve been considering a model 3 but I’m a trucker. And there’s like no charging stations in Manitoba. My nearest one is over 100km from my house. And when I’m trucking I’m gone 5 days at a time. I’m worried my batteries will be dead by the time I get back and won’t be able to drive anywhere. We usually get 6 weeks of -30 to -40 weather or longer and my commute to and from work is 230km round trip!
I can tell you, drove in 0 F to -15 F in Wisconsin for a few winters for work. They work fine but with the heat on to keep you warm the batteries will die in half of the time. They’re great in snow with the AWD but terrible in the cold weather.
Good info, have a Model Y on order and live in Maine. To be fair, the trunk/frunk issue, the stuck windows, are problems we have with any car when ice builds up. The effect on the battery is expected. With a gas powered vehicle, a traditional car battery can lose charge in extreme cold and not start, and so can't warm up. It's a trade off, I guess, for not having to do fluid changes and refills and maintain mechanical parts like exhausts, starters, alternators, spark plugs, catalytic converters, etc. A common issue that I see with the cold weather reviews is that snow and ice gets into the frunk. I wonder if lining the edge with the weather proofing self-adhesive strips you would use on house doors would help that.
I say when you live in below zero temperatures, have a garage for your car. Just being protected from the wind is all the difference your car needs. And always preheat for 10 - 15 minutes.
Get a reliable car instead of garbage like Chrysler and you won't have to do regulator maintenance on catalytic convertors, starters, alternators etc. Battery is a consume item on a Tesla as well. I don't know about Tesla but radiator and its fluid to maintain battery temperature is also a thing on EVs. You spend less on brakes and transmission while gas vs EV charging is a wash if you are charging at a public charger (reality for many EV buyers). In case of Tesla and many other EVs, we also have to remember that you are paying thousands of dollars more compared to a well equipped and reliable Toyota, Mazda or even Honda. You might be thinking that you are doing the environment a favor but it definitely isn't a cost proposition. I'm not even going to go into the whole carbon footprint that is needed to mine Lithium since we aren't at high levels of lithium battery recycling yet. An electric lawn mower might help you recover cost against a gas mower but not a Tesla.
@@JTR253 i disagree with your statement and this does not apply to most developed countries. currently driving a 2nd hand Tesla S2017 and this car costs a lot less than othere equally luxurious cars to maintain, it also costs me 1/3rd or less per km to drive (pure fuel wise) almost no moving parts = less maintenance, have you driven an electric car more than 6 months ? where do you get your stats from ?
I'm a MY owner too in NY, and the most surprising thing about this review is the "great customer service." It's definitely not the case for me... I do think we are still in the early adopter phase, and the next gen models will continue to improve. There's pros and cons to any vehicle, and all cars have some sort of reliability issue during their lifetime. The defrost feature has worked perfectly on my vehicle in the winter, and I love it. Range does drop and an extra 10-20% overall as expected. In the spring, I use 10% to get to work in the winter I use 12% on avg, plus a 2-3% to heat/defrost the car after work. But its worth every % 😂.
Same in Finland, one guy has had to replaced the pump over 4 times. Tesla support was getting fed up with this customer and replacement cars were not always available. I'll stick to PHEVs for the time being.
Did you do any charge testing after properly preconditioning the battery? it showed you were only taking 6kw of charge at the super charger right when you plugged in cold. If you precondition and heat it up youll get 150-250kw of charging, even if you didnt precondition, as youre charging it will heat up the battery to charge faster. Huge difference.
Well, I have a 2023 model Y LR and will see how in does in my Northern Illinois cold weather. Most the time it is above 0, but we do have days that get below zero. Nothing like Montreal though. So far my Model Y has been very good. Thanks for your video and take care.
if you can't open the Tesla app nothing helps. I called service and almost an hour later I was told I needed service call at my home - 7 days later --- I'm on 2 weeks into my Tesla journey and almost ready to give up
Why buy a pretentious car when you frequently drive your own family in extreme conditions? Get something with history of reliability, is it really worth the risk for the cool points?...
To get your feet comfortably warm you have to switch manually heat feet and heat front area, switch off these fancy middle vents. You are welcome. Dunno why they don't do it in auto mode when temperature drops.
I have had an ev for 6 years in Victoria, BC area. When it gets below freezing, or way below freezing up to -12c the range is seriously reduced. I would not have an ev in a climate that was any colder than the west coast of Canada which would be anywhere else in Canada. The batteries cannot handle cold.
@@lakemaker I called the service center today, bc when I tried to schedule service through the app, it malfunctioned. He asked if I had tried the soft reboot (I hadn't). So I pulled into a parking lot and tried that with no luck. So he advised that I try uninstalling; then reinstalling it to see if fixes the problem. If it doesn't, he told me to call back tomorrow. It's pretty annoying the only way to schedule service is through the app vs talking to an actual person. The Y is second car I've been considering, but with the heater problems, the issues getting the new Tesla battery into production and musk's treatment of employees at tesla (and now twitter) :/ ,I'm becoming more frustrated and hesitant by the day.
I'm thinking of CANCEL my order now! I'm in Wisconsin ❄🌨🧊 with 4 kids .... whats your recommendation? Should I go with Toyota Sienna Hybrid? Or Model Y?
I have no opinion about the Toyota Sienna Hybrid. If I had 4 kids, I would get the Tesla Model X. If I do not get my Cybertruck on time, I will end up getting the X.
I feel like frameless doors are useless in most cars during the winter. I usually avoid rolling down my windows if I know they are likely to be frozen stuck
My folks owned a new 1968 Beetle and a used 1956 Beetle before that. I was mechanically familiar with both of these cars, rode in both of them a lot, and also drove the '68. There was no such gasoline fueled heater of which you write in either one of these cars. If somebody had such a heater on a Beetle it was not stock equipment. Stop making stuff up. The air cooled engine on the Beetle used a heat exchanger on the exhaust manifold to heat the cabin. There were 2 vents under the back seat at floor level and this is where most of the heat came thru because of proximity to the rear mounted engine. There were 2 vents at floor level in the front, and 2 vents at windshield level for defrost, and these front vents didn't make much heat at all. And so when the weather got real cold we had trouble defrosting the windshield, just like a Tesla. But unlike a Tesla, the 1968 Beetle was dirt cheap at $1800 new, and my dad got the 1956 Beetle for 50 bucks.
@@onemoremisfitthey existed because I bought a used bug I think it was a 62. It had the little motor in t front for heat and it drew gas out of the main tank. It would smoke like crazy when I first started it and it didn’t work very good. I was 18 yo and just drove it for fun as a second car.
@@alleyoop5185 Probably aftermarket and dangerous. Our bugs made a ton of heat and would roast you, the only problem was about 90% of it was coming from the rear, so you had to be driving for a while to get enough heat all the way to the windshield in bitter cold.
Why would you have your home charger installed outside your home @ 7:31, instead of inside the garage? Especially in the cold climate of Canada...that seems really strange.
Some useful info. Not sure whether to go forward with a Model Y in a cold climate. Also I found the slow speed you spoke super irritating. But thanks for the info.
I have the same issue on frunk after car wash on MY, the last time it was frozen and I can't refill the washer fluid. The close appointment was few days later, luckily I call the server center and they can help me fix the latch . Thats crazy
One of the best videos because it tells the truth of how this car performs in cold. I am living in finland with -20 to -30 decree winters, and i dont have a carage for my car, so most likely this car is not for me.
That's funny 😂 I owned Fords and Mercedes in very cold weather. The battery in both couldn't start my car at times even though I had a full tank. It's especially true as the battery ages or you have a faulty alternator. Don't get me started on how long the battery lasts in extreme hot weather, a real battery killer. No problems with my Tesla, which I've owned for 3 years. To each his own.
I had the same exact issue with the doors I couldn’t get into my car at AlI. I tried pre-heating my Chrysler 300 several times also my radio went black but the music was still working. Apparently my heater wasn’t working as well apparently the blend door got stuck to cold. I also had the issue with my doors, I spent almost an hour trying to close my passenger door I was running late to work so I just duck tapped it closed lol. I also had issue with my Chrysler trunk, I went grocery shopping and had to leave it in there for several days because I couldn’t open it.
I live in Colorado where the temps can get down to - 20F for days or weeks at a time, much colder than in your video. Now I'm wondering if its a good idea to get one. I have a driving job and need a very reliable car. This is not getting my hopes up... considering the Ford Mach E, no idea if its better or worse.
So about the frunk, every car can have this problem with the front latch. every single owner or ex-owner of a car with a frameless window's car knows they can freeze. About the cables and battery that's normal. for the rest here in my country, you can get -22 C max
@@lakemaker yes in Bulgaria during the winter you can get max -22 c in the summer you can get plus 35c - 37c in some places even 40c In the mountains it may be a lot less than -22c
I really like the idea of EV's, but videos like this show me that owning one probably wouldn't be all that practical for me, at least not yet. I live in an apartment building, and an old one at that with no access to a garage, so my car is always parked outside, nothing I can really do about that unfortunately. I also live in a fairly rural area, and while there is one Tesla charging station I know of (which is about a 20-25 minute drive from where I live), winters over here can be harsh. So maybe later down the line when the technology improves a little bit more, and if I can ever afford it (big IF lol) I might consider it. But for now, my little old chevy cruze works just fine for me lol
You need to do what is best for your situation. EV is not for you at the time. 20-25 minute to get to a charger is too long. Hope you enjoy my other videos 🙏
Not to mention that Tesla costs a ludicrous $90k before taxes ( the price is a joke lol) in Canada. It's freezing half of the year here in Toronto area. If the cost of it comes down to around $35k only then maybe it might be worth it not now
Cold shouldn’t break the wires in the cable, but it might cause the insulation on the wires to become brittle, and crack, exposing the wires in some situations. Check it for cracks and damage before use.
Well, this definitely convinced me that a Tesla is not the car for me while living in extreme cold. It gets down to -60 here on a regular basis with the wind chill in January and February.
Tesla should offer 'manual' release handles for northern cities. Less capacity induces range anxiety for drivers. Which is challenging the price of Tesla.
Hej, Thanks for sharing the review. Living in Kiruna with M3LR, here we have an average temp -15 to -25⁰C during winter, sometimes goes lower to -30~-35⁰C in January. Fortunately, i haven't got any issue with heater. The only thing that bother me, the amount of snow or even ice goes inside my front skid plate which close to the battery pack (already replaced the factory skid plate with aluminium-based for a better durability).
I seem to only lose 20 percent max in my 2018 model 3 but do level 2 or nema plug to charge with preconditioning the car itself and have my seats and heat ready.
how this car can be that expansif and have so many problems. Every Tesla owner with who i talk had problem with their Tesla. My Model 3 is supose to arrive in november. Im wondering if i should cancel my order.
@@lakemaker yes, but i received the car not in the winter time. Now i order a jeep, can't wait to exchange it with my tesla. I think some people dislike Tesla even if they didnt try it. And some people will defend Tesla whatever the number of problem. the problem i founds its that today people think respond too much from their ego, from their emotion. It's hard today to have an objectif point of view.
Hi Lakemaker, look on the bright side, once bitten twice shy. At least you didn't get caught out in this latest frozen battery fiasco we are watching unfold just now. You reached nearly 70,000 views with this upload and I hope they remember you as they watch the news.
Hmm.. in Sápmi we have up to -50c, cant see these problems with model S or model 3. Expect that the range are lower and the windows are frozen and stuck (dont think they crack doh).. the charging cable function good in -45 celsius..
@@lakemaker northern norway , Karášjohka and in Romsa / Tromsø. Travel alot in cold weather in northern sweden/finland (relatives) and to east- Finnmark (my homeplace). Tesla is a good winter car with the exception of frameless windows and the heat pump issue of model 3 ans y....by my experience at least. Will Recommend it for those living in the North 🙂 dont know about X and the falcon doors. My friends who own one say it is important to pre heat so the front door will open. Other than that I hear it is also a good winter car.
@@lakemaker I drew across oregon and Nevada in the snow to Salt Lake city this Christmas..I was astonished to see so many Tesla cars struggling in snow and pulled off the road....the families were struggling with the kids.... atleast 2 Tesla cars with CA plates run off the road on the way to Bend. Its not a winter car.
@@kalyantr7I'm neutral on the topic but there are a lot factors. How were their tires, did they have winter tires or chains (where required) were they RWD or AWD. Had they ever driven in snow ?
@@garywozniak7742 I agree there are many factors, but the number of Teslas I saw pulled out on the shoulders were far higher than any other car brands. I don't know the reason, but thatz an observation
I live in Canada as well and his is like the main reason i will not go full electric, if i was you i would sell it and just buy a hybrid. Electric is just not ready for cold weather, they’re not worth all the hassle.
I live in Western Canada and there is no way I will go for a BEV. I may start with PHEV when its battery range reaches 100-120KM. That will be good enough to cover my trips and will give me option to use Gasoline if my battery tanks.
@@lakemaker Depending on which city you live in, -25 C to -35 C can last for weeks, in some cases over a month, before getting a break. A couple of times during winter it will fall below -40 C too, especially during night time.
Bro the cold doesn't affect it.. I live in the DC area and we have cold temps in the winter that are single digits plus wind chills below zero and nobody here has doors sticking or frunks not opening. The DMV area owns lots of Teslas.
@lakemaker Years ago I had to take a number of business trips from Massachusetts to Bromont. We are used to cold, maybe single negative digits in New England, but not double digits. We had -19 temps on one trip. "Freeze your nose hairs" cold.
Well duh! I'm surprised if you have been living in these kind of conditions of a colder environment what makes you think that it wouldn't be this way! But thanks for the video. 😇
14:16 This is quite concerning. At what temperature do you start feeling the cold seeping in from the floor? Is it around -5°C or -10°C? I took a Tesla Model 3 for a test drive when it was -6°C and didn't experience that issue. However, I did feel some chill coming from the glass roof overhead, and the rear headrest always seemed to be cold
Would never get an electric car with the current technology living in Minnesota where the temps can get quite a bit lower than this video in January and February. I see people with these cars still.
@@lakemaker 2014 Buick lacrosse. Wife has a 2017 Hyundai Tuscon AWD. We bought the Buick when it was only a year old and the Tuscon new. I keep them well maintained and they are in a heated garage. It’s nice to have the AWD when the snow gets bad and the lacrosse gives a very comfortable drive with decent mpg and price wasn’t terrible.
We sold our Plaid Model S. I miss the acceleration, and that is all I miss. Much happier in my 2024 Tundra TRD Pro. Folks, just look at this video ... to do something as simple as turn on heated seats or HVAC, navigate a touch screen through multiple screens. My Tunrda? Just push the button ... done.
Get this, folks; if you have an IC engine and a full tank and, should you get stuck in the snow or ice and cannot move, your car will run its heater and lights for THREE DAYS AT AN IDLE>
I'm not a Tesla hater - in fact I respect the company quite a bit for being REVOLUTIONARY.....But I have other friends with Teslas, and every single owner has had quality control issues with them. Tesla gotta bring up their quality control!
If somebody gave me a Tesla free and clear I would turn around and sell it immediately. There is no way I would choose to own one, but if other people like them and are willing to accept the negative trade offs vs a gasoline car that is their business. I don't hate the Tesla cars, I just don't want one. What I DO hate is how our rulers plan to force me to own one eventually, on a bogus climate crisis pretext, and all the stupid gullible people who actually believe that fairy tale of electric cars "saving the planet".
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Or better yet, move to California. Oh, right, they don't have the electricity to charge them in California!
After the black screen nightmare I’d be like no more teslas for me:)
I drive my Tesla Model 3 in sub zero temperatures, no issues. Just precondition car and supercharge to warm battery. Don't let negative anti-EV propaganda media scare you from buying one.
Did you notice that the charger was installed outside the home and NOT in the garage...in Canada? Ironically, the very COLDEST Countries in the World have the MOST EV sales. Norway 80%, Iceland 41%, Sweden 32%, Netherlands 24%, etc I drive an ICE vehicle and even I'm noticing the weird anti-EV propaganda going around.
My garage is too small to fit my Y
I just sold my 2022 model 3 2 weeks ago, after owning it just for one month. I had it in Fort McMurray where the temperature gets to -40° c and I had many problems with the car. These cars are not made for the cold at all.
What are you driving now?
@@lakemaker 2021 Wrangler 4xe
Do you like it?
@@lakemaker I love it. I used to have other four-wheel drives in the past like a 4Runner, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee so having a Wrangler is awesome. It has enough battery range for me to use it around the city and it's just like a normal vehicle when you're driving long distance.
Happy to hear you like your 2021 Wrangler 4xe! Hope you enjoy my other videos, even if they are now car related 🙏😎
Buying a tesla in canada is like buying a canada goose jacket in mexico
LOL zingggggg
I know a guy in Alabama that bought a Canada goose winter coat, He loves that thing.
LOL tesla not good in Canada
Desperate for that elon D
Challenge accepted
We lived in Ontario, I owned a Model X performance 2020… It was also freezing in Winter time 一20‘C + windshield… I usually warmed up interior for at less 5-8 mins.
I knew the recharged battery well, during winter time… all ev cars, battery charging time need longer in colder weather due to battery chemistry…
I’just got a new model Y performance, I found the charging time is faster & the battery running much efficiently than my model X.
So far, my model X still have not been service… but it is still running very well..Tesla mobile service door to door are excellent, only apps on appointments.
What part of Ontario? As you know the winters in Ottawa are colder compared to Toronto!
Yes, matter of fact Newmarket is much warmer than Ottawa, U guys take care！
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The Model X you were driving doesn’t have a Heat Pump, so it draws far more power. Plus you were using a 24A charger, the Model X, Y and 3 all support 48A charging, which would have compensated for the heater running at full tilt.
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Back when I had my cheap car that opened with a physical key, the key snapped in half when I tried to open the car on a cold morning when temps were below 0F. Good old times!
that must of been frustrating
It’s amazing that in Norway with the largest percentage of EV's in the world you never hear of people quibbling about the cold and their electric cars. 😮 😅
Are you from 🇳🇴?
@@lakemaker No.
I am. Had no issues with my 2019 model 3.
@@lakemaker I am. I haven't had any problems with either of my Model 3 2021 SR+ , model 3 2022 LR, my wife's 2021 SR+, or my mothers 2024 Model Y (will, this haven't had to face colder then around -1c yet though), my uncles 2021 and 2022 Model 3 LR, my wife's previous 2012 Leaf with heatpump, or my fathers 2018 Hyundai Ioniq. All cars are parked outside and charged at home with 3.6-7.2kW chargers. Temp goes from +5c to -25c in the winter season here.
However, i must admit that on my 2021 SR+, i did have some minor performance issues of the HVAC in the late winter of 2021, but that started after an update i received, and was resolved early in 2022 with another OTA update. It never caused any issues though, just not optimal HVAC performance, and it took a bit longer for it to respond after adjusting the temp.
I understand these cars dont hold up well in the cold and noticed you have a garage.
Do you store your vehicle in it at all? It would make most sense to me to keep it in there all the time.
Im a huge fan of the idea of what Tesla/starlink have been doing but don't feel as though the quality is there yet
My garage is too small to fit the Model Y
Keep your sealings dry and smooth with silicon spray. These problems with doors, windows, frunk and trunk have all cars parking outside in cold weather.
Thanks for the tips!
My Audi always parks outside, sometimes -15 to -20°C and I never had issues like that within the past 10 years.
We have a Model 3 for the last 2 months and so far only good words to say about this car, i preheat it when it's cold, it's fast to heat and didn't have any issues even when it was -25 last week. Really love this car
I guess I need to buy a Model 3 🚙🥋
@@lakemaker it's only been 2 months...we'll see after 1 year.
Where do you live? I’m in Manitoba I’ve been considering a model 3 but I’m a trucker. And there’s like no charging stations in Manitoba. My nearest one is over 100km from my house. And when I’m trucking I’m gone 5 days at a time. I’m worried my batteries will be dead by the time I get back and won’t be able to drive anywhere. We usually get 6 weeks of -30 to -40 weather or longer and my commute to and from work is 230km round trip!
Montreal
So why is it that all of the Tesla that I see on the hiway when I am driving to the ski hill have a tiny hole in the frosted windshield to see out of?
Love to see how well it works in -35 to -40 for most of the winter.
would be a cool test!
I can tell you, drove in 0 F to -15 F in Wisconsin for a few winters for work. They work fine but with the heat on to keep you warm the batteries will die in half of the time. They’re great in snow with the AWD but terrible in the cold weather.
they are flat and low, thus they will not perform in more than 8 inch of snow.
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@@lakemaker 100s of tests here on YT when Tesla owners are charging in -30; -40C in places like Canada.
Search someone with model Y in Edmonton we reach -45C so far no problem
Spraying silicon spray on the window and door seals can help prevent them from freezing shut.
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Good info, have a Model Y on order and live in Maine. To be fair, the trunk/frunk issue, the stuck windows, are problems we have with any car when ice builds up. The effect on the battery is expected. With a gas powered vehicle, a traditional car battery can lose charge in extreme cold and not start, and so can't warm up. It's a trade off, I guess, for not having to do fluid changes and refills and maintain mechanical parts like exhausts, starters, alternators, spark plugs, catalytic converters, etc. A common issue that I see with the cold weather reviews is that snow and ice gets into the frunk. I wonder if lining the edge with the weather proofing self-adhesive strips you would use on house doors would help that.
thank you for sharing your thoughts on the frunk!!!
I say when you live in below zero temperatures, have a garage for your car. Just being protected from the wind is all the difference your car needs. And always preheat for 10 - 15 minutes.
@@ourcolonel1685 or have it plugged in at a charger and pre heat before leaving
Get a reliable car instead of garbage like Chrysler and you won't have to do regulator maintenance on catalytic convertors, starters, alternators etc. Battery is a consume item on a Tesla as well. I don't know about Tesla but radiator and its fluid to maintain battery temperature is also a thing on EVs. You spend less on brakes and transmission while gas vs EV charging is a wash if you are charging at a public charger (reality for many EV buyers).
In case of Tesla and many other EVs, we also have to remember that you are paying thousands of dollars more compared to a well equipped and reliable Toyota, Mazda or even Honda. You might be thinking that you are doing the environment a favor but it definitely isn't a cost proposition. I'm not even going to go into the whole carbon footprint that is needed to mine Lithium since we aren't at high levels of lithium battery recycling yet. An electric lawn mower might help you recover cost against a gas mower but not a Tesla.
@@JTR253 i disagree with your statement and this does not apply to most developed countries. currently driving a 2nd hand Tesla S2017 and this car costs a lot less than othere equally luxurious cars to maintain, it also costs me 1/3rd or less per km to drive (pure fuel wise) almost no moving parts = less maintenance, have you driven an electric car more than 6 months ? where do you get your stats from ?
I'm a MY owner too in NY, and the most surprising thing about this review is the "great customer service." It's definitely not the case for me... I do think we are still in the early adopter phase, and the next gen models will continue to improve. There's pros and cons to any vehicle, and all cars have some sort of reliability issue during their lifetime. The defrost feature has worked perfectly on my vehicle in the winter, and I love it. Range does drop and an extra 10-20% overall as expected. In the spring, I use 10% to get to work in the winter I use 12% on avg, plus a 2-3% to heat/defrost the car after work. But its worth every % 😂.
Thx for sharing
Same in Finland, one guy has had to replaced the pump over 4 times. Tesla support was getting fed up with this customer and replacement cars were not always available.
I'll stick to PHEVs for the time being.
dammmmmmmmm
Did you do any charge testing after properly preconditioning the battery? it showed you were only taking 6kw of charge at the super charger right when you plugged in cold. If you precondition and heat it up youll get 150-250kw of charging, even if you didnt precondition, as youre charging it will heat up the battery to charge faster. Huge difference.
Not sure this video was made over a year ago
@@lakemaker think you’ll do an update to the review?
maybe!
Well, I have a 2023 model Y LR and will see how in does in my Northern Illinois cold weather. Most the time it is above 0, but we do have days that get below zero. Nothing like Montreal though. So far my Model Y has been very good.
Thanks for your video and take care.
Fingers crossed!
if you can't open the Tesla app nothing helps. I called service and almost an hour later I was told I needed service call at my home - 7 days later --- I'm on 2 weeks into my Tesla journey and almost ready to give up
What type of Tesla do you have?
Why buy a pretentious car when you frequently drive your own family in extreme conditions? Get something with history of reliability, is it really worth the risk for the cool points?...
Pretentious in what way?
To get your feet comfortably warm you have to switch manually heat feet and heat front area, switch off these fancy middle vents. You are welcome. Dunno why they don't do it in auto mode when temperature drops.
What do you drive?
@@lakemaker Model S
So glad I live in the South. I love my EV but I don’t think it’s a good option in colder climates.
True they work better in Warmer weather
Regular cars can do this too... water freezes and things get stuck
Ok
-15 is very warm in Canada. We do not plug the block heater at all. -25 start plugging it. Toyota is awesome
Where you located?
I have had an ev for 6 years in Victoria, BC area. When it gets below freezing, or way below freezing up to -12c the range is seriously reduced. I would not have an ev in a climate that was any colder than the west coast of Canada which would be anywhere else in Canada. The batteries cannot handle cold.
Love Victoria
I agree... it's crazy. Today is -43°C and feels -54°C in Spruce Grove Alberta... those toys are just not fit for extreme cold period!!!
Hello 🇨🇦
Moving to Vermont and having second thoughts about buying another Tesla. The heater was fine but now only works on HI setting. AC is sketchy too
What you driving now?
@@lakemaker M3
@@lakemaker I called the service center today, bc when I tried to schedule service through the app, it malfunctioned. He asked if I had tried the soft reboot (I hadn't). So I pulled into a parking lot and tried that with no luck. So he advised that I try uninstalling; then reinstalling it to see if fixes the problem. If it doesn't, he told me to call back tomorrow. It's pretty annoying the only way to schedule service is through the app vs talking to an actual person.
The Y is second car I've been considering, but with the heater problems, the issues getting the new Tesla battery into production and musk's treatment of employees at tesla (and now twitter) :/ ,I'm becoming more frustrated and hesitant by the day.
What are your other options?
@@lakemaker called the svc center back and he made an appt to bring the car in on the 14th--
good thing I don't live in Alaska
ive user my model y in -36 one time and no problems just lower range
what do you drive now?
@@lakemaker model y
The upside...ice-cream didn't melt too quick....🤣🤣
Right!!🤪
In Canada, we have to have a garage for each car. Also, who wants to scrape the ice off the windows?
My Model Y is too big for my garage 😎
I'm thinking of CANCEL my order now! I'm in Wisconsin ❄🌨🧊 with 4 kids .... whats your recommendation? Should I go with Toyota Sienna Hybrid? Or Model Y?
I have no opinion about the Toyota Sienna Hybrid. If I had 4 kids, I would get the Tesla Model X. If I do not get my Cybertruck on time, I will end up getting the X.
I would get a gas only Toyota. FEVS AND HYBRIDS. FJB 🖕🏻🇨🇳
Go with the Hybrid
Do yourself a favor an get available REAL CAR
That's my worry, we've had winters where temps have fallen -25F and it's usually single digits.
Tesla run better in the summer
Spray silicone on a rag and wipe the door seals down should heip from freezing.
Cool!!!! I will test it out, and try to show it in a future!
I feel like frameless doors are useless in most cars during the winter. I usually avoid rolling down my windows if I know they are likely to be frozen stuck
ok
150 miles in the really cold will be tough planning a long trip,
yup
The air-cooled VW Beetles had gasoline-fueled heaters to keep the cabin warm back in the 60's and 70's. Maybe you need one of those.
LOL maybe!
My folks owned a new 1968 Beetle and a used 1956 Beetle before that. I was mechanically familiar with both of these cars, rode in both of them a lot, and also drove the '68. There was no such gasoline fueled heater of which you write in either one of these cars. If somebody had such a heater on a Beetle it was not stock equipment. Stop making stuff up. The air cooled engine on the Beetle used a heat exchanger on the exhaust manifold to heat the cabin. There were 2 vents under the back seat at floor level and this is where most of the heat came thru because of proximity to the rear mounted engine. There were 2 vents at floor level in the front, and 2 vents at windshield level for defrost, and these front vents didn't make much heat at all. And so when the weather got real cold we had trouble defrosting the windshield, just like a Tesla. But unlike a Tesla, the 1968 Beetle was dirt cheap at $1800 new, and my dad got the 1956 Beetle for 50 bucks.
Gasoline heaters for VW's did exist and were used. I think they were aftermarket heaters.
@@onemoremisfitthey existed because I bought a used bug I think it was a 62. It had the little motor in t front for heat and it drew gas out of the main tank. It would smoke like crazy when I first started it and it didn’t work very good. I was 18 yo and just drove it for fun as a second car.
@@alleyoop5185 Probably aftermarket and dangerous. Our bugs made a ton of heat and would roast you, the only problem was about 90% of it was coming from the rear, so you had to be driving for a while to get enough heat all the way to the windshield in bitter cold.
Why would you have your home charger installed outside your home @ 7:31, instead of inside the garage? Especially in the cold climate of Canada...that seems really strange.
The Y will it fit in my garage
Some useful info. Not sure whether to go forward with a Model Y in a cold climate. Also I found the slow speed you spoke super irritating. But thanks for the info.
Happy you enjoyed the video
I'm just amazed that someone today can afford 3 kids and a Tesla! Very impressed!
Thx
Thanks for the video. I’m from Montreal and I’m about 2 weeks away from getting my model 3. Thanks for the tips.
You can use my referral link to get 1,500 free Supercharger km on a new Tesla: ts.la/andrew94706
I’m from Montreal (Rive nord) and it’s the best car ever! Don’t stress about it. Hopefully you have a garage
Greetings to my Montreal Subscribers!!!!! 🇨🇦
I have the same issue on frunk after car wash on MY, the last time it was frozen and I can't refill the washer fluid. The close appointment was few days later, luckily I call the server center and they can help me fix the latch . Thats crazy
Thank you for sharing your story. Hope you enjoy my other videos 🙏
I fixed all of these issues super simple, I traded it for a Cadillac XT5 done.
Nice 👍👍👍
Never had an issue with my 3 and Y even during -32c
Happy to hear that
LOL, eating icecream while suffering from no heat in car
Love ice cream 🍦
One of the best videos because it tells the truth of how this car performs in cold. I am living in finland with -20 to -30 decree winters, and i dont have a carage for my car, so most likely this car is not for me.
what are you driving now?
@@lakemaker Audi Q7 E-tron. Diesel Hybrid. Tempting to go full electric :D
You happy with the Audi Q7 E-tron. Diesel Hybrid?
In very cold make sure Charging Stations are 50 miles apart.
not that bad
Thanks for sharing this. We will warn others too. God bless you and your family.
Thank you
Great review. Thank you for doing this because it answered some of my questions that I had and for the ones that I have never thought of before.
Glad it was helpful! Hope you enjoy my other videos 🙏
That's funny 😂
I owned Fords and Mercedes in very cold weather. The battery in both couldn't start my car at times even though I had a full tank. It's especially true as the battery ages or you have a faulty alternator. Don't get me started on how long the battery lasts in extreme hot weather, a real battery killer. No problems with my Tesla, which I've owned for 3 years. To each his own.
I had issue with my AUDI Q5 Diesel
I had the same exact issue with the doors I couldn’t get into my car at AlI. I tried pre-heating my Chrysler 300 several times also my radio went black but the music was still working. Apparently my heater wasn’t working as well apparently the blend door got stuck to cold. I also had the issue with my doors, I spent almost an hour trying to close my passenger door I was running late to work so I just duck tapped it closed lol. I also had issue with my Chrysler trunk, I went grocery shopping and had to leave it in there for several days because I couldn’t open it.
Thx for sharing
I live in Colorado where the temps can get down to - 20F for days or weeks at a time, much colder than in your video. Now I'm wondering if its a good idea to get one. I have a driving job and need a very reliable car. This is not getting my hopes up... considering the Ford Mach E, no idea if its better or worse.
I think all electric cars will have the same issues in the cold 🚙🥶
All you have to do is spray some water repellant in the seals of the doors/trunk, thus no moisture can accumulate, which means nothing to freeze
thx for the advice
Or you could buy a normal gas car.
These very same thing happens in my gas volvo xc90 @@JensSchraeder
@@JensSchraeder The doors and windows freeze just as easily in a gas car in those weather conditions. Spraying the seal with silicon spray helps.
Let me tell you about my 2013 Ford Escape… can’t wait for my MY to arrive!
keep me posted
Ford ICE much better than EVs...Had few amazing models from them..
So about the frunk, every car can have this problem with the front latch. every single owner or ex-owner of a car with a frameless window's car knows they can freeze. About the cables and battery that's normal. for the rest here in my country, you can get -22 C max
where do you live?
@@lakemaker in Europe, Bulgaria why ?
because you said "here in my country, you can get -22 C max"
@@lakemaker yes in Bulgaria during the winter you can get max -22 c in the summer you can get plus 35c - 37c in some places even 40c
In the mountains it may be a lot less than -22c
I really like the idea of EV's, but videos like this show me that owning one probably wouldn't be all that practical for me, at least not yet. I live in an apartment building, and an old one at that with no access to a garage, so my car is always parked outside, nothing I can really do about that unfortunately. I also live in a fairly rural area, and while there is one Tesla charging station I know of (which is about a 20-25 minute drive from where I live), winters over here can be harsh. So maybe later down the line when the technology improves a little bit more, and if I can ever afford it (big IF lol) I might consider it. But for now, my little old chevy cruze works just fine for me lol
You need to do what is best for your situation. EV is not for you at the time. 20-25 minute to get to a charger is too long. Hope you enjoy my other videos 🙏
@@lakemaker Yeah that's just about what I figured lol. Maybe later down the road when the technology has improved some, who knows? lol
Not to mention that Tesla costs a ludicrous $90k before taxes ( the price is a joke lol) in Canada. It's freezing half of the year here in Toronto area. If the cost of it comes down to around $35k only then maybe it might be worth it not now
Pre condition, set a schedule. You can restart the computer at any time, although you should pull over.
NOTED!
Loving my 2023 gas outlander. Best winter vehicle by far ive ever had here in 🇨🇦
Nice!!!!
I love my fully armored GURKHA.
Interesting video,Live in Winnipeg and have lots of model 3 here,and it gets lot colder
in Winnipeg than Ole Montreal 😂
I was told by many people Winnipeg is real cold in the winter
I really enjoyed watching this video. Do you have videos of how other vehicles work in cold weather?
Not yet! Thank you for leaving a comment. Please let me know if you enjoy my other videos 🙏
Cold shouldn’t break the wires in the cable, but it might cause the insulation on the wires to become brittle, and crack, exposing the wires in some situations. Check it for cracks and damage before use.
Thx for the advise 👍
I sure hope not on a new car.
I have the same issue with my Toyota Corolla on extreme cold days. Can’t open door
That sucks 🥶🥶🥶
My model y performance has had zero issues in minus 20 Celsius in alberta.
Nice!!!!
Well, this definitely convinced me that a Tesla is not the car for me while living in extreme cold. It gets down to -60 here on a regular basis with the wind chill in January and February.
-60 here???? Where is that?
@@lakemaker If he means -60F, probably he's in North Pole. If it's -60c, he's probably not on earth.
The tesla dont feel the wind chill effect. Live in Norway, and so far, the heating is great.
@@lakemaker The comment said -60 **with wind chill**. Wind chill won't affect the battery, just the absolute temp.
you have to continue with gasoline cars
Tesla should offer 'manual' release handles for northern cities. Less capacity induces range anxiety for drivers. Which is challenging the price of Tesla.
There are internal manual release handles in the car
@@lakemaker Shame it wasn't in the video. Good to know, cheers.
Great review!!! Honest and realistic 👌 👏 💯☝
I appreciate that!
Hej,
Thanks for sharing the review.
Living in Kiruna with M3LR, here we have an average temp -15 to -25⁰C during winter, sometimes goes lower to -30~-35⁰C in January.
Fortunately, i haven't got any issue with heater.
The only thing that bother me, the amount of snow or even ice goes inside my front skid plate which close to the battery pack (already replaced the factory skid plate with aluminium-based for a better durability).
Thanks for the info!
My Tesla wouldn't charge here in Michigan, it was 17 degree, and nothing work, here it is Christmas and still won't charge! Don't buy one!
What Tesla model do you have?
Lol...what a dead iPhone on wheels
Helpful. To be fair...my Ford Explorer struggles in the winter too. I'm guessing nobody wants to watch a video of that, however.
If you lend me your Ford Explorer during the winter time, I will make a video about it 🥶🥶🥶
@@lakemaker Deal! But I suspect the Ford video won't get nearly as many views as any Tesla video.
you never know!
WOW! Sounds like you should have done your research before buying a battery-powered vehicle. heater is 6KW, you plugged into a 1KW outlet....SHM
????
@@lakemaker meaning, you plugged into an outlet that provides less power than the heater drains.....
I wonder if there are after-market caps to place on the charge plug?
not sure
A sock or a plastic bag would do it.
I seem to only lose 20 percent max in my 2018 model 3 but do level 2 or nema plug to charge with preconditioning the car itself and have my seats and heat ready.
good to know
Will a Tesla do ok in the NYC area?
NYC is not as cold as Montreal. I am sure it would do better.
Maybe swap it out for the model y juniper with us supposed to lessen the impact of cold weather by a decent amount
🥶🥶🥶🥶
how this car can be that expansif and have so many problems. Every Tesla owner with who i talk had problem with their Tesla. My Model 3 is supose to arrive in november. Im wondering if i should cancel my order.
Do you have cold winters in your city?
@@lakemaker yes, but i received the car not in the winter time. Now i order a jeep, can't wait to exchange it with my tesla. I think some people dislike Tesla even if they didnt try it. And some people will defend Tesla whatever the number of problem. the problem i founds its that today people think respond too much from their ego, from their emotion. It's hard today to have an objectif point of view.
Has the Canadian authorities' investigation into these models already been completed?
Thank you
BCN
BCN
no idea
Hi Lakemaker, look on the bright side, once bitten twice shy. At least you didn't get caught out in this latest frozen battery fiasco we are watching unfold just now. You reached nearly 70,000 views with this upload and I hope they remember you as they watch the news.
Maybe I will get a million views 😎
@@lakemaker So, for you it is all about the views and nothing else, who would have thunk it? rofl
Hmm.. in Sápmi we have up to -50c, cant see these problems with model S or model 3. Expect that the range are lower and the windows are frozen and stuck (dont think they crack doh).. the charging cable function good in -45 celsius..
Do you live in Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Russia?
@@lakemaker northern norway , Karášjohka and in Romsa / Tromsø. Travel alot in cold weather in northern sweden/finland (relatives) and to east- Finnmark (my homeplace). Tesla is a good winter car with the exception of frameless windows and the heat pump issue of model 3 ans y....by my experience at least. Will Recommend it for those living in the North 🙂 dont know about X and the falcon doors. My friends who own one say it is important to pre heat so the front door will open. Other than that I hear it is also a good winter car.
@@kamuflars86 Thank you for all of the extra info!!! Hope you enjoy my other videos, even if they are not all TESLA related 😎
Drive in a winter on a highway ...the probability of seeing a Tesla run off or a crash is very high
why do you say that?
@@lakemaker I drew across oregon and Nevada in the snow to Salt Lake city this Christmas..I was astonished to see so many Tesla cars struggling in snow and pulled off the road....the families were struggling with the kids.... atleast 2 Tesla cars with CA plates run off the road on the way to Bend. Its not a winter car.
dammmm
@@kalyantr7I'm neutral on the topic but there are a lot factors. How were their tires, did they have winter tires or chains (where required) were they RWD or AWD. Had they ever driven in snow ?
@@garywozniak7742 I agree there are many factors, but the number of Teslas I saw pulled out on the shoulders were far higher than any other car brands. I don't know the reason, but thatz an observation
I live in Canada as well and his is like the main reason i will not go full electric, if i was you i would sell it and just buy a hybrid. Electric is just not ready for cold weather, they’re not worth all the hassle.
It is not for everyone, that's for sure.
Oh dang, it’s dumb for mounting the wall charger in the open in that extreme weather, they just wait for issues to be happened & whines
if you say so
I live in Western Canada and there is no way I will go for a BEV. I may start with PHEV when its battery range reaches 100-120KM. That will be good enough to cover my trips and will give me option to use Gasoline if my battery tanks.
How cold it gets there 🥶🥶🥶
@@lakemaker Depending on which city you live in, -25 C to -35 C can last for weeks, in some cases over a month, before getting a break. A couple of times during winter it will fall below -40 C too, especially during night time.
In the winter I make sure to always plug my car at night, and set the car battery to 80%
How was the heat working in your family chalet?
Natural Gas and a wood burning fireplace
Very thorough and helpful for us Tesla nubes.
Glad it was helpful!
Good lord, I would have been so frustrated by so many problems and sold the car.
Good thing I am leasing the car. But I still love my Tesla model Y. Can't wait to drive a Cybertruck!
Have they even cold tested the cars during prototype stage??
I am sure they did
Im relocating to Montreal next year...was going to purchase Y but....😮😢
welcome to Montreal next year
@@lakemaker I heard that it snows a lot there...which car do you recommend? (Total budget below U$60k)
Bro the cold doesn't affect it.. I live in the DC area and we have cold temps in the winter that are single digits plus wind chills below zero and nobody here has doors sticking or frunks not opening. The DMV area owns lots of Teslas.
Quebec gets way colder than DC
@lakemaker Years ago I had to take a number of business trips from Massachusetts to Bromont. We are used to cold, maybe single negative digits in New England, but not double digits. We had -19 temps on one trip. "Freeze your nose hairs" cold.
did you ski at Bromont?
@@lakemaker regrettably no
.
What is the spec'd range of the battery in your X ?
I have a Y. Tesla lent me an X
To be fair, at those temperatures you'll have issues with most cars. Like any new tech, first versions are always the most challenging.
good point
To be fair, car infotainment screens and heat always stop working when it's cold😅
Well duh! I'm surprised if you have been living in these kind of conditions of a colder environment what makes you think that it wouldn't be this way! But thanks for the video. 😇
hope you enjoy my other videos!
14:16 This is quite concerning. At what temperature do you start feeling the cold seeping in from the floor? Is it around -5°C or -10°C? I took a Tesla Model 3 for a test drive when it was -6°C and didn't experience that issue. However, I did feel some chill coming from the glass roof overhead, and the rear headrest always seemed to be cold
still having issues?
Would never get an electric car with the current technology living in Minnesota where the temps can get quite a bit lower than this video in January and February. I see people with these cars still.
What do you drive now?
@@lakemaker 2014 Buick lacrosse. Wife has a 2017 Hyundai Tuscon AWD. We bought the Buick when it was only a year old and the Tuscon new. I keep them well maintained and they are in a heated garage. It’s nice to have the AWD when the snow gets bad and the lacrosse gives a very comfortable drive with decent mpg and price wasn’t terrible.
NICE!!!!
With that Canada goose you don't need any heaters 😅
LOL still need heaters
Me, while driving my 23 year old gasoline car with the heater, windshield wipers, and headlights on: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
🔥🔥🔥
We sold our Plaid Model S. I miss the acceleration, and that is all I miss. Much happier in my 2024 Tundra TRD Pro.
Folks, just look at this video ... to do something as simple as turn on heated seats or HVAC, navigate a touch screen through multiple screens. My Tunrda? Just push the button ... done.
OK!
Get this, folks; if you have an IC engine and a full tank and, should you get stuck in the snow or ice and cannot move, your car will run its heater and lights for THREE DAYS AT AN IDLE>
Noted
They better have great service,because you have to get it touch with them 100 times more then a gas car.
Tesla actually has incredible service
Extreme cold,,, he he that is hot, we have -38 C and some are at -44 in Sweden these days.
-44 dammmmmmmmm
Great video man, thanks a bunch
Glad you liked it! Hope you enjoy my other videos 🙏🙏🙏
I'm not a Tesla hater - in fact I respect the company quite a bit for being REVOLUTIONARY.....But I have other friends with Teslas, and every single owner has had quality control issues with them. Tesla gotta bring up their quality control!
I love your channel ❤️🚗
If somebody gave me a Tesla free and clear I would turn around and sell it immediately. There is no way I would choose to own one, but if other people like them and are willing to accept the negative trade offs vs a gasoline car that is their business. I don't hate the Tesla cars, I just don't want one. What I DO hate is how our rulers plan to force me to own one eventually, on a bogus climate crisis pretext, and all the stupid gullible people who actually believe that fairy tale of electric cars "saving the planet".